The WEALTH of Mormon Temple Builders
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- Who builds Mormon Temples? The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has over a hundred billion dollars of wealth. One of the places they choose to spend this wealth, is the building of temples. Unlike regular meetinghouses, mormon temples are extravagant and are multi-million dollar buildings. There are several construction firms who build them, and in this video we are exploring the connections between these companies and the LDS church.
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As an architect, I have to say that $2,500/sf for mechanical and plumbing systems for a house of worship is patently absurd and sounds more like money laundering. Even the $300-$400/sf "base" number quoted by the subcontractor is grossly inflated. Think about it. That's $153 million for mechanical/plumbing systems for a 61,466 sf building (about half the size of your average Walmart). For reference, the average cost for art museums (that have very sophisticated HVAC/fire suppression systems and from where we get the term "museum quality" to denote the highest standard of construction) is reported to be around $1,272/sf (Source: Cummings US Construction Per Square Foot Data 2023).
Oh now that’s interesting, and with a source to boot! Consider your comment pinned!
That’s such good information. And helps with a frame of reference.
@@NEMOTHEMORMON Aw, shucks.
Maybe you should mind your own business since the story is mistruths.
Great inside. We are living in PA and I remember hearing that they had some issues with pumping water out from the basement of the Philadelphia Temple as there is under ground parking. The freeway that is next to the Philly Temple was totally flooded a couple years ago. Would they need some special pumps that would help to prevent flooding ? I'm just curious, not making any excuse for the super high costs . Thanks
I live near Layton, UT and the church keeps asking (desperately) each Sunday for volunteers to fill canning assignments at the LDS cannery near us as well as volunteers to clean the temple and church building. In addition to a members calling (and more and more people are starting to have 2 to meet growing needs as less people participate or attend the ward). This is all such a joke to me. Once I learned the church is a $100 billion organization and has more funds than even the catholic church I am dumbfounded they even ask for volunteers for these things. Especially when the cannery assignments are from midnight to 4am on WEEKDAYS and the temple cleaning shifts are from 10 or 11PM for a few hours. Who can do that!! For the love! Hire someone who needs the job and money!
Yes. It's funny that when the Church was relatively poor (by today's standards), they actually hired local members to be full-time or part-time janitors for temples, stake centers and ward buildings. Once they had so much money that they don't even know what to do with it, they decided to fire all of the paid cleaners and have members contribute even more free labor (on top of all the other things that the members give to the church leaders for free) to clean toilets and scrape boogers off of pews. Something's rotten in the Church Office Building.
@@TEAM__POSEID0NYes that’s what upsets me is they used to pay needy members for these jobs. I remember getting up early as a middle schooler and picking peaches
Try not to cry too much when Satan comes looking.
@@WatchingwaitingG2D Satan? What are you talking about?
@@WatchingwaitingG2D Sounds like you have some experience with that. What does that Satan character do when he comes looking? Is it like he's just standing outside your bedroom looking through the window, or is he off in the distance peering through binoculars? Or were you meaning to write "Santa" and got your letters mixed up? When Santa comes looking, be careful not to step in reindeer droppings.
Zwick's father was my husband's mission president, more than 40 years ago. When Zwick moved into leadership, he came to our stake conference in Michigan. My husband was thrilled to have the connection. Now, husband is dead, and I have been in Portland for a long time. The roof of the Portland temple leaked for years and years. I do not know if they finally fixed it the last time they tried, or if it is still leaking. We have been hearing stories about high level church leaders giving contracts to family members for temples for a long time. Not just the building of it, but the furnishings, carpet and everything else that goes into the building - all the subcontracting stuff. Just saying that the Mormon world is a very small place. Thanks for your time and research, Nemo.
Amazing how much the Corp of the President mirrors familial and corrupt government of men.
So, who is the more dishonest of you 2? Baby Nemo or you?
@@WatchingwaitingG2D Exactly what did each of them say that is dishonest?
@@MrEnjoivolcom1 If you have to ask, you're just as much a hypocrite.
@@WatchingwaitingG2D here's big bad barry. All words with no substance. Unlike Nemo.
"Truth does not fear investigation and cannot be harmed. Truth has the strength to withstand scrutiny. Truth that cannot be scrutinised is not truth and ought to be harmed."
Bazza what are you afraid of? The true?
"Nobody is getting rich"
That is almost an admission that it is happening.
they GOT rich...
They’re not getting rich. They already are rich. 😉
a massive redistribution of wealth from the tithe-paying members, to ensign peak fund, to LDS owned contracting firms all run on the church's massive real estate development and temple building operations
Pyramid scheme with religious underpinnings. Or should I say "Foundation."
@kaijus. Could their burrowings & land grabbing & "renovation" of properties from Hawaii to New Hampshire, New York to New Zealand back to Florida & out to Arizona be discovered, the shoddy materials, workmanship, exploitation of renters & upset of home-purchase - these go far beyond "redistribution of wealth." They go beyond words; beyond comprehension. They come straight up out of the Pit, and in service of it. All the while, claiming to themselves the name of Christ.
The church built a whole slew of little temples in the eastern part of the US during the Hinkley era. I even went to the dedication for the one in Ohio. Fast forward 20-25 years and almost every single one of those temples has had to be stripped down to the studs and rebuilt because whoever chose the materials didn’t understand how humid it gets in this part of the country and they had rampant mold issues.
Got any sources for this, it’s a video in the works but would love any extra info you can share
Wait? What??? I thought they were supposed to be built to last into the Millennium so that all the voodoo/proxy work for dead people can go into hyper-drive. (Still haven't figured out how or why voodoo ordinances using living people as effigies for dead people would ever be necessary for anything. But I guess that's not for me to question.)
No sources because its a false statement. In facts its a flat out lie...While a small handful of largely vary old temples have had to go through renovation none has had to go through being stripped down to the studs...that's absurd...
