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Genuinely appreciate how you explain all these concepts in a super digestible way. This makes so much sense and was recently what helped me finally stop hitting slices
That is so great to hear! I truly appreciate the comment and feedback on this! Means a lot! If you ever need anything or have any questions, please don’t hesitate to ask! TS
Are you originally lining up square to target? So coming in setting club to target setting feet then making adjustments? Trying to get an idea how to see this on the course.
The first thing I do setup the club (where the handle sits which creates my swing direction and how the face sits in relationship to it to create a draw pattern). Once this done, then I setup my body afterwards adjusting to the geometry I’ve preset with the golf club. Hope this helps and let me know if you have any questions!
This solely depends on the type of slice. If it's a pull slice you have a slightly closed face to target and a path that's very out to in. ( Easy fix would be drop the trail foot back)(Odds are will produce a duck hook until you find the matching foot alignment) If it's a straight slice meaning starting down the target line then veering off then odds are you are good with face control honestly but still a bad path( same as above foot alignment) If it's a push slice you're swinging as if you could draw the ball aka shallowing but you opened the face. ( Hood the face at address more and or stronger grip) It's not always a path issue and a face issue. You have to diagnose you have really 3 different slice patterns. If you hit to left and turns right it's a severe path issue If it's straight to right it's a path issue. If it's a right more right it's a face issue. I like your teaching but finding out it's 3 different styles makes it easier to fix it. A lot of people think they're face is square if it's square to target, that only works if you have a perfect path which isn't achievable 99 percent of the time. I really am an advocate for if you hit a straight slice or a straight draw you have great face control to what your intentions are. Best way I think to fix a slice is still play it, play a fade. I was a straight slice hitter for years now I hit a slight pull fade can hit both ways at times and I'm a 3.1 handicap and going down. Only thing I did was feel the toe addressing the ball a little turned down and slightly open stance I used to be very open. I aim the face at the left edge of the fairway in case it goes straight or if it does have a rare slight draw it's in the rough, grip the club set my feet recheck my target and expected landing area (2 different areas) and get through the ball
Firstly thank to for the detailed massage and your input here! Shows that you care about the game and content that is put on the web! I can’t say that I disagree with you on this. When the trail foot is back I believe the player can hit draws, straight shots and even fades. The alignment of the feet haven’t made a massive difference to the ball in my experience (unless the trail foot is to far forward or completely out of Blake being to far back). The skill set here is controlling the face to path relationship. The forearms are a huge driver for path and the pronation / supination has a lot to do with the face control. Thanks again for the detailed feedback and care here! Happy to discuss this with you anytime you’d like! My bio has a link to consultation call if you ever want to chat! Thanks, TS
@@tsgolf never ment to come off arrogant or anything because you've probably forgotten more about golf than I know tbh. But I'm just saying I've tried it all. And the best shots for me has been to really try to turn it into a pull fade. That and I know it's initial instruction to get an understanding. But watching a lot of coaches I tend to see a trend that a lot of us correlate well with detail we just don't know the details. Like athletic motion golf always says the guy did exactly what they say they're trying to do. And wasn't saying you were wrong by any means just helping to add more. It's kind of like slicing in general I think comes more from a bowed to flat lead wrist at address more than grip I'm a big component of a cupped lead wrist at address because your wrist has no chose but to flatten even if slightly and close the face. Would love to hear your feedback on this
I understand completely what you are saying. So is this video when I say lead forearm points to 2 o’clock, that is strengthening the lead hand grip (more extension of cupping). When that is combo’d with the handle forward that does a lot of what you are saying. Where the grip handle sits in relation to the club head has a lot to do with swing direction (as well as forearm alignments), then combos with the face closed to the leading edge of the shaft, this builds in a draw pattern. If you are hitting a pull fade great, controlling what your ball is doing, keep it! I wouldn’t recommend to change anything unless the contact and ball pattern isn’t performing the way you like. Hope this helps! TS
Question - You've got another video where you instruct the trail elbow to point up, like a bicep curl. There are other videos, and I believe Hogan himself, who recommend the feeling of squeezing your elbows together during the swing. Somehow I've equated those to mean the lead elbow would likewise point up, then rotate your lead hand into a neutral grip. But if I put my arm out & turn my thumb to 2 o'clock, my lead elbow points more towards the target and parallel to the ground. Have I had this wrong the whole time and the elbows are NOT symmetrical at setup? Thanks much in advance, have appreciated your content for quite some time.
So the first thing I’d say what is your ball flight doing and how is the contact overall? We also need to look at any mobility limitations we as people might have in the shoulder area. A lot can also depend on the players grip type as well for how the shoulder and forearm will work together with each other! I like hearing what it is you are doing and feeling as well as explaining it. In a stock model I like to see the left elbow pointing closer to the hip than the target line if the players grip is neutral. Even splitting hip and target line is great!
The correct answer appears to be signing up for Club TS! I've threatened for a while. 😅 Contact can be inconsistent, your recent video on lifting the front foot is definitely me. Flight on irons is high, controllably straight enough though the ball spins to the side once it lands. Long clubs, specifically driver & fairway start on track then spin off in a slice.
