2023 Honda Civic Type R (FL5) vs VW Golf R (Mk8) | PistonHeads

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  • @mo-r-racing
    @mo-r-racing ปีที่แล้ว +264

    Duno who this new presenter is but he's fantastic. Reminded me of Chris Harris. Lots of details, lots of specifics about the driver feel and handling, not just reading a spec sheet, but how those specs translate. Fantastic.

    • @sq1rlsqu4d
      @sq1rlsqu4d ปีที่แล้ว +11

      John Howell, and I agree, he's a very good reviewer. His written articles on PH are pretty damn good too :)

    • @Diecastclassicist
      @Diecastclassicist ปีที่แล้ว +11

      Similar voice too.

    • @ashykings
      @ashykings ปีที่แล้ว

      Funny you say that, he loves this car but CH said don't bother just get the mk7. I enjoyed watching this all the same.

    • @pmr01
      @pmr01 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      looks like david cameron.

    • @coldvaper
      @coldvaper ปีที่แล้ว +12

      In the opening narration I thought it was Chris Harris.

  • @u04pww2
    @u04pww2 ปีที่แล้ว +74

    Excellent reviewer, thought it was Chris Harris at first. He summed up the golf for me when he said it's "effective". If you want to get from A to B quickly, easily and in comfort that's the car for you. If you want excellent driving dynamics, gearshift, steering feel and most importantly fun then the Type R is leagues ahead.

  • @markberesford2447
    @markberesford2447 ปีที่แล้ว +29

    Great review no humour to attempt to keep you entertained just pure petrol head enthusiasm , I was hooked to the end .

  • @onemorelap
    @onemorelap ปีที่แล้ว +47

    Great presenter - would love to see more reviews with him. Spot on!

  • @adamf8335
    @adamf8335 ปีที่แล้ว +60

    I haven't been too impressed with the reviewers on PistonHeads channel but today I found myself in a happy place. Great review, great video and great presenter.

  • @tyranic1
    @tyranic1 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    For me it's simple. I live in a city, self employed and need to get to work every day to get paid. I have a sloping drive to get off, stop start traffic, dual carriageways, motorways, the odd b roads. All faced in potential ice, downpours ,diesel spills with the odd bit of sun. The golf is better equipped to deal with our uk weather. Not only that i,'m extremely happy to say my fully speced dsg 7.5 is the perfect car for this. It's all very well watching guys lyrical waxing on finer nuances of the handling of the Honda driving around beautiful roads in perfect conditions. But most of us live in the real world. Some people watch these reviews and fall in love with what they say.

    • @geronimooo260
      @geronimooo260 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Thank you.The type R is great on a dry track, but that’s it

    • @BigBear--
      @BigBear-- ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Were you dropped on your head son? FWD cars have no problrm handling snow, rain, or anything else. Just throw a proper set of All-Seasons on there and you're good to go for any UK weather. If anything it'll be even quicker than that Golf R with it's twitchy rear end upsetting the car everytime you plant your foot down in a corner. That's why the Type-R still blows it away on track. As for daily driving, with the auto-rev match system in comfort this thing is extremely easy to drive around town or in traffic...I'm from NYC and it ain't an issue at all.

    • @tyranic1
      @tyranic1 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@BigBear-- Let's be honest how many of us change our tyre's for the winter. Then that comment that Golf R's are twitchy planting power mid corner is laughable, you clearly don't own one. And my final point is when running big power, 4 wheel drive is the better option. Just look at what BMW has done, the rear wheel hero's now make there top M car's 4 wheel drive. Also Mercedes and Audi. Anyone can drive a performance car if they are gentle on the pedal in the winter. And who mentioned anything about track, i'm talking about a daily driven all year round family hatch.

    • @VxO4fame
      @VxO4fame ปีที่แล้ว

      @@BigBear-- okay now i got it. you are the definiton of keyboard warrior. in every single post u made you are fanboying so strong its disgusting.
      I hope u really dont own the car . Any prove do so.

    • @LilMilan420
      @LilMilan420 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@BigBear-- were you dropped on your head as a baby? Is that why you’re so easily upset? Probably just because you’re a Honda fanboy, more sensitive than those of any other brand 🤦🏻‍♂️

  • @InLane
    @InLane ปีที่แล้ว +23

    As an FL5 owner, I completely agree with the assessment in this video. My previous car was a MK7.5 Golf R, as much as I loved it, the Type R is another level. Forget the numbers or how many wheels are driven, it’s the way it feels, the tactility and mechanical precision of everything. You need to drive one to understand. So compared with the price of the Golf, RS3, M Cars, AMGs, Porsches, Teslas etc, the Type R is a bargain.

    • @davothegreat9990
      @davothegreat9990 หลายเดือนก่อน

      How is the type r a bargain when the cars you mentioned are in a league and class above.😂

  • @Lukerated
    @Lukerated ปีที่แล้ว +31

    The Type R is sensational. Would love to have one!

  • @dougmaverick3287
    @dougmaverick3287 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    In Canada we're lucky as we get the manual transmission Golf R.
    I test drove a mark 7.5 DSG and Manuel and there's no comparison, the manual is so much more fun, so much more engaging and involving for the driver.
    I kinda feel bad for the real drivers across the pond.
    The type-r may handle better on dry roads but the Golf R will destroy the Civic type-r on wet roads or snowy roads, gravel... any slippery conditions.
    If I had my choice of any hot hatch out there now it would definitely be the Toyota gr Yaris.
    I currently have deposits down for both Emmanuel Volkswagen Golf R and the new gr Corolla I'll buy whichever one becomes available first.