@@NEMOTHEMORMON Not a source in the strictest sense, but I live in the Raleigh, NC area and our temple here was demolished and rebuilt. Mold was cited as a reason. It was one of the Hinckley McTemples.
As the LDS themselves say, "Follow the Profit".
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I live in Layton and active in the Syracuse stake and understand the craziness here. Two new temples in the area and they are having a difficult time finding enough volunteers to staff either one of them
Yes, at this point, I think even many faithful members are scratching their heads and wondering why there's this huge push to "dot the landscape" with new MacTemples...when even the existing temples can barely justify their existence due to dwindling use. It's almost like the top leaders (the so-called "prophets, seers and revelators") know that they actually have nothing of spiritual value or wisdom to offer, so they just try to generate excitement by announcing new temples. "Look another new temple!" I guess it used to be exciting, back when there were just a few temples in the whole world. But now it generates as much excitement as promising to take a kid to MacDonalds...in circumstances where the lazy parent has actually been taking the kid to MacDonalds everyday for the past 3 weeks. "Look, if you behave, I'll get you another Happy Meal!... Mom, I'm tired of Happy Meals and all the toys are the same as the last 50 Happy Meals!"
Already filled. Try again with your fake comments.
@@WatchingwaitingG2Dyou poor fool
Have dedication dates been announced for Syracuse and Layton? I think for Layton, yes? I could look it up but feeling lazy today. Thanks.
@@WatchingwaitingG2D Appreciate your insight, Barry.
I had a friend that cut her hand badly when at the cannery doing peaches. They slaped a bandaid on it and sent her to the emergancy room for her father to pay for the injury. It was a very bad cut. The function of her hand was permently effecterd. The church offered nothing except to advise her to pray and have faith.
Dishonesty run in your family?
@@WatchingwaitingG2D Her name was Julie and the cannery was in the Sacramento area in 1971. I DON"T LIE! It serves no purpose when you are a 70 year old grandma. Shame on you child!
I've heard entirely too many horror stories from the used and abused. Much of what I heard was at the dr office. Many blessings ya'll.
@@WatchingwaitingG2D wow
@@WatchingwaitingG2D We all really appreciate your great comments, Barry. Keep it up!
Thank you for all the research and work you do! Your videos are an invaluable resource for those seeking truth, wherever it takes them.
How much "truth" do you think you are getting from someone who is making money from bashing the church?
My ex FIL, who was bishop at the time in PA, was overseeing a new chapel for his ward. He found a curtain installer, the large ones that separate the chapel and gym, for a fraction of the cost. It was denied saying that the church already uses a particular contractor. That cracked his shelf. Btw, he is no longer a member.
The Brethren and their families get rich while the faithful, committed members are taken for granted and treated like fools.
However they give their consent these days
And fleeced.
It makes me angry to see how corrupt the church leaders are. I was a single mother for many years and paid tithing out of my meager funds, which caused a lot of anxiety and stress in my life. All the while the church leaders and their family members were laughing all the way to the bank.
Most of these brethren were wealthy before they were called to serve. In fact they most likely to a pay cut to serve.
Its very hard to emotion out of this, i identify myself as a non mormon, everything that I know now comes from their doing esp from historical events.
My brother did some wood work for a temple. He said it cost THREE THOUSAND DOLLARS for, get this, a BOOKSHELF! It's genuinely disgusting.
A real estate corporate empire posing as a religious institution. Thank you for exposing these criminals, Nemo.
Guilty conscience maybe?
The temples are built by membership tithings.
@@raymond1842
LDS leadership with a conscience? Ha, funny.
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@@johnb5254 I'm talking about the Apostates on this thread and Nemo. They couldn't cut the mustard, so to speak so they find fault with the Church. It is an age-old tactic with the disgruntled ex-Mormons.
Speaking as a life-long member (not active now) ever since watching the Netflix documentary on Warren Jeffs, seeing the construction mafia they held, I said "I bet the church does the exact same. I mean, obviously, where would he get the idea from?"
Don't know whether to laugh or cry, when considering that the temple "ordinances" (such as they are) could actually all be done in a priesthood-dedicated circus tent or in large converted buses. Less comically, the temple facilities could very practically be built at reasonable cost as annexes of Stake Center buildings. The focus on decoration and ostentation in materials and furnishings just looks like an effort to compensate for the lack of substance and beauty in the actual rituals and ordinances. Sorry to say, but no amount of Italian marble and fine crystal chandeliers can make up for how ridiculous a group of temple-goers look when chanting around an altar, dressed up in those creepy costumes.
As it is, they started failing to reach the optimal utilization rate for the temples quite a while ago. Most of the new ones are pointless redundancy on stilts, a fact that just fuels suspicions of money laundering and diverting church money into private pockets through a veil of contracts. "What's that? A contract. Has it a name? It's the contract for the new temple in Peoria. Will you give it to me? I will through the veil upon the five points of cronyism and nepotism...if you'll give my nephew a position on your board of directors and let my fly to Tahiti on your corporate jet."
Reminds me of Scientology's building of opulent buildings to make it "look" like the church is growing but in truth they sit empty because there is no one around to operate them... Things that make you go hmmm 🤔
Good one!
This was a gold comment! Lol
All happening in an opulent "great & spacious bldg" hmmm
You are a great writer!
Thank you! I've lived in Utah 50 yrs and have mormon pioneer heritage. This info you've provided is right in line with the way business is done in Utah state, county and city gov'ts. I recently tried to get a law changed (locally produced medicine contaminated because the law specifically doesn't require contaminant testing) and am amazed at the sneaky corruption that our churchislature does.
Churchislature, Love it!
@@DanielEarth1 Thank you! But I can't take credit, it was @Utah Satire
You’re welcome!
Nemo does it again! Great job and amazing research went into this.
It's called happy-ending research. For Apostates only.
