When Should You Fight Back During a Robbery?
ฝัง
- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 30 ก.ย. 2024
- Check out Smith and Bradley's complete line of watches at
In this video I break down the infamous knife kick during The Ultimate Self Defense Championship on @MartialArtsJourney. We also talk about the decision to comply or fight back against an armed robber with John from @ActiveSelfProtection and Craig Douglas from www.shivworks.com
Online courses on martial arts and self defense: hard2hurt.teach...
Get hard2hurt merch here!
shop.hard2hurt.com
Please consider supporting hard2hurt and get exclusive content available only on Patreon.
/ icymikep
Follow Mike:
Facebook: / icymikep
Twitter: / icymikep
Instagram: / icymikep
My Kit: www.kit.co/icym...
Podcast: icymike.podbea...
DISCLAIMER: This video and description contain affiliate links, which means that if you click on them, hard2hurt receives a small commission. This helps support the hard2hurt channel and allows us to continue to make videos like this. Thanks for supporting us and stay hard2hurt.
Music:
Title Song is Lying Low
Royalty Free music by www.contimusic...
Check out Smith and Bradley's complete line of watches at www.avantlink.com/click.php?tool_type=cl&merchant_id=c0194b7a-7bb7-438d-9e98-73f9e2236849&website_id=0ca7f891-690f-4f81-a44f-42190b5d7c79&url=smithandbradley.com/
Dude's knifeyboy kung fu antics in the background during the promotional segment were the best thing I've ever seen on your channel... he deserves a watch!
But you lose the ability to do the "fake-look-at-phone" move when you have a watch
Ok.
Is the level of getting hurt still the same? I could see somebody that comply getting smacked around a bit while in the other 2 situations, especially shooting someone, the injuries escalating.
If think it's a nice info to have if somebody can get it, what is the "getting hurt" in the statistics used? The % of light, serious, fatal injury or something along those lines could make us even better informed.
Hey mike, you should ask Larry Lawton. He's an ex-professional thief. He's robbed a bunch of people and he has a TH-cam channel.
I can still hear Jeff Chan super upset that everyone else just handed over money. Haha.
And then we didn't get to hear his response to Mike kicking it out of his hand!
Jeff probably gave the money. He looks sane 😂
@@seetsamolapo5600 watch
@@seetsamolapo5600 nah bro squared up. It was glorious
Not everyone did - some got stabbed
One big takeaway from the interview with Craig: if you choose to fight back, fight a 100%. If you choose to comply, do so a 100%. Going halfway might get you hurt.
This is it. All or nothing.
@@ananda_miaoyin no more half measurs
Well technically choosing any action might get you hurt anyway, but going halfway gets you hurt even more.
To sum it up. COMMIT!
Can you meet me half-way? Right at the borderline
That's where I'm gonna wait, for you
My grandfather had pretty good advice for my dad that he passed to me. “If someone pulls a weapon and demands your stuff, pull your wallet out, throw it behind them, and run the opposite way. If they really want your shit, they’ll go after that instead of you.” And it worked for me two times when I was a teenager.
Good advice. Unfortunatelly, I dont think there is a formula that would work 100% of the time. I knew of a woman that wss getting her car robbed and she was shot and killed out of frustration because she threw the car keys behind the robber.
@@ignacioorozco9919 no doubt. Like I said it only worked twice and that’s cause I was on the street, and I had room to escape. The other two times, I was cornered and gave my stuff up and prayed the guy wouldn’t shoot.
@@mrblaque215 what a shitty situation to find yourself in. I have also been held at gunpoint a few times and I just did exactly as I was told. I did gave up all my stuff but I was lucky nothing else happened.
@@ignacioorozco9919 very shitty situation. Unless you’re armed to the teeth and have the opportunity to use your weapons with the element of surprise, you pretty much have to use your head and do whatever you need to survive.
Haha time for my decoy wallet!!!!
1:41 Mike is so big now that he has a background dancer for his sponsorship segment.
I said Eric just stand back there and play with the knife... and he did it exactly right lol.
@@hard2hurt I have to say; I loved this video's content and its message... but that stuff in the background was the icing on the cake. Eric just won the internet today
Pleeease… That’s not just daaaancing: That is interpretative dance ! Give credit to where credit is due!
Yes! 😂
Gotta love the contemporary knife kungfu lololol
I live in Brazil so I dont know how it is in america, but in Brazil, if someone tries to rob you with a knife or a gun, almost 100% of the time the guy who is trying to rob you has at least one more guy waiting just in case, meaning resisting will almost always result in being jumped by at least one more guy so I would say resisting is always th riskier choice, although according to the numbers in this video it looks like it is somehow different in america
My Brazilian friend told me the scariest thing you can see in Brazil is "two guys on a motorcycle" . it always ends up poorly lol
@@user-dt8cn9gw9wBrazil too does not have real poverty .
