Kinda what happens when the city he actually, really wanted, dicked around right up to the end. I honestly believe that even the A’s weren’t prepared for just how derelict the City would end up being. Vegas was always meant to be the fire under the feet, but even THAT couldn’t get Oakland to get its shit together. Even when everyone knew it had come down to just 2 sites, and the A’s said they would soon be able to put in bids, Oakland went ahead and scheduled a vote on the A’s terms sheet. But then they proceeded to change it to something they knew would be a no-go for the A’s, and voted ‘yes’ on that. Games right up to the end.
The reason he probably go sac is the television deals and that theirs a fan base their while Vegas is mostly a dodgers town and they probably wouldn’t care being that Vegas is a transient town and people come and go mostly for the casinos. It’s also a summer game and Vegas is hot in the summer. The best move is the A’s in sac and build or remodel sutter field.
I was under the impression one of the reasons there are so many Vegas doubts is because the power players aren't lining up to take this project across the finish line.
That is a false statement by someone trying to get attention. The resort/casino CEOs have expressed positive support along with the major powerful unions, and political leaders from both parties.
Just at admit that the As are probably moving to Las Vegas. I know it’s disappointing but that’s life. Hopefully the Oakland Ballers are a success and will be a part of the Oakland community for many years to come.
@@ProBall-7There is no need to say that someone is looking for attention just because someone said something that is factually wrong or incorrect. That is really uncalled for in my eyes. Just be a little bit more respectful when setting the facts straight. The person might not of actually know all of the details and facts about what was going on. This is a very long and complicated process and it’s not easy for most people to have a great grasp of what is actually going on. At the end of the day, you can correct somebody without calling their Integrity or motives into question.
@@Tvsnumber1fan I generally agree with your points, but in this case I know who is spreading specific "facts" that he should know are not true. Knowing that as well as the general context, I think my points are accurate. I did not want to name the person. After seeing what he said, I also checked with someone else knowledgable in LV who supported my point. (Just to be clear I was not referring to the OP or anyone else in the thread.)
The one thing I can an say about other Las Vegas developers jumping at the chance to help the A's develop this ballpark is that development in Las Vegas always comes to a halt during economic downturn. This is one thing that I felt would happen with Bally's as they were junior developers. From 2009 to 2021 there were no developments completed. The 2 developments completed in 2009 (City Center and Cosmopolitan had their own issues). The Cosmos owner went bankrupt and the resort was run by its lender for several years and City Center had 2 fewer buildings than proposed and the towers that were completed opened with several floors a complete blank slate. 2 projects never started (the Frontier and Exhelon Place) and the Fontainebleau took 2 decades to complete. There is also a tower at the Venetian that still has not been completed and is tarped off. We are in another economic downturn with lending and cost up. Also MGM and Caesars are focusing more of their funds on online gaming. It is possible they could develop, but if history repeats the timing isn't right for the A's.
Here's my take, Casey. Yep. MGM is the overlord of The Strip. They will inherit that Tropicana property for pennies on the dollar, but only after a decade in bankruptcy court. If MGM wanted MLB, then I am absolutely sure they would prefer an expansion team, and it would be a lock that they would get it. But you have to look at it in terms of Strip Economics. Baseball is an "attraction", and certainly a feather in MGM's cap if they want it. But it's a money loser on The Strip. Unless there is a slot machine at every seat in the ballpark (and that would get all kinds of backdraft) it is an absolute money sump for Strip real estate, where land value is based on gaming potential. If MGM were to pursue baseball, it makes more sense for them - as it does for anybody - to move it out to the Wild, Wild West site - off Strip. They would expand the people mover system across the 15, and build up a bunch of lower value attractions over there. What? They have an arena inside the MGM itself? Yes, they do! Why, I'm happy that you brought that up!... 😃...That arena brings in professional top card boxing, MMA, A-list entertainers, and at hundreds, if not thousands of dollars a ticket. With a much smaller footprint than Jiffy Pop Ballpark, the Great Siopao, or whatever they're calling it. Strip casinos are looking for a return of $898 per square foot of floorspace*...Ain't no way in hell even a World Series team competes with those returns...Any MLB team in Vegas only works off Strip. Whether it's the economics, or the fact the Las Vegas residents HATE The Strip (and I was one of 'em)...To conclude, yep, MGM may very well want MLB in their neighborhood, but I'm of the opinion that they will kick the rusty can that is the John Fisher A's back down the road, and start the project from the ground up - ironically in the first place JFish planted his flag in Las Vegas... * - scholarworks.umass.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1042&context=jhfm
Familiar with the source you cited and it does not back your premise about MLB only successful off the strip. VGK is one counterexample and economists with the major business also believe it will be successful. Also the fact that locals hate the strip is easily disproven every day. Again, attendees at T-Mobile disproves that daily.
@@ProBall-7 T-Mobile doesn't disprove anything. You're comparing apples to cumquats. T-Mobile fits nicely into the venue scheme for MGM, as an overload facility for its featured acts. A baseball stadium with its echoes and other weird acoustics, doesn't - even in that Sydney Opera House knockoff configuration. And I will say it again - it takes up too much room!...The study you say doesn't "back (my) premise about MLB" didn't even address MLB. It's only a cite as a marker for what the revenue expectations are on The Strip, which MLB will definitely not provide, or even close...What is it with you guys? I'm telling you how baseball can work in Vegas, and you're like "Nah! You're wrong! We're Vegas! We can do anything! We're world beaters!" Even in Las Vegas simple economics apply, my friend...To wit, a 9 acre stadium doesn't work. Expand the stadium, you eat into casino revenue. The taxable value of the Tropicana Las Vegas is (or was before demolition) $412 million. The assessed value was $144 million*. A baseball stadium on that property would have a hard time paying the yearly property taxes, let alone the construction note...Do you live in Las Vegas? T-Mobile is quite a walk down Tropicana from The Strip - far enough away from the dehydrated, sunburned, puking, bellicose drunks that it is walkable from across the west side of the freeway. That makes a big difference. Las Vegans hate tourists. They won't tell you that because it's not de rigeur. But to go wallow in that misery off the clock is not something they will do, especially for an A's game... You like citations, so I included this one from the office of the lovely Briana Johnson, Clark County Assessor: *maps.clarkcountynv.gov/assessor/AssessorParcelDetail/parceldetail.aspx?hdnParcel=16228112001&hdnInstance=pcl7
@@bartphlegar8212 Of course what you cited did not address MLB. Thought you included it to try and give some credibility to your point. Fact is T-Mobile is totally relevant. I live in the LV area. I guess you said you were here some time ago. But you clearly don't know what you're talking about. T-Mobile is a short block off the Strip. Your comment about locals hating tourists is totally absurd. Tourism is an important part of out business and if you saw the attitudes after the 1 Oct tragedy when tourists were killed, you would never make such an ignorant remark. Shame. Also totally ignorant about 9 acres.
