Hornby's New Standard Class 2MT | Unboxing & Review
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A full review of Hornby's all new Standard class 2mt in BR green!
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0:00 Intro
3:20 Unboxing
6:46 Prototype Info
8:21 Detail
16:48 Mechanism
21:11 Performance
24:59 Haulage
33:07 Ratings
36:28 Final Thoughts - ยานยนต์และพาหนะ
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I think the issue with the modern motor simply is: Someone saved a penny by winding them with too thin wire. At no-load, they perform the same as one with enough copper. Under load, they turn into resistors, limiting the current to naff and producing heat.
Sadly, on this occasion I must beg to differ, Sam.
My version of the 2MT (BR Black L/c R3836) has been exemplary. I bought it new for £164, which I judge to be a decent price. It performs beautifully at slow and fast speeds, has excellent torque, so I wonder whether the motor on yours was just a rogue one. I’m delighted with all of its fine details which look wonderful. I’ve fitted a HM7000 sound decoder and that’s fantastic too. In short, I cannot fault it in any way. Gets 10 out of 10 from me. 😃👍🏼
My Hornby collectors club 2MT is fantastic. It looks and feels great. Loads of torque. Runs silently. Great crawl, with good speed range. I cannot fault it at all. I’m running it on a Hornby HM2000. Well worth the money I feel.
How could Hornby do this to the 2MT fanatics like myself? Something this good looking surely deserves the coreless treatment! Thanks like always Sam!
I had this model on pre-order from Antics online having originally paid 169.99 then literally last week they emailed me asking for another £29 because Hornby had put the price up! I thought this was a bit naughty so i cancelled the order and got a refund instead. I would like to get one eventually because this particular loco was shedded at 89c on the Cambrian line in mid Wales when my late Dad was a driver there so there's a good chance he drove the prototype at some stage of his career. Good review as always Sam 😎🤘
I wanted a 2MT some years ago so bought a Bachmann Ivatt class 2 and renumbered it. Cost me £75. thats £140 in my pocket. I thankyou|! Your hard pushed to tell the difference .
I did the same just before Xmas. Bought a vvgc example for £60-odd. Stunning looks & performance.
I was looking at getting the 2MT but after seeing the performance I have changed my mind. Thanks for the great review Sam. :)
Great review Sam.
I have the lined black version which i'm really happy with. Mines running on digital and i've not had any of the same issues with power. I've not had it on 20 coaches but it handles my gradients with ease with 3/4 coaches which is more typical of the prototype.
On the subject of the wheels, after un boxing the model and testing it the first thing i did was paint the tyres to match the wheels. I may be a bit fussy but the model looks so much better with them painted.
I have since started to do the same thing to all the other locos i own as part of my weathering prep.
The "copper/brass" pipework on that engine is beautiful.
The new Hornby 2MT model is very nice and I do like this model because it has a die-cast body shell which makes very heavy and quiet powerful if it has a motor which works properly. Plus, the details on the model is very nice. I like the use of both molded and separate detail parts combined which makes the 2MT model look nice. Unfortunately, you are right about the choice of motor making the model underpowered and having no modern features like the firebox glow along with no chain link for the coupling hook. You are 100% right about fitting a coreless motor into the Hornby 2MT's mechanism because it makes the model run way better and more powerful than the 5 pole motor Sam. I hope you will do a video of changing the Hornby Large Prairie model soon. I cannot wait your video of changing the Hornby 2MT Sam. Overall, the 2MT is a pretty good model.
Thanks Sam, another great vid. Very helpful review as I was thinking of getting one.
I always preferred the Ivatt 2MT rather than the standards but this is a nice-looking model.
Yeah I guess I'd prefer the Ivatt too if given the choice... hopefully we'll see one of those soon... this Hornby chassis could maybe even be adapted for it!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@@SamsTrains Makes 3 of us, mate.
@@SamsTrains it could, hopefully they will change the motor though.
A very useful and above all , honest review, particularly about the motor. Keep it up Sam, cheers Paul
Crazy to think that when I had to take a break from model railroading around when the Hornby Princess class was released (early 2020) this had just been announced!
Now that I'm back and seen what Hornby has done to the UK market, I think I'll model something German/Continental instead...
