The Perks of Mormon Leadership
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- The Senior Leaders of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints are well compensated and well looked after. The former is a numerical value that we know is at least $120,000. The latter is a lot harder to quantify, but that won't stop me trying.
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Hold on!! 120K stipend, plus reimbursements for just about any conceivable expense?! They can literally just pocket 120K a year because it all gets reimbursed. The fact that they're still requiring people who live in extreme poverty to pay them 10 percent of their income, when they can afford to live a luxurious lifestyle on those same impoverished people's dime is despicable
And wow oh wow tunnels underground in SLC??? It’s beyond wild!
People need to keep in mind that the 120K figure is just based on information that was leaked many years ago. It's most likely double that now...at least. The Church is still not transparent about the compensation package the GAs receive. I've heard several times over the years that new "apostles" also receive a lump sum in the 7 figures when they become apostles. It may just be a rumor. But I wouldn't be surprised. There's a reason why the Church provides no transparency...and it's not because the compensation is "modest".
@@TEAM__POSEID0NBut it's ridiculous this fixation with the high stipend of general authorities when most of them (including Russell Nelson) earned much more than that with their job.
I was told I had to pay tithing even tho I was raising 3 children on disability income by myself. That meant going without basic needs to give the church $100/month that would've bought gas and food that I regularly did without, and I went without food if we went through a drive thru for a burger. I literally went to bed hungry for this monster evil church.
I asked for help with a $40 gas bill once, and I was told the church requires us to get help from family.
I just didn't pay another bill and went without more basic needs during that time, because I had been GROOMED, INDOCTRINATED to believe in an invisible being that would be mad at me and reject me from my family and heaven if I didn't.
It's so evil, I can't believe we can't sue them, they are FILTHY RICH.
AND I MEAN FILTHY.
Religion should not only be taxed, it should be illegal to teach people that an invisible man in heaven wants you to obey them... Or else. 👀😳⚡🤬
@@giuliom3564not when they continue to claim the LDS church has no paid clergy.
I am so outraged by the shenanigans of these chuckleheads that I almost had to turn off this video part way through in disgust. The joke about the Quinten L Cookbook kept me listening. Thanks for the great reporting and for the laugh. 💜
Same
I used to attend the temple in near Gatwick Airport doing baptism for the dead. I thought it crazy then and even more crazy now. I am no longer an active Mormon. Excellent video Nemo
Satanic practice. Calling on the dead is occultic Spirtualism
Put your money where your mouth is. Get your name removed. Anyone who still belongs is complicit with the craziness and lies they whine about.
Bravo Nemo! As always, I love your clips/music!!! I truly hope that somehow this episode will be heard by the masses.
I hope so too!
"The Church is not wealthy"
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Yeah, my ass!
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You don’t think the church is not rich? Do some fact checking and you will learn something! Multi billion dollar corporation, land ownership, business ownership by the church and mor. The church is building a $600,000,000 hotel and office building in downtown Salt Lake City
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Nobody who is wealthy ever thinks they are wealthy, there is always more to be had. I guess that extends to institutions too. I always say look in the opposite direction and you will realise how wealthy you are.
Wow...Mission President's reimbursed for pretty much everything. Me as a lowly missionary...I pay for everything!
@angelaricaurte6926 - When the Mission Presidents were lowly missionaries they had to pay for themselves too. When they are done serving in the presidency in 3 or 5 years they will be unemployed just as you were when you returned from your mission.
@@micheleh3851a lot of mission presidents are retired anyways. Some have agreements with previous employers to assure a position for them when they come back. They're at a phase in life where their careers are already established.
Yes, mission presidents also had to pay for their mission. You are 100% right. Honestly, it would not upset me so much if the church also paid for the missionaries living expenses. No housekeeping or gift budgets. Just basic living: housing, food, utilities, etc.
Also as a side note. Most (not all) mission presidents are financially set when they serve. Retired or wealthy on thier own. Both of the presidents I served with were well-off businessmen. They did not start at zero when they went home.
@@micheleh3851 Except that most are retired anyway. And those who aren't are mostly financially independent. I have several Mormon millionaire friends who were mission presidents, including my daughter's.