    • @dougmaverick3287
      @dougmaverick3287 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Gary
      So you're saying that the GR Yaris and the GR Corolla are not hot hatches because they are awd. That's completely false of course they're hot hatches.
      I could give a shit what Chris Harris says.
      Man what have you been smoking lately.
      I would easily take the GR Yaris over the Civic type-r Golf R anything, it's an amazing performance machine.

    • @blueberrycobbler
      @blueberrycobbler 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It’s always about the tires in snow and inclement weather regardless of what car sits on top of them.

  • @Peanutdenver
    @Peanutdenver ปีที่แล้ว +11

    HRC with their success in moto, F1 and MotoGP may understand how to build an engine better than anyone. Wether it be an inline 4, V4 or stacking two extra cylinders on that V for F1 they know what they are doing. Hopefully this makes sense...I'll add I'm an BMW M2C owner and not a Honda fan boy. I just drove the last iteration that my friend owns and was super impressed, can't imagine how much they've improve the latest version.

  • @caffeinefix2751
    @caffeinefix2751 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    super excited for mine! Selling my GR Yaris for one. I sort of miss the crazy edgy styling of the old one, but i think this mature look will grow on me. Both the golf and civic are phenomenal ICE enthusiast cars. What a time to be alive

    • @fn2_gr
      @fn2_gr ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I'm very tempted to do the same... The GR Yaris is a hard act to follow.

    • @povboy009
      @povboy009 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      yaris is a weapon, way better than new gr carolla

    • @jerm_
      @jerm_ ปีที่แล้ว +4

      what i would do for that gr yaris to be sold in US ;(

    • @chenheadsmith5998
      @chenheadsmith5998 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      The gr yaris will hold value over the years. You may regret it.

    • @caffeinefix2751
      @caffeinefix2751 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@chenheadsmith5998 or certainly will.lose value if I daily it or if I pay the 1.5k insurance every year

  • @GSTRification
    @GSTRification ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Reserved and waiting for the type R. No way to test drive one in the States but these videos praising the type R and comparing to the GT3 variant is definitely reassuring. Can’t wait to get delivery to experience one myself. Never owned fwd cars but this is definitely the one to do so

    • @saucey99
      @saucey99 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      where u at i got mine its insane!!!!!! And i also own a 2022 porsche 911 C4s....
      type R thrills are different and honestly more fun at the moment
      even though porsche is porsche the type R
      is mind Blowing!! MUST GET!!!

    • @madmugen888
      @madmugen888 ปีที่แล้ว

      Got your Type R yet?
      What’s the verdict?

    • @madmugen888
      @madmugen888 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@saucey99 you’re one lucky man! Please do a comparison video for us! 😊

  • @themrmarkprior
    @themrmarkprior ปีที่แล้ว +20

    The Type R is not going to depreciate anytime soon. Being rare, expensive, and the last of its breed. I can imagine after a few years ownership, a minimum financial loss.

    • @caffeinefix2751
      @caffeinefix2751 ปีที่แล้ว

      absolute stonks. Some are selling it used marked up too

    • @quicktoreason2722
      @quicktoreason2722 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Same for the mk8r. Even the 7r is selling for more.

    • @specialkgunit
      @specialkgunit 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      2025/26 Golf R & relatives will likely be the last petrol Golf generation

  • @TheTerrier
    @TheTerrier ปีที่แล้ว +67

    That Halfords strip light across the front of the golf is unforgivable

    • @dehv
      @dehv ปีที่แล้ว

      🤣

    • @becheriksen
      @becheriksen ปีที่แล้ว

      It looks stupid

    • @DabDabGoose
      @DabDabGoose ปีที่แล้ว

      it looks soo bad at night.

    • @mudskipper0075
      @mudskipper0075 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It’s tacky AF…😂😂😂

  • @hakankursunmusic
    @hakankursunmusic 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Thank you ! Great test. Unfortunately both cars are costing here ( Turkey ) around 100k ( really) Pounds because of special luxury taxes. So its nice to watch. If here the Type R would cost 50k pounds you could sell a lot of them.

  • @julianpmg
    @julianpmg ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Have a Type R, in red, due in a few weeks……and I CANNOT WAIT 😊

  • @JBOsurf
    @JBOsurf ปีที่แล้ว +10

    I have a long wait to December for my Type R....

    • @shane6115
      @shane6115 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Poor you. I’ve to wait 10 years before I can afford one 😢

  • @Loopsrainforest
    @Loopsrainforest ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I'm absolutely shocked that you don't get a manual Golf r in the UK. I assumed with so many slobbish truck & suv drivers in North America we would be the last market to get the manual.

  • @loulerg
    @loulerg ปีที่แล้ว +2

    What an amazing review! Just bought that same exact FL5 this week and I must say the review is on point, the car is truly special.

  • @MichaelMichael-q8y
    @MichaelMichael-q8y 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Finding Sarah Marshall was awesome man. Nice you're into cars.

  • @mitchellkirkpatrick5714
    @mitchellkirkpatrick5714 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Car prices are officially out of hand. Love both of these cars tho.

  • @madmugen888
    @madmugen888 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Awesome in-depth entertaining yet insightful review.

  • @becheriksen
    @becheriksen ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Honda is just on another level

    • @krane15
      @krane15 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      No its not. Each has advantages and disadvantages. For example, the Golf R from a stop or in wet weather.

