The Taser has definitely replaced the baton and Pepper spray as the first less lethal option on an officer's belt. I do not know of any incidents when the baton was effective BUT with today's antitrust of the police, they need to have as many less lethal options on their belt as possible before lethal force
i live in a country where you cant own a gun to defend yourself, my uncle gave me a baton because he knows i like going out at night, one night i was walking home with my mother and some dude was following us and pulled a knife on us, not a huge blade but it was still a knife, he was asking for our phones and wallets, i said sure man just calm down and instead i pulled out the baton and broke his wrist with it, the knife flew away and he ran away, my mom and me were fine and unharmed and we kept our stuff, so yes im gonna keep carrying and swearing by my useless baton
@@glennsmooth so do like 27 other states. Lol cali is not at all the only state that doesn't respect guns laws. And whoever allows government actors to take their God given rights away is a pussy anyway. I do what I want. I don't at all respect the idea that other humans have any authority to tell me how to live. Every man created equal. I take it pretty literally 🤷🏾♀️
Get out of here dude, if we lose our batons we'll lose the most important tool on our belt. How am I supposed to scratch my back, with body armor on, without a baton 😂 UPDATE: I finally found another good use for a baton. A bunch of kids had a fire going in a local park, they left without snuffing the fire out. So I had to use my baton to break up the coals and douse it with water. I'm pretty much a fire fighter now. Just saying.
"This is a weapon you use when you can't control the person with your fighting skills." Precisely, dude. I'm 5'1". I'm not going to beat any man in a fight. I need to fight dirty. 😆
I don’t have 8 years of police experience, but I do have 28 years of police experience. I was hired when they did not issue mace or tasers. We had a baton and a pistol (and yes a revolver is a pistol). So I learned to fight with a baton on the streets. I have ended many fights with one strike to the leg and arm for the most part. But I practice a lot with a straight baton. The side handle baton hit hard but rotates down in the hand as it spins. A straight baton is more precise. Most people have played tennis, ping pong, badminton etc and know they can hit a small moving target with a straight handle “baton”. There is no nice way to hit them so hit like you are breaking furniture and one hit will likely end the fight. The exception being someone on drugs. But a baton can break them down mechanically but hitting joints if it gets that bad. Using mace causes you to have to deal with biohazard as the suspect starts issuing spit and snot in good quantities and you still have to handle them to cuff. Most rookies I trained were like you until they saw a baton work. I carried a collapsible baton when I worked undercover. But I have not hit anyone with one so I’ll not comment on that. Tasers , batons and hand strikes- the suspect will sometimes be injured when you drop them to the ground and hit the concrete or something hard. So, I love you but you are wrong .
Seeing how much modern officers lack physical skills, and rely on their mace and tazer, it's probably for the best they don't have them anymore. Also female officers would be useless with them and you know it.
@@joshuaslate3719 The term pistol and handgun are interchangeable. That's why there's such a term as a semi auto pistol, which contrasts from a revolver or single shot pistol. And by your definition, any weapon with a fixed chamber would be a pistol, regardless of anything else. I know, you're going to complain about straw man argument with the last bit, but that's just to prove a point about the stupidity of this. A revolver is a pistol in the same way a Glock 19 is a pistol, they may function differently than each other, but they both fall under the pistol, or handgun definition. Just like how a rifle and a shotgun are exceptionally different, but both fall under the definition of a long gun.
No weapon is perfect, neither is it useless. Undercover carry them in the UK, I'm not sure whether the police still use batons here since pepper spray become prevalent. I've seen plenty videos of police over here getting into sticky situations with pepper spray precisely because most combat situations arise out of drug misuse, most crooks are sensible and don't want the huge hike in prison time cos they beat a copper to get away only to get caught eventually. I like these videos but I think there's some level of the algorithm making a more considered opinion less appealing to viewers. Nuance isn't conducive to good engagement!
Correct me if I'm wrong but you're referring to a solid baton rather than extendable right? Well he's talking specifically about extendable, and the reason these don't tend to work well is because they take longer to deploy and don't hit quite as hard. I can attest to that latter point since I have been hit with them while stone cold sober, and when the adrenaline is rushing, you don't feel a thing from those. Therefore, you can't rely on the normal hits to disable the opponent, and have to escalate to more dangerous targets, like the head or neck. This is where it leaves the legal part of the diagram and 9 times out of 10 heads over to the effective but not legal portion A solid baton is a fine weapon for a police officer like you said, but ultimately that's not what he's talking about
When I lived in NYC where it's difficult to own a gun I carried a baton. I protected a young kid from being assaulted by a large man. I tapped his elbow and knees until he stopped attacking the kid. It definitely worked.
@@blaynegreiner9365 . Maybe the user wasn’t trying to permanently damage the attacker’s elbows; and knees ; the user probably wanted to tap the attacker’s elbows; and knees hard enough to send him a massage to stop with his attacking the victim. If the user had wanted to he could have seriously damage the attacker’s elbows; and knees; or strike the attacker very hard in the neck; and most likely killing him! The ASP baton is no toy! I purchased a collapsible ASP baton earlier this month online; I purchased one of those collapsible ASP batons after 9/11 ; and I would practice swinging it; and hitting pieces of wood until it finally broke. If I was to strike a thug in his neck region; or on his face; or head he might bleed to death; and that would be okay with me!
pretty sure the whole point is that that specific encounter is not too common. In fact, assault/violent encounters can and should be avoided as much as possible just by words. Verbal Judo type-stuff.
Adam Collins I wear an extra long wallet chain. Made of welded link stainless steel chain with a 3/4.” Link. Looks like a fashion accessory until I take it off and start swinging it 😄 That metal cable whip is just the next evolution of the “wallet” chain that bikers have carried for decades.😊
I have no obligation to fight fair with some idiot who wants to do me harm. I do not go around causing trouble or go looking for it, but wont fight fair if it finds me.
@@ishybro hope you don’t end up victimized sir. If you don’t have the right to use every means available to you to defend yourself when under attack then you don’t really have any rights period.
Imagine your angry little friend asks you to help him with a TH-cam video and then playfully swings and twirls a baton inches from your face for 7 minutes.. 🤣
That's all I was thinking the whole time too... he's bitching about safety and compliance and not hurting people, the whole time literal inches away from accidentally smashing his buddy's teeth in. Hypocrisy in action.
I’ll say what my father always said when he whooped my ass for being a little shit and I cried about it hurting “Well it isn’t suppose to tickle” No shit it’s made to hurt people, it’s a physical force factor to gain compliance. Personally I hate using them, but they have their uses.
I just made a 2k mile road trip each way for the holidays. I didn't carry since I was going through some restrictive liberal states, but I did have a 24" collapsible baton on me when walking the dogs or going out to the car. Someone tried to mug me in the hotel parking lot coming back. He had a pocket knife, I pulled out the baton. He ran away. Worked as intended.
Considering it’s longer than a knife and able to break bones, i get a feeling that it’s a decent wacking weapon for self defense if you don’t want to risk actually killing people like a knife could
With perfect accuracy, then yes you don't run the risk of killing somebody with a baton. However nobody has perfect accuracy, and if you accidentally strike somebody in the temple with that thing you can absolutely kill them with it. Granted it's not as big of a risk of killing the person as a knife would be, but there's still a risk.
@@zaodedong9935 I think the baton is a nice in between a knife and a gun. Its better to have a non accurate shot with a baton than a gun and the length/distance than a knife against the opponent... atleast in the US legality on polices side never mattered too much anyway🤷♀️ If one gotta be trained on accuracy and being able to stop oneself once the targets been taken down( I had the word in my head but it escaped me) I'd take control over a baton rather than a gun. Control over a gun is def needed but it shouldn't be no1 priority in teachings to discredit the use of batons and other not-immediately-deadly weappns/tools.
@@zaodedong9935 in a self defense situation if they have a knife and are threatening you with it congrats they have revoked their right to live if they die in the scuffle they earned it
@@zaodedong9935 oh yeah I'm gunna feel so bad if the dude that attacked me for no reason dies from his injuries. Do you people even like live in reality. You must have never been in anything close to an actual altercations with another person who wants to hurt you.
The biggest thing going for the baton... is that when it is deployed, usually that's the end of it. Nobody wants to be hit with a giant metal stick lol
@@Lorenzo_Marchetti4537 You're right, I've just carried one at work for years. No experience whatsoever. I'm glad you think so highly of yourself and that you think less of others.
@@Lorenzo_Marchetti4537 not sure where your other comment went big guy. You gotta give respect to get it. Don't discount the experiences of others, especially considering policing and being in the military are two totally different monsters. Just as being in a combat zone vs here in the United States.
@@chrissnoeberger192 Not sure where it went either, maybe TH-cam deleted it. I’ve given enough of myself to this country pal, two bullet wound scars and constant nightmares confirm that. Whatever experiences you faced on the streets are nothing compared to what I did, I can assure you.
@Legendary Force Clearly you are not a LEO. What he failed to demonstrate in the video is that even striking with the baton is ineffective. The only part on the baton worth landing a strike with is the threaded tip. When you are fighting and have adrenaline pumping, aiming that threaded tip where you want it to go on a person that is attacking you and moving is near impossible. I've seen them used in person three times and none of the times were they effective. The only time they are worth a shit is if you hit a bony (illegal) area with the threaded tip. The only "legal" areas to hit a human with a baton in a law enforcement capacity are meaty areas of the body. If you hit bony areas and break them, now you have to explain why you hit a bony area (probably because the suspect was moving) to avoid losing your job or obtaining charges. Personally, my baton has stayed in it's holster (I'm required to have it) since I've been doing my job. I'd rather use my hands and OC spray.
You have to have an expensive one to be effective. Like over $75 and up. Those will not break and are sturdy and will fold someone. The older ones in like '98 to 2003 were pure steel and extremely hard to close and open. To open you had to have good technique and super flick of the wrist. To close them you had to pound them on the damn ground.
"This is not merely a self-defense tool; this is a weapon. It's the instrument you employ to harm an individual that you're either angry or frustrated with, as you can't manage them solely through your combat skills." Absolutely, that's precisely what a self-defense tool is. It provides individuals who lack specific combat skills (which is about 99% of the population) with an advantage over an attacker. 🙄
Police by definition is (or should be) using lawful violence for the interest of the public. Policemen don't have to be ninjas or samurais to manage everyone through their combat skills, they just need the equipment (as in weapons) and basic training on their weapons and tactics to be able to manage anyone. With the power of numbers on their side if needed. Because it's not about them proving they are the best in combat, it's about them enforcing the law for the benefit of all of us
ok man you say that like its a bad thing besides more assaults happen with fists because someones angry and guess what you always have them unless they get cut off but.
@@jaymstergms3596 yeah mate i'm agree for you guys, no offense but this content is stupid really, obviously he's never been hit by Baton in the head, because I've done it to a bad guy on the street, and it's work, the person fell and was unconscious instantly.
I've been a Patrol Officer in some of the hardest areas of Southern Arizona. I have had ample opportunity to use a Baton, OC, and Taser. I have to say, the Baton can be perfectly LEGALLY effective. When someone squares up with you and you start blasting their elbow & forearm/wrist & hand areas, they tend to think twice about their previous actions...
In cali they are completely illegal.. the justice system favors criminals here so my only options are run( family of 4) a 3 inch knife taser or tiny oc spray.... I wish we could carry a baton here. I never want to use a knife for self defence and tasers dont help you keep distance.
I haven't been a police officer, and I really don't understand the procedures. I'd prefer to ask about the "effective vs legal" problem. Don't police officers know the difference between an attacker and an ordinary person?
Yeah pretty much. He maybe has a point for the cops, but anyone else who gets attacked should absolutely be smacking their assailant in the head with a metal bar if they don't have a gun.
@Apple Support For Police a gun should be the very last thing they use to gain compliance. For a regular person a gun should also be the last thing on your list of priorities. Being a gun carrying advocate doesn't mean that he believes its always ok to shoot someone to death, and even if he believes that at the very least a gun is way more effective than a baton. Police carry a gun because they are tasked with entering a dangerous situation. The gun is a last resort and should be treated as such. Yes, hitting someone on the head with a baton will make them bleed out and probably die and shooting someone will probably do the same thing, but if that's the case then why carry the baton if it's just going to do the guns job less effectively and safely for the person who carries it. The issue he points is that the use cases of a baton where they are effective aren't typically legal, and the times where its legal to use the baton don't gain compliance. However, this idea may be biased given that whenever a baton is used unlawfully, videos of that scenario are sent online and get views, which would never be the case with the times batons were used legally. Besides the alternatives Hard2Hurt recommends are tactical whips, which he fully acknowledges would probably not be a good, justifiable idea for a citizen, let alone a police officer lol. But at least they were whipped into compliance instead of having their heads bleeding out.
the point is, in a fight a baton doesnt really hurt and doesnt make people comply, unless you hit them in the head, but if you hit someone in the head with a baton it might kill them, for a cop i dont need to explain why is dumb to use a Non-lethal weapon that only makes effect if you use lethal force with it, for a untrained civilian, using a baton most likely you will lose the baton an then get hit by it, as a trained civilian, if you have a little bit of racionality and emotion, you know that killing someone is not a good thing to do and will change your life forever so probably its not how you're gonna handle every situation.
@appIesupport yeah, break his knees, perhaps torn a ligament and maybe give them permanent damage. if you wanna make people hurt, there is other weapons more eficient than a baton. and if you wanna make people comply, there is other tools more eficient than a baton. so why use a baton really?
I’ve seen a guy fighting 2 guys one time while I was buying groceries with my parents about 3 years ago. They were in the parking lot and the 2 guys seems to be like drug addicts that were asking for money forcefully. One of the goons was about to pull something from his pocket when the dude got his baton, extended it and hit the guy on the temple. It all happened so quick that the other guy was confused and just took off running while his friend is out cold bleeding.
So, only works when the "goons" are so damn slow that they take longer to pull out something than it takes for you to see him pull things out, react, pull out a baton, deploy it, and then somehow hit him in the head.
@@NoName-mi8js it takes like a second to to pull and deploy a baton at the same time. Also from what I remember the baton that the guy used might be automatic cause it didn’t look like he flicked his wrist.
@NoName-mi8js No, it can actually work in different ways, too. Come on, man, not trying to be a jerk, but think about what you said. That logic of yours, which i'm being generous calling it logic, could be used for anything. So let me get this straight. A gun only works for a police officer if he happens to pull it out before the bad guy does and shoot him before the cop gets shot. Otherwise it doesn't work. Is that what the hell you're saying? I mean, what the hell are you talking about? So I guess it's better to not have a gun at all, and only the bad guy can have one. So that way, even if he is slow, pulling it out, you're gonna be shot.Regardless is that your plan? I mean, we really shouldn't fight back anyways, because it only works if we happen to be a better fighter than them. So if we're not, then we lose anyways, so there's no point of even trying or doing anything, I mean, listen, how absurd your logic is . Airplanes are only gonna work unless it crashes and kills everybody So I mean, I guess they're basically pointless.It's amazing That that's the argument you would use, even if you're against batons, and by the way, i'm not for batons, I'm not against them. But the reasons that have been given to argue against them are so illogical, a nonsensical. I don't need to carry up a time.I have a permit to carry a gun if I choose to . I pray to god.I would never have to use it. But i'm not gonna sit there and say, well, it's only gonna work unless it jams somehow because it was manufactured incorrectly, so don't even bother.Yeah, I guarantee you wouldn't think that if somebody was breaking into your home, attempting to hurt your family. Because I guarantee with an attitude like that. Most likely, I doubt you're gonna put up much of a physical defense yourself. You'd be the first one saying, honey, go see what that is
I'm a Muay Thai instructor (KRU) and a Balintawak practitioner (Filipino stick and knife). A baton isn't the same as a burnt Rattan, but they're interchangeable in utility. After years of live sparring with sticks and being around high level artists, I can say with 100% confidence that a well trained Martial Artist is extremely dangerous in a self-defense scenario with a Baton. It took me years to even score a significant hit on a well practiced person. I mean, common. You almost knocked out your buddies teeth by merely being careless. As far as the legality conversation goes, I'd rather be able to hash it out with my lawyer than be dead on the pavement.