It starts to look like a pyramid scheme to me. Only higher levels that vanishingly few can access (percentage of all active membership globally compared to mission presidents, first quorum 70, and above) paid for by the many underlings, who get none of those benefits. Only the promise of one day ascending to those same levels
I realize that all of these men earned well over $120k/year in the private sector before becoming general authorities. BUT, that income would have stopped upon retirement - somewhere around 65 years old. These men are earning this $120k stipend PLUS any income from pensions, 401k’s, social security, etc., until they die! AND, as has been mentioned - they are reimbursed for just about everything! Not a bad gig if you can get it! To say the church or its leaders are not wealthy, is a big fat lie!
Also, I'm sure the 120K figure is out of date. It's based on information that was leaked MANY years ago (not on anything recently disclosed by the Church). It's probably at least double that now. Also, the wealthiest of them are wealthy due to owning businesses and investments that they don't necessarily stop owning. Several of them are/have been lifelong employees of the Church or church-owned organizations (e.g. Packer, Monson, Hinckley). For them becoming an "apostle" is the peak of their career path. And they appeared to all be quite wealthy.
@@CGL-zb8wz - You are assuming that no one is called to be a General Authority until after age 65 when they are retired from their careers.
Most are called in their 50's, well before retirement age. Thomas Monson was only 36. He, like the others, left his full time career to serve tbe Church full time for the rest of his life. I doubt he had enough saved up or had enough in a retirement fund to support his young family by age 36 and live for the rest of his life into his 90's without some type of stipend. I have heard that Dieter Urchrdorf declined the stipend because he didn't need it. I don't know about the others but I know I would need a stipend to live on for 40 or 50 years if I wasn't earning income from a regular job. The amount of social security and retirement a person gets is based on the years they work and how much they earned while working, so it's not always enough to live on even if you work decades and retire at 65.
@@CGL-zb8wz - My earlier comment was deleted. You are assuming they retire at 65. Most are called in their 50's and have to quit their careers. Thomas Monson, the former prophet was only 36.
@@micheleh3851 Also, while not true for everyone, but in my field (which some of the apostles come from), those who "retire" often just move into consulting so they keep earning >$120K per year after 65, while working fewer hours.
Which brings up a good point. If they made a lot more in the private sector, and are now of retirement age, why should they still need to get paid?
I look at the bishop of my ward. He’s a humble and good man, an electrician probably nearing his 70s and still works. I would take his council long before I would any of q15s.
This is really sick. I had never known about the second anointing, this is not Christ like. I'm glad I left this church
It seems to me the second anointing is something like becoming a 33rd degree free Mason as far as no further culpability. So much "secret" stuff in the church corresponds to Free Masonry. This is what started my questioning. The Big 3 pushing Covid vaccines put me over. By that time there was a lot of info out about jab consequences, and Nelson is a "world-renown" cardiothoracic surgeon!
They also sit on the boards of the church owned for profit business, for and undisclosed income.
Came here to say this. Not only the boards of for-profit businesses but of the church-owned schools too
I sent this to my 5 less active and one active adult children. It satisfied my anger a bit. Misery loves company 😮
I feel the same way as you! ALL members should have this info and decide for themselves whether it has any merit or not. My guess (and hope) is that they will be shocked and want to speak out in numbers!!
You still have your goat.
You must be miserable.
Misery loves company until it realizes the misery wasn’t caused by what it thought it was caused by.
ooohhh Wow... scandal. $120,000 stipend! For full time work with no weekends off. My hell... what do University presidents and mid-level corporate executives make these days. Being a Mormon leader is hardly a recipe for becoming rich.
The more I hear about church leaders, the less I like them. I'm so much happier now that I'm out!!
Me too
@deborahduffy99 quiet. fake post.
@@debrawallace4542 so are we.
Sunlight is the best disinfectant😊
@@debrawallace4542 Ex Mormon here too! 🙏✝️
Oh wow. My famously money grubbing bro-in-law (and my sister) have served THREE times as mission president. They rented out their 6 bedroom house in Alpine for a huge profit while away. I thought that alone would be enough to make him happy but now I know why he was exuberant to “serve” as MP.
$$$$ What a frickin scam.