  • @soldieroftafari
    @soldieroftafari ปีที่แล้ว +14

    God that COLOR on the type R. My dream car, I am a modest man.

    • @Bmontepeque11
      @Bmontepeque11 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I don't know the name in other countries but in America that is called "Boost Blue Pearl" :) (And I love it as well!)

  • @CypressRacing
    @CypressRacing ปีที่แล้ว +33

    Spot on! Type R is epic

    • @recursion.
      @recursion. ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Price aint it though

  • @ianguest7341
    @ianguest7341 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    New type R is just one of the best alrounders end of.

  • @Bmontepeque11
    @Bmontepeque11 ปีที่แล้ว +39

    I know the Type R is very expensive, but I feel that it is such a complete package, amazing driving dynamics, great practicality, you can even use comfort mode if you want! I love the fact we now have a new M3 Touring, but I would take this Type R over that M3 Touring and use the change for something else 🌚❤️

    • @astradala1845
      @astradala1845 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      47k for a FWD car though..

    • @Bmontepeque11
      @Bmontepeque11 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@astradala1845 Well, yes but believe you me, a Honda are masters of FWD, I wouldn't pay £47k for a FWD, but I would for a Honda with FWD 😂 I have seen some people drifting the Type R :o (Obviously not big sustained drifts like on an M3 right 😂 but this is the only FWD car I have seen drifting :o)

    • @seansimmons5071
      @seansimmons5071 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Problem is with the extra pack its more 52k and great as it is and probably best in class as the fk8 was, you can get a 1 year old M4 comp for 56k and that is a completely different level of car imo.

    • @astradala1845
      @astradala1845 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Bmontepeque11 Very true to be fair. Tyre R even the FK8 are monsters both on and off the track definitely the meanest FWD car you can buy

    • @davemorris6747
      @davemorris6747 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Made from unobtainium unfortunately.

  • @jamsxr
    @jamsxr ปีที่แล้ว +15

    My Type R arrives in March, can’t wait.

    • @HouseOfPetrol
      @HouseOfPetrol ปีที่แล้ว

      Mine in 2nd half of april , can't wait either 😅 where are you from?

    • @jamsxr
      @jamsxr ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@HouseOfPetrol based in the U.K. what about you?

    • @HouseOfPetrol
      @HouseOfPetrol ปีที่แล้ว

      @@jamsxr belgium..
      What are they listing for in the UK?

    • @jamsxr
      @jamsxr ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@HouseOfPetrol £47k, although from April they’re going up to £49k.

    • @HouseOfPetrol
      @HouseOfPetrol ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@jamsxr so about the same as here , i paid 54.750€
      Enjoy your's mate!

  • @washout04
    @washout04 ปีที่แล้ว +27

    Amazing review. I think the mark of how well made this video is, is that you can feel the joy. The only thing he didn’t mention is that in ten years the Honda will be purring like new and the Golf will be at the wreckers.

    • @redline589
      @redline589 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      I like the Honda as well, but we both know the Golfs pretty reliable it's the same engine as the mk7, and they are good for at least 150k miles.

    • @AtlasCroc
      @AtlasCroc ปีที่แล้ว +3

      BS - have owned both Hondas and VWs in the past - both last just fine with good maintenance. I'll happily take the Golf R over any Honda.

    • @caffeinefix2751
      @caffeinefix2751 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@smcgmail8238 replying to washout or redline?

    • @AM-wt8qi
      @AM-wt8qi ปีที่แล้ว

      Maybe but with a rotten chassis that doesn’t matter

    • @ROVA00
      @ROVA00 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@redline589 I’ve never heard of anyone calling vw “reliable” except people that either just recently got one and wants to feel good about owning it, or they’ve never owned one. Everyone I’ve met with a golf says they’re a pain in the ass once the warranty expires.

  • @DreamWorkDrive
    @DreamWorkDrive ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Don't know why manual is not offered in Europe, but it is available in the US. Worth mentioning, because the way he mentioned I thought it was DSG only globally...

  • @Kennie959
    @Kennie959 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Great spot on review, need to see more from this guy

  • @adim00lah
    @adim00lah ปีที่แล้ว +3

    The type r is a poor man's gt3 essentially. Got the deposit on a sonic grey one, can't wait to pick it up soon!

  • @Monster-Abee
    @Monster-Abee ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I don't like water pump issues. Both my cousins Golfs have had them fail.

  • @ollielloyd84
    @ollielloyd84 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    On a track it might be brilliant but in real life conditions and roads it’s Golf R you want all day!

    • @Tigerex966
      @Tigerex966 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Maintenance reliability and service cost to keep it in the road.

    • @lilmoesieable
      @lilmoesieable ปีที่แล้ว +2

      just take the clubsport for the track no need for an honda lol

    • @Tigerex966
      @Tigerex966 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@lilmoesieable and vice versa.

  • @arifazar786
    @arifazar786 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    The Type R is just absolutely perfect.. clever Honda engineers have turned what was the FK8 which was a well machined car in every way as in mechanically perfect to mechanically perfect but a bit more on edge.. those chaps and ladies are very clever.. who wants an E SUV.. no thanks.. the dual axis front diff is such phenomenal..

  • @kasinathar1874
    @kasinathar1874 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Important point is after 5 years no oil leaks,rattles,thing’s coming off,transmission gone, spending 💰💰💰on the type R.😂😂😂👍🏽

  • @CrimpKeeper
    @CrimpKeeper หลายเดือนก่อน

    Test drove a 2024 DSG Golf R on Monday. Absolutely loved it. As a manual car guy for 20 years, I found the DSG to be surprisingly enjoyable. I don't think I'll miss the manual in this vehicle.