Brazil is a high income country .
@@bobfaam5215go to the favela and tell them that
In US they might shoot you after they robbed you.
I found it interesting that when the Olympics were held in Brazil, for all of the crime, there were no Islamist terror attacks. Most attributed that to the excellent security. I don't. I attribute it to the fact that apparently, the favelas of Rio were too rough even for ISIS!
I was robbed working the night shift at a convenience store. Now that's a bit different, it's more impersonal than somebody robbing your wallet. They wanted the register, not my own stuff. But I also got this impression that they were trying to be focused and sharp. You know like they were trying to be professional. That actually felt good. The dude in charge kept his distance, told me to open the register, to step back while he pulled the whole tray out and handed it to the other guy across the counter. No crazy eyes or pistol-whipping or anything that'd make me think I'd get shot for no reason. And also no stupid openings that would make me think fighting was an option. Special case, I know. I know people who got beaten and tied to a radiator in the back, and I can only imagine how that must feel. But my robbery, that was easy.
I love the series but I think these after-action breakdowns are super valuable and informative
This is the best self defense video I've ever seen, and your undercover friend is a good person. "Work at a soup kitchen if you're afraid of homeless people" as a therapist, that's the best advice. We can it exposure therapy. Also don't carry a gun if you're not well adjusted. 👏🏽
His name is Craig Douglas (nicknamed "Southnarc"), he's been featured a couple times on this channel but he is considered one of the "big names" in the industry. Specifically, his Extreme Close Quarter Concepts and Edged Weapons Overview courses are probably the best educational resources in the world on being able to draw a gun while fighting another human (who might also be trying to draw their gun, it's also where they do a car scenario based on the experience Craig described), and fighting and controlling someone who has a knife respectively. Guy has a wealth of knowledge and is an overall gem of a human being.
As a scammer you mean
@@VonRibbitt you should explain that comment if you have information on a scam
Yes, my experience of homeless people and other 'street-life' is that they're reasonable and friendly if you are.
😀
But, most of these folks are not mentally stable, so if you do something that irks them...
their mental state can flip real quick. 🤬
@@BWater-yq3jx They definitely fall into the category of people that "won't show you [their] best until you prove you can handle [their] worst", that's for darn sure!
Hardest mf in the room's advice on armed robberies: "Volunteer at a soup kitchen". Excellent vid.
That's a great takeaway.
Although the rate of injury may go from 25% to 18% in the comply vs fight back scenario, I wonder if the severity of injury changes as well.
If the 25% rate of injury is 90% a punch to the gut versus 18% rate of injury being 70% chance of being stabbed in the side, the calculus changes even further.
That was my first thought too. Would really like to see the stats on it.
This was making me wonder as well. “Injury” is too vague
Yeah, type of injury, maybe 25% is a better call
i also want to know the numbers of reactions that lead to death vs comply that lead to death os the victim.
Really it should have ended with- Only fight if they look like they are going to attack you anyways or try to take you to another location.
There are not many other situations where it is a good idea to fight back especially since you are not likely to have hundreds of hours of training in this specific area and if there is more than 1 robber you are completely screwed.
After seeing what Mike did in the latest episode of Ultimate Self Defence Championship I'm eagerly awaiting a zombie apocalypse self defence video.
Yikes... so much to cover.
@@hard2hurt i feel like you were the most badass one there.
I also think that as the leader of both groups you took the risk, and in the end it turned out like it did. But because you were alone.
If it were a 1v1v1v1v1v1 i have no doubts that you'd be the most capable.
But you also mighy die because some dumb shit like "let's capture one".
I also fully expected you to arm the civillians and have them as a meat shield
I dunno though… head kicks and zombies sounds like an absolute riot. Sure it may seem cheesy on the surface but It could easily turn into a serious discussion almost solely because you love that stiff front kick for creating space, Mike. Choosing where to kick that zombie is life or death…
That episode looked fun, but it seems like Mike's leadership ended up getting everything it touched killed. 🤣
I’d just watched a video of some Somali guys invading The mayor’s office in Mogadishu. Those guys WHERE zombies. They’ve been shot many times and bled profusely, but continued to go ahead. Drugs turn normal people into zombies! Never forget that !
I lost my dad to an armed robbery when I was a year old. He chose to fight back and he lost. It wasn’t a knife, but a single 25 cal bullet to the temple.