New ready to run Roco models may cost more than this but at least they're packed full of detail and there's a healty amount of competition in the continental market to keep quality high (though not prices low 😅).
I will still allow myself to get one of those superb looking Accurascale Pannier tanks though! 😝
Enjoyed your presentation. I have the Collector's Club version 78022 and fitted it with HM7000 decoder. The sound profile recently became available and the loco sound s amazing with it.
I loved this review Sam the ivatt is one of my favorite models as well
Bullman!! Happy new year!!
Hi Sam, I believe you're correct about the delay causing this to be a late cross over model. Pity that its all show and no go so its worth the coreless upgrade. All tbe best mate.
P.S.
The running plate does looks slighy proud at the front.
From the looks of it a good locomotive to start out 2024, I will admit I have been considering one of these even though I’m not the biggest fan of Mogul steam locomotives but I do like the standard design locomotives, if I do get one it is most likely to be the BR Green and I will want it to have the yellow axleboxes on the tender, that is something I do like with the standard design locomotives, my class 6MT Clan, 8P Duke of Gloucester and a bachmann 4mt all have the yellow axleboxes.
Sounds good David - overall this is very decent - one of the best looking standard models there is!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I've said it before, Sam: you really do know how to review a loco! You set the standard for others to aspire to.
The 2MT is a pretty loco, especially in its late BR Green livery. But I couldn't justify the £200 price tag, so bought a BR lined green Ivatt 2MT in VVGC for around 20% of the cost of this model.
Having said that, this Hornby model looks great! Perhaps a Grade D was a little harsh, especially for a such a cute-looking model with wheel bearings?
The 2MT’s are my favourite br steam loco, nice to see it get a good looking model
I think it's probably mine too - lovely looking isn't it?? :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Awesome video Sam's trains 😊
Thanks Brian!
@@SamsTrains you're welcome 😊 buddy 😊
Hello Sam👋 I just want to say I love your videos and reviews...
Except of the torque the quality is indeed very good! Love the pipework, separetly fitted details and the crawl. Great video :)
Another great video Sam!
Would you recommend this or buying some stuff to get started in o gauge?
Looks so beautiful. I might get that . Anyway soon 2 more trains are on the way . Can't wait to make a huge train video soon. Keep being awesome my friend. Ur trains are the best. Keep it up sam
How are you not poor? I’ve been watching you for years and years. How do you manage to keep this up? Keep up the good work.😊😂😅
I really hope you got the email Sam; it would be nice to be able to compare the balancing/weight distribution of rtr locos in the future. That green is damn near spot on! Two coats of Humbrol 35 gloss varnish (the first layer rubbed down with emery) would make it perfect! Also, it seems that Hornby need to give the factory workers sharper nippers to clean up the parts, as there is quite the few nubs on parts. That usually stems from bad manufacturing design though, but my main gripe as usual is with the rods. As is too common at these prices, all of the rods are thick where they should be thin, and too thin where they should be thick, giving the "tinplate valve gear" look that has remained for years as a trademark of Hornby locos.
Great to have the reviews back for 2024, all is right again.
I have always liked the look of these locos, do wonder why Hornby dragged their feet with the release.
If I had all the money in the world an n gauge version would be in my stable (one of the preserved examples).
Best.
I have a Bachmann Ivat 2mt class but this loco is also very nice i think order one. Nice video Sam!
Good review but how do you attatch the vacuum pipes front and rear as no holes for them on the buffer beams ?
Good review, I had this model on my wishlist for my Scottish layout.
And I have to say it looks fantastic.
Bit a shame of the weak motor, but with the typical branch line train of 3 coaches or 10 wagons and on dcc I don't expect those problems with sluggishness.
I ordered mine today.
Nice, i might consider one for my little urban line!
That sounds awesome!! :D
i volunteer at eccelsborne valley railway and have been on the foot plate of the 2mt 78018 and she is a absolutely perfect runner
also spoke to owen and i am now helping at the model railway too
Love the Bachmann Ivatt Class 2 having the number of “Blossom” in preservation. Currently being refurbed and homes at Great Central Railway.
