David A. Bednar goes TOO FAR?
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- See what helpful advice David A. Bednar has for a young lad who just wants to know how to get back to reading his scriptures!
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When I was a little girl with ADHD, the way we'll-meaning grown ups thought to correct was to say "you're not being very obedient" "don't be lazy" "you should keep your room clean" (when as if just wanting to do it would make it happen.)
This taught me to feel shame every time I didn't comply with my own good intentions.
Now, as an adult, I teach myself systems to accomplish things, and I teach myself to do fewer things, because I have limited time and energy.
Shame and control tactics, even with the best intentions, do not take someone from wanting to build a habit to having that habit. It only makes them feel bad about not doing it.
Poor kid. I wish I could mentor him on how you read his scriptures more consistently. I was never perfect at it, but I know more about strategies than Bernar seems to.
That poor kid!
I am still traumatized by an area authority calling me in front of a hundred or so other missionaries to practice a baptismal invitation. I was not feeling "the spirit" that day and certainly did not want to be there, much less try and perform for others. I just said some un-manipulative, to-the-point question like "Do you want to be baptized?" and let him critique me just so I could get out of there as soon as possible. And I was a 21-year-old missionary. I can't even imagine how that poor young boy dealt with this.
They zeroed in on his crying little face and his friends saw it. So humiliating for a kid. I hope he’s not bullied.
What? Oh hell no. I can’t watch this child cry. What the hell does this beautiful boy have going in, in order to feel THIS bad about himself!!!! Omg this is triggering. Family probably celebrated the day their boy was emotionally injured by a big name G15.
Stop the man with the obnoxious personality and snarky attitude.
David Bednar. This is gross.
It’s really gross. You’re too close to even realize how horrible this entire video is.
Not just once but several times. Poor kid. :(
Another sad part of this...is that everyone there probably thought they were feeling the holy ghost. The audience is laughing/smiling at the end. Not knowing the difference between manipulation vs Holy Ghost is going to set them up for confusion etc.
I wonder if it is deliberately that way in the church, that we are taught not to know the difference?
I dont think the confusion between the abuse and Holy Ghost are deliberate. I think manipulations and teaching us that God is conditional is deliberate in order to control the masses. The stockholm syndrome Holy Ghost is just a side effect..lol 😏
@@NEMOTHEMORMON “The ravening wolves are amongst us, from our own membership, and they, more than any others, are clothed in sheep's clothing, because they wear the habiliments of the priesthood…We should be careful of them.” J Reuben Clark... now look up the phrase “revelation of the method.”
There is no difference. They're being manipulated into feeling the elevation emotion. Elevation is no more the "holy ghost" than laughter is of the devil. They're normal human emotions. Emotions aren't strictly limited to the obvious ones like anger, sadness, happiness, fear, etc. Disgust is also an emotion. That warm elevated feeling is an emotion. There are many, many emotions. None of them are an external being "speaking" to us. All of them are internal. The only external factors are those that bring them out in us. Indoctrinating people into thinking that one of their natural emotions is the Holy ghost is nothing more than a very clever (but run of the mill age old religious/cult) means of manipulation and control. The Mormon Church didn't invent it. They're just following the play by play of many other, less flimsily constructed and ridiculously fraudulent religions that came before them.
Thanks Bednar. That was a great presentation on how the LDS Church is a works based religion. Every time the young man did something he could get closer to heaven. LDS church teaches the complete opposite of what Christ did for us.
This makes me want to-with permission-hug my shy little Mormon grandson. As a timid person with timid offspring, my heart was hurting for that little boy as I watched this. The bear hug from behind was terrifying.
Thank you for your great work, Nemo. 💜
His mother should have come up with him and stood by him. Some kids are autistic or have social anxiety and Elder Bednar was completely insensitive to this as a possibility. When he saw the boy tearing up Bednar should have asked others to come up so he wouldn't be the spotlight and humiliated.
It was creepy and wrong!!! An old man should not bear hug a young child from behind!
@@upwherethesundontshine5602 exactly! He didn't even ask the child if he could do it! It totally packed consent and was creepy!!
@@hankleigh9356 It would have been great if that kid had the courage to tell him, Don't touch me.