If it comes to a legitimate threat to your life why wouldn't you simply use a gun then? Far more effective than a stick. Lots of places a baton is looked at as the same level of force as a firearm. So even that argument depending on the area doesn't really pan out.
Yeah but he's not talking about well experienced martial artists. He's talking about everyday common people using a baton for self defense. The point of self defense is defending your life in the most efficient and effective way possible. A common person is going to be way more of both of those if using a gun, over a baton, bar none. In your effective way possible. A common person is going to be way more of both of those if using a gun, over a baton, bar none. In your scenario, if an experienced martial artist were to use said baton, in a court of law that might be misconstrued as being more assault with intent to kill than self defense, which makes a huge difference. It's viewed as, well if you hit this person here in X place or you hit them X amount of times then you intended on hurting that subject rather than just defending yourself. If you shoot a subject in the chest twice while he's coming at you, then at least here in the state of texas, that's known as standing your ground. Not to mention that if you hurt someone, even someone that attacked you, that person can come back and sue the shit out of you. Self defense is about way more than just being good at fighting. It's about knowing what to do and what not to do in a given situation, and knowing how the laws in your state work.
this dude is literally just click baiting people now cause his content sucks balls. he goes on about how useless it is and at 3:35 he states that a danger could be that the attacker will disarm you and use it against you.. quite literally shot himself in the foot and then put foot in his own mouth. that must be the dumbest self own ever
@@1911GreaterThanALL Guns can miss, hit unintended targets. Batons, sticks, knives don't miss. I would rather a baton than a gun. Guns require distance and not effective in close range. Guns are good but knowing range and something to use for up close is also good. Most fights, start in close range.
@@stanknight9159 If you literally put the muzzle onto a threat and pull the trigger the threat goes away or is highly dissuaded. You can miss with anything. You can swing and miss a baseball you can swing and miss a person. A firearm poses the risk of being taken from you and used against you just like a baton or whatever. However a firearm is the best tool in terms of force.
i used one against an pitbull ... he latched on my leg and hit him 2 times on the head . i cracked the pitbull skull and left it bleeding on the road his brains visible ... it saved my leg.
@@St.FighterZ It's good against dogs, but only use it against people if you are very proficient with it, otherwise if your opponent is even somewhat skilled in CQC, then if you swing the baton around then he is going to kick your ass. I found out that it's best to use a telescopic baton as a STABBING weapon, not as a swinging/impact weapon. It's tip is blunt so there is little chance of it causing severe injury that could lead to death, and trust me when I say it....IT fucking hurts like hell when you are stabbed in the stomach with it.
I was wondering how he was going to explain how a metal piece of steel that can break bones and crack skulls somehow isn't a good thing to defend yourself with....yeah I'm still using the baton to turn my attacker's face into a golf divet.
@@-dale2051 ok and? If someone attacks me, sorry you might get killed. A laser is going to be be super unreliable, way less reliable and smacking someone in the head with a steel rod.
No, defence is the shields (or body armour for example) primary purpose to protect against incoming attacks. The sword or mace(in this case baton because let's face it baton and mace are just fancy words for fancy clubs) are for offence delivering damage to incapacitate or kill an enemy. Yes either or can be used for their oppisite intentions from which they were intended. but it's the primary purpose either was made for that should classify it as either a defencive tool or an offencive tool after all that is what it will be best at. Clubs, guns ,tazers swords, knifes, pepper spray these are all personal offence tool or "weapons". Understand Offence or the threat of it is also in its self a form of defence because it can discourage potential assailants from attempting to attack. And when attacked it may be nessasarry to meet the incoming attack and retaliate to it in order to insure your continuing personal safety which is what everyone is really talking about when they talk about "self defence" really it's a conversation about "personal safety" and what levels of "offencive measures" and "defence messures" are warranted to maintain it.
It seems crazy to me that using something as low key as a Baton for a legit, true self defense situation could be considered illegal. If we are allowed to use something as straight up lethal as a gun for self defense, then why on earth would a Baton not be considered so? If someone is straight up attacking or robbing you, you should be allowed to use whatever the hell is nearby to defend yourself. It's either you or them in that situation. Sometimes the law is completely illogical I swear...
You should literally be allowed to carry any device with lower lethality than a gun anywhere, of course concealed if it's a blade but they shouldn't have any legislation on weapons of lower tier than firearms
My baton has been an effective deterrent. During the lockdown my girl and I were feeding stray dogs at night. Three guys in a car saw her went few meters ahead and stopped. I got out my baton and stood near her. They got out of the car, saw me with the baton and sat back in. I think a good self defense weapon is one which you don't have to use
I live in the UK and recently had someone trying to attack me with a knife lucky enough I had my telescopic baton with me me as soon as I pulled it out he ran away so for me it did it's job well by preventing something serious happened!!
My friend used one to protect herself from a guy who assaulted her. After she was pushed to the ground, she pulled it out & hit the guy across the knee, that gave her a chance to get away.
Frank Taylor sounds easily possible tho, it gives the user a way to cause more damage to defend themselves better. Yes it can be taken away, so can a knife and gun albeit not as easily.
The reason we're calling bullshit is You need some good leverage to expand it. When you're wrestled on the ground is not easily opened. And we know from experience using this. And this is probably why op hasn't replied cause they know it's bullshit as most of us with a go-go-good brain call bullshit
@@ericsalidbar1693 they said pushed to the ground, not wrestled on the ground. If someone pushes you onto the ground and stands over you, I’m sure you could pull out a baton and whack someone on the knee with it.
As a woman driving across Canada alone with a uhaul trailer full of stuff and who doesn't own a gun, I felt safer with that exact baton under the seat of my car as I slept in my car during my travels. I feel in my case, it would be self defense against a person trying to break into my car and get at me.
That is actually probably the worse situation to try and use one in my opinion. It requires a large swing to be at all effective. You are not going to be able to swing it enough while inside the car to have an effect.
@@cgsec2275she might get dragged out of the car. Besides, being alone in some dark highway trying to sleep, I would feel more comfortable with anything in my hand than nothing. I rather have 20 inches of steel than nothing.
@@destro25official77 there is this European website that sells the best quality ones. If you look up best quality batons on TH-cam there should be a link in one of those videos.
@Molly Bason no, self defense isn't "removing yourself from a dangerous situation" That's called fleeing. Self-defense is literally about winning a fight, are you incompetent?
@Molly Bason if you avoid conflict then you don't need self defense. Self defense is the act of physically stopping the threat. Removing yourself from the situation is safer but it isn't always an option.
@Molly Bason you can't defend yourself from something that isn't attacking you. again fleeing and self-defense are two different things if you flee you don't have to defend If you defend that means you didn't flee or were unable to. Dude come on it's pretty simple any lawyer or officer or martial artist or MMA fighter or anyone that knows a hint about what self-defense actually is could tell you that
This guys a good example of experienced and educated people still not knowing what theyre talking about. Ive seen batons break BRICKS and my tiny 14 inch baton breaks apart tree trunks like theyre watermelon. These can kill with one hit to the head and will easily break bones. A very good defense tool indeed.
Ah, another dumbass that goes "Oh, why don't you just get hit by one, then?" LMAO. Not only did you complete fail to watch the video or understand it, you literally said the thing being called out.
But that’s exactly the point, it can definitely kill but if you’re a cop and in a deadly force encounter, you should go for your gun. The thing about being an LEO is that policy will dictate where and when you can hit with a baton. That’s usually it’s when a subject is assault is combative. And you can only hit primary and secondary zones. Primary being center mass or the meaty parts of the arms and legs; quads, hamstrings, calves, biceps, and triceps. Secondary being the bones parts of the arms and legs; knees, elbow, wrists, and shoulders but must be justified in the use of force spectrum. The head, neck, spine, groin and chest are completely off limits unless you’re involved in a deadly force encounter. But if an assaultive subject escalates to deadly force by pulling a knife or a gun out, you can’t rely on the baton to end the threat. You will most likely be going for your gun too. If the subject is assaultive, by following policy and only targeting the authorized primary locations, your strikes may be ineffective. If you strike secondary zones you will be more effective and possibly legal but risk hitting the red zones and using deadly force when it’s not needed and getting fired/arrested after the fact. If the baton is all you have, you are most likely in SOL. Now imagine the subject manages to grab it and take it from you and use it against you, since they are untrained and not subjected to rules, they will strike your head, neck, or ribs and put you into a deadly force encounter. In that case you better have a gun.
Ryde_JA Agree 100%. If you had to fight someone with a knife empty hand, your getting jacked up no matter what, if you have a baton, your in pretty good shap
@@Mikesullin You're getting jacked when equipped a baton too, unless it's a shitty stupid duel. Don't get into duels. People will rarely back down when hit with a baton (as opposed, say, getting faceful of pepper spray) and it's as hard to keep distance or strike effectively with one of these as unarmed. And the weapon locks an untrained user into dangerous swings which open you to knife stabs everywhere if the attacker just takes a hit. It's the equivalent of wild haymakers.
Although not used as a weapon in this case, the baton has successfully been used countless times by officers and civilians alike to bust out car windows saving trapped or unconscious victims. Not to mention the baton's use of "extracting" non-compliant suspects from their cars. I myself have used a baton to successfully defend against wild dogs attacking me while trail running. You wont see me giving mine up any time soon.
@@ManifestingADream These days some baton comes with a tip that embeded with a carbide glass breaker. A small life tip: hit the glass at the higher corner when you are trying to break car window.
An expandible baton is a great compact tool to have on a walk, stroll through the park or hike in the wilderness in case of an animal or dog attack. I rarely have used it, but the few times I have, it prevented aggressive dogs from being able to harm myself or loved ones.
@@tonyperez4713 Soft hands, Hard hands, Chemical, Taser, Baton, Firearm. Taser is generally less-lethal than a baton, but Taser is better than nothing, and better than hitting or killing someone... but it's best to have a baton in between that gun and taser. Would you rather just shoot someone dead OR hit them twice with a baton and live? ... One is minor injury, the other is they are killed by you. Think hard.
@@aandyherr817 a taser can actually cause cardiac arrest and people with pacemakers will die from tasers. Most security guards aren’t allowed to carry tasers because of that.
@Koki also I'm a security guard and we have less restrictions than police do. Police don't really carry them anymore and it's because they are usually ineffective and we are in the midst of a Fentanyl epidemic
As someone who has worked as security guard who's only means of self defense was a baton I will say this. 1 on one occasion I successfully defended myself against a tire iron. 2 there were many times I stopped an attack just by pulling the thing. Sure they kept on talking tough but they did it while backing up.
I am a night club bouncer 7 yrs, and I’ve successfully used my baton on numerous occasions to deter silly drunks, and Also successfully defended myself as well as others by physically using it…
Yeah. Idk if he just has an issue with cops or what but I have no idea how someone’s gonna say that a long metal stick s not a good weapon. Range and force. That’s like saying a bat isnt a good weapon. Ummmm yes tf it is
@ I once picked up a headboard from a bed and used it to stop a guy from beating my partner with a metal spatula. That doesn't mean it would be smart to start carring around furniture.
These batons work on a situation that is to protect yourself from a knife assault, guns can work in that situation but can possibly hit someone else in the crossfire. But of course weapons are weapons, in some hands it would go fatally injure or kill someone like what he stated. That is how weapons are though, a way to get an advantage on a fight and consequences will always exist. Weapons like that can be restricted on some ranks or places where irrational and low iq people tend to do violence like the guy he exampled. It is debatable though, I’m not straight up cancel culture him or even you. Just hearing rational opinions out and sharing my opinions about this topic.
I can see a number of pros to using this weapon, even though I never have myself: -Easily carried, portable, light -Threatening sound and movement when deployed. Sometimes that's enough to deter an attacker. -Has a nasty reputation. Yeah, it can be used to really wreck someone. It can be scary. Even if technically proven a bad weapon. -Longer range than a knife and less risk of lethal injury on the target. -As other have stated, if aimed properly it can be an ideal disarming weapon. If it breaks a wrist it may even disable a threat completely, giving you time to call 911 or run away. -If someone is charging at you, a sidestep followed by a sharp blow to the leg can cripple your attacker, making them regret their choices, without risk of lethal injury. -Other uses aside from as a weapon. Can break glass or snap a tree branch. -Can fend off a dog or wild animal. Getting a bladed weapon stuck in one might result in you getting bit, which is really bad if they are rabid. -Probably faster to deploy than pepperspray or a tazer, though either have their advantages over a baton. -Can potentially knock out an opponent, though IRL its not like in movies and may result in severe permanent injury. Though that is acceptable in some mugging or house defense scenarios. Probably not something to use against a simply aggressive/unruly/drunk person and I agree on the bit about cops abusing it. I can seriously f**k someone up, send people to the hospital and incur lawsuits, whereas mace/tazers won't. But against an _armed_ opponent it seems like a weapon of choice. Fast, threatening, effective, reaching, disabling and disarming.
like i say, half of self defense is presentation, if you can present yourself in a way that shows potential aggressors that you aren't someone to fuck around with, it will dissuade any assaults/muggings. whipping out a baton is one such way of doing that by showing you have a weapon and are willing to use it, but avoiding the potential pitfalls that pulling a gun might have (for example if you are in a crowded situation where bringing a gun into that situation could lead to collateral damage, or might not actually be allowed either socially or legally)
Yeah, I think I agree with all the comments and not this guy, on this one. I have been researching the collapsible baton because I have been taking kick boxing and stick fighting classes for about a year and a half, and am getting reasonably good with the Kali sticks that I would likely be able to defend against someone who had a knife. I will never be good enough with a knife to defend against a knife-and it looks like nobody really is. I figure a collapsible baton should be a decent stand-in for a kali stick. :)
@@graveyj2000 And don't discount the kali stick if you have nothing else left lol. Getting smashed by one of those HURTS. Not as much as a baton, but still.
This bald dwarf do not know what he is talking about, law enforcement in Europe always carry baton and use is pretty often, some can only carry batons so thats the only weapon i am allowed to use.
I’ve been in law-enforcement for 15 years, and Baton worked great for me. Made for a great back scratcher, picking up snakes or moving nasty things I don’t wanna touch. Oh I was supposed to hit people with it, yeah never happen.
Good reply. But I have to ask you honestly, as you are the professional in confrontations by likely sheer number of experience. _If_ a baton is weapon where it is clearly not for self defensive, and is dangerously offensive on many levels from legality, concealment, and assault charge more likely because one is using said offensive weapon.... Does this not make it the ultimate deterant? Did you have to draw it ever, or had you felt it did have some deterant factor for compliance? I realize of course one should not carry anything they are not willing to use, and applied to carrying an offensive weapon, that is an issue. But still, isn't there a 'fear of the bâton' that it does work for a deterant of action? If you had to reach for a weapon, (assuming the other is unarmed) would it not be better to shift policing away from deadly force of a gun to choosing an effective offensive weapon? ('Charline horses', break a hand finger, or forearm.) Would this not be better than straight to the Colt, for death avoidance?
@@thethree60five from my experience and being around other law enforcement officers from around the country, baton does not deter people. Also if it reached a point where I had to draw and use a firearm the time to wound the person has past.
@@jsocks1984 Thanks for the reply. I appreciate that. I am honestly curious and you seem to be the right person to ask. That's the point I was trying to get at as well, at what point could they be used, or as you said, it has already escalated past that. British Police where they don't carry guns and there isn't as much 'gun culture' or gun violent clashes with police, seem to use it as a deterrent. Totally different situation of course, I am just a little surprised that it isn't seen as more of a deterrent. So in your opinion should officers or all officers be given them? What _is_ the point then, in the training/carry ?
Reality check: You're not going to worry about the law while someone is stabbing you. That's just not going to happen. The wrestler Bruiser Brody and UFC fighter Maiquel Falcao were both stabbed to death, even though they had exceptional fighting ability, and that's because there's no martial art that offers solid, reliable knife defense. I don't care what martial art you do, I don't care if you're a black belt or not, if you're up against a knife, you are at a severe disadvantage. Even the U.S. military teach you to run away from a knife attacker. A flashlight and baton combo are most definitely reliable tools for self-protection if a gun isn't an option.
This. I train is Muay Thai and Kali. My kali instructor straight up says to run if you see a knife. And if you can't run, or you have your family / children with you you need to protect, then have something on you, like a firearm (if legal in your area), mace, flashlight, baton, or something, to try and defend yourself you. BUT, know that you're going to get cut either way and perhaps die.