I was able to get my hands on one in a BR Black with late crest and lining around the model. Lucky for me the Model Centre dropped these models down to £175 around Christmas which was a much better and reasonable price than the £200. I so far not had any issues with it both running in on carpet and on the club model layout without issues so far. But i do love the slow smooth running
This loco would benefit from a DCC decoder with back EMF to tame that sluggish motor. Or a coreless motor, but then you need a decoder specifically for coreless motors. 😊 That being said, this would make a good shunter for a small rail yard or industrial complex. 😊
I recently got one of these from hamleys. They had the green and lined black side by side. I find the unlined green a bit plain so went for the lined black......... along with the eye roll from the Mrs 🤣. Always liked the standard 2's
Good and honest review, thanks Sam. I gave this one a miss because of the price, I think Accurascale and Dapol have spoiled me. If you look at their models Hornby have only implemented the quick release coupling on their 4 wheel Gresley tenders, this one didn't have it nor did the Turbomotive. I suspect they haven't got round to designing it for their other locos. As 2024 seems to be a rehash of all their old locos I doubt you will see it on them either. I bought one of their latest unrebuilt West Countrys and was amazed they hadn't upgraded anything. Firebox glow is a Led and a hole, not rocket science to implement.
So cool video sam
Thanks Justin! :D
I got my 2MT Green Lined just before Christmas. I do not have DC so I had ordered an 8 pin HM7000-8-TXS decoder which I fiited to be able to test the loco. It was a very tight fit with the sugar cube fitting under the weight in the tender.
Initally it would not even move. After much cajoling I eventually got it to go backwards. I ran it backwards for 30 minutes , it then ran forwards ok. I have never had a loco do that previously. However, when run in, it is running very well now. I did try it with a Zen Black 8 pin decoder as I at first could not get the tender body on with the HM7000 fitted. After much fiddling I did get the HM7000 fitted and the tender body on.
Now came the problem. The sound was a bit soft I suspect it is the speaker as there is not enogh room to get it in the box that they come with. When the sound is turned on the Loco intermittently just stops while going around the track, it then starts up again without any intervention from me. This is controlling the loco from the HM7000 App. Power is from a DigiTrax controller. Turning the sound off from the App does not stop the loco from intermittently stopping and restarting ( looks like it loses power briefly) I have to reset the decoder to get it to run OK again without sound turned on.
If I do not use the app to control the loco and use the Digitrax controller then it does the same thing when the sound is turned on, but turning the sound off with the Digitrax it behaves normally ie, not stopping/starting.
I have a number of other locos with sound ( not Hornby ) which run perfectly OK with sound on around the layout.
I contacted Hornby and they said to send it back and the will look at it. It is now with them and I await their analysis .
It ran perfectly OK the the non sound Zen decoder so I don't think it is a Loco issue. It was very smooth and as you said, its crawl was excellent.
That sounds terrible and I am not sure I would have the patients to accept all that nonsense
@@georgethomas7814
worst situation is - they can't find an issue.
I suspect there is some sort of power issue with the HM7000 decoder and the loco, it maybe a dodgy decoder. Having spent all my working life as an Electonics engineer I am used to seeing all sorts of weird issue with electronic components.
At worst I will just use a Zen decoder with no sound. I have got other locos with no sound.
Sam best TH-cam channel
This has restored my faith in Hornby and in the industry.
Maybe 2024 will be a good year after all
Hey Sam - great review, been waiting for this one! A suggestion though; if you do a motor replacement, can you try and use the flywheel? Especially given the work put into balancing it; plus it would be such a shame to lose some of the smoothness!
I love this locomotive!!
Hi Sam. Just wondering. What editing software do you use to edit your videos?
Being a smaller 5 pole motor maybe there arent as many turns of wire on each pole as older 3 pole motors and loses out on power as a result?
Another lovely video sam well done great camera work as usual I am really looking forward to seeing your next video I hope you get a nice video next time also when is your next video going to be on TH-cam bye for now Philip
good vid thanks lee
Thanks Lee!
Did I miss something, when did the coaches at the beginning go from blue to red in the opening?
Very lovely, especially in the army green.