My Mission President also served as Mission President 3 times. Once at the local MTC and twice in the field. He never bothered to learn the language so that's why he always had American Assistants to interpret for him. Can you imagine. 9 years serving in countries which spoke a certain language and never bothering to learn it?
@@daverichards308 Sounds like colonialism. Expecting the locals to learn his language and his culture (meaning Utah culture which is the same god’s, according to Oaks.) Yeah, 9 years out of your life, away from family and career but look at the power and prestige - and now I know about the MONEY. Good lord. Live like a freakin king on the backs of tithe payers BUT DONT TELL ANYBODY NOT EVEN THE IRS. That smug BIL knowing not only he’s got a free pass to Mormon vip heaven but he’s reaping riches the whole time 🤢. I won’t even tell my mother- she’d never believe it. She thinks the guys sacrificed so much. Grr.
Sounds like a terrible man. They always pick the worst of the worst for those jobs.
Thank you for all of your research and hard work 🙏
My pleasure!
Remember, the $120,000 was 10 years ago. I’m sure with COL increases it’s higher now. Also, when your house, car, clothing (and it’s NICE clothing; they’re not shopping at Walmart) , even gifts, etc is all reimbursed, what else do you need.
I’d love to be able to give a more up to date figure, but I’m not comfortable doing it myself as I know whatever figure I come up with would be treated by some as the exact accurate figure that the leaders are now paid.
Monson : "The church is not wealthy" ... now that's a lie. & " Our church has no paid ministry " ... and that one too. So Prophets Seers Revelators lie to the membership and the public.
the prophet is not taylor swift. most people have no idea who he is, there is no reason he could just take a regular ass commercial plane like the rest of us commoners.
@alexandralovin2117 Are you suggesting we should start worshipping Taylor Swift because she is more well-known? The Church doesn't own private jets. A member offered his company jet for President Nelson to use back in 2018 when he was traveling before Covid hit. The leaders typically take commercial flights just like everybody else...well except Taylor Swift I guess who probably has a private jet.
Just because you don't know what the reason was doesn't mean it didn't exist.
The world doesn't have to run every thing by you first to make sure you're ok with it.
@alexandralovin2117 I couldn't disagree with you more. Yeah he's no T. Swift, but there are a lot of bad people who know who these men are. Guaranteed, if these top level GAs didn't have a security detail, there would be an assaination every decade, and probably a kidnapping for ransom every year. Are you saying you want a top level leader of an organization worth hundreds of billions of dollars, to have no security? To drive himself around? fly commercial? Live in a regular old house? That would be an open invitation for kidnapping and possibly murder. I may not be the biggest fan of these men, but I totally understand, and completely agree with, the course of action the lds church takes, to keep them safe and secure.
@alexandralovin2117 I disagree. Yeah he's no T. Swift, but these men are most definitely not commoners either. I'm not for religious leaders living lavish lifestyles and getting paid millions if dollars, but I'm also not a fan of kidnapping for ransom, or targeted physical violence towards anyone. And these men run a multi billion dollar corporation. They have targets on their back. Flying on a private corporate aircraft gives the security detail far more control over security matters.
@@Surface-n9k i have no idea what you’re saying.
Oh my , this makes me kind of crazy to watch. How I followed this church for so long is beyond me . Great video !
I believe the second anointing to be as damning as it gets for Mormonism. The religion over sells and under sells grace at the same time. Before you get the second anointing, grace is not enough to save you, works are required. After you get the second anointing, you're free to sin as you please, God will forgive you. It's really mind blowing stuff. All you need to know that Mormonism is a false doctrine: the second anointing, D&C 132, and the book of Abraham.
The Church has a REALLY uneasy relationship with Grace. To the point that they cannot live it.
@joellavergne.
X 192 BILLION
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Mormon heaven has levels...just like multi-level marketing companies do.
@@joellavergne2001 it’s is a world card reversed if you understand tarrot as such is the magic
Brighamism, not Mormonism
Wowowow one of your best!!! That is wild
Thanks! We appreciate your hard work in exposing the corruption within the LDS church.