Im with the opinion that for self defense, being in an armed society is tactically advantageous. But its strategically disadvantageous to be in that armed society. Im from a third world country where guns are illegal to own. Guns went underground (obviously) and only became the worry of gangs and police. Almost no one is risking their neck at the gallows for petty crime with small money. Civilians dont have to worry about guns used on them. So for low profile cases, its at most just knives or machetes. And that can be mitigated by a random plastic chair, or a table, or a plank. Its easy to understand that criminals just dont want to deal with all that. Thats why our robberies are in the form of snatch thefts instead of gunpoint robberies. As a civilian, I think better lose a handbag and only able to watch it go, than dying to a finger twitch by some robber high on adrenaline. Comparing stats on nationmaster it says that the murder rate per capita in the USA is 83% more than mine. Btw have I mentioned my country is a third world country?
@@de0509 mind sharing which country?
@@4xdblack oh sure. Im from Malaysia. We have among the strictest gun laws. Civilians know that criminals most probably dont have guns, so we know we always have a chance. Cops know we civilians probably dont have guns so theyre not on edge 24/7. Still pigs whereever they are on earth, but they dont treat us like a threat. We dont have cases where people get shot for reaching for ID, or getting shot for talking on the phone. Im not against the American 2nd amendment. I enjoy what american gun culture bring to the world. Plus, theres no way to reverse it. But theres pros and cons in everything. The only good reason to have guns is as a way to threaten corrupt governments. No more no less. The cons of it is, then, everyone gets a gun, even if theyre scummy.
@@de0509 thanks for sharing!
@@de0509 The criminals also know that most people DON'T have firearms so they are easier targets.
Your man in the background pulling focus away from the sponsor with his slick knife moves. 😂
That was hilarious. 😂
😂😂
My question about the 25% full compliance versus 18% committed resistance injury rates is whether there was a trend of severity of injury.
Like you get a 7% reduced injury rate but do you increase your likelihood of that injury being potentially fatal?
Basically are armed robbers who are resisted more likely to escalate to lethal force than those that are complied with?
That statistic is pretty useless on it's own. There are far too many unknown factors.
Were they crying and making a fuzz? Complying but being too slow? Mouthing off? Did the robber have a bias against them? Does age factor in? Race? Were they handing over things of high enough perceived value? What motivated the robber into the situation in the first place? Etc, etc, and so on and so on.
A "gangsta" who wants to rob the preppy kid who took the wrong street home from school is very different from the meth-head with withdrawals who is desperate for $50 for their next fix.
Had to scroll waaaaay too deep down to finally find someone who stated the REAL question here...
Yeah, I was honestly kinda upset with the statistic being brought up the way it was. Not only was the type of injury way too vague, it also didn’t mention death at all, despite the fact that that is the ONLY real statistic of consequence here. This paints an entirely misleading picture imo.
@@Buphido I wouldn't say that's the only real statistic of consequence given how many points there are on the spectrum of head and spinal injuries between "harmless" and "dead", many of which are still a far far far far worse quality of life
I have heard lots of stories of people in Brazil getting killed by fighting back in a robbery. I was robbed by 3 guys with foot long butcher knives and I raised my hands and let them rob me and walked away. Robbers usually have 2 or 3 guys.
The solution is to only move in fire team+ sized elements. They wouldn't have had a chance if you had 3 more good guys and an LMG.
(That is sarcasm)
That was something that speaks volumes that I’ve never heard before and that makes sense beyond anything I’ve heard in "self defence" anything. If you’re being moved to a secondary crime scene it’s always going to be bad news.
My best friend lost both his arms during an arm robbery.
he should have legged it.
how?
Shot?
@anon2034 couldn’t’ve been. Robber was un armed. Probably not for long, after, though.
Were they strong arms?
You can tell you spent a lot of time working with wrestlers, I was really impressed watching the ultimate self defense challenge I didn't know your grappling skills were that good 😊
Icy Mike + shivworks + ASP is the most anticipated collab since the Avengers. 😂😂
You have NO control of other people's actions. In my youth I experienced two situations on each side of the spectrum. 1. My father and I were robbed at knife point by 4 guys, when in a bus. The guys put 3 knives around his neck. He gave up his ring, and that was the end of it. 2. Two guys followed a young guy on the bus I was in. One took the students' gold necklace, and the other waved a gun around threatening everyone. They got off the bus, which was not moving due to a traffic jam; the one with the gun walked by my window, which was slightly opened, and they shot the victim who was sttanding. There was no reason for that. Luckily, the bullet hit him on the shoulder blade... again, no control
the victim that was shot, can you remember if they were looking at the robbers?
@@driver3899 everybody was, I think the criminal wanted to teach the victim a lesson for trying to avoid the robbery by getting on the bus
congratulations on 500 k!!!! wooooooo!!! awesome creative advertisement btw
Thanks man... race ya to 1 mil!
Hey Mike, if you were in a Zombie apocalypse, and you killed a kid who wasnt actually a zombie. Wouldnt the ethical thing be to harvest the good meat??? Me and my roommate are arguing about it, i said you would absolutely turn canibal in an apocalypse no food situation. He says you wouldnt. How Icy are you Mike??? Hahaha
She was a zombie.