@@ProBall-7 A short block?? T-Mobile is a quarter mile (very hot) walk from The Strip! I've been there buddy! And more importantly, it's a world away. New York, New York is one of the quieter casinos, and the arena is insulated by a wall of parking decks. Furthermore, if you put a ped bridge across the freeway, as was planned, it's closer to Wild, Wild West than it is The Strip...I'm not going to stoop to your level and say that you don't know what you're talking about. But I'll bet that if I asked ten of your neighbors at least 65% would cop to hating The Strip...As for your Route 91 massacre remark, the shame should be on you yourself for your wild extrapolation that I insinuated that Las Vegas residents are cold, heartless bastards, when I said nothing of the sort. Many Las Vegans work in casinos where they take endless condescension and abuse from tourists (kinda like you're aiming at me) and they don't want to socialize with tourists off hours. And I don't blame them. I once heard a native Las Vegan (imagine that) describe The Strip as a modern version of a stockyard. We make a lot of money there, and we get a lot of great steaks out of there, but man does it stink!...Wise guy...
@@bartphlegar8212 You tried to say locals don't go to the Strip by citing the distance to walk from T-Mobile to the Strip. That is not relevant. Locals will go the the ballpark to the same extent they go to T-Mobile. Walking between the 2 is not relevant. Enough locals go to T-Mobile and enough will go to the ballpark.
Why would Vegas bend over backwards to get in bed with Fischer ??? Fischer is prolly the worst owner is sports. I expect Sacramento to be the leading candidate simply because they have a massive excitement for pro sports- I mean they adopted the NBA Kings after they crashed and burned in K.C. And you can expect them to have the same attitude of excitement with the crash and burn Athletics.
@@Savethepeople2004 Vegas wants sports in their community and im not talking about the common citizen, Higher Class people can benefit from this relocation MGM is going to jump on this winning train for them for economic purposes….It’s why school over stadiums failed the first time and it will fail again
@@togoandmoss MLB owners simply approved Oakland's proposal to move team- this is entirely different than owners voting to move Athletics. Did anybody go to high school here ???
It's nearly comical when I hear all the Bay Area pundits saying the public in Las Vegas doesn't want the A's. I live in Vegas and talk to the public virtually every day and I can tell you the baseball fans in Las Vegas are ecstatic that the A's are coming here.
Agree that people do want baseball and the A's. Except for a few of us who watch some of these videos, the great majority of people don't care what they say in the Bay Area. There's one "little lady" in Colorado who considers herself an expert on Las Vegas attitudes. Her musings are funny.
@@ProBall-7I think every person that wants the A’s in Vegas watches these videos and comments. So when you add all of you up it comes to about 2 dozen.
@@markbennett1210 Think what you want to think, but I know of at least 2 groups specifically for A's fans in LV and both groups have over 1,000 members. Some more with numbers in the hundreds. The great majority of posts in these groups are positive on the A's relocation. A few sometimes post links to these kinds of videos, mostly to critique.
@@ProBall-71000 members isnt a large number in the grand scheme of things. I have a lot of ties to Vegas and my spider sense tells me this isn’t going to be all roses the way the As would have you believe. A leopard never changes his spots, and I have a feeling that he As spend no money on their team in Vegas. Also a lot of other MLB teams have nice ballparks and don’t spend or draw well, such as Pittsburgh and Miami.
I wonder if MGM would flat out buy the A’s and then stabilize them for the first couple years in Las Vegas, then they sell to an actual LV owner that isn’t a gambling business’ consortium I also believe that it’s Vegas, even though that percentage for me has shrunk from a 75% to about a 60%
What if the As move to vegas, would there be a possible chance that san jose break free of the territorial rights to the giants and get an expansion team in the south bay?
Yeah, I mean even after Vital Vegas' recent posts and his chat with Alex and Hal on the Ricky Blog, I still have to assume Vegas is the most likely destination - for now. Even still, we haven't seen anyone significant whos willing to partner up with John Fisher on this thing, and Im not sure if the big hat wearers in Vegas are willing to pony up the cash to pay for this thing with only a minority stake in a team with a very speculative current valuation. If what Vital Vegas says is true, and the big players in Vegas see the A's as completely out of touch and un-serious, then we might actually see him fail over there. The only way Fisher gets that stadium built in time for 2028 opening day is if the A's hit a lot of metaphorical home runs in the next year, and I just dont see that happening with all the doubt and weird speculation we are seeing right now... If Fisher relents and sells a large stake in the team for a lot less than he wants, then its more likely but as it is right now, the dude isn't making much contact with the heavy hitters in Vegas to get this thing moving. The fact that we are even at 70% for Vegas right now after all the 100% surefire guarantees we have seen? Its going to continue cascading doubt.
It's not whether or not he has money to build a stadium himself, it's how many billions the city of Oakland wants to allow you to do it. They said they wanted $97billion to pay off debt when they offered the A's a 5 year deal before they announced they were moving to Sacramento.
I just have a feeling that Sacramento is the final destination. Why trademark Sacramento A’s but not the name you plan on using, supposedly, for decades to come?
A's will end up in either Vegas or Sac. If a new Vegas ballpark falls through, Vivek and Fisher will work together to build an MLB ballpark in Sac and the A's will just stay there.
Yes, two pieces of vile slime running an MLB franchise. That's what we need. Those two have no business running an MLB team. Nothing will improve unless Fisher is gone.
Vegas will fall thru and Fisher will sell part of the team to Vivek(who got a downtown arena for the Kings built to stay in Sac obviously) and build a state of the art stadium along the railroad area down there...
Someone should buy the team here and then put an expansion team in Las Vegas do what they’re doing in Phoenix coyotes are being sold going to Utah and the NHL will put a team back in Phoenix expansion team. This would just be the other way around. Keep athletics Oakland and then work on your expansion team in Vegas you got nothing with time, just my thoughts
Nevada residents, taxpayers do NOT want the A's and they will fight tooth and nail to stop John Fisher from using their tax dollars to fund his stadium. Politicians are going to lose their jobs over this if the move happens. They don't want to fund another billionaire with dreams of a stadium on the Strip. I continue to pray for the A's and their fans that their team stays in California and if that means Sacramento, so be it!
You have been following this for quite some time…. You know the tax district principles, taxpayers don’t pay for the stadium….. continuing to say things like that undermine your credibility.
@@togoandmoss She has no credibility. Apparently she moved away many years ago and now lives in Colorado but continues to spew things she knows nothing about.
Sports leagues these days DEMAND new stadiums while simultaneously being ok with minor league and college venues being used for MULTIPLE FULL SEASONS yeah okay 👍
He is a clown… in an interview where he claimed to have the inside scoop he got nearly every fact wrong about the stadium, team and general sports knowledge.
Fischer is clearly playing 4D chess. He says Oakland cant suoport an MLB team while simultaneously NOT adopting Sacramento Athletics moniker to KEEP Oakland fans. Kaval Wan Cheapskate Kenobi taught him well. I would prolly drug test Fischer tho.
