It’s funny how they teased Hercules as Thor’s next adversary, but we all know in Thor 5 it’s just going to be them trying to out-dumb each other in various ways, and will probably become bros by the end
@@yurikendal4868 you nerds have turned into a bunch of tough guys all of a sudden .every marvel movie has to be dark and gritty like batman huh,how is that working out for them fanboys ?
@@mr.cloakofdagger3957 Batman worked amazingly for them, Marvel is failing at the moment and DC will probably surpass them if they keep going this way. Also stop using a space after your question marks and dots, it makes you look like an idiot (which you are).
I blame the Russo's for not giving Thor or Hulk any purpose or direction in Endgame. Feels like Endgame was made by completely different people. They should have made him an overprotective king, and married to Lady Sif. Then in the 4th film he could have children of his own, and be helping the nine realms deal with the aftermath of the snap. All while being chased by Gorr as he tries to kill the gods. Focusing on the theme of fatherhood. They could have set the tone for phase 4, but instead they doubled down on jokes and the next phase did the same.
I absolutely agree ! Christian Bale was completely and utterly wasted. We needed to see Gorr “the god butcher” do god butchering. Also he should have killed valkyrie or some main character ! I also think he should not have been killed off. He’s the god butcher however he had no real impact in the film
I think marvel gave Waitit the reigns based off of how popular Ragnarok was and figured it would be another hit so they let him do whatever he wanted. Well let's hope they learned from their mistake. I miss Thor from Thor 1 and avengers 😞
Can we stop pretending Waititi is a good director? I mean, seriously, you bring up issues such as “Taika seemed to focus more on comedy rather than what makes sense”, and that was present throughout Ragnarok, then saying “he’s too keen on making fun of Thor”, he made Thor a caricature in Ragnarok too. Or having stupid jokes that get dragged on and on, that’s present throughout his entire filmography, Ragnarok included. “It didn’t make sense in-universe”, again, happened repeatedly in Ragnarok. “This is the love of his life and he barely cares”, that’s in theme with Waititi’s Thor, since he spent a millennium with the Warriors Three, and he didn’t even acknowledge their deaths. That’s what I can’t understand with people, every single issue they seem to have with this, was present in Ragnarok, as well as every other film he’s made.
I'm with you on Ragnarok. Its more bare able but fuck his goofball Thor sucks. I wish he was more like him comic counterpart just tweaked for the movies. He's such a badass and Waititi butchered it. I was so pumped for this movie seeing Zeus but they messed that up too. Thor should have had even ground to stand on since Odin is on the same level as Zeus but ofcourse they want to turn it into a sex party
This, so much this. Ragnarok disgusted me as a project. "But it was a breath of fresh air, they didn't know what to do with Thor, have you watched Dark World" stfu, ass clown is not the only direction to go for a tragic and interesting character like Thor.
This Waikiki guy came out of nowhere I have never heard of him or seen his movies before Ragnarok and now everyone is saying that he is some kind of comedic legend lmao everyone acts like fourth thor is just a miss from legendary director, could someone name me the best movie from this guy? Want to witness his genius directing apart from thors
@@hombre-lobo5673 I’ve seen most of what he’s made, mostly for analytical purposes. He’s a one trick pony who’s one trick is basically setting every scene up as a joke. If you don’t have prior exposure to his stuff, it catches you off guard and can elicit laughs. If you know about it, it becomes obnoxious really fast, it’s why everyone turned on him this time around, despite doing the exact same thing. In order for that to happen, every character has to be turned into a 2D caricature, which is seemingly the only kind of writing he’s capable of. He basically fooled people into liking what he did, and now they’re waking up to it. The one movie everyone turns to to tell you how good he is, is Jojo Rabbit, a movie with the exact same issues, that manages to render Νazis and the Ηοlocaust completely unintimidating. It’s basically more of the same, he just gets away with it there the most because the main character has the same age and maturity his brain is stuck in.
She and Thor haven't seen each other in 8 years and the first thing they discuss is her "superhero catchphrase"?? Which is like, barely a thing in the MCU. I guess they said Hulk Smash once kinda?
Casual fans: omg that movie was perfect, better than ragnarok. True fans: umm did you watch a different movie than love and thunder? Disney: just consume products even if it sucks then get red to consume more products. Casual fans: yes master you are never wrong. True fans: I'm out cause you don't care about standards anymore.
I’m a casual fan and I did enjoy this film however I think for the true hardcore fans delight. this time it didn’t even work with most casual fans the box office numbers have been dropping dramatically. So if there is another Thor movie I believe Marvel will go back to serious Thor and say goodbye to Waititi. True fans even though you got a film you hated : well you guys won, since even most casual fans hated the movie so Marvel will listen to you. Now casual fans don’t be worried maybe we find a middle ground. Not too light hearted not too serious. Something like the first IronMan film which was perfectly in the middle. Sure some casual fans like me did enjoy this but we were minority at least that’s what box office numbers say. So in case Marvel does another Thor movie the tone will change again.
I hate this movie so much. Zero emotional stakes. Really bad humor that just kept going and going and going. Bad CGI (not their fault, I guess Marvel's treatment of their VFX team blows). Nearly incoherent story. Complete disrespect for the story, characters and lore of the overarching narrative in which this movie exists. What makes it even worse is that there's actually a really awesome story in here, as well as a ton of excellent acting talent who could have told a very powerful story with the themes, plot and subject matter that we were presented, but it was completely and deliberately wasted because it seems like Taika Waititi doesn't give a rip about what he's doing because it's just a paycheck to fund the (admittedly much better) original projects he actually cares about. In making a mockery of all of the characters, it almost feels like he's mocking the audience for wanting and wanting to care about "a classic Thor adventure" like it's embarrassed of what it is while exploiting people's interest in it. This is basically everything wrong with the MCU right now dialed to eleven, and I sincerely hope to God and the spirits of Stan Lee and Jack Kirby that Marvel Studios takes these criticisms to heart and gets its crap together before they completely lose all of the good will that the Infinity Saga earned them (and at this point that good will is slipping away fast). After this movie, I dread the thought of what he has planned for his Star Wars movie, and I truly hope Taika Waititi has nothing more to do with writing or directing the Thor franchise. The 80s rock/metal vibe is cool. That can stay. The stupid, overly self-aware Whedonesque meta humor (for Thor and the MCU in general) needs to goooo. I'm there in a heartbeat if or when they decide to consistently put their best foot forward, but at this point, I don't know if I emotionally invest myself in the MCU anymore. I feel the same about Star Wars too. I'll see it if something looks good, and I'll judge things fairly, because I want to love these franchises, but as of right now, the hype is dead, and they need to get their act together to resuscitate it at this point. Disney in general is an absolute train wreck these days.
Well I actually really like his films outside of the MCU. He's a talented writer and director, but he completely missed the mark here and I don't think he should touch another comic book movie. He's only interested in making fun of it at this point.
This movie felt like Taika Watiti just massaging his ego for 2hrs straight. You can tell he has no interest in Thor and is wasting whatever mythos could be explored with this character. Christian Bale is criminally underused in the film, and for that I can't even give this rubbish film a pass.
I remember , me and friends were laughing throughout the film..but once we left the theatre, it felt kind of blank..like what the hell happened. I didn't felt anything for thor, never felt scared for thor. No emotions except silly ness
Waititi is so ignorant with the lore he’s adapting as well. Valhalla isn’t Heaven. It’s the place where half the fallen warriors of each battle go, selected and guided by the Valkyries, which happens because that’s where they train for Ragnarok. See how many issues that one sentence had? Ragnarok has happened, so Valhalla is not a thing anymore, the Valkyries have supposedly been eradicated save for one, so there’s no one to escort the fallen there, and Jane wouldn’t have a good time at all if she went to Valhalla. She was a regular person for 99.5% of her life, and now she’d be in a place where she’d have to be in battles every single day for the rest of eternity, with no superpowers. That’s hell for a regular 21st century person.
Great point! Ragnarok is done and there are no active Valkyries. I didn't realize this huge storytelling failure. I guess Marvel doesn't give a crap about their own storytelling lore or the myths that they appropriate.
All they want these days is: 1-make men (white especially) look and act stupid and usless. 2-a whole bunch of gay references. 3-throw in lots of jokes and cgi because we can't be creative enough to have an epic movie. How can they make an epic movie if they want the heros to be useless? So they fill it with jokes and bad cgi. Some bull shit scenes where he can all of a sudden give power to bunch of kids. It seems like they are writing as they go.
So true - all of it. Absolute garbage. This film has singlehandedly put the MCU back bigtime. If Ragnarok was Batman Forever, this is Batman and Robin. I wasn’t a fan of Ragnarok either - I could see then where Taika was going to take Thor if he was given another film to make. My heart sunk more and more the further into the film I got. Utter shite. What the hell is Kevin Feige doing? Why he didn’t see a workprint of this and stop the damn thing?
I wouldn’t be surprised if the “Infinity Cones” gag was so Taika could please the Disney Park marketing team. The more toy models he gives, the more money he makes.
Chris Hemsworth, having a room temperature IQ, hates Thor and is a bad influence on Taika. That would explain his fall from grace. Hey, let's just laugh and have fun! - Marvel: "we're in!"
I blame it all on Melissa McCarthy...that woman could make any plot horrible...I swear she has never been in a movie better then a 3...I think she might be a talent vampire.
It's all taika..he wrote it..he made all the decisions.. he fucked this up ..and he meant to.. he wanted to piss off the fans.. who knows why..he said it.. America can have him, he's not a kiwi now.. we aren't up our own asses, sniffing our own farts , like he is nowadays..
For real though...its Disney...this is mostly Disneys fault...they are incapable of allowing any serious themes to be explored. Their only message is always, 'love is super good people'
if a film is bad, any self respecting director would blame him/herself, because it's true: it's the director's job to manage all the internal and external factors to create something good out of the chaos. u cant even pass the blame to the writer because taika wrote the script.
The problem is they let taika do whatever he wanted.. Ragnorok was good, because it was written by someone else..someone who knew what they were doing. .taika actually took pride in not knowing ANYTHING about the characters, even said he was making something to piss off the fans!! Ego much!? As a fellow kiwi, I disown him..he's lost to hollyweird, and he's quickly disappearing up his own ass..ifnot tessa's.. just gross, whole disgusting attitude..