My pleasure, thanks for you kind support!
@@nettylynnsiggy2711 are you sure he is exposing the truth? Some guy just read what he claims to be the truth and you pay him for it ?
@@NEMOTHEMORMON You actually accept money off the back of the Mormon church? Wow ! The sad part is your video is highly speculative.
@@patrickjohnson3671 don’t make me laugh. The irony is that you believe what the churches tells you and you pay them for it! Ha ha!
@@nettylynnsiggy2711 I appreciate that I have your attention. Please focus on the subject rather than on me, as I am not important here. I understand that you, like many others commenting here, likely dislike the LDS Church, which I respect as your choice. However, in your efforts to expose the Church as an evil empire, please at least speak the truth as it is, without distorting or twisting your findings-a pattern unfortunately followed by many anti-Mormons.
I’m not sure if you’ve had the chance to read my comments, but I have extensively addressed why you are falsely accusing the LDS Church leaders of enriching themselves with Church money under false pretenses. The evidence you’ve presented is speculative, superficial, and hasty in its conclusions.
Many, like you, are so quick to paint an ugly image of the Church that they don’t take the time to properly evaluate their findings. Those who are willing to spend the time and do proper research are likely to discover later that the findings of these anti-LDS critics were distorted. You and others are free to criticize the Church, but please be truthful about it. Why criticize the Church if you are doing the very thing you accuse the LDS leaders of-speaking half-truths and withholding facts?
The whole thing is a scam.
@@EchoesfromtheTabernacle quiet fake.
@@WatchingwaitingG2D are you off your meds again?
@@EchoesfromtheTabernacle no one cares that you're gay.
@EchoesfromtheTabernacle what's the matter your boyfriend break up with you again?
I love your videos. They are well thought out and easy to understand. I look forward to many more. Thanks!
Glad you like them!
If it weren’t about the money they would be transparent about money!
Exactly. They aren't hiding information about GA compensation because it's "modest". They're hiding it because they know it's not.
Good pt
Please show me one scripture in any of the standard works that justifies using member donations for lavish leader support. Or, one that justifies withholding tithing funds (meant for the poor) and diverting into long-term capital investment projects. Every $1 of church investments originally came from tithing. That's the church we've built.
It’s a multi billion dollar entity. They should be well paid.
@@kristinesharp6286 Off poor people’s food budget?
@@anitah2404 who is poor? Someone with less. Or is there are particular amount?
Tithing isn’t for food fast offerings are. If this video was actually balanced you all would actually know what the truth was. Unfortunately MINO (Mormon in Name Only) has no motive to be fair or balanced. He is just turning in to another John Dehlin the Delusional.
This MINO guy keeps on feeding misleading information by playing a small clip, ignoring all the other facts, and applying negative motives to almost everything he plays. This is basically the CNN or Fox News reporting about the other side. Hardly fair, hardly accurate, mostly designed to anger and divide and cause the viewers to be more angry to justify his own pride in his position no matter how right or wrong it is.
Are you really that upset that the Church doesn’t throw all their money at poverty? Have you taken this up with other wealthy religions or is it only the LDS church you have an issue with?
In essence, they practice what the Book Of Mormon defines as priestcraft.
The leaders and their families also receive the very best healthcare.
"No paid minisry " We make members work for zero pay (but they pay us )
Just hire janitors at least, my god
@@kyleeprattamen to this! What a joke that cleaning the building so the church doesn’t have to pay janitors anymore is meaningful service
This is another reason why I don't give money to them anymore.
@@macdonald2k I wish more members would find this out.
I stopped paying tithing when I was a Mormon when I learned that the Mormon Church was spending MILLIONS on advertising web browser search optimization...and during tithing settlements, I would tell my bishop that I was a full-tithe payer. I decided that if my bishop wanted to challenge me, I would challenge him. In the end, I resigned from the church and never looked back. My finances are NOT your business.
@@jeffcarlin5866I did something similar but received instant pushback from the bishop who insisted I wasn't a full tithe payer, so I decided to gtfo instead.
@@jeffcarlin5866 I've been tithing for years and no one has ever asked for a pay stub.