@@chikenmorris7170 I spent years in armed security. The Baton acted between my pepper spray and pistol. By the time you reach for a baton, your only other option is putting a .40 JHP in someone's face. I'd prefer to have that option. The Baton is good for creating distance between you and an attacker. It's a reliable way to take someone down, without executing them, in close quarters. I don't know about police work, but it's great for security. Whereas a firearm is "deadly force", a baton is only "deadly force" if used on the head, face or neck. Anywhere else and it's much easier to justify.
The difference here is that for police as an example, they aren't trying to fend them off....... they are trying to subdue the suspect (and usually) arrest them.
@gregtubez so he was a standard patrol officer for 8 years and his experience is most likely the initial training and annual in service training, and nothing really further than that in regard to departmental training?
As a 32 year cop (20 on SWAT & as the department DT Instructor) I have to say that it's a training issue. A suspect can pose one of 5 levels and you can only use the baton on someone that is level #4. First level is Cooperative (no force is allowed at all) #2 is Passive Resistor #3 is Active Resistor #4 is Combative/Assaultive #5 is a Deadly Threat Next problem is that baton companies want you to use the baton on "Green" zones (which happen to be areas heavily muscled such as the "Buttocks") which cause pain but really dont stop a serious threat. Red zones such as the Head or Spine can cause serious injury or death should only be struck when the suspect poses a Deadly Threat (In which case you shouldn't be even trying to use your baton unless it's the only thing you have). I teach the baton as a Long Range Weapon, and should be used against the "Closest Target" which is usually the Suspects lead leg or fist. You smack his knee or hand and it almost ALWAYS works. But those are usually "Yellow" targets and can cause injury (broken bones in the hand etc). I've had to use the baton many times and it never failed me. I can say that several officers.have complained to me.thst the baton doesn't work and that they wont use it because it's ineffective. I then say "Oh Yeah? Let me hit you with one shot". No one has ever taken me up on it. Knowledge and skill is power.
Retired cop here..I carried several different kinds of collapsible batons for 27 years..the only time I ever used them was in my patrol car to reach over and adjust the air vents on the passenger side.
I'm gonna be honest, I thought you're actually supposed to use it that way. If someone attacked me, i would pull out a "defense tool" and beat them relentlessly until they either fell unconscious or gave up. I figure it's still better that stabbing them or something
I like push daggers for street fights , never had to use them but with certain types of push daggers it would be impossible to disarm you , and if youre up against 5 thugs , if you stick one or two the fights over
Coni Glione Well, people attack other people all the time for no reason. You haven’t given a iota of evidence that it doesn’t happened, and I’ve personally seen it happen, so. 🤷♂️
I don’t want things that are “legal” in Hong Kong to be legal in America. There is a cultural aspect as well Americans relationships with and feelings towards law enforcement is different from almost every in the world and the baton is most effective as psychological deterrent.
I have had four occasions where the baton works great. Never had a moment where the baton failed. You have to understand: a great martial artist can make any item work. It's not up to the 'weapon' itself. It's up to the person.
so your a poet that needs to cary a self defense baton and have been in 4 situations where it worked as intended? what did someone not give you the right change and you beat them half to death and got it corrected?
@@xati5135 What a weirdo you are. Women, feminine people and minorities get attacked all the time, whether you believe us or not. You’re probably the kind of person who’d pointlessly attack too. You did with your comment, after all.
I'm sorry that the internet is full of such shitty people. I would also like to hear, however the stories of what happened. The more we know the better informed we are and the better prepared we are.
@@hard2hurt theres literally stories in the comments at this point of people successfully defending themselves with a baton. Your a joke if you need some statistic to tell you large heavy weapon is good for defense and offense. Have you ever seen a fight. People like to pick up stuff and swing it at the person, and it usually pretty effective. Oh but excuse me oh great wise one only you can say if they work or not. Waste of human.
@@tangerinetech5300 like me was a security guard for bars and had real street fights with gangs I have stories about effectively defending against guns, batons, knifes and glass bottles. Using boxing, Jeet kune do and wing chun techniques, karate techniques and jiu jitsu and especially krav maga techniques which actually uses alot of things from all of the above. This prat and his friend have proven nothing like I said in my own long comments to him he should get his friend to hit him full force or hit himself full force or hell he should pick a legit fight with an actual police officer armed with a baton see how effective it is in real combat when your actually been properly hit, or choked or jabbed in the eyes, neck with it. These fake TH-cam fighters and mcdojos can talk all the shit they want until they are been literally smacked to death with it and the person's actually trying to hurt you. What made me laugh too was he was doing proper techniques or using to do grappels but the way he was doing them in an effective self defense way was completely off and clearly uneducated. He was not showing what you have to do once you have them in a choke lock or arm lock with it using it as leverage to push the arm down and takedown with then following that through with hits to face, stomach and head proper self defense you wanna do with a baton not do the shit he does it this crap video. Trying to say batons don't work is like saying a hook punch, finger jab to the throat or elbow strike to the face or kick to the shin or head or ribs or even arm lock and arm bar or bo staff or sword don't work absolute bullshit artist. Should stick to their little dojo sparing and point system competition fighting with their rules and legalized fighting with a ring and referee and crowds to cheer and boo them instead of making fake claims about weapons developed for self defense and has been used for decades by police and military. Stupid to even make such a claim. Especially when they are challenging people to call them out on it I did that and so many actual police officers, security guards, military and self defense martial artist have all throughout the comment section complete bull shitters. They should try underground bare knuckle like I've done it's barely any rules and it's illegal see if they last then, Soon learn which martial arts and which self defense techniques and weapons works then. Or go train to with military or police I had police and army cadets training with me in both my Jeet kune do and krav maga dojos because those are effective martial arts. all these MMA fighters forget Bruce Lee created the first MMA fighting style. Also karate, wing Chun, Kung Fu and alot of traditional martial arts are literally copied from to create their modern Martial arts.
LET ME TELL YOU having worked in prison for 30 yrs I've used pepper spray knee knockers side handle batons, this expandable baton has saved many officers from an inmate with a shank and OH YA I CARRY ONE DAILY. SO WHY ONLY 8 YRS
I absolutely agree. I've been a cop for 40+ years. Retired but still work special duty assignments. I started with a 23" wood baton. I loved it. The baton is not a "beat into submission" weapon. It is used in addition to other self defense strategies. Create distance, intimidation, holds and take-downs. On duty my last 20 years I carried an ASP 19" steel collapsible. Thank you Bigwood 360 for your service. (I have to ask, is "Bigwood" have some special meaning??)
@@danbeck6654 Retired Sgt, the white inmates were considered woods or peckerwoods, I was knick named BIG WOOD by the other races so it just stuck and I had no problem with it
If you look at historical weapons, almost every melee weapon is characterised as basically being a kin to a big stick; usually pointy at the end, but not always (maces, quarterstaffs). A stick can be used to deflect incoming strikes, much better than using your hands if defending against other melee weapons, and it also provides a reach advantage compared to fists. A baton seems a pretty reasonable extension of ones abilities, a power multiplier.
Exactly. The whole point of melee weapons is to enhance what you already have. Yeah, you can lock someone without a baton, if you know the technique. Add a baton and you’re now twice as capable of disabling the threat. If using a non lethal melee weapon doesn’t up your game, you’re shit at martial arts to begin with.
Brandon most common was probably a quarter staff, spear, or axe. Def spear was very common. Maces not so much since their greatest use was against full plate (typical fantasy knight armor), and a commoner wasn’t likely to come up against a warrior who could afford full plate. As for swords, well crafted ones, such as the Norse Ulfbert, were indeed very pricy, but I believe you could get a kind of shitty one for a decent price. Not everyone walked around with swords, but they were easily one of the most popular weapons for self defense - if you were going to be traveling or something, you might bring a sword with for protection.
Of course this’s coming from a normal sized dude. When you’re a 5”1 female and a big dude is squaring up… yeah I’m gonna do whatever I can to increase the damage I can do. It’s not a fair fight otherwise.
@bfk4lif I don't have any videos of him on duty but I think he teaches a class not this Thursday but next Thursday I can probably video some of the sparring footage
Arguing with you: 1) One of the best ways to take someone out of the fight is blunt force trauma to the head. (Matt Thornton: Straight Blast Gym, possibly misquoted) 2) If a guy has a knife, a stick is a great way to keep the distance and knock it from his hands.. you don't need to be trained in Kali to do this..it's natural 3) Defending yourself with a stick is rather Milquetoast for a judge/Jury.. They see HORRIBLE things in court.. and a few bruises on an illegal attacker is sort of...meh..to a judge. 4) Context and cameras.. If you're lawful, it will show. 5) Better to survive and go to court, than to think "I wish I'd had anything in my hands at all) while you bleed out 6) Knives are nasty. Chains are the tools of criminals. (see 3 above) Thanks tho. We disagree. Wish you the best.
Chains ? Im a complete novice in a fight situation but I think a baton would be advantageous over a chain because of the quicker recovery reaction 2nd and 3rd striking ability. Chain having a longer reach than baton but longer reactive 2nd strike ability?
Blunt force trauma to the head is the quickest way to end up in jail for manslaughter. Seriously, look up the guys that accidentally killed people just by punching them once. You go for the elbows, thighs, shoulders and the like.
I must be misunderstanding something here about why being able to defend yourself is a bad thing. Someone attacks you, you don't want to be hurt = defend your self. That's where it ends doesn't it? Is everyone supposed to know how to defend themselves with their hands alone, what if an attacker has a knife? It's all about what-ifs at the end of the day and I'd like to minimise my chances of getting hurt if someone wanted to attack me and I don't believe people should be judged by which means they manage to do it.
@@jth_printed_designs what happens is you discover just how stupid you are as a citizen for being somewhere where the government does it's best to keep its Citizens from being able to defend themselves.
@@reepat9820 he asked what happened if you're somewhere that massively restricts your second amendment rights implying a situation where you can't have a gun or legally use it effectively. By living somewhere with a high crime rate and laws that prevent the average person from being able to properly defend themselves you screw yourself over.
I carried one of those as an MP in the early 2000's. The only time I had to use it was when I had a really drunk guy being belligerent and trying to take my sidearm out of my holster while I was trying to detain him. It was a retention holster, so the chances of a guy that inebriated actually getting the firearm free were pretty low, but I wasn't willing to take the chance. He got a fractured elbow. I honestly missed my mark... I was aiming for his upper arm, but he flinched when he saw it coming and pulled his arm up, so he got a trip to the hospital before he was taken to the base detention facility until his 1SG could come get him. I got recommended for an award for taking a guy off the road that was well past 2x the legal limit for drunk driving, and he got his arm in a sling for a while and a suspended license. For what it's worth, I warned him, and then I only swung once. I can see how these things could easily be overused in a stressful situation, but when used with restraint they can be really effective at stopping inappropriate behavior.
I still say he's confused as to what exactly a" self-defense tool" is. It's literally anything to defend yourself. Anything can be deadly in the right hands.
You are going at this from a common sense standpoint, but the law doesn't work like that. Intent for something to be a weapon, such as a combat knife, is what qualifies as something that is bannable even as a self defense weapon. Kitchen knives are also banned from travel because while the intended purpose is for preparing ingredients, the ease with which they become a weapon for killing and their lethality makes them a real threat. Depends on the country if the argument I just made goes. Some countries are icky even about stuff like pepper spray, or self defense in general. To the point in places like Italy if you beat up a burglar coming into your house, or even worse, shoot them, you'll go to jail.
@@BygoneT the point of self defense is to survive m8. something being illegal doesn't make it cease to exist especially in the theoretical sense. Self-defense being illegal doesn't make it non Self-defense
In my country firearms are banned. This gives me reach advantage, multiply the force and most of all has a deterring effect in 9 out of 10 confrontations. I live in high poverty and high crime city. It's not uncommon for a group of teenage thugs to gang up, hunt on random people and beat them to a pulp. I feel much safer with this tool. Never had to actually use it, just deploying it was enough. I'm willing to use it if it saves me from stomps to the head on the ground which I personally witnessed a couple of times.
@Fat kid from Up what the fuck are you talking about? The guy in the video said it was bad, and anybody who doesn't think it's a weapon is an idiot. My point was that it's a weapon, and in being a weapon isn't a problem. And it's funny you just assumed I'm liberal lol. I carry a 1911 everyday, have an AR15, an SKS, and a Remington 870 about 5 feet away. So please shut the fuck up and think before you type. Who's the one telling themselves stupid shit now?
@@Jaimzz neither are knives, guns, bats, pipes, vehicles or any other potentially dangerous implement. That doesn't invalidate it as a self defense tool.
@@ryanspencer4068 some do, many don't. The problem isn't the police using weapons it's the lack of consequences when they misuse them. I personally believe depriving police of lethal force is the wrong way to go. Charge the ones that misuse that force and misuse will drop overnight.
@itsjoendx gun nuts dont understand self defense, what do you not get? USA has the most guns per habitants but usualy are used in accidental or mass shootings. Carrying a condom wont protect your virginity
I can kinda see your point but you say that most of the time it’s either legal and ineffective or effective but illegal. I’m gonna need more than a incorrectly illustrated ven diagram to come to that conclusion. Statistics tends to work more. I mean the ven diagram itself is bad because you’re using it to show amount when that’s not what the ven diagram is supposed to be used for. Anyway regardless if you agree with me or not, I think I speak for a good amount of viewers when I say you haven’t convinced anyone about anything
Being a cop as well you should know the vast majority of baton uses are not actually as a weapon or self defense and more used in cases where breaking windows is necessary from a distance
In finland security guards can only carry these kinda batons, pepper spray and scuffs and some more little stuff but only like 1% can even carry gun so this is mostly their most lethal equipment
@sophisticated B Police don't even know how to "get hands on". I've seen footage of cops getting easily overpowered by assailants in physical confrontations and it's pathetic to watch. The fact is that the training budget can not cover much of the training in intense and effective hand to hand techniques that are necessary and that cops should be taught. I even heard that the Gracie family has offered free training to certain police departments in order to assist with this lack of available hand to hand training.
Everyone fart wafting in this thread as if cops have any idea of what a person has at all times. Cops dont go hands on because they're smarter than you. No telling if the person has a knife, gun, blunt weapon, or whatever. Morons always point fingers because we learn what the suspect had or didnt AFTER the fact. Fuckin dip shits
@@hard2hurt I love your content Mike and I do respect the fact you've clearly been in some violent situations and not some random "self defence" TH-camr. But I can't seem to rationalise that if you had 2 people, same training, same physical make up. The person without the "weapon" as you called it would come out better off. Obviously that wasn't the point of the video. The video was about police using them. My question would be in a self defence scenario, say against a knife, would it be effective or would you recommend something else? After fundamental striking and grappling skills, and also given the fact you can't easily aquire guns in this part of the world? Yes I have a big arse torch, and the I haven't tried the funny steel whip thing.
@@ctrl_x1770 jokes aside a whip just cuts up the skin but a baton will break bones. I don't think there is anything more painful that breaking bones. Not to mention a baton is easily concealable and a whip is not.
It worked every time I used it, on people and animals. You break a knee, the guy goes down. You hit the hand, he drops what he’s holding. You smack the attacking dog in the side of the head, it wanders off and dies. I don’t agree with using it for complicated kata holds, because no one practices them. That’s my anecdote.
Not just the country. Just about every country in the world uses a form of a baton. Having a baton is an added step before the use of a firearm among other tools and skills. Taking the baton away removes a step and could potentially have undesired results, not to mention officers who end up having to deal with larger opponents or out numbered. Is it perfect? No, but that is what training and the other tools and skills are for, to help balance out the baton's weaknesses. Also hard2hurt, you come off as overly arrogant and pretentious. The mocking attitude does not serve to aid your point of view nor sell it.
"A threat doesn't stop being a threat until it had been completely stopped" If somebody attacks you with anything, even hands and fists, there is a chance they will kill you. Too much of a chance to take. You shouldn't be concerned with what occurs to someone who is trying to take your life
Wow, an anime quote, followed up with a misunderstanding of the law. As much as I like the idea of just killing everyone that takes a swing at you, that is in fact, not allowed. Reasonable force.