A few weeks ago I watched Multiverse of Madness on Disney+, I legit thought what the hell is happening with marvel. I was disappointed at first with Wanda Vision and all that Loki crap we got, but it really went downhill after that. I mean, their purpose earlier was to entertain the audience with a meaningful plot with fiction that really excites us, they were earning a lot back then too, but now it is all about fan service and "the agenda" to lure a certain audience. This one I didn't really bother to go and watch, found a clip on the internet of the first 10 minutes and oh lord how happy I was to not pay for this utter shit. Marvel phase 4 really sucks at some different level, and at the worst time when DC is delivering better movies and we have shows like The Boys.
The motivation of Gorr fails flat in the middle of the movie. He wants to kill all the gods, because they´re selfish. So his plan is to kidnap children. But if Gods don´t care, why would Thor bother to risk his life to save the Kids? And If Thor does care, doesn´t it prove to Gorr he is wrong? And why do not wish for the ressurrection of his daughter from the begining?
Yep yep. They completely missed an opportunity there. Because Thor could have proven Gorr wrong by showing that not all gods are bad, and reversely, I think Thor should have questioned his place as a God when he found out Zeus was a piece of shit. A lot of missed opportunities for great character depth.
My mother died too from cancer ! i'm sorry for your loss. I was very uncomfortable how funny they treated cancer.... even cancer to them was a joke ! I miss my mom.
"And she kicks so much ass with the hammer after only having like 1 or 2 days of training. She flies perfectly, throws it perfectly and moves around like a true warrior. Thor's had thousands of years of practice while she's had like 16 hours and she's just as good as him. [...] No build up, no earned moment, it just kinda comes out of nowhere. She didn't even earn the power because of who she is as a person." Me, a Star Wars fan who hates Rey for this exact reason: "First time?" You say it isn't 'woke' and while I hate that word because it feels like it trivializes the criticisms, everything you described is part of the problem of new 'woke' characters. Unearned powers granted to a flawless character of a seemingly underrepresented group after which they are flawless with the power despite no training or practice whatsoever. That is why they are called tokens. They're not actual characters.
Hahaha I actually might like Rey a little more because she didn't say anything that was offensively cringe like Jane did. But they are very similar in that regard. Not earning their powers and being lazily written. I would say it's leaning on "woke" if she replaced Thor in the end, but she didn't so that was good.
@@Dylasophical Thor has been replaced, he is now a "fratboy" moron who should be named Bro. How someone that has lived 1,500+years is that dumb is beyond my understanding.
i like how people try to defend this movie by saying it's a comedy. i'm like even still it's not funny, you can't honestly tell me you think this movie is funny. fanboys are the worst, they are one the reason that these movies will keep being shit. cause they can't give constructive feedback everything has to be positive with them.
I didn't hate the movie, but it sure made me hate Taika Waititi. I've only seen his other movie Ragnarok and that's all I needed, I never need to hear another Taika Waititi joke again.
Taika really needs a cool pill or needs a really good down to Earth assistant for he is way too hyperactive for his own good. If one has seen his interviews, they know what I'm talking about. He is a positive man with good intentions, but needs to grow up some.
I’m sick of Marvel and what their doing with the MCU I’ve actually for once skipped a Marvel installment twice. I skipped Ms Marvel, and now I’m skipping this one. I can’t stand what their doing to this once beautiful franchise, over 10 years of build up just to be wrecked in only 2 installments.
remember, taika said in interview that gorr would be the best villain in mcu just before this film came out. by that time the film has been screened for the studio execs, so he would know the reactions were not what he was hoping for. yey he forged ahead saying gorr would be the best, as if trying to convince himself the reactions were wrong. i think the life lesson here is... stay humble and dont talk shit. ragnarok's success and his oscar have made him think he can do the f he wants and people will just love it.
I’ll like to know who green light this shit, it fell like a parody of a marvel movie. The cgi is shit, bad jokes thought out the movie, really bad villain almost everything is bad
THANK YOU! This movie was a dumb mess AND IT HAS SO MUCH PADDING!? It only got a 120-minute runtime and Taika needed three flashbacks with him narrating it? It's so ridiculous and anaemic like they didn't even write the script before filming. Also why is Thor talking like George of the Jungle? He's not just dumbed down he's horribly out of place in this. I can't believe that no-one in the marvel camp looked at the dailies and went "oh no we need rewrites".
Also yes, you're right why didn't they expand on Bale's characters backstory? They had the time, but they didn't do anything with him. It's just not a good movie overall, all the components are there but the script and the directing let it down immensely.
the best part is, its marvel fans who are upset about this film being bad, yet other marvel fans fighting those same fans saying they will just hate on anything.. i dont understand the marvel fandom.....
It's disappointing that Marvel's best project in this Phase was Shang Chi, which i thought was just okay. The Eternals actually looks better and better compared to what's coming out now. Very very sad, and a trend of the main character being sidelined is also ruining the movies, with Thor, Doctor Strange, and black widow.
I agree 100% about your opinions on Thor (the character) Thor's “character growth” was barely allowing him to grow as a character. He just stays the same jocky man child he was from the first Thor movie. Having him not learned a damn thing throughout his own arc. It's all just jokes and rock music and alcohol and more jokes and more alcohol and even more jokes... Did I forget to say jokes? Yeah a whole lot of jokes. Even when they try to take something very serious they still have to add a layer of comedy to it. And the final battle was way too cartoony and clownish. Like why would I care about a little girl shooting laser beams out of her teddy bear. This movie doesn't feel like that much of a Thor movie nor does it feel like a “superhero”movie. The writing for this movie feels like fanfiction written and given to the studio by a drunk and toxic fan. Like I said before this movie feels so average.
Due to some of the lack of continuity control in latter day MCU films Thor actually showed all his growth as a hero and was in peak form in Infinity War but yeah everything else since then (and at the same time with Ragnarok, not sure which was first) he's just a dumb jock male bimbo for women to swoon at (or loser in Endgame.)
This movie was horrible. A huge disappointment. A sad attempt of trying to be funny on what should have been a more serious movie considering Gods were actually being killed. Gorr was nothing like this in the comics. Gorrs character development seemed very rushed. The Gods that were alive seemed to be imbeciles. The only thing good were the special effects. Those goats should have been put on a spit over an open fire. Yes they were in the comics but no need for that abnoxious sound through out the entire movie. We get that they are loud. This director should stop making Thor movies. As for the music it's very similar to some animated films that use one artist. Spirit : Stallion of the Cimarron is a good example using Brian Adams for the soundtrack. . Basically it was a very long Guns and Roses video. I am so glad I streamed it and didn't have to shell out movie prices to go see it. To reiterate, it was a huge, no massive disappointment and a disservice to the Thor comic book lore, more so Gorr the God Killer.
22:41 so I guess that means Mjolnir was also killing Cap, Vision, Odin, Thor and all the other people that have picked the thing up? Just another of the awful parts to this horrible movie.
I agree with you in almost all your points, but I think Jane entered the Valhalla because she was fighting cancer, THAT was her battlefield and she died still fighting it. In the Norse mythology, the women entered the Valhalla if they die giving birth. I believe is a similar context.
In Norse mythology, the Valkyries escorted half the fallen warriors of each battle to Valhalla to train and prepare for Ragnarok. You realize Waititi has already taken a massive dump on this by that sentence alone, right? The purpose of Valhalla is for the warriors to fight each other daily, die, and be raised back at night to celebrate. This is great for warriors who were raised to fight and kill, and see glory in it, but it’s hell for someone like Jane.
What I absolutely hate about the mcu is when they do the villain is bad because some magic corrupted their soul. Which is exactly what they did with Gorr and you didn't mention. That's why he chose to resurrect his daughter after they broke the sword. So you were wrong about that final scene
But that's a problem because it didn't explain HOW much it was corrupting him. Even before he grabs the sword, he is visibly angry and disowns his god, so he was already angry at the gods. It wasn't clear how much the sword was changing him, so I didn't believe his final decision in the end.
@@Dylasophical Tbh it's mentioned several times throughout. Even the sword whispers ''kill all the Gods.'' Definitely sucks that marvel keep copping out of character development for ''the magic made me do it.'' Might be cool to mention in another video? Also he renounces one god because of his daughter's death, not all gods
@@Simple1DEA It's mentioned in passing twice. They didn't show us who he was BEFORE the sword, so there was no contrast to who he had become. Even if they did mention it. And he was clearly angry enough to renounce his faith, so it's safe to assume he wasn't fond of gods after that. But the problem is that it was never clear. He didn't get enough time to flesh out his story in a clear way. It was all surface level garbage. And yeah, almost all of their villains are sympathetic now. It's nice to get a straight up evil villain like Hela or Green Goblin.
@@Dylasophical @Philosophical Pickle I agree Gorr was done so poorly. Thor explains how the necrosword is corrupting him to Jane half way through the movie then Jane replies, ''so the sword is infecting him?'' Tbh I don't think they could've explained it any clearer than that. I agree about all the garbage around Gorr but the idea to kill all the gods was the sword's idea and not Gorr was clearly set up before the ending scene. This movie was all kindergarten level storytelling. For me it wasn't safe to assume that. When Gorr says ''I renounce you (singular)'' and the sword whispers to him ''kill all the gods'' that's enough to spell it out for me. In that entire opening scene Gorr has no single thought or bit of dialogue related to any other god than the one that didn't save his daughter before he wielded the sword. It's likely you and other audience members had preconceived notions about Gorr that you carried on into the film.