I have never in my life seen so many All Star and World Series level talent unsigned and available: Brandon Belt, Kim Ng, Trevor Bauer, Evan Longoria, Donovan Solano, Brian Sabean, JD Davis (Oakland) THIS SPORT IS A MASSIVE JOKE
I think it’s high time for individuals like Joe Lacob, Reggie Jackson and the groups The Last Dive Bar and the Oakland68s to get together and start a group like Salt Lake City has done in order to get an expansion franchise . That might be the only way Oakland has at ever having an MLB team again and even the odds of that are not that great. I see the odds of the As moving to Las Vegas at 60/40. Schools before Stadiums has almost no time to get anything on the ballot for November if they succeed in the Nevada Supreme Court and that’s nowhere near guaranteed. And, if it does make it to the ballot in November it might still pass for all shorts of reasons. Plus like Casey said MGM really supports this and will do anything to get this done. Also, many of the politicians of both parties in Carson City support this as well. So the As have a good chance of being in Las Vegas in the next 5-8 years. I am so sorry to be a downer but the As have a decent chance of moving to Las Vegas. So if you live in Oakland go and support the Oakland Ballers if you feel that’s the right decision for you. That is the only baseball you may have for a very long time in Oakland after this year unless you want to support the Giants but that is entirely up to to. I cannot tell anyone what to do because this is a very personal decision and everyone will handle and process what is going on and the emotions of the news differently. I entirely understand that. I hope that everyone has a great evening under the circumstances.
Schools before Stadiums is already using a backup petition, and if its on the ballot it will probably pass, they have some of the worst schools in the country and people dont want to waste money on a Stadium for a billionaire. Also, for reference Kansas City voters voted down a ballot measure that would continue a sales tax that is in place for the Chiefs and Royals, if a super bowl winning team who won the last 2 of 3 super bowls cant succeed in getting votes to continue a sales tax they are used to paying, why would Nevada residents vote to give millions to the worst team in baseball?
@@dogguy8603Schools over Stadiums is a scam for personal gain… the reason they will get kicked out of court again is the lie that this stadium is taking money away from residents (it’s a tax district- not a tax on votes) and schools ( no money is diverted from schools). It’s a personal revenge movement coming from Oakland politics…. Makes me angry they are taking money from people in Oakland for their scam.
If A’s do leave for Vegas, San Jose and Oakland should put serious bids for expansion! Owners bidding for expansion will be rich and smart! San Jose is a very lucrative market and MLB can overturn Giants territory rights if they want! The expansion fee would be high
Unfortunately, I see Fisher selling stakes in the ballpark and A's to finance it. The ballpark he will probably get a 100 million dollar naming agreement. Additionally the fancy suites will probably get him a few hundred million more. He has a few hundred million from the taxpayers and will probably sell a partial stake in the A's probably to casinos for a few hundred million. The rest he will finance. I think it boils down to he feels like he can sell more luxury suites in Vegas because that's where the money for these greedy owners is found.
cant really sell stakes in the ballpark as the ballpark is already due to be county owned by the end of it all as thats how he's getting public dollars going towards it.. he's gotta sell a heavy stake in the team, and nobody yet seems really willing to get in bed with him on that yet as they dont really take him as a legitimate player with a solid plan... Gaming industry people can smell bullshit even if its not bullshit... and John Fisher is full of shit.
Bally’s will sell that site ..Those renderings were all bullshit to buy time , who builds a stadium with a glass wall that will have the players looking directly into the setting sun ? ..Once Fisher has secured the funding real renderings will start to appear..If schools over stadiums falls flat again by the Nevada Supreme Court nothing can stop the move line it or not ..MLB wants baseball in Las Vegas ..they told Nevada over a year ago it’s the A’s or nobody ..Las Vegas would be better with nobody than Fisher and the A’s ..Las Vegas wants expansion not the A’s but they are being given no choice in the matter .
What were they thinking moving to Vegas where betting on ANYTHING is legal, including sport's where the player's are going to live? As far as the A's are concerned, they should just stay in Cali. Half or more of the fan base is in Sacramento anyway. Still close to the Bay Area and Sacramento is a great sports venue. Screw Vegas. It's an overpriced shithole anyway. AND much safer for fans.
Dude, that's what they want. That's what Casey and every other baseball and A's fan is completely clueless on, for whatever reason: they want a team there because they've embraced the (corrupt) money if gambling. It's not really that hard to see what this is about. Maybe they don't want to acknowledge it because they're into sports gambling themselves, but it's pretty darn obvious. Look at the Raiders..and even the Golden Knights.
Northern California is a massively stronger market than Vegas. That is undeniable. Of course the Philadelphia Athletics of NorCal are gonna need to build a new ballpark- which would likely cost well over a billion Robert Deniros. My idea is to spend approx. $500-$800 and renovate the Oakland Coliseum. I know that sounds far-fetched but I guarantee the city of Oakland would welcome them back with open arms if the team really put their all into a Coliseum renovation that established the ballpark as a national historic monument that would exist for generations.
The whole 'Schools Over Stadiums' initiative will crash and burn. It won't even hit the ballot. The President of the NV Education Association & 'Schools Over Stadium' head, Dawn Etcheverry, did a longform interview with KTVN Channel 2 in Reno back in December and couldn't back up her claims that the money used for the stadium project is coming from education. KTVN reporter Arianna Bennett repeatedly asked her about that... and Etcheverry was clueless. Etcheverry conveniently overlooks the fact that the NV state legislature's plan is to sell bonds and institute tax breaks to cover part of the cost of the ballpark and that no money (from education or otherwise) from the NV state budget will go to new stadium funding. I'd post KTVN's website link here to the interview with her, but TH-cam would probably delete my post because of the link. Right now I'd say there's an 80 percent chance of the A's ending up in Vegas. I think the other 20 percent hinges on Fisher and the other players involved getting their act together.
If Vegas happens, isn't Salt Lake City pretty much a given? Do you really see the MLB turnings down $900 million in corporate welfare money? Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't that be a record amount of public dollars?
Vegas is confident and isn’t sweating the process , it is people from Northern California falling for the bs. Why would MLB wants to move to Sacramento is ridiculous. I don’t know anyone in the world that want to plan a vacation to California that save money to plan a trip to sac . A’s move to Vegas will double the A’s worth. That isn’t happening in Sac. People of Sac getting a big head . MLB isn’t expanding there period . Just be a good host and stop building your hopes to high .
I actually don’t think it’s a terrible idea . The A’s and MLB took out Oakland(an awful city). Sacramento already has the nba so mlb would be a natural good 2nd sport.