  • @hockeymann88
    @hockeymann88 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Great presenter. I love that both of these cars exist.

  • @khuzram
    @khuzram ปีที่แล้ว +12

    They should put the rs3 2.5 engine in the golf r and call it R+ with 420bhp would be the ultimate hatchback

    • @LivingLifeSlower
      @LivingLifeSlower ปีที่แล้ว

      And still shite.

    • @beecee6850
      @beecee6850 ปีที่แล้ว

      You buerk

    • @Chris-cv6wy
      @Chris-cv6wy ปีที่แล้ว +2

      With a manual gearbox. Dreamy

    • @danielainger
      @danielainger ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Wasn’t that what they wanted too do with the MK8 but Audi said no.

    • @marccyberwiz
      @marccyberwiz ปีที่แล้ว

      @@danielainger So Audi can borrow VW engine but won't let it go other way 🤣

  • @volkswizard
    @volkswizard ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video BUT DCC ADAPTIVE DAMPERS IS NOT STANDARD ON R 20 YEARS. Ease to assume it would be as it's essential for 'ring mode to work on the 'ring. But it's not.

  • @calibreman
    @calibreman ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you for an excellent video, where was it filmed?
    Geoff.

  • @danielgladston1785
    @danielgladston1785 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    This was a phenomenal review. Very well done. Only confirmed what I already suspected but this new Type R is incredible. Was between a few other cars but this thing is truly special and addresses all the issues I had with the FK8. Looking forward to getting one but right now there are so few in the states so prices are predictably ludicrous.

  • @martinscholtz6082
    @martinscholtz6082 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Stunningly reported. That Honda is a work of art.

  • @ridzuanali1919
    @ridzuanali1919 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    A great review! Super nice narration. Kudos to the presenter. Subscribed!

  • @markrhoden68
    @markrhoden68 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    My personal problem and I'm not entirely sure why this is but the idea of spending almost 50k on a Honda Civic just escapes me.
    Is it my age, the image of the type r brand, I just can't imagine thinking 'right I have a budget of around 50k I'll go take a look at the Civic type r' I just can't see it ever happening and I know people say their great cars

    • @BigBear--
      @BigBear-- ปีที่แล้ว +3

      That would change if you ever got a chance to drive the FL5.

    • @harryhole9mm
      @harryhole9mm ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Or actually look at one and see how the golf R (or anything else)looks very very dull. I have a championship white fl5 and it’s beautiful.

    • @justwingingit1
      @justwingingit1 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Pay now or pay later at the shop. I own several Hondas…some nearly 20 years old…still not a drop of oil underneath them in the garage. This is why as fast as the Golf R or the RS3 are I still don’t trust their long term reliability. I would drive any of my high mileage(200-over 300k) Hondas across the country with zero worries. Volkswagen/Audi with the same mileage…not so much.

    • @Highlander1518
      @Highlander1518 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@BigBear--Agreed. It’s a shame some people can’t get over the whole ‘it’s a Civic’ mentality. I just don’t get it. Wonderful machines. Owned an FN2 and now an FK8 and I can’t fault either.

    • @BigBear--
      @BigBear-- 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@Highlander1518Yep. Same, previous cars were a '98 Nissan Maxima, which was awesome (especially as a first car). I would probably still be driving it if it didn't get totalled after some moron blew his light and I t-boned him. Then a 2003 Acura CL Type-S, that I owned for 14 years with no real issues at over 270K+ miles, other than maintenance (only got rid of it cause I wanted something new, it was still running perfectly). Then a 2020 Civic Si Coupe...that I was planning on keeping, unfortunately some moron decided to plow into me from an oncoming lane and totalled it (also forcing me to loose partial hearing in my left ear, and damaging one of my shoulders). Which is when I got the '23 Type-R. I pray to god nothing happens to this one...though it was already kinda hit in the rear bumper while it was parked on the street in BKNY, now there's a minor clearcoat chip and a tiny dent in the rear bumper. Someone also hit the side of my front passenger side fender with their door in a parking lot, leaving a tiny dent. I would've murdered them if I saw it, or could find them.
      Anyway, for personal, family, or friends I would probably never get anything other than something from Honda (Acura), Toyota (Lexus), Mazda, and maybe Subaru. I might consider something from Hyundai, or Genesis...though there would have to be some very compelling reason, along with a compelling reason not to get something instead from the previously mentioned manufacturers. Also Nissan...but mainly either the Z or the GT-R...and Infiniti (though not sure what the hell they're doing these days).

  • @markomarin3414
    @markomarin3414 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    The FL5 Type R hands down the best TypeR

  • @mazdarene
    @mazdarene ปีที่แล้ว

    Excellent review my friend.
    One question for you if’s posible.
    If you need to consider buy one of this car a new type R or golf R mk7.5-8 ? What is best long term car? Consider carbon accumulation, electrical issues, quality materials.
    Thanks in advance

  • @gabangadgetmy
    @gabangadgetmy หลายเดือนก่อน

    This guy really a good auto presenter. Cant help myself from pressing the subs button

  • @holidaeyy674
    @holidaeyy674 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    This is why Chris Harris name the fl5 car of the year2022. The Power of dream honda💪

  • @Octocoupler
    @Octocoupler ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Love the colour of the Honda.

  • @asdpoi121
    @asdpoi121 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Objective, neutral, suave, and excellently informative.