@@NoName-mi8js What anime? if you could name it id love to watch it also... reasonable force doesn't matter when your life is at risk, how are you gonna say a baton is bad but in the US guns are allowed in most states
@@l0sts0ul89 But it does matter, legally. A lot of states have a escalation of force law. If someone raises fists, immediately going for a knife, a baton, or a gun, and using them, can land you in prison, especially if the person dies. I know a lot of people will say, "Judged by 12 rather than carried by 6" and consider that reasonable force in any circumstance, but it doesn't work that way. I had a friend who tried to STOP a fist fight between two other guys get sucker punched by one of the guys friends, hit his head on the concrete, and now he has trouble talking and thinking clearly. So I understand, personally, the want to NOT let that happen to me and the WANT to draw on someone in a fist fight. But the law doesn't see it that way.
@Steven Soco in the world of spellcheck where everything you write and say is catalogued and put on display for the world to see while in a forum where you're trying to debate a subject and sound intelligent, yes, if you want to be taken seriously there is an expectation that you can at least form a sentence and have fairly good spelling considering that smartphone in your hand literally does all of the work for you.
He didn't say they didn't work. He said that the overlap between effectiveness and legality was extremely thin. To make them effective, you tend to head over into brutality territory, because you have to inflict so MUCH damage in order to get the victim to comply. I mean... is it better than nothing? Yea, absolutely. But unless you're so much more skilled than the average LEO who's deploying one, chances are by the time you're done "defending," yourself, you're going to be facing serious criminal charges and civil lawsuits.
@Pierre LeDouche Yea... Rodney King happened in 1992, about the time I went to Basic training. I'm kinda familiar with it. And you're absolutely correct, they were not using correct baton techniques. In order to successfully "subdue" an opponent with a baton.. you kinda HAVE to beat the ever loving fuck out of them, and act which usually goes beyond the limits of "proper use of force." If the opponent is on some sort of substance, be it drugs or alcohol, you generally have to cause structural damage in order to get a subdual to work. Are their supremely skilled stick fighters out there who can get the job done WITHOUT brutalizing the opponent? Sure.. but despite your assertions, fighters of that caliber are few and far between.. as evidenced by the sheer number of stories where an officer had to resort to excessive force with a baton. Again... is it better than nothing? Sure. But I think I'd prefer it to be my last ditch effort, and instead rely on OC or a taser as my first line of defense. And no offense man... but brevity??????
@@AJHart-eg1ys The problem lies in the fact that it is misused FAR more often than it's used correctly. If course batons can be used correctly. I've said it, Mike said it. But the misuse is much more prevailant.
@@the_part_time_geek That may be true. But it in no way counters the argument that a baton is a self-defense weapon. It just provides a separate argument that batons are more often than not misused.
I have a small collapsible baton that I carry on my belt. Got involved into a physical altercation with a very aggressive person that was much bigger and stringer than me. As soon as he pushed me, I pulled out my baton and he immediately backed up and left. Batons work, even when you don't need to use it. If you can carry a baton, I recommend you do
Because with the baton, you’ll either end up in jail or in an hospital. The baton is too effective to ne acceptable in court, and your aggressor will only need one blow to know he’ll be able to suit your ass down to the last penny.
Only if you are a moron using it wrong. I have sat through many assault cases in court. And I have never seen a judge condemn or force payment from a person who correctly used a baton, even if the person hit by it sustained major injury. Around where i live, most assault cases i have seen with a baton involved, the person hit by it has a broken hand, arm, jaw, or fractured skull. I have only seen one person where the judge actually approved him being sued, however he was the assailant that started the fight and it was not defense at all. The most memorable case i have seen involved 2 large men who assaulted a woman and her 14yo daughter, they came at her with knives, she broke both thier wrists that were holding the knives, shattered the kneecap on one, and broke the jaw of the other, her daughter was stabbed but did not defend herself. The attackers sued the mother for damages and the judge laughed at them, then granted the woman the option to counter sue them and set a date for that, it was approved.
@@MichaelScherer77 lol the boomer got triggered, apparently he doesn't realize you can go to any court and watch cases be resolved. Our society will do great with how many people partake in the legal system to stay informed, we are obviously in great hands for the future. (Obvious sarcasm regarding how utterly stupid and hopeless the new generations are)
Just imagine being the guy who tells you that it’s your moral obligation to be unarmed against attackers, who are most likely far more experienced in fighting than you, and probably have weapons of their own.
I don’t understand how there’s supposed to be a different between a self defense tool and a weapon especially if ur a civilian in the USA. To me they’re the same
Just my opinion but in some places in the USA if you defend yourself the law might not be on your side. So after you win RUN. In some states headbutts, knee’s and elbows are considered use of deadly force AND not self-defense techniques. Well when do you know ahead of time your assailant won't kill you if you loose ? The reason so-called dirty tactics are still around is because they work. Less than lethal weapons when they work, are very effective. When they don't they are useless. The line between self-defense and doing too much damage to be considered too much force is a thin one. And it presumes your better trained and better conditioned then your opponent.
That's why his circle for "legal" is stupid. Defending yourself using anything, including your own body can be "illegal" in many cases, because the law is bullshit. But would it be better to be killed/maimed/raped/seriously injured? Or better to defend yourself with the best possible means and then run away and hope you don't get pursued by the police if the attacker tries to make a legal complaint? That's why no one trusts the police and legal system, and having a means to protect yourself is important. And this is much less lethal and more legal than a gun or knife, and not everyone has the martial arts training to kung fu the other person, and often the attacker/agressor is stronger and bigger because thats the kind of coward that attacks others without reason.
Question for Viewers: Does the baton ever work as intended?
Yes if you are in a fight against multiple attackers and you only have a baton it's better then nothing for anything else I think it's pretty useless
This one time at Band Camp....I was attacked by Ninjas and I didn't want to mess up my trombone.....
I think stick grappling is certainly posible however I also think in a physical altercation most people will not instinctively be using it like that.
Batons are for marching band players or Watch Dog fans that wanna be like Aiden Pierce.
The Taser has definitely replaced the baton and Pepper spray as the first less lethal option on an officer's belt. I do not know of any incidents when the baton was effective BUT with today's antitrust of the police, they need to have as many less lethal options on their belt as possible before lethal force
i live in a country where you cant own a gun to defend yourself, my uncle gave me a baton because he knows i like going out at night, one night i was walking home with my mother and some dude was following us and pulled a knife on us, not a huge blade but it was still a knife, he was asking for our phones and wallets, i said sure man just calm down and instead i pulled out the baton and broke his wrist with it, the knife flew away and he ran away, my mom and me were fine and unharmed and we kept our stuff, so yes im gonna keep carrying and swearing by my useless baton
what country?
You must live in this country called California. It’s got it’s own set of ridiculous laws far outside the federal ones.
@@glennsmooth Yep i’ve heard of that horrible country , heard people crap on the sidewalks there
@@glennsmooth so do like 27 other states. Lol cali is not at all the only state that doesn't respect guns laws. And whoever allows government actors to take their God given rights away is a pussy anyway. I do what I want. I don't at all respect the idea that other humans have any authority to tell me how to live. Every man created equal. I take it pretty literally 🤷🏾♀️
You’re a Chad!
Get out of here dude, if we lose our batons we'll lose the most important tool on our belt. How am I supposed to scratch my back, with body armor on, without a baton 😂
UPDATE: I finally found another good use for a baton. A bunch of kids had a fire going in a local park, they left without snuffing the fire out. So I had to use my baton to break up the coals and douse it with water. I'm pretty much a fire fighter now. Just saying.
Someone said it
And how are you supposed to eat your donuts or grab those keys you left under the seat without a baton
@@Silver_wind_1987_ that seriously makes me concerned for the way you eat donuts.
@@R3DNECK I'm being sarcastic lmao
@@Silver_wind_1987_ hands
"This is a weapon you use when you can't control the person with your fighting skills." Precisely, dude. I'm 5'1". I'm not going to beat any man in a fight. I need to fight dirty. 😆
This video was clearly made by and for men. I’m gonna buy one
But Aiden is 6' something
It's a equalizer
Yeah of course when your 5'0 flat you need to use everything that your hand touches like bottle of beer chair a mug everything
@@Stillnotking1 good eh!!
I don’t have 8 years of police experience, but I do have 28 years of police experience. I was hired when they did not issue mace or tasers. We had a baton and a pistol (and yes a revolver is a pistol). So I learned to fight with a baton on the streets. I have ended many fights with one strike to the leg and arm for the most part. But I practice a lot with a straight baton. The side handle baton hit hard but rotates down in the hand as it spins. A straight baton is more precise. Most people have played tennis, ping pong, badminton etc and know they can hit a small moving target with a straight handle “baton”. There is no nice way to hit them so hit like you are breaking furniture and one hit will likely end the fight. The exception being someone on drugs. But a baton can break them down mechanically but hitting joints if it gets that bad. Using mace causes you to have to deal with biohazard as the suspect starts issuing spit and snot in good quantities and you still have to handle them to cuff. Most rookies I trained were like you until they saw a baton work. I carried a collapsible baton when I worked undercover. But I have not hit anyone with one so I’ll not comment on that. Tasers , batons and hand strikes- the suspect will sometimes be injured when you drop them to the ground and hit the concrete or something hard. So, I love you but you are wrong .
Seeing how much modern officers lack physical skills, and rely on their mace and tazer, it's probably for the best they don't have them anymore. Also female officers would be useless with them and you know it.
A revolver is not a pistol. A fixed chamber weapon is a pistol. A revolving chamber weapon is a revolver.
@@joshuaslate3719 The term pistol and handgun are interchangeable. That's why there's such a term as a semi auto pistol, which contrasts from a revolver or single shot pistol. And by your definition, any weapon with a fixed chamber would be a pistol, regardless of anything else. I know, you're going to complain about straw man argument with the last bit, but that's just to prove a point about the stupidity of this. A revolver is a pistol in the same way a Glock 19 is a pistol, they may function differently than each other, but they both fall under the pistol, or handgun definition. Just like how a rifle and a shotgun are exceptionally different, but both fall under the definition of a long gun.
No weapon is perfect, neither is it useless. Undercover carry them in the UK, I'm not sure whether the police still use batons here since pepper spray become prevalent. I've seen plenty videos of police over here getting into sticky situations with pepper spray precisely because most combat situations arise out of drug misuse, most crooks are sensible and don't want the huge hike in prison time cos they beat a copper to get away only to get caught eventually. I like these videos but I think there's some level of the algorithm making a more considered opinion less appealing to viewers. Nuance isn't conducive to good engagement!
Correct me if I'm wrong but you're referring to a solid baton rather than extendable right? Well he's talking specifically about extendable, and the reason these don't tend to work well is because they take longer to deploy and don't hit quite as hard.
I can attest to that latter point since I have been hit with them while stone cold sober, and when the adrenaline is rushing, you don't feel a thing from those. Therefore, you can't rely on the normal hits to disable the opponent, and have to escalate to more dangerous targets, like the head or neck.
This is where it leaves the legal part of the diagram and 9 times out of 10 heads over to the effective but not legal portion
A solid baton is a fine weapon for a police officer like you said, but ultimately that's not what he's talking about
"This is not a self defense tool, this is a weapon"
Weapon - a tool that can be used in self defense
reminds me of the argument betwen USA and Russia about anti-missle defence system :D
@@SpiritOfLion what he means with self defence tool is more of a "compliance tool"
Lol
@@bjjkickboxing7876 it really doesnt matter what he means if he doesnt say what he means
@@prismaticc_abyss it does matter as it cha ges the whole purpouse of the video
When I lived in NYC where it's difficult to own a gun I carried a baton. I protected a young kid from being assaulted by a large man. I tapped his elbow and knees until he stopped attacking the kid. It definitely worked.
How hard did you tap his elbows and knees and did he suffer permanent damage? lol
@@blaynegreiner9365 . Maybe the user wasn’t trying to permanently damage the attacker’s elbows; and knees ; the user probably wanted to tap the attacker’s elbows; and knees hard enough to send him a massage to stop with his attacking the victim.
If the user had wanted to he could have seriously damage the attacker’s elbows; and knees; or strike the attacker very hard in the neck; and most likely killing him!
The ASP baton is no toy!
I purchased a collapsible ASP baton earlier this month online; I purchased one of those collapsible ASP batons after 9/11 ; and I would practice swinging it; and hitting pieces of wood until it finally broke.
If I was to strike a thug in his neck region; or on his face; or head he might bleed to death; and that would be okay with me!
pretty sure the whole point is that that specific encounter is not too common. In fact, assault/violent encounters can and should be avoided as much as possible just by words.
Verbal Judo type-stuff.
Lol he called you out un the video, theres always someone who makes something up because they disagree.
Well you were attacking someone.. I get what your saying but that’s not self defense
Screw the baton; gimme that metal cable whip.
Adam Collins yea boy that shit dumb scary, debating getting one for my girl
@@hatimelouaqour610 if u live in a sketch area and u cant get her a concealed carry I'd say get her one seems crazy effective
I have a cut bull whip just under 1 metre. It bruise the hell out of you but would not kill you or make you lose an eye like that metal lash
Buy her a Rosie O'Donnell costume, she will never be safer
Adam Collins I wear an extra long wallet chain. Made of welded link stainless steel chain with a 3/4.” Link. Looks like a fashion accessory until I take it off and start swinging it 😄 That metal cable whip is just the next evolution of the “wallet” chain that bikers have carried for decades.😊
I have no obligation to fight fair with some idiot who wants to do me harm. I do not go around causing trouble or go looking for it, but wont fight fair if it finds me.
Tell that to the police
@ishybro ignorant comment.
@ishybro Cope and lol stop being a tough guy. You're gonna get yourself killed mun child.
@@ishybro hope you don’t end up victimized sir. If you don’t have the right to use every means available to you to defend yourself when under attack then you don’t really have any rights period.
@@NateO123 mhm, that sounds about right
Imagine your angry little friend asks you to help him with a TH-cam video and then playfully swings and twirls a baton inches from your face for 7 minutes.. 🤣
He hit me in the tooth all careless like that I'd punch him in the mouth.
@@jasonpatio8338 he was a police officer tho
@@ivanjoshuamichel1344 He's also an egomaniac but we'll gloss over that
That's all I was thinking the whole time too... he's bitching about safety and compliance and not hurting people, the whole time literal inches away from accidentally smashing his buddy's teeth in. Hypocrisy in action.
All u guys in this little comment thread r pussys lmao.
Me: Uses baton to fight everyone.
Everyone else on the Olympic relay team: 😲😕🙁😧😠
Haha whoa dude relax
@@hard2hurt I'm just kidding of course. Great video BTW 😊
You forgot to add my profile pic
@@dramaticreaper About time you arrived...
@@Johnnyjoejoe - Aw heck... I was gonna say how awesome it was to be watching the same vids as an Olympian.
"it's a thing used to hurt a person"
Yeah... That's the idea
Atleast they don't die unlike when you use a gun💀
Edge lord McGee over here
It's almost as if you didn't watch the video
I’ll say what my father always said when he whooped my ass for being a little shit and I cried about it hurting
“Well it isn’t suppose to tickle”
No shit it’s made to hurt people, it’s a physical force factor to gain compliance. Personally I hate using them, but they have their uses.
@max marrero What kinds of trouble?
I just made a 2k mile road trip each way for the holidays. I didn't carry since I was going through some restrictive liberal states, but I did have a 24" collapsible baton on me when walking the dogs or going out to the car. Someone tried to mug me in the hotel parking lot coming back. He had a pocket knife, I pulled out the baton. He ran away. Worked as intended.
Baton plus pepper spray, always when i take my dog park . if you waiting for police help or 911, you are totally dead in usa. no man s land 😢
Reciprocity is the law of the land, if you have a carry permit, it is valid throughout the country
Ah yes, because you didn't get stabbed while trying to pull out your baton and deploying it.
@@RailRoad188while I'd like that to be the case, it isn't. Some states in this country are full of morons.
@@NoName-mi8js pulling out and deploying is practically one move
Considering it’s longer than a knife and able to break bones, i get a feeling that it’s a decent wacking weapon for self defense if you don’t want to risk actually killing people like a knife could
With perfect accuracy, then yes you don't run the risk of killing somebody with a baton. However nobody has perfect accuracy, and if you accidentally strike somebody in the temple with that thing you can absolutely kill them with it.