Many stories about church nefariousness Im turn about giving thumbs up because I don't like what's going on but the thumbs up is for your bringing light on covered up stuff. Jay
Glad you like it!
I heard a story about one of the architects building the temples. He's Irish and apparently does (did?) a good job. He's not a member but knew some of the GAs. No idea when this happened, but he was invited to the GA Christmas dinner in Salt Lake City. They served pork roast and he asked if they had any other options as he didn't eat pork. M Russell Ballard was sitting there and joking laughed and said to him, "You aren't Jewish are you?" "Well yes I am," the man answered. Then Ballard said to him you are from Ireland and you don't look Jewish. So the man responded, "What are Irish Jews supposed to look like?"
they look like me, i’m an irish Jew also
I have never like Ballard, he looks like a mean cuss
@dave. What a revolting story; know it's true because just like them. BUT WHO DO THEY MEAN, then, when THEY REFER TO NON-moros as Gentiles??????
@@martincollins2920 He IS a mean cuss. And a lying cuss, too. And a truly hateful cuss. Reckon he is just an all around cuss. He's what a SLC cuss looks like, in case you or anyone you know might be curious.
Great work Nemo --- yes, many of us expected these sweetheart deals, nepotism, and likely no-bid contract situations going on. Keep the wealth with the Brethren!
Move on fake.
@sgee. And watch all the waste of materials, do-overs, and ruined property fall apart in weeks while rents soar & people who've been there 15 yrs have to scurry for shelter. EVEN THE CACTI DIE!
It's called a brain. Try using it sometimes.
@@sheliabryant3997 brain cels as well.
You should look into who sold the land before the building was built
I have been told that rich members of the church are not required to pay tithing, they are encouraged to donate real estate, instead. The tax returns that Mitt Romney released when he ran for President show no evidence of paying tithes. His total charitable giving was in the low single digits.
The Church will always try to get the land DONATED to them if at all possible. In Utah the target Church members with the land and tell them The Lord has given them [land owner] the opportunity to make good on their Temple Covenant to the "Law Of Consecration"
Another thing the Church has done is a qid pro quo donation agreement. I'll never forget President Hinkley announcing the
Oquirrh Mountain Utah Temple
He strategically did it on a Saturday morning General Conference Session, and he specifically stated the location it would be built - in the new Daybreak housing development. WHEN does a prophet ever announce the exact location?! Even as a believing member, I recognized there was a very CLEAR agreement made to promote the development with the donation of the land, AND the Church would endorse the Daybreak development, to enrich the pockets of those developers ... sure enough, members flooded the developers that day and bought out the land surrounding the temple and gotcon waiting lists for the next phases that very afternoon!
@@bapanana1 I’m no longer a member but in the area where I live in Arizona the State Center was built in the development owned by one of the members of the Stake Presidency. Pat my back I’ll pat yours.
@ajadamsv9208 this is The Mormon Way
I started hearing about this almost 10 years ago before I fully left the church. So happy to finally see actual information collected and displayed like this. Keep up the good work.
Cheers!
I work in Utah as a designer. I have done work personally on temples with architects and church designers and been in a lot of them. You have to have a current Recommend to work on them and in them in most cases.
There are so many wasteful hours just on the designs of the locker rooms. There are specific lighting companies, carpet companies, furniture companies that all love the temple contracts.
All these companies import from Italy and other foreign resources just to have the best. Sustainable resources are very low on the priority list.
The multiple design modifications and renditions are wasteful enough with all of the bureaucracy to get each design approved then redesigned.
The rebuilding of the Provo temple was one of the most expensive remodeled buildings in the west when they finished it.
Thanks for sharing, I’m hoping to get into the specifics of the temple fixtures and fittings, and the lack of sustainability in a future video.
You would think, with the Lord directing the work, that they would get it right the first time. All that inspiration and revelation ought to be more useful, wouldn't you think?
But then what would we “learn about ourselves”
@@heathermckell6789 Recently saw a doc on the swindle of rampant, rabid deforestation in Papua, New Guinea under guise & aegis of CARBON CREDIT scheme in which Australians somehow "invest" or "purchase" the credits & the Aboriginal peoples are supposed to receive the monies. AND the forests protected from lumbering. Actually opposite is happening. When I saw the tons of ancient trees piled for hauling out/shipping away & land laid waste like the sprawled carcass of a magnificent last-of-its-kind crea- ture that men have never seen or known except in its destruction, I could only sob. [Y.T. , Four Corners doc.]. My first thot, this is for mormo temples. This was expose of patently CRIMINAL RUSE in both Australia & Papua. Seems from what you say, I was correct. And the WASTE, wherever it is, & the repetition of it, are just DAMNABLE. (I have seen it right under my bedroom window in the state where I live.) Traced the company(-ies) involved in PNG to morms. For all their supposed high degrees (BYU, etc) they really are rather poorly schooled; woefully "educated.". I have been shocked hearing them speak sometimes. I do not mean to be snarky, just to state observable facts. The notion of INHERENT genius, superlative talent, & cosmic entitlement probably has great effect here together with rather insular curriculae at their universities. But that mess in Australia and PNG is just flat UNFORGIVABLE. [Since when has that ever stopped them?] LORDS ALL, & over all, and accountable to NONE. 👹👹👹. 🥺
Keep it up Nemo. I’ve learned so much about the church from you and your podcast . Much more than John and others
Good stuff. You might think about a comprehensive collection of this information into a book.
Just sayin.. Peace! ✌️
Learning about the Church from Nemo is like learning about fossil fuels from climate activists. You are pretty biased against the Church if you are learning anything from this Apostate.
@@raymond1842 Not necessarily is that the case. Was there something specific in the facts check that needs correcting ?
On the contrary, your assertion that getting the correct information from the source has proven time and again deceitful, fabricated, and historically untrustworthy; unabated.