Super cringe! This clip doesn’t age well.
I feel this kids pain. Always feeling like you will fall short and nothing you do is good enough. "How can I be good enough" was his real question. "Look at the carpet" was his answer.
The real purpose of carpets / rugs is to pray facing Mecca five times each day. Duh.
I think of the significance in saying "Look at the carpet". As if to say "keep your head down" (be submissive), "avert your gaze", and "know your place and never attempt to step out of line, or else".
As a person who grew up in the LDS faith. I can honestly say that this boy's emotional reaction is very raw and genuine. Why?! Because it's all preconditioned emotional reactions that have been indoctrinated into every fiber and soul of each member since birth or conversion. Looking from the perspective of this boy, he's been taught to believe that Elder Bednar is one of God's chosen vessels, that being said, his emotional reaction in his mind and that of others in the room is being interpreted as "him feeling the holy ghost". All I can say is manipulation starts from an early age.
Bednar was OUT OF LINE to grab him from behind. That felt like intimidation. What a bully. This is sick. And everyone laughing like sheep.
That child has all the signs of a repressed and invalidated youth. I remember feeling that way anytime I was put on the spot or even had someone take the time to explain things. Maybe I'm just projecting but the boys reaction makes what Bednar is saying even more oppressive in my mind. Seeing all of these tactics after I have left the church really reiterates how much brainwashing is forced onto you so young. I am so glad that I am out of this nonsense.
Thanks for your comment about apostle Uctdorff. During the Monson presidency I felt the lds church was coming around to being more kind and understanding. Now, all three of the first presidency give me chills up my spine, especially Oaks. Also, Bednar gives me the creeps.
Absolutely! Like, counting the president, 4 of the worst people to lead a church!
Same. I do believe we’ve been led into apostasy by our leaders...
@@apropos4701 Well I can’t promise a short reply...President Kimball said, There will be no general warning to the membership of the Church that things will be shortly falling apart. We have been commanded to follow the signs of the times and that is all the warning we need or will be given. But the membership is asleep. Like the ten virgins, we have been commanded to watch and prepare, but like the people in the days of Noah, many members have become lulled into a sense of security. This 'lack of warning' is designed to weed out the tares; the 'all is well in Zion" crowd....when the cry sounds, there is no time for preparation." ("Faith Precedes the Miracle", Chapter 23). I do believe we are in the last days and we are witnessing 2 Nephi 19:14-16. The BoM warns us that our leaders will lead us astray. Members seem to think the scriptures are talking about everyone except us...but that is false...the BoM is literally talking about us. Members of the church. The belief that our leaders will never lead us astray is dangerous rhetoric said at the pulpit. They speak of Him but know Him not. They lay claim to the BoM but do not teach from it. Isaiah warns us, Jeremiah warns us, Nephi warns us, Joseph Smith warns us. D&C 1 is pretty clear. The introduction of the BoM literally says “that Joseph Smith is His revelator and prophet in these last days” and “contains the fulness of the everlasting gospel.” Full stop. I believe the infinite salvation checklist is a distraction and false doctrine. I believe this Presidency will issue a call to follow the prophet in complying with the NWO, under the guise of obedience. The BoM isn’t talking about the church members and everyone else, as if we’re the righteous minority...It’s talking about members of the church who follow the doctrine of Christ and members who “have strayed from mine ordinances, and have broken mine everlasting covenant.” We are taught to pray for truth concerning the BoM and JS. Because we receive confirmation of these truths, we automatically assume the rest of the church is true, rest of our leaders are legit, continuing revelation is all true...but we should be praying to receive confirmation of truth from every leader, about every revelation. 1 Nephi 12, 2 Nephi 28, D&C 93...Read the BoM as if they are prophesying about members of the church in the latter days, it is powerful and eye-opening.
@@apropos4701 3 Nephi 4: 16 & 18. It literally says “in the twenty and first year...”
@@apropos4701 If only they would give us the opportunity...but they won’t...