@@Dylasophical Also the fact that every past wielder of the sword has had exactly the same motivation. Honestly there's loads of times they mention it. This is a kids movie so they wanted to make sure kids understood all of it. I get that this movie was too painful to pay attention
Cannot agree more. I’m disappointed this movie has already made as much as it has. Money speaks and I pray that more and more people don't reward Taika 'I'll ruin your mythos in a minute, baby' Waititi and the woke, post Endgame MCU went full unoriginal, lazy, formulaic hack on this one and tried to cash in on and rehash Ragnarok's same exact beats but with the cringe, kiddie humour dialed up to 11 and at the expense of Thor, who was entirely character assassinated.. This is the worst MCU movie I've ever seen. A tonal catastrophe, muddled, far too short, jokes at every single second and, as I say, Thor has been entirely character assassinated to be a bumbling, insufferable (now the Guardians look bored and annoyed whenever he's doing anything), silly idiot who weeps at movies on dates with Jane, calls his hammer like it's a dog and annoys everyone he's around (Heimdall's son gets bored of him and tells him to go away, the Guardians look exasperated by him now being an idiot, Valkryie and Jane look at him like a fool when he, for some random reason, falls out of the Bifrost and destroys part of New Asgard like he accidentally destroys the temple of the people he's trying to save). I am astonished how bad this movie is. You get brief moments where Thor acts like Thor but then he resumes being this new airhead simpleton jock character that Taika and Chris are loving to turn him into. It's such a shame, there's a really brilliant outline here but it's just absolutely saturated, stuffed to the gills with silliness and tension breaking comedy and character assassination (with Thor). Like Gorr. Bale is predictably phenomenal as him but he’s so, so underutilised and they completely avoid some of the best moments of his comic run like the Godbomb and deny him any kind of actual character like: Is he evil or is it just the sword whispering to him and manipulating him, it’s never explained? We literally get an hour and 20 minutes into this movie that doesn’t even reach 2 hours long, before we actually get a meaningful, legitimate conversation between Thor and Gorr, aside from one fight where they throw a few small exchanges with no substance. We see next to none of his brutality against the Gods like in the comic where it’s more of a haunting, murder mystery involving Gods being hunted like prey, tortured extensively and butchered. He’s truly tame here. He kills one God at the beginning of the movie, Thor finds Sif in the aftermath of his next butchering (they don’t even explain why she’s been gone for about 9 years in universe and instead make time for jokes despite her having lost an arm) and then Zeus references some killings. That’s literally it. You get absolutely nothing in terms of actual God butchering. Where was his torture of Thor from the comics? Why didn’t they write it so that Gorr had met Thor years before like in the comics? He’s so disappointingly handled and truly, truly surface level, a Malekith/Ivan Vanko level of mishandling and lack of care by the script. unfortunately for Bale. And again, seriously, why is Thor an absolute bumbling, aloof, head in the clouds simpleton now? Seriously, did he get CTE from all his years fighting bad guys? He acts like someone who's not all there and the joke is that the characters are written and directed to mirror that. Notice how loads of times in the movie, characters look annoyed or bored with Thor, like he's a bad smell, because he's written to act like an annoying, absent-minded screw up? He flies away and then...for some reason...smashes into and breaks one of the pillars in New Asgard, much to the dismay of the people, which already is a copy of an earlier part of the movie where he smashes the sacred temple that the whole point was to preserve? And it's all because of Taika's obsessive need to write jokes for 4-year-olds. It is literally farting in the bathtub, laughing at the bubbles level of humour. Taika Waititi forgot the first rule: Never go full retard. And why did Thor go back to using Mjolnir? Obviously it’s his longstanding weapon in the comics but in the context of the MCU, Stormbreaker (exclusively Beta Rey Bill’s in the comic) was the upgrade, the King’s weapon, why did he regress back to Mjolnir? I'm honestly shocked how awful it is. Thank God I didn't pay money to be disappointed by this and fund the Mouse. Oh, and I adored Ragnarok. Absolutely loved it, aside from the odd one or two goofy moments that encapsulate this entire movie. That's the problem. Taika saw what people loved in Ragnarok (playing popular rock music over Thor - 4 Guns N Roses tracks, 4?!, I love Guns but 4 tracks from the same band as well as a character being named after them and Guns being referenced? - the play scene with Matt Damon, Luke Hemsworth and Sam Neil, Thor shrieking like a little girl at the Grandmaster) and just turned that all up to 11 and repeated it all again but without any rhyme or reason. I haven't seen Eternals, which people gave bad reviews, but this movie is just appallingly bad. It's exactly as advertised though. A spoiled, 6 year old's fever dream of a movie, which is exactly what Hemsworth and Waititi said it would be, that Waititi had the 'imagination of a child' but sadly the MCU, banking on Ragnarok's success, let him have free reign to butcher Thor. Now I know how the people who hated Ragnarok felt for what they saw as Thor being made into a goofy idiot. I didn't feel that there but I 100% felt it here. ‘I’ll ruin your mythos in a minute baby’. Thanks Taika, you did.
completely agree with you. Marvel movies are best when they stay true to who the character is which is why I absolutely love Iron Man 1, Winter Soldier to name some examples. Go read over 50 years of Thor comics ( like I have ) and you will learn he is not a comedic buffoon at all. He is over 1500 years old and I am certain in that time he should have developed wisdom, especially since he needs to exercise his wisdom in order to be the ruler of Asgard (Thor movie #1) but since then he has abandoned that course to become a comedic buffoon. Even the way he talks is annoying; listen to the way he speaks when the unfunny screaming goats are first introduced, very cringe inducing. Why his character is forced in this direction actually makes me very frustrated because of what they could have created.
@@Thynqikan 100%. Thor in the comics is, to me, equal to Captain America as an absolute beacon of hope and goodness. I love when he fights alone against Glory to protect the earth, the planet he most loves, given that he is it's protector and son of Gaea. He is by far my favourite comic character and I am absolutely routinely appalled by how they turn him into a 30 IQ idiot who is simply detestable because he's suddenly had an off-screen aneurysm. Thor in the comics might not be a scientific genius but he is intelligent and wise and his status as a God is something very much respected among the Avengers and other heroes. He's a force to be reckoned with, but also a very real, very useful help, for any in the universe. They've now introduced the Celestials, how amazing would it have been to show Thor alone against the Celestials, battling to save Pangoria from their Judgement? But no. He is now a total clown, an absolutely useless imbecile who confuses and bores the surrounding characters and the audience. You are absolutely spot on, them refusing him to be King in favour of Valkryie 'the enslaver' who twice refused him helping their people in favour of him remaining as a slave for the Grandmaster, before she then actively went to hunt him down only to be guilt tripped by Loki, was a very telling moment for me in Endgame, I was so disappointed. He should have been made King, and it would have coincided perfectly with him becoming King just a few years back. They should be ashamed for plummeting this brilliant character, who rightfully should act as the MCU's bridge to the cosmos, same as he was in the comics.
I didn't hate it either but it was sad and Thor deserves better. Gorr was pretty cool though because of Bale's acting and Gorr's powers. I even liked Jane for the most part at least when she had her powers she seemed cool and kinda humble Portman's performance is the good bit. Her randomly having this power makes no sense though and her abrupt power up was rank bullshit.... idk I just liked her in some parts I guess. God Butcher comic was 1000x better. Gorr should've had a longer exposition... and the swords ties to Hella and Knull should have been explained. Wish he got to the part where he crucified a bunch of gods, especially Volstagg. He should have also wanted revenge for his entire species and his personal family. Also why didn't we get Gorr killing gods in the past when Thor was young, or Thor answering people's prayers on Indigar.... only to find Gorr killed Indigar's old gods. The scene where Thor made it rain on that planet and saved a bunch of aliens he knew nothing about and then told the people not to worship him but to take care of each other was beautiful in the book and they didn't put it in.... this movie failed.
It would’ve been better if Thor’s old hammer chose Jane and it made her worthy of the power of Thunder. Maybe she rescues some children who were being attacked and got one of the monsters attention. The monster throws Jane and is slowly dying from that attack the monster slowly walks to Jane and Jane desperately crawls away, then she reaches out her hand and the hammer glows and flies to Jane’s hand and is now the Might Thor. Maybe Thor and Jane have this student teacher moment where Thor trains Jane on using her new found power but the hammer is slowly repairing itself and is not at full power. Thor warns Jane is she were to use a great amount of power from the hammer it will break and she will die. That forces Jane to think about how to use her powers, maybe for the climax Thor tries to convince Jane to take Stormbreaker and he takes his old hammer, because maybe throughout the movie Thor feels a sort of survivors guilt over the death of his friends, family, the Asgardians Thanos killed, and the destruction of the home. Maybe he thinks himself as a failure as a hero, a son, a brother, and as a king, but maybe if he could sacrifice himself to save Jane’s life, the only love he’s ever known and possibly the last person Thor could still possibly protect, maybe in his eyes he won’t fail as a man. But Jane sacrifices himself instead and that is a correlation of both Gorr and Thor that maybe these two are two sides of the same coin. Maybe Gorr also feels survivors guilt on what happened to his planet and his daughter. Thor convinces Gorr to not go through with his plan to kill all the gods. Maybe Gorr sees the humanity within Thor. He sees his pain and feels his pain as well. That could’ve been an interesting story of Thor learning to forgive himself.
You'd think this would have made him become an overprotective king, instead of hiding and eventually abandoning his people. He left in charge some slaver who never regretted the things she did for the Grand Master. This after just learning about the importance of Asgard as a people, and not just a place.
Dude this was an excellent breakdown. That stupid lightning bolt was never necessary to fight gore, and in the context of the movie, how powerful thor was he didn't need help with gore. We need the Russo's to take on Thor 5
im just going to point this out because you don't seem like the type of person who would be ~offended~ by what I'm going to say when everyone talks about jane's character, why is that we never mention the ableist stereotypes...no actually. the death and supercrip? why are reviewers just neglecting it and therefore normalizing it? personally, I'm not mad she didn't look "sick," because disabilities and chronic illnesses shouldn't be justified by visibility. it makes a lot of the ableism I face frustrating.
*read this in a neutral/friendly conversational tone* She is literally terminally ill with cancer and her Thor powers remove her body’s ability to fight said cancer, the criticism isn’t that people with disabilities have to look sick it’s that SHE should not look like she walked off a screening of project runway. I understand the frustration with people thinking you have to look sick to be sick but I really don’t feel it’s ableism to expect your terminally ill character who’s on their death bed to look a little yucky and not dolled up for the camera.
Sorry to hear that you face that. I'm honestly not sure what you mean. When someone has stage 4 cancer, they don't just look like they have a cold. They puke, they shit themselves, their faces are shrunken in, they lose their hair, etc. Not always, but most of the time it is a torturous thing to witness. If they wanted us to really feel the impact, they dropped the ball.