@@romanstarr01 My point is that he is trying to fabricate a scandal where there isn't any. There is nothing wrong with hiring member-owned construction companies that do good work.
@@raymond1842 I understand that, and having the best interest of what the building's purpose, is a given.
But what this demonstrates is a systematic process of nepotism and unethical business practices; where financial enrichment is held in a vacuum.
Why not allow a fair representation of labor and economic benefit to the region the church building will be located in ?
This church has a long and sordid history of this type of protection racket.
I am a contractor in S.L.C. I was working with another company for a non church project. They assumed I was Mormon and said I quote " get you temple recommend and we can get you bidding on some church projects" I was surprised as I have done work for other non Mormon churches not being a member.
In my opinion, the grift is strong in Utah, a wholly owned subsidiary of LDS Inc.
Always happy to see a video from Nemo!
The activities performed within the temples could very easily be done in a re-purposed ward/stake building. Building new temples seems like a vanity project at this point.
Really. Then why do you think the church builds them? They don't make any money in them at all. They keep building them. If they were as dishonest as you and the people who follow baby nemo, they could easily pocket the money. You think just maybe, now this is hard for a pretend Christian like yourself to imagine, but could it possibly be for exactly what they're built for? Now, of course, you're not interested in going anywhere God is, but maybe your ancestors who were much smarter than you currently are might feel differently. Oh well, you just keep enjoying those vices of yours.
What an interesting idea! I feel like Temple attenders like the exclusivity, and ultimately the superiority of being able to enter these luxurious buildings that only the Worthy can enter. If the temple ordinances were not performed in a fancy exclusive building, it would not be as desirable...
@JulieSnowstudiojuliesnow3698 you haven't a clue what you're talking about. You don't go to a church, don't follow God, but like to attack people far better than you could ever be because of your vices. That is why people use you. You can't say no.
Pure vanity. Disgusting.
You miss the point it’s the House of the Lord he deserves the best that money can buy.
I remember a time when the church had full time chapel custodians. They then began cutting back by putting a custodian in charge or more than one chapel. Eventually they were all terminated. Robbie Mc Allister of Leicester was a great bloke.
I feel exactly the same as you for years now I’ve been asking all kinds of leaders stake presidents in like the question why do we not have ward custodians anymore and nobody seems to know for about eight years now I’ve been asking that question and I’m looking for an answer I finally discovered what a corrupt organization full of corrupt individuals this is the world custodian was a marvelous person. I’ll chapels moralizing good repair, always clean and it provided work for some of our elderly or retired brethren when I found out that they don’t call them anymore I asked a question is the church short on money that can’t possibly be right, so what is the answer and nobody in church leader ship can give me an answer
Same!! Our beloved custodian!! He was everything to us and our kids! So so sweet!
This is interesting. I've always believed in the money laundering, but I'm surprised they're not trying to launder any money through cleaning companies as well. All of these volunteer jobs could be staffed by private mormon-owned corporations in order to more successfully launder funding. Why not replace all the volunteers with private contractors owned by someone's cousin?
Please more of this type of information. ☺
"Nobody is getting rich". Translation: Some people with connections and inside information are getting rich. Reminds me of that scene where Bonnie Cordon and Holland are yucking it up about how poor they are. I guess it depends on what the definition of "rich" is. Gordon B. Hinckley liked to compare his "modest stipend" to the salaries of Fortune 500 CEOs. Why, shucks, with such a modest six-figure stipend, i'm practically working for free...for free housing, transportation, expense accounts, tuition for kids, jobs for kids...I'm working for free!
Hold up an minute. The bible clearly states when 2 or more people gather to worship God that is the church, in other words the church can be any where. So why does the Mormon church need such lavish temples?
they are a vast real estate holding corporation.
In the LDS mind these are houses to the Lord. The Lords House. With that in mind, there is nothing too good for the God of all creation.
@@tamaraelsberry6630 Any Lord with good taste would probably prefer a cozy log cabin next to a mountain lake. But nobody ever accused Joseph Smith's and Brigham Young's "God" of having good taste. For that God, a thousand MacTemples with fiberglass steeples and DuraWear (TM) carpeting may be quite delightful.
@@tamaraelsberry6630 The LORD left HIS temple 400 years before Christ came : these fake temples only house familiar spirits that work for Satan and keep Mormons in bondage and blindness.
@@TEAM__POSEID0NGiven the Mormon God's taste for Marriott hotel lobby styles, you can clearly see he once was an American salesman or similar. (King Follett discourse)
Excellent work Nemo.
Thank you kindly!
Well done for exposing this shocking misuse of funds. When the number of members are falling drastically, why are more temples being built? I suppose it convinces members that there is growth. The owners of companies building them are Mormon and enriching themselves. I wonder what the workers are paid. It's a win win for the Church, collecting major tithing, which they've factured into the payments. Nepotism is alive and well in the LDS community.
classic biz move, when biz's are failing best to give the appearance of prosperity. Plus it is a real estate acquisition corporation, and gives them a place to hide funds.
Great investigation, Nemo. Well done. I love the expression, 'heritage families'.
Very well done! How about the Industrial complexes in Kent Washington and Phoenix Arizona costing about $500 million?
Get me some links and I’ll take a look!
Nemo, you are the freaking best!
Haha, cheers!
Definitely more like this, please!
Another one of those situations where you assume it's as bad as this, but it's great to have the specifics. Thanks, as always, for the good work, Nemo
Glad you enjoyed it!
The LDS church has well over $200 Billion Dollars! And they are tight as a drum when it comes to cleaning their buildings, yard work, orchards, canning facilities and other necessities. Ensign Peak must be advising them on how to save money! Oh, except this special members who are overpaid as architects, construction companies, investment advisers, etc.
and about 20M members with the church being only 194 old. seems like they are doing pretty good when the church has a welfare program and food welfare program. how muc longer do mormon men live than the average man on earth(UCLA 25yr study)? 10 years. maybe you should take notes
tight as a drum meaning they make us do it via assignment from our leaders, basically a commandment. And a major waste of our time that could've been used to help someone who actually could use the help
…money that could have done charitable good… Good work, Nemo.