His crying breaks my heart. 😢
Me too sista
Wow, I've never seen this, but I'm so glad you did an analysis of it. This reminds me of a Sunday school teacher I used to have who bragged about how he had never even once in his life run a yellow light, that he would even go so far as to slam on the brakes if the light turned yellow right as he was about to go through the intersection. 🤢
He sounds like a safe driver… 🙄
And since then they have said pay no attention to previoys prophets ie never mind they are who wrote most if not all scripture...so which is it all powerful Corporation?? This breaks my heart for all the youth being manipulated and shamed. If they don't follow to the letter they will be ghosted and erased.
When Bednar says the kid would be out of control, I think he means out of “their” control.
Trevor, yes, like a true narcissist --- this was actually said to me about growing up at home "i was terrified when you got a job at 16 because it would mean, i couldn't control you anymore" -- but said in a VERY un-self-aware way --- because in the lds cherch - control is love and some members buy into it, because they already want that control over others - like Bednar and my parental figure. You can tell in a family, who really pushes the indoctrination and who is just along for the ride.
@@cherylstokes636 that's really interesting..my parents left the church but still the control factor was a huge part of my upbringing and was detrimental to my development as an independent person.
@@Katiegirlluv i think a certain personality type or types is drawn to these kinds of high demand groups -- if not mormonism, maybe something else --- i see alot of really culty behaviour in multi level marketing for example or political groups -- some people need to control, some need to be controlled and others - like us - want the freedom to control ourselves, at least that's how i feel about it
@@cherylstokes636 Amen sista
A visual demonstration of thought stopping . Don’t look, don’t question what’s on the other side of the line. Just do what you’re told, keep your head down and keep giving that 10% of your wages and pray for a temple recommend and you’ll get to go to heaven.
If people don't understand the absolute paralyzing fear-based culture that permeates the Mormon church on why people feel they need to "hussle" for their salvation, and why people don't feel the Grace of Christ or worthy, just watch this video. Couple this kind of teaching with worthiness interviews and litmus tests to enter the "House of the Lord" and you have a recipe for scrupulosity and a lifetime of shame, guilt & never feeling we are worthy or doing enough to "earn" our way. It's culty AF.
Grow up and be honest.
AMEN!
Coward. Instead of telling the truth that you couldn't follow God in any capacity, you want to go crying like a baby. Hypocrite.
@@jpr9863 you don't even know what the word means.
Amen!
WOW! How in the world could the parents keep allowing their son to be treated like that? He just asked a simple question & then for people to laugh at him? They should be ashamed of themselves.
Bednar didn't once ask the child if he wanted to participate. He told him what to do at all times.
Brainwashing at its finest.
Very true
He says "Would you...?" That's asking.
Pedo
@@healthyfruitarianvegan_stories: Yep.
Another great video, Nemo! Your comparison of listening and observing and his “teaching” video is brilliant!
Glad you enjoyed it! Apologies about the technical problems!
Wow! Why wasn't the young boy distress addressed? This was overkill, and frightening the young lad was disturbing as hell!
What a disturbing video! Couldn't anyone in the audience see the child was terrified? Why didn't any of them speak out? And why Couldn't Bednar recognize that he was frightening the boy? Clearly the power of discernment is not present in this man. Thanks for sharing it nemo!
Perhaps a bit of his 2nd anointing leaking out.. showing through.
Permission to do anything in the world, you get a backstage pass to heaven. It’s hard to not see thru that lense now, for me. You’re already the cock of the walk.. millionaire- at the very least, and now your power is so great, you and JC and God are on the same level. Imagine that. Like old pals. Wow the ultimate narcissist snack!! Tell them, they’ve already passed every test, they’ll so totally buy that! ✍🏼
Because, imagine the social and perceived spiritual repercussions if they had!
The rug was there for this reason. He was just waiting for the right moment to do his stupid demonstration
Yeah, the question was surely planted right? I wonder whether the kid knew he was then gonna get paraded around?
i think the whole thing was prearranged with the parents and boy ,
I imagine they told the kid what to ask but he had no idea it would turn out like THAT. I agree he was expecting the usual: set a timer, mark a calendar, etc. Not that you either do what I tell you (I AM a general authority, you know) or you’ll feel Satan’s grip dragging you into outer darkness for evvvver.
