I'm pretty sure I was supposed to read a script or at least some talking points since it was sponsored... but it's Saturday so I've got a day or two head start on them.
For more context. A compact .22 short pistol generates between 60 and 100 joules. A framing hammer swung over the distance of 1 meter generates between 25 and 35 joules. A 40 gram bean bag from a shotgun produces 80 to 90 joules, but spread out over a serface area of about 4 inches. Swinging a 3/4 inch diameter stick 24 inches long over the space of a meter produces between 30 and 50 joules. Falling onto the ground while running (provided you don't attempt to catch yourself) can generate between 40 and 80 joules. All of these things are potentially (and probably) lethal, esp. if it hits you in the head. Small bones generally start breaking around 40 joules and large bones generally start breaking around 80 joules, but the exact nature of the impact, angle, anatomy and leverage makes a huge difference in those numbers. Damage could potentially happen as much as 20 joules lower or higher than that. A weighted, semisolid projectile 7/16 inch diameter producing 39 joules of force is also absolutely a probabilistically lethal round. Definitely Don't Do This At Home!
Your calculations sound a bit off. I estimated a falling body. Lets say your weighing 100kg and you fall 1 meter (reasonable for a trip?), so you'd impact with 9,81 m/s that gives us 4811.81 Joule already.
@@i.c.wiener2750 you're not actually wrong, but often these things don't translate to the real world. I didn't actually calculate the body falling, but I've been into martial arts and physics my entire life. Realistically it's not 100kg falling 1 meter. It's more like 100kg distributed along a stick that's standing upright and tipping over. Not only does it work out to a lot less energy, but the impact is spread out over a pretty big area. Either way, if falling actually generated over 4 thousand joules humans would be dying off by the hundreds of thousands every day.
consider also that the intruder after getting shot , combining the loudness of this thing with the feel of impact,would probably think he got shot by real gun. Mike your the man.... respect from Greece
@@letsdothis9063 well you are right. We are Just talking about the specific non lethal gun here. Personally I would prefer the psychological "safety" of a Glock (yes you have to know how to use it,how to assess quickly the situation,to be able to operate under stress and not to freeze, so you need training etc etc etc.)
@@hard2hurt Your channel is fucking awesome because of this. You're a unique and yet normal down to earth guy and we love you for it. You're weird in all the right ways Brother. And as a fellow weirdoe, I relate to it.
I like the added 'with lethal backup'. Somehow it seems as if people use lethal optionas their go to and, if they have a backup at all, it's poorly thought out. Having (a) the mental concept and distinction between known and unknown threats and (b) a less lethal tool with a lethal backup sounds waaaay more thoughtful to me
No way. You're telling me if your KNOW there's an intruder in your house and you have a lethal option, you're going to be foolish enough to go deal with the threat with a non lethal "primary"? When shit hits the fan you have less than 2 seconds to stop the threat. You're not going to be switching between weapon options mid catastrophy.
@@aydinsha it depends. If it's just some random stranger (UNKNOWN threat or threats) Who's already IN your home, maybe you should step it up. But if it's a KNOWN threat (aka you know the person, their capabilities and motives) Who is just outside being a dick, that leaves you with way more options. Also, as stated in the video, not everyone can have or want to have firearms. Here in Germany for example, we usually can't have guns for home or self defense. (We also can't have pepper ball dispensers with more than 7.5 Jules... So... Damn...) But still, some people just refuse to have a gun (absolutely within their rights, even if I personally disagree) And others might have reservations to take a life (most people btw, even the ones who are oh so tough... They are not.) Amd than also, if you KNOW the threat and its capability, you can make a pretty well informed decision. If the threat is NOT a threat to your life, maybe think twice about killing him... Even when it's technically legal... Or, even if you are that rare individual, who actually can take someone's life without remorse (unlikely but certainly possible) even when you know for a fact that the person can't or won't kill you (very possible with known threats) and even if you would escalate to lethal force whenever (technically) justified (which would be well within your rights) than that's still just you and your decision. Other people might decide to take the risk (which is kinda small anyways since we're still taking about a known threat) and take the non or less lethal option as a primary and the lethal option as a backup. It's what I would do and what probably most people should do. In the end it's a very personal and individual decision, based on a shitton of variables, most of them are kimda clear with known threats.
@@manuelschmoller2884 Unknown threat should always be lethal IF you are protecting others is what people should think. You aren't serious otherwise. Besides that I agree. Though to make people have the idea of its capability, I think it should be called deterrence. That way people won't fool themselves into situations that this could put them into. If a second person can take up the firearm then it can be excused as a first option since the other person would be there at the ready, but if it's only one acting then that is a different story since that's a whole lot for one to do and decide in such a potentially short time.
Your "Other people exist" speech was perfect... Not enough people say it or believe like that... I had never seen your videos before but it made me subscribe immediately...
Although it is an important point, if you can you should definitely just go for a firearm. The issue is that your home is the last line if you're unprepared. That's the important distinction. A firearm is absolute every time (just so long as you aren't unreasonably inaccurate), even in the most dire of situations. If this is the best you can get than it isn't a question, but if it isn't then don't unless you live by yourself.
@@midgetman4206Just be prepared to spend 50K-75K and the next 6-9 months in court defending yourself and your reasoning for using deadly force to a liberal DA and Judge in the hopes that they don't find you guilty and sentence you to 5-10 years in prison.
@@Joreel Of course the tool should be used under the proper circumstances. Pulling a firearm on something that rarely needs it is stupid. At the same time, you shouldn't be afraid of using the more effective device for unknown/risky situations. Those would be break-ins and suspicious individuals. Using it on people you just don't like on the other hand is just selfish and cowardly. His example of a psychotic ex. I think that's more complicated. 1 time is a warning, so it shouldn't need a lethal reaction. Anything after that though, the person is too crazy to be safely kept around, and it's their actions that show that since no sane and respectable person would return after a warning unless they're willing to reach extreme measures. Luckily I live in a state that is more lenient on gun ownership and self-defense, but my statement is for those protecting others besides themselves. When the lives of loved ones are on the line, sacrificing one's own freedom and maybe even life is already a forethought (or at least should be).
@@Joreel That's why smart folks choose to live in red states. And if Kyle Rittenhouse and George Zimmerman can both be found NOT GUILTY, I'm not too worried because I have even better judgement than them.
i have been in many physical altercations. i live in a bad area. i carry two guns - a 357 and a backup revolver in 22 mag. that said, i feel like OC spray (less lethal) will cover 90% of problems. you are totally right, and the crowd who thinks otherwise has never actually dealt with real violence.
