LTT has a video where they use a slow motion camera to observe the differences in micro stutters between 1k and 8k on a 360hz monitor. Which I think is better than drawing lines on a page.
imma wait for the viper mini ultimate 8k. When i think about polling rate i imagine the pc and mouse screaming at each other. like "HEY MOUSE!! YOU MOVING?!?! NO?? OK!!" 8000 times a second.
i hope the battery life gonna improve, i dont own a wireless mice but i know people who have one sets at 125hz to have the battery life not to drain quickly since 1000hz drains quickly.
Great video. The explanation and graphs make this super easy to understand. It’s been said “if you can’t explain something to an 8 year old, you don’t truly understand it yourself”. These guys obviously know what they are doing. 👍🏻
Just got this mouse, heres how I feel about it so far: Im coming from a bigger mouse, so this feels a little small to me. It works amazing though, I love how customizable it is.
The thing with higher Hz's monitors is they tend to be smoother visually and it might be that the higher polling mice might more smoother than lower polling mice.
I’d prefer wireless more than a freaking high DPI and/or polling rate, so I’ve bought Viper Ultimate (with charging dock) during the most recent Black Friday
@@baldino9165 Agreed I still have a wired but when I upgrade it will be wireless since that's the only thing I really care about Wired has just have me too many movements where I feel like I'm having to pull my mouse whilst someone else is holding it. Even when it's not tugging I can feel the weight towards the front
This is a game-changer one of those things you have to see it in person like I refresh monitors even with g-sync the clarity and smoothness unreal. In going from 140 + FPS you see the difference the problem is we've been limited to 1000 polling. I play on a 240Hz g-sync ultimate 3080 I've gone through so many different gaming mice currently using a glorious D-
Even at 60 fps 1k polling rate was like the minimum one where you start not being able to discern differences between anything higher. At 240 Hz you would need 4k mouse for same experience.
Same here i will also play on 1000 hz .... the reason am buying it its upgraded focus + sensor and mice feets..... moreover it is still better choice over other wired mices and with a future support ???
Someone should make a video where 2 gamers who aren’t experienced get absolutely different rigs. One is 320Hz monitor, maxed out GPU/CPU. With 8K mouse. Other is 60Hz, 1080GPU/CPU equal. With Razer Viper V1. Have them play against each other same game but also switch rigs after. Also have them compete in single player games that require good response and such. It would be a good test in seeing how big a difference hardware makes.
In the past, I had used a lot of different mice. Nothing high end, but good mice. And when I went to a Deathadder at a certain point, it was a BIG jump in sensor quality. Since then, minor improvements have been made, all these DPI boosts haven't really helped me play games. But the advantage is that even the cheapest name brand mice are absolutely AMAZING. Even the Basilisk X Hyperspeed I just got, which is a $60 wireless mouse, has no noticeable latency, an amazing sensor, and a 1000 Hz polling rate. So I'm happy to see an 8000 Hz polling rate roll out to cheaper mice rather than being a flagship product. It just means that in the future, everyone will have hardware that far exceeds their own capabilities. And that's nothing but a good thing.
Nice explanation of the technological edge of a 8kHz polling rate vs 1kHz but I'm surprised to see that neither RJN nor you guys ran the mouse through mouse tester or Benq's mouse rate checker in order to verify Razer's polling rate claims. The mouse is not sending the same amount of data constantly. I doubt that you come even close to 2 kHz when doing flicks. Even 1kHz is only reached when its required for the amount of data sent per second. In competitive gaming the highest reliably reproducible performance is usually preferred over intermittent peaks in performance. If there's too much polling rate fluctuation at 8kHz that number is more marketing than anything else and the target audience will stick to 500Hz/1000Hz. So yes there 's a way to either validate or invalidate the benefits you 'felt" to your aim during tests.
Seeing as you need really high monitor refresh rate and fps to not bottleneck the 8khz polling rate and get a bigger performance impact on your CPU, I can see myself only using it at 2k or 4k where it should be more of a reasonable upgrade, which is a nice thing to have. I think the optical buttons will make the bigger difference. I went full optical already across mouse and keyboard.
I've been apprehensive about Razer products ever since I bought the razer hex naga few years before. The dpi get insane after few years and there is a lot of people have experience the same unstable dpi after 1-2 years after buying it.
