What I´m gonna take way from this vid -always do studies of the things you enjoy - do things that expand your visual library in a good way -your visual library is important for developing your own style
You have opened my mind, now i want to draw even more, i was feeling like crap about everything that i was doing, now i realize it's because i was doing just anatomy studies for months, i wasn't doing many personal projects or anything creative, because my mind was stuck on studies, and just studies, you made remember that i fell in love with drawing, copying dragon ball cards, but now copying unconsciously feels like cheating. I will start copying (being mindful) other artists that i love!, Love u sinix
Wow, this is my lucky day! Kenzie at LLD hipped me to your channel and I feel so fortunate. Sinix, your channel is a revelation! I am a jazz musician, totally new to drawing but an avid Art lover. Since COVID lock down I have dived into my dream to draw. I can’t thank you enough for all the valuable information and support you give in each episode (which I’ve been bingeing on all morning!) This is just TERRIFIC stuff! Thank you for all you do!
This is fantastic! It's hard to find good discussions on the theoretical side of art, and now I've a better idea of /why/ building a mental library is important and how to continue that work. Thanks!
Just getting into design by way of web development. As someone with almost zero formal visual design experience, presentations like these really help get my head around some fundamentals. Thanks for sharing.
If it's one thing I've taken away from listening to Chiu Streams its that all the top-tier artists in the industry tend to be "students of life." They're amazed by everything that life has to offer and study it and it shows in their creations.
As someone who has been an artist for over 30 years, this may be the most profound and succinct advice I've ever seen about how to be a visual artist. Well done!
Sinix thanks for this video, really i've struggling with how i should build my visual library and what else is out there and how to understand it, you put it so perfectly clear and the way you put your examples and experiences made it extremly clear, also i cannot belive that this is like the 10th video or something that you post, that is directly related to what i talk about with my friends! Thanks so much for keep sharing your knowlage! soon you will be the overlord of shadows and dankness!
This is the best video explaining the visual library I know. Even considering it is also the only one I know, it is still probably the best one. :) And I like how Sinix justifies playing good video games and watching good movies. 😁
I find knowing the distinction between hard and soft library makes using it efficiently much easier. Thanks for all your videos Sinix. Your personnal input into the world of art is fresh and very useful :)
I just started watching your videos and I love them! :) You're very detailed but concise and direct, it doesn't take 2 hours to understand what you're saying!
This is my first video from you and i commend you dearly for bot only articulating the tenants of visual design most amateur artists are struggling with but also in relating specific ways of implementing a balance between a masterful grasp of the fundamentals, plus a good harvest of intellectual flexibility ( i see you there with the Gravity's rainbow book to which i think most your viewers probably overlooked) would greatly increase one's visual library, and to which i myself am doing my best to do so hopefully comparable to, but not exactly as crazy as, kim jung gi. What a Great video!
Yay, more design theory! Thanks for the informative video as always Sinix. Good to hear I've been working on some of the right stuff, I've spent the past few days studying artists I follow to try and ingrain some of their style in my head and learn something from it.
pretty much. But how you study depends on the subject. If you're studying objects from life you are focusing on form and understanding, if you're studying anatomy for example you look at how ankles move and what muscle does what. If you're studying artists however, you should focus on shape language and composition.
Aside from that learning about your subject I think is important, just drawing a subject without knowing what you're even drawing is probably not gonna be as helpful as actually looking at a chart or something identifying the parts and such and then studying by drawing. at least I found that helpful, it matters more or less depending on the subject but I think it's crucial.
I think it's just a little deeper than that, but kind of yes. Recently I've been really into studying samurai Armour. But I don't think it would have fit well enough Into my visual library if just looked at a picture and drew the exact same thing the exact way it is in the image. Instead, I take note of and draw the individual pieces of the armour, taking into consideration their forms and how those actually fit together. I ask questions about what the details are rather than just taking it all at face value; questions like "what's holding this armour together?", "How is this armour designed for mobility?", And "how would one put all this on"?. Your goal in studying should be to make sense of the puzzling complexities of a subject by reverse engineering it and rebuilding in your head until a close likeness is achieved. Usually when you can actually represent each component seperate from all the other components, or the entire set of armour "blown up" so each piece is seperated; then you have effectively placed something into your "hard" visual library. Of course those are just structural observations; there's other things like colour, surface reflectivity, texture etc., But the same idea applies.