I spent my childhood with my shoulders up around my ears terrified I might’ve already committed an unforgivable sin. Then when I let a boy put his hand up my shirt, I thought oh god now what am I gonna do? I like this but I don’t want to go to hell. 🤔
A child reached out to a trusted adult to ask for support on how to do better in what THAT ADULT WANTS HIM TO DO and he puts him in front of an audience, grabbing and holding him and telling him he's trapped by Satan. "You're not even trying very hard." The kid already clearly felt bad, and wanted to "do better"(from a faithful perspective) and Bednar just doubled down on those bad feelings. Not good ones. That is not the lesson that child needed. What the crap......
That kid will never ask an apostle a question again.
Maybe, but you can't know for sure.
This made me feel really uncomfortable, I was imagining him doing this to my daughters!
Watch the talk he gives with his wife, she is like a frightened crushed mouse..So sad. 😩
Bendnar showed his true colours. Never asked if the Kid was Ok. Probably just thought the child was so overwhelmed to be in his presence. Ahhh I hate that guy
Bednar is the Bogieman kids should be afraid of….🙀
I have a feeling the poor kid had been shamed by his parents or leaders for not reading the scriptures regularly and then prodded to ask this question. So, he may have started the whole segment already feeling like an inadequate sinner not measuring up. Maybe I'm putting myself in his shoes from how I felt at that age and how there often is this passive aggressive push by parents and leaders to use things against you, like forgetting to pray, read scriptures, and what not regularly, to add to the list of other struggles like keeping up with school work or sibling relationship friction. I felt so bad seeing this video and can fully empathize with the child. I really hope he's doing OK.
After studying narcissism, this is quite the display of a grown man not realizing it's wrong to use and terrorize a boy - to make a point the grown man wants to make. Poor boy. I know what it's like to be dominated and feel powerless. The grown man could not feel the pain he was inflicting. Boy: What's the best way to get back to reading the scriptures? Grown man: Fear my boy, fear of the devil, who will push you where you don't want to be, like I did, and then wrapped my arms around you so you couldn't move, and then smirked at how strong I am. That'll do it!
Great analysis, Lee M.
I am watching on replay and I am absolutely horrified and I am 9 minutes in xx
It's a struggle, no pun intended!
Thanks for documenting this. When I tell people church wasn't a safe place for me and they look at me like I'm crazy - this video documenting fear indoctrination is valuable. The worst part about people looking at me like I'm crazy is I start to wonder if I'm crazy. But that's good ol' gaslighting(unintentional for the most part I'm sure) for you. Thanks for helping me hold onto sanity.
Some major manipulation and fear tactics going on here… and what is wrong with an adult audience who laughs at this awful stuff. Bednar is not a child psychologist, and has no right to inflict his untrained opinions on a young boy. So creepy….😱
The audience are all brainwashed into thinking HE’S AN APOSTLE = a holy man who can’t do anything inappropriate. I’m sure they stood when he entered and stayed standing until he sat. Very weird hero worship.
@@DancingQueenie He is only an Apostle in his own deluded narcissistic mind. He is a controlling vain man, just look at his poor downtrodden wife. 😢
@@pattykake7195 Yes she seems to cringe like she’s afraid of his wrath. Or like he might hit her with a water bottle. (Did you see that? He’s horrible. There was also the clip when she started to stand up before HE did.) She looks like someone who’s naturally shy but she speaks really well. Then there are his kids. Who knows what their lives have been like under his rule.
Yes the church is very manipulative! This is another example of the church doing things against someone's consent. It happened at least twice to this young boy, one when he told him to come down instead of ask him, and two when he just bear hugged him. Entirely inappropriate!!!
This is a common phenomena with humans. Anyone see the clip of the Dalai Lama kissing the kid on the mouth, then asking him to suck his tongue? Everyone was just laughing too.
Not defending anyone here, just pointing out that it's a common human reaction, when in a dynamic like this.
My worst regret is not watching this live so I could chat in!! Noooooooo.....
This kind of abuse is why some of us struggle with rage the majority of our lives.
And if Bednar says "go deeper" one more time, I may throw up.