I have had my deathadder for like 10 years and i never had any technical problems with. I am playing pvp shooter games at competition level. But a few days ago i was raging because of a university online test and hit the desk with it hard. Now the scroll wheel isnt working correctly anymore. I will buy a viper 8k today.
I have this mouse right now, was thinking of exchanging with basilisk v3 but after watching your video i am gonna stick with this viper 8khz. Thanks a lot
So, after using this mouse for year and a half, I can tell you this: You need a beefy CPU to run the mouse at 8Khz, otherwise, your games will start experiencing, stutters, lag spikes (Caused by latency) , and heavy FPS drop, depending on the title. Practical experience: 1 - 2k will have barely any impact on your computer but keep in mind, 2k will give you an minor edge over most common mouses (As they run at 800 - 1200), unfortunately, because the performance drops as you go up (Diminishing returns, in reality 8K does NOT mean 8 times the performance, the higher Hz you go, the less you get out of it improvement wise), there's barely any difference between 4k and 8k, you might as well leave it at 4k. In games such as CS: The difference is noticeable if going from 1k to 4K, however 2K isn't a huge enough difference like 4K was and 8K will feel, look and perform the same as 4K, assuming you have a strong enough CPU to keep up with the polling rates. Also, big, big, big note: While I did not notice any difference in performance going from 60Hz to 144HZ, you might see a difference at 500+Hz, because that's the refresh rate the 8Khz setting would expect. not sure what monitors supports those speeds though. I'm happy with the mouse, better than most of the ones I had through my time, but, atm, seems like 4K is the sweet spot.
So I've managed to get my hands on one and I can very clearly tell the diff between 144 and 240hz on screens and yeah at 240hz 240fps there's something to the 8k pooling rate it feels ever so slightly snappier and smoother. But do I play better with it? No. I play better with the GPW SL because I prefer the shape.
Also - please test: 1) How much CPU does it use (1000Hz can spike up CPU after mouse movement) 2) Is it stable (many gamers use 500Hz constant polling rate due to 1000Hz being unstable so they get 900-950Hz, nothing constant)
Wow, perfect timing. I was ABOUT to order my first razer viper mouse but now I will wait for a bit and order the 8K one. Naaah, I will wait and see if the now old viper gets price cuts and then get it :D
I picked one of these up about a month ago on a really good sale. At that price it's fine. The 8k polling works without issue for me. The shape is fine for me (fingertip grip). Palm grip is fine too. I don't like the cable though. It's super soft and that's good but it's braided and I really don't like braided. The middle mouse switch is way to sensitive on mine and I had to disable it because I was constantly clicking it unintentionally while scrolling in web browsers. I was able to work around the problem in gaming by reassigning any affected key bindings. I still use it but I doubt I'll buy another because of the middle mouse issue I have. As for the polling, I'll be looking for 8k mice in the future.
I'm excited for this, I just ordered myself one, I hope I can feel the difference at least a little. Having a wire will be a little weird, but I do hope this brings some smoother and more responsive mice to the gaming space.
did you try a reaction test? any difference? also i feel like a high refresh keyboard would primarily be important in MOBA games or even OW and Valorant
Did they actually changed/improved the current button switches or they gonna crap out after 4 months of use? I've already returned 2 Basilisks in 6 months cause of double clicks.
Cool stuff, but can you set the polling to 2k or 4k too or just 1k or 8k? Btw it's a good thing they just replace the old viper with this, more features same price is always good. As for me well I got the ultimate and I love it especially for the shape which is comfortable for my grip and my had size, i don't think I will change mouse so soon, and 1k is good enough especially for a guy like me that used to play before the 1000 hz polling rate, Anti-Ghosting and N-Key Rollover all the old stuff that today you take for granted, and my first mech was the first model of the blackwidow ultimate from Razer back in the days and it was a gamechanger.
Do you think they have released the most mice in one year ive ever seen. Absolutely unreal. Of course they are all case to case use basis its still amazing they went from such a small varied lineup refreshing every few years to like 10+ in a year. sheeeeesh
You can definitely feel the improvement going from 500 to 1000hz but 8000hz is as you mentioned reaching diminishing returns. It's free and updated tech so it's a move in the right direction IF you can lower the polling rate in the software, which I don't think you mentioned.
Hello, i would like to know how is the scroll wheel a bit further.. does it require too much effort to roll it?(stiff, tough to roll etc) Or is it smooth and light like in the roccat burst series?? Smooth scroll wheel is an important point to me when getting a mouse , thanks in advance.
that 1ms does not matter much so dont expect any difference until you have a 360Hz monitor, a blazing fast pc that can keep pace without dropping frames, etc. what i say is 1mhz or 8mhz polling rate is waaaay down the list to worry about.