Cool to see you making a video about this. I remember taking krav maga back in the day and they would always say to just give them your wallet if they want that but the gun/knife defenses were only for if you felt like they were going to kill you anyway.
I couldn't help but always think "okay but how do I know??"
Great stuff as always
I WNANA A
Frankly, even if you don't have the kind of life experiences like these guys do, you still will have lots of experience with people. So, trust your gut. It's pretty much the single best piece of self-defence advice there is.
@@jamielondon6436 There's a book by Gavin de Becker called the Gift of Fear that says more or less this: In a time of extreme stress, your fear instinct will cause your subconscious mind to assess and formulate a plan of action faster than your conscious mind can process it. He says just let that instinct guide you; don't overthink it or try to second-guess it, worry whether you're "overreacting" or being rude, etc.
@jamielondon6436 I agree on that. Just wanted to remind you on the movement to a secondary crime scene. That's what I heard a lot and at that point I would say compliance is not your best bet.
I’m a police officer that has been in martial arts since I was about 14. I’ve always been attracted to it all. Sport and self defense. However the self defense has always been way more appealing. This video was wildly entertaining to watch. The statistics and real life encounters was great.
As a police officer. What have you seen as more affected with defense on criminals in different situations?
I am glad to hear that an officer actually trains... often times it is very insulting to a well trained, well intentioned citizen like me to be treated like A child by a man who i could kill 3 ways in 3 seconds... not saying that I have that intention... but police must stop acting like the "real man" to people who have suffered things that would break the officer and cease talking down to people who who make short work of them in either sport or warfare.
My dad told me some of his fight stories including 1 where he was getting mugged. But he grew up a black man in the 70s n 80s and had school fights, bar fights, tried to get into boxing. When he was getting mugged, from behind, he fought back by being smart, slick, and aggressive. He told me this happened after my parents divorced and we were supposed to come visit that weekend. He won that altercation without injury, but it was also a knife, not a gun.
cool story bro
He grew up a black man. This implies that he transitioned into a white middle aged guy? Or did it happen naturally? Maybe like this fish species that starts out as female and grows into a male. Can i become less mixed?
Haven't watched the video yet. Don't need to. NO OBJECT IS WORTH YOUR LIFE.
"...or rescuing the president's daughter, like the bad dude that you are." 😂 NOT MIKE CALLING OUT THE LEON COSPLAYERS (ME) 😭🤣
Or it's a reference to the 1988 Data East arcade game "Bad Dudes vs. Dragon Ninja."
Just watched the third episode (spoilers below obv)
The zombie survival was your episode, you were badass. Some stuff looked like scenes out of an action movie, especially when you got your solo run after merking your teammates like that- not gonna lie you reminded me a lot of the Last Ronin Mikey
Don't worry Mike, that little girl had it coming!
They ‘ve tried to rob me several times and I believe that the best thing you can do for self defense is train “ANYTHING” that keeps you outside of fishy places and focused.
1st time; at the entrance of an arcade. Tried to rob my phone, but they desisted ( I guess there were a lot of witnesses and they idiots. I complied with that one…but still got to keep my stuff.
2nd time; on my way to college through a “shortcut”, 2 18 yo gipsy kids tried to rob me while their “big 30yo brothers checked up on them”… one got his hand inside my pocket and tried to take my phone out.
Grabbed his hand and managed to distract him until someone from a nearby built threatened to call the cops and they let me go un harmed and with all my stuff.
3rd time; A bunch of bastards decided to rob me and a guy I had met in a bar( he clearly had some nasty business with them), They got him to go outside and tried to convince me of going, I was having a drink, so I gave it to the guy that was trying to get me outside while I asked for another 2 drinks… he rushed the drink and tried to push me outside, to which I handed him the next one, and the the next, (we talk about a tube glass of whiskey), after the 3 cups in 10 seconds, he decided to leave 😂 and I stayed safe for the night.
4th time; I was in a bar with a friend and a guy tried to touch me and kiss me. I pushed him away and contours to drink my beer… next thing I remember Is waking up in my bed. Called my friend and he confirmed that everything was ok, he had taken me home, but clearly I had been drugged with mean intentions.
5th time; 5 big ass bastards surrounded me and asked “ what time is it” and took my phone ( another reason to have a watch); but it was so old that they gave it back ( they almost give me some money as they left 😂.
Form all those situations, ALL could have been avoided if I would have not been in those places.
There are bad people everywhere, but it is best to keep yourself as far from them as you can.
That's I pretty much always say, the two main thing to learn in self-defence are :
1°) Avoid notoriously fishy places if you don't have serious business here, especially late, and if you have no real choice, don't carry anything of valor, or avoid looking like a walking cash-machine, or avoid doing stupid things, like wearing a shirt of the wrong team at the wrong place (I'm french, here you should NEVER wear a Paris Saint-Germain football/soccer team shirt if you go to Marseille, it can get you in real trouble).