Your bishop never asked you for a pay stub either, you're just saying "if he did, I would have challenged him", but he didn't.
I trust what they do with my tithes and if they think advertising web browser search optimization is necessary, that's where it's going.
If I want to tithe for a specific reason, such as supporting the food bank, or supporting the missionaries, there are those options as well. I was surprised to see that the money I sent to my bishop, for my kid's camp, was counted as a tithe. I thought it was a camping fee for the rope course.
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@@Surface-n9k My bishop did not challenge me because he clearly lacked the "spirit of discernment." He should have used the "Melchizedek Priesthood" in order to "discern" that I was not paying tithing and therefore not "worthy." At the end of the day, the Mormon leaders -- whether they are local or general authorities -- are no more powerful than you, me, or any other mammalian primate.
We are taught that all members are equal. It's just that some members are more equal than others...and they walk on two legs too. Oh wait, that was George Orwell describing communism. ;)
His books, and others like Brave New World were telling us what was coming. Nowadays many movies do the same. It is called "predictive programming".
AND THE STAR-BELLIED SNEECHES!
Awesome work, keep doing what your doing Nemo
Thanks, will do!
This is pretty much all disgusting. I used to hold the church and its “unpaid clergy” in such high regard, using it as an example when arguing with people about how much CEOs of public charities were making. Now that I’ve found the truth about them, and am justifiably upset with them for lying, I get “Hinckley said they were paid in a 1985 priesthood conference talk, it’s not their fault you were misinformed”
My mission president was filthy rich. He told us so much every zone conference. He was a hotshot lawyer from Mesa Arizona, and he found a way to work in a reference to his massive wealth every time he spoke to us. It makes me sick that someone with that much wealth would also need the church to buy his family gifts. I encouraged poor members of the church to give up food on my mission to pay tithing, and the church was paying my mission president to have a personal chef.
Anyways, I understand that this is the way the world works. It just hurts that I believed the church was different for most of my life.
I totally get where you are coming from! I have Protestant clergy in my family and many LDS folks would tell me that they were “wrong” because they were paid to be pastors, not to mention that long ago in the temple attendees saw the skit of Lucifer paid a Protestant minister to preach. It offends me and angers me beyond reason!!
what's his name? (from mesa)
I might know him
@@jdsartre9520 David Udall
Exactly how I feel. I was so proud of no paid leaders of the Church. Now I am heartbroken and have lost Faith 😮
"The Church Is Not Wealthy"... $100 Billion is not accumulated wealth, it is accumulated Tithing set aside to maintain Church Leadership's Lavish Lifestyles as ordained and stipulated by Heavenly Father.
After watching that video clip of Oaks , once again I’m struck with how they say the most horrible things with a smile, as if they hope nobody will notice how awful the thing they said was.
I vividly remember when he said that! It was a jaw dropping moment for me. Clearly unforgettable.
And he's the next president of the church!
@@thomasashton1661 He may be the cause of many more thousands leaving.
May be?????@@carolyearsley
I love the music they put over it, like it's supposed to be so spiritually inspiring.
As someone who lived in a homelessness shelter in SLC for two years and now lives in a housing project where the senior missionaries are allowed to host a meeting in the common area on Sunday, the fact that the President of the Church is entitled to a penthouse, and the church owning apartment buildings/homes is geniuely upsetting. Like wtf. I knew people in the shelter who waited nearly a decade for housing vouchers. Like how can you be so removed from the suffering of the people in your city and claim to follow Jesus?
Also not gonna lie, it would be really interesting to actually know the extent of the Church's involvement with homelessness outreach in SLC, since I only have my first hand experience. I can't find anything besides the Church's name proudly being listed on the lists of donors of the shelter i stayed at.
This church has lied the 54 years I've been alive.
About what?
The church has lied since it's inception!
@@stanmayo1805 Every and Anything---Cheats about everything, just like Joseph Smith.
A couple at the tip of the iceberg, Joseph smiths wife's, and temple ceremonies. Lookinto the history of this channel and other channels to get many well researched and substantiated examples and first hand accounts. I was gas lighted my whole life till I was a young adult, though that is a whole other story. Do your research, and follow your heart mind and the facts.