I'm related directly to the Laytons of Layton Construction. LOTS of money and it is always a point of pride that Grandpa Layton built a temple.
My brother (Stake Pres.) worked at a high level at Layton Const., knowing Dave and Alan well. It's very apparent that the church (and their membership status) is a vital key to their success
I'd like to hear more about the latest move to use modular construction - who's making those? Why the shift?
Keep up the good work!
(Edited to correct punctuation)
Noted!
Hi Nemo! I would like to see more videos like this. Thank you for sharing to us what is going on in the mormon church.
Thanks for letting me know!
the prosperity gospel lives on. and with a pseudo-masonic flair that honestly seems like something only the mormons could dream up.
Joseph knew all about chartering banks and fleecing the depositors.
Hire an LDS cleaning company - there are many. Our ward in Las Vegas (many years ago) was assigned to help clean that temple furin a maintenance shutdown. I got to clean the men's bathroom near the Celestial Room. Bad aim by several of the temple workers!
Elder prostates at play.
Sure you did. They wouldn't even let you in.
Apparently, they don't know what those green aprons are for.
@@TEAM__POSEID0N splash guards!
Most guys have bad aim. Many can’t even pee into a urinal hanging on the wall properly
Very enlightening video. I am a post Mormon from the Vancouver area in Canada. When the Vancouver temple was built, my stake president owned a large construction company and bid get the contract to built the temple here as building a temple was his dream. He didn’t get the contract, but did get the contract to build the adjacent church building. The contract to build the temple was awarded to a non LDS (to the best of my knowledge) construction company.
I sort of felt there was a conflict of interest in a serving stake president be awarded to build the temple in his state boundaries (he is one of the larger builders in the Vancouver area). It seems there might have been other reasons for his company not being selected. This man was later called to be a member of the 70 and is (to my last knowledge) our local area president.
You will not get a comment back from anyone. This doesn't fit the narrative of a members only club they want to portray... Plz stop with such stories as it takes away from people looking for all things wrong with LDS anything.
During a small window 90s-2003, I am aware the church made an effort to use local architects and builders who basically implemented the church/corp's already developed plans, as an effort to normalize and add credibility for temples in cities. These companies needed to have employees with TR holders who would be assigned the temple oversight.
Not to undermine your point Nemo, But if you are curious about that sort of thing I strongly suspect that a big part of the HVAC cost is having insanely high standards on how quiet it should be.
Oh not undermining at all, I’m always happy to have something I haven’t thought of brought up! I’m doing a follow up video and will be sure to make a note of this!
Would you be happy for me to reference your comment in that video?
"a big part of the HVAC cost is having insanely high standards".... At first blush, your hypothesis sounds plausible. But the modifier you used to describe the nature of the "high standards" pretty much tells the tale.
For one thing, having spent a considerable amount of time in ordinary reasonably well-built LDS chapels and buildings, I don't recall any sacrament meeting or fast and testimony meeting that was inconvenienced by distractions from any particularly loud HVAC systems. (The noise situation at random and ad hoc branch meeting facilities may be a different story.)
In standard LDS chapels (presumably with ordinary HVAC systems), F&T meetings could in fact become awkwardly silent at points, only interrupted by the occasional screams of a baby or toddlers tossing dry cheerios at each other.
Similarly, baptisms in ordinary LDS ward and stake buildings were always conducted successfully and quietly without interference from noisy HVAC systems. I can't really imagine what type of HVAC noise-suppression technologies they would be using to achieve absolute silence, nor can I imagine how the difference would be worth the "insanely" high cost. Plus, there really is no significant stage in the various temple rituals where nearly absolute silence would be needed or noticed...other than maybe that period of 2 minutes or so spent in the Celestial Room hoping to get personal revelation on the deeper mysteries before being pushed out by one of the temple workers to "make room" for the next session.
@@NEMOTHEMORMON feel free to if you like, but it is just me speculating.
Excellent video, Nemo! We need more. Give us the details we all need to see what is really happening.
On it!
I met a man once when I 15 yrs old while fishing on the Sacramento river wth a group of my friends and my young mens counselor. He asked some questions and when he found out we were LDS he relayed the following story...When I was about 25 I was working for a company that was hired to do some work on the Oakland temple. When the boss came around with the list of rules including no tobacco on the work site I was really worried. I both smoked and chewed tobacco. At first I thought I could hide it but decided against it. I really needed the money with a new wife and a child. I'm not a particularly religious man but I decided to pray and I simply told God my predicament and asked if he could help me. For the next 2 months I worked 8 to 10 hours a day without a single inkling to smoke or chew. I had no cravings and didn't suffer any withdrawal symptoms associated with not having tobacco. I never joined the church but always felt grateful to God for that help ad experience. It was some of the most peaceful and soothing work on a job site I ever encountered. "
In my personal opinion.
Serving in the church becomes a full/part time unpaid job, yet the church does add a monetary value to some of it in it's reporting.
I have 3 paid part time jobs, 1 Stake calling, 1 ward calling, (I used to have 2 of each) volunteer leader at scouts, then there is ministering, helping with the volunteer projects our stake organises, cleaning the chapel, I didn't have the time to take for myself, just got so exhausted and became suicidal, so yes, I am having to say no to Church assignments, it was more about what I could do for the Church and no one seemed to care about me and turn around and give me more service projects because they thought it would make me forget my problems. It has become toxic, to bleed the members dry, that they walk away.
So asking for the Church to pay someone to do cleaning jobs to ease the burden on members is not much to ask.
I feel you pain. Step back, breath, focus on the things that favour you, your family and friends and not the church.