I'm former LEO and OC spray is trash. All it does is piss someone off and make them more violent. Hell, even the taser doesn't work many times. I doubt everything you wrote is even true if you're saying such a stupid thing.
Some would see the barrel of this kit and reconsider. Others require demonstrations. My hesitations would be reload, size, and once you fire any projectile the other person may return fire with lethal rounds… in the street fight scenarios. 5-7 rounds, you must be on target… 8-13 rounds plus spare magazine =spray and pray.
@@hard2hurt ahh yes, I am man on the internet, surely I know more about this topic than the guy who does this as his job. Keep doing what you’re doing, love your content.
Hey, i bought an pistol umarex tp50 11 joules. My brother and I tested it on each other and it really hurts, no joke, a training cartridge in the stomach brings you to your knees in pain. And you ate 38 joules... Big respect
Wouldn't want to test that theory out! That said, I watched a guy get shot through the throat with a 5.56 round out in Iraq. He did a somersault, grabbed his throat, got up and ran about a half mile away before disappearing into the distance.
Thats still a mortal wound or grievous injury and and definitely a deterrent😅 it really sounds they person shot is in a state of dying to me @waltimus
I'm very interested in this. I've really been thinking about how to handle a situation that doesn't justify lethal force, but requires some type of force
@@OTT-JVIt makes me wonder about the "less than lethal" part. I could see the thing penetrating the gut, or maybe killing on a head shot, certainly it could knock a person out.
If you are in a situation that requires force, it better be lethal. The other person is not going to share your optimism; they are a criminal after all. Using something like this only scares the little fishes away. You could probably scare the little fishes away by standing up straight and acting like you own it. So if this doesn't do lethal, and you can just act strong to scare off the little fishes, so what is it for? Yeah, just saying.
@@hard2hurt Mike when you showed us your chest where the round impacted, I was very alarmed. I hope it healed and that you are well. I enjoy your channel very much.🙏
You'll enjoy your Grimburg Gavle. It's a great launcher. I have a Umarex HDX 50 Joules 16 shot Shottie I use for home defense. Eventually I'll have enough saved up to either get a Gavle or the Solstice when it comes out next year.
I have one and a Byrna HD. Both excellent. The cool thing about these is you can stack your rounds. I stack 7 rounds as rubber/steel, OC gas, rubber/steel, OC gas/ the rest rubber/steel. You can put the rounds in which ever way you feel the need to. Suggestion: Buy the orange versions of these weapons. I think it’s good to know this is not a firearm in most situations.
I'd rather someone in my home thinks it's a real gun. Police are knocking my door down as I play by the rules. I would not carry this outside concealed, too bulky in my opinion for that. But for the home, especially where I live (basically in top of neighbors in any direction) I could see this being viable to prevent over penitration. If someone was to carry this in public I could also see orange being a good option, but I feel conceal n carry is best with a compact shorter barrel actual fire arm.
So, for the house. Have you ever considered just using a paintball gun ? I worked for a mechanic, he had a back lot full of junkers. We'd constantly get people coming to steal scrap, we had a "security guard". And his weapon of choice was a Tippman 98 modded to shoot hard with a mix of pepper and rubber balls. He used it multiple times without getting reported, and every time the poor bastard scrambled out however they got in
@@TimRHillard you've got that right, I've seen him take hits from all of the ones he's done on the channel and this was the only time I've ever seen him speechless.
39J meant next to nothing to me, so I looked up some things to compare it to. A .22LR from a rifle is about 180J, a 9mm defensive load will be about 550J, or an arrow fired from a compound bow for hunting will typically be around 100J. The arrow is going to have less energy because the energy calculation square the velocity, so with an arrow's higher mass and lower velocity, it has less energy. The arrow overcomes this by the shape of the arrowhead and momentum. The takeaway I'm getting is that the pepper balls are going to be miserable to be hit with, and the hard ammo may actually be lethal, depending on where it hits. You definitely don't want one of these hitting you in the head or throat.
@@hyperfluous whether or not its lethal depends entirely on the *size* of the projectile. Look up captive bolt research, 68 joules is listed as inneffective stun and 450 joules is often not enough to kill cattle. 100 joules to a human head is probably going to cause some brain damage but they will probably live.
But he had no objective nor adrenaline pumping probably good for coyotes but humans are unpredictable or will drop like that especially if the mean to harm you how fast can they close the gap before that becomes ineffective
I just saw a badgecam earlier today where a subject without a shirt was hit with a beanbag round from a shotgun and it penetrated his chest cavity resulting in his death. Fabric layer(s) over soft tissue do spread out the force and tend to prevent/reduce over-penetration, which is likely why he wore a hoodie and t-shirt. Plus his chest hair probably helped, too. 😃I certainly wouldn't want to test this shirtless. As a teen in the early '80's I had a friend shoot me with my pellet rifle with ten pumps at 100', while wearing a t-shirt, flannel shirt and military jacket. While it did not penetrate the fabric, it did leave a blackened center with a 2" welt and I was jumping around like a wounded jackrabbit. other areas were protected with plywood.
Next time on Houston Jones. 😬 Very insightful video. This would be an excellent alternative in circumstances where maybe people have issues with mentally ill/addicted loved ones. Where the loved one is an active threat and escalating and you need a deterrent until law enforcement arrives. The impact zone is immediately noticeable through the chest hair, I though it had removed skin like a rock salt round would, still immediately noticeable after 4 days.
Bro.. you got some freakin Balls!! I would have never done that..I have one of those Grimburg Gavle,and tested on a piece of 1/2” plywood from about 25 to 30 feet and it went right through it!! I had to stop testing it after the first shot because it’s freakin loud.. I didn’t want the neighbors to call the cops! 😂 Thank you 🙏 tho for taking one for the team! 👍 Great video keep up the good work 🤙🏾
I havent seen a lot of people take an impact round from the gavle to the chest. I think this will help a lot of people make an informed self defense choice. Thank you for risking your own health. I hope you heal well.
I hope Grimburg cut you a HUGE cheque after that! Not because you acted, but because that was an awesome product review. Love your content. Many thanks.
You covered ALL the bases. That was an enormous amount of information. So much so that I'm considering owning some sort of product like that. Much appreciated!
"This is going to come as a shock to you, YOU are not the only person on the planet". That delivery was gold. This is the first time I've watched this guy. I'm actually glad he did a live test with multiple layers of clothing. I've been eyeing a gavle for awhile now because I don't want to own a firearm (yes, I am one of those millions of people he spoke of) but want an effective home protection weapon. After watching this video I have 0 questions as to it's effectiveness and will be purchasing one in the near future.