I love love love your videos!! I adore the way you explain things it's really easy to understand also where you come from and all that, really inspires me I'm pretty stuck at home lately myself but I really wanna get back to art
Dear Sinix, I just watch your podcast with moderndayjames and really excited when you said that you want to make a video about Shapes and flows. Will it be covered in this Design Theory video format? I really enjoy this and hopefully you'll tackle that flow subject soon. Also please consider doing character design in the future. Keep inspiring and thank you for making awesome content
Great video and I can see where you're coming from with the idea that creativity itself doesn't exist as a metaphysical thing. I agree! But it can also exist as a conceptual thing, without literally being random (or without being attributed to something supernatural or extraphysical). The idea is that you 'create with intent'. In a sense creativity is a mental concept. It shouldn't be looked upon as a goal or even a tool. Exploring chaos and turning that into a design == creativity at work. Designing iterations of a very tight render is probably a similar kind of creativity, but using different tools or approaches. It's probably a more methodical and less rigorous approach to designing from chaos and not really caring too much about what you've created already. Also, not to talk negatively about one of the most technically skilled concept artists I've come across, but Scott Robertson definitely is one of those designers who loves to iterate on successful versions of previous designs. He loves to change familiar concepts with steps of maybe 4-5% at a time if you know what I mean. :-) One could make a fair point about how that's a bit 'less creative' and 'more methodical' than exploring full on chaos and 'creatively' turning a mess into a design with less of an end goal in sight from the start. I'm guessing that's what you were thinking about with Kim Jung Gi. I do believe Kim Jung Gi might be using a third type of approach to his designs. Which is a kind of pre-visualisation of what he is about to draw. I don't know if he has some type of photographic memory that aids him in doing this or if it is simply skill mastered over years, but he seems very capable of just drawing things in one go as if it was all planned for from the start. Impressive, but I'm guessing most of the designing is already done inside his head lol.
Thank you SO MUCH for this video!!!!!! You verbalized this, and I know it to be true, I did it over the summer without realizing it. Thank you so much man
Thank you for this lucid explanation, this should be shown at the start of every art course in every place forever. I stumbled into these concepts by myself after wasting way too much time thinking idiot things about creativity and style, wish someone said it like this in the past.
Really nice content. I am glad that you kept up the good job since 4 years ago. I do not know if you still answer the comments on these older posts but I will just ask away; what do you exactly mean when you practice an artist's art? Do you mean a sort of analysing or just copying or...?
This is partly why I want to pickup art / visual design. It's highly interesting to me on its own but I also see it as an invaluable tool for improving my game designs. In the most literal sense of creating better visual worlds / interfaces but also in the more abstract creative sense. Expanding my conceptual design muscles will likely help immensely when it comes to abstract thinking and coming up with new creative ideas. I also really like the thought of coming up with stronger aesthetics and vibes to give my games more character. I feel that pursuing art would help immensely.
Thanks man for doing this series but I think I need more information and theorys about desgin If you don't mind Can you recommend me few books that talk more about desgin
Very Nice tips Sinix! As a visual design student tho, I think your videos could benefit a lot if you studied a little bit of graphic design. You'll see that most of the theory you already use can be applied to the visuals of your presentation! Cheers
Hi Sinix,I love the rising effort and skill of the editing, but what about the raw footage? Do you plan on making these kinds of videos more or can I hope for a little more rambling Robert in real time?
I struggle a lot with my visual library. My brain, the conscious part at least, has aphantasia. I don't see any images in my brain, I can't retain or recall anything beyond a very fleeting or blurry idea, even important things. It's extra frustrating when it comes to my art as I am very good at drawing from life and reference, but can't really create anything from pure imagination. However I've generally found that if I draw something from reference enough, I can retain it. If I consume enough of a kind of art or style, I will sometimes dream derivative images that I try to jot down, and in general I will "understand" the structures of those images more.
Hey Sinix! So taking photos of the environment (clouds, trees etc) will help with the soft aspect of my visual library if I'm aiming to be an environmental illustrator right? I keep taking pictures of cloud formations sometimes while noting how the sun reflects off of them!
So where did you learn Design Theory? More specifically, where did you get the information you provided in your other design theory videos? I need something to spring off of because searching up just how to get started has never been more of a chore than before, and I know your videos aren't enough.
