The Death Of The Girlboss?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 ก.ย. 2024
- The recent flop of Madame Web has caused mainstream media outlets to make a shocking admission - women don't watch all that many superhero movies. But what does this mean for the future? And coming after a disastrous series of female-led flops, could we be witnessing the death of the cinematic girlboss?
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Nothing says “out of touch” like making movies for women, and then getting mad at men for not being interested in them.
And the kicker? Men are the ones who go to these movies; not women.
I‘d say the most out of touch people in a society are those that dress the most ridiculous 😂, Hollywood fits the bill and their are other examples throughout history
Well the men should just love the fact that they are becoming obsolete and enjoy whatever is left that they clearly don’t deserve. Apparently.
Well, judging by the numbers women are not buying tickets either. Most women are not that stupid
@@LordVulcan93 Those men are beta males
These screenwriters need to understand that smugness is a villainous character trait and humility is a heroic one.
Yep same with being vindictive
& wanting revenge.
@@elongatedmanforever1252 If used correctly, it could be an interesting flaw written for the character. Though, God knows it's not being used that way as of right now.
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This is a very concise way to put it. Well done sir.
Also been noticing the way beauty and purity is villianized. As in women can’t be beautiful and kind and soft.
Hollywood:
"How much money do we have to lose before we learn the lesson?"
"Yes."
They dont need to learn a lesson seens they are founded by company that owns all the money in the world " BlackRock" and they dont care about losses if its for pushing the MESSAGE.
Bro Strat watches the drinker,cool af
All of the monies. ALL OF IT.
A corporation is paying all these entertainment to push agendas If they don’t fall in line then they lose all funding.
@@madkoala2130 It gotta be hard to be afraid of every fucking thing :D
The biggest flop of the female boss concept is that they constantly try to make these female leads flawless characters, giving them zero complexity and no room for growth. Captain marvel, she-hulk, and rey palpatine are the same person from the beginning of their appearances to the end.
agreed
Every female character is written like a Steven Seagal movie or One Punch Man. Those 2 things are interesting because they are not the norm; even then they lose their appeal after awhile. There is a reason the trope of a hero losing then coming back is so prevalent. Every now and then a Seagal or OPM throws a nice alternative into the mix, but you cant have every single character in every movie/TV show be like that.
And every single female character is written that way. It would get tiring and old if every male character is written that way, too. And thats why most strong male characters are always overcoming and powering up over a movie and generally losing at some point before pulling themselves off the canvas.
The problem with growth is that when it is actually done for a good reason, it usually implies that the person in question had a need to grow beforehand. You cant really have a character that shows growth without first showing them being immature, AND actually suffering the consequences of it. But since modern hollywood doesnt dare to EVER show women facing consequences, they cant have that kind of character arc. They must already start at the finish line of the race, because showing them struggling to learn how to run is deemed offensive.
They tried to pretend that Rey needed to train at the start of her third movie, though.
its because male hero movies are more or less based on reality where it counts, making them relatable to men by showing the extreme struggles most men go through to succeed. these political activist writers can't acknowledge reality, they need to push their "women are better than men" agenda, and so they make things that require a lot of work and effort for men just come freely and easily to women, all the while the male characters will be so unrealistic and unrelated to men (just bumbling privileged idiots who mess things up despite them being "easy"), and EVERY struggle the mary sue character will run into is because of these inferior men.
*putting on clown makeup meme*
-Make our female protagonist perfect with no flaws
-Give her an abrasive personality where people will not like her
-Have her win everything and not learn anything
-Why do audiences hate strong female characters?
-quick blame the same audience
You forgot "Make every single male character a dumb sexist coward so the female protagonist looks better in comparison".
Also let her sexually harass/assault men without their consent and treat it as “comedy” but go full rage mode the moment a guy mentions she’s attractive
😂well said 👏
-Have a budget of 200 million dollars+ and still look cheap
I genuinely agree with everything you said - as a woman who loves action/fantasy/super hero movies I’ve been turned off by the girlboss because 1.) one note characters and lazy writing 2.) the disrespect to the male counterparts is painful. Why would I want to watch some arrogant bully instead of an honorable protector?? They missed the mark so hard
Same. I loved the MCU years ago, I love action, I love sci-fi, but I don't love this BS.
If you like reading fiction in addition to watching it. Give the web novel `A practical guide to evil` a chance. It's free and fresh. Especially compared to what Hollywood has given us the past decade
Couldn't have said it better myself. I remember when the heroes were all treated as flawed but good and decent individuals who actually cared about others instead of acting like entitled assholes who are all preachy and obnoxious.
Lol not to mention I like watching superhero movies because the guys are hot, if I want to watch a film about a strong woman I’ll watch Legally Blonde or something.
The first Wonder Woman got the female hero character so right. She respected and cared for her male team, other people.
100%. I'm old enough to remember when studios didn't hate their audiences
Hollywood follow trends, always. It's not about "loving" or "hating" the audience
You see there's a nuance here though - trends or not, this stuff must generate profit and not ruin franchises over the fucking agenda "message".
@@RRRRRRRRR33the trends are set by the audience not the world at large but there are people meddling in the “trend market”. That is the problem that big business all over the globe is having. The money (think of those who participate in WEF), is only paying and supporting their own agenda for their own gain and these businesses are told to toe the line or have their funding pulled.
@mcm The trends are set by a multitude of reasons, you are giving too much credit for the supposed "audience", there's so many kinds of audiences to begin with. It's usually all about the "conservadorism" balancing itself with the "libertarians", back in the 50s the trend was to be prudish, things boiled down with time, to a point the 80s focused a lot on sexuality (exposing the male and female bodies, action heroes, half naked women in commercials to children, etc), conservadorism took over again in the next decades, then here it comes the libertarian again, etc.. it's the same bullshit, a cycle of hypocrisy. Star Wars hired Carrie Fisher, a supposed "actress", to walk around without a bra... fast forwarding to the current trends, Rey is dressed like a nun. It's just idiotic
Nowadays people are giving too much attention to mainstream media, basing their identities on it, superheroes "representing" black culture, then you have the lonesome scum paying "streamers" to acknowledge them, etc.. I think the audience of this channel tends to act in a extremist way very similar to the "woke" trend you people love to attack. Can't you see how stupid this whole "discourse" truly is, the sheer irony? Who gives a fuck about Disney, if they are depicting "minorities" or not, if the "girlboss" is annoying or not, etc.. it's just entertainment, this kind of crap is not supposed to affect reality, but here we are, you people are taking this crap way too seriously. Life is not about the extreme "right" or "left", be on my "side" or not, this is such a immature behavior. Witnessing how you idiots reacts with such "passion", emotions taking over rationality, I guess the horseshoe theory was right all along, we only needed social media to prove it... and goddamn, it's really ugly to watch smh at least I can practice my english, so this social media "war" has it's uses
@@RRRRRRRRR33 I didn't know being pedo was a trend.