I've had to let go of the church cos of a toxic environment. But found that prayer as just as good out.
When one takes the time to actually analyze the relationship between (a) the top leadership/managing bureaucracy of the Church and (b) the ordinary members. It can be summed up with one word: "EXTRACTION".
The top leadership/bureaucracy is engaged in a process of constant NET EXTRACTION of time, energy and wealth from the members...funneling most of it into the hands/control of the top leadership/bureaucracy. What they distribute back to local congregations on average is always a small fraction of what is extracted FROM local congregations.
It's only intensifying.
Hence the curtailment of cultural/social events and functions that used to be one of the most cherished aspects of belonging to a local congregation/community. Pageants have all been cancelled. Road show programs have been cancelled. From what I hear from Mormon relatives, even special dinners and events that used to involve cooking in the on-site kitchens of wards are no longer permitted or are severely restricted.
Virtually any social or fun activity that's worth being involved in at all, is done on the basis that the members have to pay for it (separately from tithing). Meanwhile, faithful Mormons who used to be employed as janitors are fired and replaced by ordinary members being required to clean toilets as weekly "service" projects.
But still we see so many of the devout brainwashed souls even coming here in this comment section and telling us how we just don't understand because the tithing money is "God's money" (just parroting what the guys in dark suits have instructed them to believe) and because spending all of one's precious spare time doing things like cleaning toilets and scraping boogers off pew bottoms is "service" that blesses the members. It's cult mentality, top to bottom, side to side and corner to corner. I know Mormons hate the "cult" label. But it is what it is....
Thank you Nemo for this in depth research on the companies involved in temple buildings and the owners' connections to the LDS Church. Keeping money within the LDS members and then getting hefty tithings back 😁
This all reminds me of that moment when Jesus climbed out of the Jordan River, stood on the bank of the river and then looked back at John the Baptist with divine disgust: "Hey, John! Next time, if there is a next time, you'd better be doing this in a really expensive building with the finest furnishings, the best Roman marble, plush carpets and a very smooth running HVAC system. This &%*#! river is filthy and has weird creatures swimming around in the murk and the wind blowing through the reeds was so loud I almost lost my concentration. Get your act together, John! This is not acceptable! You know who I am, right? You keep trying to do things on the cheap like this and I may just let the Daughter of Herod get her wish.... Ignore that last comment, John. But I'm serious. Ambience, John! Ambience and dignity! And fermysake! Brush your teeth once in a while. Do you know how bad rotten locust and honey smells? It's like the worst kind of old funky shrimp!"
Ok that was hilarious 😂 😃
Spot on mate! Good work on this
Much appreciated!
Well done as always.
Thank you! Cheers!
@@NEMOTHEMORMON thanks to you as well!
Im a Geotechnical engineer in utah. The church wants an engineering exploration in utah. Wants a scope of the exploration to be delivered exactly but will not tell the firms the bid is offered to where the site is going to be. Big problem when you need to drill 40 30 foot deep holes and dont have any additional warnings of the possibility of bedrock, groundwater or boulders. And they award it to the first bid
Woah! Cheers for letting me know!
Do they have permits from EPA and Department of Energy?
Great information as always, Nemo! I'm a post Mormon now living in Nevada. My mission president was the contractor for the Oakland, CA temple. He had worked at Jacobsen Construction and then moved to California where he and his brother started a construction company (residential/apartments/elementary schools). When it came time to bid for the temple he teamed back up with the Jacobsens to submit the bid, which they won. I suspect that he did other work for the church though I don't know that.
You don't know much about anything. Yet you like nemo. Wonder why?
When the weak leave it makes the Church stronger. Thank you. Come back when you are ready to repent and be accountable.
@raymond1842 well said.
@@raymond1842 More like when the people who are capable of independent thinking leave, what's left in the church is a more concentrated and stronger delusion...which makes the consolidated and centralized control over the minds of the deluded members held by the church leaders even stronger. The leaders, working out of their offices in downtown SLC, feel very thankful to you Raymond. Thank you for surrendering your time, your talents, your money, your energy and your mind to the leaders of the Church just because they told you that they are God's special agents...and you believed them. All of the General Authorities and their families and friends salute you and thank you. Mining gullible people for resources can be a difficult task when the number of gullible people is not highly concentrated in one organization. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for doing your part to keep those numbers high in the managed collective known as the "LDS Church".
Another factual and non-biased report. I’ve never considered to ask/question this topic. Very good presentation. Thank you.
Glad you enjoyed it!
The free masons taught Joseph well. Not a cult?
they kindly allowed him to borrow all their secret rites so his temple could be holy and have meaningful practices.
@@savannahsmiles1797😂😂😂
I couldn't comment on temple building but years ago (uk) my friend who is an architect did some work for the church and found it incredibly frustrating. They literally kept sending him back to the drawing board and I'm sure it cost far more than it should have done. I don't know if it was just lack of communication but they seemed to change their mind at the last possible moment repeatedly.
Love your videos! Keep up the good work!
Yes, more videos!!
Ted Jacobsen was my mission president in England Manchester mission in 2006. I’ve always liked him. He was very kind to me.
I’m glad he was a nice guy to you :)
Yes, keep up the good investigative research.
Well, as long as fake Christians like yourself are around to believe every lie all is well.
@@WatchingwaitingG2D Wow! You're on a roll, Barry. You should get a job writing content for Mormon fortune cookies or something.
Clearly, volunteers are not needed this badly, many needy people could be earning wages by doing the work, also, my son serves in a bishopric, in another area where a temple is being built, they asked the wards to take turns providing lunch on Friday’s for the construction “workers”, their ward told the stake that they wouldn’t be doing that 😆
Sure. You keep pretending you're a Christian of any kind.
What are the Construction workers given for lunch, Kool Aid, casserole and Funeral Potatoes?
I love it! More people need to say no to exploitation.
@@stingray4real shouldn't you be in school?