I really like your videos, Dmitry, but this one feels really stretched out for monetization purposes. You do not really transport information that could not have fit in a video half as long. Also you did not mention the issues, the technology apparently has right now - I'd like to refer you to Zy's video to find out about those. That one is only about 3 minutes long, too. No offense, but that's not the best look.
@@filipbunalti You likely mean "washed up"? ;) Anyway, even if these issues are not prevalent in most cases, I still maintain that Dmitry's video is light on actual information considering its length. It is certainly *supposed* to cover the technology behind it all, but he leaves quite a bit out still.
I get a lot of stuttering lag and slowdown when I run games like CSGO and Rust with the mouse set to 8k. Runs perfectly at 1k though. Using an i7 7700, gtx 1080 and 16gb of ram. The games normally run flawless with zero slowdown.
@@Aquaplayer-yb1sz it is. I have to turn mine down to 1000-2000 for it to be playable in CSGO, personally, even with a new pc I built after my post (5600x, rtx 3080)
TBH, if your monitor isn't even 500Hz, 1000Hz is overkill. These mouse makers are just trying to differentiate themselves in the market. I appreciate your efforts to try and give a fair perspective on this mouse guys
Are these optical switches going to address the seemingly inevitable clicking problems we see with so many mice using mechanical switches? I seem to be unable to avoid that annoying double clicking issue with my mice. It's also a problem for keyboards built with contact based switches, eventually developing key chatter even if you try to keep the board in pristine condition. As far as I've heard, optical switches are theoretically immune to this problem due to their contact-less nature, but I'm wondering if the same principle applies to mouse switches. In my experience, a couple MX keyboards and 4 mice have developed this involuntary double input problem over time, which is extremely jarring. I don't care much about the polling rate thing, though. I'm not a competitive FPS player myself, and I mostly play RPGs, where involuntary double clicking is a much bigger problem than latency. Even for standard productivity use the double-clicking is annoying as hell.
I bought the razer viper 8k and have been using 8khz polling rate to play mw2. It doesn't lag or anything but I noticed my sensitivity slows down a bit when I am on 8000 hz. Up to 4000, it's the same as 1000 which is fine. For example if I was dragging my mouse 5cm to move the pointer from point a to point b on 4000hz, it takes 8cm now on 8khz. Why is that? I get good frames, around 130 to 140. Clicks are instant and tracking is very good.
9:27 Disagree. The way I interpret Razers marketing is no matter what frame rate is being displayed the mouse will appear smoother WITHIN that displays frame rate as compared to 1khz mouse.
If you have the Asus 360hz monitor with REFLEX LATENCY ANALYSER why was there no latency test with this mouse in the video? So we could see the comparison of the system latency comparing the 2 mice 1000hz vs 8000hz.
5ms response means an average of 2.5ms for the polling to click. You can hit the polling at 0mn or 5ms. The stats for the Razer Viper 8k are eight times better.
I still member videos form barncles saying that for his 60 inch triple tv set up, the high dpi multiplier was a benefit. But like, without the software to functionally be able to pick out your preference in sensitivity, like with whatever pixel count you have, whatever foot print your panel takes up, aspect ratio. I think as long as you get to have an imediate software in to be able to get dialed in pretty quickly. I dont remember which one, but one company implemented in their software having all number variations in dpi sensitivity. Where you could set it down to the single digit increments. Linus also did a video recently, when they got another mouse in house. And they showed with their slow mo cam and covered some of the explanation of math to do with frame rate. So also being, people with 360 refresh rate would benefit a small bit with the whole 8000hz polling rate. I don't entirely understand this technology and stuff though. Like, with monitors or touch screen panels, or even keyboards come with their own polling rate. Why? I don't get it, im not able to understand that stuff.
There was also the rog spatha and maybe the ouroboros, i think? But i remember the spatha having eother 2000hz or 3000hz polling rate. A really chunky weighted mouse though. Never really had any relevance but it was one of the first mouses to break a 1000hz in the first place.
I honestly wonder why Razer is doing all these things, yet they are unable to release keyboards with linear switches that don't have the US layout. If they sell the switches and have layouts for all the different territories, how hard is it to combine the two.