I'm a woman and I usually prefer entertainment made for men (since I was a kid and I loved the Mortal Kombat games)
But I like male entertainment *because is targeted to men* I like the archetypes, I like the hero arc, the aesthetic elements etc who men usually likes. I'm not a man, nor a tomboy, it's just my preference.
Women like me, who likes 'male stuff' exists, but we're a minority and changing what we like to pander to people with different tastes will alienate us.
@MrGiorgioloiI agree. I have no problem watching and rather enjoy a good RomCom or what some of us dinosaurs might call "Chick Flic" (that's me cancelled).
I also quite liked the unWoke female hero action series or movies. I was a big Buffy fan, loved Lucy and the female James Bond movies (Atomic Blond, Red Sparrow, Ava, Hannah) all the way back to Losey's Modesty Blaise. It's not the girl boss that's the problem it's the woke messaging and the way these things are done.
I am woman and I like good old classic shows that pander to us women saying "look girls, now we want you to be like this." I hate that.
Yeah cause when something wrote by man and for men. Its usually have sense of struggle and achievment to greatness, man want thats and like it. We need see someone struggle to succes. Iam not saying women writer is bad, but they cant accept to embrace weakness they have to achieve great things that what women writing awful in any media. While men accept we fail many times but keep back up.
It is the Bill Burr joke of Women failing the WNBA all over again.
"Cause you don't sell any fucking TICKETS!!!"😂😂
Was this before or after his wife's intervention.
@@icycrusader1947Intervention?, what are you talking about
@@oliverholmes-gunning5372
Lady ballers refernce? The moment men went to the court people started watching it.
Too bad Bill died and got replaced by a cucked clone.
As a heterosexual woman who loved superhero movies, I don't want to see a bunch of boss-babes either. Boss-babes are the women who make my job miserable. Why would I want to see them in my movies that I used to escape all that?
Good one
Is there any other kind than heterosexual? Lol
so so so glad you felt that it was necessary to include ur a str8 gurl lol
@@smokingintherental I would imagine because she preface it so you know she likes the male eye candy more than a girl boss. Was that so hard to understand. On top of it all. The constant "gay/lesbian" in every movie and show. Meaning she is straight she couldn't care less about Lesbian girl bosses.
@@smokingintherentalit is pretty necessary when theres a ton of stuff that caters to gays and lesbians
I had two tickets for Madame Web on my dashboard, but someone broke into my car and left two more. 😔
It was probably part of that migrant crime wave. They're getting more insidious by the day.
Ha ha ha ha ha goodness
😂😂😂
Man, you got me on the first half NGL
😂🤣😂
Out of the females who buy tickets to superhero movies, I'd be interested to find out how many of them buy their ticket because their son, boyfriend, husband, father or some other male influence in their life is the one who actually wants to see the movie and asked them to go.
Why does it matter tho? A ticket is a ticket. It's getting them money. People start exploring different genres for different reasons (including getting persuaded by their peers) and eventually start loving it. It's kind of similar to how most men don't watch romcoms but start getting into because of their female peers and start enjoying it.
It matters because understanding who is interested in their movies informs the studios to whom they should sell, and the demographic for these movies, in terms of sex, has not significantly changed. My point is that I bet the percentage of moviegoers who watch action and superhero movies is even more than 70% male. Moreover, I bet most are non-feminist and non-woke. Which begs the question, for whom are they making She-Hulk and The Marvels? I'm just not seeing where the tens of millions of woke, feminist, superhero fans are hanging out. The box office isn't, either.
Irrelevant.
I loved Edge of Tomorrow - that had such a healthy dynamic of a smart intelligent competant man and woman, working together and sacrificing to overcome.
Cruise's character also had a decent hero's journey, too.
He started off as a bit of a fake and a coward. But then developed into a heroic character over the course of the story.
He didn't just start off awesome, and stay awesome, like all these girl-bosses.
Even if it's not narratively faithful to the manga, at least in the movie Rita is faithful to the manga.
Edge of Tomorrow is such a good movie, and you are right about the well written dynamic between Tom Cruise and Emily Blunt. I watch it every couple years and it holds up very well. I think I have seen it four times now and it always feels exciting and cool, never boring.
YeaH, great film, great manga too.
A man and a woman working together??? What a ridiculous concept.
As a man, I really feel like Glee could've used an MMA Club arc.
YES! If ever we needed a spinoff, THIS is it!
Hahaha. As a man I enjoy Glee and appreciate that it actually gets its target audience
No but i legit wanted a battle rap episode so badly
What is this word, man? It's a little ambiguous. Could you please elaborate on what you mean by the word? Is there some kind of discernible objective fact about you physically and/or psychologically that this word describes? The reason I ask is that I'm a marketing consultant interested in targeting a demographic I've read about where that would frequently pops up, but it's exact composition eludes me. It's fascinating. I'd love to know more.
You're a man? Shame!
I never got it, like I'm a woman, and sure being kickass is great, but I never felt like I was being pandered to when Eowyn said "I am no man" she was just being awesome and fighting for her country, for valor, for her uncle, brother etc... But lots of characters have the ability to be awesome. I fucking love Karl Urban in Lord of the Rings and I never thought he was being "unmanly" when he cried over his sister. I don't know. Movies are weird now. And I shy away from movies like the marvels because more than anything, I find them boring. Thanks Drinker. On point as ever.
Lord Of The Rings is the GOAT. I grew up watching those movies and I still rewatch them all the time. I love that there are strong men and strong women that don't kick each other down but work together towards a common goal. We need more of that.
I think the saddest thing is that scene in the film is today clouded by the girlboss b.s. we have been fed for over a decade now.
When I watched that scene in the cinemas 20 yrs ago (actually 20 yrs ago since it was released in 2003) I cheered on when she said "I am no man" and stabbed the Nazghul.
I watched the movie 4 yrs ago again and when that scene shows up, I physically cringed and had to remind myself that she wasn't trying to girl boss, she just loved her uncle and people and was trying to defend them.
And here is the kicker - Tolkien really did write her like that. She was portrayed as a "girl boss" who wanted to go fight like the men and didn't want to hide with the women and children. She saw it beneath her that a woman of her rank and status was relegated to merely running and hiding, whilst the men go to war and defend everyone.
She did do what they show in the movie and she did even utter those lines.
But she was so physically and mentally damaged by war and the injury she got from fighting the Nazgul, that it finally dawns on her character the virtue of being a woman and not having to experience those horrors.
She becomes more feminine eventually.
Thank God Return of the King wasn't made today.
She would be the main character
@ThatAnnalisa Too true! We had Eowyn, Arwen, Galadrial and even Shelob!!! 😂
But seriously, Tolkien and Jackson knew how to represent powerful female characters properly.
That movie came out long before the pandering began.
Well said
I miss characters such as Seline ( Underworld ) , Beatrix ( Kill Bill ) and Rita Vrataski ( Edge of tomorrow ) , but nowadays i only see characters such as Ray ( Star Wars ) and Captain Marvel ( Marvel )
Don't forget Akasha from Queen of the Damned.
Frieren as well.
You mean Ray and Captain marvel are different characters? I didn't realize...
@BetaSuqad >> They mentioned Beatrix (The Bride).