It might work well for law enforcement. They often have people refuse to get out of their vehicles. Penetrate a window that isn't occupied and fill the car with pepperballs.
The only downside is the whole "I can't breathe" aspect. Could be very difficult maintaining forcible restraint on a perp under the conditions some of these pepperballs/spray inflict onto a body and have it hold up in court. I really DO like the idea tho! Perhaps just a different chemical mix.
*I used to play paintball and always had a backup hand paintball CO2 shooter tucked in the back of my hip, but for gosh stake it didn't make noises like that! It was mostly quiet like a normal rifle paintball gun is.* *And you can hit a quarter at football length easily with the rifle gun and yes it still hurt like hell.* *Get shot close up and you will have big fat black and blue swollen bruises, even through your protective gears.* *PSI in paintball tournaments are regulated for safety reason.* *If your PSI is set even 1 PSI over, you're DQ.*
I had my son shoot me in the stomach with my pepper ball gun using the rubber rounds. I don’t think mine is nearly as powerful as the one you have there but one shot to my belly put me on the ground. Usually my reaction to pain is rage but all I felt was panic and wanted to get as far from it as possible. Told my son if he ever had to use it and it didn’t stop the threat in a couple shots, just run away because it ain’t human lol
This is by far the most impressive less lethal human demonstration on TH-cam period bottomline. No one dared to get shot by the Grimburg TCP/FSC modified less lethal launcher. But this badass took a shot in the chest, he deserves more subscribers/views. Plus he does have an awesome real self defense life situations
You often hear stories of people being shot and not even realizing it aside from a warm sensation. Based on your reaction, this thing feels much less lethal and much more deterring.
How quickly can you ready it? Would you say it's equivalent to carrying a handgun with the chamber empty and having to rack it to ready it? More? Less?
Assuming you already loaded it, You just have to twist the cylinder to pressurize and you're in business. It literally takes as long as it would take you to close a bottle of water to get the Gavle in a ready state
Mike, in what situations do you recommend this over other non-lethal force options? I'm European and this things still seems overkill to me for 99.9% of situations. Also, can you discuss the effects of this looking like a gun? I think very often it would make people run away, or draw their own gun... Thanks for this great vid!
Good video, thanks. Refreshing view on the "make my day" mentality - even when it's 100% justifiable, dealing with the aftermath of a lethal force shooting is no fun for anyone . Unfortunately, many countries here in Europe also prohibit gas-operated weapons with more than 7.5 Joules of muzzle energy, making this Grimble almost as illegal as an unlicensed firearm.
1. This can kill someone when loaded with metal projectiles, thus it is lethal force to a jury. (Imagine an eye hit from 3 feet away) 2. It's not orange, it looks like a gun. To an untrained ear, it sounds like a gun. If you pull this on a guy - you just elevated the verbal/fisticuffs fight to a gunfight. When they hear that thing crack off, they're going to assume they're getting shot with a real gun. Maybe that makes them run away? Maybe it makes them draw a real gun and smoke you.
This is the PERFECT option for someone like me who lives in Canada, where defending yourself with a firearm can land you in jail. Definitely ordering one of these ASAP!
It is stupid to make a less than letal weapon identical to a fire arm. I bought the one you reviewed last year which has a flashlight shape… why would you put yourself in danger of being shot by an attacker thinking that you have a firearm? Even the law would protect that attacker is he shoots you
Well. Defending your house yes, if that's what you want. My house nope. My bedside rifle is a .45/70 and my side arm is a .45. Old school works for me.
Would this be good conceal carry for a place like CA where you can't easily get a ccw? Looks like this would work for almost everything but a firearm encounter.
As a travel Xray tech, I cross state lines every few months towing my camper with me. I don’t know where I will go next sometimes and also have to leave on short notice sometimes. I want a self defense tool for my self and “home” that is legal anywhere I go. I’m definitely interested in this.
I am a senior citizen living in rural idaho, looking after my grandchildren.. my wife has a gavle to keep the kids under control. It worked on my 200lb grandson
When doing through the gas house training during the academy we went through CS gas was called Chicken Sh*t Gas. I just received got my Gavle and love it. My biggest concern with other Less Lethal Launchers on the market was stopping power of someone wearing denim or leather jacket. I can tell you getting hit wearing either will stop the attack. The Gavle was built from the ground up making it a rather robust launcher. Remember in most gun encounters a civilian just presenting something looking like a firearm is going to end the issue. Also, it's a launcher so if you need to take your shot, do so, run to safety and call the police because the first one who calls is generally not the one who will go to jail. In this day and age it's better to be armed than not armed but situational awareness is also important. Which means being aware of your surroundings at all times while out in COP language we call it condition yellow. As to the home invasion scenario I'm currently testing out a less lethal launcher which has the ability to send 19 rounds down range at 19 joules or with an upgrade up to 60 joules but this is NOT cheap and is also built from the ground up.
Just put on a winter coat. .68 caliber won’t penetrate that and it’ll provide some padding as well. The hdr50 is what a lot folks play and tinker with. It isn’t recommended for any airgun to left charged with co2. It’ll vary greatly and irregularly depending on outside temperature. If you want more power put it on your dashboard on a warm day for a few minutes then put it in the gun and shoot it. But if it’s colder it’ll drop in velocity greatly.
I appreciate your dedication to your "craft" and to your search for a realistic experience in your effort to provide an honest opinion regarding the effectiveness of these defensive tools.
since it is an airgun it could probably be made as a "full semiauto" with an external gas tank and a hopper loading mechanism kinda like a paintball gun
"Finding people willing to shoot me was difficult." - I'm here for you, buddy - just say the word. Eagerly awaiting your next need of willing participants...😉
fun fact, pepperballs tend to come in .68 and can therefore be launched by any commercial paintball gun, should you pick one with an adjustable gas system you can ramp up the FPS well past the 300 limit they keep for games and you can also set many to full auto. food for thought. grabbing a cheap used speedball gun and hopper and you would be able to unload hundreds of balls in a moment. my old TM7 (woodsball gun) could actually empty a 300 ball hopper in just a few seconds at full BPS, and since break beam eyes are standard you wont have to worry about a chop gassing you out with pepperspray. add an apex barrel and you can apply and control the amount and direction of spin on the ball and make it curve into cover. its the cheapest shit ever and paintball fields used to ban them from time to time. because it IS pretty ridiculous when you master it. now eliminate the need to necessarily hit the target dead on because "splatter" will incapacitate just as well, and its a BRUTAL crowd control unit
I’m sure someone else has said it, but I would alternate the rounds between kinetic and CS that way you’re hitting them with the best of both so three kinetic and two CS thats stopping just about anybody
TH-cam thinks I should watch this video, so I watch it.. then the man said - "But I do what I want.." with the fervour and tenacity I usually use internally and aloud, with that being said.. Auto subbed, glad to be aboard sir
Exactly the kind of review I have been looking for on the Gavle. There is no comparison between this and the Byrna, but I think I still wanna hold out for the Grimburg Solstice. Great video review!