I have the old 1980s version and I love it. Therefore, I like this modern release as well. Hornby did a preserved example from the Keighley and Worth Valley Railway which looks stunning. Sadly, it's a club exclusive. For 200£ it's slightly above what I'd pay for this performance. The Manor by Accurascale is much larger and has loads of power, but can't crawl. For 180-190£ I'd buy it, but like this, I will wait for a sale probably. A great loco nevertheless and a very nice start into 2024. Hopefully many good reviews will follow. I can't wait for the Bulleid Booster or the Rapido W&U Tramway car 👍👍
Thank you for your balanced review, Sam. When you started this one, I was concerned you would run out of superlatives, but you pointed out the bad with the good.
Personally, I was deeply disappointed in the number of sprue scars. The steam pipes had huge scars, as did the chimney and the buffer sockets. I started pausing the review and noted that there was a scar on just about every part. I wonder if the person who assembled your example failed to use nippers and just twisted the parts off the sprues.
Cheers from the Great White North! 🫡🎊🎉👍❄️🥶🍁
Hi Sam.
Yeah I got one of the green ones just before xmas and mine arrived damaged one of the buffers and cylinder pipes were loose in the box but other than that no other quality issues. My one is very slow I wondered if it was faulty or they are supposed to be slow and after watching your one doing the same thing i'm sure its not faulty just slow. I would like to see you document your coreless motor replacements as I would be interested in seeing that.
great video as always thanks
The slowness could be due to the motor - try the torque test - does it seem powerful or sluggish? Sure, if I get around to doing the coreless swap, I'll publish a video and the files!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Hello Sam, which is your favorite?
The 2MT Tank Engine
Or
The 3MT Tender Engine
I have been thinking about this review. Hornby nearly got right, the die-cast the finish other than some flashing and lovely size for most layouts. But then hobble it with a cheap as cheap can be motor, 8 pin decoder, no lights or firebox flicker. To me they should retrieve the situation. Upgrade the chassis with a coreless motor and 21 pin socket, plugin tender connection and tool up a cheaper plastic body for their Hornby range. Then take this die-cast body, add a die-cast tender and lights, smoke, sound to the new mechanism to sell under the Dublo range of premium models aimed at the Marklin / Trix price point. Sadly this model as is suffers from being too expensive for the mainstream market, but not quite special enough for the premium market.
Happy New Year and a great review to start things off! I’m really tempted to pick one up, as they look amazing, but the performance is less than ideal. Not sure why Hornby used that motor. On the topic of this motor, I think the Hornby Large Prairie might have it as well, maybe you could look into putting a coreless one in that?
What is the name of the song you used in the intro? Great video By the way
The reason why the the 1970's Hornby Ivatt has superior performance is due the larger and more powerful X04 motor.
Have noticed two things, the smokebox lamp iron is bent, and on the buffer has flashing,
Ahh good spots - can't say I saw those while filming!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I think I disagree with the box, the larger packaging was introduced to avoid damage to heavier models such as the 9F and P2, whereas this smaller loco really doesn't need such a large box (thank goodness!)
You can tell if it’s a Ivatt or Standard from the numbers.
Ivatt’s start with 4, and Standards start with a 7.
Like you sam iv got the Bachmann 2mt it looks great on the layout. And im more than happy with it. And it performs faultlessly. For £200 plus this Hornby 2mt is very nice to look at put the performance looks dire . Im going to stick with my Bachmann. Great video sam 👍
sam i am glad to see you back by the way please do a double review of the ho dcc sound fitted of thomas & percy at the mean time keep up a good work 🙂
My Dad's arrived... in kit form!!! Hornby QA strikes again Hopefully a replacement will arrive soon.
Good to see Hornby maybe turning a corner with new management perhaps. Airfix more my area of expertise is definitely improving.
Hi Sam, Lovely looking locomotive which as you state is unfortunately behind the times due to the delay, so perhaps it should be cheaper. I did note the flashing on the buffer stock and roof vent, not really acceptable. I'd like to see the lined version. Cheers Sam!
It looks really nice 👍
It really does! :D
Isn't this an Ivatt 2MT? By the looks of it it lacks the steep slope in the front of the running board that Standard Class 2 locos had.
That's a proper Land Rover Green!