Granted it's not as big of a risk of killing the person as a knife would be, but there's still a risk.
@@zaodedong9935 I think the baton is a nice in between a knife and a gun. Its better to have a non accurate shot with a baton than a gun and the length/distance than a knife against the opponent... atleast in the US legality on polices side never mattered too much anyway🤷♀️ If one gotta be trained on accuracy and being able to stop oneself once the targets been taken down( I had the word in my head but it escaped me) I'd take control over a baton rather than a gun. Control over a gun is def needed but it shouldn't be no1 priority in teachings to discredit the use of batons and other not-immediately-deadly weappns/tools.
@@vendettaverrone7159 I was simply talking about lethality, not effectiveness. I fully agree that a baton is effective in a self-defense situation.
@@zaodedong9935 in a self defense situation if they have a knife and are threatening you with it congrats they have revoked their right to live if they die in the scuffle they earned it
@@zaodedong9935 oh yeah I'm gunna feel so bad if the dude that attacked me for no reason dies from his injuries. Do you people even like live in reality. You must have never been in anything close to an actual altercations with another person who wants to hurt you.
The biggest thing going for the baton... is that when it is deployed, usually that's the end of it. Nobody wants to be hit with a giant metal stick lol
You don’t understand real world scenarios. Stop trying to.
@@Lorenzo_Marchetti4537 You're right, I've just carried one at work for years. No experience whatsoever. I'm glad you think so highly of yourself and that you think less of others.
Exactly it creates an obstacle between the aggressor and defender
@@Lorenzo_Marchetti4537 not sure where your other comment went big guy. You gotta give respect to get it. Don't discount the experiences of others, especially considering policing and being in the military are two totally different monsters. Just as being in a combat zone vs here in the United States.
@@chrissnoeberger192 Not sure where it went either, maybe TH-cam deleted it. I’ve given enough of myself to this country pal, two bullet wound scars and constant nightmares confirm that. Whatever experiences you faced on the streets are nothing compared to what I did, I can assure you.
The only thing this video managed to accomplish was to give me good reason to buy a baton
May I ask why
@@whatever12. funnily enough for example in New York where guns are hard to obtain, batons are legal
Legendary Force
If you (an officer) feel threatened because a perp is larger than you, that’s not a good enough reason to use force
@Legendary Force Clearly you are not a LEO. What he failed to demonstrate in the video is that even striking with the baton is ineffective. The only part on the baton worth landing a strike with is the threaded tip. When you are fighting and have adrenaline pumping, aiming that threaded tip where you want it to go on a person that is attacking you and moving is near impossible. I've seen them used in person three times and none of the times were they effective. The only time they are worth a shit is if you hit a bony (illegal) area with the threaded tip. The only "legal" areas to hit a human with a baton in a law enforcement capacity are meaty areas of the body. If you hit bony areas and break them, now you have to explain why you hit a bony area (probably because the suspect was moving) to avoid losing your job or obtaining charges. Personally, my baton has stayed in it's holster (I'm required to have it) since I've been doing my job. I'd rather use my hands and OC spray.
You have to have an expensive one to be effective. Like over $75 and up. Those will not break and are sturdy and will fold someone. The older ones in like '98 to 2003 were pure steel and extremely hard to close and open. To open you had to have good technique and super flick of the wrist. To close them you had to pound them on the damn ground.
"This is not merely a self-defense tool; this is a weapon. It's the instrument you employ to harm an individual that you're either angry or frustrated with, as you can't manage them solely through your combat skills."
Absolutely, that's precisely what a self-defense tool is. It provides individuals who lack specific combat skills (which is about 99% of the population) with an advantage over an attacker. 🙄
I know, right? I don't feel the need to engage in a fair fight with someone twice my size and strength intent on killing me.
And after that he says he's a supporter of concealed carry like what? Is that not the same thing?
Police by definition is (or should be) using lawful violence for the interest of the public. Policemen don't have to be ninjas or samurais to manage everyone through their combat skills, they just need the equipment (as in weapons) and basic training on their weapons and tactics to be able to manage anyone. With the power of numbers on their side if needed. Because it's not about them proving they are the best in combat, it's about them enforcing the law for the benefit of all of us
ok man you say that like its a bad thing besides more assaults happen with fists because someones angry and guess what you always have them unless they get cut off but.
@@acidead97a baton is not a firearm dude. When he said concealed carry he was talking about a gun.
So you're saying don't hit em with a stick, just shoot em? Interesting take.
Nice to see I'm not the only person who's see how stupid this is
@@jaymstergms3596 yeah mate i'm agree for you guys, no offense but this content is stupid really, obviously he's never been hit by Baton in the head, because I've done it to a bad guy on the street, and it's work, the person fell and was unconscious instantly.
Fun fact: law in my country is more clear about carring knife of any lenght than expendable baton
@@Petaurista13 he is a foolish man
Big mouth...
@@martysherwood8853 who?
I've been a Patrol Officer in some of the hardest areas of Southern Arizona. I have had ample opportunity to use a Baton, OC, and Taser. I have to say, the Baton can be perfectly LEGALLY effective. When someone squares up with you and you start blasting their elbow & forearm/wrist & hand areas, they tend to think twice about their previous actions...
Be alive to tell your story, instead being carried in a casket, what ever works
In cali they are completely illegal.. the justice system favors criminals here so my only options are run( family of 4) a 3 inch knife taser or tiny oc spray.... I wish we could carry a baton here. I never want to use a knife for self defence and tasers dont help you keep distance.
I haven't been a police officer, and I really don't understand the procedures. I'd prefer to ask about the "effective vs legal" problem. Don't police officers know the difference between an attacker and an ordinary person?
@@oneproudbrowncoat not really. I saw a black man on the news get shot for pulling up his pants..
Whoop
I would say that it being a weapon is precisely the reason it should be carried.
Yeah pretty much. He maybe has a point for the cops, but anyone else who gets attacked should absolutely be smacking their assailant in the head with a metal bar if they don't have a gun.
@Apple Support For Police a gun should be the very last thing they use to gain compliance. For a regular person a gun should also be the last thing on your list of priorities. Being a gun carrying advocate doesn't mean that he believes its always ok to shoot someone to death, and even if he believes that at the very least a gun is way more effective than a baton. Police carry a gun because they are tasked with entering a dangerous situation. The gun is a last resort and should be treated as such. Yes, hitting someone on the head with a baton will make them bleed out and probably die and shooting someone will probably do the same thing, but if that's the case then why carry the baton if it's just going to do the guns job less effectively and safely for the person who carries it. The issue he points is that the use cases of a baton where they are effective aren't typically legal, and the times where its legal to use the baton don't gain compliance. However, this idea may be biased given that whenever a baton is used unlawfully, videos of that scenario are sent online and get views, which would never be the case with the times batons were used legally. Besides the alternatives Hard2Hurt recommends are tactical whips, which he fully acknowledges would probably not be a good, justifiable idea for a citizen, let alone a police officer lol. But at least they were whipped into compliance instead of having their heads bleeding out.
Right? I thought this guy was being sarcastic or something. it's a very effective weapon.
the point is, in a fight a baton doesnt really hurt and doesnt make people comply, unless you hit them in the head, but if you hit someone in the head with a baton it might kill them, for a cop i dont need to explain why is dumb to use a Non-lethal weapon that only makes effect if you use lethal force with it, for a untrained civilian, using a baton most likely you will lose the baton an then get hit by it, as a trained civilian, if you have a little bit of racionality and emotion, you know that killing someone is not a good thing to do and will change your life forever so probably its not how you're gonna handle every situation.
@appIesupport yeah, break his knees, perhaps torn a ligament and maybe give them permanent damage.
if you wanna make people hurt, there is other weapons more eficient than a baton. and if you wanna make people comply, there is other tools more eficient than a baton. so why use a baton really?
I’ve seen a guy fighting 2 guys one time while I was buying groceries with my parents about 3 years ago. They were in the parking lot and the 2 guys seems to be like drug addicts that were asking for money forcefully. One of the goons was about to pull something from his pocket when the dude got his baton, extended it and hit the guy on the temple. It all happened so quick that the other guy was confused and just took off running while his friend is out cold bleeding.
Perfect, that's exactly what it should do.👍
So, only works when the "goons" are so damn slow that they take longer to pull out something than it takes for you to see him pull things out, react, pull out a baton, deploy it, and then somehow hit him in the head.
@@NoName-mi8js it takes like a second to to pull and deploy a baton at the same time. Also from what I remember the baton that the guy used might be automatic cause it didn’t look like he flicked his wrist.
@@NoName-mi8js its not hard to use, just dont be a buffoon
@NoName-mi8js No, it can actually work in different ways, too. Come on, man, not trying to be a jerk, but think about what you said. That logic of yours, which i'm being generous calling it logic, could be used for anything. So let me get this straight. A gun only works for a police officer if he happens to pull it out before the bad guy does and shoot him before the cop gets shot. Otherwise it doesn't work. Is that what the hell you're saying? I mean, what the hell are you talking about? So I guess it's better to not have a gun at all, and only the bad guy can have one. So that way, even if he is slow, pulling it out, you're gonna be shot.Regardless is that your plan? I mean, we really shouldn't fight back anyways, because it only works if we happen to be a better fighter than them. So if we're not, then we lose anyways, so there's no point of even trying or doing anything, I mean, listen, how absurd your logic is . Airplanes are only gonna work unless it crashes and kills everybody So I mean, I guess they're basically pointless.It's amazing That that's the argument you would use, even if you're against batons, and by the way, i'm not for batons, I'm not against them. But the reasons that have been given to argue against them are so illogical, a nonsensical. I don't need to carry up a time.I have a permit to carry a gun if I choose to . I pray to god.I would never have to use it. But i'm not gonna sit there and say, well, it's only gonna work unless it jams somehow because it was manufactured incorrectly, so don't even bother.Yeah, I guarantee you wouldn't think that if somebody was breaking into your home, attempting to hurt your family. Because I guarantee with an attitude like that. Most likely, I doubt you're gonna put up much of a physical defense yourself. You'd be the first one saying, honey, go see what that is
This guy: this is a weapon
Me: ok I want one even more now
pretty much
Yep
An ineffective weapon, at least in the video.
@@fadechicobuarque1989 Well I don't think that was his point. Batons *are* effective, too effective, they just fuck people up.
Would you not want to have a weapon for defense?
I'm a Muay Thai instructor (KRU) and a Balintawak practitioner (Filipino stick and knife). A baton isn't the same as a burnt Rattan, but they're interchangeable in utility. After years of live sparring with sticks and being around high level artists, I can say with 100% confidence that a well trained Martial Artist is extremely dangerous in a self-defense scenario with a Baton. It took me years to even score a significant hit on a well practiced person. I mean, common. You almost knocked out your buddies teeth by merely being careless. As far as the legality conversation goes, I'd rather be able to hash it out with my lawyer than be dead on the pavement.
If it comes to a legitimate threat to your life why wouldn't you simply use a gun then? Far more effective than a stick. Lots of places a baton is looked at as the same level of force as a firearm. So even that argument depending on the area doesn't really pan out.
Yeah but he's not talking about well experienced martial artists. He's talking about everyday common people using a baton for self defense. The point of self defense is defending your life in the most efficient and effective way possible. A common person is going to be way more of both of those if using a gun, over a baton, bar none. In your effective way possible. A common person is going to be way more of both of those if using a gun, over a baton, bar none. In your scenario, if an experienced martial artist were to use said baton, in a court of law that might be misconstrued as being more assault with intent to kill than self defense, which makes a huge difference. It's viewed as, well if you hit this person here in X place or you hit them X amount of times then you intended on hurting that subject rather than just defending yourself. If you shoot a subject in the chest twice while he's coming at you, then at least here in the state of texas, that's known as standing your ground. Not to mention that if you hurt someone, even someone that attacked you, that person can come back and sue the shit out of you. Self defense is about way more than just being good at fighting. It's about knowing what to do and what not to do in a given situation, and knowing how the laws in your state work.
this dude is literally just click baiting people now cause his content sucks balls. he goes on about how useless it is and at 3:35 he states that a danger could be that the attacker will disarm you and use it against you.. quite literally shot himself in the foot and then put foot in his own mouth. that must be the dumbest self own ever
@@1911GreaterThanALL Guns can miss, hit unintended targets. Batons, sticks, knives don't miss. I would rather a baton than a gun.
Guns require distance and not effective in close range. Guns are good but knowing range and something to use for up close is also good.
Most fights, start in close range.
@@stanknight9159 If you literally put the muzzle onto a threat and pull the trigger the threat goes away or is highly dissuaded.
You can miss with anything. You can swing and miss a baseball you can swing and miss a person.
A firearm poses the risk of being taken from you and used against you just like a baton or whatever.
However a firearm is the best tool in terms of force.
The only problem with having a baton is not having another baton for dual weilded maximum beat down capacity.
Michael Stythax that’s stupid, you have to duct tape duel wielding batons to your duel wielding batons for maximum force
And to totally maximize it, duck tape a pair on each foot, now your round house kicks will have extended reach!
SageAir13 Now we need extended baton armor
@@anxiousclan176 Lord of bones type armour of batons, and with enough duck tape and batons we could also make a baton dragon to ride into da streetz
Michael Stythax An expandable baton dragon, what about A Baton princess
i used one against an pitbull ... he latched on my leg and hit him 2 times on the head . i cracked the pitbull skull and left it bleeding on the road his brains visible ... it saved my leg.
Cap.
uh huh
This is not a tool, this is a weapon....yeah, THAT'S WHY I'm carrying it.
This dudes weird. Batons are great weapons. It would be great for dog defence too instead of a walking stick or mace.
@@St.FighterZ It's good against dogs, but only use it against people if you are very proficient with it, otherwise if your opponent is even somewhat skilled in CQC, then if you swing the baton around then he is going to kick your ass.
I found out that it's best to use a telescopic baton as a STABBING weapon, not as a swinging/impact weapon.
It's tip is blunt so there is little chance of it causing severe injury that could lead to death, and trust me when I say it....IT fucking hurts like hell when you are stabbed in the stomach with it.
Yeah your right
Sir,
What's the name of this tool. And from where i can buy this?
Please tell me
@@abdullahalmehedi5758 They are illegal in some countries. Check out your local laws before trying to buy one.
I was wondering how he was going to explain how a metal piece of steel that can break bones and crack skulls somehow isn't a good thing to defend yourself with....yeah I'm still using the baton to turn my attacker's face into a golf divet.
I'd rather have it on me than my pocket knife if someone attacks me
Because you could kill your attacker. If you use a laser you can just blind him and he becomes harmless.
@@-dale2051 ok and? If someone attacks me, sorry you might get killed. A laser is going to be be super unreliable, way less reliable and smacking someone in the head with a steel rod.
@@rlanger3108 but then you're going to prison
@@-dale2051 Not in the U.S, self-defense kills usually hold up in court.
Isn’t a self defense tool something to hurt the person?
Technically yes. Any tool is for self defense but everyone just ouright uses to smack people.
NO
What kind of self defense do you practice? The gentle kind?
@@mindsstalker If the tool isn't a shield or not being there, must be a weapon. If weapon, designed to hurt/kill people.
No, defence is the shields (or body armour for example) primary purpose to protect against incoming attacks. The sword or mace(in this case baton because let's face it baton and mace are just fancy words for fancy clubs) are for offence delivering damage to incapacitate or kill an enemy. Yes either or can be used for their oppisite intentions from which they were intended. but it's the primary purpose either was made for that should classify it as either a defencive tool or an offencive tool after all that is what it will be best at. Clubs, guns ,tazers swords, knifes, pepper spray these are all personal offence tool or "weapons". Understand Offence or the threat of it is also in its self a form of defence because it can discourage potential assailants from attempting to attack. And when attacked it may be nessasarry to meet the incoming attack and retaliate to it in order to insure your continuing personal safety which is what everyone is really talking about when they talk about "self defence" really it's a conversation about "personal safety" and what levels of "offencive measures" and "defence messures" are warranted to maintain it.
It seems crazy to me that using something as low key as a Baton for a legit, true self defense situation could be considered illegal. If we are allowed to use something as straight up lethal as a gun for self defense, then why on earth would a Baton not be considered so?