Glad I caught this video in my feed. I am one of those people who doesn't want a firearm. Since I live in GA, I have become comfortable with the open carry I see, so to each his own. I have been in the market for one of these and have seen many different reviews. This one might be it for me. Great video and presentation, will be watching more of yours for sure. ☮
Youre one tough dude, 39 joule with that round in the chest is borderline insane. But you answered alot of questions with this one. Byrna LE is much faster to get working (just pull trigger once) and would be the one id go for for daily carry etc for that reason, but it also have i believe around half the joules. Their chemical rounds are said to be very effective which makes up for that though. I think these are great for both home defence and on the street but even more so on the street since you can just run away there, its not so easy at home.
Byrna vs umarex tp50 vs Grimburg Gavle vs Sabre pepper projectile launcher vs Salt Supply S2, how do they compare? which one was the most reliable? Which one did the most damage to the assailant?
Thanks for taking the hit. I own one and never thought I would see a person volunteer to take a shot!! Three other points: Yes it is loud. Gun shot loud for the first shot at least. That alone will scatter people, but could also prompt an armed bad guy to return fire. Could lead to a heavy police response too, that could go sideways against you! And don't forget, if you live in a thin walled apartment building, this may be a better option for some who are concerned with bullets flying into the next apartment!(Civil suit! Yikes) Lastly, heavy clothing in colder environments. You have to be aware of that too. Would be interesting to see how effective heavy clothing is at blunting the impact of the kinetics projectiles.
Are you imagining a scenario where a bad guy has a gun, but wasn't going to use it on you until he realized you had a gun? Like a bad guy that only uses reasonable force?
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499.00 dang
Ever done a video on Punch daggers or push knivrs?
How many grams was the projectile?
@@michaelsmith2055 doesnt he say in the video?
@@mannyfragoza9652 I went back and looked but all he says is “impact round”
"But I do what I want" being the refrain of this video was art at a high level
I'm pretty sure I was supposed to read a script or at least some talking points since it was sponsored... but it's Saturday so I've got a day or two head start on them.
Agreed 👍! …”But I do what I want.“ 🤣,👊!!
@@hard2hurt sponsor smonsher you do what you want lol
I'm totally using this one.
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"Oooh... shit, that's too loud for out here. We gotta go, yikes!"
Kid in the background... "what was thaat!?" 🤣🤣🤣
Starting hauling ass 😂
homies gotta keep the rent down somehow 🤣🤣🤣
For more context. A compact .22 short pistol generates between 60 and 100 joules. A framing hammer swung over the distance of 1 meter generates between 25 and 35 joules. A 40 gram bean bag from a shotgun produces 80 to 90 joules, but spread out over a serface area of about 4 inches. Swinging a 3/4 inch diameter stick 24 inches long over the space of a meter produces between 30 and 50 joules. Falling onto the ground while running (provided you don't attempt to catch yourself) can generate between 40 and 80 joules. All of these things are potentially (and probably) lethal, esp. if it hits you in the head. Small bones generally start breaking around 40 joules and large bones generally start breaking around 80 joules, but the exact nature of the impact, angle, anatomy and leverage makes a huge difference in those numbers. Damage could potentially happen as much as 20 joules lower or higher than that.
A weighted, semisolid projectile 7/16 inch diameter producing 39 joules of force is also absolutely a probabilistically lethal round.
Definitely Don't Do This At Home!
Your calculations sound a bit off.
I estimated a falling body. Lets say your weighing 100kg and you fall 1 meter (reasonable for a trip?), so you'd impact with 9,81 m/s that gives us 4811.81 Joule already.
@@i.c.wiener2750 you're not actually wrong, but often these things don't translate to the real world. I didn't actually calculate the body falling, but I've been into martial arts and physics my entire life. Realistically it's not 100kg falling 1 meter. It's more like 100kg distributed along a stick that's standing upright and tipping over. Not only does it work out to a lot less energy, but the impact is spread out over a pretty big area. Either way, if falling actually generated over 4 thousand joules humans would be dying off by the hundreds of thousands every day.
To impact at 9.81m/s you need to fall for a second, so 5m. Otherwise E=mgh, so 100 kg from 1m is 981J. But you take that over a large surface.
A 2 m long 100 kg stick falling over has the exact same kinetic energy as a 100 kg weight dropping 1 m. The impact happens at 45 degrees though.
@@marcelmuller8166 Damn, I knew something was off lol. Still, around 1000J sounds different than the 40J - 80J calculated by OP.
consider also that the intruder after getting shot , combining the loudness of this thing with the feel of impact,would probably think he got shot by real gun. Mike your the man.... respect from Greece
I think a lot of people would assume they were shot.
That's what I'm thinking
Plot twist: they think that they have been shot...so they shoot you "back".
Don't play games with your life.
@@letsdothis9063 well you are right. We are Just talking about the specific non lethal gun here. Personally I would prefer the psychological "safety" of a Glock (yes you have to know how to use it,how to assess quickly the situation,to be able to operate under stress and not to freeze, so you need training etc etc etc.)
@@letsdothis9063...are u lost? This is LTL.
It’s amazing how mike’s content feels so friendly and down to earth yet has really fucking good production quality. Clear he’s a pro
Thanks for telling me that... i try to make it feel personal, not like a tv show.
@@hard2hurt Your channel is fucking awesome because of this.
You're a unique and yet normal down to earth guy and we love you for it.
You're weird in all the right ways Brother.
And as a fellow weirdoe, I relate to it.
As far as a "known threat at home" kind of scenario, this looks like a fantastic in-hand primary....
With a lethal backup
Not to be used indoors or up wind, could pepper yourself? 🤪😏
I like the added 'with lethal backup'.
Somehow it seems as if people use lethal optionas their go to and, if they have a backup at all, it's poorly thought out.
Having (a) the mental concept and distinction between known and unknown threats and (b) a less lethal tool with a lethal backup sounds waaaay more thoughtful to me
No way. You're telling me if your KNOW there's an intruder in your house and you have a lethal option, you're going to be foolish enough to go deal with the threat with a non lethal "primary"? When shit hits the fan you have less than 2 seconds to stop the threat. You're not going to be switching between weapon options mid catastrophy.
@@aydinsha it depends.