Kate beckinsdale was class as Seline
This video is the perfect description of the utter stupidity of the entertainment business. Well done!
Men and women being different is not news to rational people, but still refreshing to hear spoken out loud in 2024.
@BetaSuqad Don't give the woke ideas, the trans-green community will get very upset and there will indeed be a she-hulk style romance movie made
I think it's one of those things that most everyone knows, but you're not really supposed to say it. For some reason it's become literally immoral to suppose the sexes can have differences.
I don't think the issue is that men and women are "different". The issue is that these movies are trying too hard in making one sex seem so powerful that they are lacking humanity. Meanwhile, the other is downplayed in importance and contribution (not to mention, talked down to). If the roles were reversed with men being OP and devoid of vulnerability while women are less helpful and talked down to, I'd have the same issue.
Men and women do have differences such different physicality and experiences. But they are both still human.
It's ironic really, the alphabet gang claims _diversity_ is their endgoal, but when you point out men and women have different interest they freak out.
@@Xfushion2 It makes sense if you just don't think about it
As a woman, THANK GOD!
I havent watched a single "girl boss" series or movie. I have no interest in seeing a woman doing it all. 😴
"Doing it All"
aliens, terminator, t2 and hunger games with Jlaw were all decent.
Hallelujah!
"a woman" yeah right. No actual woman would type that shit
I'm literally at the point that if I see a female as the lead I'm not interested. They literally made me sexist against my own sex. I don't trust female leads in movies anymore.
I always think of Lord of the Rings when thinking of girl bosses. Those movies are very male centric, but the few female characters in the movies were badass. Galadriel isn't killing ice trolls and bullying everyone like in Rings of Power, but you can just tell she's a badass and very powerful. Then you have Eowyn who is allowed to have a "flaw" or have a weak moment, only to rise from it and defeat one of the strongest characters in the world. That's how you do it.
males actually really enjoy admirable, strong female characters with a great character arch and does this without degrading and demeaning males...
Look at Ripley from Alien series for instance. 100% female, not trying to be male, there are strong male characters but she is the lead character....there are also incompetent and/or weak male and female characters. ie. people with all of their strengths and flaws. Ripley is not a Mary Sue.
The entire problem is that the writers/directors hate males, WANT to degrade and humiliate males and show them as incompetent morons.... and they are shocked and amazed that male audiences do not like it.
@chandie5298 Precisely...I love badass female characters, Ripley as you mentioned, then you have the character from Atomic Blonde, also the women from ANDOR and WARRIOR...all are well written characters.
@@chandie5298 You got it. Girl boss is not the problem. Man hater feminist boss is. Cara Dune, Lara Croft and Alita are OK. And, considering LOTR, Shelob is female.
She was serious bad assery as she even saved Gandalf. And she went 1 on 1 with the Eye forgot the baddie's name.
Goat for a reason
Wanna know why characters like Ellen Ripley, Sarah Conner and Jamie Lloyd worked? It wasn't because they were women but because they each had a properly written hero's journey. You do this and it doesn't matter who is in the role of the hero because you just want to root for the hero.
A lot of female protagonists nowadays either don't have this journey altogether or they have the stepping stones but the writers muck up the delivery.
Just like sports, non-liberal, non-metropolitan women don't really care about girl boss stuff. They like traditional stories, romance, and above all a good story. (example: my girl only cared about what happened to Po when we went to see Starwars. She couldn't care less about Rey & Star Wars in general)
Thats subjevtive af,people, in general, like good stuff, Majoris of the mainstream ones, like Rey, arent
I'm reminded that Wish could've actually been a good movie if they didn't cut out everything remotely interesting about it. We could've had a cute love story between Asha and the star boy. We could've had _a hero couple vs a villain couple._ But Disney decided it was deathly allergic to love stories and gave us that nonsense instead. Thanks, I'm gonna go watch Tangled another dozen times
Exactly. Look at barbie at the box office.
Do you think anybody believed this fanfic made up of tired memes because I have looked at your channel and I don't think you have actually seen a woman.
@BetaSuqad That's a shame because it's utter shite
I've been saying this for 8 years and people are finally catching up.
The next step is to question WHY this level of incompetence was permitted.
Those of us who have been paying attention the last 4 years know.
@@MakeYouFeelBetterNow identity over quality
one of the answers rhymes with "HACK SOCK"
A small minority of very vocal activists managed to overtake the entertainment companies.
Believe it or not, this is all related to this contemporary and very liberal ideology that everyone can identify to anything, making people doubt about the fundamental concept of male/female and that everyone should agree that’s how we should think now.. It’s started with LGBTQ+ mouvement and was about acceptance and acknowledgement but now it got everyone so confused and butthurt about it. Collectively we are dumb af 😂
something to keep in mind when watching any of these girlboss movies
Schrodingers Girlboss: The woman is constantly in a state where she is simultaneously oppressed and empowered at the same time, whenever a conflict occurs with this character the writers will choose whichever state is more beneficial to the character.
So thats why these movies is
Boring as all hell & uninspired.
GREAT COMMENT !!!
Honestly the interesting thing is
movies like this are built off
Historial falsehoods acting
as if all men back then treated
Women bad & all men were
rich & had 0% problems.
That's real world schrodinger feminism in a nutshell. At least they represented that accurately! 😂
Nicking this, I will use this in a discussion on MCU and absolutely take full credit for it being my musing
I have a friend who really loves Marvel movies. Her favorite character of all time was Tony Stark. Turns out, women who love superheroes aren't going to love a character just for their gender.
One thing I did like in Top Gun Maverick, was that there was a female pilot in the group, but the movie never went down the path that so many movies lately would have gone because she existed in the movie. She was treated as a real character, I remember one other character taking a dig at her, but she shut him down and was just part of the team, and her gender never played a part in anything plot wise. She was just another top gun pilot, there because she was the best of the best, at the school to learn and prove herself (like everyone else who was there).
I remember mentioning this to my wife after the movie finished, because it was so weird lately to have a movie which just treated all the characters as actual characters, not just standins for whatever message they were trying to tell. I think the biggest failing the studios are making in trying to bring in more female viewers is that they fail to make characters at all that require more than a sentence to explain all their character traits. Just write good characters, tell a compelling story and you will eventually bring in new fans. Or in my wifes case, have hot guys named Chris play interesting characters and she'll come along to the movie to check it out.
Well said🍻
yes, wow... imagine having personality driven characters instead of characters being solely a representation of it's gender.
I feel called out with the last sentence.
I didn't even consider her gender. I just accepted her as part of the squad and that was it. Sure they made her front and center in a number of scenes but the woke mind-virus was never injected into this film... and thank God for that.
Imagine being judged on your abilities 😮
Every single male character we all know and love have flaws. That's what makes them more believable.
Thank you Drinker.
Imagine the makers blaming the mythical female audience
It will not end. It will morf into something new. Did you hear they are rebooting RAMBO with a female ramabo! 😂 What's next die hard with black Muslim Lesbiaan.
You can't hold us accountable! We're not responsible for anything even the things that we do! Like making shitty shitty shitty movies!