I realized the MCU was going down hill after they made Harry Styles the brother of Thanos. Why did the MCU take one of the best characters, Thanos, and make his brother some wimpy kid? 🤣🤔🤨😐😵🥴🤒😤🥱 (Not sure why we don't talk about this)
So thor and mjolnir can travel a billion miles per hour to the center of the universe to catch up to gorr. Also shouldn't the gods have respect for thor for fighting thanos the being that can kill all of them
I agree with the most disappointing besides Iron Man 3. I've never understood why people liked that film when it had the worst bait-and-switch I've ever seen with the villain, (and the CGI one we got was terrible)... and 75% of the movie was Robert Downey Jr. being swarmy or nice to some random kid and NOT Iron Man. But yeah... this movie actively annoyed me.
It’s crazy to me how marvel couldn’t make this work when it so easily could’ve. Deadpool 1 and 2 are the funniest marvel movies imo and they deal with cancer, depression, suicide attempts, losing loved ones, child abuse etc. Those movies never have the comedy take away from the seriousness of the topics. Marvel could’ve used Deadpool as the blueprint for how to deal with Jane’s cancer but instead they chose not to for whatever reason. I feel like they were just trying to rush this movie out in hopes of satisfying fans of Ragnarok
Exactly. That movie has a few moments where the comedy wouldn't let up, but it had some real emotional scenes after he found out he had cancer. Plus, it's Deadpool! It's supposed to be silly.
the goofball silly humor has no business being in a Thor movie because Thor isn't a goofball. Go read 50 years of Thor comics and you will see what we mean. The comedy works like a charm in Deadpool because that is who he is.
I couldn’t disagree more. Deadpool shouldn’t be used as a the blueprint for Thor. Thor is Thor. Plain and simple yes there is time for humor and light hearted moments but why can’t the darker and heavy themes be taken more serious. Why can’t serious matter be played out with the weight of its severity. Completely done with Marvel brand of humor and making every character a whity comedian
MCU is sinking badly. Used to be a big fan, now not so much. Even the TV shows started out good Wanda, Loki, Falcon and winter soldier...then Hawkeye, moonknight, marvel girl.....just awful stuff. Every Marvel movie this year has been a disappointment. Yes even Spiderman men, the best of the bunch.
Spider-man No Way Home is the only Marvel film I liked this year. It made me emotionally invested: I cared about the characters and that seems a rare thing in MCU movies these days.
@@iwrotethis9290 No way home is the 5th best Spiderman movie (Spiderman 1-3 despite the studio interference in 3, ASM and for me ASM2 because I don't like Holland's acting at all.) Like anything halfway tolerable in the 2020s it gets a massively inflated rating because of the general dearth of quality movies coming out.
The part that hammered home for me how badly this was executed was the fact the emotional impact of the ending was predicated on Thor having a relationship with a character we don't know at all. I mean I'm watching the final scene and nothing, and then I go "Ohhhhh! I'm supposed to care about this..."
Right? I'm like, oh great Thor's finally a father? Wait, when did it ever get established that what was missing in his life was a child? Does that mean this movie's message is basically that when you don't know what to do with your life, have a kid? Really, Taika?
@@juanitacanon3120 I would want to see him mature across the films, and finally grow up. Accepting his role as King, and being a father himself. Where he has to make big decisions like Odin did on behalf of his people. Maybe even help the non realms deal with the after math of the snap. There's a lot you could do there, but the most important part is that it would end his story. Every story needs and end, and every hero needs a conclusion to their journey.
The shtick was tiring since the beginning. You got what you deserved supporting the trash character assassination of Hulk and Thor in Ragnorok. :) Just saying.
All your points are 100% correct ! and about his daughter we didin't care.... and about Gorr only killed one God.... and about those fucking goats. This movie is embarrassing indeed !
I've just rewatched Ragnarok and I can now see that even though I liked it, it really skates the edge of being too silly and undercuts serious moments in favour of jokes, that aren't always funny. So it was definitely a warning. Disney obviously let Taika have his own way for L&T and it's just too much with the non funny jokes ruining any moment of seriousness. You make some great points, hardly any critic seems to point out the sheer ridiculous bad plotting at the start where Gorr suddenly and with no explanation meets his douchebag god who helpfully tells him about the weapon which is just there next to him🙄 And yet that's one of the only times we get to see Gorr. Meanwhile it feels like so much screen time is wasted on incredibly unfunny pointless scenes, like the dumb play, the axe hammer thor triangle, the scene in god city. So many plot holes and so much wasted potential...
That’s always been the thing. I never really thought ragnarok was a bad movie but it was always a horrible adaptation. It’s like writing the best English paper of your educational career and turning it in for chemistry class. The storylines that movie adapted could not have been less fitting for a goofy 80s vibe. Planet Hulk was like marvel’s alien Spartacus and ragnarok was basically the Norse apocalypse. Funny moments aren’t bad in and of themselves and ragnarok had some emotional moments but they never really had time to leave an impression because the next moment would just distract you with more bright cheeriness. Thor never even showed any reaction to learning his childhood friends were slaughtered as quickly as if they were trying to arrest palpatine. The ragnarok movie is kind of like if you adapted the Iliad as a comedy musical. Like it might end up being actually goofy and fun but what’s the point of ruining a grand and epic story, just make a new one or find an existing story that already would lend itself to that style better
I walked out of Ragnarok thinking that was shite too, but everyone LOVES it! That this film takes place in a world where classics like Winter Soldier and Infinity Wat exists is beyond me.
Even hearing the name “god city” shows me that he didn’t care about this film in the slightest they could’ve named it oh Idk mount OLYMPUS the could have gotten rid of Korg and it wouldn’t have changed a scene he gets more screen time than the fucking villain 🤦just the dumbest shit ever “god city” who wrote this a man child that’s who
Its funny how they introduced Jane as The new Thor. And killed her off right away. This pisses the F**k out of me. Lile seriously. I threw my popcorn down at the thesters. I was fumming. I was like motherf******s.!!!!
But you should see Marvel fanboys on the official trailer 🤣 they freaking buy anything Disney throws to them .. I’m laughing my ass off right now by the comments on the black panther teaser ..
Jeez.. I myt have to take some heavy meds before I go there.. lol.. I'll end up getting.. oh I don't even wanna think about that right now.. how does one stay so ..stupid!? These morons are feeding the beast! Least they are poor..they don't seem to be paying their bills lol.. all thos crap is flopping, and it's gunna get MUCH worse! Lol
It’s funny how they teased Hercules as Thor’s next adversary, but we all know in Thor 5 it’s just going to be them trying to out-dumb each other in various ways, and will probably become bros by the end
Who the he'll is we stranger ?
Hercules was an after credit scene and as usual yet another Disney character survives a chest stabbing
@@yurikendal4868 you nerds have turned into a bunch of tough guys all of a sudden .every marvel movie has to be dark and gritty like batman huh,how is that working out for them fanboys ?
@@mr.cloakofdagger3957 Dude you have the mindset and writing of an 11 yr old. Delete your comment lol
@@mr.cloakofdagger3957 Batman worked amazingly for them, Marvel is failing at the moment and DC will probably surpass them if they keep going this way. Also stop using a space after your question marks and dots, it makes you look like an idiot (which you are).
Taika should never direct another Thor movie ever again
Or any movie at all...
@@jay4you853 That would be a service to cinema as a whole
Yeah. He's doing a star wars movie. I think I'll pass on them
@@yurikendal4868 They’ll give those to anyone these days…
@@alexman378 yeah. Incompetent is the new standard in Hollywood
This movie is a literal joke. Even Thor the Dark World takes its plot more seriously.
I might rather watch that film again. It's close.
I 100% would watch dark world over love and thunder. I'm never watching love and thunder again.
@@Crazyoldman84 absolutely agree.
@@Crazyoldman84 yep, at least it has some of the best Thor and Loki dialogue in the MCU
Sad but true
I blame the Russo's for not giving Thor or Hulk any purpose or direction in Endgame. Feels like Endgame was made by completely different people. They should have made him an overprotective king, and married to Lady Sif. Then in the 4th film he could have children of his own, and be helping the nine realms deal with the aftermath of the snap. All while being chased by Gorr as he tries to kill the gods. Focusing on the theme of fatherhood. They could have set the tone for phase 4, but instead they doubled down on jokes and the next phase did the same.
I absolutely agree ! Christian Bale was completely and utterly wasted. We needed to see Gorr “the god butcher” do god butchering. Also he should have killed valkyrie or some main character ! I also think he should not have been killed off. He’s the god butcher however he had no real impact in the film
Love and thunder makes me not want dr.doom in MCU treat him like Zeus.
I'm VERY worried about how they'll portray Dr. Doom......
Yep DC did an awesome version of Zeus looks badass like an actual god and we get old fat goofy Russell crow 🤦🏽♂️
agreed
I think marvel gave Waitit the reigns based off of how popular Ragnarok was and figured it would be another hit so they let him do whatever he wanted. Well let's hope they learned from their mistake. I miss Thor from Thor 1 and avengers 😞
They didn't learn anything
Can we stop pretending Waititi is a good director? I mean, seriously, you bring up issues such as “Taika seemed to focus more on comedy rather than what makes sense”, and that was present throughout Ragnarok, then saying “he’s too keen on making fun of Thor”, he made Thor a caricature in Ragnarok too. Or having stupid jokes that get dragged on and on, that’s present throughout his entire filmography, Ragnarok included. “It didn’t make sense in-universe”, again, happened repeatedly in Ragnarok. “This is the love of his life and he barely cares”, that’s in theme with Waititi’s Thor, since he spent a millennium with the Warriors Three, and he didn’t even acknowledge their deaths. That’s what I can’t understand with people, every single issue they seem to have with this, was present in Ragnarok, as well as every other film he’s made.
I'm with you on Ragnarok. Its more bare able but fuck his goofball Thor sucks. I wish he was more like him comic counterpart just tweaked for the movies. He's such a badass and Waititi butchered it. I was so pumped for this movie seeing Zeus but they messed that up too. Thor should have had even ground to stand on since Odin is on the same level as Zeus but ofcourse they want to turn it into a sex party
This, so much this. Ragnarok disgusted me as a project.
"But it was a breath of fresh air, they didn't know what to do with Thor, have you watched Dark World" stfu, ass clown is not the only direction to go for a tragic and interesting character like Thor.