If it's just some random stranger (UNKNOWN threat or threats)
Who's already IN your home, maybe you should step it up.
But if it's a KNOWN threat (aka you know the person, their capabilities and motives)
Who is just outside being a dick, that leaves you with way more options.
Also, as stated in the video, not everyone can have or want to have firearms. Here in Germany for example, we usually can't have guns for home or self defense. (We also can't have pepper ball dispensers with more than 7.5 Jules... So... Damn...)
But still, some people just refuse to have a gun (absolutely within their rights, even if I personally disagree)
And others might have reservations to take a life (most people btw, even the ones who are oh so tough... They are not.)
Amd than also, if you KNOW the threat and its capability, you can make a pretty well informed decision.
If the threat is NOT a threat to your life, maybe think twice about killing him...
Even when it's technically legal...
Or, even if you are that rare individual, who actually can take someone's life without remorse (unlikely but certainly possible) even when you know for a fact that the person can't or won't kill you (very possible with known threats) and even if you would escalate to lethal force whenever (technically) justified (which would be well within your rights) than that's still just you and your decision.
Other people might decide to take the risk (which is kinda small anyways since we're still taking about a known threat) and take the non or less lethal option as a primary and the lethal option as a backup.
It's what I would do and what probably most people should do.
In the end it's a very personal and individual decision, based on a shitton of variables, most of them are kimda clear with known threats.
@@manuelschmoller2884 Unknown threat should always be lethal IF you are protecting others is what people should think. You aren't serious otherwise. Besides that I agree. Though to make people have the idea of its capability, I think it should be called deterrence. That way people won't fool themselves into situations that this could put them into. If a second person can take up the firearm then it can be excused as a first option since the other person would be there at the ready, but if it's only one acting then that is a different story since that's a whole lot for one to do and decide in such a potentially short time.
Your "Other people exist" speech was perfect... Not enough people say it or believe like that... I had never seen your videos before but it made me subscribe immediately...
I agree.
Although it is an important point, if you can you should definitely just go for a firearm. The issue is that your home is the last line if you're unprepared. That's the important distinction. A firearm is absolute every time (just so long as you aren't unreasonably inaccurate), even in the most dire of situations. If this is the best you can get than it isn't a question, but if it isn't then don't unless you live by yourself.
@@midgetman4206Just be prepared to spend 50K-75K and the next 6-9 months in court defending yourself and your reasoning for using deadly force to a liberal DA and Judge in the hopes that they don't find you guilty and sentence you to 5-10 years in prison.
@@Joreel Of course the tool should be used under the proper circumstances. Pulling a firearm on something that rarely needs it is stupid. At the same time, you shouldn't be afraid of using the more effective device for unknown/risky situations. Those would be break-ins and suspicious individuals. Using it on people you just don't like on the other hand is just selfish and cowardly.
His example of a psychotic ex. I think that's more complicated. 1 time is a warning, so it shouldn't need a lethal reaction. Anything after that though, the person is too crazy to be safely kept around, and it's their actions that show that since no sane and respectable person would return after a warning unless they're willing to reach extreme measures.
Luckily I live in a state that is more lenient on gun ownership and self-defense, but my statement is for those protecting others besides themselves. When the lives of loved ones are on the line, sacrificing one's own freedom and maybe even life is already a forethought (or at least should be).
@@Joreel That's why smart folks choose to live in red states. And if Kyle Rittenhouse and George Zimmerman can both be found NOT GUILTY, I'm not too worried because I have even better judgement than them.
i have been in many physical altercations. i live in a bad area. i carry two guns - a 357 and a backup revolver in 22 mag. that said, i feel like OC spray (less lethal) will cover 90% of problems. you are totally right, and the crowd who thinks otherwise has never actually dealt with real violence.
I'm former LEO and OC spray is trash. All it does is piss someone off and make them more violent. Hell, even the taser doesn't work many times. I doubt everything you wrote is even true if you're saying such a stupid thing.
Some would see the barrel of this kit and reconsider. Others require demonstrations.
My hesitations would be reload, size, and once you fire any projectile the other person may return fire with lethal rounds… in the street fight scenarios. 5-7 rounds, you must be on target… 8-13 rounds plus spare magazine =spray and pray.
“But I do what I want” is crazy, I love it 😂
People send me these little emails full of "instructions" all the time... it's so stinkin cute.
@@hard2hurt ahh yes, I am man on the internet, surely I know more about this topic than the guy who does this as his job.
Keep doing what you’re doing, love your content.
Hey, i bought an pistol umarex tp50 11 joules. My brother and I tested it on each other and it really hurts, no joke, a training cartridge in the stomach brings you to your knees in pain.
And you ate 38 joules... Big respect
If this hits your throat you are dead 100%. Good thing your friend had decent aim. Man I love you for this, the realest out here!
Thanks man!
Wouldn't want to test that theory out! That said, I watched a guy get shot through the throat with a 5.56 round out in Iraq. He did a somersault, grabbed his throat, got up and ran about a half mile away before disappearing into the distance.
Thats still a mortal wound or grievous injury and and definitely a deterrent😅 it really sounds they person shot is in a state of dying to me @waltimus
@waltimus Hey man I wanted to thank you for your service thoroughly m 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸 God bless you
I'm very interested in this. I've really been thinking about how to handle a situation that doesn't justify lethal force, but requires some type of force
It's really powerful.
@@hard2hurtyeah we saw😅
lol good one man nice to see a good review where the person actually “tries “ the impact
@@OTT-JVIt makes me wonder about the "less than lethal" part. I could see the thing penetrating the gut, or maybe killing on a head shot, certainly it could knock a person out.
If you are in a situation that requires force, it better be lethal. The other person is not going to share your optimism; they are a criminal after all. Using something like this only scares the little fishes away. You could probably scare the little fishes away by standing up straight and acting like you own it. So if this doesn't do lethal, and you can just act strong to scare off the little fishes, so what is it for? Yeah, just saying.
I prefer my tactical buckler but you do you lmao
I ordered a Gavle last week, I hope I get it soon. Awesome video! Mike you are the man! Prayers 🙏 that you heal quickly.
It was a lot of fun... and very powerful.
@@hard2hurt I hope you are feeling better 🙏
@@hard2hurtfun?🤦 Oh my, your poor wife🤪.
@@hard2hurt Mike when you showed us your chest where the round impacted, I was very alarmed. I hope it healed and that you are well. I enjoy your channel very much.🙏
You'll enjoy your Grimburg Gavle. It's a great launcher. I have a Umarex HDX 50 Joules 16 shot Shottie I use for home defense. Eventually I'll have enough saved up to either get a Gavle or the Solstice when it comes out next year.