Would this work on the new Xbox series x?? I also have an very good 144hz 1440p 1ms monitor with the series x. So I guess I'm asking would this be to much over kill or just fine
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I bought it to leave zoom calls faster. It’s worth every penny.
Here waiting for it to arrive in my country and see how inflated it is due to third world stuff
@@wavv4365 i hope it’s not too much :D
The only real advantage of an 8K Hz mouse tbh 😂
-D.
@@wavv4365 It's not "Third world stuff", It's "Any country that isn't the USA stuff."
I love this comment 🤣🤣🤣
Linus: 8K cameras
Dmitry: 8K mice
Linus: Also 8K mice
Linus: Also 12K cameras
Hardware Unboxed: lets talk DDR5
I'm ahead of you guys with 16k ZLED TV dudes...
12k cameras
8k gpus
480hz monitor
That is Linus
one of the best explainations..rather than just saying "it's overkill"
Agreed however I believe it’s still overkill lol
@@chillout3521 yeah.. instead they should bring back ps/2 port
@@vishaltandale6382 😂👌
LTT has a video where they use a slow motion camera to observe the differences in micro stutters between 1k and 8k on a 360hz monitor. Which I think is better than drawing lines on a page.
@@AresWasTaken then you start using it in games like rjn did and they stutter because games arent used to it yet
The lighting on this video is probably one of the best I've seen on youtube, just superb work.
Thanks thanks 🙏 💡
-D.
Gotta upgrade to that liquid tiberium processing core
finally, i can whiff as smooth as possible
LMAO
This with Nvidia reflex 👌
Technically it's less smooth it's more choppy because it registers more but I get u
LMAOO
imma wait for the viper mini ultimate 8k. When i think about polling rate i imagine the pc and mouse screaming at each other. like "HEY MOUSE!! YOU MOVING?!?! NO?? OK!!" 8000 times a second.
i hope the battery life gonna improve, i dont own a wireless mice but i know people who have one sets at 125hz to have the battery life not to drain quickly since 1000hz drains quickly.
D: "I'm not a super pro gamer"
Also D: *shows clips of him absolutely destroying enemies*
Great video. The explanation and graphs make this super easy to understand. It’s been said “if you can’t explain something to an 8 year old, you don’t truly understand it yourself”. These guys obviously know what they are doing. 👍🏻
Thought they meant 8K resolution there for a second
It is 8K resolution, of a second.
1 fps on 8k
Me having 10$ mouse:
What is latency?
Nice video!
didnt know verified users come that fast
Thanks thanks :)
-D.
@@HardwareCanucks hi
@Luigitec Dale, vai lançar video desse mouse ai?
Just got this mouse, heres how I feel about it so far:
Im coming from a bigger mouse, so this feels a little small to me. It works amazing though, I love how customizable it is.
had to go with this because my fat mouse made me overused my thumb smh
I like the fact that it is ever so slightly heavier. While I don't want a "weighty" mouse, I prefer the feel of one that isn't like a thin empty shell
The thing with higher Hz's monitors is they tend to be smoother visually and it might be that the higher polling mice might more smoother than lower polling mice.
I’d prefer wireless more than a freaking high DPI and/or polling rate, so I’ve bought Viper Ultimate (with charging dock) during the most recent Black Friday
+1 what's the point of high polling rate if your hand gets tugged everytime you move your mouse?
@@baldino9165 Agreed I still have a wired but when I upgrade it will be wireless since that's the only thing I really care about
Wired has just have me too many movements where I feel like I'm having to pull my mouse whilst someone else is holding it. Even when it's not tugging I can feel the weight towards the front
...so you got it last year
@@baldino9165 mouse bungee, that’s a thing by the way
@@TheSunIsMyDestroyer yes. another desk clutter because you gimped on your mouse.
This is a game-changer one of those things you have to see it in person like I refresh monitors even with g-sync the clarity and smoothness unreal. In going from 140 + FPS you see the difference the problem is we've been limited to 1000 polling.
I play on a 240Hz g-sync ultimate 3080 I've gone through so many different gaming mice currently using a glorious D-
ive got the same setup as you, hows the mouse, is it worth it over others
Even at 60 fps 1k polling rate was like the minimum one where you start not being able to discern differences between anything higher. At 240 Hz you would need 4k mouse for same experience.
God knows why this channel gets so less views..! 🤔 Its pretty damn straightforward and informative!