2°) The first thing you should train in self-defence is being able to sprint at full speed for about one or two minutes... agressors are usually lazy, they don't expect or want things to get difficult for them, if you manage to escape and run away, it's unlikely that they'll run after you for more than a minute or two, especially if it makes them stepping out of their safety zone.
Bonus 3°) Never respond to some nobody calling you just sitting there in the street, waiting for who knows what (especially if they are a bunch of nobodies)... especially if you're not somewhere familiar, if they want to know what's the time, a cigarette or a dime, they won't need you anyway, and as it is said in this video, and it's a very important thing, NEVER follow someone fishy into another "quieter" place, even if you already know you're being in an agression, once you're in the spider's web, you're dead, it's better to get a couple of punches and kicks in plain sight, if it happens, than taking the risk of much worse where nobody can see, hear or help you... as I mentioned earlier, most agressors are lazy... and cowards, most of the time they won't insist if things don't turn the way they wanted, they want an easy job, if they feel like you can give them quite a hard time, they most likely won't insist.
As someone who has been stabbed. If you genuinely feel like you’re being threatened, and have the competency to jump. Jump and jump hard.
Bright side is, even if you get poked once, you’ll beat the brakes off em in the end
Back in like 2019 I got robbed at gunpoint by 3 dudes in a pickup truck in broad daylight, in front of an elementary school. Long story short I gave them the backpack I was wearing which luckily didn't have much in it. Afterwards when word spread about it some of my friends/people I knew would say things like "nah i wouldn't have given them anything" or "see this is why you need a gun". A sentiment I also see in the comments and just in general online.
I think one thing people dont realize is how fast these situations unfold, and how often the cards are stacked against you. Even with the power of hindsight that let me pick up on some of the cues before the robbery, there wasn't much I could do to avoid that. They were in a truck, I was on foot in the suburbs with no immediate escape routes. They had 3 dudes with guns, so even if I was armed the chances are I lose that exchange. And once they actually decided to pull up, it was like less than a 5 second ordeal to give them my stuff before they were gone.
Your talk with Craig Douglas should be required watching for every person.
Really good video, great content - Always good to hear professionals giving their opinion based on experience. By the way, that doesn't mean that every professional will have worthwhile things to say FOR YOU, your own circumstances as a civilian are different in terms of training and probably in terms of potential risk.
As to the difficult question of Comply vs Resist. For years I've taught that 'Everything is situational' by which I mean that every situation is unique and you should have as much training in different scenarios as possible, but even then reality is nothing like practice for 99.9% of people and attacks. However I do TOTALLY agree with the warning about second location - on that one the evidence clearly shows that complying with an attacker's 'request' to go somewhere else is NOT NOT NOT something that is a good idea to go along with.
Secondly, I say that whatever you do, irrespective of the outcome, you are doing the best you can in the moment and you should respect yourself for that. And assuming you survive (irrespective of any trauma or injuries you may suffer) then you did the right thing and you should congratulate yourself move on (and yes, I know that's one of those glib things that's easy to say but damn difficult to do).
As they used to say in 'Hill Street Blues' - "Be careful out there". :)
This is lifesaving stuff Mike. Very needed!
Next video - how to effortlessly kill a child if you suspect that a zombie bite is involved.
For me, I say if it looks like the guy wants to kill you or send you to the hospital, fight him.
If he just wants your stuff, give it to him.
The knife kata on the background 😂😂😂😂😂
you cannot choose to not be a victim. if someone is trying to rob you, you already are the victim. fighting back doesnt make you not a victim
I’m fairly certain that knife fighting over sponsored goods is a scout badge.
Ive been into a sharp weapon situation multiple times already luckily i got out alive not fighting back is a smart tactic
75% is great odds for gambling.
Yeah man, Did everyone copy Ramsey Dewey or what? LOL Dude in the background doin Katas while you sell the watch was hilarious!
We didn't know what the people before us did.
@@hard2hurt Cool! Oh, And you kicked the crap out of that padded knife guy! He didn't want any more of you! LOL
So dude in the beginning who looked like a boxer ended up losing his life because he thought he could use his training to disarm the homeless man holding a knife. I wouldn't recommend going hand to knife, no matter how training you may have or think you have. Just because someone trains doesn't mean they can apply it in the real world. Most martial artists train for competition which is much different when trying to apply it to save your life. They dont really know how to fight dirty...they fight with honor. Just saying, don't go losing your life because you think...oh he has a knife, but I can take him.
That's interesting to see two older ex cops talking about problems with memories in sh00ting situations. And yet you see other cops beating the hell out of a victim because they can't remember something perfectly instantly every time!! ZERO empathy for regular people!