Thanks for sharing. A very new concept. For driver, we just need to do the forearm rotation to 2 o'clock with Straight shaft, ball position to the left heel and weight 50-50. correct?
Correct! The weight will be more neutral for most and align the ball position with low point (center of the lead shoulder). Hope this helps and thanks for the comment and feedback!
Thank you! In regards to setup in relation to a bad back I’d need to know where the back is injured and what your setup looks like as well as how you move. Happy to jump on a consultation call with you to go over it if you’d like. I’ll attach a link below: calendly.com/trevorsalzmangolf/free-15-minute-consultation Let me know if you have any questions or need anything. TS
When you look down at the leading edge of the shaft, this forms a straight line (this represents the players swing direction). When you look at the club face it has the ability to setup parallel to the shaft (square), open to the shaft (fade or slice) or closed to the shaft (draw or hook). To draw the ball the face will need to sit closed to the shaft. Hope this helps and let me know if you have any questions!
The pressure and rotation through impact would be different! Not as far forward as we aren’t trying to actually hit down on the ball. I’ll see if I can add a video for the future on driver regarding this! Thanks again for the comment and question! TS
essentially what im wondering is, is this setup in response to a slice? or is it just the correct setup regardless of a slice or not? Basically would forearms be like this in a normal correct golf setup, or a fix to counter a slice?
Bottom part of lead forearm points to lead thigh (stronger grip), point the centers of your chest and pelvis at the ball or slightly behind it (closed) and feel like these stay more closed in the downswing!
If you are hooking the ball or over drawing it this is not a necessity or something I would change it to. This is mainly for the player who is struggling with slices and fades.
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Of the best explanation I seen for hitting a draw with irons. A follow up video for hitting draws with Driver/ fairway woods would be awesome.
Thank you much! Greatly appreciate it! Will absolutely add a follow up video for the driver!
Thanks again for the comment and feedback!
Genuinely appreciate how you explain all these concepts in a super digestible way. This makes so much sense and was recently what helped me finally stop hitting slices
That is so great to hear! I truly appreciate the comment and feedback on this! Means a lot!
If you ever need anything or have any questions, please don’t hesitate to ask!
TS
Thank you for all the great explanations as always!
You got it! 🙏🙏🙏
Great video with nice detailed instruction. As well as insight. I really appreciate that. Thanks!
You got it! Thanks for the feedback and let me know if you ever need anything!
Fantastic explanation of the most basic fundamentals
Thank you so much! I appreciate the comment and feedback here! 🙏🙏
This is great. I love the idea to make sure you are “preset to actually hit the shot we are intending to hit”.
I think it really does help a lot to know that you are actually and firstly setup to hit the shot intended!
Thanks for the comment and feedback! 👊👊
Are you originally lining up square to target? So coming in setting club to target setting feet then making adjustments? Trying to get an idea how to see this on the course.
The first thing I do setup the club (where the handle sits which creates my swing direction and how the face sits in relationship to it to create a draw pattern). Once this done, then I setup my body afterwards adjusting to the geometry I’ve preset with the golf club.
Hope this helps and let me know if you have any questions!
Right on the money for my irons. Thanks.
Love it!!! Thanks for the update and let me know if you need anything!
TS
This solely depends on the type of slice.
If it's a pull slice you have a slightly closed face to target and a path that's very out to in. ( Easy fix would be drop the trail foot back)(Odds are will produce a duck hook until you find the matching foot alignment)
If it's a straight slice meaning starting down the target line then veering off then odds are you are good with face control honestly but still a bad path( same as above foot alignment)
If it's a push slice you're swinging as if you could draw the ball aka shallowing but you opened the face. ( Hood the face at address more and or stronger grip)
It's not always a path issue and a face issue. You have to diagnose you have really 3 different slice patterns.
If you hit to left and turns right it's a severe path issue
If it's straight to right it's a path issue.
If it's a right more right it's a face issue.
I like your teaching but finding out it's 3 different styles makes it easier to fix it.
A lot of people think they're face is square if it's square to target, that only works if you have a perfect path which isn't achievable 99 percent of the time. I really am an advocate for if you hit a straight slice or a straight draw you have great face control to what your intentions are.
Best way I think to fix a slice is still play it, play a fade. I was a straight slice hitter for years now I hit a slight pull fade can hit both ways at times and I'm a 3.1 handicap and going down. Only thing I did was feel the toe addressing the ball a little turned down and slightly open stance I used to be very open. I aim the face at the left edge of the fairway in case it goes straight or if it does have a rare slight draw it's in the rough, grip the club set my feet recheck my target and expected landing area (2 different areas) and get through the ball
Firstly thank to for the detailed massage and your input here! Shows that you care about the game and content that is put on the web!
I can’t say that I disagree with you on this. When the trail foot is back I believe the player can hit draws, straight shots and even fades. The alignment of the feet haven’t made a massive difference to the ball in my experience (unless the trail foot is to far forward or completely out of Blake being to far back).