Las Vegas will get the Expansion franchise. Sacramento will keep the A’s. And will build a new stadium in the Railyards adjacent to downtown or have a major expansion to the West Sacramento stadium. Oakland will have a shell of a sports complex to demolish, and will never have Major League Sports ever again. The Giants will have the Bay Area as their sole Market for MLB. That’s the reality. Continuing to whine gets one nowhere. Move on with life. And enjoy the Giants. They are your local team now. They are only a few minutes drive away, you just have to avoid the protestors and sideshows blocking the bridge.
@@markbennett1210 Was giving you a local option. Otherwise, you can come to Sacramento and still be an A's fan, albeit a 90 mile drive away. Or worse case, you can follow the team from a more extreme distance, if the Vegas move actually comes to fruition. What would you choose? There is no longer an option for them staying in Oakland/ Bay Area. That ship has sailed.
@@ivandragomiloff2356I’ll be an A’s fan for the rest of this year for sure. If they move temporarily to Sac I might still pay attention and catch a game on TV if that’s an option. If they stay there I will be more of a casual fan and pay some attention. If fisher sells the team it would be more palatable to be a fan. If they move to Vegas I’ll be done with MLB completely
@@markbennett1210 I definitely can understand. Maybe our passion for a team and sports can be turned into a positive direction. More passion to solve the problems this state, country, and world are facing. We put so much emphasis and passion on a game, and yet turn on the news and you will see a grim reality. World War 3 starting, and contested ugly election in a few months, crime and inflation increasing, the state 70 plus billion in the hole, the country 36 trillion in the hole, a predicted economic downturn that will make 2008 seem like good times, gas closing in on 6 dollars, people so far in credit card debt, and more crazy protests coming…sports is the escape from all this, but I’m afraid not for much longer. It will be a distant memory to what lays ahead. Guess we should enjoy it while we can before it SHT-Fan.
Does Zennie62 have to correct you again on your baseless claims the A's won't move to Las Vegas, with a new ballpark built? Dude, you're reaching and need to give up.
@CrankyStew this fool loves to spill nonsense and uses sarcasm to downplay the A's actually moving to L.V. He's a smug like you. Speaking of "smoking" what do you be 'smoking' on kiddo? 🤔😂
@@cg5968 if you know if he's telling the truth of Oakland officials failing to someway help the A's stay in town, he wouldn't go off on them, including the A's fans for not taking direct shots at their own officials, in addition to John Fisher and Dave Kaval taking the brunt of the heat.
Generally agree with a few caveats: 1) I think your assessment about the Bally’s situation is reasonable. GLPI and MGM are very enthusiastic. MGM CEO recently made positive comments. GLPI funding the demo and has indicated interest in increasing their investment. Both GLPI and MGM are financially healthy. 2) Schools Over Stadiums will not be a factor. First, the desire for a public option is from MLB. It could be a factor in expansion or relocation decisions, but even if it went away, MLB would not pull the plug. Second, the $380M is a relatively small component. Third, the challenge of getting signatures and verifying them in a short time is considerable. Fourth, the recent poll is not indicative of how a ballot measure would go. The poll question implied the general public would pay, which is not the case, and that would be clarified. 3) Dave Kaval told Fox40 in Sacramento that the funding is in place. Even if you don’t believe him, the funding will be documented in the Development Plan, the draft expected at the Stadium Authority May meeting. The fact that the funding has not been made public at this point is irrelevant.
It’s a problem when the public doesn’t know the other investments being made. If it was private then it doesn’t matter. This isn’t just private so it needs to be detailed and available to the public. Pretty simple and easy to understand if you’re not a biff tanner. The other “points” made are feeling feelings fact except for the obvious mgm has money lol. My guess is lots of bad press is hurting fishers image. Could impact business relationships. The vote matters more than you care to admit and the public is very much against it in Vegas. Vegas ran polls tell us this. We see the news reports. All around this is bad for ball and a bad way for Vegas to get a team.
@@stefanbrown5872 The public will know when the Development Plan is released. Stadium Authority CEO said schedule consistent with projects of this size, especially compared to Allegiant. Any clamor for an earlier release of funding is not coming from the public in Nevada. The bad press is not in Nevada. The bad press in the Bay Area is not a factor here. Mostly not noticed by the public, and those who do pay attention to Bay Area press are familiar with the situation there. The poll indicated more oppose everyone paying. If it became a ballot issue, the points that only tax is paid by stadium attendees and transactions within the district would be important. As is the benefit to the economy. The stadium supporters have much more funds than the PAC supporters and if needed, advertisements would get those points out.
@@stefanbrown5872 Will be public in the Development Plan. Clamor for earlier release not coming from Nevada public. Bad press in Bay Area, not in Nevada. Poll question not accurate reflection of SB1. SB1 supporters have resources and would get that clarified, as well as economic benefits.
Fisher is jumping into bed with whoever opens up the bedroom door. First LV, now Sac. Both those cities are gonna end up with crabs.
Sacramento Crabs? Sounds about right
While Oakland will be left with hoodlums, run down strip malls and sleazy motels.
Sacramento or LV, who "sleeps with the Fishes" (sic)?
Kinda what happens when the city he actually, really wanted, dicked around right up to the end. I honestly believe that even the A’s weren’t prepared for just how derelict the City would end up being. Vegas was always meant to be the fire under the feet, but even THAT couldn’t get Oakland to get its shit together.
Even when everyone knew it had come down to just 2 sites, and the A’s said they would soon be able to put in bids, Oakland went ahead and scheduled a vote on the A’s terms sheet. But then they proceeded to change it to something they knew would be a no-go for the A’s, and voted ‘yes’ on that. Games right up to the end.
You lost me at Fischer having sexual relations
The reason he probably go sac is the television deals and that theirs a fan base their while Vegas is mostly a dodgers town and they probably wouldn’t care being that Vegas is a transient town and people come and go mostly for the casinos. It’s also a summer game and Vegas is hot in the summer. The best move is the A’s in sac and build or remodel sutter field.
I was under the impression one of the reasons there are so many Vegas doubts is because the power players aren't lining up to take this project across the finish line.
That is a false statement by someone trying to get attention. The resort/casino CEOs have expressed positive support along with the major powerful unions, and political leaders from both parties.
Just at admit that the As are probably moving to Las Vegas. I know it’s disappointing but that’s life. Hopefully the Oakland Ballers are a success and will be a part of the Oakland community for many years to come.
@@ProBall-7There is no need to say that someone is looking for attention just because someone said something that is factually wrong or incorrect. That is really uncalled for in my eyes. Just be a little bit more respectful when setting the facts straight. The person might not of actually know all of the details and facts about what was going on. This is a very long and complicated process and it’s not easy for most people to have a great grasp of what is actually going on. At the end of the day, you can correct somebody without calling their Integrity or motives into question.
@@Tvsnumber1fan I generally agree with your points, but in this case I know who is spreading specific "facts" that he should know are not true. Knowing that as well as the general context, I think my points are accurate. I did not want to name the person. After seeing what he said, I also checked with someone else knowledgable in LV who supported my point. (Just to be clear I was not referring to the OP or anyone else in the thread.)