You keep saying "Do studies" and while I understand what they are, I never really understand *how* to even really begin doing a study and what it all entails.
shmowldraws for me, doing a “study” is looking at a reference. This reference can be of an artists you enjoy or just any reference in general. Then you draw/paint that reference. When it comes to “master studies” (i.e. redrawing from an artist you like) I try to do it while thinking how the artist did it. Doing master studies from many artists you like will pool many influences and will make you, you. All in all to start a study... just find something and draw it. Hope that helped :)
Interesting. I used to play this game with classmates throughout all of my school years where I'd have them draw several random shapes, lines, or whatever on a blank piece of paper, without any specific object or thing in mind for it. Then, I'd have to use everything they put down to turn it into something. It could be a real-world thing, a fantasy thing, whatever. It just couldn't be some abstract blur of randomness, it had to have a fully-encompassed form using all of the pieces the classmate laid down. If that all makes sense. I didn't realize how useful that "game" was until my adult years. I've taken the same art 101 classes over and over, from public school every year growing up, to private lessons, and college courses. It's always the same basic stuff, which is useful, but it's very dull and the teachers don't usually do a good job of piecing everything together to make it engaging and easily-connectable. I'm sure I'm far from the only person that grew up mostly self-taught, despite the surplus of art classes I took.
Please pardon my ignorance, as I am a bit behind the times in terminology. When you mention Studies, does that imply looking over the artist's work alone, but to also copy it incorporating it into your own way of illustrating? As a young lad, I copied Green Lantern, Superman, etc. directly from the comic pages and the "way" it was drawn has stuck with me. Just wanted to check in and see if this is what you meant.
No I'm not procrastinating, I'm ✨expanding my visual library✨
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Love it
Real
expand library
That blueprint has now officially entered my hard visual library
What I´m gonna take way from this vid
-always do studies of the things you enjoy
- do things that expand your visual library in a good way
-your visual library is important for developing your own style
Also, I still wait for the day when a Sinix artbook comes out
I second that
Agreed. Id spend sooo much cash on this
We should make it a habit to repeat this comment on all future videos and upvote the sheeyat out of it
That's what I'm trying to do! Hopefully it'll work one day
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I love when sinix gets technical
You have opened my mind, now i want to draw even more, i was feeling like crap about everything that i was doing, now i realize it's because i was doing just anatomy studies for months, i wasn't doing many personal projects or anything creative, because my mind was stuck on studies, and just studies, you made remember that i fell in love with drawing, copying dragon ball cards, but now copying unconsciously feels like cheating. I will start copying (being mindful) other artists that i love!, Love u sinix
Wow, this is my lucky day! Kenzie at LLD hipped me to your channel and I feel so fortunate. Sinix, your channel is a revelation! I am a jazz musician, totally new to drawing but an avid Art lover. Since COVID lock down I have dived into my dream to draw. I can’t thank you enough for all the valuable information and support you give in each episode (which I’ve been bingeing on all morning!) This is just TERRIFIC stuff! Thank you for all you do!
This is fantastic! It's hard to find good discussions on the theoretical side of art, and now I've a better idea of /why/ building a mental library is important and how to continue that work. Thanks!
Just getting into design by way of web development. As someone with almost zero formal visual design experience, presentations like these really help get my head around some fundamentals. Thanks for sharing.
If it's one thing I've taken away from listening to Chiu Streams its that all the top-tier artists in the industry tend to be "students of life." They're amazed by everything that life has to offer and study it and it shows in their creations.
i get stressed very easily but whenever i see your videos, its like watching in a childhood home on a tube tv idk its warm and pleasant.
As someone who has been an artist for over 30 years, this may be the most profound and succinct advice I've ever seen about how to be a visual artist. Well done!
I always pictured you as an Asian / Caucasian mix with darker skin and three heads
That escalated quickly
what does this even mean 😭
That's just a theory a design theory!
Oh it's a design theory alright, but whether it is intelligent design is a whole different cupcake!!
;)
oh god. no please gametheory PLEASE STOP THAT OUTRO IS TERRRIBLE!