@BetaSuqadStop spamming!
@tarron3237 Who else are they going to blame... themselves?
We exist, but not in high numbers and even we hate the girl boss thing. Is it so hard to create movies with a balanced mix of male and female characters with different skills and personalities to bring to the team?
The problem with these hollywood writers as of late is that they think they are great writers, but have never written anything great.
Recent Marvel movies have come straight out of the gate, taken one step, and dropped over dead. Soon as we see it in the distance we know what it is. Everyone just kind of gathers around, pokes it a few times, and goes on.
….It managed to take a single step? 🤨
Marvel is approaching M. Night Shyamalan territory. Produce enough bad movies and find people groaning or laughing when the trailer ends with 'Directed by M. Night Shyamalan.' He too took a break and returned with some success (congrats). Doubtful Disney will manage to figure out how to do the same effectively given their track record.
@@Crazieyboy15 A small step on its first day...then plunk.
@@RoninReshi Every movie he made in that time period is infinitely better than any marvel film. They would work fine if they were understood to be films which dont have a large scale audience, but do have small dedicated one. What Marvel is doing is much harder to understand.
@@RoninReshi At least with Shamalan, I can say he had PASSION in his nonsense.
Was is always good or even understandable? Maybe not. But I can respect his attempt to at least put some of his heart into his work.
Matrix 1 and Terminator 2 are masterclasses on how to write strong female characters at this point
don't forget alien(s)
@NektarVision I was just about to say that!
@@NektarVision ya Sigourney weaver 100%
mad max fury road, sherice theron....so hot right now@@Dogfather1
@@NektarVision Charlize ya absolutely… how about Jamie Lee Curtis in her 30s👌
Characters like Cersei Lannister showed how a female character can be brutally strong without using her fists
Quite an unbelievable character. Required alot of suspension of belief. Exhausting really. I would have turned it off if I wasn't watching it at my friend's house. Not my idea of entertainment, except when her brother was doggy styling her. I can only take so much yapping.
“The Girl Boss era is dead.”
- And nothing of substance or value was lost.
Except a lot of once great franchises that have been destroyed in its wake.
Hopefully they won't swing into another direction and make an era of bland boring boy bosses...instead of just hiring good writers...
Other than the beloved IPs that were sacrificed on its altar.
To the contrary, we've lost a decade of actually good media to the Girl Boss.
Girl Boss era is just getting started and going thru some growing pains that's all. There's been hits like Barbie Black Panther 2 Black Widow Wonder Woman 1 and misses but they're figuring out what works. There is a huge huge market for girl boss... if done right. But how to crack the formula. So it's a period of experimentation right now.
Hollywood has turned into the playschool teacher who takes the blocks from the boys so the girls can play with them, only for the girls to keep playing with dolls while nobody gets to play with the blocks.
Its a Canon Event
That’s actually the perfect analogy to describe what is happening.
nice analogy
Here's a perfect example of why this is killing studios. I bought Indy 1, 2 & 3 on VHS. I bought the same trilogy on DVD. I saw Crystal Skull on theaters. I bought the original trilogy on blu-ray. Then I bought them again on 4K.
I literally won't even stream Dial of Destiny, let alone go to the theater or buy the 4K. I refuse to give money to a studio who kills the legacy of arguably my favorite film character by inserting a hamfisted girl boss.
Extrapolate my experience of one franchise to all the ones they've killed amongst the countless people like me who've spent their money for 30+ years supporting these properties they've bastardized. No wonder they're losing billions.
dont worry women will for sure buy 8k Barbie movie when its remastered
tbh I enjoyed dial of destiny
For me, the property that I mourn the most for being ruined is Star Trek.
ESG money received from girl boss characters will more than make up the loss
I'm the same but for middle earth content. The lord of the rings 4k is on my list for this year.
Last year, a book called MCU: The Reign of Marvel Studios was published. I came across it in a comic shop in Manchester. I was almost convinced to buy it until I leafed through the book and came across the chapter on Captain Marvel. The authors blame "sexist nerds" for the character, her actress and her movie dying on arrival. That chapter is a perfect example of a lack of accountability which has become the norm in recent years. Unless you're heterosexual, white and a man, it's never your fault. It's racism, sexism, etc.
MCU: The Story of Marvel Studios was published in 2023, and aged like milk before it's even a year old. The Marvels, Echo and Madame Web have all been trainwrecks. The way these people have tried to handle the situation is the equivalent of trying to put out a fire with petrol.
Hmmm whos' gonna buy a book like that. Clearly the title is misleading.
The book also ironically acknowledged that the M-She-U is real.
Thanks for the warning. I'll skip it. I'll wait for a more honest book.
Funny thing is they claim the 'angry nerd audience' is just a minority but also claim that the same group is to blame for tanking a movie. Cant have it both ways.
Exactly
There was a 90s TV series that was pretty popular, it was called XENA and had two female Leads. Seems Hollywood not remember the 80s and 90s. Sad Ripley noises.
Good point and I gave you a like for the "sad Ripley noises", but amusingly even though I think you meant Ellen, my mind lept to Ripley from Metroid fame. So sad alien dragon noises, heh.
I bet they would even screw up a remake of Xena if they ever tried to.
Xena had more character development in her first appearance in Hercules than most of these female character have during their entire franchise.
might I add that it was a SPINOFF of a show called Hercules, and ended up being more successful and more fondly remembered even after so many years. Now off i go to blast that epic opening theme on repeat a dozen times
I loved the episode where Gabby was poisoned and Xena had to fight off an entire army...by herself!!!
Perfect video - one of your absolute best mate, well done!
I hope there's not an overreaction, and that Hollywood learns "no female action heroes". We want no girl bosses, no Mary Sues, no Message, but going back to relatable female heroes in amongst the men is where I'd like us to end up.
Agree, like prey, which had a female lead go thru an arc, fail and learn.
edit: I should add prey also did this without the expense of male characters; her brother is very competent
I don’t know if they know how to write women anymore without including the agenda. Could they even write a Ripley now even if they wanted to. It’s like realistic portrayals have atrophied away in the last decade/s.
nah after all the crap we were given i seriously hope for an overreaction!
I agree with a lot of that, but unfortunately I wouldn't be surprised if the no-Message part would be harder than you think to do (especially since the act creating art/media is a form of communication in general). Even a lot of stories in the past had messages to convey (movies like Star Wars and Lord of the Rings convey good vs evil messages, American Psycho and It Lives had political messages about corporate greed and yuppie culture, ancient mythologies/folklore/fairytales always had morals involved, etc).
Would love to hear how future artists could try to remove politics and/or social commentary from their art, but I'm not holding my breath since humans have always done it for centuries. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@@sattymike0155Ripley always comes to mind when I think of well written, believable, strong female characters.
I'm watching this 6 month later for the first time and Drinker nailed it on the head. Perfectly phrased and dead on.
There are thousands of women like me who are screaming that they just wanted good stories that aren't sacrificed on the altar of modern ideologies. Don't let Hollywood execs gaslight y'all into thinking otherwise.
