Hornby Standard Class 4MT | Unboxing & Review
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My review of the highly detailed Hornby Standard Class 4!
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Update: Dan from Derails has been in touch with a very gracious and professional email. He's apologised for the issues, and even offered me a refund! It seems they offer excellent customer service - particularly when problems are encountered - so be sure to give them a try!
I've decided to keep the model, since no more are in stock and I've already made repairs, but Derails assures me a return would have been accepted within 12 months of purchase if required, as per the loco warranty!
If they took it out to "test" it, one wonders why the wonky buffer and the general damage weren't spotted?
Yep you're right - he did apologise for this!
Cheers,
Sam :)
Yes I'll be sure to give them a try
Good to hear but I still worry that stuff being taken out of the box then sold 'as new' is quite dodgey. Especially when things like detail packs are concerned because they are usually taped to the block of ice which means that someone has actually went out of their way to take it off rather than had it just 'accidentally fallen off'
I can't but help wonder if they were only very gracious and professional because you have a popular TH-cam channel. Glad you got it sorted either way and well done for an honest review.
Me and my dad just finished servicing 1/3 of my fleet.
And then you upload.
Coincidence?
*I THINK NOT!*
haha awesome mate, hope it all went well for you! :D
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Great review. I bought this model a year ago and although I love it to bits, my lamp iron on the smokebox door was also missing. I could have returned it to Hattons, but in the end decided not too. Seems Hornby may have forgotten to attach them during the production line.
Thanks very much mate - glad to hear your happy with yours - sorry about the lamp iron :(
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I received one of These for Christmas 2021 and mine has no quality faults whatsoever. And I got it on a small discount, very pleased
It's still incredulous Sam, that these large manufacturers are prepared to charge such extortionate prices, then provide an unacceptable level of quality control. Thanks as always for your detailed and fair review...Bob
Yes indeed Bob - I agree, it's not acceptable! Glad you enjoyed it mate,
Cheers,
Sam :)
I have the same model but it's an early version and it's one of my favorite hornby model
26:56 Bullman is acting like Toad who is Oliver’s brakevan where he’s busy going backwards! LOL! 🤣🤣🤣
haha you're right!! xD
2:21 the final 0 is missing. OMG it has dapolitus (typos on the box)
Ooh very well spotted!! xD
These were based on Ivatt`s locos. Very fair marks although I would dock a star for that rogue apostrophe in the message from the retailer.
Ahh thanks for that Philip! haha good point!! ;D
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Philip Page The BR 4MT 2-6-0 was based on the Ivatt 4MT 4MT and the BR 4MT 4-6-0 was based on the GWR Manor.
Great review Sam. An amazing loco very interesting to hear the history of the locomotive. Take care of yourself
Thanks a lot Luke - glad you enjoyed it! :D
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I loved that at the end. Explaining the loco slowing down by saying most locos do that as the Bachmann std 4 goes through without slowing down!! LOL
Ahh yeah but the Bachmann was going the other way, coming down the hill, not up! On a non-feedback controller, most locos do slow down!
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@@SamsTrains haha that explains it. It was just funny it passed just as you said it. Excellent timing ;)
But if the retailers test the locomotive to ensure customer satisfaction, why do they still dispatch a locomotive that has parts broken of?
haha exactly - I wish they wouldn't personally!
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Broken during deliver?
And here from 2023
Love the vids keep up the good work Sam you the best 👍
Thanks so much mate, really appreciate it! :D
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Love the BR standards, the standard class 2 is probably my favourite! Are you getting the new Hornby one?
Great to hear that - I love the 2 as well! Yes I'm hoping to! :D
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Hi Sam, Reading the comments I agree with the remarks regarding ' control by the retailer' especially in the context of the missing pieces, over oiling and even damage to the loco. It raises questions !! Yes, it's a nice and good running loco. But now I eagerly await the upcoming new 2MT from Hornby. The production specs look very promising. Anyway success with this 4MT, But frankly: for that amount of money I've send it back. You' re to kind Sam ! Greetings, Filip
Thanks Filip - it certainly does raise questions! You're right about the 2MT - no small amount of diecast on those by the looks of it!
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Mine is 10 years old and it compared well with the Bachmann version. Mine is a double chimney large tender version in black. It did not suffer the glue issues and there was no sign of damage. The Hornby runs much better than the Bachmann version I have.