#gametheoryisdead
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Sinix thanks for this video, really i've struggling with how i should build my visual library and what else is out there and how to understand it, you put it so perfectly clear and the way you put your examples and experiences made it extremly clear, also i cannot belive that this is like the 10th video or something that you post, that is directly related to what i talk about with my friends! Thanks so much for keep sharing your knowlage! soon you will be the overlord of shadows and dankness!
probably the most helpful art video i’ve seen on youtube, tysm!
I just found this channel yesterday and have already learned so much! I subscribed so fast
This is the best video explaining the visual library I know. Even considering it is also the only one I know, it is still probably the best one. :) And I like how Sinix justifies playing good video games and watching good movies. 😁
This video is one of the most important ones you’ve ever done, it was a huge help- thanks Sinix!
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@@bikinibottom4204 Ty 🤙
So good to see that Sinix enjoys Ori and the Blind Forest too e.e
I really hope these become a regular thing like paintover pals.
This video was so helpful!! My approach to art has changed so much ever since I stumbled upon your channel
I find knowing the distinction between hard and soft library makes using it efficiently much easier. Thanks for all your videos Sinix. Your personnal input into the world of art is fresh and very useful :)
UGGGH thank you. You design theory series seriously needs more episodes.
does anyone else download sinix's videos as mp3's and listens to them all day
I just started watching your videos and I love them! :) You're very detailed but concise and direct, it doesn't take 2 hours to understand what you're saying!
I waited for this day!! Very important topic!!
This is my first video from you and i commend you dearly for bot only articulating the tenants of visual design most amateur artists are struggling with but also in relating specific ways of implementing a balance between a masterful grasp of the fundamentals, plus a good harvest of intellectual flexibility ( i see you there with the Gravity's rainbow book to which i think most your viewers probably overlooked) would greatly increase one's visual library, and to which i myself am doing my best to do so hopefully comparable to, but not exactly as crazy as, kim jung gi. What a Great video!
Of all the books in the world I was not expecting to see Blood Meridian in this video. Now I KNOW you have good taste.
awesome content. I'm blessed that this is available for free on the internet. ty Sinix
This is something to continually come back to. It is very useful. Thanks 😊
This video is GOLD! Thank you!
Thanks man, really needed to hear this right now.
Bad and Good Sinix. After watching your sketchbook tour and "About Sinix" video i understood it.
Yay, more design theory! Thanks for the informative video as always Sinix. Good to hear I've been working on some of the right stuff, I've spent the past few days studying artists I follow to try and ingrain some of their style in my head and learn something from it.
your videos have gotten a lot more interesting with this kind of edditing, keep it up :D
Thanks for the pHD. Please continue expanding this series! 🙏
I did searched "Visual Library" and got me here. Learned a lot , thanks.
How exactly do you do a study? Do you just draw the picture?
pretty much.
But how you study depends on the subject.
If you're studying objects from life you are focusing on form and understanding, if you're studying anatomy for example you look at how ankles move and what muscle does what. If you're studying artists however, you should focus on shape language and composition.
Yes, but with an extra emphasis on making enough observations to be as accurate as possible.
Aside from that learning about your subject I think is important, just drawing a subject without knowing what you're even drawing is probably not gonna be as helpful as actually looking at a chart or something identifying the parts and such and then studying by drawing. at least I found that helpful, it matters more or less depending on the subject but I think it's crucial.
upvoting this thread
I think it's just a little deeper than that, but kind of yes. Recently I've been really into studying samurai Armour. But I don't think it would have fit well enough Into my visual library if just looked at a picture and drew the exact same thing the exact way it is in the image. Instead, I take note of and draw the individual pieces of the armour, taking into consideration their forms and how those actually fit together. I ask questions about what the details are rather than just taking it all at face value; questions like "what's holding this armour together?", "How is this armour designed for mobility?", And "how would one put all this on"?. Your goal in studying should be to make sense of the puzzling complexities of a subject by reverse engineering it and rebuilding in your head until a close likeness is achieved. Usually when you can actually represent each component seperate from all the other components, or the entire set of armour "blown up" so each piece is seperated; then you have effectively placed something into your "hard" visual library. Of course those are just structural observations; there's other things like colour, surface reflectivity, texture etc., But the same idea applies.
soft and hard visual library - nice topic, for something that happens in our head but we usually dont talk about. ty
I love love love your videos!! I adore the way you explain things it's really easy to understand
also where you come from and all that, really inspires me I'm pretty stuck at home lately myself but I really wanna get back to art
These are great short lectures on Design Theory for the novice.