@anitah2404 now, if you had learned to say no years ago, imagine where you'd be now?
Wow! Hats off to you on this research! It reveals so much about what is really going on behind the scenes with this church/corporation! Nemo, you're like a rock star investigative journalist. Thanks!
Yes, I would definitely like to learn more about this. Great work, Nemo!
You got it!
Thank you Nemo for providing such vast information. It has given me confidence that the church has hired construction companies who do such fine work and for the most part have employees who are workers who are members or others who have extreme pride in their work.
Don’t disagree with you at all, this was never a commentary on the quality of the work these companies do.
What was the motive for this presentation? Was it to show the need for building temples that might last through most of the millennium so that we could do temple work for the billions of spirits who have lived on this earth? Or, do you think that the money used to build temples should be spent somewhere else? You know that we don't attach strings to the thousands of dollars we each donate each year, right?
@@bobwilkinson1217 During the millennium, will it be impossible to build new temples? From what you're saying, I gather that the voodoo baptisms for the billions of dead people can only be done in temples that were built before the millennium.
If that's the case, I think they need to at least quadruple the quality and cost and make them more solid than bunkers. I would recommend several layers of reinforced concrete for all of the walls, with thick lead panels between them. All windows should also have thick titanium/lead laminate shutters to ensure that these structures will survive into the millennium.
And, definitely, there should be no strings attached to tithing whatsoever. The guys in suits working out of that office building in downtown SLC have said that this is the way that God wants it. They basically said that at the same time that they said that God wants them to collect, handle and manage all of that money for God. And you can trust them when they say that they are speaking for God because...well... just ask them. They'll tell you that they are indeed speaking for God. Can't get any more solid than that! I can see why you are so devoted to those guys in suits in the office building in downtown SLC. They're working for God and managing God's money!
@@TEAM__POSEID0N Well done!
@@bobwilkinson1217 Is the money going into the building, or into somebody's pocket? That is the issue, if you are a TBM. Why would you want the Lord's money to be wasted on poor design (like roofs that leak, and buildings that cannot deal with the humidity of the area they are built in)? Why is the church paying quadruple or more from what a comparable building costs outside the church? Where does that money go? Is it really ok with you that families go without food and other necessities to pay their tithing, and that money gets laundered through temple building? Do you really think Jesus would be ok with that??
The HVAC system is actually pretty amazing. They hide the vents in the coping and so you can't see them at all so that could easily increase the cost 5 times.
and also, HVAC is designed so that you can't hear it. you get laminar air flow, no whistling vents. That also increases the cost. I've also seen the mechanical/electrical/plumbing systems, they are WELL organized and WELL laid out in a fashion I've never seen in any other building. It's nice to go to a place where humming HVAC isn't a distraction.
I'm always happy for more clarity in cases like this, where there has been so much speculation previously
Absolutely!
Love your content, Nemo. Just made a monthly contribution. Small, but all I could afford.
It’s all appreciated, thank you!
Funny also how the GAs are mostly connected to the original "apostles". I would like to know how each one is connected. I watched a video once about it but would like to know more.
The San Diego Temple is barely 25 years old. It will be closing this month for "significant renovations" Wonder what that budget will be? I have a car older than that.
All of these buildings have a glorious/ communist look to them. I’m sorry to see the way they have ruined the old temples so they are unrecognizable
$2,500 per square foot is outrageous!
I had no interest in ever going back after I went to the temple for a Mission when I was at the MTC. But then to be fair, that ceremony was more Free-masonic than the updated versions I hear about today. I will say the temples are stunning from the outside and the gardens around Salt Lake Temple are lovely.
Love the pentagrams they put on them, not satanic at all😂
The Mormon church's needless spending on so much that doesn't matter is what really helped push me out the last few inches I needed
Family connections? That's nepotism, straight up. Thanks for the great content!
Congrats on 20k subs.
Keep speaking the truth brother
In lieu of flowers…. Wow. Should we be surprised? I guess I just assumed this was going on. But glad they’re shining a light on this. Beyond the pale. Great speedy summation. Fantastic
Paying more than 5 times more, sounds like the exorbinant
costs of USAPentagon Military costs compared to the private sector
Keep it coming.
More to come!
@@NEMOTHEMORMON Sounds good.
In San Diego California, the LDS church built a temple. I was told during construction they ran into problems doing the spires just right and went over budget they asked for more money and were denied. Originally, they would put a thin layer of white marble on the exterior but had to settle for spraying chipped marble on.
One hand washes the other. In all honesty, you can't compare all these building projects to "the Church's" charitable giving, because there's no comparison. The stuff given to charity is miniscule (though usually highly publicized) by comparison. Meanwhile, they shovel millions to the U. N. to import third-world, stone-age Muslims ("refugees") and support open borders for industrialized, civilized nations, which basically ensures that our societies will devolve over time. And as far as the money goes, unless you're an insider (and I mean a REAL insider), there's no way to tell, because it's all confidential and not at all public. There's no transparency, or disclosure of any of it. I know there are those who will say I'm wrong, because "the Church" has no shortage of those who are ever-eager to ignore, justify, and/or rationalize things as the "need" requires according to the prevailing narrative.
Well, since you love hearing it, you're wrong. Also, dishonest, deceiving, corrupt, don't believe in God. Really not too much fun to be around.
@@WatchingwaitingG2D You're a perfect example of someone who is so steeped in the culture that they're completely unable to ever look around / outside, but ever-eager to ignore, deny, and / or rationalize anything that's uncomfortable and doesn't fit the prevailing narrative. That's okay, because there are lots of naive, gullible, delusional, and easily misled people in this world. LOTS of company there.
@@WatchingwaitingG2D I think you need a nap. You have a contentious spirit, nothing Christ-like there.
@@anitah2404 I think you should first go to a church before you pretend you know what Christlike is.