Me: Cassually going down to the comments after hearing 69 grams...
Hahahahhaha 69 funni number hahahahhahahahahaha
@@suck4599 Indeed
6:50 his keyboard didnt want to live anymore
Mainly want to buy it because it's a wired Viper with the upgraded feet. I'll turn the rate back down to 1000 until more games support it properly.
Same here i will also play on 1000 hz .... the reason am buying it its upgraded focus + sensor and mice feets..... moreover it is still better choice over other wired mices and with a future support ???
Any chance you know why my game lags whenever I use that mouse? Like it only lags when I turn but when I use my old mouse it’s 100% fine..
@@bedsoaker because u use 8000 hz … set your polling rate to 1000 for now no game and configuration supports 8000 pooliing rate .. game will hang af
@@DrJitenderBains ty man, I got scared that my mouse was ass for a second
@@bedsoaker np bro just use 1000 polling rate and enjoy
Someone should make a video where 2 gamers who aren’t experienced get absolutely different rigs.
One is 320Hz monitor, maxed out GPU/CPU. With 8K mouse.
Other is 60Hz, 1080GPU/CPU equal. With Razer Viper V1.
Have them play against each other same game but also switch rigs after.
Also have them compete in single player games that require good response and such.
It would be a good test in seeing how big a difference hardware makes.
That's a neat idea, found something yet?
Would this be a good deal right now for 39$?
In the past, I had used a lot of different mice. Nothing high end, but good mice. And when I went to a Deathadder at a certain point, it was a BIG jump in sensor quality. Since then, minor improvements have been made, all these DPI boosts haven't really helped me play games. But the advantage is that even the cheapest name brand mice are absolutely AMAZING. Even the Basilisk X Hyperspeed I just got, which is a $60 wireless mouse, has no noticeable latency, an amazing sensor, and a 1000 Hz polling rate.
So I'm happy to see an 8000 Hz polling rate roll out to cheaper mice rather than being a flagship product. It just means that in the future, everyone will have hardware that far exceeds their own capabilities. And that's nothing but a good thing.
Nice explanation of the technological edge of a 8kHz polling rate vs 1kHz but I'm surprised to see that neither RJN nor you guys ran the mouse through mouse tester or Benq's mouse rate checker in order to verify Razer's polling rate claims. The mouse is not sending the same amount of data constantly. I doubt that you come even close to 2 kHz when doing flicks. Even 1kHz is only reached when its required for the amount of data sent per second. In competitive gaming the highest reliably reproducible performance is usually preferred over intermittent peaks in performance. If there's too much polling rate fluctuation at 8kHz that number is more marketing than anything else and the target audience will stick to 500Hz/1000Hz. So yes there 's a way to either validate or invalidate the benefits you 'felt" to your aim during tests.
I wanted to order the viper and i saw this and i'm like lets go buy this
OUT OF STOCK
I:
It’s in stock on Amazon and EBay now
Seeing as you need really high monitor refresh rate and fps to not bottleneck the 8khz polling rate and get a bigger performance impact on your CPU, I can see myself only using it at 2k or 4k where it should be more of a reasonable upgrade, which is a nice thing to have.
I think the optical buttons will make the bigger difference. I went full optical already across mouse and keyboard.
I've been apprehensive about Razer products ever since I bought the razer hex naga few years before.
The dpi get insane after few years and there is a lot of people have experience the same unstable dpi after 1-2 years after buying it.
I have had my deathadder for like 10 years and i never had any technical problems with. I am playing pvp shooter games at competition level. But a few days ago i was raging because of a university online test and hit the desk with it hard. Now the scroll wheel isnt working correctly anymore. I will buy a viper 8k today.
Huh? Why did his CS:GO work fine when RJN's didn't?
1 year later is it worth 30£? Given how the market changed and evolved and new brands coming out with similar specs.
Excellent breakdown and great points throughout.
Already ordered mines 🤟🏻🤯🔥
I have this mouse right now, was thinking of exchanging with basilisk v3 but after watching your video i am gonna stick with this viper 8khz. Thanks a lot
Excellent review. Just enough in-depth analysis and practical advice. Thanks!
Is this still a wireless mouse?
Or you have to use the cable?
I have the razor viper ultimate wireless and love it!
Would love if you make a review of the 360hz monitor. Cheers
So, after using this mouse for year and a half, I can tell you this:
You need a beefy CPU to run the mouse at 8Khz, otherwise, your games will start experiencing, stutters, lag spikes (Caused by latency) , and heavy FPS drop, depending on the title.