Hi Sam. It looks to be a really nice model (I haven't watched the running tests yet). I might take issue with your comment that the dome looks realistic having no seam, but in vintage videos I have seen domes being temporarily removed for servicing/overhaul (but not necessarily a 2MT - Ivatt or otherwise). Now that you have pointed it out, there is a noticeable upturn of the running plate towards the front of the loco. Is all the (gold-painted) pipework metal?
Yeah that's fair - obviously the real dome isn't moulded into the boiler like that... but sometimes when the models have them separately fitted, there's a huge gap around the part where it sits on the body... and I think this 2MT is more realistic than that! Check out the Bachmann O class for a good example,
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I like this model, its got class.
Hi Sam a very useful review as always.
With regards to the motor I'd largely agree, but with one minor qualifier. All Hornbys small tender locos: J15, J36, K1 & Drummond 700 are geared to run slowly as in real life many of these locos had a top speed of about 50mph.
As you pointed out it's worth noting the model was hugely delayed as the factory making them was in a region of China which had multiple covid lockdowns and my understanding is some of the suppliers for the materials used also suffered in this way delaying it further. Consequently some of the features such as the DCC socket, tender-loco connection, etc aren't the latest.
Those delays were outside Hornby's control and to upgrade the features would have added unacceptable cost and further delay so I don't think we can criticise that too much although perhaps the price could reflect that better.
I'd say they should have made it more in line with the J36's which have RRPs of £165 and £178 or the big tank engines like the prairie, L1 and Fowler 4P which are £178, £180, £190. Of course the collectors club version is £190 and I've seen some of the black ones being sold for £165-175 in model shop sales.
At least it's better value than the 8f which despite it's ancient tooling, plastic body, poor detail and lack of features is an unbelievable £250 instead of in the Railroad Range where it should be.
Wonderful; a new review. Bit of a mixed bag actually isn't it. Mechanism and Quality would have lost half a star more from us though since those motors are dreadfully poor and archaic in both aspects, adding to the little quality hick-ups you've pointed out (flash). Warping of the running plate is difficult to tell; we tend to say not but it is a rather irresolute matter. Not sure what motors H have been using in their recent designs but real quality ones are from Bühler of Faulhaber. A little niggle for us as well is that we can always notice the difference between plastic and die-cast. It is very, very subtle but noticeable on camera, at least to us. But for the money, the balance of the two materials used is fine. Such a pity that development has taken 5 years (ugh). It begs the question if H had not better give it a total restart to modern standards. However 5 years is of course already weird to say the least.
Overall, not sure Sam. She would translate to ~230 Euros. Had all been okay with a quality motor, yes. As is... No... Cheerio.
surprised you missed the noticeable join line on the bottom of the boiler. Other than that, though, a very nice-looking loco!
really want to get my hands on this but its so expensive!
I'm with you - it sure does cost a lot!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Does anyone make Lamps to install on the Locos Lamp Brackets ?
Springside models is a good company, they do a range of non working locomotive lamps.
@@davidstrains4910 I think Bachmann and Dapol make non-working lamps as well, but Springside’s work as well!
Beautiful little mogul. Perhaps they’ll get knocked down by the retailers someday…
Great review to kick off the year, see ya next time!
I'm sure they will... depends how many Hornby made!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
As for firebox flicker: the Liliput classes 42 and 52 already had that in the late 1970s, albeit with bulbs rather than LED and nor flickering, yet the feature itself is nothing new.
Hi Sam, I think I found the odd one out. It is the LMS rebuilt patriot, because it's a 4-6-0 not a 2-6-0
Cheers Jasper & Willow
Well spotted!! :D
Hey Sam lovely loco but the performance reminds me of the Oxford Rail Dean goods, not in a nice way!! Great review, can't wait for more N Gauge, regards Terry.
19:17 let's just hope Sam that this motor will last a bit longer than those other motors.
Cheers Jasper & Willow
haha hopefully it will do!
Nice review. Now, Sam, as we go into 2024, can we get you to review at least one DMU or EMU this year? I think your last one was three or four years ago. (And no, i don't count the cheap Ouigo or that City Express thing.)
The enormous crack in the lower part of the boiler is a deal breaker for me. A little bit of flash i can remove but this seam in the boiler i cannot fix.