Great to hear that Don - really glad yours was in better shape! :D
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i love your absolute honesty when it comes to your reviews, there's no glossing over anything. if something is wrong, missing or off, you tell us. makes for great viewing.. also the amount of lubrication was insane. i would have cleaned all that off straight away.
Thanks so much Jesse - absolutely - I can't see the point of reviewers who don't point out the flaws, I've always done my best to be accurate! I have now cleaned all that oil away - it was crazy!
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Thanks Sam very useful info think I will go for the class 5
Hey Sam very cool video, it’s me flying Scotsman productions I just changed my name, it’s the name of another video gamer Channel that I watch, very nice locomotive, I like the 4 mt’s but I think I probably prefer the 5 mt’s over them, also do u think that they will ever make a rebuilt a4 like they did to the p2’s or the a1’s I think I want a rebuilt version of either gadwall or silver link.
Thanks a lot mate - ooh nice new name!! Yes I really like the 5mt too! :D
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i would send it back for replacement or ask for the parts are missing just in case that is
I would do usually - but I feel it's been too long - I bought this before Christmas, and only just opened it :/
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Hi Sam, good video. The "Tangle" of brass coloured plastic behind the safety valves is a "Steam Turret" which is hidden in the cab on most locos. The designer must have run out of space in the cab, or they initially forgot about it, lol. As a personal preference, I am not very fussy on the "Standard" classes, except the 9Fs of course. Likewise I do not like double chimneys. They seem to take away the beauty of many locos. As I have said before, extreme crawl speed is not normally needed on tender locos. Only a reasonable crawl is needed for coupling up. I pride myself that I never push my wagons/carriages backwards when coupling up, unless the couplings are over a permanent uncoupling ramp. I always position myself so that I can see the couplings when picking up a train. I realise that you are not able to do this on your reviews. Regards, Alan.
Hi Alan, thanks very much for the info on that - much appreciate it! Yeah this is very true!!
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Have you ever done a video comparing the same model made by different makers ?
After watching this I'm going to check out the bachman video to see which I think is better
I've done a bit of that in the past - maybe I should do more!
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A double chimney 4MT! My favourite!
Long Live Big 29!! (aka 75029)
.....and 75069....and 75078....and 75079.... But 75029 is the only double chimney 4MT in lined green with a 3500gal tender (all the other 3 had* 4725gal tenders - *I'm not sure if 75079 will get a new BR1B/C tender or a BR2A tender).
haha absolutely - I didn't mention the chimney actually!
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Checking photos of the prototype Class 4 Hornby did get that pipe work correct.
Glad to hear that Ken - I'd expect nothing less from Hornby!
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I've noticed people with missing details and broken parts from Hornby locos recently, I recently had to replace a limited Edition Sir Nigel Gresley Centenary train set due to a broken connecting rod, (although this might have been the fault of Rails of Sheffield, as they told me that they tested the replacement model, so obviously they tested the original model and it may have broken while they put it back in the box or during delivery), but nonetheless Rails apologised and sent a replacement set which was thankfully intact, but I really shouldn't have needed to do this, especially as I also recently got a Hornby A4 Mallard in BR Blue from Rails and I had absolutely no problems with it. I also once got a Hornby A4 Golden Eagle in 2016 from Hattons but had the nameplate upside down, thankfully got a replacement, but it was clear that this was a factory fault. However, these were the only times when I had to return a Hornby model to be replaced, the only other time was with a Bachmann model.
These issues mostly seems to be happening to Hornby though which is a shame, I know Hornby can do much better than this and I love Hornby. I think there are problems with the Chinese factory that is producing them and I've heard that they had a falling out, especially as that same factory also produces Bachmann locos. I think Hornby needs to find a new production factory, one that actually cares about models and about handling them with care.
Thanks for sharing Fraser - yes that's very common with modern Hornby models sadly - and yes, I'm not overly keen on retailers unboxing and testing models either! Glad to hear all was sorted in the end though!