Practical experience: 1 - 2k will have barely any impact on your computer but keep in mind, 2k will give you an minor edge over most common mouses (As they run at 800 - 1200), unfortunately, because the performance drops as you go up (Diminishing returns, in reality 8K does NOT mean 8 times the performance, the higher Hz you go, the less you get out of it improvement wise), there's barely any difference between 4k and 8k, you might as well leave it at 4k.
In games such as CS: The difference is noticeable if going from 1k to 4K, however 2K isn't a huge enough difference like 4K was and 8K will feel, look and perform the same as 4K, assuming you have a strong enough CPU to keep up with the polling rates.
Also, big, big, big note: While I did not notice any difference in performance going from 60Hz to 144HZ, you might see a difference at 500+Hz, because that's the refresh rate the 8Khz setting would expect. not sure what monitors supports those speeds though.
I'm happy with the mouse, better than most of the ones I had through my time, but, atm, seems like 4K is the sweet spot.
Very interesting discussion. I like it. Time to watch Rocket's review.
Thanks fellas! Great video!
So I've managed to get my hands on one and I can very clearly tell the diff between 144 and 240hz on screens and yeah at 240hz 240fps there's something to the 8k pooling rate it feels ever so slightly snappier and smoother. But do I play better with it? No. I play better with the GPW SL because I prefer the shape.
Thank you so much for the video with Russian subtitles! Very informative:)
800% improvement in specs
0.1% noticable improvements
10% improvement in confidence because you have the FASTEST MOUSE
The problem with Razer products is that their stuff is generally plasticy, creaky and cheap feeling, but for a high price tag because they look nice.
I wonder if the cpu usage will still be high if I lowered the polling rate to 1000? Please answer, thx!😉
When I saw the title my dumb head was like "whoa 8K mouse, sick!!..... wait a second !!"
Same thing but it actually has an 8k Hz polling rate so I guess that's cool..
Great review like always! Thank you for the complete honesty and transparency. ❤️
Also - please test:
1) How much CPU does it use (1000Hz can spike up CPU after mouse movement)
2) Is it stable (many gamers use 500Hz constant polling rate due to 1000Hz being unstable so they get 900-950Hz, nothing constant)
2021: 8khz gaming mice.
2050: 1,000,000hz gaming mice.
Wow, perfect timing. I was ABOUT to order my first razer viper mouse but now I will wait for a bit and order the 8K one.
Naaah, I will wait and see if the now old viper gets price cuts and then get it :D
I picked one of these up about a month ago on a really good sale. At that price it's fine. The 8k polling works without issue for me. The shape is fine for me (fingertip grip). Palm grip is fine too. I don't like the cable though. It's super soft and that's good but it's braided and I really don't like braided. The middle mouse switch is way to sensitive on mine and I had to disable it because I was constantly clicking it unintentionally while scrolling in web browsers. I was able to work around the problem in gaming by reassigning any affected key bindings. I still use it but I doubt I'll buy another because of the middle mouse issue I have. As for the polling, I'll be looking for 8k mice in the future.
I'm excited for this, I just ordered myself one, I hope I can feel the difference at least a little. Having a wire will be a little weird, but I do hope this brings some smoother and more responsive mice to the gaming space.
honestly, played around with the mouse at a razer facility... doesnt really feel that much better, especially if you are playing on 144 hz monitor.
@@SUPERYOUTOBEMAN Interesting.
Any chance you know what it makes my game lag whenever I try to look around lol
i play with 240hz monitor but had low response time mouse now that i have this it’s insane
@@camlag4598 in a good way or a bad way
did you try a reaction test? any difference?
also i feel like a high refresh keyboard would primarily be important in MOBA games or even OW and Valorant
Did they actually changed/improved the current button switches or they gonna crap out after 4 months of use? I've already returned 2 Basilisks in 6 months cause of double clicks.
but how comfortable is it in terms of long periods of usage?
thank you for the review.. i'm getting it soon to replace my g305
Finally! I've been waiting for this for a bit now.
Why?
Cool stuff, but can you set the polling to 2k or 4k too or just 1k or 8k? Btw it's a good thing they just replace the old viper with this, more features same price is always good. As for me well I got the ultimate and I love it especially for the shape which is comfortable for my grip and my had size, i don't think I will change mouse so soon, and 1k is good enough especially for a guy like me that used to play before the 1000 hz polling rate, Anti-Ghosting and N-Key Rollover all the old stuff that today you take for granted, and my first mech was the first model of the blackwidow ultimate from Razer back in the days and it was a gamechanger.