I could give a damn about some semi pro team. I want MY team - The OAKLAND A's
The one thing I can an say about other Las Vegas developers jumping at the chance to help the A's develop this ballpark is that development in Las Vegas always comes to a halt during economic downturn. This is one thing that I felt would happen with Bally's as they were junior developers. From 2009 to 2021 there were no developments completed. The 2 developments completed in 2009 (City Center and Cosmopolitan had their own issues). The Cosmos owner went bankrupt and the resort was run by its lender for several years and City Center had 2 fewer buildings than proposed and the towers that were completed opened with several floors a complete blank slate. 2 projects never started (the Frontier and Exhelon Place) and the Fontainebleau took 2 decades to complete. There is also a tower at the Venetian that still has not been completed and is tarped off. We are in another economic downturn with lending and cost up. Also MGM and Caesars are focusing more of their funds on online gaming. It is possible they could develop, but if history repeats the timing isn't right for the A's.
Lacob and Reggie Jackson could combine and purchase the A's while Fisher gots a expansion team in Vegas...
Love the Fieldwork Brewery shirt!!
Here's my take, Casey. Yep. MGM is the overlord of The Strip. They will inherit that Tropicana property for pennies on the dollar, but only after a decade in bankruptcy court. If MGM wanted MLB, then I am absolutely sure they would prefer an expansion team, and it would be a lock that they would get it. But you have to look at it in terms of Strip Economics. Baseball is an "attraction", and certainly a feather in MGM's cap if they want it. But it's a money loser on The Strip. Unless there is a slot machine at every seat in the ballpark (and that would get all kinds of backdraft) it is an absolute money sump for Strip real estate, where land value is based on gaming potential. If MGM were to pursue baseball, it makes more sense for them - as it does for anybody - to move it out to the Wild, Wild West site - off Strip. They would expand the people mover system across the 15, and build up a bunch of lower value attractions over there. What? They have an arena inside the MGM itself? Yes, they do! Why, I'm happy that you brought that up!... 😃...That arena brings in professional top card boxing, MMA, A-list entertainers, and at hundreds, if not thousands of dollars a ticket. With a much smaller footprint than Jiffy Pop Ballpark, the Great Siopao, or whatever they're calling it. Strip casinos are looking for a return of $898 per square foot of floorspace*...Ain't no way in hell even a World Series team competes with those returns...Any MLB team in Vegas only works off Strip. Whether it's the economics, or the fact the Las Vegas residents HATE The Strip (and I was one of 'em)...To conclude, yep, MGM may very well want MLB in their neighborhood, but I'm of the opinion that they will kick the rusty can that is the John Fisher A's back down the road, and start the project from the ground up - ironically in the first place JFish planted his flag in Las Vegas...
* - scholarworks.umass.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1042&context=jhfm
Familiar with the source you cited and it does not back your premise about MLB only successful off the strip. VGK is one counterexample and economists with the major business also believe it will be successful. Also the fact that locals hate the strip is easily disproven every day. Again, attendees at T-Mobile disproves that daily.
@@ProBall-7 T-Mobile doesn't disprove anything. You're comparing apples to cumquats. T-Mobile fits nicely into the venue scheme for MGM, as an overload facility for its featured acts. A baseball stadium with its echoes and other weird acoustics, doesn't - even in that Sydney Opera House knockoff configuration. And I will say it again - it takes up too much room!...The study you say doesn't "back (my) premise about MLB" didn't even address MLB. It's only a cite as a marker for what the revenue expectations are on The Strip, which MLB will definitely not provide, or even close...What is it with you guys? I'm telling you how baseball can work in Vegas, and you're like "Nah! You're wrong! We're Vegas! We can do anything! We're world beaters!" Even in Las Vegas simple economics apply, my friend...To wit, a 9 acre stadium doesn't work. Expand the stadium, you eat into casino revenue. The taxable value of the Tropicana Las Vegas is (or was before demolition) $412 million. The assessed value was $144 million*. A baseball stadium on that property would have a hard time paying the yearly property taxes, let alone the construction note...Do you live in Las Vegas? T-Mobile is quite a walk down Tropicana from The Strip - far enough away from the dehydrated, sunburned, puking, bellicose drunks that it is walkable from across the west side of the freeway. That makes a big difference. Las Vegans hate tourists. They won't tell you that because it's not de rigeur. But to go wallow in that misery off the clock is not something they will do, especially for an A's game...
You like citations, so I included this one from the office of the lovely Briana Johnson, Clark County Assessor:
*maps.clarkcountynv.gov/assessor/AssessorParcelDetail/parceldetail.aspx?hdnParcel=16228112001&hdnInstance=pcl7
@@bartphlegar8212 Of course what you cited did not address MLB. Thought you included it to try and give some credibility to your point. Fact is T-Mobile is totally relevant. I live in the LV area. I guess you said you were here some time ago. But you clearly don't know what you're talking about. T-Mobile is a short block off the Strip. Your comment about locals hating tourists is totally absurd. Tourism is an important part of out business and if you saw the attitudes after the 1 Oct tragedy when tourists were killed, you would never make such an ignorant remark. Shame. Also totally ignorant about 9 acres.
@@ProBall-7 A short block?? T-Mobile is a quarter mile (very hot) walk from The Strip! I've been there buddy! And more importantly, it's a world away. New York, New York is one of the quieter casinos, and the arena is insulated by a wall of parking decks. Furthermore, if you put a ped bridge across the freeway, as was planned, it's closer to Wild, Wild West than it is The Strip...I'm not going to stoop to your level and say that you don't know what you're talking about. But I'll bet that if I asked ten of your neighbors at least 65% would cop to hating The Strip...As for your Route 91 massacre remark, the shame should be on you yourself for your wild extrapolation that I insinuated that Las Vegas residents are cold, heartless bastards, when I said nothing of the sort. Many Las Vegans work in casinos where they take endless condescension and abuse from tourists (kinda like you're aiming at me) and they don't want to socialize with tourists off hours. And I don't blame them. I once heard a native Las Vegan (imagine that) describe The Strip as a modern version of a stockyard. We make a lot of money there, and we get a lot of great steaks out of there, but man does it stink!...Wise guy...
@@bartphlegar8212 You tried to say locals don't go to the Strip by citing the distance to walk from T-Mobile to the Strip. That is not relevant. Locals will go the the ballpark to the same extent they go to T-Mobile. Walking between the 2 is not relevant. Enough locals go to T-Mobile and enough will go to the ballpark.
Thanks for always keeping it real Casey
Vegas will find a way to make this happen imo.
Why would Vegas bend over backwards to get in bed with Fischer ??? Fischer is prolly the worst owner is sports.
I expect Sacramento to be the leading candidate simply because they have a massive excitement for pro sports- I mean they adopted the NBA Kings after they crashed and burned in K.C. And you can expect them to have the same attitude of excitement with the crash and burn Athletics.