  • @sdelorey19
    @sdelorey19 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Just out of curiosity, which one is quicker around a track? Not like I’m racing either one, but would be curious to know which car runs a track quicker.

    • @celliott16
      @celliott16 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Type r is a fair bit faster than the standard golf r on the track tests I've seen.

  • @dimitriborcak6698
    @dimitriborcak6698 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    I suppose driving them around Wales just for fun when it's dry, yes, the Honda still has it. But every day driving is not just about bearable suspension or an infotainment system a motoring journalist can get used to in half a day but things like having an automatic gearbox for the other 90% of driving (throw in more useable driver assistant features and cooled seats and a sunroof and a heated steering wheel and a bunch of other things the Type R doesn't have). Couple that with the huge performance advantage the Golf has on anything other than dry, grippy tarmac and I'd still pick the VW if it was my money. With the current crop, that gap has widened for me, not closed.

    • @shane6115
      @shane6115 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I’m a Honda fanboy, but I agree with you 100%, like how often are we on these type of roads rallying our car.

    • @alsayedfakhri4597
      @alsayedfakhri4597 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That's not what the Type R (or a hothatch) is for though. The Type Rs have excelled in driving dynamics and passable interiors (although this one is better than the golf in that regard too).
      The Golf is just another German boat, of which there are many to choose from, as it has no distinct identity.
      The only gap is in 0-60 times, which is for children at this point. Pinning an accelerator pedal means very little.

    • @loxlover1714
      @loxlover1714 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That's not what a hatchback is for? What the hell is it for then? Journalist reviews or occasional track session? What world do you live in where one can drop $45,000 on such a vehicle? The rest of us have to save up our pennies to have a privilege to even afford a vehicle of this caliber. The GolfR is far an away a better daily driver and it's not even close. For most of us superior 99% of the time usability is far more important than the little bit of extra added performance/fun for that 1% of occasions.
      German boats with no distinct identity? I'll take my BMW/VAG/MERC any day of the week, as so would most sane people.

    • @alsayedfakhri4597
      @alsayedfakhri4597 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@loxlover1714 I said 'hothatch', perhaps you misconstrued on purpose, or do you have no comprehension skills?
      This car's focus isn't comfort, practicality and luxury (which it does better than the Golf R anyway). It's an enthusiast car with a focus on driving pleasure unlike the German rivals.

    • @loxlover1714
      @loxlover1714 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@alsayedfakhri4597 I didn't misconstrue anything on purpose. My comprehension skills are on par with a college educated person. Never claimed to be the smartest person in the room.
      Your argument is misguided. There is no definition of a hothatch that states that the only purpose of a hothatch is to go as fast as possible around a circuit, or be the most engaging, especially in sacrifice of every other aspects of what makes hatchbacks great. You're literally making this up. You can easily be the second/third/fourth most performant/engaging and STILL be an excellent hothatch. The idiocy of your statement is further exemplified by implying that German rivals elicit no driving pleasure. That's objectively false, you can look at the sales numbers to prove that. It might not be fun to YOU. You might be one of those Ricky Bobby people that lives by "if you ain't first, you're last". Which is fine. That's why we have choices. The world many of us live in you absolutely CAN demand all of practicality, comfort, luxury, and performance from ANY vehicle. I've own everything from modified Integras to modified M3s throughout my 25 years of driving. And I'm a huge fan of the Golf R in my 40s because it strikes such a wonderful balance of what I want to live with at this point in my life. My answer would have certainly been different 20 years ago.

  • @swanofavon123
    @swanofavon123 ปีที่แล้ว

    The red seatbelt on type r beats vw by itself not to mention that lovley rear wing , manual gearbox is so cool, and that clasic bashboard...

  • @6th.replicant577
    @6th.replicant577 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    How is the Type R an ‘everyday’ car if it only has 2 back seats compared to the VW’s 3-seat bench?
    And the Type R’s UK price is a rip off compared to Japan’s - and the UK cost of the FK8.

    • @BigBear--
      @BigBear-- ปีที่แล้ว

      Well in Japan...the car is made in Japan. In UK the car is made in Japan.
      Does that start to connect the dots on why it's more money in UK?

    • @BigBear--
      @BigBear-- ปีที่แล้ว

      Forgot to add that the previous FK8 was made in UK.

  • @drzoidbergmd3200
    @drzoidbergmd3200 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Great video.

  • @zangmot398
    @zangmot398 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Does anybody know the roads in this ?

  • @burnsyblues
    @burnsyblues ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Love the Type R! Exactly what a modern hot hatch should be. The Golf R just looks dull, bit of a sleeper i suppose 🤷‍♂️ take type R any day over golfR. I have a civic 1.5 turbo, and hell even thats a fun responsive drive that makes you smile, i cant imagine how the type R must feel

    • @lukefawbert3808
      @lukefawbert3808 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I agree the German cars are so boring. Apart from been really fast in a straight line, there's literally no character to them.

    • @VxO4fame
      @VxO4fame ปีที่แล้ว

      @@lukefawbert3808 I am german and i fully agree with you.

  • @carlwinslow4175
    @carlwinslow4175 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I,m wondering if I could daily the Type R ? I drive a lot the DSG in the Golf would be the logical choice but damm the Honda ticks all the boxes

    • @caffeinefix2751
      @caffeinefix2751 ปีที่แล้ว

      I dailyd the fk8. FL5 more daily-able.