Your last line made me actually laugh out loud! Thanks!
@@Sam-tu4hp always glad to help
@@cherylstokes636 I just had to tell you, your comment popped into my head again today and it made me chuckle. “Go deeper” haha! That’s my sense of humor right there. Thanks again!
@@Sam-tu4hp thank you, have an awesome, blessed day!!
Great example of the mind control strategy of this organization. Thank you for your demonstration of it!
This is horrible. What’s sad is his parents will probably just tell him that he was “just overwhelmed with the spirit being next to an apostle” when in reality he is scared out of his mind. This is not ok. I feel so bad for this boy
Lmao this wasn’t even bad, criticize the church if it actually matters
@@kyle7574 it all matters. Especially to younger people who are still maturing and learning. So while this wasnt sexual harassment or assault, it may well be a major issue in terms of this kids mental well being.
On the (dimly) bright side, hopefully them calling his fear the spirit will help him recognize that “the spirit” isn’t something he wants in his life, and he can free himself.
The kid asked for tips forming new habits. Instead he was taught scare tactics to instill fear for obedience
Exactly!
This actually made me start to ponder how the church teaches sin to kids. Why do we villify sibling conflict and label it as sin?! That is not healthy is it!?
I was about the same age when a Sunday School teacher used me as an example. Why? Because I laughed at an inappropriate time during the lesson. He was a local football star, some 8 or 9 years older than me--a much bigger size difference than the one between this boy and Bednar. The SS teacher held me while everyone in the class--some 10 or 12 people--came a punched me in the stomach. Then he smacked me on the head and everyone thought it would be fun to hit me on the top of the head so he held me which they all took a turn doing that as well. Why teachers feel the need to have things their way--making their own point--despite the cost has always troubled me. The football player? Well, he went on to be a Bishop, a member of a Stake Presidency, and a Mission President...
That’s horrible, Randall. That was straight up abuse. I am sorry that you had that happen to you. I am thinking of my own sons in such a position and it’s heartbreaking.
Absolutely horrible!
Are you planning on reacting to the recent Elder Holland talk?
I would love to see a compilation of Bednar failing to answer questions because he’s got his own agenda. He used to be my favorite apostle, but when I first saw this video, I was disgusted. Now I’m noticing more and more ways that he’s not the great man of God I thought he was.
That unrequested Bednar cuddle made me cringe inside... boundaries my dude 😅
Absolutely!
@@NEMOTHEMORMON and the poor kid's face the whole time... kid was not interested in an object lesson at that moment, probably dying to just sit down 😂
@@Silverdust4797 Yip, he won't be asking a question again. I wonder if he was pressured into asking this time.
It seems like it was pre planned. Like this little boy was asked to give a scripted question and Bednar already had this whole thing set up. The rug was obviously staged, right? So everyone just totally ignored how uncomfortable this little boy was entirely. Sad.
Bed are has said that the right technique is to restate someone’s question into a form that is better for you to teach a lesson.
The kid feeling super uncomfortable while the parents are drooling over bednar. Smh.
This poor kid!!! He's literally crying and Bednar just ignores him and forces him into compliance--and brings fear into the kid!! It is so sad!!
I'm embarrassed for everyone there. The boy, Dave and the audience.
This is heartbreaking.
ALL THE ADULTS WATCHED AND LET THIS HAPPEN?!?!? This is disgusting! And inappropriate! And the boy CLEARLY was extremely uncomfortable but, like you said, David marched on with his pathetic metaphor at this boy’s expense.💔😭 What a sicko.
Bednar is so so controlling, arrogant, doesn't respect boundaries of others, I have never been able to stand him. He's so pleased with himself for becoming an apostle, he thinks he deserves to be worshiped, and have his every word hung on, memorized ugh. He's disgusting. That poor little boy. Bednar always gives me a sick dark feeling
I’m not a professional, but having been raised by then married to narcissists, I get a cold chill when I see and hear this self satisfied, manipulative asshole. He’s a bully.