This Waikiki guy came out of nowhere I have never heard of him or seen his movies before Ragnarok and now everyone is saying that he is some kind of comedic legend lmao everyone acts like fourth thor is just a miss from legendary director, could someone name me the best movie from this guy? Want to witness his genius directing apart from thors
@@hombre-lobo5673 I’ve seen most of what he’s made, mostly for analytical purposes. He’s a one trick pony who’s one trick is basically setting every scene up as a joke. If you don’t have prior exposure to his stuff, it catches you off guard and can elicit laughs. If you know about it, it becomes obnoxious really fast, it’s why everyone turned on him this time around, despite doing the exact same thing. In order for that to happen, every character has to be turned into a 2D caricature, which is seemingly the only kind of writing he’s capable of.
He basically fooled people into liking what he did, and now they’re waking up to it. The one movie everyone turns to to tell you how good he is, is Jojo Rabbit, a movie with the exact same issues, that manages to render Νazis and the Ηοlocaust completely unintimidating. It’s basically more of the same, he just gets away with it there the most because the main character has the same age and maturity his brain is stuck in.
@@alexman378 Thanks for detailed reply, I'll watch that rabbit stuff of his just to make sure myself that this guy is overrated.
She and Thor haven't seen each other in 8 years and the first thing they discuss is her "superhero catchphrase"?? Which is like, barely a thing in the MCU. I guess they said Hulk Smash once kinda?
Thor movie with a 250 million dollar budget
Expectations: God of War Ragnarok
Reality: SNL
That’s all Waititi’s capable of
Casual fans: omg that movie was perfect, better than ragnarok.
True fans: umm did you watch a different movie than love and thunder?
Disney: just consume products even if it sucks then get red to consume more products.
Casual fans: yes master you are never wrong.
True fans: I'm out cause you don't care about standards anymore.
I’m a casual fan and I did enjoy this film however I think for the true hardcore fans delight. this time it didn’t even work with most casual fans the box office numbers have been dropping dramatically. So if there is another Thor movie I believe Marvel will go back to serious Thor and say goodbye to Waititi.
True fans even though you got a film you hated : well you guys won, since even most casual fans hated the movie so Marvel will listen to you.
Now casual fans don’t be worried maybe we find a middle ground. Not too light hearted not too serious. Something like the first IronMan film which was perfectly in the middle.
Sure some casual fans like me did enjoy this but we were minority at least that’s what box office numbers say. So in case Marvel does another Thor movie the tone will change again.
The fact that they won't even fully cover cancer tell me Daredevil series is in trouble.
I hate this movie so much. Zero emotional stakes. Really bad humor that just kept going and going and going. Bad CGI (not their fault, I guess Marvel's treatment of their VFX team blows). Nearly incoherent story. Complete disrespect for the story, characters and lore of the overarching narrative in which this movie exists. What makes it even worse is that there's actually a really awesome story in here, as well as a ton of excellent acting talent who could have told a very powerful story with the themes, plot and subject matter that we were presented, but it was completely and deliberately wasted because it seems like Taika Waititi doesn't give a rip about what he's doing because it's just a paycheck to fund the (admittedly much better) original projects he actually cares about. In making a mockery of all of the characters, it almost feels like he's mocking the audience for wanting and wanting to care about "a classic Thor adventure" like it's embarrassed of what it is while exploiting people's interest in it. This is basically everything wrong with the MCU right now dialed to eleven, and I sincerely hope to God and the spirits of Stan Lee and Jack Kirby that Marvel Studios takes these criticisms to heart and gets its crap together before they completely lose all of the good will that the Infinity Saga earned them (and at this point that good will is slipping away fast). After this movie, I dread the thought of what he has planned for his Star Wars movie, and I truly hope Taika Waititi has nothing more to do with writing or directing the Thor franchise. The 80s rock/metal vibe is cool. That can stay. The stupid, overly self-aware Whedonesque meta humor (for Thor and the MCU in general) needs to goooo. I'm there in a heartbeat if or when they decide to consistently put their best foot forward, but at this point, I don't know if I emotionally invest myself in the MCU anymore. I feel the same about Star Wars too. I'll see it if something looks good, and I'll judge things fairly, because I want to love these franchises, but as of right now, the hype is dead, and they need to get their act together to resuscitate it at this point. Disney in general is an absolute train wreck these days.
I gotta give you an.........AMEN.
Infinity Conez is the MCU equivalent to having a 9/11 themed ice cream shop in New York
YES YES YES YES YES YES!!!!
Taika Waititi shouldn’t be allowed near ANY MOVIE SET outside of dumb and dumber or ace Ventura. That’s his speed. Maybe
Well I actually really like his films outside of the MCU. He's a talented writer and director, but he completely missed the mark here and I don't think he should touch another comic book movie. He's only interested in making fun of it at this point.
This movie felt like Taika Watiti just massaging his ego for 2hrs straight. You can tell he has no interest in Thor and is wasting whatever mythos could be explored with this character.
Christian Bale is criminally underused in the film, and for that I can't even give this rubbish film a pass.
I remember , me and friends were laughing throughout the film..but once we left the theatre, it felt kind of blank..like what the hell happened. I didn't felt anything for thor, never felt scared for thor. No emotions except silly ness
I had the same feeling......But with less laughter LOL
Gorr has the potential to be one of the main villains for Phase 4 (introducing many other gods), but noooooooooo Taika made him a mf joke!! WTF
Ikr, Gorr the god butcher? More like Gorr the child kidnapper
This movie made me think he's struggling with nihilism.
Because this is what someone makes when they stop believing that anything matters.
It's trash.
He just comes across as a douchebag who thinks he is funny, when he isn't.
Ragnarok > Thor > The Dark World >>>>>>>>>>> Love and Thunder
Trash movie. Marvel now thinks that they can get away with anything these days....and so badly written movies and shows keeps piling up in MCU...
Waititi is so ignorant with the lore he’s adapting as well. Valhalla isn’t Heaven. It’s the place where half the fallen warriors of each battle go, selected and guided by the Valkyries, which happens because that’s where they train for Ragnarok. See how many issues that one sentence had?
Ragnarok has happened, so Valhalla is not a thing anymore, the Valkyries have supposedly been eradicated save for one, so there’s no one to escort the fallen there, and Jane wouldn’t have a good time at all if she went to Valhalla. She was a regular person for 99.5% of her life, and now she’d be in a place where she’d have to be in battles every single day for the rest of eternity, with no superpowers. That’s hell for a regular 21st century person.
Great point! Ragnarok is done and there are no active Valkyries. I didn't realize this huge storytelling failure. I guess Marvel doesn't give a crap about their own storytelling lore or the myths that they appropriate.
Taika Waititi is equivalent to Amy Schumer. He thinks he's funny and constantly tells jokes, but gets no laughs
Weeeeeeell, his other films are great. He just needs to leave the MCU alone.
We saw him kill just one God in the most anticlimactic way lol. This movie was pure trash.
They need to stop letting T.W. do interviews. Being high AF isn't funny and he always looks like he is a half a line away from going psycho.
All they want these days is:
1-make men (white especially) look and act stupid and usless.
2-a whole bunch of gay references.
3-throw in lots of jokes and cgi because we can't be creative enough to have an epic movie.
How can they make an epic movie if they want the heros to be useless? So they fill it with jokes and bad cgi. Some bull shit scenes where he can all of a sudden give power to bunch of kids. It seems like they are writing as they go.
Imagine if Gorr was a disillusioned Asgardian and the first god he killed was Lady Sif
Interesting......
As an mcu fan, imagine even I found thor extremely annoying.
So true - all of it. Absolute garbage. This film has singlehandedly put the MCU back bigtime. If Ragnarok was Batman Forever, this is Batman and Robin.
I wasn’t a fan of Ragnarok either - I could see then where Taika was going to take Thor if he was given another film to make. My heart sunk more and more the further into the film I got. Utter shite. What the hell is Kevin Feige doing? Why he didn’t see a workprint of this and stop the damn thing?
Ragnarok was the beginning of the end of the HULK.
The only good thing about this movie is that audiences finally started realizing Waititi is a one trick pony and a talentless one at that
Its pure trash.
Disagree
@@serwinzzalot9989 It’s alright, one day you’ll graduate elementary school and you’ll see what we’re saying.
I wouldn’t be surprised if the “Infinity Cones” gag was so Taika could please the Disney Park marketing team. The more toy models he gives, the more money he makes.
Chris Hemsworth, having a room temperature IQ, hates Thor and is a bad influence on Taika. That would explain his fall from grace. Hey, let's just laugh and have fun! - Marvel: "we're in!"
Gorr was such a great villain in the comic. He's nothing in the movie. Just another disposable MCU villain.
I blame it all on Melissa McCarthy...that woman could make any plot horrible...I swear she has never been in a movie better then a 3...I think she might be a talent vampire.
It's all taika..he wrote it..he made all the decisions.. he fucked this up ..and he meant to.. he wanted to piss off the fans.. who knows why..he said it.. America can have him, he's not a kiwi now.. we aren't up our own asses, sniffing our own farts , like he is nowadays..
The opening scene with Gor and the God is why I don't watch modern movies anymore. Just disgustingly disappointing.
Killed the MCU for me. Jumped the shark and Nuked the Fridge.
For real though...its Disney...this is mostly Disneys fault...they are incapable of allowing any serious themes to be explored. Their only message is always, 'love is super good people'
if a film is bad, any self respecting director would blame him/herself, because it's true: it's the director's job to manage all the internal and external factors to create something good out of the chaos.
u cant even pass the blame to the writer because taika wrote the script.
The problem is they let taika do whatever he wanted.. Ragnorok was good, because it was written by someone else..someone who knew what they were doing. .taika actually took pride in not knowing ANYTHING about the characters, even said he was making something to piss off the fans!! Ego much!? As a fellow kiwi, I disown him..he's lost to hollyweird, and he's quickly disappearing up his own ass..ifnot tessa's.. just gross, whole disgusting attitude..
No the problem is they apparently really give directors latitude out of respect and or contractual aggreements. But the downside risk is to great.
He lost his friends and home. Taika why don't you take Thor friends seriously. Why don't you take losing his home seriously.
Gorr felt like a knockoff Pennywise in this film and not the “ god butcher “ .
A few weeks ago I watched Multiverse of Madness on Disney+, I legit thought what the hell is happening with marvel. I was disappointed at first with Wanda Vision and all that Loki crap we got, but it really went downhill after that. I mean, their purpose earlier was to entertain the audience with a meaningful plot with fiction that really excites us, they were earning a lot back then too, but now it is all about fan service and "the agenda" to lure a certain audience. This one I didn't really bother to go and watch, found a clip on the internet of the first 10 minutes and oh lord how happy I was to not pay for this utter shit. Marvel phase 4 really sucks at some different level, and at the worst time when DC is delivering better movies and we have shows like The Boys.