    • @geronimooo260
      @geronimooo260 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Golf is better as a daily because it’s less tacky

    • @caffeinefix2751
      @caffeinefix2751 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@geronimooo260 and I'm sure a touch less fun

    • @carlwinslow4175
      @carlwinslow4175 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Take the wing off the Civic you would be stealthy@@geronimooo260

  • @paulstabin6233
    @paulstabin6233 ปีที่แล้ว

    Excellent review.
    As an FK8 owner I can vouch for the ability of the Type R to both thrill, chill and fulfill- but never bore.
    No manual would be a deal breaker for me on the Golf R, no matter how good or fast the DSG is. An electric shaver where the shifter should be? Really?
    Yes, the FL5 improves on the FK8 in several areas. But I am already driving my dream car. And it looks the part.
    Always had a soft spot for a VW hatch- my folks had the original Rabbit in the mid '70's, and I also test drove the R32 when it came out. But the Honda just feels lighter on its feet.

  • @DrBobtheblob
    @DrBobtheblob ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Love this TypeR but got to ask who is it now aimed at? Hot hatches are by definition affordable cars (£47k is way outside affordable to most people), hyper hatches are by definition posh (think AMG, Audi RS etc), so is it trackday drivers? If so wouldn't a modded Clio RS or an M2 or a GR Yaris be a better trackday car? Or is it the well healed Honda fan who grew up with an EP3? Can see why they are saying limited numbers.

    • @arjenmuller3989
      @arjenmuller3989 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Well, I can only talk for myself but of course it’s aimed at real Honda fans. Drove nothing but Honda’s since I obtained my drivers license. As my income grew they got more expensive. Last 2 cars were S2000 and a FK-8. And Wednesday I’m picking up my new FL-5 🎉

    • @BigBear--
      @BigBear-- ปีที่แล้ว +1

      They're aimed at anyone with a passion for driving dynamics and good reliable engineering.

  • @rob20452
    @rob20452 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Can't see why hazard lights flash when breaking a little hard,.

  • @juanfernandez8987
    @juanfernandez8987 ปีที่แล้ว

    Well narrated review. As a proud owner of a GR Corolla and an FL5 Type R, I can honestly say the Type R is on another level of quality, craftsmanship, and overall excellence. The car is an amazing machine, and I would NOT feel out of place driving in a Supercar group ride. And for sure I would not be left behind.

    • @dennyh66
      @dennyh66 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Emm.. I don’t think that’s how it works man

  • @BronchoGillespie
    @BronchoGillespie 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Tony from Hollyoaks doing a good job reviewing cars.

  • @charlesstewardson8546
    @charlesstewardson8546 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Absolutely bang on with this review. Sums it up perfectly.
    The new type R is a phenomenal all rounder. Might not be the quickest on damp bumpy twisty bits (that’ll be the GR Yaris) but everywhere else it reigns supreme.

    • @astradala1845
      @astradala1845 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Both these cars would gap the GR bro

    • @charlesstewardson8546
      @charlesstewardson8546 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@astradala1845 only on smooth dry roads… but the type R is more enjoyable to drive.

  • @tedjones403
    @tedjones403 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Excellent review - by the way, the hot hatch in its original form is dead... these are both two high performance cars that move and live in a another plane of the auto-universe. I own a manual Golf R Mk 8 (Welsh but live in Virginia), I have owned it for a year with zero issues and miles and miles of smiles. I think the Honda Type-R is also a superb car, I just prefer mine.

    • @fredbrackely
      @fredbrackely ปีที่แล้ว +1

      4WD is the way to go with US Winters.

    • @hpman911
      @hpman911 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@fredbrackelysurely only in a limited number of states??

  • @zone47
    @zone47 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I think the manual is back for 2024? or at least for the US market. I do like the Golf R probably the best for the money but not sure it will be as reliable as the Honda over the long term.

  • @batmikipig
    @batmikipig ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I really hope to try a type R one day to see how enjoyable is. The other hot hatches l've tried are comfortable and quick in the 0-100... definitely not much enjoyable to drive

  • @suzuka1307r
    @suzuka1307r ปีที่แล้ว

    what happened to the tall sinewy guy who used to present back in the day?

  • @AL-kc4kg
    @AL-kc4kg ปีที่แล้ว

    Awesome presentation, subscribed!

  • @CU08
    @CU08 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I know Honda is very spiteful with their negative reviews, but come on. I love both cars, but he's visibly getting jostled around FAR more in the CTR than the Golf R. I've heard nothing but negative things about the road noise isolation in the new Civic/Integra. I can only imagine the CTR with its more aggressive and stickier compound are worse in this area as well.
    Golf R is better for driving around normally on a day to day. CTR is the one you want on a weekend or track day.

  • @ginobona7380
    @ginobona7380 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The Type R is overall more immersive and exciting. It's bigger and more special!

    • @supermanlegend7
      @supermanlegend7 ปีที่แล้ว

      Becouse is manual and is amazing !

  • @richiedudding7671
    @richiedudding7671 ปีที่แล้ว

    Just purchased one. Thanks team👍🏻

  • @ZeeBri
    @ZeeBri ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Price is still insane. More than a years wages? The Clio 182 was £14,700 new

    • @trustalign
      @trustalign ปีที่แล้ว

      The clio 182 was released in 1998.. that's over 25 years ago mate.. get with the times...

    • @ZeeBri
      @ZeeBri ปีที่แล้ว +1

      2004!