This is a quality informative video if I've ever seen one, your dedication shows
Some huge thanks to you Sinix !! Thank you for sharing your knowledge.
Cheers
Woah thank you for posting this for free because its so helpful and you explained it sooo good thanks so much.
The only way to be original is to paint with your eyes closed. Thanks for the tip Sinix!
And hands-free! Because your muscle memory has its share in your visual library.
again a great video! I'm learning so much! many thanks!
Dear Sinix, I just watch your podcast with moderndayjames and really excited when you said that you want to make a video about Shapes and flows. Will it be covered in this Design Theory video format? I really enjoy this and hopefully you'll tackle that flow subject soon. Also please consider doing character design in the future.
Keep inspiring and thank you for making awesome content
Amazing, to be watched and rewatched
Great video and I can see where you're coming from with the idea that creativity itself doesn't exist as a metaphysical thing. I agree! But it can also exist as a conceptual thing, without literally being random (or without being attributed to something supernatural or extraphysical). The idea is that you 'create with intent'. In a sense creativity is a mental concept. It shouldn't be looked upon as a goal or even a tool. Exploring chaos and turning that into a design == creativity at work. Designing iterations of a very tight render is probably a similar kind of creativity, but using different tools or approaches. It's probably a more methodical and less rigorous approach to designing from chaos and not really caring too much about what you've created already.
Also, not to talk negatively about one of the most technically skilled concept artists I've come across, but Scott Robertson definitely is one of those designers who loves to iterate on successful versions of previous designs. He loves to change familiar concepts with steps of maybe 4-5% at a time if you know what I mean. :-) One could make a fair point about how that's a bit 'less creative' and 'more methodical' than exploring full on chaos and 'creatively' turning a mess into a design with less of an end goal in sight from the start.
I'm guessing that's what you were thinking about with Kim Jung Gi. I do believe Kim Jung Gi might be using a third type of approach to his designs. Which is a kind of pre-visualisation of what he is about to draw. I don't know if he has some type of photographic memory that aids him in doing this or if it is simply skill mastered over years, but he seems very capable of just drawing things in one go as if it was all planned for from the start. Impressive, but I'm guessing most of the designing is already done inside his head lol.
Thank you SO MUCH for this video!!!!!! You verbalized this, and I know it to be true, I did it over the summer without realizing it. Thank you so much man
Thank you for this lucid explanation, this should be shown at the start of every art course in every place forever. I stumbled into these concepts by myself after wasting way too much time thinking idiot things about creativity and style, wish someone said it like this in the past.
HI Sinix! Will you consider creating a video that explains the difference between studies, referencing and redrawing/copying? Thank you!
Sinix! This was awesome, please make more!
Sinix this perspective into visual library is super interesting I was wonderig if tyou had any sources where i can dive deeper into the subject!
awesome, thanks sinix :) i just entered a school to reach my goal making a livin with my fantasies and you are such a great help :o)
Really nice content. I am glad that you kept up the good job since 4 years ago.
I do not know if you still answer the comments on these older posts but I will just ask away; what do you exactly mean when you practice an artist's art? Do you mean a sort of analysing or just copying or...?
Mindful copying is ideal (making mental notes and whatnot), but any level of just trying to copy will help you internalize a lot of information.
Great video that motivates me to do more studies ^^
10:16 RIP buddy =,(
This is partly why I want to pickup art / visual design. It's highly interesting to me on its own but I also see it as an invaluable tool for improving my game designs. In the most literal sense of creating better visual worlds / interfaces but also in the more abstract creative sense. Expanding my conceptual design muscles will likely help immensely when it comes to abstract thinking and coming up with new creative ideas.
I also really like the thought of coming up with stronger aesthetics and vibes to give my games more character. I feel that pursuing art would help immensely.
This video is exactly what i needed thank u siniccs
god damn, your editing is so smooth
Thank You for showing me direction. I'll get back after some studies . ;)
Could you study something?
Good show. There aren't enough Scott Robertson shoutouts out there.
Great video as always Bert
Good video sinix!
This was really well done. I just need to stop 'building up my visual library' and actually start trying to draw XD
Wow! Wonderfully presented and explained. Thank you...