If someone is straight up attacking or robbing you, you should be allowed to use whatever the hell is nearby to defend yourself. It's either you or them in that situation. Sometimes the law is completely illogical I swear...
You should literally be allowed to carry any device with lower lethality than a gun anywhere, of course concealed if it's a blade but they shouldn't have any legislation on weapons of lower tier than firearms
My baton has been an effective deterrent. During the lockdown my girl and I were feeding stray dogs at night. Three guys in a car saw her went few meters ahead and stopped. I got out my baton and stood near her. They got out of the car, saw me with the baton and sat back in. I think a good self defense weapon is one which you don't have to use
...but can be used if necessary.
Your mistake was feeding the worthless stray dogs. They didn't defend you.
A nunchaku can intimidate a lot more
But it's a lot harder to learn how to use it properly
If they are there to murk you they would most certainly carry a gun and a baton ain’t going to deter them. I’d rather have a gun in those scenario.
@@Magodaparty try showing off them Nun chuck moves and you’ll end up walking yourself 😂😂
I live in the UK and recently had someone trying to attack me with a knife lucky enough I had my telescopic baton with me me as soon as I pulled it out he ran away so for me it did it's job well by preventing something serious happened!!
I was thinking about buying one for this exact reason. Can you link me the one you have and also is it legal to carry?
Pierre LeDouche I live in uk so it’s probably illegal but there’s too many violent hungry people Walking around with knifes now to risk it
Can I ask what job you do in the UK?
@@mrsentencename7334 search ExB-18hs
Most durable and legal
Telescopic batons are classed as offensive weapons in the UK and thus illegal to carry.
My friend used one to protect herself from a guy who assaulted her. After she was pushed to the ground, she pulled it out & hit the guy across the knee, that gave her a chance to get away.
Metro Sidearm where’d she have it? Her purse or?
Sounds like bullshit
Frank Taylor sounds easily possible tho, it gives the user a way to cause more damage to defend themselves better. Yes it can be taken away, so can a knife and gun albeit not as easily.
The reason we're calling bullshit is You need some good leverage to expand it. When you're wrestled on the ground is not easily opened. And we know from experience using this. And this is probably why op hasn't replied cause they know it's bullshit as most of us with a go-go-good brain call bullshit
@@ericsalidbar1693 they said pushed to the ground, not wrestled on the ground. If someone pushes you onto the ground and stands over you, I’m sure you could pull out a baton and whack someone on the knee with it.
As a woman driving across Canada alone with a uhaul trailer full of stuff and who doesn't own a gun, I felt safer with that exact baton under the seat of my car as I slept in my car during my travels. I feel in my case, it would be self defense against a person trying to break into my car and get at me.
That is actually probably the worse situation to try and use one in my opinion. It requires a large swing to be at all effective. You are not going to be able to swing it enough while inside the car to have an effect.
@@cgsec2275she might get dragged out of the car. Besides, being alone in some dark highway trying to sleep, I would feel more comfortable with anything in my hand than nothing. I rather have 20 inches of steel than nothing.
Batons don't work.
*Swings lightly at partner*
Partner: Backs away to avoid
I could swing a small tree branch at a guy and he'd flinch. It's this thing called a reflex.
@@brandonkey181 yeah well the baton is easier to carry than the branch so...
Exactly
@@brandonkey181 Here's a question....WHY is it a reflex?
@@GenesisXTRM because fast moving objects are dangerous
Oh I thought he was going to say it’s not effective...
Now I’m definitely buying one.
Where i can bye one
@@destro25official77 on his website.
@@destro25official77 there is this European website that sells the best quality ones. If you look up best quality batons on TH-cam there should be a link in one of those videos.
I got One
DESTRO 25 Official eBay
"Its a weapon that you hurt people with"
Thats the whole point of self defence, hurt the guy that wants to hurt you.
@Molly Bason when i said hurt the guy that wants to hurt you
I meant stop him from hurting you.
You can stop him by inflicting pain.
He doesn't understand that, he's rather think he's the end all be all on topics like this because he's a former cop. What a joke of an officer.
@Molly Bason no, self defense isn't "removing yourself from a dangerous situation"
That's called fleeing.
Self-defense is literally about winning a fight, are you incompetent?
@Molly Bason if you avoid conflict then you don't need self defense. Self defense is the act of physically stopping the threat. Removing yourself from the situation is safer but it isn't always an option.
@Molly Bason you can't defend yourself from something that isn't attacking you. again fleeing and self-defense are two different things if you flee you don't have to defend If you defend that means you didn't flee or were unable to. Dude come on it's pretty simple any lawyer or officer or martial artist or MMA fighter or anyone that knows a hint about what self-defense actually is could tell you that
This guys a good example of experienced and educated people still not knowing what theyre talking about. Ive seen batons break BRICKS and my tiny 14 inch baton breaks apart tree trunks like theyre watermelon. These can kill with one hit to the head and will easily break bones. A very good defense tool indeed.
Red circle: Useful. Yes, it can kill you if hits head or neck.
Blue circle: Legal. Not so useful.
Ah, another dumbass that goes "Oh, why don't you just get hit by one, then?"
LMAO.
Not only did you complete fail to watch the video or understand it, you literally said the thing being called out.
tell me you missed the whole point of a video, without telling me you missed the whole point of a video. Congratulations on being "That guy"
But that’s exactly the point, it can definitely kill but if you’re a cop and in a deadly force encounter, you should go for your gun. The thing about being an LEO is that policy will dictate where and when you can hit with a baton. That’s usually it’s when a subject is assault is combative. And you can only hit primary and secondary zones. Primary being center mass or the meaty parts of the arms and legs; quads, hamstrings, calves, biceps, and triceps. Secondary being the bones parts of the arms and legs; knees, elbow, wrists, and shoulders but must be justified in the use of force spectrum. The head, neck, spine, groin and chest are completely off limits unless you’re involved in a deadly force encounter. But if an assaultive subject escalates to deadly force by pulling a knife or a gun out, you can’t rely on the baton to end the threat. You will most likely be going for your gun too. If the subject is assaultive, by following policy and only targeting the authorized primary locations, your strikes may be ineffective. If you strike secondary zones you will be more effective and possibly legal but risk hitting the red zones and using deadly force when it’s not needed and getting fired/arrested after the fact. If the baton is all you have, you are most likely in SOL. Now imagine the subject manages to grab it and take it from you and use it against you, since they are untrained and not subjected to rules, they will strike your head, neck, or ribs and put you into a deadly force encounter. In that case you better have a gun.
Agreed
Sorry dude. Its the closest thing we have to feeling like a Jedi in a fight, and its force is strong.
Fuck ya party on
should make a pig skewer with it
I wish it has a tazer on the end so you could feel like a magnaguard
I TOUGHT THE SAME THING
Ya but it's to short to use the superior fighting style: Form 2, Makashi
Better than nothing. Would prefer this in my hand against a edged weapon or another blunt object if I did not have a firearm.
Agree. This is what you use against another weapon.
Definitely I have one
And in some situations a weapon like this is the only practical legal alternative to being unarmed
Ryde_JA Agree 100%. If you had to fight someone with a knife empty hand, your getting jacked up no matter what, if you have a baton, your in pretty good shap
@@Mikesullin You're getting jacked when equipped a baton too, unless it's a shitty stupid duel. Don't get into duels.
People will rarely back down when hit with a baton (as opposed, say, getting faceful of pepper spray) and it's as hard to keep distance or strike effectively with one of these as unarmed. And the weapon locks an untrained user into dangerous swings which open you to knife stabs everywhere if the attacker just takes a hit. It's the equivalent of wild haymakers.
Although not used as a weapon in this case, the baton has successfully been used countless times by officers and civilians alike to bust out car windows saving trapped or unconscious victims. Not to mention the baton's use of "extracting" non-compliant suspects from their cars.
I myself have used a baton to successfully defend against wild dogs attacking me while trail running. You wont see me giving mine up any time soon.
why? isn't it easier to just break a window with the grip of your gun? the baton is simply not practical for those use cases
@@ManifestingADream and risk a misfire? No fuckin way
@@supahcomix your're right, it might be easier to just fire a round through the window instead. good thinking
@@ManifestingADream your name has to take the cake for the most ironic i've ever seen on the internet
@@ManifestingADream These days some baton comes with a tip that embeded with a carbide glass breaker. A small life tip: hit the glass at the higher corner when you are trying to break car window.
An expandible baton is a great compact tool to have on a walk, stroll through the park or hike in the wilderness in case of an animal or dog attack. I rarely have used it, but the few times I have, it prevented aggressive dogs from being able to harm myself or loved ones.
Batons are the step between nonlethal force and using guns. I approve
Taser.
@@tonyperez4713 Soft hands, Hard hands, Chemical, Taser, Baton, Firearm.
Taser is generally less-lethal than a baton, but Taser is better than nothing, and better than hitting or killing someone... but it's best to have a baton in between that gun and taser.
Would you rather just shoot someone dead OR hit them twice with a baton and live? ... One is minor injury, the other is they are killed by you. Think hard.
@@aandyherr817 a taser can actually cause cardiac arrest and people with pacemakers will die from tasers. Most security guards aren’t allowed to carry tasers because of that.
@@FormallyKoki This is a lie people use to try and help criminals out. This isn't how they work
@Koki also I'm a security guard and we have less restrictions than police do. Police don't really carry them anymore and it's because they are usually ineffective and we are in the midst of a Fentanyl epidemic
As someone who has worked as security guard who's only means of self defense was a baton I will say this. 1 on one occasion I successfully defended myself against a tire iron. 2 there were many times I stopped an attack just by pulling the thing. Sure they kept on talking tough but they did it while backing up.
I am a night club bouncer 7 yrs, and I’ve successfully used my baton on numerous occasions to deter silly drunks, and Also successfully defended myself as well as others by physically using it…
Yeah. Idk if he just has an issue with cops or what but I have no idea how someone’s gonna say that a long metal stick s not a good weapon. Range and force. That’s like saying a bat isnt a good weapon. Ummmm yes tf it is
1:16 “never seen the baton work as intended” cuts to a small child 😂😂😂
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I was expecting the kid to jump up and start going midevil on a teddy bear with one
@ I once picked up a headboard from a bed and used it to stop a guy from beating my partner with a metal spatula. That doesn't mean it would be smart to start carring around furniture.
These batons work on a situation that is to protect yourself from a knife assault, guns can work in that situation but can possibly hit someone else in the crossfire.
But of course weapons are weapons, in some hands it would go fatally injure or kill someone like what he stated.
That is how weapons are though, a way to get an advantage on a fight and consequences will always exist.
Weapons like that can be restricted on some ranks or places where irrational and low iq people tend to do violence like the guy he exampled.
It is debatable though, I’m not straight up cancel culture him or even you. Just hearing rational opinions out and sharing my opinions about this topic.
@@hard2hurt Of course not, headboards are far too large to be practical for EDC.
A baton, on the other hand...
"these are not a self defense tool, these are a weapon"
Bro that's the same thing. You defend yourself using weapons when you are outmatched.
Word for word
I can see a number of pros to using this weapon, even though I never have myself:
-Easily carried, portable, light
-Threatening sound and movement when deployed. Sometimes that's enough to deter an attacker.
-Has a nasty reputation. Yeah, it can be used to really wreck someone. It can be scary. Even if technically proven a bad weapon.
-Longer range than a knife and less risk of lethal injury on the target.
-As other have stated, if aimed properly it can be an ideal disarming weapon. If it breaks a wrist it may even disable a threat completely, giving you time to call 911 or run away.
-If someone is charging at you, a sidestep followed by a sharp blow to the leg can cripple your attacker, making them regret their choices, without risk of lethal injury.
-Other uses aside from as a weapon. Can break glass or snap a tree branch.
-Can fend off a dog or wild animal. Getting a bladed weapon stuck in one might result in you getting bit, which is really bad if they are rabid.
-Probably faster to deploy than pepperspray or a tazer, though either have their advantages over a baton.
-Can potentially knock out an opponent, though IRL its not like in movies and may result in severe permanent injury. Though that is acceptable in some mugging or house defense scenarios.
Probably not something to use against a simply aggressive/unruly/drunk person and I agree on the bit about cops abusing it. I can seriously f**k someone up, send people to the hospital and incur lawsuits, whereas mace/tazers won't. But against an _armed_ opponent it seems like a weapon of choice. Fast, threatening, effective, reaching, disabling and disarming.
like i say, half of self defense is presentation, if you can present yourself in a way that shows potential aggressors that you aren't someone to fuck around with, it will dissuade any assaults/muggings. whipping out a baton is one such way of doing that by showing you have a weapon and are willing to use it, but avoiding the potential pitfalls that pulling a gun might have (for example if you are in a crowded situation where bringing a gun into that situation could lead to collateral damage, or might not actually be allowed either socially or legally)
@@DaHuntsman1 not to mention that drawing a gun means you could get popped by another good guy with a gun who misidentifies YOU as the threat.
Y’all are taking the words right out of my mouth. It’s the truth.
Yeah, I think I agree with all the comments and not this guy, on this one. I have been researching the collapsible baton because I have been taking kick boxing and stick fighting classes for about a year and a half, and am getting reasonably good with the Kali sticks that I would likely be able to defend against someone who had a knife. I will never be good enough with a knife to defend against a knife-and it looks like nobody really is. I figure a collapsible baton should be a decent stand-in for a kali stick. :)
@@graveyj2000 And don't discount the kali stick if you have nothing else left lol. Getting smashed by one of those HURTS. Not as much as a baton, but still.
Law enforcement "use of force" is a lot more complex than just "self-defense" alone...sometimes batons are an appropriate tool.
Yeah sometimes you gotta assault civilians like the cunts you are.
Filipono police and army are taught various locks(on legs, arms, etc) with sticks (which can be applied to baton).
@@cleiand5868valid
They could actually prevent more deaths if they used them more
This bald dwarf do not know what he is talking about, law enforcement in Europe always carry baton and use is pretty often, some can only carry batons so thats the only weapon i am allowed to use.
I’ve been in law-enforcement for 15 years, and Baton worked great for me. Made for a great back scratcher, picking up snakes or moving nasty things I don’t wanna touch. Oh I was supposed to hit people with it, yeah never happen.
You should come to West Baltimore then.
That’s actually kinda useful sounding though
Good reply.
But I have to ask you honestly, as you are the professional in confrontations by likely sheer number of experience.
_If_ a baton is weapon where it is clearly not for self defensive, and is dangerously offensive on many levels from legality, concealment, and assault charge more likely because one is using said offensive weapon....
Does this not make it the ultimate deterant?
Did you have to draw it ever, or had you felt it did have some deterant factor for compliance?
I realize of course one should not carry anything they are not willing to use, and applied to carrying an offensive weapon, that is an issue.
But still, isn't there a 'fear of the bâton' that it does work for a deterant of action?
If you had to reach for a weapon, (assuming the other is unarmed) would it not be better to shift policing away from deadly force of a gun to choosing an effective offensive weapon?
('Charline horses', break a hand finger, or forearm.)
Would this not be better than straight to the Colt, for death avoidance?
@@thethree60five from my experience and being around other law enforcement officers from around the country, baton does not deter people. Also if it reached a point where I had to draw and use a firearm the time to wound the person has past.
@@jsocks1984
Thanks for the reply.
I appreciate that. I am honestly curious and you seem to be the right person to ask.
That's the point I was trying to get at as well, at what point could they be used, or as you said, it has already escalated past that.
British Police where they don't carry guns and there isn't as much 'gun culture' or gun violent clashes with police, seem to use it as a deterrent. Totally different situation of course, I am just a little surprised that it isn't seen as more of a deterrent.
So in your opinion should officers or all officers be given them?
What _is_ the point then, in the training/carry ?
Reality check: You're not going to worry about the law while someone is stabbing you. That's just not going to happen. The wrestler Bruiser Brody and UFC fighter Maiquel Falcao were both stabbed to death, even though they had exceptional fighting ability, and that's because there's no martial art that offers solid, reliable knife defense. I don't care what martial art you do, I don't care if you're a black belt or not, if you're up against a knife, you are at a severe disadvantage. Even the U.S. military teach you to run away from a knife attacker. A flashlight and baton combo are most definitely reliable tools for self-protection if a gun isn't an option.