    • @trustalign
      @trustalign ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ZeeBri still a long time ago. Wars, pandemics, multiple changes in governments have happened since then... Also cars during the noughties were too cheap, while everything else inflated even a McDonald's happy meal had doubled in price, cars remained the same even cheaper throughout the years.. in 1992 my family bought an EG civic GL (base model) sedan for $27k (Australia), in 2015 you could get a base model civic for $24k which makes no sense when the 2015 model had way more technology and was far safer of a vehicle.. now they're getting a much needed market correction to how much they're actually worth.

    • @BigBear--
      @BigBear-- ปีที่แล้ว

      Sure...and burgers were 0.25 cents, blah, blah, blah...

  • @kramnam4716
    @kramnam4716 ปีที่แล้ว

    Fab reporting. Knowledgable and well explained what they truly feel like. This fella knows how to drive 👏👌💚

  • @frumpd63
    @frumpd63 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Lost me when you claimed the CTR has a better ride and more steering feel than the Golf. Neither vehicle has much in the way of feel and the Golf is VASTLY more compliant on actual broken pavement. It's also WAY louder on the highway than the Golf and the forums are full of owners chasing rattles everywhere. So tired of all the reviewer hyperbole on the Civic.

    • @jaxxone4907
      @jaxxone4907 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thas were I stop watching too. Like wtf is with these people. We all know ctr is a track inspired car, dont lie to us😅

  • @preludeh22a57
    @preludeh22a57 ปีที่แล้ว

    New Type-R GT back in 2021 cost 37'500 euros. Today I bought 2021 with 20K km on odometer for 42'500 with a set of spare ''18 wheels and it's great deal! I've seen Type-Rs gone for ever 50K with much higher mileage

  • @t-macadventures8255
    @t-macadventures8255 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great video, but how did we ever get a place where the blue collar worker fast car costs £47k. The price of these cars is Bonkers.

  • @codychallenger0666
    @codychallenger0666 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Love my 21 fk8 type r

  • @shane6115
    @shane6115 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I’m a Honda guy, but the thing is any idiot can drive a golf R fast and safely, so in my book that is clever that is evolution of car.

  • @matthewblome6547
    @matthewblome6547 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great presenter, of a great car! Thoroughly enjoyed

  • @AntFragale
    @AntFragale ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I love the CTR but I’m gonna call this out, he doesn’t seem to agree with.. I’ll say the entire internet on some things.
    The Golf R’s interior is definitely nicer. Now if you don’t like haptic or touch buttons, that’s one thing. Totally subjective and it’s okay to have an opinion. But as far as interior materials, quality fit/finish, and most importantly features, the golf dominates the CTR. We’re talking not only heated wheel and front seats, but rear seats too. Ventilated seats. 3 zone climate. Outstanding ambient lighting. HUD. 15 dampen settings. The best steering wheel shape on the market. Every travel assist feature you can think of. DCC. Very accurate sound system. Wireless charging and wireless carplay, etc. It gets better gas mileage, it’s quicker in the straights and close everywhere else, it’s more comfortable, it can be driven confidently in all weather, and is unanimously considered the best daily driver hot hatch by a large margin.
    It does lose in dynamics. The CTR will be more fun for those looking for it. It’s more playful, it’s more analog and gives that track focused feel. It’s really good at doing that. It’s a great car no doubt. Not that the golf isn’t capable, it is. It just doesn’t feel like it’s ever trying. It’s very efficient.
    Either way both cars are great. My buddy has a CTR and I have a Mk8R and he wouldn’t disagree with anything. Different cars for different folks.

    • @alsayedfakhri4597
      @alsayedfakhri4597 ปีที่แล้ว

      Whilst the car has more features, this review states the Civic has a better ride and better fit and finish interior. The infotainment is embarrassingly poor on the mk8 too.
      Electronic dampers are an option on the Golf also which is criminal.
      It's not the best daily, because the only real difference is 4wd which in the UK isn't the be all and end all.

    • @AntFragale
      @AntFragale ปีที่แล้ว

      @@alsayedfakhri4597 I understand that but as I already said and what I’ll reiterate is that it absolutely does not have a better ride. I’d say this is objectively true. You can make the golf MUCH more compliant than the CTR can be. I know what he said but like… literally everyone else disagrees.
      Why is DCC option criminal? In the US they all come fully loaded.
      The infotainment isn’t embarrassingly poor lol. Have you actually used one? Give an example of why you think it’s bad.
      And 4wd isn’t the only different. Again, it has way more comfort features inside as well.

    • @alsayedfakhri4597
      @alsayedfakhri4597 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@AntFragale I agree with this video, as someone who has driven both. The ride quality in comfort is brilliant, the range of damping is much greater than the golf.
      It's criminal because to get adaptive dampers on the golf, it has to be specced. Arguably the most important part of the driving experience is an option, showing you much VW care.
      It's poor because it's difficult to use and realised heavily on the touch screen. It's difficult to use whilst driving without physical controls.

    • @AntFragale
      @AntFragale ปีที่แล้ว

      @@alsayedfakhri4597 I’m doubting you’ve driven them both if you think the farthest comfort setting on the golf has less range of motion. You’re cooked man lol.
      And how is the infotainment hard? Like specifically, what is difficult? I use it effortlessly. In fact, setting everything to auto is cake.

    • @shaglioni
      @shaglioni ปีที่แล้ว

      Man, I think your thoughts and comparisons between the two is outstanding and I've watched dozens of MK8R videos with some CTR and GR Corolla vids sprinkled in. I'm currently on a waitlist for an MK8R, and my opportunity probably won't present itself until 2024 most likely with how the supply of them is scarce.