The skill set here is controlling the face to path relationship. The forearms are a huge driver for path and the pronation / supination has a lot to do with the face control.
Thanks again for the detailed feedback and care here! Happy to discuss this with you anytime you’d like! My bio has a link to consultation call if you ever want to chat!
Thanks,
TS
@@tsgolf never ment to come off arrogant or anything because you've probably forgotten more about golf than I know tbh. But I'm just saying I've tried it all. And the best shots for me has been to really try to turn it into a pull fade. That and I know it's initial instruction to get an understanding. But watching a lot of coaches I tend to see a trend that a lot of us correlate well with detail we just don't know the details. Like athletic motion golf always says the guy did exactly what they say they're trying to do. And wasn't saying you were wrong by any means just helping to add more.
It's kind of like slicing in general I think comes more from a bowed to flat lead wrist at address more than grip I'm a big component of a cupped lead wrist at address because your wrist has no chose but to flatten even if slightly and close the face. Would love to hear your feedback on this
I understand completely what you are saying. So is this video when I say lead forearm points to 2 o’clock, that is strengthening the lead hand grip (more extension of cupping). When that is combo’d with the handle forward that does a lot of what you are saying.
Where the grip handle sits in relation to the club head has a lot to do with swing direction (as well as forearm alignments), then combos with the face closed to the leading edge of the shaft, this builds in a draw pattern.
If you are hitting a pull fade great, controlling what your ball is doing, keep it! I wouldn’t recommend to change anything unless the contact and ball pattern isn’t performing the way you like.
Hope this helps!
TS
Question - You've got another video where you instruct the trail elbow to point up, like a bicep curl. There are other videos, and I believe Hogan himself, who recommend the feeling of squeezing your elbows together during the swing. Somehow I've equated those to mean the lead elbow would likewise point up, then rotate your lead hand into a neutral grip. But if I put my arm out & turn my thumb to 2 o'clock, my lead elbow points more towards the target and parallel to the ground. Have I had this wrong the whole time and the elbows are NOT symmetrical at setup? Thanks much in advance, have appreciated your content for quite some time.
So the first thing I’d say what is your ball flight doing and how is the contact overall? We also need to look at any mobility limitations we as people might have in the shoulder area.
A lot can also depend on the players grip type as well for how the shoulder and forearm will work together with each other!
I like hearing what it is you are doing and feeling as well as explaining it. In a stock model I like to see the left elbow pointing closer to the hip than the target line if the players grip is neutral. Even splitting hip and target line is great!
The correct answer appears to be signing up for Club TS! I've threatened for a while. 😅
Contact can be inconsistent, your
recent video on lifting the front foot is definitely me. Flight on irons is high, controllably straight enough though the ball spins to the side once it lands. Long clubs, specifically driver & fairway start on track then spin off in a slice.
How do you divot patterns look? Is there turf interaction?
Thanks for sharing. A very new concept. For driver, we just need to do the forearm rotation to 2 o'clock with Straight shaft, ball position to the left heel and weight 50-50. correct?
Correct! The weight will be more neutral for most and align the ball position with low point (center of the lead shoulder).
Hope this helps and thanks for the comment and feedback!
Lovely explanation. Would this set up help with a bad back?
Thank you! In regards to setup in relation to a bad back I’d need to know where the back is injured and what your setup looks like as well as how you move.
Happy to jump on a consultation call with you to go over it if you’d like. I’ll attach a link below:
calendly.com/trevorsalzmangolf/free-15-minute-consultation
Let me know if you have any questions or need anything.
TS
@@tsgolf thank you for the offer, but money is very tight at the moment. Keep up the great content 👍
You got it. I’ll try and come up with something from a setup standpoint that I think might help and do a video on it in the future!
You’re the best.
Thank you!!! Greatly appreciate it!
Face closed to the shaft is the part I can’t understand. Does this mean the leading edge of the Club is slightly closed to the target?
When you look down at the leading edge of the shaft, this forms a straight line (this represents the players swing direction). When you look at the club face it has the ability to setup parallel to the shaft (square), open to the shaft (fade or slice) or closed to the shaft (draw or hook).
To draw the ball the face will need to sit closed to the shaft.
Hope this helps and let me know if you have any questions!
This same for driver
The pressure and rotation through impact would be different! Not as far forward as we aren’t trying to actually hit down on the ball.
I’ll see if I can add a video for the future on driver regarding this!
Thanks again for the comment and question!
TS
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This is also low point control for the player and setting up a swing direction! Big skill set in ball striking!
sorry bro can you explain this to me like im 10 years old hahahahha im getting it but then dont want to confuse myself
essentially what im wondering is, is this setup in response to a slice? or is it just the correct setup regardless of a slice or not? Basically would forearms be like this in a normal correct golf setup, or a fix to counter a slice?
Bottom part of lead forearm points to lead thigh (stronger grip), point the centers of your chest and pelvis at the ball or slightly behind it (closed) and feel like these stay more closed in the downswing!
If you are hooking the ball or over drawing it this is not a necessity or something I would change it to. This is mainly for the player who is struggling with slices and fades.