Yeah - that's actually where the body meets the chassis - it's not noticeable from most viewing angles, but very visible in the footage as you can see!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@@SamsTrains personally that doesn’t bother me on most locos, as any time a manufacturer hasn’t doe the split (cough cough Accurascale Manor), the companies have to use a smaller, weaker motor. This loco doesn’t benefit from the split anyways though because of the choice of motor
Awesome video today Sam what a beautiful modle such a shame about the motor
Do new locos need lubricating before running in Sam?
If it's a new ish release no. All models come pre lubricated from the factory (often too much oil) but if you have new old stock thats been on a shelf or it's box for a number of years it may benefit from a bit of oil because some of the factory oil may have dried up
@@sgkingly8392Thanks for this info...I always wondered about this point.
Whats better
Ivatt 2mt tanks or ivatt 2mt tender engines
In model form, the tender version, but this is a standard 2 not an ivatt
@@timbervalleyproductions oh sorry :
Yeah in model form definitely the tender versions... I think in real life I prefer those too!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@@SamsTrains idk i preffer the tank engine ones sorry :"
I think I probably prefer the 2mt tender engine, but the tanks (real-life, not the model) are really nice too.
i know you kept your promise for the second time the first one i saw was salvage or scrap & maybe if you don,t mind sam please do my request of hornby thomas & percy enjoy
I really wanted 1 of these.
But can I say Sam, i know you dislike the seams on the top of the boiler,
Of most steam locos.
But what the hell is that line, all the way along the bottom 3rd of the boiler?
I cant recall that on the real thing.
Looks good but not convinced about the price it should definitely come with 21 pin and include a speaker.
Hornby take us for granted….
Unfortunately I will not buy anything new from them & that’s a shame 😢
Great review as ever Sam👍
Cheers John b😎
Odd one out: The LMS Black Five (32:15, tender just visible)
Interesting to see your Green 2MT struggling with speed. I picked up the Lined Black version a few months ago and I can't say mine has struggled as much. That being said, my one tends to pull coaches up to 5 rather than a large freight rake so I can't comment to that.
Are you running yours on DC or DCC and what controller are you using? (I’m trying to figure out why some people are having issues with this type of motor and others are not.)
Good review.
Curious though.
So, was the release delay because of the motor?
I hope the motion is OK...
Was the flywheel even added later on to help with quality control issues?
Was the entire release then re-tested and each individual fly wheel balanced for every single loco? OK..
So Sam, please tell us how to take this model to the next level (hopefully below the 300GBP level ;-)
Let's see high quality non-Chinese? motors please?
This a 2019 Design.... on the list in China for 2020 (thats Covid Time) it would have been put back on the list when the Pandemic was declared over. Basically, the locomotive is only just 2yrs behind. Everything Sam talks about fits that time perfectly. The price would have been high in 2020-21-22 but since then it appears to be okay on price BUT the motor defect is a prominent feature.
The reason the box always has a different color is because they print in cmyk (cyan, magenta, yellow, and black) and the color will have been entered as rgb (red, blue, green).
Seems like Hornby have not realised that moving to Diecast construction means better quality and more powerful motors are needed, other recent examples being the 9f and Turbomotive.
Very much so - we've seen this on a few occasions. Plenty of more suitable motors out there, Hornby just need to use them!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
The strange thing is they introduced a more powerful motor on the P2, but that’s the only loco they have used it in. If every Hornby model had that motor, then Hornby would probably blow every other manufacturer out of the water in terms of performance.
The other two are definitely ivatt mickeys. They have the top feed case on the boiler and a straighter profile cab compared to the riddles variant
Damn, I just did the calculations, and steam trains cost double here in australia than they do in the UK
Jezz… I live in North America and our diesels are about the same price as UK ones, but for some reason our steam locomotives are 2-3 times more expensive…
Good review, but I think that you should start reviewing locos running on DC and DCC to give a complete review as the performance can be quite different. This would give potential byers a better understanding of the locos performance. Yes Sam cannot understand the persistence by Hornby in fitting under powered motors. Considering the amount of time to produce this loco you would have thought that they had time to upgrade the motor.
Piece of fishing line would sort your warp test 👍🏼
I'm sad that hornby doesn't sell its models here in Brazil, guys, in Americanas or another Brazilian store