  • @JureOdv
    @JureOdv ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Didn't know Jason Segel does car reviews!

  • @teea3085
    @teea3085 ปีที่แล้ว

    what road is that?

  • @johnnypsepulveda
    @johnnypsepulveda ปีที่แล้ว

    Excellent video. Subscribed.

  • @landofsyn2980
    @landofsyn2980 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Golf R DSG can easily get under 4sec 0-60- I clocked mine at 3.8 - deff depends on road - tire temp- but with that AWD ? shit grips instantly compared to the Type R.... But the Type R has a really sexy manual- so just depends what ya want. Faster? go Golf R- slower but fun? go Type R.

  • @kaisvlog7208
    @kaisvlog7208 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Very good reviewer presenter John Howell

  • @jtthebrick3
    @jtthebrick3 ปีที่แล้ว

    This guy reminds me of a cross between a British Owen Wilson and Chris Harris. Bravo!

  • @ibbo8740
    @ibbo8740 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Golf R new name should be Gold-A, who want's an "auto" hot hatch, certainly not me. I want to drive the car myself, such a shame VW went this way. Great review of both cars and awesome detail :)

    • @krane15
      @krane15 ปีที่แล้ว

      Get used to it. Manuals are dead.

    • @ibbo8740
      @ibbo8740 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@krane15 lmfao, Manuals are dead, Even Porsche still make Manual cars. Get back in your hair dressers car you big fairy.

  • @IdaiMakayaPublications
    @IdaiMakayaPublications ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Let's be honest. Type R is a good car, but it's only mildly cosmetically different from the previous one. Engineering is almost unchanged. So the step up in price isn't really justified, apart from saying "it's as good as the golf, so we're now charging the same money."

    • @sugarrfree
      @sugarrfree ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Almost unchanged 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

    • @BigBear--
      @BigBear-- ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The engineering and aerodynamics are the main chamges they made to the FL5 vs the FK8. WTF are you talking about? Go watch Savagegeese's video on the new Type-R for the basic engineering breakdown.

    • @biseruk
      @biseruk ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It's made in Japan (every single point it's improved) it's best ever type R is worth every penny

    • @m0rrisseyyy
      @m0rrisseyyy ปีที่แล้ว

      You know nothing mate

    • @BigBear--
      @BigBear-- ปีที่แล้ว

      @@m0rrisseyyy who is that reply to?

  • @matthewyersel3347
    @matthewyersel3347 ปีที่แล้ว

    You could get the golf r in 6 speed. Right?

    • @alsayedfakhri4597
      @alsayedfakhri4597 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Think only in America. In the UK at least, the mk8 r is auto only.

  • @harryhole9mm
    @harryhole9mm ปีที่แล้ว

    For anyone watching this comparison, just go and actually physically look at the FL5 in comparison to the golf R- one looks stunning with bulging arches whilst the other is just a golf with quad pipes.
    I have one in championship
    white and it’s beautiful!
    I’ve had an 8v RS3 and this car is so much nicer despite the lack of a 2.5 5 cyl motor.

  • @coldvaper
    @coldvaper ปีที่แล้ว

    Thought this was Chris Harris at first and thats a good thing, I just subed

  • @gersit
    @gersit ปีที่แล้ว

    Is a sinn to compare the Japanese King with Germanys oil burners...

  • @Monster-Abee
    @Monster-Abee ปีที่แล้ว

    The Golf has become fun. The Type R was always fun!

  • @fn2_gr
    @fn2_gr ปีที่แล้ว

    This guy's style and delivery reminds me of Vicki Butler-Henderson from Fifth Gear... 👌🏻

  • @roypeterka
    @roypeterka ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Interesting and fun review. Not sure about the comparison from Honda to Porsche. The GT3 manual gearbox is much better. You never get any gear grinds or lockouts like you do with the Honda. Handling is another iffy comparison. The Honda is great on the road, but it feels nothing like the GT3. GT3 feels really light in the front end, and the Honda is opposite. I know the weight distributions are mirror images of each other which explains some of it. Regardless, the CTR is a ton of fun because of its own unique driving characteristics.

    • @jamesmedina2062
      @jamesmedina2062 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      insightful review of this review!

    • @BigBear--
      @BigBear-- ปีที่แล้ว

      The gearbox issues of the FK8 have been worked out in the FL5. No more 2nd gear grinds, or 4th gear WOT lockouts.

    • @roypeterka
      @roypeterka ปีที่แล้ว

      @@BigBear-- That’s not true. I have experienced 2nd gear grind (not lockout). It’s not surprising given they didn’t make any real changes.

    • @BigBear--
      @BigBear-- ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@roypeterka Maybe you jusy suck at shifting? I didn't say you "can't" make it grind. Just that the common crunchy/grindy 2nd gear issue is gone. It's still a manual...with manual gears.

    • @roypeterka
      @roypeterka ปีที่แล้ว

      @@BigBear-- Possibly. Or it could be that the problem exists. For me it hasn’t been a common problem on either car but happens. And BTW, there are other reviewers that have also experienced it. It also never happens in the GT3. Do you have an FL5 CTR and how many miles have you put on it? Or are you a keyboard warrior who is just guessing?

  • @hdavey72
    @hdavey72 ปีที่แล้ว

    That's a very strong statement about the gear box.

  • @lronSausage
    @lronSausage ปีที่แล้ว +3

    One day the british will learn the diff between awd and 4wd.

  • @supermanlegend7
    @supermanlegend7 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    When you wont a racer car always is Manual ❤
    Love for Honda !🔥