(Edited because I was still waking up and mispelled "altar". Clearly, I am not allowed to make mistakes without someone on TH-cam being pedantic.)
And none of you chose to go into the film/gaming industries, allowing the blue haired types with grudges against what they perceive to be patriarchal cinema the ability to cripple these industries from the inside-out. Even if you did, these people would gatekeep you from changing things back to normal
Appreciate you. I Should also say on behalf of men, despite what Hollywood tells you. We want to see women succeed as women. We don’t want women pretending to be men.
I'm going to assume there are actually billions of us. I mean there are 4 billion women on the planet. At least half of us have to not be stupid. Right?
@@Marryjanesbud heck, there have actually been some decent girl boss movies, like Salt, though the movie did have its own issues. It's all just how you execute the idea
@@MamaMOB As an older man I can say with certainty more than half the men are that stupid, just something we live with. Thing is most men even being stupid are still based.
Guess I'm not female enough. I didn't know Madame Webb was even out. 😂 And even if I did know, I would never go see it. My new form of entertainment is YT reaction channels.
Thanks for holding it down, guys! ✊🏾
🤣
I used to be a massive fan of the Spider-Man comics, and Madame Webb didn't feature in any of the books I'd collected as a youngster. I first discovered her in the 90s cartoon as a kind of oracle character that helped guide Spider-Man when it mattered most, if I remember correctly. The point I'm getting at is, what the hell are Sony Studios trying to do giving these b and c tier characters their own films? I haven't seen the Morbius film either, but from I know of it I haven't missed much.
Seems the studios are really scraping the barrel these days!
You know, I've not seen ONE promotion for it. No commercial, no posters last time I was at the theater (December, Godzilla)... nada. Only ever heard about it mid-January. They knew they were spitting out a sub-par movie and didn't even mass-market lol. Or hell, for all I know, maybe it's that 10million PS5's short of forecast that's got em strapped😆
I saw a comercial on Twitch of Madame Webb. :D Twitch is the place where a lot of women come to watch things , yes? :D :D
Nerd Crew has a new review out.
Instead of making a product people like, lets make a product that tells people what they should be liking...
As a woman I loved Starbuck and Buffy and Sydney (Alias), Ripley and Princess Leia and Black Widow and others that rang true in the universe it depicted. They didn't sideline or eliminate or negate the presence of men. They were organic and weren't out to demonize all male characters.
I avoid films that either destroy iconic male heroes (Star wars, Terminator, Indiana Jones sequels) or just drop a bunch of females into a poorly written story and think I'll bite.
When did hot male heroes and super heroes go out of fashion for the heterosexual female? It hasn't for me.
Probably the best female action character that I have seen is Ripley from Aliens: likable, relatable, resourceful and courageous, not because she is not scared...but because her cause leaves her no choice but to rise to the occasion despite her fear. This is someone that audiences can relate to, and like, and cheer for. Not some obnoxious Girl Boss superhero who had everything handed to her because she is female.
Yeah, this girlboss stuff just reads as... what do the gender-studies people call it... "internalized misogyny". Apparently strong women have to be nonhuman and not experience human challenges and problems, because allegedly human women can't overcome them like men can! :P
another one is Cat Tully from GOT.. she fucks up constantly but still has good qualities as well
I think that is the problem we have these days. They write in tropes, rather than creating human, relatable characters. In days gone by, we didn’t worry about whether the character represented us by label, but rather whether the character represented humanity. It’s why some films that seem to appeal to men on paper, like Gladiator, are so popular. The characters appeal to all human beings, not just a subset. I think it is indicative of the greater problem of people only seeing people who look or act like them as human.
Check out Blue Eye Samurai.
I promise it's not weeb nonsense.
After all this gets turned around... We will still have missed a DECADE of potential masterpieces that we are never getting back.
Better than a World War III, no? :)
I think the well has been poisoned when it comes to female led action properties, now. Even a genuinely decent one free of ideological biases will have an uphill struggle. The damage has been done by the very people who were pushing for more "representation."
@@Film_Sushigiven the way it’s headed with current leaders around the world, you might still get your 3rd
@@gideonmele1556 lol, I´d prefer naked Sydney Sweeney to war, don´t get me wrong... :)
@@Film_Sushi We could have had good movies AND no war. I don't know why we'd have to choose between those lol.
To be honest, it's not superhero fatigue, it's more girlboss fatigue.
Nah. It's clearly both.
The two aren't mutually exclusive these days.
Bait and switch fatigue.. shite movie fatigue.. nothing wrong with superhero movies
It’s most definitely both
Like you wouldn't go see a superhero movie if it was good... FOH
Once again, you’ve just perfectly stated everything we were all thinking, as only you could articulate. That’s why I love your content
When the world starts to fall apart and law no longer applies A strong Man doesn't seem so bad in hard times.
Just the perception of threat is marketing enough, hence why authoritarians invent and amplify the image of political enemies to justify overhauling society to favor strict social roles while granting legal impunity to certain elites, whether the times were actually good or bad.
The intention of these multimedia companies is the reverse the gender roles to cause disillusion and chaos. That is their agenda. And it is working
I think a good person would better during those times.
A strong man? Yes. A Strongman dictator, no.
Strength is not telling others how to live via decree or edict.
It is the wisdom to lead by example which makes a leader truly strong.
Only the weak want to be ruled.
I’ve had a lot of experience in public speaking. Writing a speech is, in many ways, quite similar to script writing.
One of the best pieces of advice I received from a mentor was this: People admire your strengths, but they connect with your weaknesses.
Good story telling involves flaws, weaknesses, and pain.
These girl bosses exhibit none of those. Only strength.
No connection at all
The main point in speech writing is this: Know your audience!
Again, Hollywood fails at this bigly.
"Women are empowered and need no man or anyone in their lives and they can do what they want and get away scot free" -UN global goals for gender equality 2030.
I'm a mystery, sci-fi, fantasy loving female. I find romcoms unrelatable. I'm not curling up on the couch with a tub of ice cream to watch a Hallmark movie marathon. But I know I'm an exception. I've never expected to be pandered to, and am put off when I ostensibly am (I'm looking at you, Tauriel!) Just make good movies, just write good characters!
Same, and there are more of us out there. Just watched the Beekeeper and was so disappointed that they didn’t utilize their cast to tell a more layered and nuanced story. Not a fan of any story that doesn’t have some relative humanity at its heart. Would much rather watch some good characters than some vapid damsel in distress who is a waste of space saved by the prince in those romcoms.
@TheBaumcm Couldn't agree more. I'm sick of the shallow characterization, the convoluted plots, the drama/sex/etc just for the sake of it. I want something meaty and meaningful, not some two dimensional pandering.
Well, I'm this a fantasy lover woman, too. While I liked Tauriel I'd still enjoy the movie without her, though.
I want well-written, likable, relatable female characters in sci-fi and fantasy.
Sorry for my bad English.
Same here. Girlbosses are not aspirational. They're just rude girls trying to act like men at their worst while despising who they're imitating. No thanks.