My wife, Ashley, commentating during your "other people exist" was perfectly timed 😂
I have one and a Byrna HD. Both excellent. The cool thing about these is you can stack your rounds. I stack 7 rounds as rubber/steel, OC gas, rubber/steel, OC gas/ the rest rubber/steel. You can put the rounds in which ever way you feel the need to.
Suggestion:
Buy the orange versions of these weapons. I think it’s good to know this is not a firearm in most situations.
You said most situations... I can only think of one situation and it is an extremely rare one. Can you describe this situationm
@@hard2hurt you pull it out on someone with a real firearm, or police see it. Orange makes it known that’s it’s 99% a less than lethal weapon.
I'd rather someone in my home thinks it's a real gun. Police are knocking my door down as I play by the rules.
I would not carry this outside concealed, too bulky in my opinion for that.
But for the home, especially where I live (basically in top of neighbors in any direction) I could see this being viable to prevent over penitration.
If someone was to carry this in public I could also see orange being a good option, but I feel conceal n carry is best with a compact shorter barrel actual fire arm.
I wouldn't stack rounds in this unless your using the soft spring. The pepperball WILL explode in the barrel with the hard spring
@@squidsleapwhat about felons?
So, for the house. Have you ever considered just using a paintball gun ? I worked for a mechanic, he had a back lot full of junkers. We'd constantly get people coming to steal scrap, we had a "security guard". And his weapon of choice was a Tippman 98 modded to shoot hard with a mix of pepper and rubber balls. He used it multiple times without getting reported, and every time the poor bastard scrambled out however they got in
It’s good to see you again!
Mike: I realize I wasnt very articulate and you probably want to know what that felt like"
Me: I believe it felt like "ah fuuuuck"
Lol
Ahh you speak dude
Thank you for uploading, was wondering where you were, and you delivered@@hard2hurt
When a guy like Mike can't talk, it's hurting.
@@TimRHillard you've got that right, I've seen him take hits from all of the ones he's done on the channel and this was the only time I've ever seen him speechless.
Real Cartman energy on this one. "Shut up! I do what I want!"
Really well edited and paced vid, gj Mike.
39J meant next to nothing to me, so I looked up some things to compare it to. A .22LR from a rifle is about 180J, a 9mm defensive load will be about 550J, or an arrow fired from a compound bow for hunting will typically be around 100J. The arrow is going to have less energy because the energy calculation square the velocity, so with an arrow's higher mass and lower velocity, it has less energy. The arrow overcomes this by the shape of the arrowhead and momentum.
The takeaway I'm getting is that the pepper balls are going to be miserable to be hit with, and the hard ammo may actually be lethal, depending on where it hits. You definitely don't want one of these hitting you in the head or throat.
“You’ve got some broken ribs, your jaw is wired shut, and we had to remove both your gonads…. But it didn’t kill you!”
Airsoft guns are usually around 1j if that helps put it in context of something you might have been hit with.
49j is roughly the minimum for deadly energy so its close
@@hyperfluous whether or not its lethal depends entirely on the *size* of the projectile. Look up captive bolt research, 68 joules is listed as inneffective stun and 450 joules is often not enough to kill cattle. 100 joules to a human head is probably going to cause some brain damage but they will probably live.
Kinda defeats the prurpose of the "less lethal" thing doesn't it?
Dude. That was legit scary when you went down. Taking one for the team just went to a whole new level!
But he had no objective nor adrenaline pumping probably good for coyotes but humans are unpredictable or will drop like that especially if the mean to harm you how fast can they close the gap before that becomes ineffective
"Cartel ninja assasins, in that case you are screwed anyway" 🤣🤣 this was simply a classic
I just saw a badgecam earlier today where a subject without a shirt was hit with a beanbag round from a shotgun and it penetrated his chest cavity resulting in his death. Fabric layer(s) over soft tissue do spread out the force and tend to prevent/reduce over-penetration, which is likely why he wore a hoodie and t-shirt. Plus his chest hair probably helped, too. 😃I certainly wouldn't want to test this shirtless.
As a teen in the early '80's I had a friend shoot me with my pellet rifle with ten pumps at 100', while wearing a t-shirt, flannel shirt and military jacket.
While it did not penetrate the fabric, it did leave a blackened center with a 2" welt and I was jumping around like a wounded jackrabbit. other areas were protected with plywood.
I know people who were shot with pellets and the pellets got lodged in them and either got pulled out or are still there
Next time on Houston Jones. 😬
Very insightful video. This would be an excellent alternative in circumstances where maybe people have issues with mentally ill/addicted loved ones. Where the loved one is an active threat and escalating and you need a deterrent until law enforcement arrives.
The impact zone is immediately noticeable through the chest hair, I though it had removed skin like a rock salt round would, still immediately noticeable after 4 days.
Bro.. you got some freakin Balls!! I would have never done that..I have one of those Grimburg Gavle,and tested on a piece of 1/2” plywood from about 25 to 30 feet and it went right through it!! I had to stop testing it after the first shot because it’s freakin loud..
I didn’t want the neighbors to call the cops! 😂
Thank you 🙏 tho for taking one for the team! 👍
Great video keep up the good work 🤙🏾
My wife bought me a hard2hurt t-shirt for my birthday. She's a keeper! Also, I'm stoked to see a new gear review.
I havent seen a lot of people take an impact round from the gavle to the chest. I think this will help a lot of people make an informed self defense choice. Thank you for risking your own health. I hope you heal well.
By the way, I love your intro saying how it is for many of us who prefer not to use lethal force. It's important that you included that. Thank you.
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The spice must flow!
I hope Grimburg cut you a HUGE cheque after that! Not because you acted, but because that was an awesome product review.
Love your content. Many thanks.
You covered ALL the bases. That was an enormous amount of information. So much so that I'm considering owning some sort of product like that.
Much appreciated!
"This is going to come as a shock to you, YOU are not the only person on the planet". That delivery was gold. This is the first time I've watched this guy. I'm actually glad he did a live test with multiple layers of clothing. I've been eyeing a gavle for awhile now because I don't want to own a firearm (yes, I am one of those millions of people he spoke of) but want an effective home protection weapon. After watching this video I have 0 questions as to it's effectiveness and will be purchasing one in the near future.
2:05 i’m just the kind of friend you need.
It might work well for law enforcement. They often have people refuse to get out of their vehicles. Penetrate a window that isn't occupied and fill the car with pepperballs.
I can see nothing going wrong with this.
The only downside is the whole "I can't breathe" aspect.
Could be very difficult maintaining forcible restraint on a perp under the conditions some of these pepperballs/spray inflict onto a body and have it hold up in court.