What should I get?
Logitech g pro x super light
Razer viper ultimate
Razer viper 8k
Glorious model o wireless
Looking at a new mouse. I have a 240hz monitor. Will this mouse offer any noticable difference from my Corsair M65 Pro?
When do I have to upgrade my GPU to use my gaming chair ?
Thanks for the paper demonstration. Really clears up why 8k is good. Thanks!
You don't notice any difference. I personally don't even feel a difference between 500 hz and 1000 hz.
@@Spudriman you dont, but many others will claim THEY do.
@@musek5048 Yes. It is impossible to notice a difference....
@@Spudriman 500 feels slightly jankier than 1000hz.
It's just the jankiness overall that 8k will just eliminate.
@@Spudriman it literally isn't but ok
Do you think they have released the most mice in one year ive ever seen. Absolutely unreal. Of course they are all case to case use basis its still amazing they went from such a small varied lineup refreshing every few years to like 10+ in a year. sheeeeesh
Is 8k polling rate supported for all games? Or i should wait new games updates to support 8k polling rate?
You can definitely feel the improvement going from 500 to 1000hz but 8000hz is as you mentioned reaching diminishing returns. It's free and updated tech so it's a move in the right direction IF you can lower the polling rate in the software, which I don't think you mentioned.
you can lower it, 125\500\1000\2k\4k\8k
Hello, i would like to know how is the scroll wheel a bit further.. does
it require too much effort to roll it?(stiff, tough to roll etc) Or is it smooth and light like
in the roccat burst series?? Smooth scroll wheel is an important point
to me when getting a mouse , thanks in advance.
that 1ms does not matter much so dont expect any difference until you have a 360Hz monitor, a blazing fast pc that can keep pace without dropping frames, etc. what i say is 1mhz or 8mhz polling rate is waaaay down the list to worry about.
Just can't wait for.
VIPER 8K WIRELESS.
Not possible with current tech unless you're willing to use a very very very heavy mouse lmfao
@@zazabean23 more like same size.
But like 300USD.
@@JTL1776 8khz is not even viable wired
Literally just bought the ultimate
Sammmme
return it if you can
@@IlIlIlllIlIlIllli try to return it and get this instead
@@impartial6119 LMAO why, RVU shits all over this useless gimmick
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Is the model o better?
no
This a an absolutely amazing mouse thank you for the recommendation worth every penny
The mouse I’m looking forward to seeing is the Rocket Jump Ninja mouse! I really wish it was wireless tho :(
He put up a vid already. He had stuttering issues in some games.
@@007TheReaper007 He talking about Xrtfy RJN mouse
@@md.taufiqulhuq7827 yup!
Any stutter?
I just watched rocket jump ninja's video and he said if you use 8K pulling rate games will be suttery. Is that happening to u ?
I really like your videos, Dmitry, but this one feels really stretched out for monetization purposes. You do not really transport information that could not have fit in a video half as long. Also you did not mention the issues, the technology apparently has right now - I'd like to refer you to Zy's video to find out about those. That one is only about 3 minutes long, too. No offense, but that's not the best look.
Tens of posts on reddit saying the same thing as dmitry (no issues in most games) vs one washed out reviewer with his unoptimized PC.
@@filipbunalti You likely mean "washed up"? ;)
Anyway, even if these issues are not prevalent in most cases, I still maintain that Dmitry's video is light on actual information considering its length. It is certainly *supposed* to cover the technology behind it all, but he leaves quite a bit out still.
got this mouse for my birthday wanted to see review on it
I get a lot of stuttering lag and slowdown when I run games like CSGO and Rust with the mouse set to 8k. Runs perfectly at 1k though. Using an i7 7700, gtx 1080 and 16gb of ram. The games normally run flawless with zero slowdown.
is the polling rate customizable on synapse?