Romcoms may not be relatable but they are not bad .
My wife loves Hallmark Christmas movies. I never saw Hallmark making a Christmas movie with car explosions and space lasers to appeal to me.
Imagine they start to make those type of movies now 😂
Men and women will watch what they want. You can't change statistics. And that doesn't mean making action movies star exclusively male characters. We have characters like Ripley from alien, Laura Croft from Tomb Raider, and Linda Hamilton from Terminator. And a few others I personally couldn't recall off the top of my head because I don't watch many movies. All these female badasses who perfectly fit their role and aren't forcing themselves too much. Because the reality is, those are the kinds of women who would make it in those scenarios, not ones who throw their weight around and act like the sun shines out their backside.
The best thing of the girl boss era, for me personally, was to stop watching films and gaming. I decided to spend my time working out every single day, as much as I can, started reading books again, and to generally try and be stronger and better every day. I will never go back. Thanks MSheU.
Congrats on this realization. I too am reading more books. Just because a major studio comes out with movie doesn't mean it's actually important.
Awesome
Well Girl Boss can work and who doesn't like hot sexy bad assery girls.
That seems like a drastic solution. Not every movie includes cringe virtue signaling
@@Luke101 It wasn't just the cringe. It was the realization that instead of sitting on my manhood, and watching men in film be great, I could just spend that time making myself that person. Forget watching it, I want to be it. So I did.
“The definition of insanity, is doing the exact same action over and over again and expecting different results.”
-Albert Einstein
Albert Einstein didn't say that btw
Yeah it was Vaas from FC
Vaas
Until it's not. They did the same thing but Barbie was a massive hit! And Black Widow and Black Panther 2 and many more. So girl boss can work.
I prefer Philip K. Dick's version:
"Reality is that which, when you stop believing it, doesn't go away."
He may not have been talking about actual insanity, but hell if these people aren't acting in willfull defiance of normalcy and common sense.
The “girl boss” is an archetype that nobody outside of Women’s Studies departments ever wanted or aspired to.
Strange how that fringe element resigned to the corners of lib colleges in the 80's would go on to co-opt everything.
Cluster-Bs gonna Cluster-B.
@@ronzombie6541 I think it stems from the media echo chamber / feedback loop. You start with a reasonable premise like "young women want to see strong role models" and it becomes distorted into "any female character who isn't all-powerful or exhibits normal human flaws is unacceptable."
As a female who spent 6 years in the US Army i have to say my experience was definitely less Captain Marvel who was being told she couldnt fly or something. And more Maverick Phoenix with people just being people and being modivating.
4:49 it's not that women don't connect to these superheroes because they represent "masculine ideals", it's because girlboss characters have no character arc.
They're not allowed to have flaws or make mistakes by the script so they start out "perfect" and end exactly in the same place. It's a Hero's Journey, except you miss a critical part of the journey. And because it's such a shallow way of pandering to a female audience, you can easily see through it.
A movie that doesn't fall into this trap is Everything ,everywhere, all at once where Evelyn, the main character and pseudo superhero, is allowed to be flawed and makes embarrassing mistakes. And so she is actually interesting and enjoyable to watch, despite her also kicking a lot of ass in the last act. It feels earned because she had to learn and overcome her mistakes.
I miss genuine vulnerable female characters who are able to see men as their equals, and not oppressors. - female.
I think the reason why girl boss characters don't sell is because creators don't allow them to hit rock bottom.
Everyone can relate to the experience of hitting rock bottom, and everyone wants to rise from the bottom to top.
And the catharsis that comes from that is greater the lower the character falls.
That's why I love Spider-Man the most.
But a girl boss character is not allowed to have that kind of hardship or crisis, so it's harder to get the audience to empathize or feel that catharsis.
Like in She-Hulk, the hardest moments in the protagonist's life are being catcalled and conflict at work, and overcoming these problems doesn't provide enough catharsis for the audience.
Yeah, i do not mind a female lead. I mind the overpowering, near perfect characters who's only ''flaw'' is others not seeing how great she is. That not everyone is gasping about her talents. And movies mentioning that a billion times. That she doesnt need training, hard work or anything to show she is better than the old generation of dum dum men.
Would have the same issue with boys in that role, but its usually women.
The "Girlboss" CAN work if written well. Major Kira from Star Trek DS9 is a good example.
I wouldn't call the GirlBoss era dead just yet, but this is a good start.
Even if they do move away from the girl-boss scripts, they will find something else for the audiences to get fed up with.
I really love how the Avatar novels (the Kyoshi and Yangchen duologies) handle the concept of “OP women”.
In the Kyoshi novels, Kyoshi has a lot of raw earthbending power but no precision. She can throw boulders all day but she can’t bend small rocks pretty much at all. This poses an issue for her in her very first scene, and later on she accidentally disintegrates a precious keepsake with her uncontrolled earthbending. There’s even a scene where someone close to her is killed, where it’s implied she could have prevented it if she had more precision over her bending. Kyoshi is technically OP, and it’s impressive, but it comes at a huge emotional cost for her.
In the Yangchen novels, Yangchen is portrayed as a bending prodigy. We meet her when she’s about 16, and she’s already made a name for herself defeating powerful enemies with her bending. But in this case, Yangchen’s real enemies are politicians and greedy merchants, who she can’t just whack around with airbending. Yangchen can’t use her “OP-ness” to solve this problem because it would have huge political consequences for her. So she has to copy their strategy and become a sneaky, manipulative, politically savvy Avatar. She has to become what she hates for the good of the world.
These books prove that you can make an “OP” female protagonist and still have it work, as long as you put her in situations where her overpoweredness will actively hinder her. It’s all about creativity and logical consistency.
Ironically just covered this in one of my essays over on Substack. Well said good sir well said.
The recent flop busters have proven that people want relatable women who can grow as characters, not revenge fantasy Mary Sue's. Hopefully, we can go back to great characters and movies that matter. Great video drinker. 🎉
As a nerdy guy I've completely checked out of capekaka anything at this point.
I couldn't tell you what's going on in comic books, video games, movies. TV/Streaming. None of it.
Same my man...same...
I only know current movies by name, I know nothing of their characters/story/world building...absolutely nothing. The only time I'll consider watching a movie now is when people give it really good reviews, and even then I usually wait a few months and just stream it. I went to Infinity War/Endgame with nothing more than the trailers for them, and those were the last two times I went to the theater.
probably for the best.
reading any random book with some good reviews is often more fun for me that an epic movie.
Mainly cos books dont have to cram a story into 2hrs, find good composers, choreographers, actors, writers, fx artists, etc.
As an older guy, I just stopped watching new movies altogether. Stopped paying attention to their announcements.
It's called growing up. Welcome to the adult world.
@@salazam no u, you'ure mum gei bro.
The 10% of males who attend romance movies are trying to get laid. They're not there for the story. LOL.