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Hey Sam! I liked what you did at the beginning using the standard class 4 😂
Also do you plan on doing a review on the Dapol o gauge 14xx?
haha thank you!! I would love to some day - funds permitting! :D
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170 pounds... meanwhile you can get a Dapol Pannier with firebox glow, loads of details, a removable cab roof, DCC 21 ready, and oh yeah... in 0 gauge, for 20 pounds more.
haha for sure!!! ;D
I like the new graphics with the log book
Thank you!! :D
The odd one out is the Ivatt class 4. Also, I’d go as far to say that the Bachmann tender is slightly more detailed because, yellow dots on the tender are present on the Bachmann but not on the Hornby.
Very well spotted! Ahh interesting - yes that's a good point!
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hello sam I just got the Hornby club membership a few days ago and I think that this model looks good and will you do a comparison video with the Hornby and Bachmann class 4s and will you get a new Hornby B12 and love the video from david
Awesome David, hope you enjoy it! I could definitely do that! :D
Having purchased a number of locos from Dan at Derails (40 + in the last few years) I've never had a "duff one" as yet. That is why I welcome his policy of testing before despatch which avoids the problem of unnecessary faults and returns.
Unfortunately, Hornbys QC can be quite hit and miss.
I can thoroughly recommend Derails whose customer service is second to none.
Incidentally Sam, I don't know where you get the £144 price tag. These locos are still available sub £100 at many outlets.
Great to hear you've had good experiences with Derails - I must say their customer aftercare was very impressive once they learned of this issue!
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Nice Video Sam! I have just finished restoring a tanker by I believe hornby!
Nice work mate, that sounds awesome! :D
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I would like to see how long a model locomotive would run for whilst on fire.
Heljan are perfect for this
haha that'd be awesome!! ;D
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I tried that when I was a teen. Set up a circle of track outside, got an old triang 101 power car, set it on fire and off it went. Kept going for ages and ages until the chassis disintegrated all over the track and derailed the power bogie.
Did the retailer sell it as new? Because it really is not, if it has been used before, is it?
Also I soon as I saw the missing detail pack, I proberbly whould have send it back to the retailer, demanding a new one, because all faults could be blamed on them at that point.
Great Video as always.
Yes - it was sold as brand new! Though, as it had been unpacked and tested/used on arrival, I consider it to be second hand, by definition.
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I had that bachman one in the early 90s, so way older than late 00s. I sold all my train stuff before then. I think you're mad not sending it back. You must have plenty of money to not worry about them charging you £200 for junk.
That won't be the Bachmann one I saw - any produced in the 90s will presumably be derived from the older Mainline model - Bachmann's later model was produced in 2008! I certainly didn't pay £200, or anything close, for mine!
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Beautiful model Sam! Six is a good number of preserved examples! Also, the youngest preserved example (the last one built) is the only one left to be restored from scrap condition which is hoped to be finished in 2024!
Thanks a lot Ryno - it certainly is! Ooh that's good news! :D
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Well done TH-cam, well done
haha it's normal - just the way the viewcount works! :D
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Congrats on 70k subs mate! Are you doing a special video to celebrate?
Thanks very much mate - I didn't think I would - they're coming so fast now! Maybe for 100k though! :D
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Great review Sam ! I like the model but not the lack of quality control issues.
Yeah me too - I'm with you on that one!
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Hi Sam, must admit I've had a few Hornby new / newish locomotives which have had their chassis 'swimming' in oil.
Bachmann looks much better and always find the 'gear match' better, needing less running in than Hornby.
Totally agree that the Hornby chassis designs are spot on.
Overall as well, a nice looking locomotive.
Yes I must say I've seen it a few times too - hopefully it won't be a regular theme!!
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Great review Sam I managed to get a Bachman one last year whilst on holiday with my family I think the cost was about £40
Wow! That's very cheap indeed - great find! :D
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Was that the old ex mainline split chassis one?
TIMMEH19991 yes it is a split chassis one
@@davidstrains4910 I find them very rugged compared to a lot of the bachmann split chassis range, but the plastic inserts in the wheels do have a nasty habit of blowing out due to expansion.
@@TIMMEH19991 Mine suffered the same fate and destroyed itself.
Lol when it comes to pipes I always asked why couldn't they do them out of metal with the bob/merchant navy class...hated how fragile those under cab pipes are...the copper paint scratches so easily from them too...though the best fix I found for that was to very lightly coat them in super glue.
Yeah you're right - particularly with those Bullied locos!