@@Savethepeople2004except that pesky unanimous vote from MLB.
@@Savethepeople2004 Vegas wants sports in their community and im not talking about the common citizen, Higher Class people can benefit from this relocation MGM is going to jump on this winning train for them for economic purposes….It’s why school over stadiums failed the first time and it will fail again
@@togoandmoss MLB owners simply approved Oakland's proposal to move team- this is entirely different than owners voting to move Athletics. Did anybody go to high school here ???
@@Savethepeople2004 The Las Vegas Athletics!! ha ha ha ha
If they don't go to Vegas, I think they end up staying in Oakland.
It's nearly comical when I hear all the Bay Area pundits saying the public in Las Vegas doesn't want the A's. I live in Vegas and talk to the public virtually every day and I can tell you the baseball fans in Las Vegas are ecstatic that the A's are coming here.
They might want baseball but definitely not the A’s. John Fisher doesn’t even like the A’s. Keep them in Oakland and sell the team.
Agree that people do want baseball and the A's. Except for a few of us who watch some of these videos, the great majority of people don't care what they say in the Bay Area. There's one "little lady" in Colorado who considers herself an expert on Las Vegas attitudes. Her musings are funny.
@@ProBall-7I think every person that wants the A’s in Vegas watches these videos and comments. So when you add all of you up it comes to about 2 dozen.
@@markbennett1210 Think what you want to think, but I know of at least 2 groups specifically for A's fans in LV and both groups have over 1,000 members. Some more with numbers in the hundreds. The great majority of posts in these groups are positive on the A's relocation. A few sometimes post links to these kinds of videos, mostly to critique.
@@ProBall-71000 members isnt a large number in the grand scheme of things. I have a lot of ties to Vegas and my spider sense tells me this isn’t going to be all roses the way the As would have you believe. A leopard never changes his spots, and I have a feeling that he As spend no money on their team in Vegas. Also a lot of other MLB teams have nice ballparks and don’t spend or draw well, such as Pittsburgh and Miami.
Fisher family is worth $7B. John has already committed $550M of his own funds. You dont think he can get a loan if needed?
I wonder if MGM would flat out buy the A’s and then stabilize them for the first couple years in Las Vegas, then they sell to an actual LV owner that isn’t a gambling business’ consortium
I also believe that it’s Vegas, even though that percentage for me has shrunk from a 75% to about a 60%
I don't think baseball rules currently allow a casino/betting group to own a baseball team.
What if the As move to vegas, would there be a possible chance that san jose break free of the territorial rights to the giants and get an expansion team in the south bay?
If Oakland can’t then San Jose would be great alternative
No. Oakland and San Jose will be considered part of the Giants territory.
Giants aren't giving up any bay area cities....
@@AK-qo6tx it’s not up to Giants! MLB makes decision
@@michaelmarkowski204 MLB can overturn Giants dumb territory rights to San Jose
Yeah, I mean even after Vital Vegas' recent posts and his chat with Alex and Hal on the Ricky Blog, I still have to assume Vegas is the most likely destination - for now.
Even still, we haven't seen anyone significant whos willing to partner up with John Fisher on this thing, and Im not sure if the big hat wearers in Vegas are willing to pony up the cash to pay for this thing with only a minority stake in a team with a very speculative current valuation. If what Vital Vegas says is true, and the big players in Vegas see the A's as completely out of touch and un-serious, then we might actually see him fail over there.
The only way Fisher gets that stadium built in time for 2028 opening day is if the A's hit a lot of metaphorical home runs in the next year, and I just dont see that happening with all the doubt and weird speculation we are seeing right now... If Fisher relents and sells a large stake in the team for a lot less than he wants, then its more likely but as it is right now, the dude isn't making much contact with the heavy hitters in Vegas to get this thing moving.
The fact that we are even at 70% for Vegas right now after all the 100% surefire guarantees we have seen? Its going to continue cascading doubt.
If Fisher doesn’t have a way to spend money on a new stadium he can #SellTheTeam.
If he sells the team, it will be in Vegas, sometime after the stadium is built.
It's not whether or not he has money to build a stadium himself, it's how many billions the city of Oakland wants to allow you to do it. They said they wanted $97billion to pay off debt when they offered the A's a 5 year deal before they announced they were moving to Sacramento.
@@rafa_v1.0 Million not Billion !
I just have a feeling that Sacramento is the final destination. Why trademark Sacramento A’s but not the name you plan on using, supposedly, for decades to come?
To prevent others from using it. They also trademarked Las Vegas A's.
A's will end up in either Vegas or Sac. If a new Vegas ballpark falls through, Vivek and Fisher will work together to build an MLB ballpark in Sac and the A's will just stay there.
Yes, two pieces of vile slime running an MLB franchise. That's what we need. Those two have no business running an MLB team. Nothing will improve unless Fisher is gone.
Vegas will fall thru and Fisher will sell part of the team to Vivek(who got a downtown arena for the Kings built to stay in Sac obviously) and build a state of the art stadium along the railroad area down there...
Someone should buy the team here and then put an expansion team in Las Vegas do what they’re doing in Phoenix coyotes are being sold going to Utah and the NHL will put a team back in Phoenix expansion team. This would just be the other way around. Keep athletics Oakland and then work on your expansion team in Vegas you got nothing with time, just my thoughts
Ok so Vivek is Puffy and and Fischer is Notorious B.I.G. ??? Or is Fischer Jermain Dupri and Vivek is Lil Bow Wow ????
I have a lot of questions
Nevada residents, taxpayers do NOT want the A's and they will fight tooth and nail to stop John Fisher from using their tax dollars to fund his stadium. Politicians are going to lose their jobs over this if the move happens. They don't want to fund another billionaire with dreams of a stadium on the Strip.
I continue to pray for the A's and their fans that their team stays in California and if that means Sacramento, so be it!
You have been following this for quite some time…. You know the tax district principles, taxpayers don’t pay for the stadium….. continuing to say things like that undermine your credibility.
@@togoandmoss She has no credibility. Apparently she moved away many years ago and now lives in Colorado but continues to spew things she knows nothing about.
Sports leagues these days DEMAND new stadiums while simultaneously being ok with minor league and college venues being used for MULTIPLE FULL SEASONS yeah okay 👍
1:07. You said it all.
Vital Vegas now claims only a 10% chance that the A’s move to Vegas.
He also said there would be a baseball stadium in Wheatland. So...😬
He is a clown… in an interview where he claimed to have the inside scoop he got nearly every fact wrong about the stadium, team and general sports knowledge.
The voters re going to kill the ballpark.
Fisher, will use tv money and sell half the Coliseum to Oakland
Fischer is clearly playing 4D chess. He says Oakland cant suoport an MLB team while simultaneously NOT adopting Sacramento Athletics moniker to KEEP Oakland fans. Kaval Wan Cheapskate Kenobi taught him well. I would prolly drug test Fischer tho.