But you are SOOOOOO correct! I'm a tomboy. Always have been. I enjoy action movies, sci-fi, military fiction, and suspense... with strong MALE leads and strong female leads when they make sense. Sure, women in those movies as a protagonist is an added bonus, but the main thing they need to reflect the target audience of the women watching them, specifically tomboys. Tomboys who aren't there to tear down the patriarchy. The "patriarchy" are our best friends, the people we hang around the most. Stop emasculating them! Stop making them the "bad guy" for standing up and doing what men do... fight bad guys to protect the people they love.
The thing I hated the most about the last 3 Star Wars movies were: Poe being treated like an idiot and discredited or ignored when he was clearly a good leader, Luke turned into a total pansy instead of the GREATEST Jedi of all time, Kylo's terrible character arc making him whiny and unenjoyable, and Rey being a Mary Sue!
"I didnt like it but that doesn't matter because it wasn't made for me"... this is the wisest thing I have heard in a very long time. I more people accepted this they would be much happier for it.
Thank you Drinker
Disney now a days is literally the defenition of insanity doing the same fucking things over and over expecting different results
It's not a point of woman leads, writers, and directors....it's the fact they feel they have to belittle and shit on men in the process, then get the pukkichu shock face when men don't show up to watch these movies.
Hollywood is clueless and crazy.
Even the majority of women hate that. Portraying either sex as useless, weak and stupid is going to piss off the audience. It’s like they haven’t figured out that a mix of male and female characters where both are competent is more appealing.
"Did you do it?"
"Yes"
"What did cost?"
"Everything"
"The message is finally starting to set in for the people in Hollywood" this sounds like deja vu to me. I guess we'll see...
either they will change or just keep getting f means flops
It isn't sinking in. If there were any chance of that happening, it would have happened years ago.
Hollywood has committed itself to this path come hell or high water, and nothing will steer it off it.
And the reason it took so long as the lengthy timeline to produce content in the first place. Hopefully the shift has started and we'll see better stuff moving forward.
*Disney lose hundreds of millions for the Nth year in a row*
"well the message is finally sinking in"
The woke mob are trying to change the culture. They dont care if they lose money so long as they can ensure future generations consider wokeness the norm
I dont think they care about failure nearly as much about slowly eroding away peoples standards and slowly having us embrace their politics via death by 1000 cuts
What an absolute banger of a video. Legitimately don't think I've seen such a great take on the current state of the movie industry
He's just getting warmed up mate
My wife and I were just talking about this last night. It's like our entire society no longer believes in Biological Reality, so they make crap that makes no sense, then wonder why it fails because they refuse to accept that Men and Women are different. In every way, they're trying to make Men's view of success, a Women's thing, and it's just not. So I liked it when drinker thought what if Barbie was made for men. Put a twist into everything Hollywood has been doing lately. Great Video.
You hit the nail on the head. I just rewatched the Amazon show The Expanse, easily the best show to come out in the last 10 years. With amazing characters and production, it was depressing to realise how far the quality of SyFy has fallen.
Yep.
If you haven't watched the Expanse, you are doing yourself a disservice
@@Kyle-sr6jmCurrently on my first watch. As a life-long scifile, I'm mad I didn't find it sooner.
Totally agree. I watched the expanse twice already and for sure will watch it again at a later point. The characters are so greatly written! I really hope the makers of The Expanse will come together again and launch another project.
the rushed ending was lame
The Expanse was ok first 1,5 seasons, then spiraled into woke and political propaganda in general...
As a female, I’ll never understand why marvel thinks I can’t like and identify with male driven stories
What I love about the modern day is that I can just buy the old movies of a franchise and ignore the new stuff. With Star Wars, I refuse to buy the sequels because they were so terrible and they just aren’t of the same level of quality as the previous movies..
It literally took an episode of South Park for the studios to realise “maybe we shouldn’t alienate men”.
South Park has come a long way from its roots of satire into full blown Oracle of the obvious.
Really tells how the film industry went.
In the end it all comes down to Jack Nicholson's immortal line:
"I think of a man and I take away reason and accountability."
it's actually astonishing how CONSTANTLY this quote gets proven correct
Please try to distinguish between role and actor. Normally intelligent people learn that around fifth grade.
@@Muschelschubs3rplease try to not be an insufferable twit. Jack Nicholson delivered the line. If you're going to be an obnoxious know it all, at least get it right.
The book is called "The Man With A Thousand Faces" for a reason. I went to the movies to see Mad Max 4 only to find out Max had been neutered. I'm still pissed with George Miller.
Making superhero movies appeal to women is a similar challenge to marketing makeup to men. It's a hell of a challenge, but if pulled off, would be a huge win. It looks like this divide remains unbridged for now.
Rolling my eyes and asking why they had to inject this into the movie. Had this happen recently with Last Voyage of the Demeter when they decided they needed to discuss how 19th century racism was unfair in a Dracula movie.
You could but the story have to be written well. Non of that movie was so Rip to that.
@@JohnnyWasabi I enjoyed the movie. That part seemed really shoehorned in since he decided to complain about racism after multiple attacks had already occured though.
@@Pallysilverstar If they would have done it like night of the living dead it could have work. Just talking about the racism angle here.
Yea the movie overall for me was just very boring.
Just think how good last voyage of the Demeter would have been if they just followed the captain's journal from the novel. A claustrophobic fight between a slowly mentally unraveling collection of men as they faced the horror aboard. Like The Thing.
That ends in the first mate's madness jumping into the sea and the final showdown between Dracula and the captain as the poor man, refusing to abandon the ship as is his captain's duty, lashes himself to the wheel, throws his final journal page overboard in a bottle and faces down the beast with intent on grounding and skuttling the ship. There could have been such a great back and forth between them before credits rolled and the inevitable continuation of the tale of Dracula as we know it. The monster never appears as a beast such as in the film he is described as a tall pale thin man made of naught but mist.
While not a completely terrible film... it just wasn't good enough.
@@samcollins7797 "if they had just followed the novel" is something nobody seems capable of doing unfortunately.
"It's not FOR you"
"oh ok. i'll skip it then"
Not just movies, I've seen too many of these "girl bosses" in books and they are all the FREAKING SAME!! I could interchange every female protagonist on every book on tiktok and the plot would never change.
These arent movies or entertainment its a religion.
There seems to be a trend in long-running franchises these days of building out a niche product then expanding it out into the mainstream in an effort to get more people involved (read:make more money) where a company makes a product that does well with its intended (somewhat minority) audience, then adds elements that others enjoy which has a marginal cost of not including things that the original audience liked. They must think that the original audience is hooked already and will accept anything while moving on to an audience that sees more of what it wants to see in this franchise that didn't already appeal to them.
I've been a Magic: the Gathering player for over a decade now and that's definitely a trend that has been happening more and more.
Yeah, kinda floored me when a friend told me they made a whole Lord of the Rings tie-in that drastically changes the whole game. He was all about it, so I'm happy he's digging it. It just seemed weird to me for something pop culture to be in the game.
As long as there’s no criminally downright insulting sexism in gender oriented movies (that goes both ways), let’s just like what we wanna like. And let women be women, not women-looking men in shows. Unless that’s down to the interest of the plot…
As a woman, I love watching fantasy, action, marvel and sci-fi. But I watch the ones that mainly have male leads. The lead women characters these days make me cringe coz they bore me with their collective whining about not being skilled (when they are), pretty (when they are), or beaten down by the male world (which isn’t an excuse) OR stronger because of being in a male world (which also isn’t a natural reason).