@@DancingQueenie yes! I feel the same way! He makes me feel sick to my stomach honestly, always did, even when I believed. I'm sorry you had/have to deal with a narcissist in your family❤️
@@arielkmusic Thank you. I’ve learned a lot about narcissistic abuse and working out who I really am. I’m doing great. The good news is that when you recognize them, you can avoid or deal with them without getting caught in their crazy dramas.
@@DancingQueenie aw I'm so glad to hear you've learned and grown from your experiences and are stronger for it 💗
@@arielkmusic that’s what life is all about! ❤️
Your volume is low after correction at beginning.
But regardless I love your commentary and input.
Keep it up sir!
Made the kid cry. Freaking jerk
That was hard to watch!!! It was so off. Why didn't he notice or care that the child was frightened and crying and humiliated? Why did the audience just smile and laugh? Why didn't his mother put a stop to the abuse?? And when Bednar held onto the boy from behind and told him to struggle....that was disgusting!!! Then he said, "I'm pretty strong for an old guy." That is giving me sexual abuse vibes. The whole thing is witnessed by an audience....the boy's own parent...and it's filmed! And what is the little boy supposed to take away from that? How about this: "I can be publicly shamed and humiliated by powerful authority figures and no one will ever help me, and in fact, I should be grateful for the experience. The fact that that was an awful experience for me, and that every fibre of my being felt repulsed and outraged, doesn't matter. I must be wrong, and everyone else, including this "apostle of God" and my own mother, must know better than me."
Also, I am sure that was planned out. Bednar had his little "object lesson" thought up before hand, and the boy was told to ask that question. That's not something a kid would have asked or even cared about. "If I stop reading the scriptures, how do I start reading them again?" Give me a break! So the parents agreed to it beforehand. But giving the parents the benefit of the doubt, they probably didn't know that it was going to be THAT creepy and that their boy would cry. So in the same way, I am sure his mom felt powerless as well to stop the filmed "object lesson" and to question what an "apostle of God" was doing with her son. That was just awful all around!
Is Bednar trying to prove that he is a devil?
Bingo!! Lol
I’ve seen this video of Bednar before. It’s beyond disturbing, emotional abuse in the highest form, humiliating and self serving. Bednar is an unkind, CREEPY man. Shame on him!!!
Bednar is definitely fighting his closeted urges and this is proof. The question is, who is a bigger creeper… Bednar or Rusty?
Bednar is way creepier 😬
what are you talking about? yes hes a creep but don,t assume things like that , it weakens your argument and strengthen theirs... makes them believe the xmo has got the spirit of the devil .
@@v2snider1 some of us dont give a fuck what they think
🙄 no. This is proof he raised three sons. Good grief you people.
Hey Nemo, just a quick question for ya… would you be interested in doing a video on the recent homophobic speech using muskets by Holland? It affected a lot of the LGBTQ+ students who attended BYU and there was a huge pride march proceeding days after on the Utah BYU campus.
Many "active in the Church" members would think that Bednar's performance here is brilliant, because . . . well, because it's Bednar! They figure these guys are so semi-deity that anything that escapes their lips HAS to be pure gold. The whole spectacle is actually pretty absurd, and should appear so to any semi-intelligent, semi-conscious normal human.
What if he was only asking because he wanted to help a family member read their scriptures more and he was just being shown what he believes will happen to that member he was trying to help 🫤 he was terrified and frozen with fear. He looked like he was hurting.
In regards to Sister Bednar, she and Elder Bednar did a face to face fireside for youth in 2016 or 2017 where he straight up said she was no longer physically beautiful because she's old and her physical beauty had decayed. She was sitting right next to him when he said that. He said she was still beautiful to him because of her good spirit and righteousness, but I doubt that helped at all after his previous comment. You know his his words had to have hurt her deeply. :/
Poor kid has been traumatized for life, seriously.
You are great presenter - I enjoy listening to you!
Bednar gives me the creeps and I'm an senior adult.....
Unbelievable manipulation.
Nemo, that clip at 12:08 is just brilliant!
The boy wanted to be brave and ask a question to this looked up to man. He was not counting on being made to be in front of others. Bednar was trying to finish his point but he took it too far. He should have ended his point so much sooner.
Much sooner indeed!