Like Mormon Stories, From Cults to Conciousness, Nuancehoe and others
It's also important to note that female general auxiliary presidencies are not paid a stipend for their work. They work on a volunteer basis.
Do any auxiliary presidencies get paid? Probably not because they aren’t life terms.
You look like you’re trying too hard to play the sexism card.
@@Lovethisguy-kf1ku You’re right. And it’s hard to know whether the auxiliary presidencies ought to be or would want to be paid, given the principles of consecration and volunteerism that the rest of the church operates by. Several of the women leaders in the auxiliaries have other full time jobs. GAs get paid so they can devote themselves full time to the ministry. Auxiliary presidencies probably have more than enough to keep them busy, but don’t have the luxury of getting paid for it. However, the fact that being a general authority also means being a compensated employee of the church corporation with the perks Nemo describes complicates their ministry. It incorporates incentives that may run contrary to the ideals of an unpaid ministry.
@@Lovethisguy-kf1kuUm, it is sexism.
The church is ridiculously wealthy! So the stuff that Thomas S Monson said was not true.
"For the love of money is the root of all evil" (1 Timothy 6:10)
I was told in exact words, that the ONLY income the leadership received was from the royalties on their books and any investments they had made before becoming a GA. My seminary teachers did not at all equivocate or evade the topic. They spoke definitively and exactingly.
And they were absolutely wrong (not on purpose, but bc the truth was carefully hidden from them). I find this behavior by leadership of a church who purports to follow Jesus abhorrent & despicable.
It sucks to know that my parents tithing goes to GA kid’s free college when my parents haven’t saved up one dollar for me to go.
Neither have my parents and I still went to college.
@@phillipcook3430 yeah I’m starting this fall and I’m planning on paying all on my own. I’m pretty sure my parents paid a bit for my brothers while they were saving up for their missions though :/
I taught “no laid clergy” for 2 years incorrectly.
*paid
They are paid and laid. Haha 😂
@@waynenewcombe7600Except for Bednar.
@@waynenewcombe7600not as laid as JS, BY or Warren Jeffs
I just heard that Scientology has something like the 2nd anointing in that you are not held accountable for “sins” like murder if you need to murder someone Scientology will cover you.
Scientology teaches their members to never include police in any parts of their lives. All actions large and small are shared regularly in "Audting" sessions with another member as they hold onto the metal cans attached to the "E-meter" to measure the emotions of the sharer
@@stellaarthur2739 Yes the doctrine is called "Fair Game Responses" including physical and mental retribution
Trump can too.
This just made me hate the church more. There are so many ppl struggling just to buy a home or put food on the table. It’s sickening!!
One has to remember that they reside in the USA, where enjoying free VIP healthcare for life is a colossal bonus. The top 15 and they families live perpetually under a financial shelter very few will ever enjoy.
My mission president did not like the home theater set-up at his headquarters in our mission. The tithe payers fit the bill. He didn't give the purchase a second thought -- a new television and new appliances and new speakers.
Hypocrites for sure...
Just like Jesus would have done.
It’s like all prosperity gospels. You have to show you are financially blessed for people to believe they will be financially blessed.
@@kristinesharp6286 My mission president was a successful doctor from Idaho. He was wealthy...so, blessed indeed.
Wow the church really needs to be taxed
ALL churches need to be taxed!
If this bothers you then go look and see how much the ceo of Red Cross and other non profits make. Hint: it’s a lot more than the apostles
Does the IRS know about this part of the church??? They certainly ought to!
Any corporation that uses ©️ on all it's paperwork = company which should be taxed as well as all their shell companies, real-estate, private jets etc...
Agreed....but it will NEVER happen. This is the one "sacred cow" the church values above everything else, and I mean everything. If there is talk, and I mean serious talk, of passing laws or changing tax codes in order to make the church no longer tax exempt. The LDS church will go to war, so to speak, to keep its tax exempt status. If it means changing doctrines, beliefs, practices, etc...then so be it. They will sacrifice anything to stay tax exempt. I'm sure having billions of dollars to hire lobbyists and lawyers to influence lawmakers votes also helps.