This. I train is Muay Thai and Kali. My kali instructor straight up says to run if you see a knife. And if you can't run, or you have your family / children with you you need to protect, then have something on you, like a firearm (if legal in your area), mace, flashlight, baton, or something, to try and defend yourself you. BUT, know that you're going to get cut either way and perhaps die.
Anything you can use to fend off an attacker is a self defense tool.
What about when they're not attacking?
The Hessian he literally says the exact words, this is not an effective self defense tool
Oh ok, with that logic a grenade is a self defence tool then yeah, it’ll certainly stop someone from attacking you
@@chikenmorris7170 I spent years in armed security. The Baton acted between my pepper spray and pistol.
By the time you reach for a baton, your only other option is putting a .40 JHP in someone's face.
I'd prefer to have that option. The Baton is good for creating distance between you and an attacker. It's a reliable way to take someone down, without executing them, in close quarters. I don't know about police work, but it's great for security.
Whereas a firearm is "deadly force", a baton is only "deadly force" if used on the head, face or neck. Anywhere else and it's much easier to justify.
The difference here is that for police as an example, they aren't trying to fend them off....... they are trying to subdue the suspect (and usually) arrest them.
STOP BEATING UP YOUR FRIEND WITH THE BATON 😂
I busted him all up with it. Some of it got cut out haha.
It's fair. His bud got even with that cable whip.
Maybe he needed some suppression lol
@gregtubez so he was a standard patrol officer for 8 years and his experience is most likely the initial training and annual in service training, and nothing really further than that in regard to departmental training?
So it does work.
As a 32 year cop (20 on SWAT & as the department DT Instructor) I have to say that it's a training issue.
A suspect can pose one of 5 levels and you can only use the baton on someone that is level #4.
First level is Cooperative (no force is allowed at all)
#2 is Passive Resistor
#3 is Active Resistor
#4 is Combative/Assaultive
#5 is a Deadly Threat
Next problem is that baton companies want you to use the baton on "Green" zones (which happen to be areas heavily muscled such as the "Buttocks") which cause pain but really dont stop a serious threat. Red zones such as the Head or Spine can cause serious injury or death should only be struck when the suspect poses a Deadly Threat (In which case you shouldn't be even trying to use your baton unless it's the only thing you have).
I teach the baton as a Long Range Weapon, and should be used against the "Closest Target" which is usually the Suspects lead leg or fist. You smack his knee or hand and it almost ALWAYS works. But those are usually "Yellow" targets and can cause injury (broken bones in the hand etc).
I've had to use the baton many times and it never failed me. I can say that several officers.have complained to me.thst the baton doesn't work and that they wont use it because it's ineffective. I then say "Oh Yeah? Let me hit you with one shot". No one has ever taken me up on it.
Knowledge and skill is power.
Your comment was more informative than this guys whole video.
Thanks for that info. I have a suspicion that this youtubers police career was not in an urban area. And I dislike his mock "open-mindednes"
This ^^^^^^^
Wow...it's amazing what happens when someone uses there brain. Good thing you did.
spanking tactic noted.
Retired cop here..I carried several different kinds of collapsible batons for 27 years..the only time I ever used them was in my patrol car to reach over and adjust the air vents on the passenger side.
I'm gonna be honest, I thought you're actually supposed to use it that way. If someone attacked me, i would pull out a "defense tool" and beat them relentlessly until they either fell unconscious or gave up. I figure it's still better that stabbing them or something
I like push daggers for street fights , never had to use them but with certain types of push daggers it would be impossible to disarm you , and if youre up against 5 thugs , if you stick one or two the fights over
Agree. The most effective self defense is a couter-strike. Like what the hell am i supposed to do? Deflect punches until they give up?
@Coni Glione youre naive. Choosing to be unprepared is fine , but in real life people doe if theyre unprepared
Coni Glione Well, people attack other people all the time for no reason. You haven’t given a iota of evidence that it doesn’t happened, and I’ve personally seen it happen, so. 🤷♂️
@Coni Glione how about chicago , pretty much a warzone people die every night
Meanwhile in Hong Kong, the "Legal" circle and the "effective" circle overlaps perfectly.....
It appears like If its effective its legal over there
And in Russian
Gabriel Chan hk police cut up a girl and threw her in the bay
I don’t want things that are “legal” in Hong Kong to be legal in America. There is a cultural aspect as well Americans relationships with and feelings towards law enforcement is different from almost every in the world and the baton is most effective as psychological deterrent.
@GazB85 www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/society/article/3033079/new-campus-security-camera-clips-released-showing-movements
“And I will demonstrate why” zooms into a baby
😂😂
@Darth Malgus toll paid
Never Forget I Am The Fastest Man Alive!
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And I am the most powerful beeing in this universe!
@@drdoom5516 and I am the most angry being in existance
I have had four occasions where the baton works great. Never had a moment where the baton failed. You have to understand: a great martial artist can make any item work. It's not up to the 'weapon' itself. It's up to the person.
so your a poet that needs to cary a self defense baton and have been in 4 situations where it worked as intended? what did someone not give you the right change and you beat them half to death and got it corrected?
@@xati5135 What a weirdo you are. Women, feminine people and minorities get attacked all the time, whether you believe us or not. You’re probably the kind of person who’d pointlessly attack too. You did with your comment, after all.
Ah, yes, four occasions where you either unlawfully assaulted someone with it, or used it as a drying rack.
I'm sorry that the internet is full of such shitty people. I would also like to hear, however the stories of what happened. The more we know the better informed we are and the better prepared we are.
@@NoName-mi8js Nonsense. Drying clothing is what the Peleton is for!
This video single-handedly sparked more sales in expandable batons than any other advertisement ever.
And hasn't yielded any evidence of the baton's usefulness...
@@hard2hurt theres literally stories in the comments at this point of people successfully defending themselves with a baton. Your a joke if you need some statistic to tell you large heavy weapon is good for defense and offense. Have you ever seen a fight. People like to pick up stuff and swing it at the person, and it usually pretty effective. Oh but excuse me oh great wise one only you can say if they work or not. Waste of human.
@@tangerinetech5300 saltminer42 has spoken
That's true on my account at least if anything this vid convinced me to buy one.......... Or is that what he wanted
@@tangerinetech5300 like me was a security guard for bars and had real street fights with gangs I have stories about effectively defending against guns, batons, knifes and glass bottles. Using boxing, Jeet kune do and wing chun techniques, karate techniques and jiu jitsu and especially krav maga techniques which actually uses alot of things from all of the above.
This prat and his friend have proven nothing like I said in my own long comments to him he should get his friend to hit him full force or hit himself full force or hell he should pick a legit fight with an actual police officer armed with a baton see how effective it is in real combat when your actually been properly hit, or choked or jabbed in the eyes, neck with it. These fake TH-cam fighters and mcdojos can talk all the shit they want until they are been literally smacked to death with it and the person's actually trying to hurt you. What made me laugh too was he was doing proper techniques or using to do grappels but the way he was doing them in an effective self defense way was completely off and clearly uneducated. He was not showing what you have to do once you have them in a choke lock or arm lock with it using it as leverage to push the arm down and takedown with then following that through with hits to face, stomach and head proper self defense you wanna do with a baton not do the shit he does it this crap video. Trying to say batons don't work is like saying a hook punch, finger jab to the throat or elbow strike to the face or kick to the shin or head or ribs or even arm lock and arm bar or bo staff or sword don't work absolute bullshit artist. Should stick to their little dojo sparing and point system competition fighting with their rules and legalized fighting with a ring and referee and crowds to cheer and boo them instead of making fake claims about weapons developed for self defense and has been used for decades by police and military. Stupid to even make such a claim. Especially when they are challenging people to call them out on it I did that and so many actual police officers, security guards, military and self defense martial artist have all throughout the comment section complete bull shitters. They should try underground bare knuckle like I've done it's barely any rules and it's illegal see if they last then, Soon learn which martial arts and which self defense techniques and weapons works then. Or go train to with military or police I had police and army cadets training with me in both my Jeet kune do and krav maga dojos because those are effective martial arts. all these MMA fighters forget Bruce Lee created the first MMA fighting style. Also karate, wing Chun, Kung Fu and alot of traditional martial arts are literally copied from to create their modern Martial arts.
LET ME TELL YOU having worked in prison for 30 yrs I've used pepper spray knee knockers side handle batons, this expandable baton has saved many officers from an inmate with a shank and OH YA I CARRY ONE DAILY. SO WHY ONLY 8 YRS
I absolutely agree. I've been a cop for 40+ years. Retired but still work special duty assignments. I started with a 23" wood baton. I loved it. The baton is not a "beat into submission" weapon. It is used in addition to other self defense strategies. Create distance, intimidation, holds and take-downs. On duty my last 20 years I carried an ASP 19" steel collapsible. Thank you Bigwood 360 for your service. (I have to ask, is "Bigwood" have some special meaning??)
@@danbeck6654 Retired Sgt, the white inmates were considered woods or peckerwoods, I was knick named BIG WOOD by the other races so it just stuck and I had no problem with it
I had to chuckle. I figured there was a story behind the name. Thanks again for your service.
@@danbeck6654 You to brother 👍👍
I retractable staff would be far more effective for self defensive and deescalation. Learn to be better than out dated shit traditions
If you look at historical weapons, almost every melee weapon is characterised as basically being a kin to a big stick; usually pointy at the end, but not always (maces, quarterstaffs). A stick can be used to deflect incoming strikes, much better than using your hands if defending against other melee weapons, and it also provides a reach advantage compared to fists. A baton seems a pretty reasonable extension of ones abilities, a power multiplier.
I was thinking the same. Force multiplier. Plus it technically isn’t lethal compared to a gun. Is it as effective as a gun? No.
Exactly. The whole point of melee weapons is to enhance what you already have. Yeah, you can lock someone without a baton, if you know the technique. Add a baton and you’re now twice as capable of disabling the threat. If using a non lethal melee weapon doesn’t up your game, you’re shit at martial arts to begin with.
I'm so happy I bought one
Brandon most common was probably a quarter staff, spear, or axe. Def spear was very common. Maces not so much since their greatest use was against full plate (typical fantasy knight armor), and a commoner wasn’t likely to come up against a warrior who could afford full plate. As for swords, well crafted ones, such as the Norse Ulfbert, were indeed very pricy, but I believe you could get a kind of shitty one for a decent price. Not everyone walked around with swords, but they were easily one of the most popular weapons for self defense - if you were going to be traveling or something, you might bring a sword with for protection.
If someone pulls a knife it can be used to attack the hand or arm.
Of course this’s coming from a normal sized dude. When you’re a 5”1 female and a big dude is squaring up… yeah I’m gonna do whatever I can to increase the damage I can do. It’s not a fair fight otherwise.
"You're not going to use this to joint lock a person you weren't going to be able to joint lock without it."
Give this man the Correct Award.
I think that is an important point that people cant really grasp usually when it comes to this stuff.
Yeah this is wrong, I've personally seen it done many times, it just has to be performed right
Give this man the bullshit award.
@bfk4lif yes many times, my dad's a baton instructor for the police department he works for and I've watched many classes
@bfk4lif I don't have any videos of him on duty but I think he teaches a class not this Thursday but next Thursday I can probably video some of the sparring footage
If someone comes at me I’ll use whatever I need to in order to defend myself.
@Coni Glione
Truly you are a master wordsmith. Your intellectualism is an inspiration to us all.
@Coni Glione don't challenge people boi. Even normal people can become violent and all defensive if they feel like their life is in threat.
It's better than bare hands, certainly. My question is, is there a better alternative. This guy hasn't presented one, not in this video anyway.
Yeah japaneses know that
And go to jail dumbass
Arguing with you:
1) One of the best ways to take someone out of the fight is blunt force trauma to the head. (Matt Thornton: Straight Blast Gym, possibly misquoted)
2) If a guy has a knife, a stick is a great way to keep the distance and knock it from his hands.. you don't need to be trained in Kali to do this..it's natural
3) Defending yourself with a stick is rather Milquetoast for a judge/Jury.. They see HORRIBLE things in court.. and a few bruises on an illegal attacker is sort of...meh..to a judge.
4) Context and cameras.. If you're lawful, it will show.
5) Better to survive and go to court, than to think "I wish I'd had anything in my hands at all) while you bleed out
6) Knives are nasty. Chains are the tools of criminals. (see 3 above)
Thanks tho. We disagree. Wish you the best.
Chains ? Im a complete novice in a fight situation but I think a baton would be advantageous over a chain because of the quicker recovery reaction 2nd and 3rd striking ability. Chain having a longer reach than baton but longer reactive 2nd strike ability?
If someone comes at you with a knife fucking ventilate them lol
what do you do when a friend, family member, or random drunk starts swingin at ya tho?
Blunt force trauma to the head is the quickest way to end up in jail for manslaughter. Seriously, look up the guys that accidentally killed people just by punching them once. You go for the elbows, thighs, shoulders and the like.
@@denimnoir6163 And in walks the teenager who thinks he knows better because he reads news articles. Gg.
I'm 70 years old and can't carry a gun so a baton is the next best item to have in case of being attacked.
I can’t wait for the video: “Why guns are ineffective for self defense.” 😅
I must be misunderstanding something here about why being able to defend yourself is a bad thing. Someone attacks you, you don't want to be hurt = defend your self. That's where it ends doesn't it? Is everyone supposed to know how to defend themselves with their hands alone, what if an attacker has a knife? It's all about what-ifs at the end of the day and I'd like to minimise my chances of getting hurt if someone wanted to attack me and I don't believe people should be judged by which means they manage to do it.
Probably in there somewhere. Got suggested several of this guys videos in a row by the algorithm and all of them have been garbage.
@@brendanforde5078 You said he should start a fight with a police officer. He was a police officer.
@@combatsportlover6919 congratulations you have reached the bottom of the barrel
@@neroricci8053 By pointing out a fact.
If you are attacked by a guy who has a knife, THE BATON MAY PROBABLY save your life.
Don’t be stupid...
That's what guns are for.
Bohemond I of Antioch What happens if you’re in NY? SoCal? Gun free zone?
@@jth_printed_designs what happens is you discover just how stupid you are as a citizen for being somewhere where the government does it's best to keep its Citizens from being able to defend themselves.
@@theteddy1487 wtf is this reply
@@reepat9820 he asked what happened if you're somewhere that massively restricts your second amendment rights implying a situation where you can't have a gun or legally use it effectively. By living somewhere with a high crime rate and laws that prevent the average person from being able to properly defend themselves you screw yourself over.
The dude's initial statement literally explained why it is a self defense weapon. LOL
Was thinking the same thing. Baffling video
I carried one of those as an MP in the early 2000's. The only time I had to use it was when I had a really drunk guy being belligerent and trying to take my sidearm out of my holster while I was trying to detain him. It was a retention holster, so the chances of a guy that inebriated actually getting the firearm free were pretty low, but I wasn't willing to take the chance. He got a fractured elbow. I honestly missed my mark... I was aiming for his upper arm, but he flinched when he saw it coming and pulled his arm up, so he got a trip to the hospital before he was taken to the base detention facility until his 1SG could come get him. I got recommended for an award for taking a guy off the road that was well past 2x the legal limit for drunk driving, and he got his arm in a sling for a while and a suspended license. For what it's worth, I warned him, and then I only swung once. I can see how these things could easily be overused in a stressful situation, but when used with restraint they can be really effective at stopping inappropriate behavior.
I still say he's confused as to what exactly a" self-defense tool" is. It's literally anything to defend yourself. Anything can be deadly in the right hands.
yeah this guy has a hard on for using torches as a self defense tool but they function in the same way
You are going at this from a common sense standpoint, but the law doesn't work like that.
Intent for something to be a weapon, such as a combat knife, is what qualifies as something that is bannable even as a self defense weapon.
Kitchen knives are also banned from travel because while the intended purpose is for preparing ingredients, the ease with which they become a weapon for killing and their lethality makes them a real threat.
Depends on the country if the argument I just made goes. Some countries are icky even about stuff like pepper spray, or self defense in general. To the point in places like Italy if you beat up a burglar coming into your house, or even worse, shoot them, you'll go to jail.