Is it true the other teams have to approve the A's playing in Sac? Do we have any shot at this not happening?
I have never in my life seen so many All Star and World Series level talent unsigned and available: Brandon Belt, Kim Ng, Trevor Bauer, Evan Longoria, Donovan Solano, Brian Sabean, JD Davis (Oakland) THIS SPORT IS A MASSIVE JOKE
You forgot Yasiel Puig.
@@805fillmore good call. Puig has excellent defense to go along with a dangerous bat.
Thanks! It’s going to happen in Las Vegas ….. they are ahead of schedule.
I’d hold off on buying any A’s gear if I were you. At least until 2028. I’d also stay away from buying players jerseys
@@markbennett1210 I want to buy one of those signs with the hashtag # FisherOut!! They seem to have worked!!
Neither Las Vegas nor Sacramento can support the Athletics.
Its amost like being a MLB fan is an awful way to spend your life. What a humorous statement.
Or MGM doesn't want a stadium at all if they buy the land
Contract the A’s
Casey Pratt is officially a Vietnam vet at this point thank u for your service
I think it’s high time for individuals like Joe Lacob, Reggie Jackson and the groups The Last Dive Bar and the Oakland68s to get together and start a group like Salt Lake City has done in order to get an expansion franchise . That might be the only way Oakland has at ever having an MLB team again and even the odds of that are not that great. I see the odds of the As moving to Las Vegas at 60/40. Schools before Stadiums has almost no time to get anything on the ballot for November if they succeed in the Nevada Supreme Court and that’s nowhere near guaranteed. And, if it does make it to the ballot in November it might still pass for all shorts of reasons. Plus like Casey said MGM really supports this and will do anything to get this done. Also, many of the politicians of both parties in Carson City support this as well. So the As have a good chance of being in Las Vegas in the next 5-8 years.
I am so sorry to be a downer but the As have a decent chance of moving to Las Vegas. So if you live in Oakland go and support the Oakland Ballers if you feel that’s the right decision for you. That is the only baseball you may have for a very long time in Oakland after this year unless you want to support the Giants but that is entirely up to to. I cannot tell anyone what to do because this is a very personal decision and everyone will handle and process what is going on and the emotions of the news differently. I entirely understand that. I hope that everyone has a great evening under the circumstances.
Schools before Stadiums is already using a backup petition, and if its on the ballot it will probably pass, they have some of the worst schools in the country and people dont want to waste money on a Stadium for a billionaire. Also, for reference Kansas City voters voted down a ballot measure that would continue a sales tax that is in place for the Chiefs and Royals, if a super bowl winning team who won the last 2 of 3 super bowls cant succeed in getting votes to continue a sales tax they are used to paying, why would Nevada residents vote to give millions to the worst team in baseball?
Didn't Reggie Jackson say he'd move them to Vegas?
@@dogguy8603Schools over Stadiums is a scam for personal gain… the reason they will get kicked out of court again is the lie that this stadium is taking money away from residents (it’s a tax district- not a tax on votes) and schools ( no money is diverted from schools). It’s a personal revenge movement coming from Oakland politics…. Makes me angry they are taking money from people in Oakland for their scam.
If A’s do leave for Vegas, San Jose and Oakland should put serious bids for expansion! Owners bidding for expansion will be rich and smart! San Jose is a very lucrative market and MLB can overturn Giants territory rights if they want! The expansion fee would be high
If Sacramento keeps the A's.....San Jose and Oakland won't get an expansion team.
@@AK-qo6tx I meant leave for Vegas
Unfortunately, I see Fisher selling stakes in the ballpark and A's to finance it. The ballpark he will probably get a 100 million dollar naming agreement. Additionally the fancy suites will probably get him a few hundred million more. He has a few hundred million from the taxpayers and will probably sell a partial stake in the A's probably to casinos for a few hundred million. The rest he will finance.
I think it boils down to he feels like he can sell more luxury suites in Vegas because that's where the money for these greedy owners is found.
cant really sell stakes in the ballpark as the ballpark is already due to be county owned by the end of it all as thats how he's getting public dollars going towards it.. he's gotta sell a heavy stake in the team, and nobody yet seems really willing to get in bed with him on that yet as they dont really take him as a legitimate player with a solid plan...
Gaming industry people can smell bullshit even if its not bullshit... and John Fisher is full of shit.
70% is better than your previous, you used to be greatrr than 90%
Bally’s will sell that site ..Those renderings were all bullshit to buy time , who builds a stadium with a glass wall that will have the players looking directly into the setting sun ? ..Once Fisher has secured the funding real renderings will start to appear..If schools over stadiums falls flat again by the Nevada Supreme Court nothing can stop the move line it or not ..MLB wants baseball in Las Vegas ..they told Nevada over a year ago it’s the A’s or nobody ..Las Vegas would be better with nobody than Fisher and the A’s ..Las Vegas wants expansion not the A’s but they are being given no choice in the matter .
Fieldwork brewing company!!!
Your trippin me out
Saludos Casey
It's a recipe for disaster!
And so is any kind of expansion. Add two 120 loss teams. Bull$hit!!!
Welcome to Las Vegas
It's a done deal!!! It sucks!!!
@@bullwinkle2380Screw Las Vegas!
What were they thinking moving to Vegas where betting on ANYTHING is legal, including sport's where the player's are going to live? As far as the A's are concerned, they should just stay in Cali. Half or more of the fan base is in Sacramento anyway. Still close to the Bay Area and Sacramento is a great sports venue. Screw Vegas. It's an overpriced shithole anyway. AND much safer for fans.
Dude, that's what they want. That's what Casey and every other baseball and A's fan is completely clueless on, for whatever reason: they want a team there because they've embraced the (corrupt) money if gambling. It's not really that hard to see what this is about. Maybe they don't want to acknowledge it because they're into sports gambling themselves, but it's pretty darn obvious. Look at the Raiders..and even the Golden Knights.
Northern California is a massively stronger market than Vegas. That is undeniable. Of course the Philadelphia Athletics of NorCal are gonna need to build a new ballpark- which would likely cost well over a billion Robert Deniros.
My idea is to spend approx. $500-$800 and renovate the Oakland Coliseum. I know that sounds far-fetched but I guarantee the city of Oakland would welcome them back with open arms if the team really put their all into a Coliseum renovation that established the ballpark as a national historic monument that would exist for generations.