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@Sam'sTrains Sorry to see you had a bad Hornby Standard 4MT, I have the same one and it was better way than your one it's most likey the retailer fualt I promise you the engine is great I have fitted sound to mine
Thanks mate - it's not terrible don't get me wrong - and I suspect Hornby can't be blamed entirely for this one either!
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hi sam grate vid i'v got the bachmann one does the hornby one have an opening smock box door ;D
Thanks a lot Bee! I don't think the Hornby one does - Bachmann wins on that aspect! ;D
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13:23 The shape of the tender looks like a 2MT tender.
You're absolutely right!! :D
thanks Sam love the videos. Have had hornby triang for 50 years, some original locos still perform. I have to admit the classes of steam are not clear to me. Would be helpful for your expertise on a vid to detail what is what eg what is a battle of britain v country class and what are manor classes and castle classes and standard classes. all a bit much. Needs someone to shine a light on all of that and then there are the diesels of course. anyway thanks for all the work you put into these videos.
Thanks a lot Peter - yes I have quite a few of them too, amazing how well they still run! Great idea - I could try a video on that! The Battle of Britains are the same as the west country classes in design - only the names are different! The castles and manors are similar but different designs of GWR 4-6-0. The 'standards' were introduced in 1951, and they were exactly that - a standard design of locomotive to be used all over British railways!
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Next time either of my mainline ones (75073 + 75006) breakes I'll get one of those as both of mine brake genuinely after 1 minute of running
Ooh fantastic - sorry to hear that, I've had a similar experience with Mainline locos ;)
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Ach, what a darn shame! Though, I can't say I didn't see the quality issues coming: The STD 4 4-6-0 is one of my all time favourite locos and it really is just a mess where pipework is concerned. I can definitly see how it would be a manufacturer's menace.
It is also pretty funny to see your opinion on the model echoing the opinions of the crews: Good, but the STD 5 is better.
Thanks mate, yeah you're right - the pipework does look a mess doesn't it? haha definitely!
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For me I like that the fact that the Hornby mechanism is so good if you take that and put it in the bank men's Loco then you pretty much have in my opinion the best logo
And to me that was probably the best part of this Loco is the mechanism
Also I agree with you retailer should not be opening trains and testing them or products in general that's just bad retail practices
Also it's Hornby they should not be making dodgy stuff so I'm not too happy with the detail on the train if I'm going to pay $170 for a locomotive now I don't think the back bumper in the missing pack was hornby's fault things that I have to fix when it comes it's their fault
Especially with the fact I'm injured in luckily I just I can turn my my train set set up where I can just turn it on and pick a locomotive and pull it out and yes I called in the train set
I think you turn this one into a project Sam to make it better and then prove it because I know there's pieces out there where you can fix a lot of them problems which all this stuff should have came from the start and none of these problems should have been there but a little video project on your Channel that would be fun in my opinion I'm sure some young young train Enthusiast would love to see it white
Yeah absolutely - that would be amazing to try!! :D
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Seeing as they lost your details pack I'd say the smoke box door damage was more down to the store that tested it for you. Shame about the glue, was looking good...from a distance.
But we also need to remember this could just be this model
@@ThatOneTrainGuy Oh for sure, just like Sam says, the fact they opened it them selves is what adds the question. If they just sold it, it would all be down to hornby & shipping.
It could well be - it's impossible to prove!!
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Would you recommend this Sam? Thanks
Overall I would, but be sure to watch the review - I cover basically all bases! :D
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Even if the retailer you bought it from took it out of the package and it was broken or missing parts from the factory, then that's still on the retailer. They took it out of the box and handled it to make sure it worked, but weren't thorough enough to check for broken or missing parts before sending it to you! Either way this is totally unacceptable. Still a nice model, but that retailer managed to fail in the customer service department twice!
Quite correct if the retailer has decided to test and check the model they shouldn't have sent it with the defects to the customer. They should have sent it back to the manufacturer who should either repair the faults or condem the model to the spares scrap yard. I know Bachmann do this with their models and the repaired returns do get another chance in life as they get repaired and then get sold on at the Warley show but with only a month's warranty.
Yeah I guess you're right - I wasn't best pleased with that, though they have been in touch to apologise - the customer service seems to be much better! :D
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As on overseas buyer, sometimes I'd rather they check it as having to send back a model would be quite the hassle. Swings and roundabouts really. If you're in the UK then probably not
That's fair enough - testing is obviously important for you then! Giving customers the option would be the best IMO!