Would have been funny if the boy had of flick his heel upwards in to Bednar's gonads, when he had him hold
I think he's got this backwards. It's the ones inside the church who don't have control. The church doesn't just have a creepy hold on them like Bednar does with that kid, it has a BITE (model) on them.
But not only is his point completely bass ackwards, he's also assaulting a child to make his point. Yes, assaulting. That is completely inappropriate contact and the kid couldn't be any more obvious in his discomfort. He didn't even try to get away when told by Bednar to do so because he was frozen in place in what is clearly a trauma response.
I don't know what's more disgusting and damaging, the message he's sending or the way he's chosen (for no good reason) to send it. He couldn't think of a better message or a better way to get it across? If that's what he does on camera in front of an audience, I shudder to think where his boundaries (or lack thereof) lay behind closed doors
Oh my good that poor kid. And yes he absolutely did use that kid to make his own preplanned points.
WTF I have just watched. After leaving church I didn’t really watch church videos but this one…
I know, it’s pretty horrific!
Oh my goodness what a soft woke world we live in! It’s obvious what Elder Bednar’s intent and purpose was. The kid was a bit timid in front of others. I cried at my elementary program with adults staring at me. You want to hear my stories of coaches’ behavior around me and my teammates? The cussing, screaming, yanking, - one former coach (a once boxer) smacking my face around 10 plus times. Why are you not addressing those educational experiences?
Elder Bednar was teaching with an experience/object lesson that those participating won’t forget. Elder Bednar is an educator and he knows what will stick. You from the outside world trying to make things into something that’s not - “sexualizing” everything.
It’s a better mindset to think that Satan will “bind you” than the “oh I can always just stop the doing, repent after I embed myself in the fun and get back everything I had before”.
Sure there is always a way to turn around but don’t be nieve that the path to overcome addictions, consequences and hurt is as easy as it sounds. There is no need to shame I very much agree but we also need to recognize the mocking of the Lord’s standards when we rationalize our disobedience. As Elder Bernar showed the solution is facing and making moves towards the Lord - not away.
Betnar should not feel this comfortable touching a child like this. But could he come up with a much better analogy? Without a child? I could. Church teaches Guilt, shame, inadequacy, mind control, lack of worthiness, and fear. Fear fear fear . This is so unnecessary when we just teach positivity not devils, maybe our children will be more excited about living the gospel . They teach more about hell and damnation, ( d and c. ) than the positive effects of God's love. Leaders teach among each other confusion and contradict each other over and over the place. How does this happen in the only true church on the planet?? What do they say one negative takes 15 plus positive to correct.
I did not see any room left for the Holy ghost
Bednar's long, over-explained object lesson was at once creepy, abusive, and infantile. No wonder adult members don't have the spiritual maturity to deal with anything other than homogenous orthodoxy.
This isn't the first time I've seen him bully a child.
I think the main legacy of JS is teaching the Brethren how to cross lines they shouldn't cross
You can't hear what your saying when the video clip is playing and you are trying to talk over what they are saying.
Thanks for letting me know!
Hey, so I’m about 5 mins in and I just can’t watch it anymore because of the audio. I can hear the video you are playing and your voice commenting but both voices overlay and I’m having trouble understanding what’s going on. Maybe this is something that can be fixed in editing? Because I really am interested in what you have to say.
Thanks for raising this, tonight was replete with technical issues! I will re-record and re-upload the analysis at a later date, keep your eyes peeled!
poor boy looks like he's about to cry. he didn't need to be made an example of. he just asked a simple question that should have had a similarly simple answer.
How uncomfortable for the boy…I hope it was pre discussed with the child so he was humiliated in front of the audience.
I doubt it, but I could be wrong!
It was difficult to see the child cry…I doubt in the long run that the child will stay faithful. That will be a traumatic experience he won’t get over.
I wondered if the kid was planted in the front row. And his parents sitting their grinning and nodding. Bednar is a self satisfied asshole.
He sexual abused that kid in Front of everyone and no one does anything!!?? That is complete mind control!! When will you people wake up and leave that demonic place??!! My God!! When will you take all of them away??!! Not even in the comments noone says anything about this?? So discusting!!