Yes, good catch on the stats.
Always gotta be aware of associated factors and correlation vs causation.
VERY likely that people who fight back have a strong mindset &/or relevant training.
Hey Mike, could you link to the studies that were cited during the first interview? I'm really curious how they got that data. Did they interview victims? Did they ask witnesses? Did they go through police reports? Etc. Etc.
^^^
This
I think the internet has saved a lot of young men from being stabbed or shot. What I mean by this is that I'm barely old enough to remember the time before online access was prevalent and people would watch movies of action heroes saying smug lines when they had a gun to their head. Then they would judo flip the bad guy on his face and catch their weapon. Of course in real life it's not so smooth but the 15 year old me would probably have felt confident about going against a knife because that's what I saw in the movies and at a certain age you feel immortal.
now we have a lot of smug content creators that will tell you one weird trick that does much the same thing
Had a tweaker in a circle K parking lot, straddling a bicycle, tell me he was going to pull out his knife if I didnt give him my money. As soon as he said that I gave him 100% palm in the nose. He stumbled,tripped over his bike and just stared at me. A kid standing at the Redbox saw the knockdown and started yelling ooooohhh! worst robber ever and personal highlight reel moment 😂
Great insight and options for controlling the weapon. We played around with this in class this week
Ive robbed people.. ill say this.. anyone who has any sense is going to adhere to the 21 foot rule(well, an approximation of) with a firearm. A knife? Thats a tough one. You have to get close. Then again, the people ive robbed complied and it was over revenge. It wasnt some random act.
As a person whose been strongly skeptical of gun ownership for a long time (less rigidly so nowadays), the way the expert who spoke at the NRA framed things triggered a bunch of my red flags for violence statistics. I'm sure the man is as seasoned and respectable as you present him as--nothing against him.
You end the video on the "always and never" dichotomy but I take issue with the "get hurt" outcome of the robbery response.
What is "getting hurt" when I comply? A pistol whip? Death?
What is "getting hurt" when I resist unarmed? A pistol whip? Death?
What is "getting hurt" when I go force-on-force? You get the point.
Coming from my angle, it's probably not a surprise that I have issues with the NRA as an organization. It's not just them, of course, but they're notorious for separating suicide from "gun deaths" in their statistics and doing other sleight of hand with numbers to make things seem more or less good or bad than they actually are.
Simplifying this situation to "get hurt" seems like a bit of a leap. When is getting hurt "bruised", "seriously injured", or straight-up "dead?"
Either way--it is splitting hairs--but I think that's a fair thing to consider regarding these numbers.
If you are reading this, hey Mike (or whoever is helping him)! I sent a Facebook Message and an email to the most recent address I could find. I'm living abroad and will be returning to The States in May. I will likely commute between two states to spend time with my family and there might be a reasonable chance for me to make a pit stop in South Carolina. Would love to train with you, grab a meal together, or even just meet and greet. Really appreciate what you do with the channel and respect your perspective and insight on things.
Cheers!
Yeah when it comes to firearm statistics (and a lot else) the NRA is sketchy AF.
Ask Larry Lawton, hes a ex-professional theif, Hes robbed a bunch of people, and he has a youtube channel. Hes also has that hard2hurt hair cut.
I just feel like there are a lot of robbery scenarios where complying just hast to be the best option. If someone is using a gun and is semi competent, keeping their distance and ask you to throw your stuff over or something then why should I play around with that. Or if multiple people come at you holding knives and what not.
I guess if you are in the states and get a concealed carry license and you wanna train your fast pull so you can try to gun the robbers down then sure maybe that'll work but damn, I'm not so sure it's my cup of tea.
Mindset. If you train real hard in CQC, your mind is geared to fight. Hard to give up your stuff, even against a knife.
Do a collaboration with Larry Lawton! He's robbed a ton of people. (Probably not actually applicable, but I would still love to see that video)
6:29
"You ever rob anybody? "
*hesitation*
"No"
X for doubt 👀
Great to see the GOAT John on the channel!
Robbery..i dont know but if it is kidnapping. You must fight back, it doesnt end well in kidnap case
I was accosted once and asked for money. (No weapon presented) I don’t know what it was but like the officer’s story I felt like something was off. I just started talking to myself at the top of my lungs like I was nuts and the guy backed off immediately.
I've been robbed several times (late night pizza shop life) complied once fought twice.. I only regret the complied. They went on to hurt elderly people with their next robbery.
Adding to the wait your turn thing, I know a friend who was held at knifepoint (dont want to disclose details but it was not a robbery) and had their attacker sit on them. Their attacker set down the knife for a second, as soon as they did that they flipped their attacker over and beat the shit out of them before running out of the house. If they fully complied I'm not sure if they'd still be alive. Likewise if they fought right away well... knowing them theyd be alive but with a few more scars on their body. So yeah be smart
The President has been kidnapped by ninjas. Are you a bad enough dude to rescue the president?