A really helpful video sinix, thank you!
Thanks man for doing this series but I think I need more information and theorys about desgin
If you don't mind Can you recommend me few books that talk more about desgin
this video helps A LOT!!
Your videos are extremely helpful!
This video is amazing! Congrats!
Very Nice tips Sinix! As a visual design student tho, I think your videos could benefit a lot if you studied a little bit of graphic design. You'll see that most of the theory you already use can be applied to the visuals of your presentation! Cheers
Nice video, very thoughtful. Thanks for improving my visual library c; 💗
what a great accurate description of Kim Jong Yi's style - I follow him on insta and I am always amazed by the detail he is just able to do on the fly
Hi Sinix,I love the rising effort and skill of the editing, but what about the raw footage? Do you plan on making these kinds of videos more or can I hope for a little more rambling Robert in real time?
Super useful ! 👌🔥🙏 A must watch for Every Artist
I struggle a lot with my visual library. My brain, the conscious part at least, has aphantasia. I don't see any images in my brain, I can't retain or recall anything beyond a very fleeting or blurry idea, even important things. It's extra frustrating when it comes to my art as I am very good at drawing from life and reference, but can't really create anything from pure imagination. However I've generally found that if I draw something from reference enough, I can retain it. If I consume enough of a kind of art or style, I will sometimes dream derivative images that I try to jot down, and in general I will "understand" the structures of those images more.
Hey Sinix! So taking photos of the environment (clouds, trees etc) will help with the soft aspect of my visual library if I'm aiming to be an environmental illustrator right? I keep taking pictures of cloud formations sometimes while noting how the sun reflects off of them!
11:24 i searched for visual library talks, now im sure im not too many people
you should do a updated tutorial on corel painter!
I love this. Amazing video, Sinx!!
your videos are so helpful thank u thank u
So where did you learn Design Theory? More specifically, where did you get the information you provided in your other design theory videos? I need something to spring off of because searching up just how to get started has never been more of a chore than before, and I know your videos aren't enough.
You pretty much summed this up with common sense :)
You keep saying "Do studies" and while I understand what they are, I never really understand *how* to even really begin doing a study and what it all entails.
shmowldraws for me, doing a “study” is looking at a reference. This reference can be of an artists you enjoy or just any reference in general. Then you draw/paint that reference. When it comes to “master studies” (i.e. redrawing from an artist you like) I try to do it while thinking how the artist did it. Doing master studies from many artists you like will pool many influences and will make you, you. All in all to start a study... just find something and draw it. Hope that helped :)
@@gongorelocksmagiincommand Thank you very much! Yeah, that really cleared it up!
shmowldraws awesome! Glad it made sense :)
I really like this design theory series, any chance there would be a new episode?
thank you!! Very very well done video
10/10 video and presentation
Interesting. I used to play this game with classmates throughout all of my school years where I'd have them draw several random shapes, lines, or whatever on a blank piece of paper, without any specific object or thing in mind for it. Then, I'd have to use everything they put down to turn it into something. It could be a real-world thing, a fantasy thing, whatever. It just couldn't be some abstract blur of randomness, it had to have a fully-encompassed form using all of the pieces the classmate laid down. If that all makes sense. I didn't realize how useful that "game" was until my adult years.
I've taken the same art 101 classes over and over, from public school every year growing up, to private lessons, and college courses. It's always the same basic stuff, which is useful, but it's very dull and the teachers don't usually do a good job of piecing everything together to make it engaging and easily-connectable.
I'm sure I'm far from the only person that grew up mostly self-taught, despite the surplus of art classes I took.
Y'know, behind the memes and jokes; Sinix is really just a memey jokester. Quality video though, thank you.
How do you effectively study art?
Ty for validating my video game addiction 😂
I learned so much from your video thanks😊😊😃
Always golden, dude :)
Please pardon my ignorance, as I am a bit behind the times in terminology. When you mention Studies, does that imply looking over the artist's work alone, but to also copy it incorporating it into your own way of illustrating? As a young lad, I copied Green Lantern, Superman, etc. directly from the comic pages and the "way" it was drawn has stuck with me. Just wanted to check in and see if this is what you meant.
How do you do a "study" of something, as you mentioned at around 8:25 ?
Thanks for the video
very good ideas.