I couldn't believe what I was watching
The motivation of Gorr fails flat in the middle of the movie. He wants to kill all the gods, because they´re selfish. So his plan is to kidnap children. But if Gods don´t care, why would Thor bother to risk his life to save the Kids? And If Thor does care, doesn´t it prove to Gorr he is wrong? And why do not wish for the ressurrection of his daughter from the begining?
Yep yep. They completely missed an opportunity there. Because Thor could have proven Gorr wrong by showing that not all gods are bad, and reversely, I think Thor should have questioned his place as a God when he found out Zeus was a piece of shit. A lot of missed opportunities for great character depth.
Me being a person who's mother died from cancer it was a spit in the face.
Damn man, I'm very sorry
Sorry to hear that buddy. I've also seen cancer, and it ain't this.........I can't even imagine what people who were truly affected by it thought.
My mother died too from cancer ! i'm sorry for your loss. I was very uncomfortable how funny they treated cancer.... even cancer to them was a joke ! I miss my mom.
"And she kicks so much ass with the hammer after only having like 1 or 2 days of training. She flies perfectly, throws it perfectly and moves around like a true warrior. Thor's had thousands of years of practice while she's had like 16 hours and she's just as good as him. [...] No build up, no earned moment, it just kinda comes out of nowhere. She didn't even earn the power because of who she is as a person."
Me, a Star Wars fan who hates Rey for this exact reason: "First time?"
You say it isn't 'woke' and while I hate that word because it feels like it trivializes the criticisms, everything you described is part of the problem of new 'woke' characters. Unearned powers granted to a flawless character of a seemingly underrepresented group after which they are flawless with the power despite no training or practice whatsoever. That is why they are called tokens. They're not actual characters.
Hahaha I actually might like Rey a little more because she didn't say anything that was offensively cringe like Jane did. But they are very similar in that regard. Not earning their powers and being lazily written. I would say it's leaning on "woke" if she replaced Thor in the end, but she didn't so that was good.
@@Dylasophical if Portman actually wanted to stay on, I could see them doing that but I'm pretty sure she only.came back for the paycheck
@@Dylasophical Thor has been replaced, he is now a "fratboy" moron who should be named Bro. How someone that has lived 1,500+years is that dumb is beyond my understanding.
i like how people try to defend this movie by saying it's a comedy. i'm like even still it's not funny, you can't honestly tell me you think this movie is funny. fanboys are the worst, they are one the reason that these movies will keep being shit. cause they can't give constructive feedback everything has to be positive with them.
It kind of seems like making a wish on Eternity is easier than collecting the six infinity stones to make a wish. Less deadly too.
I didn't hate the movie, but it sure made me hate Taika Waititi. I've only seen his other movie Ragnarok and that's all I needed, I never need to hear another Taika Waititi joke again.
Taika really needs a cool pill or needs a really good down to Earth assistant for he is way too hyperactive for his own good. If one has seen his interviews, they know what I'm talking about. He is a positive man with good intentions, but needs to grow up some.
I’m sick of Marvel and what their doing with the MCU I’ve actually for once skipped a Marvel installment twice. I skipped Ms Marvel, and now I’m skipping this one. I can’t stand what their doing to this once beautiful franchise, over 10 years of build up just to be wrecked in only 2 installments.
2:45
-Philosophical Pickle: Who was he? Where was he?
-A nobody watching this video: Why was he?
Funny! funnier than every single attempt at humor in the entire Thor Love and Thunder movie.
Fantastic!
remember, taika said in interview that gorr would be the best villain in mcu just before this film came out. by that time the film has been screened for the studio execs, so he would know the reactions were not what he was hoping for. yey he forged ahead saying gorr would be the best, as if trying to convince himself the reactions were wrong.
i think the life lesson here is... stay humble and dont talk shit. ragnarok's success and his oscar have made him think he can do the f he wants and people will just love it.
He can’t produce quality to save his life, when he was saying Gorr was the best villain, I was like “sure he is, buddy, sure he is”.
I’ll like to know who green light this shit, it fell like a parody of a marvel movie. The cgi is shit, bad jokes thought out the movie, really bad villain almost everything is bad
The lady Thor part was so fucking Cringe, get Taika tfo marvel
and get rid of the person above who approved Taika's script and greenlit that film.
THANK YOU! This movie was a dumb mess AND IT HAS SO MUCH PADDING!? It only got a 120-minute runtime and Taika needed three flashbacks with him narrating it? It's so ridiculous and anaemic like they didn't even write the script before filming. Also why is Thor talking like George of the Jungle? He's not just dumbed down he's horribly out of place in this. I can't believe that no-one in the marvel camp looked at the dailies and went "oh no we need rewrites".
Also yes, you're right why didn't they expand on Bale's characters backstory? They had the time, but they didn't do anything with him. It's just not a good movie overall, all the components are there but the script and the directing let it down immensely.
the best part is, its marvel fans who are upset about this film being bad, yet other marvel fans fighting those same fans saying they will just hate on anything.. i dont understand the marvel fandom.....
Same in the star wars Fandom. Butthurt people who cant accept that people have opinions and don't like everything they like
It's disappointing that Marvel's best project in this Phase was Shang Chi, which i thought was just okay.
The Eternals actually looks better and better compared to what's coming out now. Very very sad, and a trend of the main character being sidelined is also ruining the movies, with Thor, Doctor Strange, and black widow.
I agree 100% about your opinions on Thor (the character) Thor's “character growth” was barely allowing him to grow as a character. He just stays the same jocky man child he was from the first Thor movie. Having him not learned a damn thing throughout his own arc. It's all just jokes and rock music and alcohol and more jokes and more alcohol and even more jokes... Did I forget to say jokes? Yeah a whole lot of jokes. Even when they try to take something very serious they still have to add a layer of comedy to it. And the final battle was way too cartoony and clownish. Like why would I care about a little girl shooting laser beams out of her teddy bear. This movie doesn't feel like that much of a Thor movie nor does it feel like a “superhero”movie. The writing for this movie feels like fanfiction written and given to the studio by a drunk and toxic fan. Like I said before this movie feels so average.
Due to some of the lack of continuity control in latter day MCU films Thor actually showed all his growth as a hero and was in peak form in Infinity War but yeah everything else since then (and at the same time with Ragnarok, not sure which was first) he's just a dumb jock male bimbo for women to swoon at (or loser in Endgame.)
@@jbbrolic yeah. Pretty much everything you said.
This movie was horrible. A huge disappointment. A sad attempt of trying to be funny on what should have been a more serious movie considering Gods were actually being killed. Gorr was nothing like this in the comics. Gorrs character development seemed very rushed. The Gods that were alive seemed to be imbeciles. The only thing good were the special effects. Those goats should have been put on a spit over an open fire. Yes they were in the comics but no need for that abnoxious sound through out the entire movie. We get that they are loud. This director should stop making Thor movies. As for the music it's very similar to some animated films that use one artist. Spirit : Stallion of the Cimarron is a good example using Brian Adams for the soundtrack. . Basically it was a very long Guns and Roses video. I am so glad I streamed it and didn't have to shell out movie prices to go see it. To reiterate, it was a huge, no massive disappointment and a disservice to the Thor comic book lore, more so Gorr the God Killer.
There should be a refund for everyone who paid their hard earned money for.
Thank goodness I saw it for free.
Thor is annoying I agree I can’t stand how stupid they made him Infinity War Thor was the perfect version of Thor.
Raga rock and infinity war thor were so good
In all fairness, Chalkzone was a badass Saturday morning cartoon
22:41 so I guess that means Mjolnir was also killing Cap, Vision, Odin, Thor and all the other people that have picked the thing up? Just another of the awful parts to this horrible movie.
I agree with you in almost all your points, but I think Jane entered the Valhalla because she was fighting cancer, THAT was her battlefield and she died still fighting it. In the Norse mythology, the women entered the Valhalla if they die giving birth. I believe is a similar context.
That's a stretch
Well if that's the case, it wasn't explained AT ALL lol
@@coffiebreak2236 not really
In Norse mythology, the Valkyries escorted half the fallen warriors of each battle to Valhalla to train and prepare for Ragnarok. You realize Waititi has already taken a massive dump on this by that sentence alone, right? The purpose of Valhalla is for the warriors to fight each other daily, die, and be raised back at night to celebrate. This is great for warriors who were raised to fight and kill, and see glory in it, but it’s hell for someone like Jane.
@@Dylasophical right guess I’m supposed to read tigas mind🤷♂️my fault clearly I’m not a true marvel fan.
I lost it when you said that Ragnarok was great
I'm glad you enjoyed that comment LOL
3.75 out of 10 ? My friend, you are way too kind. This was hot garbage ! a 0 out of 10
Thank you for addressing how Jane getting the hammer was so poorly and stupidly done! It was at that moment I realized that this movie is gonna suck.
Yeah, I was surprised that something that should have been very meaningful was essentially glossed over. What a waste of potential epic-ness.
What I absolutely hate about the mcu is when they do the villain is bad because some magic corrupted their soul. Which is exactly what they did with Gorr and you didn't mention. That's why he chose to resurrect his daughter after they broke the sword. So you were wrong about that final scene
But that's a problem because it didn't explain HOW much it was corrupting him. Even before he grabs the sword, he is visibly angry and disowns his god, so he was already angry at the gods. It wasn't clear how much the sword was changing him, so I didn't believe his final decision in the end.
@@Dylasophical Tbh it's mentioned several times throughout. Even the sword whispers ''kill all the Gods.'' Definitely sucks that marvel keep copping out of character development for ''the magic made me do it.'' Might be cool to mention in another video?
Also he renounces one god because of his daughter's death, not all gods
@@Simple1DEA It's mentioned in passing twice. They didn't show us who he was BEFORE the sword, so there was no contrast to who he had become. Even if they did mention it. And he was clearly angry enough to renounce his faith, so it's safe to assume he wasn't fond of gods after that. But the problem is that it was never clear. He didn't get enough time to flesh out his story in a clear way. It was all surface level garbage. And yeah, almost all of their villains are sympathetic now. It's nice to get a straight up evil villain like Hela or Green Goblin.