Damn Skippy!
I'M BAD 👊 🔥
Was that a reference to Bad Dudes vs. DragonNinja? That would be insane
Craig Douglas is a breath of fresh air in the community
That Bad Dudes reference was rad.
I didn't think the knife kick was a fluke at all. I have a saying with my guys -- "strike your way into and out of every clinch."
Great discussion with Craig Douglas. The idea that you should have to work a soup kitchen before you're allowed to carry a gun (while probably not constitutional) is a really good one.
That kung fu knife technique going on in the background is *chef's kiss*
Hello from Greece the knife guy is dangerous if he knows how to use it or not
There's a youtuber by the name of jay Williams, reformed ex con, maybe see if he can point you to someone for a viewpoint on being the aggressor, also his view on confrontations in prison might be helpful. But I love your vids, keep up the great work!!
Have a money clip with a 1$ bill wrapped around toilet paper. "Here! This is all I have!". If he demands more, the fight is on!
Well let the guy rob you, then when his back is turned, give him all you've got. I dunno, I have never been robbed at knifepoint but I did have a stand off once with a robber who I thought might have a knife, I just yelled and yelled at him till he eventually backed off.
if you comply, you are probably not reporting it 😮
The BJS study referenced is a little more nuanced than what red polo guy quoted. The study separates armed robberies into muggings (surprise attack) and confrontational robberies (threat issued). Victims who found back against confrontational robbers armed w/ handguns were more likely to get injured than if they didn't fight back. I don't want people to get the false idea that they are less likely to get hurt if they fight back against someone with a gun.
Interesting you said this because that’s what my intuition told me if you broke this down further there’s a lot more nuance to it and that nuance might show to comply in certain situations and maybe fighting back in other scenarios and recognizing which scenario you’re in.
cant give the dude your watch. respect.
Thank you for linking up with Active Self Protection. You 2 are my favorite channels
I really like the idea of putting effort into being more socially adjusted. Too many people are trying to become living weapons before developing themselves as people so they know how to properly apply that power.
"Stop thinking, 'always and never."" This right here.
One of the best or just the best of your videos, and since in my view your channel is one of the best self defense ones it makes it one of the best videos on YT.. :D
What I like about your explanations is that usually you don't give a definitive answer but provide a background to find different solutions in different circumstances.
Oh, and you were and are totally wrong about expandable batons :D
One important thing: You can prevent it from happening to begin with. Situational awareness, and social/emotional intelligence.
Could've kicked the knife in to his eye - not cool
I love this video. Very informative!
I have been subbed to ASP for a long time, never missing a video. Recently this year I started watching H2H. Glad you and John got connected.
You guys have made me want to make a career of it and help spread the awareness to more people. It’s a new idea and I haven’t much background in it but give me a few years… my community needs an indoor shooting range and I think a firearms school, shooting range, and a gym/grappling gym all in one facility would be a pretty sweet option for people who really want to commit to being prepared for self defense encounters.
You can survive a knife attack but not a zombie apocalypse.
Dudeeeeee!!!! Seeing this crossover with John from ASP is so awesome. Two of my favorite channels, but didn't realize you two ever collabed!
great insights!
the fighting against knife in a friendly sparring usually is very different to real life scenario tho. In sparring , when you are "attacker" you know, that this "knife" is literally useless, so there is no need to really fight for it or to build your whole strategy around it.
In real life that knife is life and death question for both parties, last thing to lose, last thing to give up. Unless they don`t really want to use it, which is also a case in some scenarios.
Okay, when should you fight back during a robbery? If your name is Jack Benny. "Your money or your life."......I'm thinking...."
"It is not always or never." Excellent. "Sell your certainty and buy bewilderment." - Rumi.
Both are excellent advice in so many situations. New to this channel. Seems like good place. See you again. Cheers! And thank you. Liked.
Request, do a follow up video on this addressing the “throw the wallet away” advice
Yeah thats a great idea
I suspect its worthwhile though because its what CIA operatives and SF commonly do
Im new to the channel and approached the different perspectives, but am i spoilt for wanting your genius friend to give his views depending each situation?😬☺
when he turns his back to flee, a little dark thing should appear in the back of his ykw. Put your arms up around your face, get your stuff back and walk away., and go live in the bush, outside of the US for a few years. When there AINT any more robbers, there wont BE any more robberies. Understand?
Two real life occasions, one in LA one in Chicago. I reacted instinctinctively, both times "wrongly", but each time came out ahead BY LUCK. Both times my situational awarenes meter was stupidly turned off.