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Thank you Sam for reviewing this green version of the Hornby Standard 4 4-6-0. I’d actually been considering buying a 75008 for a while (nearly did at Warley) to go with my black one 75053. Having seen your very useful review I think I was luckier with mine than you were with this one but I agree about the fragile details. As a model I really like mine, think it looks great but the fragility is a concern for a layout stalwart. Can I ask about how you do your “power” ratings? You might like to clarify this in a future video (if you’ve not explained already). Is it a calculation? I think your review said 23 coaches equivalent pulling power, whereas my 75053 seems to manage around 8 round the club layout (which is fairly flat) That’s a big difference! For info my rake is ususally Hornby staniers behind my Hornby Std Cl 4. Thanks again. Luke
It's a pleasure Luke - I can recommend them, but I wouldn't suggest buying one from a train fair - get it from a retailer that accepts returns - just to cover yourself if needed! I measure the pulling force of the loco using a newton-metre, and calculate the number of coaches using data collected from a range of other models! The result is accurate, but only for perfectly level and straight track - in practical terms, the number will be a bit less!
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The tender looks like it’s in a different color, sort of looks like the A2/2 be green
haha that's a good point actually - maybe that's just the light??
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Awesome video ever sam
Thanks Justin! :D
4mts were around in 2000 from Bachmann
I think that depends on the version - Kader produced a much older 4MT many years ago, but I believe the latest retool from Bachmann was in 2008. It's the 2008 version I was talking about!
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@@SamsTrains my fave 4mt was the old Wren Tank engine
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*logic has left the chat*
haha it's normal - just the way TH-cam works! :D
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Hope your ok damRediculus for the price the damage is unacceptable if it was checked at the retailer they should have sorted it
Thanks Lewis, yeah I agree - I didn't get that either! :/
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Send it back to them for replacement. this is bloody awful
Unfortunately they don't have any more in stock - I agree it wasn't great!
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Looks like the Class 5 is pulling its own 'Flying Kipper'...glad to see it out and about on the layout, great review as always!
haha yeah!! Glad you liked that, and thanks a lot! :D
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Lovely loco. How did you make your logo and why app do you use to edit your videos?
Thanks a lot mate - I did the logo in photoshop, and I edit with a variety of different softwares - they all do the same thing though! :D
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Sam'sTrains thanks Sam
Happy birthday to you Random people person
Happy birthday to you
haha! xD
Sam, if you're not told this enough... Thank you!!
It's good to see a Reviewer who's NOT on some Manufacturer's payroll!!! 😉😎
As you should know by now, I'm an American Prototype Modeller. That said, I AM going to buy a couple of British pieces.
This was of course, an honest assessment. It MAY have good detail - but shoddy construction and workmanship is not acceptable! At any cost really.
Carmine ✈🚂🚙
You're very welcome mate - don't get me wrong, I'll gladly take payment from anyone willing to send them, but I'll always give an honest review no matter what! The workmanship did leave plenty to be desired with this one!
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Now in my Thomas series there are 13 steam engines working on the fat controllers railway five diesels working on the fat controllers railway eight small railway engines and nine narrow gauge engines of course in my series I will introduce a steam locomotive which looks like Wilbert and 16 known in my series as Simon this engine is painted in lime green with red lining a black running board and some white buffers this engine is Hazel Hazel used to work on the Dartmoor railway before it's closure the fat controller eventually saved her from the scrap yard and now works somewhere on the railway you may have noticed that this idea was scrapped for unknown reasons
13:33 yet more damage to the foot step. What kind of bogan has chucked this about?
Ooh well spotted! I really don't know!! :O
Hi Sam, You do a good review, As you say it's not very good when you pay your money and it's not perfect , but it does look good Ithink it's the tender that makes it look good , (it does make my blood boil when things aren't right) All the Best Brian 🤗
Thanks very much Brian - and I was very impressed by the tender too! :D
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I think as the Class 4 was heading up the slight incline I saw a little wheel slip.(22:20 ish) If it was wheel slip with 5 coaches I wouldn't really consider that acceptable for the price.