Links to your "Bednar On Teaching" have been made "private"
Interesting…
I don't know where it started but if you repented and then made the same mistake then it would be harder to repent again because you have to take extra steps but they never told you what the extra steps were... It was a damaging unchristian teaching. Glad they got rid of it (but swept it under the rug)
That is creepy AF that he bear hugs a little kid!! That is so wrong!! Poor child!! That old man never should have hugged the boy like that! How is nobody speaking out about that!!!?
Now I know why most members feel guilt, shame and fear.
Why so many critics? Can't y'all just have respect for the Lords Apostles. Critics about the Church does no good. Find something better to talk about on your page.
This was so uncomfortable to watch. The manipulation and fear Bednar displays to this child is really unnerving. If you are religious and believe in sin, there are surely better ways to teach that concept.
Agreed! There are better ways than this!
Nemo doesn't tell the truth. One word, lifestyle.
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@@michaelgrey7854 What you didn't know?
In this particular video, Nemo's commentary is not needed to display how bednar went too far. @@WatchingwaitingG2D
@@macdonald2k Are you really that stupid? You're just a fake post anyway.
It was violating the young boy’s boundaries. He did not ask for permission to move him around KNOWING that he is an Apostle and the child will internalize this!!!
You can edit the video to chop out the silent part at the beginning.
Awesome, so you can! I have done so but kept in some of the chatter about it not working!
love the $10 horse
Bednar is wrong. If you call out to Christ He is more power ful than Satan . Christ is faithful to forgive. It was fear mongering. Christ is not of fear.🙁
Good job Nemo.
Nemo, would you please stop the video when you comment,? thanks
All of you here saying poor kid this…. Bednar that…. And Memo saying, “all the kid was asking for was studying advice….”
Guys…. Bednar was clearly helping the kid answer his question by grasping the greater principle behind it and role playing as a way to instill the lessons within the principle as it applies to his question!!!
And yeah he grabbed him… that wasn’t sexual everyone… maybe you’re all projecting your own thoughts into this???? Maybe???? So maybe check yourselves on that???
And the kid was crying yeah… could it be that he could be crying for different reasons than the ones you’re all assuming he was???
Do aaaaany of you ever spoke with the kid? And asked him??? 🤦🏻♂️
Oh yeah and regarding the shame argument…. Elder Bednar was showcasing what happens when we make choices that lead us away from truth and light…. “Wickedness was never happiness”
And right after he said “remember what it felt like to be over there” as a way to get back on track…. Hence the original question… “how do I get back to reading the scriptures”?
C’mon guys… this comment section and reaction looks more like ppl trying to find something to assure themselves of whatever prejudice or idealisms… rather than what is actually there!
Good on Elder Bednar. Everyone else… do better guys. Oh yeah and i say that Starting with me! :) I catch myself doing what I’ve seen you all doing here all the time. :)
With the history of Mormon prophets this kind of behavior by bishops and upper leadership of the Mormon church should not be surprising.
Bednar used this kid to push teachings he wants to deliver. Kid asked a simple question gets a lecture on inescapable evil that will mentally crush him every time he sins. Such an uplifting lesson not
Yeah, instead of helping him find joy in scripture side, he just reinforced that it's something to do to AVOID something scary. The scrupulosity for everyone who took this to heart probably increased tenfold.
Oh my Hell that was so disturbing. Bednar is despicable.
They just "happened" to have some big rug on that lecture floor that bednar could use to illustrate his point?.....
Bednar’s kids and wife probably went through and suffered from his abuse!
Audio? Ok. It came on. Very low volume however
Thanks for letting me know, we had lots of technical issues this evening!
@@NEMOTHEMORMON you are very wonderful. I wish I could know you.
so? where's the vocal????
Video starts @ 1:40
Apologies, the live stream was beset by tons of technical problems!
This is awfully wrong in so many levels😐😰😰 the moment the kid started crying, elder Bednar should have had the human decency to let him go sit again or AT LEAST give some kind words. Instead he made him perform a representation of how by not reading scriptures everyday he would be grasped by the devil with no way of going back to "God territory". The kid was obviously super uncomfortable and did not wanted to be there omg. This was so triggering to watch