@@Aquaplayer-yb1sz it is. I have to turn mine down to 1000-2000 for it to be playable in CSGO, personally, even with a new pc I built after my post (5600x, rtx 3080)
TBH, if your monitor isn't even 500Hz, 1000Hz is overkill. These mouse makers are just trying to differentiate themselves in the market. I appreciate your efforts to try and give a fair perspective on this mouse guys
Are these optical switches going to address the seemingly inevitable clicking problems we see with so many mice using mechanical switches? I seem to be unable to avoid that annoying double clicking issue with my mice. It's also a problem for keyboards built with contact based switches, eventually developing key chatter even if you try to keep the board in pristine condition. As far as I've heard, optical switches are theoretically immune to this problem due to their contact-less nature, but I'm wondering if the same principle applies to mouse switches. In my experience, a couple MX keyboards and 4 mice have developed this involuntary double input problem over time, which is extremely jarring. I don't care much about the polling rate thing, though. I'm not a competitive FPS player myself, and I mostly play RPGs, where involuntary double clicking is a much bigger problem than latency. Even for standard productivity use the double-clicking is annoying as hell.
I bought the razer viper 8k and have been using 8khz polling rate to play mw2. It doesn't lag or anything but I noticed my sensitivity slows down a bit when I am on 8000 hz. Up to 4000, it's the same as 1000 which is fine. For example if I was dragging my mouse 5cm to move the pointer from point a to point b on 4000hz, it takes 8cm now on 8khz. Why is that? I get good frames, around 130 to 140. Clicks are instant and tracking is very good.
PLEASE release this in white, doesn't make sense for just the ultimate to have it now.
9:27 Disagree. The way I interpret Razers marketing is no matter what frame rate is being displayed the mouse will appear smoother WITHIN that displays frame rate as compared to 1khz mouse.
should i get the viper 8khz just for the switches against viper ultimate or the switches dont matter a lot?
Wow! Now my aim can suck in 8k
I really dig this! But I will live with my Model O wireless latency
If you have the Asus 360hz monitor with REFLEX LATENCY ANALYSER why was there no latency test with this mouse in the video? So we could see the comparison of the system latency comparing the 2 mice 1000hz vs 8000hz.
5ms response means an average of 2.5ms for the polling to click. You can hit the polling at 0mn or 5ms. The stats for the Razer Viper 8k are eight times better.
Well i just got the original Viper for 49€ instead of the original 89,99€ the 8 K costs now, so thats a win for me :)
Hi! What gaming monitor do u have in the background at 6:39 ?
5:15 "hello everybody welcome back to online mouse class"
I still member videos form barncles saying that for his 60 inch triple tv set up, the high dpi multiplier was a benefit. But like, without the software to functionally be able to pick out your preference in sensitivity, like with whatever pixel count you have, whatever foot print your panel takes up, aspect ratio. I think as long as you get to have an imediate software in to be able to get dialed in pretty quickly. I dont remember which one, but one company implemented in their software having all number variations in dpi sensitivity. Where you could set it down to the single digit increments.
Linus also did a video recently, when they got another mouse in house. And they showed with their slow mo cam and covered some of the explanation of math to do with frame rate. So also being, people with 360 refresh rate would benefit a small bit with the whole 8000hz polling rate.
I don't entirely understand this technology and stuff though. Like, with monitors or touch screen panels, or even keyboards come with their own polling rate. Why? I don't get it, im not able to understand that stuff.
There was also the rog spatha and maybe the ouroboros, i think? But i remember the spatha having eother 2000hz or 3000hz polling rate. A really chunky weighted mouse though. Never really had any relevance but it was one of the first mouses to break a 1000hz in the first place.
I honestly wonder why Razer is doing all these things, yet they are unable to release keyboards with linear switches that don't have the US layout. If they sell the switches and have layouts for all the different territories, how hard is it to combine the two.
Razer Viper 8KHz or logitech g502 lightspeed??
How does it compare to the Viper Ultimate though?
Its the same mouse, but wired.
I need 8000hz polling rate for my brain
The buttun on the bottom what dpi stages are they? Which one is the 3,200 dpi is it the yellow one?
Would this work on the new Xbox series x?? I also have an very good 144hz 1440p 1ms monitor with the series x. So I guess I'm asking would this be to much over kill or just fine
If you want the fastest report rate of a mouse, you need to go old school PS/2, because those connections are interrupt based instead of polling.
is razer gud guy now or what u think ?
It comes with stickers?
I'm sold
I’m sorry but in my opinion mice need to be going wireless not increasing the polling rate, that’s my opinion anyway it could be completely wrong
My mouse have -50ms latency, it will move before I even think of moving it
Is Razer Naga Trinity gonna get a update or not , I am looking to buy one for my self .