They make the mistake with recent Disney too, so it’s not just female bias film types that are failing in this. Soon I won’t know what the hell to watch. 😑
These people can't even define what a woman is. Under these circumstances, how can they produce films that are aimed precisely at this group?
Because they're not directing their movies at women, they're directing their movies at "women"
More simply, they go for the women of a specific ideology, not for women based on reproductive systems, thus why when they make movies "for women" almost no women show up
During the re-release of the Star Wars movies, my Mom and I saw SW 17 times, ESB 12 times, and ROTJ 7 times. Years later, we saw The Force Awakens. Once.
Damnit Drinker, you let the cat out of the bag too soon.
I wanted the hysteria for girl-bosses to continue long enough to bankrupt Lucasfilm.
The idea of unempliyed/homeless Kathleen Kennedy action figure was really appealing to me.
Once again you scored a hit on the problem, but will they listen,or just double down?
Double Down, in their minds we have to be taught what to like.
They never listen.
Any movie or game where the main character is a ‘strong female,’ I just pass. I don’t even bother spending my time or money.
The worst examples would be the first Captain Marvel and harley Quinn movie in my eyes. There's nothing wrong with female leads, but if you have to put down or villainize the majority of men in the film to make the heroine stand out, you fail as a storyteller and director. Don't be surprised when a film that puts down men isn't watched by them.
Not that girlboss are bad... it's just so forced and disingenuous that both men and women hate it. There were definitely a bunch of female superheros that were loved (e.g. black widow). You could tell that the writer put time and effort into creating her. Characters nowadays just seem like their trying to meet their diversity quota :(
You dont understand the term
actually, black widow belongs to the femme fatale. same tropes like catwoman, black-cat, black-canary. The well executed girl boss super heroes maybe could wonder woman (O.G), Storm X-Men, or maybe xena (if you old enough)
@@SiKudaLiarBuffy the Vampire Slayer was also in that group as a superbly written character and show. She was strong, a badass fighter, and she almost always overcame the enemy. But, she could also be vulnerable, get her ass kicked, and grew as a character. She had to learn from her mistakes, and she could be wrong sometimes. Those are the kinds of female leads people want to see.
That's sad, what quota is there to fill whrn putting female superheroes in movies? What Quota?
You know the characters in Marvel all exist, right?
Going by this logic, I too can say that Iron Man is a Quots for "Men are Awesome!"
“I’M WAITING…-“-Girl Bo$$
-“AAAAAAARRRRGGGGHHHHHHH!!!!!!”-Dr. Weir, Event Horizon
My man, I also agree with you 100%. I'm in my 40s. Most of those leading Hollywood are in their 60s and 70s. And everything you've said should be common sense... emphasis on "should be"...
the problem is that the "modern writers" hollywood is preferring, are 20 somethings who have no clue about the real world, about how you have to work hard, take risks, and be prepared to fail, so that you can learn from those failures. Nope, most of them either still live with their woke parents, or just left home and are living with their equally woke friends and/or partners, who also, have not lived a day in the real, harsh, cruel world. They have lived a life where they re constantly told that their feelings supersedes anyone else's, that they are no 1, and that anyone who challenges them, are against them, and are "backwards" or are some ist or phobe. They were not raised with common sense, they were raise with common victimhood, a typical "me, I myself" mentality, instead of us/we/community.
Disagree. Those leading Hollywood right now fit into two categories: overeducated (indoctrinated) woke youngins, and overeducated (same) old jaded megarich limousine liberals. Both groups live in extreeemely insular echo chambers, and truly have not-a-clue-at-all how small and rare and isolated their stupid ideas about the world are. They think “good” people think like they do, and anyone who doesn’t is a “bad” people, and need to be “educated”.
None of them have ever worked a real day in their lives, and it’s so obnoxiously obvious.
The thing I don't understand is how these professional entertainment business managers can make business decisions that so totally fail to correspond with their market base desires. Then they do trial screenings and ignore the feedback.
It is almost as though they're incompetent.
One problem no one talks about was that all the good movies in the MCU were written by like 5 people.
Joss Whedon.
Jon Favreau.
James Gunn.
Markus and McNfeely.
They all left.
why is good dialogue so rare in superhero movies? i know the original starwars had terrible dialogue and the actors convinced the director to tweak it (was still a bit stale but more believable). dont even need a good writer, just a good english teacher should be enough to fix many of the recent flops
The Russo brothers are great as well
It's this simple!!!!! Thank you Drinker!
Look at women in male orientated movies. 2 shining bastions -
Sarah Connor. Ellen Ripley. Both in movie aimed at men but still written as women. They're still feminine. Heck, Ripley's maternal instinct, even though she's terrified, forced her through hell for Newt.
And Sarah? Not only would John not exist without her, he wouldn't have been anywhere near as capable of a leader as he is without her. Iron sharpens iron but Sarah was the blacksmith that forged John.
Keep up not only the perfect breakdown and insight but all the laughs!
Really appreciated.
Cheers!
Drinker - this is damn near perfect. Probably the best analysis video that you’ve ever done. Bravo! Let’s hope Hollywood pays attention.
Drinker for the King of Scotland!
I went to see Madame Webb and was handed a suicide prevention brochure upon leaving.
This is not a new phenomenon. I remember the Tomb Raider movies of the early 2000. Angelina Jolie played Lara Croft like she was fearless, always in control, never worried about anything. How can I care and be worried about a perfect character that is always in control and doesn't appear to give a damn?
Anybody remember Katniss from the hunger games? How she had flaws and was relatable? Did that franchise ever make any money?
Edit: the Tomb raider Movies are not exactly like the Girlboss movies of today, but I see them as their precursor, or their ancestor. Some elements are there, but not all of them.
Well Laura Crofts appeal was the people who were fans of the game. She was hot, always in control (until she wasn't), fearless and didnt care for anyone else. You didnt like her because she was a good person. You liked her cause she was cool. Everyone in the Tomb Raider world are bad guys. Thats the appeal of it all. Its literally in the name . Tomb Raider. Grave robber
tomb raider from that time distinctly isn't the same as this crop of insufferable girl bosses.
@@angel_of_rustYou are right, but it was a precursor. It didn't have all the bad elements of of today's movies. For example, Lara had some male associates, and they weren't all bumbling idiots
You totally missed the point of Tomb Raider.
In my opinion the Lara Croft movies managed it very well to add flaws and insecurities to a COMPUTER GAME character... it was pretty clear that she had decided to hide her emotions due to past trauma. That's very much the opposite of a girl boss that abuses everyone with her uncontrolled emotional outbursts.
These movies are just proof that you need marketing skills to be a producer. And to know when to say “No” to really bad pitches that make you look more inclusive, when in reality it embarrases you in the future
Kate Beckinsale in Underworld is the correct way to do a girl boss.