Ahh interesting - you could be right there!! :O
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At 26:45 you can see wheel slip too, but I thought it looked quite cool for the review. Though with a Power Rating of 23 coaches I doubt she could do it if she is slipping with just five attached. I did ask Sam recently that at some stage he could do a test of his Power Rating to see if they compare to his calculations.
Hi sam , great review! Just one question, are you still going to do the live stream? Only I went on to your channel yesterday and it was scheduled but I come on today and it was not there . Stay safe! Rhys
Hey Rhys - yes it's still going ahead - it should be there!! :D
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No I didn't - is it good?!
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My standard class 4 safety valves look so much like metal that I thought they were and do you consider that glue marks and squiff buffers are just production errors and you just got unlucky how ever the windows are poorly designed as that same peice came broken on mine but the front rail is definitely the retailers but where I got mine be it’s really good I went in store and before I bought it they tested performance in front of me so I could spot if they did anything but the guys were super careful😊btw I live in Australia and I think we are quite gifted because we don’t get the Hornby retailer issues as they by the models privately
I don’t know why retailers aren’t careful when it comes to handling models. If they’re gonna sell the locomotive, then they should put everything back in the box and also make sure that the locomotive is in good condition.
I don't know either mate :(
Would prefer a 76000 mogul to a 75000. Just one problem, only Bachmann produce that, and I have a feeling it’s another outmoded mechanism for a high price. Sigh
I remember getting one of these for only £64 from Hattons back in 2011. For that price it was extremely good value for money. Great review as always.
Blimey - that's much more like it! For sure - if I'd paid £64, I'd be very happy! :D
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Good view Sam. Did you get the missing parts in the end? I would’ve asked for a replacement
I haven't yet Jimmy - I ordered this some time ago, so I decided it would be unreasonable to complain so late in the day - I will make it known if they get in touch!
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Hi Sam, I am purchasing a Gaugemaster Q 4 Track controller for my new layout, can you tell me what gauge wire do you use to connect to the tracks please, regards, Colin.
Hi Colin - most wire should be sufficient - you'll only need 1amp to power up to 4 locos!
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Shame about the buffer.....but I do like this one....very pricey too.....still very pretty.......cheers......
Thanks Chris - yes overall I really like this one too, shame about the issues!
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Congratulations
Thank you! :D
Are you sending it back to the retailer? I would.
I would usually recommend it - but I had to get the review done, and I had the model for several months before opening it. Rather than try to explain why it took me 4 months to discover the problems, I decided to make repairs and keep it!
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So just go with hattons for quality and in general?
Well the retailer generally doesn't have any control over the quality of the models - but they do offer a great service! :D
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Odd one out is the Ivatt Class 4!
Very well spotted Ethan! :D
Honestly being an American that is one of the best looking Europe engines I have ever seen. Hornby did a better job then the Bachmann.
haha I know - they're very imposing aren't they?! :D
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I'm really curious, Sam. where did you get all your Pullman coaches? they look like the ones that hornby sells in their trainsets
How do you decide exactly what freight cars the models are going to pull?-
I try to pick half-way suitable loads, but it's usually at random or just what I fancy! ;D
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Im wondering if the metal pipes need a coat of gloss varnish to look better to me they lack shine to an unrealistic degree.
Roy
Seems you get one from a bad batch. I had to return my Hornby LMS Black Five (and get another one in working order) because the gearing was broken, and it cannot run more than an half-metre before stopping and making a grinding noise. Problems like this happens sometimes... and I think it is unacceptable to ship you a locomotive with quality issues from a shop that is supposed to look at them before sending you the item ! At least, they ought to have swapped it for another one without broken parts, missing details pack and glue marks, and return this one to the manufacturer.
For my own, I would only accept those kind of issues from a retailer that does NOT check the locomotives before sending them to you. As an example, I have recently received an Oxford Rail wagon with a popped out axle and NO couplings, but I don't mind : I've put the axle back in its bearings and take the lack of couplings as a good reason to start buying kadees, what I had always planned...
For the lubrication, I thing this might be the result of a mistranslation. Margate told the factory to "use a dropper", and the factory production department understood "use a dipper" instead...
Well, if you have a good condition model and minus GBP 25 on the price, this would have deserved three stars on value and quality instead of two. Hornby mechanisms are top level, just one notch below what Oxford Rail ones, and they have put a five poles motor, just missing a flywheel. I think this model deserves a retooling. Or a minus GBP 50 on the RRP.