Folks... what if YOU CAN'T RUN? That is you are lame for any number of reasons? Then you cannot run and thus.. fight or submit. Since I live in Sparta, I mean Texas, I can pack heat and there are lots of gun ranges to practice on... hint hint. But yes, if you are gonna fight.. push in all your chips and don't stop for nuthen!
And memo folks: If they have that knife extended and let you back up a step or two.. pull your J .38 from the appendix position under your t-shirt and give 'em the contents thereof. Works here in Spar.. I mean Texas.
Favorite thing from episode 2 is mike kicking a knife out of dude's hand... when he was the one who is most skeptical of being able to... even if it was just luck and circumstance..
I have many applicable anecdotes that have happened to friends, family, and myself over the years that very accurately reflect this point. Here's one you might enjoy.
A few years back I was in a not so great area of my hometown- Albuquerque, NM.. remember Breaking Bad? Of course you do, that's us 😊, the area is referred to as the "South Valley".. very old part of town, very poor, lots of homeless, super gang infested, criminal/junkie/meth-head playground, lots of mentally unstable people, very dark (literally there are like no working street lights down there).. Oh and it happened to be about 4-4:30am. So I had just pulled up and parked in the cul-de-sac of a poorly lit dead end street, waiting to pick up my buddy for an early shift. Upon arrival I called him to let him know I was there n he said he would be right out giving me the false security to think it was safe to unlock my passenger door. A minute or two later n I see the dark shape of a man at my door, n since my friend had just said "be right there" I assumed it was him- yeah, surprise! I was way wrong lol. This complete stranger jumps in my truck n for .02 sec I thought it was my buddy but after a real quick second look I immediately went into WTF Mode and drew the pistol I kept stashed just under my steering wheel n pointing it straight away into this guy's face giving him some very loud and clear instructions to vacate my vehicle if he at all valued his life.. and to my utter dismay this guy just starts demanding money and drugs from me as if the pistol pointed at him wasnt even there. So I repeat my order to 'GTFO or Die' and again its ignored. Now at this point Im genuinely perplexed since this guy was not at all phased by having a gun pointed at him (obviously not his first rodeo) yet was not making any further aggressive actions toward me like grabbing the gun or attacking me in anyway, he was just demanding I give him some money or drugs. Now from a legal standpoint I sincerely believe that I wouldve been wholly justified in shooting this person down dead and claiming that he jumped into my truck and attacked me, after all who could prove otherwise? But since Im not a complete psychopath (most of the time) I chose the much more peaceful route of decocking my Beretta and swiftly punching this fella in the eye with the barrel of my gun really really hard. Shockingly this sudden act of pure saintly kindness seemed to wake this guy up from his crazed delusional state and he very quickly got out of my truck holding his eye and crying in pain; thankfully the blood didnt start really leaking until after he had cleared the interior of my beloved Tacoma. You could say that scenario was a real eye opener
🤜👁😉😜🫣😘 😂😂😂
Seriously though I am glad I didnt have to kill this guy, no matter if I could've been cleared legally for it or not. I believe it is our duty as gun owners and our responsibility as sensible human beings to always look for and utilize the options that bring a quick end to these all too common, dangerous, and even life threatening situations, ideally without the need to take the life of another. However should the lethal route be the only one- may our actions be clean, our aim true, and our nerve steady, because there's no 2nd place in a gunfight.
Imagine what it would take to make you rob someone.
Make no mistake. They aren’t cowards. They’re desperate. Two entirely different things. Cowards become burglars, not robbers.
Mistaking despair for cowardice will get someone hurt.
I've been scouring youtube on a knife with a shirt grab. What is your defense.
got robbed for my pizza in Chicago. Was heading to the blue line train so I could go home, and this fat kid (maybe 16)got on me and pushed me against the wall. I threw my pizza in the middle of the sidewalk. looked around and saw I was getting surrounded by more than 4 people. I made some space with my back facing the CVS and made it to the corner on state and van Burren. when I got the corner this guy (probably 17-18)says give me your wallet and I took of running to the left. As I turned to run he hit me in the back of the head. it didn't hurt it kind of just felt like a static shock on my head. so I kept running and threw my skateboard down. they didn't chase after me since I was faster. the entire exchange was about 45 seconds. there was no time to think. I just reacted and tried to find a way to run since I saw I was getting surrounded. fighting was never an option
Look, If you buy a Smith and Bradley watch, you're going to have to accept that your name is going in the hat, and you MAY have to save the President's daughter... just sayin'
Lets go Icy Mike!
I'm curious where did the statistics come from. As in which area. Because considering what I've heard from people about their personal experience, it depends. In Mexico I was told 90% of the time if someone pulls a weapon on you they will not honour the rules and will kill you after you've given them everything
I knew you'd be great in the zombie apocalypse episode, but it was even cooler than I thought it would be.
You should make a Kung fu movie.