@@friendswithbenedicts9753 I can beat the shit out of people using a 6D maglite. But it’s safe knowing that it’s not a weapon.
@@BygoneT the point of self defense is to survive m8. something being illegal doesn't make it cease to exist especially in the theoretical sense. Self-defense being illegal doesn't make it non Self-defense
In my country firearms are banned. This gives me reach advantage, multiply the force and most of all has a deterring effect in 9 out of 10 confrontations. I live in high poverty and high crime city. It's not uncommon for a group of teenage thugs to gang up, hunt on random people and beat them to a pulp. I feel much safer with this tool. Never had to actually use it, just deploying it was enough. I'm willing to use it if it saves me from stomps to the head on the ground which I personally witnessed a couple of times.
Wait....so you're saying that crime and murder are still around with guns being banned? Please go to washington and tell your story!
@@HagakureJunkie nobody argues that the ban of guns means no crimes will be committed lol
in my country firearms are banned. in my country batons are also banned. do you think violent crime has stopped?
Anything that keeps oneself from being harmed, even at the expense of the attacker getting hurt, is a defensive weapon.
To quote Greta, "How DARE you!?"
@Fat kid from Up and that's a problem? Police carry tasers and guns if you didn't know that
*ahem* 5:57
@Fat kid from Up what the fuck are you talking about? The guy in the video said it was bad, and anybody who doesn't think it's a weapon is an idiot. My point was that it's a weapon, and in being a weapon isn't a problem. And it's funny you just assumed I'm liberal lol. I carry a 1911 everyday, have an AR15, an SKS, and a Remington 870 about 5 feet away. So please shut the fuck up and think before you type. Who's the one telling themselves stupid shit now?
so firearms can be counted as defensive weapons if you won't use them for killing but for injuring so you can run away from the attacker
man pulls knife. you pull baton. you defend your self with baton. baton works.
Damn, you’re right. We need to give criminals in close-quarters combat a fighting chance after all.
They're not just used on criminals tho 👁👄👁
@@Jaimzz neither are knives, guns, bats, pipes, vehicles or any other potentially dangerous implement. That doesn't invalidate it as a self defense tool.
The Teddy police shouldn’t carry any lethal object. They have a constant history of misusing them
@@ryanspencer4068 you're goofy as hell for this comment. 🤡
@@ryanspencer4068 some do, many don't. The problem isn't the police using weapons it's the lack of consequences when they misuse them. I personally believe depriving police of lethal force is the wrong way to go. Charge the ones that misuse that force and misuse will drop overnight.
I'm having a hard time figuring out what you are actually trying to say in this video
Me 2!! I carry my ASP 21 everyday!!
Same, I think he's low key trying to sell batons.
@itsjoendx gun nuts dont understand self defense, what do you not get?
USA has the most guns per habitants but usualy are used in accidental or mass shootings.
Carrying a condom wont protect your virginity
@@zvuho there are a quarter of a million self defense incidences with guns every year and only about 20,000 murders or something
@@zvuho all American guns are usually used in accidental or mass shooting? 😂😂😂 you and your made up stats
Batons are more than just a self defense weapon, it’s a tool to smash windows and etc.
My dad and his 2 brothers are police officers and they carry that baton and they were never in the wrong when using it
I can kinda see your point but you say that most of the time it’s either legal and ineffective or effective but illegal. I’m gonna need more than a incorrectly illustrated ven diagram to come to that conclusion. Statistics tends to work more. I mean the ven diagram itself is bad because you’re using it to show amount when that’s not what the ven diagram is supposed to be used for. Anyway regardless if you agree with me or not, I think I speak for a good amount of viewers when I say you haven’t convinced anyone about anything
If something is "either legal and ineffective or effective but illegal", then the law probably is the problem.
Being a cop as well you should know the vast majority of baton uses are not actually as a weapon or self defense and more used in cases where breaking windows is necessary from a distance
Yeah baton is like a bandana it has multiple uses not just one use
what about riots?
Yep
The baton is used when you are trying to avoid lethal force on an assaultive individual
These kinda batoms are pretty lethal tho
In finland security guards can only carry these kinda batons, pepper spray and scuffs and some more little stuff but only like 1% can even carry gun so this is mostly their most lethal equipment
Anything, no matter what it is if not properly trained and used, will fail. Human beings fail.
@sophisticated B Police don't even know how to "get hands on". I've seen footage of cops getting easily overpowered by assailants in physical confrontations and it's pathetic to watch. The fact is that the training budget can not cover much of the training in intense and effective hand to hand techniques that are necessary and that cops should be taught. I even heard that the Gracie family has offered free training to certain police departments in order to assist with this lack of available hand to hand training.
Everyone fart wafting in this thread as if cops have any idea of what a person has at all times. Cops dont go hands on because they're smarter than you. No telling if the person has a knife, gun, blunt weapon, or whatever. Morons always point fingers because we learn what the suspect had or didnt AFTER the fact. Fuckin dip shits
If someone is trying to harm me or people I care about. I'll worry about the blue circle afterwards.
If they are trying to harm you, you are already in the blue circle lol... its the other circle that you're worried about.
@@hard2hurt Based on the fact you nearly broke your buddy's nose just playing around with it. I would say it's effective?
@enlightenedtrucker on a person standing around not fighting back? Lol you are not good at this.
@@hard2hurt I love your content Mike and I do respect the fact you've clearly been in some violent situations and not some random "self defence" TH-camr.
But I can't seem to rationalise that if you had 2 people, same training, same physical make up. The person without the "weapon" as you called it would come out better off.
Obviously that wasn't the point of the video. The video was about police using them.
My question would be in a self defence scenario, say against a knife, would it be effective or would you recommend something else?
After fundamental striking and grappling skills, and also given the fact you can't easily aquire guns in this part of the world?
Yes I have a big arse torch, and the I haven't tried the funny steel whip thing.
" _It's a thing used to hurt people_ "
Yes, That's the point
No, no, he has a point.
Use a whip instead.
@@MrCmon113 the joke here being that, whips are more painful than a baton.
@@MrCmon113 They have spring-whip batons. They are actually very dangerous because the leverage created from the whip can seriously damage someone.
@@ctrl_x1770 jokes aside a whip just cuts up the skin but a baton will break bones. I don't think there is anything more painful that breaking bones. Not to mention a baton is easily concealable and a whip is not.
@@vitalityfox however, I get to cosplay as Indiana Jones whenever I wear the wipe.
If my friend was constantly faking me out and ended up hitting me I'd be pissed
Eh. I’d just hit him back.
It might end the friendship after you bust his skull...
Cool, I’m ordering one now.
Don't get an ASP, get a Bonowi.
How is it? Hope you haven't had to use it yet.
It worked every time I used it, on people and animals.
You break a knee, the guy goes down. You hit the hand, he drops what he’s holding.
You smack the attacking dog in the side of the head, it wanders off and dies.
I don’t agree with using it for complicated kata holds, because no one practices them.
That’s my anecdote.
I watched a 5'2" female Deputy in California take down a 6'5" guy with a baton. It serves a purpose
Lol yeah ok.
@@hard2hurt I've seen it too lol. You may have a point but if they were such bs then Idk why every police dept in the country uses them
Not just the country. Just about every country in the world uses a form of a baton. Having a baton is an added step before the use of a firearm among other tools and skills. Taking the baton away removes a step and could potentially have undesired results, not to mention officers who end up having to deal with larger opponents or out numbered. Is it perfect? No, but that is what training and the other tools and skills are for, to help balance out the baton's weaknesses.
Also hard2hurt, you come off as overly arrogant and pretentious. The mocking attitude does not serve to aid your point of view nor sell it.
VOTE OUT RUSSIA don’t lie that’s such bull shit mate..
2 things
1 Height Does not matter
2 gender does not matter either.
The crack of the baton when expanding it open is a use of force, it actually scares people.
"A threat doesn't stop being a threat until it had been completely stopped" If somebody attacks you with anything, even hands and fists, there is a chance they will kill you. Too much of a chance to take. You shouldn't be concerned with what occurs to someone who is trying to take your life
Wow, an anime quote, followed up with a misunderstanding of the law.
As much as I like the idea of just killing everyone that takes a swing at you, that is in fact, not allowed.
Reasonable force.
@@NoName-mi8js What anime? if you could name it id love to watch it also... reasonable force doesn't matter when your life is at risk, how are you gonna say a baton is bad but in the US guns are allowed in most states
@@l0sts0ul89 But it does matter, legally. A lot of states have a escalation of force law. If someone raises fists, immediately going for a knife, a baton, or a gun, and using them, can land you in prison, especially if the person dies. I know a lot of people will say, "Judged by 12 rather than carried by 6" and consider that reasonable force in any circumstance, but it doesn't work that way.
I had a friend who tried to STOP a fist fight between two other guys get sucker punched by one of the guys friends, hit his head on the concrete, and now he has trouble talking and thinking clearly. So I understand, personally, the want to NOT let that happen to me and the WANT to draw on someone in a fist fight. But the law doesn't see it that way.
I am convinced that this man is unable to speak without hitting or kicking the other guy in the chest every 5 seconds
Yup that’s how I was when I was 16 and I’d use my friends for practice. This guy needs more humility he thinks he’s the shit!
Yeah, it's really hard to even listen to his spiel, let alone take him seriously, when he's constantly flying around like a kid on too much sugar.
You were a police officer for 8 years and don't understand the practical use of an extendable baton? What did you sleep during the police academy?
Brian Lee probably Police Academy
You can't even form a complete sentence, I would love to see your incident reports. Bet they're scribbled out in crayon.
@Steven Soco in the world of spellcheck where everything you write and say is catalogued and put on display for the world to see while in a forum where you're trying to debate a subject and sound intelligent, yes, if you want to be taken seriously there is an expectation that you can at least form a sentence and have fairly good spelling considering that smartphone in your hand literally does all of the work for you.
@@robertlowry74 you are an absolute moron this is a youtube comment section debate not an english test
He was totally unsuccessful in proving that batons don't work. His argument was simply that he doesn't think they work.
He didn't say they didn't work. He said that the overlap between effectiveness and legality was extremely thin.
To make them effective, you tend to head over into brutality territory, because you have to inflict so MUCH damage in order to get the victim to comply.
I mean... is it better than nothing? Yea, absolutely. But unless you're so much more skilled than the average LEO who's deploying one, chances are by the time you're done "defending," yourself, you're going to be facing serious criminal charges and civil lawsuits.
@Pierre LeDouche Yea... Rodney King happened in 1992, about the time I went to Basic training. I'm kinda familiar with it. And you're absolutely correct, they were not using correct baton techniques.
In order to successfully "subdue" an opponent with a baton.. you kinda HAVE to beat the ever loving fuck out of them, and act which usually goes beyond the limits of "proper use of force." If the opponent is on some sort of substance, be it drugs or alcohol, you generally have to cause structural damage in order to get a subdual to work.
Are their supremely skilled stick fighters out there who can get the job done WITHOUT brutalizing the opponent? Sure.. but despite your assertions, fighters of that caliber are few and far between.. as evidenced by the sheer number of stories where an officer had to resort to excessive force with a baton.
Again... is it better than nothing? Sure. But I think I'd prefer it to be my last ditch effort, and instead rely on OC or a taser as my first line of defense.
And no offense man... but brevity??????
@@the_part_time_geek The argument seems to be that because something can be misused, it can't be used properly. The logic just isn't there.
@@AJHart-eg1ys The problem lies in the fact that it is misused FAR more often than it's used correctly. If course batons can be used correctly. I've said it, Mike said it. But the misuse is much more prevailant.
@@the_part_time_geek That may be true. But it in no way counters the argument that a baton is a self-defense weapon. It just provides a separate argument that batons are more often than not misused.
I have a small collapsible baton that I carry on my belt. Got involved into a physical altercation with a very aggressive person that was much bigger and stringer than me. As soon as he pushed me, I pulled out my baton and he immediately backed up and left. Batons work, even when you don't need to use it. If you can carry a baton, I recommend you do
He basically just showed me a graph. But didn’t show me why it’s not useful for self defense
He's not smart.
Because with the baton, you’ll either end up in jail or in an hospital. The baton is too effective to ne acceptable in court, and your aggressor will only need one blow to know he’ll be able to suit your ass down to the last penny.
Only if you are a moron using it wrong. I have sat through many assault cases in court. And I have never seen a judge condemn or force payment from a person who correctly used a baton, even if the person hit by it sustained major injury. Around where i live, most assault cases i have seen with a baton involved, the person hit by it has a broken hand, arm, jaw, or fractured skull. I have only seen one person where the judge actually approved him being sued, however he was the assailant that started the fight and it was not defense at all.
The most memorable case i have seen involved 2 large men who assaulted a woman and her 14yo daughter, they came at her with knives, she broke both thier wrists that were holding the knives, shattered the kneecap on one, and broke the jaw of the other, her daughter was stabbed but did not defend herself. The attackers sued the mother for damages and the judge laughed at them, then granted the woman the option to counter sue them and set a date for that, it was approved.
TheZyreick these all sound like assaults you were apart. Please stop talking creeper
@@MichaelScherer77 lol the boomer got triggered, apparently he doesn't realize you can go to any court and watch cases be resolved. Our society will do great with how many people partake in the legal system to stay informed, we are obviously in great hands for the future. (Obvious sarcasm regarding how utterly stupid and hopeless the new generations are)
Your sparring partner has the patience of a saint putting up with you waving that thing in his face and no-look swinging it at him.
Yeah he might as well be rubbing his balls on the guy's face as far as the message it sends.
Ya I've seen other videos with this guy and he is such a tool. He also looks pretty weak/flabby for a martial artist..
The guy with the knife that followed me after a road rage incident. thought my baton was very affective. I 100% disagree and think he would as well.
I've discovered a new category today,weapons karens
*Weapon* Karen's works just fine no need for an S for each word.
Lol
ngl that make me laugh 😂
Yeah, it’s the new national pastime; telling other Americans what they can’t or shouldn’t do. Fuck this guy.
@@onerider808 YEAH!!! RAPE AND PILLAGE!!! ALL OUT CHAOS AND WARFARE HAHAHAVAVAHAVAV
This dude is having way too much fun whipping that baton at his friend over there
Right?! Hes always bullying him lol!
Yeah, he's a douche
Whilst saying, "it's not effective".
not to mention he doesn't even know how to hold it correctly
„It’s not sd tool it’s dangerous weapon, I would swing it around like braindead”
Man, Upgrade that Baton with a chain and Metal Ball with Spikes and 100% everyone will comply with your ''Authoritah ! '' :)))
That's badass.
Skip the chain. A spiked mace is pretty deadly all right, chain just makes it hard to handle.
Then set the metal spike ball on fire
"Authoritah" cartman lmaoo
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Just imagine being the guy who tells you that it’s your moral obligation to be unarmed against attackers, who are most likely far more experienced in fighting than you, and probably have weapons of their own.
I don’t understand how there’s supposed to be a different between a self defense tool and a weapon especially if ur a civilian in the USA. To me they’re the same
As long as they hurt the other guy real bad, and you had a good reason to use it, it's a self-defense weapon to me
Just my opinion but in some places in the USA if you defend yourself the law might not be on your side. So after you win RUN.
In some states headbutts, knee’s and elbows are considered use of deadly force AND not self-defense techniques.
Well when do you know ahead of time your assailant won't kill you if you loose ?
The reason so-called dirty tactics are still around is because they work.
Less than lethal weapons when they work, are very effective. When they don't they are useless.
The line between self-defense and doing too much damage to be considered too much force is a thin one.
And it presumes your better trained and better conditioned then your opponent.
It's because you're a sane human being.
@@SeraphsWitness thanks. Idk. It just feels good to hear that every once in a while
That's why his circle for "legal" is stupid. Defending yourself using anything, including your own body can be "illegal" in many cases, because the law is bullshit. But would it be better to be killed/maimed/raped/seriously injured? Or better to defend yourself with the best possible means and then run away and hope you don't get pursued by the police if the attacker tries to make a legal complaint? That's why no one trusts the police and legal system, and having a means to protect yourself is important. And this is much less lethal and more legal than a gun or knife, and not everyone has the martial arts training to kung fu the other person, and often the attacker/agressor is stronger and bigger because thats the kind of coward that attacks others without reason.