The whole 'Schools Over Stadiums' initiative will crash and burn. It won't even hit the ballot. The President of the NV Education Association & 'Schools Over Stadium' head, Dawn Etcheverry, did a longform interview with KTVN Channel 2 in Reno back in December and couldn't back up her claims that the money used for the stadium project is coming from education. KTVN reporter Arianna Bennett repeatedly asked her about that... and Etcheverry was clueless. Etcheverry conveniently overlooks the fact that the NV state legislature's plan is to sell bonds and institute tax breaks to cover part of the cost of the ballpark and that no money (from education or otherwise) from the NV state budget will go to new stadium funding. I'd post KTVN's website link here to the interview with her, but TH-cam would probably delete my post because of the link. Right now I'd say there's an 80 percent chance of the A's ending up in Vegas. I think the other 20 percent hinges on Fisher and the other players involved getting their act together.
pipe dream....Vegas is not going to happen with the economy going down fast and inflation running rampant.
Sacto A's!!! Vegas A's!!! It's a done deal for both cities!!! John Greedy Fisher sucks!!!
If Vegas happens, isn't Salt Lake City pretty much a given? Do you really see the MLB turnings down $900 million in corporate welfare money? Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't that be a record amount of public dollars?
MLB in Salt Lake City would be a disaster- considering commissioner Rob Manfred is trying to grow the popularity of the sport.
@@Savethepeople2004 It's bad enough we have one Colorado Rockies. Why in the hell would we want two?
Vegas is confident and isn’t sweating the process , it is people from Northern California falling for the bs. Why would MLB wants to move to Sacramento is ridiculous. I don’t know anyone in the world that want to plan a vacation to California that save money to plan a trip to sac . A’s move to Vegas will double the A’s worth. That isn’t happening in Sac. People of Sac getting a big head . MLB isn’t expanding there period . Just be a good host and stop building your hopes to high .
I actually don’t think it’s a terrible idea . The A’s and MLB took out Oakland(an awful city). Sacramento already has the nba so mlb would be a natural good 2nd sport.
Vegas is still a non-market. The team will be on welfare forever and a constant 100-loss team. The Aviators will be a better draw.
Las Vegas will get the Expansion franchise.
Sacramento will keep the A’s. And will build a new stadium in the Railyards adjacent to downtown or have a major expansion to the West Sacramento stadium.
Oakland will have a shell of a sports complex to demolish, and will never have Major League Sports ever again.
The Giants will have the Bay Area as their sole Market for MLB.
That’s the reality.
Continuing to whine gets one nowhere. Move on with life. And enjoy the Giants. They are your local team now. They are only a few minutes drive away, you just have to avoid the protestors and sideshows blocking the bridge.
I’m trying to imagine what kind of person you are to think that A’s fans would become Giants fans. It’s not good
@@markbennett1210 Was giving you a local option. Otherwise, you can come to Sacramento and still be an A's fan, albeit a 90 mile drive away. Or worse case, you can follow the team from a more extreme distance, if the Vegas move actually comes to fruition. What would you choose? There is no longer an option for them staying in Oakland/ Bay Area. That ship has sailed.
@@ivandragomiloff2356I’ll be an A’s fan for the rest of this year for sure. If they move temporarily to Sac I might still pay attention and catch a game on TV if that’s an option. If they stay there I will be more of a casual fan and pay some attention. If fisher sells the team it would be more palatable to be a fan. If they move to Vegas I’ll be done with MLB completely
@@markbennett1210 I definitely can understand. Maybe our passion for a team and sports can be turned into a positive direction. More passion to solve the problems this state, country, and world are facing. We put so much emphasis and passion on a game, and yet turn on the news and you will see a grim reality. World War 3 starting, and contested ugly election in a few months, crime and inflation increasing, the state 70 plus billion in the hole, the country 36 trillion in the hole, a predicted economic downturn that will make 2008 seem like good times, gas closing in on 6 dollars, people so far in credit card debt, and more crazy protests coming…sports is the escape from all this, but I’m afraid not for much longer. It will be a distant memory to what lays ahead. Guess we should enjoy it while we can before it SHT-Fan.
Does Zennie62 have to correct you again on your baseless claims the A's won't move to Las Vegas, with a new ballpark built? Dude, you're reaching and need to give up.
Did you watch the video? He says he still thinks the move is highly likely. What u smokin
@CrankyStew this fool loves to spill nonsense and uses sarcasm to downplay the A's actually moving to L.V. He's a smug like you. Speaking of "smoking" what do you be 'smoking' on kiddo? 🤔😂
Zennie has so many burner account on here and twitter. Anything mentioning his name specifically is Zennie
About 300 people watch Zennie. That dude just rambles for an hour and a half and just has an axe to grind with the city of Oakland
@@cg5968 if you know if he's telling the truth of Oakland officials failing to someway help the A's stay in town, he wouldn't go off on them, including the A's fans for not taking direct shots at their own officials, in addition to John Fisher and Dave Kaval taking the brunt of the heat.
Generally agree with a few caveats:
1) I think your assessment about the Bally’s situation is reasonable. GLPI and MGM are very enthusiastic. MGM CEO recently made positive comments. GLPI funding the demo and has indicated interest in increasing their investment. Both GLPI and MGM are financially healthy.
2) Schools Over Stadiums will not be a factor. First, the desire for a public option is from MLB. It could be a factor in expansion or relocation decisions, but even if it went away, MLB would not pull the plug. Second, the $380M is a relatively small component. Third, the challenge of getting signatures and verifying them in a short time is considerable. Fourth, the recent poll is not indicative of how a ballot measure would go. The poll question implied the general public would pay, which is not the case, and that would be clarified.
3) Dave Kaval told Fox40 in Sacramento that the funding is in place. Even if you don’t believe him, the funding will be documented in the Development Plan, the draft expected at the Stadium Authority May meeting. The fact that the funding has not been made public at this point is irrelevant.
It’s a problem when the public doesn’t know the other investments being made. If it was private then it doesn’t matter.
This isn’t just private so it needs to be detailed and available to the public. Pretty simple and easy to understand if you’re not a biff tanner.
The other “points” made are feeling feelings fact except for the obvious mgm has money lol. My guess is lots of bad press is hurting fishers image. Could impact business relationships.
The vote matters more than you care to admit and the public is very much against it in Vegas.
Vegas ran polls tell us this. We see the news reports.
All around this is bad for ball and a bad way for Vegas to get a team.
@@stefanbrown5872 The public will know when the Development Plan is released. Stadium Authority CEO said schedule consistent with projects of this size, especially compared to Allegiant. Any clamor for an earlier release of funding is not coming from the public in Nevada.
The bad press is not in Nevada. The bad press in the Bay Area is not a factor here. Mostly not noticed by the public, and those who do pay attention to Bay Area press are familiar with the situation there.
The poll indicated more oppose everyone paying. If it became a ballot issue, the points that only tax is paid by stadium attendees and transactions within the district would be important. As is the benefit to the economy. The stadium supporters have much more funds than the PAC supporters and if needed, advertisements would get those points out.
@@stefanbrown5872 Will be public in the Development Plan. Clamor for earlier release not coming from Nevada public.
Bad press in Bay Area, not in Nevada. Poll question not accurate reflection of SB1. SB1 supporters have resources and would get that clarified, as well as economic benefits.