Sorry to hear you had a similar problem Oliver - at least mine ran reasonably well! I wonder whether some of the parts could have been damaged during the testing process - it doesn't take much to damage models these days! All the more reason to leave unpacking to the customer!
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That's a beautiful locomotive it looks like a runs really well too I'll tell you this have you ever thought about buying a DCC Broadway limited locomotive American engine with sound and smoke they're really beautiful engines or want to Bachman's newer engines retooled steam engine American engines
Yes you're right, it does run great! I've thought about it - I'd really love to get one!! :D
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Excellent review! When I was admiring the back of the box I noticed below the diagram that it says “Do Not Scale” could you elaborate on what this means?
The drawing is not a reproduction of the locomotive's plan at a proper scale. It is a reduced version from the factory's conception drawings, and it might have been distorded in the pre-press and printing process of the box. So, you cannot use it as a reference to meter the right dimensions of the locomotive.
Thanks for this Oliver - I think that covers all bases pretty well! :D
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I knew you were going to review this after a recent comment that you made to me. I'm in the market for a standard class 4 and I'm torn. I want it all.. detail, performance AND quality. I can buy the Hornby version shipped to Australia for £85 and a Bachmann version is £75. Still not fully decided...all of my new locos have been Bachmann of late and I want to support Hornby, but...... .maybe you should do the full comparison!
Ahh yes indeed! Yes that's quite a dilemma - you'd be within your rights to make a return if the Hornby didn't make the standard, but it would be very time consuming! I'll look into a full comparison! :D
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Even with your unluckily model the Hornby BR Standard 4MT 4-6-0 is a better model than the Bachmann model. The Bachmann one doesn't have tender pickups or its DDC socket in the tender. I am very much a fan of the BR green model with the double chimney and your model. In real life run on the SD&JR and you could doubleheader with a Bulleid Pacific for a Pines express train.
Thanks a lot John - yes I agree this beats the Bachmann 4MT - particularly where the mechanism is concerned!
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I received a TTS Black 5 for my 13th birthday (2018) and I noticed that it was missing the dart.. fast forward a few days/weeks and it when back to the retailer for a fix because the DCC chip has fried.. He sent it back to Hornby to fix..
It came back with the dart still “missing”!
Ooh what a gift that must have been - sorry to hear about the dart and chip - that doesn't sound very good if it was still missing after you sent it back :(
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That bent buffer, missing lamp brackets, broken handrail and glue marks all for £170.99 including VAT sounds like they saw you coming! Maybe you should do a long term test and see if it packs up? Send it back before the 12 months RTB is up!
haha yeah you're right - I'll be sure to keep an eye on it in the future!
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I find it strange that retailers like to play with their products before selling them. I think it would be better for the retailer to just keep it new in box so that they avoid any blame for missing or broken components.
haha I agree - no doubt the testing is done with good intentions, but for me in particular, it's pretty important that models are as-new on arrival!
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Hello Sam. Maybe you should review some marklin and piko locomotives in the future?
Ooh great idea Michael!! :D
Hey Sam, how are you doing Mate? News Just in by NZ’s prime minister, New Zealand is in Lockdown. Not worried though but not gonna be ordering anything anytime soon! This is getting serious!
Your Mate!
- Sam :D
I'm doing great thanks mate - sorry to hear that, hope you stay safe my friend! :)
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I think this has the same situation as the Hornby Railways Schools class locomotive where the locomotive was released back in the early 2010s and yet Hornby charged a lot of money for it. It would've been a little bit better if the price was under £150.
Yeah I think you're right - it's similar in quality to those!
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Is it broken due to previous owners then ?
It's impossible to say for sure whether the damage took place in transit, at the retailers, or during assembly unfortunately!
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Due to the poor quality of this locomotive, I’m gonna give the Hornby Standard Class 4MT a “C”. It would’ve been a lot better if the locomotive had better quality.
Fair enough mate - I think that's fair to say! :D
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Hi Sam. Nice new loco, cheers sam
Thanks very much mate! :D
Obviously, it would have a back coupling because it’s gonna be pulling some coaches or wagons on your layout. If the loco doesn’t have anything at the back, then it would be ludicrously unacceptable because now the locomotive can’t pull anything without a use for a coupling.
haha of course! But sometimes they're not pre-fitted!
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