I really DO like the idea tho! Perhaps just a different chemical mix.
Ya great for the fragile ego power hungry men in costumes. That's all we need...
i own two - great for hikes in northern CA - wild critters, dogs and coyotes....just the bang is nice.
Mike! We missed you!
*I used to play paintball and always had a backup hand paintball CO2 shooter tucked in the back of my hip, but for gosh stake it didn't make noises like that! It was mostly quiet like a normal rifle paintball gun is.* *And you can hit a quarter at football length easily with the rifle gun and yes it still hurt like hell.* *Get shot close up and you will have big fat black and blue swollen bruises, even through your protective gears.* *PSI in paintball tournaments are regulated for safety reason.* *If your PSI is set even 1 PSI over, you're DQ.*
I'm definitely in the crowd of I'd love to not kill someone. I like to sleep at night, and it feels like it would change that.
Balanced with the thoughts of your family not having you around to protect them. Sleep well. No worries.
@ 11:14 you had me dying laughing 😂and subscribing at the same dam time. You fucking rock bro. Good job man
Great video as usual. Thanks for always sacrificing your body for us Mike.
I appreciate that you “do what you want” sir. It certainly provides a sense or reality for the things your testing
I had my son shoot me in the stomach with my pepper ball gun using the rubber rounds. I don’t think mine is nearly as powerful as the one you have there but one shot to my belly put me on the ground. Usually my reaction to pain is rage but all I felt was panic and wanted to get as far from it as possible. Told my son if he ever had to use it and it didn’t stop the threat in a couple shots, just run away because it ain’t human lol
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This is by far the most impressive less lethal human demonstration on TH-cam period bottomline. No one dared to get shot by the Grimburg TCP/FSC modified less lethal launcher. But this badass took a shot in the chest, he deserves more subscribers/views. Plus he does have an awesome real self defense life situations
Im purchasing one soon.
As a CBRN instructor in the Forces. That is the BEST description of CS gas lol 4:53 But Icy Mike Kudos
That forest on your chest explains where all the hair on your head went ;)
No but seriously this was a great video. Very educational
10:59 watching a official tough guy like you crumple is proof it hits pretty hard.
imagine what the metal round would do to the head, right over the heart, eyes and teeth 💀
It would be lethal
That was right over the heart
@@chrisboyne5791He crumbled to the floor.
@@chrisboyne5791 mike says he got hit in the right pec 12:20
BOOM! Thanks for doing this. I've owned one of these for several months, and I've been waiting for a live demonstration. Thank you
You often hear stories of people being shot and not even realizing it aside from a warm sensation. Based on your reaction, this thing feels much less lethal and much more deterring.
"But I do what I want." Great for a Tombstone.
How quickly can you ready it? Would you say it's equivalent to carrying a handgun with the chamber empty and having to rack it to ready it? More? Less?
It's almost exactly like that
Assuming you already loaded it, You just have to twist the cylinder to pressurize and you're in business. It literally takes as long as it would take you to close a bottle of water to get the Gavle in a ready state
I had one but it wasn’t vary reliable, after a few shots it started leaking c02
They've improved the o-ring they use now. Take care.
issue with co2 is u gotta have a new canister everytime.... and u gotta fumble with it to activate it..
Its a massive weakness and will surely be an issue for people who don't want to keep changing the co2. Every bb gun i ever had leaked slowly
Bro... your my fucking hero, your wife was so pissed 🤣🤣
I didn't think he would do it.
Mike, in what situations do you recommend this over other non-lethal force options? I'm European and this things still seems overkill to me for 99.9% of situations. Also, can you discuss the effects of this looking like a gun? I think very often it would make people run away, or draw their own gun... Thanks for this great vid!
The ones I talked about in the video... does that help?
Also it looking like a gun is a non issue
@@hard2hurt He is asked why it's better to carry a gun-shaped brick that gets your ass shot instead of a regular pepper spray... does that help?
Good video, thanks. Refreshing view on the "make my day" mentality - even when it's 100% justifiable, dealing with the aftermath of a lethal force shooting is no fun for anyone . Unfortunately, many countries here in Europe also prohibit gas-operated weapons with more than 7.5 Joules of muzzle energy, making this Grimble almost as illegal as an unlicensed firearm.
next, review black powder antique revolvers for "less lethal" home defense.
I don't know anything about them... but I have thought about it.
@@hard2hurt sounds like a great learning opportunity! We just gotta get Pieta to sponsor a video...
Just found this channel and I have already watched multiple of your videos. Great content, keep it up!
1. This can kill someone when loaded with metal projectiles, thus it is lethal force to a jury. (Imagine an eye hit from 3 feet away)
2. It's not orange, it looks like a gun. To an untrained ear, it sounds like a gun. If you pull this on a guy - you just elevated the verbal/fisticuffs fight to a gunfight. When they hear that thing crack off, they're going to assume they're getting shot with a real gun.
Maybe that makes them run away? Maybe it makes them draw a real gun and smoke you.
Its a fantasy for people who don't know anything about real violence and crazy people
This is the PERFECT option for someone like me who lives in Canada, where defending yourself with a firearm can land you in jail. Definitely ordering one of these ASAP!
sorry to tell you dude....theyre illegal here.... if you get one you WILL be charged with owning a restricted firearm...gun laws here suck balls
I cane across this very randomly, i hardly ever subscribe to channels. You got my subscription sir!! Your a solid dude!
It is stupid to make a less than letal weapon identical to a fire arm. I bought the one you reviewed last year which has a flashlight shape… why would you put yourself in danger of being shot by an attacker thinking that you have a firearm? Even the law would protect that attacker is he shoots you
You’re not very bright huh?
Your videos are by far the best. Very informative. To the point. Cordial. I like you, man. Well done.
Well. Defending your house yes, if that's what you want. My house nope. My bedside rifle is a .45/70 and my side arm is a .45. Old school works for me.
People go to prison all the time for using their guns for self defense and killing someone
Would this be good conceal carry for a place like CA where you can't easily get a ccw? Looks like this would work for almost everything but a firearm encounter.
As a travel Xray tech, I cross state lines every few months towing my camper with me. I don’t know where I will go next sometimes and also have to leave on short notice sometimes. I want a self defense tool for my self and “home” that is legal anywhere I go. I’m definitely interested in this.
Dude, the build up and the pay off was perfect. The review was spot on.