"and the merchants of the earth became rich owing to the power of her shameless luxury" - Revelation 18:3
Thanks!
No problem! Thanks for the support!
Yeah, I'd love to see more of this.
My experience with Jacobsen construction is they are awesome I like them a lot 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
Cheers Nemo
The most faithful members of the church see all this happen before their eyes but just look the other way turning a blind eye to the whole situation. There's a mafia when it comes to Contractors for the Church...
Yep, and if it runs a small family run business to the ground, oh well, they tried getting us to bid jobs, we told them NO
@LC-md2rq sure you did.😅
That leaves you out fake.
@@WatchingwaitingG2D whatever Oxymoron bot.
@davidjanbaz7728 Well, don't go crying to your boyfriend and make a scene.
My FIL worked in this industry for decades on the vendor side. He said (roughly), that the church spends inordinate amounts of money to make things look nice on the surface. However, in the bidding process for the control systems (including hvac), the church ALWAYS takes the lowest bid from the various contractors (which is often unrealistic). Then, construction starts. They realize they woefully underbid, or they literally do a shitty job. Then, they have to bring in a new contractor that bid at a much higher level. Then, that contractor usually has to rip and replace or re-do the work from the first contractor. That can often include more expensive replacement hardware and software, as well as costly labor.
FIL was on the sales side, but I know for a fact this example was one of the primary delays in the building of the Rome temple. FIL had to go to Rome twice, for almost a total of 3-4 weeks to oversee, manage, push over the finish line.
He said the church engineering dept is salt of the earth. Great teams. The construction/building dept feel like a bunch of crooks. The interior design team get all the money they want to make it look beautiful.
Amazing information! Keep them coming! Can you come up with a video about John. C Bennett?, James Stewart?, why Emma didn’t follow the Saints? Was Joseph Smith a medium? Thank you
Why can't all members help construct it like the old days?
Construction is a profession that requires licensing and certification. Not everyone can pick up a hammer and build a house.
In the old day you didn't need Licensing and today all you need to do is to pull a permit and follow the local codes ya tard. anyone can do it their just too lazy or a loser in general.@@zachjones6944
Are people called to the 70s or any other group based on their religious merit? Or is it just a boys club?
Nobody is called to any position in the LDS church based on religious merit. At best, they're called because they're decent people who are capable managers or leaders, with "capable" meaning that they produce statistics that the top leaders want to see and don't cause embarrassment in the process.
Most LDS leaders holding ecclesiastical positions have no deep knowledge of religious history, doctrine or philosophy.
In the top ranks of leadership, nepotism and cronyism are pervasive. Hinckley's unemployed son was given a 70s position shortly before Prophet Hinckley died. It was apparently just a way for the son to get a retirement package. He served for just a few years, giving a few talks here and there, and then went on emeritus (retirement) status. Nelson's son-in-law, was called to the 70s after a business career and service as a mission president. Eyring is Spencer W. Kimball's nephew, and his son (Henry J.) basically inherited the position of current President of BYU-I --a position that Henry B. held in the 1970s. Neal A. Maxwell was Gordon B. Hinckley's first cousin's husband. Bruce R. McConkie was Joseph Fielding Smith's son-in-law. Thomas S. Monson was Gordon B. Hinckley's protege from way early in their lifetime careers as full-time employees in church-controlled organizations. Jeffrey Holland (Apostle and former president of BYU) has a son, Matthew, who is now president of Utah Valley University. I guess it's possible that no influence was involved, but it also seems a bit naive to think that. The foregoing is just a small sampler of how things really work. Anyone who thinks callings are directed by the Lord, through inspiration, based on merit...is living in a fantasy world.
You BETTER be well-connected, or you're out-scout. Take a look at the 70s . . . Holland Jr., Rasband Jr., etc., etc. ,etc. I guess if you come from the "right" family or neighborhood (ward, etc.), you're automatically deemed super-worthy, smart, and inspired.
GOB $$$ washing
@@TEAM__POSEID0N Matthew Holland left UVU several years ago. I believe he's now a 70. (He was a very good university president.)
I hate to break it to you but .. the LDS church doesn't help anyone in need only those who are (or pretend to be) interested in the church😭 I left the church (or was kicked out I dunno 🤔 ) is 1978 by 1992 I had 3 kids in tow & 1 on the way no food just barely paid for a place to stay after hasbeen beat me. I went to "the church" for help. Since I wasn't interested in returning to "the church" the sent me to a coalition of all the other denominations in the area (LDS had nothing to do with) where they helped anyone 😢 go figure!
Well researched, well done. Talk about keeping it all in house.
Not required to get three competitive bids. Like the US Navy paying $600/toilet seat.
I don't think the Navy prayed about the toilet seats. The high cost by the way is probably from a last minute design change the top brass insisted on.
Thank you for the research! Looking at the corporate web of the church and nepotism throughout the church is shocking and disgusting.
No member of a religion should be become wealthy off of that religion. Members should willingly volunteer their time, skills, and money for such projects, if they have the means and if they wish to do so, out of love for God and their congregations, while still providing for their own household first.
The HVAC and plumbing systems require designs that are heavily damped for sound. I haven't been in many temples, but they are notably quiet inside.
I'm not a plumber or HVAC expert although I've built my own home and done some remodeling.
For example, in order to move sufficient air in a large facility that keeps a significant number of people cool or warm, requires large components, such as ducts and pipes. The material cost alone is higher. Add to that are the considerations for moving a lot of air at a slow to moderate rate. Smaller, and higher velocity ducting creates undesirable noise for temples.
If there are some older facilities that use liquid to air exchange, these still requre larger than routine components.
I haven't gone into the maintenance and support areas of a temple, I suspect that an engineer would be impressed.
Overall, I think the buildings are beautiful on the outside as well as the inside. That comes at a cost above the ordinary. I haven't been in any temple since 1995. That was the year I left the church without any regrets.