@@Dylasophical @Philosophical Pickle I agree Gorr was done so poorly. Thor explains how the necrosword is corrupting him to Jane half way through the movie then Jane replies, ''so the sword is infecting him?'' Tbh I don't think they could've explained it any clearer than that. I agree about all the garbage around Gorr but the idea to kill all the gods was the sword's idea and not Gorr was clearly set up before the ending scene. This movie was all kindergarten level storytelling.
For me it wasn't safe to assume that. When Gorr says ''I renounce you (singular)'' and the sword whispers to him ''kill all the gods'' that's enough to spell it out for me. In that entire opening scene Gorr has no single thought or bit of dialogue related to any other god than the one that didn't save his daughter before he wielded the sword. It's likely you and other audience members had preconceived notions about Gorr that you carried on into the film.
@@Dylasophical Also the fact that every past wielder of the sword has had exactly the same motivation. Honestly there's loads of times they mention it. This is a kids movie so they wanted to make sure kids understood all of it. I get that this movie was too painful to pay attention
Gorr is strong enough to be the bad guy against all the avengers. Not one crap movie
My theory is that Jane died a god and gods don't need to die in battle to go to valhalla
Jane got into the Vallhala because she died in the battle with cancer.
Ok okfair
Cannot agree more. I’m disappointed this movie has already made as much as it has. Money speaks and I pray that more and more people don't reward Taika 'I'll ruin your mythos in a minute, baby' Waititi and the woke, post Endgame MCU went full unoriginal, lazy, formulaic hack on this one and tried to cash in on and rehash Ragnarok's same exact beats but with the cringe, kiddie humour dialed up to 11 and at the expense of Thor, who was entirely character assassinated..
This is the worst MCU movie I've ever seen. A tonal catastrophe, muddled, far too short, jokes at every single second and, as I say, Thor has been entirely character assassinated to be a bumbling, insufferable (now the Guardians look bored and annoyed whenever he's doing anything), silly idiot who weeps at movies on dates with Jane, calls his hammer like it's a dog and annoys everyone he's around (Heimdall's son gets bored of him and tells him to go away, the Guardians look exasperated by him now being an idiot, Valkryie and Jane look at him like a fool when he, for some random reason, falls out of the Bifrost and destroys part of New Asgard like he accidentally destroys the temple of the people he's trying to save). I am astonished how bad this movie is. You get brief moments where Thor acts like Thor but then he resumes being this new airhead simpleton jock character that Taika and Chris are loving to turn him into. It's such a shame, there's a really brilliant outline here but it's just absolutely saturated, stuffed to the gills with silliness and tension breaking comedy and character assassination (with Thor). Like Gorr. Bale is predictably phenomenal as him but he’s so, so underutilised and they completely avoid some of the best moments of his comic run like the Godbomb and deny him any kind of actual character like: Is he evil or is it just the sword whispering to him and manipulating him, it’s never explained? We literally get an hour and 20 minutes into this movie that doesn’t even reach 2 hours long, before we actually get a meaningful, legitimate conversation between Thor and Gorr, aside from one fight where they throw a few small exchanges with no substance. We see next to none of his brutality against the Gods like in the comic where it’s more of a haunting, murder mystery involving Gods being hunted like prey, tortured extensively and butchered. He’s truly tame here. He kills one God at the beginning of the movie, Thor finds Sif in the aftermath of his next butchering (they don’t even explain why she’s been gone for about 9 years in universe and instead make time for jokes despite her having lost an arm) and then Zeus references some killings. That’s literally it. You get absolutely nothing in terms of actual God butchering. Where was his torture of Thor from the comics? Why didn’t they write it so that Gorr had met Thor years before like in the comics? He’s so disappointingly handled and truly, truly surface level, a Malekith/Ivan Vanko level of mishandling and lack of care by the script. unfortunately for Bale.
And again, seriously, why is Thor an absolute bumbling, aloof, head in the clouds simpleton now? Seriously, did he get CTE from all his years fighting bad guys? He acts like someone who's not all there and the joke is that the characters are written and directed to mirror that. Notice how loads of times in the movie, characters look annoyed or bored with Thor, like he's a bad smell, because he's written to act like an annoying, absent-minded screw up? He flies away and then...for some reason...smashes into and breaks one of the pillars in New Asgard, much to the dismay of the people, which already is a copy of an earlier part of the movie where he smashes the sacred temple that the whole point was to preserve? And it's all because of Taika's obsessive need to write jokes for 4-year-olds. It is literally farting in the bathtub, laughing at the bubbles level of humour. Taika Waititi forgot the first rule: Never go full retard.
And why did Thor go back to using Mjolnir? Obviously it’s his longstanding weapon in the comics but in the context of the MCU, Stormbreaker (exclusively Beta Rey Bill’s in the comic) was the upgrade, the King’s weapon, why did he regress back to Mjolnir? I'm honestly shocked how awful it is. Thank God I didn't pay money to be disappointed by this and fund the Mouse. Oh, and I adored Ragnarok. Absolutely loved it, aside from the odd one or two goofy moments that encapsulate this entire movie. That's the problem. Taika saw what people loved in Ragnarok (playing popular rock music over Thor - 4 Guns N Roses tracks, 4?!, I love Guns but 4 tracks from the same band as well as a character being named after them and Guns being referenced? - the play scene with Matt Damon, Luke Hemsworth and Sam Neil, Thor shrieking like a little girl at the Grandmaster) and just turned that all up to 11 and repeated it all again but without any rhyme or reason. I haven't seen Eternals, which people gave bad reviews, but this movie is just appallingly bad. It's exactly as advertised though. A spoiled, 6 year old's fever dream of a movie, which is exactly what Hemsworth and Waititi said it would be, that Waititi had the 'imagination of a child' but sadly the MCU, banking on Ragnarok's success, let him have free reign to butcher Thor. Now I know how the people who hated Ragnarok felt for what they saw as Thor being made into a goofy idiot. I didn't feel that there but I 100% felt it here. ‘I’ll ruin your mythos in a minute baby’. Thanks Taika, you did.
completely agree with you. Marvel movies are best when they stay true to who the character is which is why I absolutely love Iron Man 1, Winter Soldier to name some examples. Go read over 50 years of Thor comics ( like I have ) and you will learn he is not a comedic buffoon at all. He is over 1500 years old and I am certain in that time he should have developed wisdom, especially since he needs to exercise his wisdom in order to be the ruler of Asgard (Thor movie #1) but since then he has abandoned that course to become a comedic buffoon. Even the way he talks is annoying; listen to the way he speaks when the unfunny screaming goats are first introduced, very cringe inducing. Why his character is forced in this direction actually makes me very frustrated because of what they could have created.
@@Thynqikan 100%. Thor in the comics is, to me, equal to Captain America as an absolute beacon of hope and goodness. I love when he fights alone against Glory to protect the earth, the planet he most loves, given that he is it's protector and son of Gaea. He is by far my favourite comic character and I am absolutely routinely appalled by how they turn him into a 30 IQ idiot who is simply detestable because he's suddenly had an off-screen aneurysm. Thor in the comics might not be a scientific genius but he is intelligent and wise and his status as a God is something very much respected among the Avengers and other heroes.
He's a force to be reckoned with, but also a very real, very useful help, for any in the universe. They've now introduced the Celestials, how amazing would it have been to show Thor alone against the Celestials, battling to save Pangoria from their Judgement? But no. He is now a total clown, an absolutely useless imbecile who confuses and bores the surrounding characters and the audience. You are absolutely spot on, them refusing him to be King in favour of Valkryie 'the enslaver' who twice refused him helping their people in favour of him remaining as a slave for the Grandmaster, before she then actively went to hunt him down only to be guilt tripped by Loki, was a very telling moment for me in Endgame, I was so disappointed. He should have been made King, and it would have coincided perfectly with him becoming King just a few years back. They should be ashamed for plummeting this brilliant character, who rightfully should act as the MCU's bridge to the cosmos, same as he was in the comics.
I didn't hate it either but it was sad and Thor deserves better. Gorr was pretty cool though because of Bale's acting and Gorr's powers. I even liked Jane for the most part at least when she had her powers she seemed cool and kinda humble Portman's performance is the good bit. Her randomly having this power makes no sense though and her abrupt power up was rank bullshit.... idk I just liked her in some parts I guess. God Butcher comic was 1000x better. Gorr should've had a longer exposition... and the swords ties to Hella and Knull should have been explained. Wish he got to the part where he crucified a bunch of gods, especially Volstagg. He should have also wanted revenge for his entire species and his personal family. Also why didn't we get Gorr killing gods in the past when Thor was young, or Thor answering people's prayers on Indigar.... only to find Gorr killed Indigar's old gods. The scene where Thor made it rain on that planet and saved a bunch of aliens he knew nothing about and then told the people not to worship him but to take care of each other was beautiful in the book and they didn't put it in.... this movie failed.
Gorr for what this movie was did a great job and was the better villain in the MCU so far! Thor is a joke and it’s sad to see him this way! ✌🏽
wilson fisk and his car door got a thing to say
It would’ve been better if Thor’s old hammer chose Jane and it made her worthy of the power of Thunder. Maybe she rescues some children who were being attacked and got one of the monsters attention. The monster throws Jane and is slowly dying from that attack the monster slowly walks to Jane and Jane desperately crawls away, then she reaches out her hand and the hammer glows and flies to Jane’s hand and is now the Might Thor. Maybe Thor and Jane have this student teacher moment where Thor trains Jane on using her new found power but the hammer is slowly repairing itself and is not at full power. Thor warns Jane is she were to use a great amount of power from the hammer it will break and she will die. That forces Jane to think about how to use her powers, maybe for the climax Thor tries to convince Jane to take Stormbreaker and he takes his old hammer, because maybe throughout the movie Thor feels a sort of survivors guilt over the death of his friends, family, the Asgardians Thanos killed, and the destruction of the home. Maybe he thinks himself as a failure as a hero, a son, a brother, and as a king, but maybe if he could sacrifice himself to save Jane’s life, the only love he’s ever known and possibly the last person Thor could still possibly protect, maybe in his eyes he won’t fail as a man. But Jane sacrifices himself instead and that is a correlation of both Gorr and Thor that maybe these two are two sides of the same coin. Maybe Gorr also feels survivors guilt on what happened to his planet and his daughter. Thor convinces Gorr to not go through with his plan to kill all the gods. Maybe Gorr sees the humanity within Thor. He sees his pain and feels his pain as well. That could’ve been an interesting story of Thor learning to forgive himself.