I am a senior citizen living in rural idaho, looking after my grandchildren.. my wife has a gavle to keep the kids under control. It worked on my 200lb grandson
3:15 for a moment I thought you were going to try to get the Sheriff to shoot you with it 😂
When doing through the gas house training during the academy we went through CS gas was called Chicken Sh*t Gas. I just received got my Gavle and love it. My biggest concern with other Less Lethal Launchers on the market was stopping power of someone wearing denim or leather jacket. I can tell you getting hit wearing either will stop the attack. The Gavle was built from the ground up making it a rather robust launcher. Remember in most gun encounters a civilian just presenting something looking like a firearm is going to end the issue. Also, it's a launcher so if you need to take your shot, do so, run to safety and call the police because the first one who calls is generally not the one who will go to jail. In this day and age it's better to be armed than not armed but situational awareness is also important. Which means being aware of your surroundings at all times while out in COP language we call it condition yellow. As to the home invasion scenario I'm currently testing out a less lethal launcher which has the ability to send 19 rounds down range at 19 joules or with an upgrade up to 60 joules but this is NOT cheap and is also built from the ground up.
Paradigm
Just put on a winter coat. .68 caliber won’t penetrate that and it’ll provide some padding as well. The hdr50 is what a lot folks play and tinker with. It isn’t recommended for any airgun to left charged with co2. It’ll vary greatly and irregularly depending on outside temperature. If you want more power put it on your dashboard on a warm day for a few minutes then put it in the gun and shoot it. But if it’s colder it’ll drop in velocity greatly.
That was crazy seeing you drop like that. I can't even fathom what it'd be like to have someone panic-firing that thing at you. omg
I appreciate your dedication to your "craft" and to your search for a realistic experience in your effort to provide an honest opinion regarding the effectiveness of these defensive tools.
I have learned so much from the channel and I appreciate how transparent he is.
I'm new to looking at this industry. So far he does seem transparent
20 seconds in and he's already frightened the whole neighborhood 😂😂😂
Any thoughts on the idea of "candy striping" - alternating impact and irritant rounds?
You are a fearless soul and real man, no question about it. I might have to obtain one of these.
since it is an airgun it could probably be made as a "full semiauto" with an external gas tank and a hopper loading mechanism kinda like a paintball gun
Oh dear lord. I want one
The shooter is very skilled, from that distance, not hitting the belly, the heart area or head area, plus the pressure to not hit those areas lol.
Is this better than a shotgun with the first round or two less lethal, then have it increase to 00?
Thats a great question
U took that hit like man. Ty for that. Its very insightful and looks very plausible for serious home defense.
"Finding people willing to shoot me was difficult." - I'm here for you, buddy - just say the word. Eagerly awaiting your next need of willing participants...😉
Love when you test these products. “I do what I want.” Your commentary is entertaining.
fun fact, pepperballs tend to come in .68 and can therefore be launched by any commercial paintball gun, should you pick one with an adjustable gas system you can ramp up the FPS well past the 300 limit they keep for games and you can also set many to full auto. food for thought. grabbing a cheap used speedball gun and hopper and you would be able to unload hundreds of balls in a moment. my old TM7 (woodsball gun) could actually empty a 300 ball hopper in just a few seconds at full BPS, and since break beam eyes are standard you wont have to worry about a chop gassing you out with pepperspray.
add an apex barrel and you can apply and control the amount and direction of spin on the ball and make it curve into cover. its the cheapest shit ever and paintball fields used to ban them from time to time. because it IS pretty ridiculous when you master it. now eliminate the need to necessarily hit the target dead on because "splatter" will incapacitate just as well, and its a BRUTAL crowd control unit
8:35 umarex TR50 with power kit. Reloading clips available and can be stored with co2. When needed slam button to release co2 into weapon.
I believe that the TR50 doesn't shot at nearly 40 Jules, even with a power kit
I’m sure someone else has said it, but I would alternate the rounds between kinetic and CS that way you’re hitting them with the best of both so three kinetic and two CS thats stopping just about anybody
Bro you took that like a real hairy chested man from me and all like us we tip our hat to you sir
the Umarex T4E HDP50 will give you the same effect with a power kit. Loved the video. That looks like a great product!
I have both and I upgraded the HDP50. It is nowhere near as poweful as the Gavle. I averaged about 15J with my HDP50 and 36.5 with my Gavle.
I really appreciated your explanation as to why a large portion of the population may not want to use lethal force. Myself I would prefer to have both
The speed at which I clicked on this 😂 I’ve been craving a new hard2hurt video
TH-cam thinks I should watch this video, so I watch it.. then the man said - "But I do what I want.." with the fervour and tenacity I usually use internally and aloud, with that being said.. Auto subbed, glad to be aboard sir
Exactly the kind of review I have been looking for on the Gavle. There is no comparison between this and the Byrna, but I think I still wanna hold out for the Grimburg Solstice. Great video review!
When is he releasing the Solstice? Lol
Glad I caught this video in my feed. I am one of those people who doesn't want a firearm. Since I live in GA, I have become comfortable with the open carry I see, so to each his own. I have been in the market for one of these and have seen many different reviews. This one might be it for me. Great video and presentation, will be watching more of yours for sure. ☮
Youre one tough dude, 39 joule with that round in the chest is borderline insane. But you answered alot of questions with this one. Byrna LE is much faster to get working (just pull trigger once) and would be the one id go for for daily carry etc for that reason, but it also have i believe around half the joules. Their chemical rounds are said to be very effective which makes up for that though. I think these are great for both home defence and on the street but even more so on the street since you can just run away there, its not so easy at home.
Byrna vs umarex tp50 vs Grimburg Gavle vs Sabre pepper projectile launcher vs Salt Supply S2, how do they compare? which one was the most reliable? Which one did the most damage to the assailant?
Wow! Thanks for taking one for the team! That was serious! Just subscribed 😉
“Finding people willing to shoot me with it was really difficult…”
Mike, let me introduce you to your TH-cam commenters 😂
My daughters were also willing.
Thanks for taking the hit. I own one and never thought I would see a person volunteer to take a shot!!
Three other points:
Yes it is loud. Gun shot loud for the first shot at least. That alone will scatter people, but could also prompt an armed bad guy to return fire.
Could lead to a heavy police response too, that could go sideways against you!
And don't forget, if you live in a thin walled apartment building, this may be a better option for some who are concerned with bullets
flying into the next apartment!(Civil suit! Yikes)
Lastly, heavy clothing in colder environments. You have to be aware of that too. Would be interesting to see how effective heavy clothing is at blunting
the impact of the kinetics projectiles.
Are you imagining a scenario where a bad guy has a gun, but wasn't going to use it on you until he realized you had a gun? Like a bad guy that only uses reasonable force?
@@hard2hurtI keep seeing these kinds of comments (the OPs), and it's hilariously sad😂