Ooooooo, you have some interesting ideas there!
Sadly, you're forgetting Thanos killed half the Asgardians and then more probably got dusted..
Yeah I remember lol
You'd think this would have made him become an overprotective king, instead of hiding and eventually abandoning his people. He left in charge some slaver who never regretted the things she did for the Grand Master. This after just learning about the importance of Asgard as a people, and not just a place.
Dude this was an excellent breakdown. That stupid lightning bolt was never necessary to fight gore, and in the context of the movie, how powerful thor was he didn't need help with gore. We need the Russo's to take on Thor 5
The whole movie appears rushed
Sif was so underused It's not even funny
This might be the first MCU movie I didn't like. Seriously, I enjoyed every other MCU movie EXCEPT this one.
I understand completely.....
Even Thor 2 and ironman 2 ?
@@robertrogers074 YES!
Yes it was the worst mcu film to date
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im just going to point this out because you don't seem like the type of person who would be ~offended~ by what I'm going to say
when everyone talks about jane's character, why is that we never mention the ableist stereotypes...no actually. the death and supercrip? why are reviewers just neglecting it and therefore normalizing it? personally, I'm not mad she didn't look "sick," because disabilities and chronic illnesses shouldn't be justified by visibility. it makes a lot of the ableism I face frustrating.
*read this in a neutral/friendly conversational tone*
She is literally terminally ill with cancer and her Thor powers remove her body’s ability to fight said cancer, the criticism isn’t that people with disabilities have to look sick it’s that SHE should not look like she walked off a screening of project runway. I understand the frustration with people thinking you have to look sick to be sick but I really don’t feel it’s ableism to expect your terminally ill character who’s on their death bed to look a little yucky and not dolled up for the camera.
Sorry to hear that you face that. I'm honestly not sure what you mean. When someone has stage 4 cancer, they don't just look like they have a cold. They puke, they shit themselves, their faces are shrunken in, they lose their hair, etc. Not always, but most of the time it is a torturous thing to witness. If they wanted us to really feel the impact, they dropped the ball.
Easily the worst movie I have seen this year
Was so look I over the top gay
First line I can understand
But the second I can't
@@kulubot6534 The Second means it's too woke because GAY
@@kulubot6534 he tried..
I realized the MCU was going down hill after they made Harry Styles the brother of Thanos. Why did the MCU take one of the best characters, Thanos, and make his brother some wimpy kid? 🤣🤔🤨😐😵🥴🤒😤🥱 (Not sure why we don't talk about this)
I just didn't mind, because it was a small cameo and I don't really care about Starfox lol
I think most people want to act like eternals never happened
So thor and mjolnir can travel a billion miles per hour to the center of the universe to catch up to gorr. Also shouldn't the gods have respect for thor for fighting thanos the being that can kill all of them
I agree with the most disappointing besides Iron Man 3. I've never understood why people liked that film when it had the worst bait-and-switch I've ever seen with the villain, (and the CGI one we got was terrible)... and 75% of the movie was Robert Downey Jr. being swarmy or nice to some random kid and NOT Iron Man. But yeah... this movie actively annoyed me.
19:49 "A-Fuck"
"A-Off"
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I almost spit my drink out when he said that
It’s crazy to me how marvel couldn’t make this work when it so easily could’ve. Deadpool 1 and 2 are the funniest marvel movies imo and they deal with cancer, depression, suicide attempts, losing loved ones, child abuse etc. Those movies never have the comedy take away from the seriousness of the topics. Marvel could’ve used Deadpool as the blueprint for how to deal with Jane’s cancer but instead they chose not to for whatever reason. I feel like they were just trying to rush this movie out in hopes of satisfying fans of Ragnarok
Exactly. That movie has a few moments where the comedy wouldn't let up, but it had some real emotional scenes after he found out he had cancer. Plus, it's Deadpool! It's supposed to be silly.
the goofball silly humor has no business being in a Thor movie because Thor isn't a goofball. Go read 50 years of Thor comics and you will see what we mean. The comedy works like a charm in Deadpool because that is who he is.
I couldn’t disagree more. Deadpool shouldn’t be used as a the blueprint for Thor. Thor is Thor. Plain and simple yes there is time for humor and light hearted moments but why can’t the darker and heavy themes be taken more serious. Why can’t serious matter be played out with the weight of its severity. Completely done with Marvel brand of humor and making every character a whity comedian
Ragnarok wasn't good. It was jokey and stupid with a shit ton of plot contrivances.
Period
MCU is sinking badly. Used to be a big fan, now not so much. Even the TV shows started out good Wanda, Loki, Falcon and winter soldier...then Hawkeye, moonknight, marvel girl.....just awful stuff. Every Marvel movie this year has been a disappointment. Yes even Spiderman men, the best of the bunch.
Yes. All of us are distracted by the amount of fan services and cameos in SpideyNWH, but the real story is very underwhelming
I don’t know I thought mrs marvel was good
Spider-man No Way Home is the only Marvel film I liked this year. It made me emotionally invested: I cared about the characters and that seems a rare thing in MCU movies these days.
@@juanitacanon3120 its just my opinion.
@@iwrotethis9290 No way home is the 5th best Spiderman movie (Spiderman 1-3 despite the studio interference in 3, ASM and for me ASM2 because I don't like Holland's acting at all.) Like anything halfway tolerable in the 2020s it gets a massively inflated rating because of the general dearth of quality movies coming out.
Tails waititi isn’t bad unless he inserts im himself into the movie then he just puts too many unfunny jokes
The part that hammered home for me how badly this was executed was the fact the emotional impact of the ending was predicated on Thor having a relationship with a character we don't know at all. I mean I'm watching the final scene and nothing, and then I go "Ohhhhh! I'm supposed to care about this..."
Right? I'm like, oh great Thor's finally a father? Wait, when did it ever get established that what was missing in his life was a child? Does that mean this movie's message is basically that when you don't know what to do with your life, have a kid? Really, Taika?
@@derek96720 would have been cool if he finally embraced his role as king with Lady Sif as his queen. Then they had children of their own.
@@DavidMartinez-ce3lp meh not really
@@juanitacanon3120 I would want to see him mature across the films, and finally grow up. Accepting his role as King, and being a father himself. Where he has to make big decisions like Odin did on behalf of his people. Maybe even help the non realms deal with the after math of the snap. There's a lot you could do there, but the most important part is that it would end his story. Every story needs and end, and every hero needs a conclusion to their journey.
The shtick was tiring since the beginning. You got what you deserved supporting the trash character assassination of Hulk and Thor in Ragnorok. :) Just saying.
Hahahaha, "You get what you fucking deserve!"
All your points are 100% correct ! and about his daughter we didin't care.... and about Gorr only killed one God.... and about those fucking goats. This movie is embarrassing indeed !
My movie theatre was dead silent throughout this whole movie I never heard a chuckle
Sorry to hear about the dragons you're up against, mate. Great job on the video. Good points raised.
Thanks buddy!
They gave taika way to much power of the movie he didn’t even did research on the stories and he fucked up gorr
I've just rewatched Ragnarok and I can now see that even though I liked it, it really skates the edge of being too silly and undercuts serious moments in favour of jokes, that aren't always funny. So it was definitely a warning. Disney obviously let Taika have his own way for L&T and it's just too much with the non funny jokes ruining any moment of seriousness. You make some great points, hardly any critic seems to point out the sheer ridiculous bad plotting at the start where Gorr suddenly and with no explanation meets his douchebag god who helpfully tells him about the weapon which is just there next to him🙄 And yet that's one of the only times we get to see Gorr. Meanwhile it feels like so much screen time is wasted on incredibly unfunny pointless scenes, like the dumb play, the axe hammer thor triangle, the scene in god city. So many plot holes and so much wasted potential...
That’s always been the thing. I never really thought ragnarok was a bad movie but it was always a horrible adaptation. It’s like writing the best English paper of your educational career and turning it in for chemistry class. The storylines that movie adapted could not have been less fitting for a goofy 80s vibe. Planet Hulk was like marvel’s alien Spartacus and ragnarok was basically the Norse apocalypse. Funny moments aren’t bad in and of themselves and ragnarok had some emotional moments but they never really had time to leave an impression because the next moment would just distract you with more bright cheeriness. Thor never even showed any reaction to learning his childhood friends were slaughtered as quickly as if they were trying to arrest palpatine. The ragnarok movie is kind of like if you adapted the Iliad as a comedy musical. Like it might end up being actually goofy and fun but what’s the point of ruining a grand and epic story, just make a new one or find an existing story that already would lend itself to that style better
I walked out of Ragnarok thinking that was shite too, but everyone LOVES it! That this film takes place in a world where classics like Winter Soldier and Infinity Wat exists is beyond me.
Even hearing the name “god city” shows me that he didn’t care about this film in the slightest they could’ve named it oh Idk mount OLYMPUS the could have gotten rid of Korg and it wouldn’t have changed a scene he gets more screen time than the fucking villain 🤦just the dumbest shit ever “god city” who wrote this a man child that’s who
Basically Gorr was right Thor didnt learn anything all he did was get a daughter
Its funny how they introduced Jane as The new Thor. And killed her off right away. This pisses the F**k out of me. Lile seriously. I threw my popcorn down at the thesters. I was fumming. I was like motherf******s.!!!!
I’m glad you’re off camera!!!!…. It’s more entertaining, graphics and all
I'm glad you're glad!
@@Dylasophical I’m glad you’re glad that I’m glad keep up the good work
But you should see Marvel fanboys on the official trailer 🤣 they freaking buy anything Disney throws to them .. I’m laughing my ass off right now by the comments on the black panther teaser ..
Jeez.. I myt have to take some heavy meds before I go there.. lol.. I'll end up getting.. oh I don't even wanna think about that right now.. how does one stay so ..stupid!? These morons are feeding the beast! Least they are poor..they don't seem to be paying their bills lol.. all thos crap is flopping, and it's gunna get MUCH worse! Lol
Don't get me started on that.
Even trashy she hulk the shills are delusional