Thank you for the research.
My pleasure!
I stopped tithing years ago
Did you burn up?
...wow.
What did God say, something about the difficulty of rich men entering heaven....🤦
I grew up interacting with apostles. Their main reward is the adoration they get. Some are very loving, smart people (Faust, Hunter), while others are mentally ill narcissists (Packer, Kimball).
Kimball a narcissist? He seemed more humble than most of the apostles.
Nelson definitely seems to me a narcissist.
Back in the 70s-80s, I had at least four personal encounters with Pres Kimball. For all his errors (likely rooted in the pioneer ethic/superstitions in which he was raised in frontier Arizona), I found him genuinely caring (especially about Native Americans, Blacks, Chinese, women, and other underdogs), approachable, and pious in the best sense. I left the church decades ago partly due to so many GAs being not like him but egomaniacs, delighting in pushing their weight around and persecuting perceived enemies.
I dont have a problem with the use of the private jet. I work in aviation and speaking strictly from the point of view of those who are the leaders of major corporations, businesses, religious institutions, and government officials. I would say flying privately is the only way to go. For these leaders, time is money, so flying private cuts time dramatically. It also allows for making last minute changes to ones schedule. For example, lets say President Eyring flys out to some far flung place, and conducts some church buisness, dedicates a temple, and does what GAs do. And lets say he's pressed for time and his meeting goes long. If he flys commercial, he could miss his flight, and seriously mess up the rest of his busy schedule. Where as if he flies private, there is no problem. Its not like the private jet is going to leave without him, at worst the pilots might have to file a new flight plan...big deal. The other thing to consider that this video didnt take into account, is these type of people are targets, their lives are constantly being threatened. Flying private is a far better way to go, because the body gaurds and security teams can have far more control over security matters. Thats my two cents on the matter.
Let’s also keep in mind that the $120,000 figure is now 10 years old.
Absolutely
Russell handing Jacinda Ardern a Book of Mormon 😬
I wonder what Jacinda, an Ex-Mormon who left the Church in her 20s because of LGBTQ and tithing issues, did with her copy of the BoM.
Whatever she did, I hope it felt cathartic.
I’d love to know!
Thanks for sharing Nemo. I do not think any of these financial aspects are inappropriate. I do wish two things: 1) the church would stop declaring having an unpaid clergy, 2) pay bishoprics and stake presidents for the many hours they put in.
They are significant time consuming part time jobs. We could make them full time jobs like Church education. Jomo
I agree, and bishops should have formal training. The slave labor at the lower rungs of the church is disgusting. Scientology would be proud!
Having an unpaid clergy is nothing to boast about. It just means you have an untrained, strained, distracted, unfocused and often stressed out person under pressure to pretend to be some kind of local religious leader, while they also neglect the needs of their own family members. It's a nonsensical proposition that is derived from some antiquated and heavily romanticized notions about something that may have been sort of possible in a small agrarian community...sort of like the Amish. In modern Mormonism randomly selecting people from unrelated backgrounds to be local religious leaders is as inappropriate and clumsy as randomly assigning janitors and gardeners to be part-time, unpaid lawyers and surgeons for 5 to 10 years.
Some of it I can understand. The church owning a private jet and housing for leaders to use seems fine enough in my opinion because those can be considered church property but mission presidents getting reimbursed for paying gardeners is essentially the same thing as the church paying them itself, making the gardeners effectively church employees. And, of course, I get the feeling there is a lot more going on with BYU than we are aware of. Children of mission presidents getting free education while third-world country inhabitants being required to pay for it is particularly egregious!
Required to pay for it, and pay the interest for the loan.
And they don't clean their toilets, either.
I would like to know the amount of royalties, if any received by President Kimball for his book The Miracle of Forgiveness. The book was promoted and prescribed by a worldwide network of bishops counseling sinners. It would also be interesting to know if President Kimball's estate continues receive the royalties.
Great question!
As a fellow Utahn, that never joined the Church, I really don't care if my neighbors want to spend their hard earned money to provide a luxury life for a few "celebrities". I see it everyday in life that people give their money to celebrities and corporations in secular life as well.🤔 i do think that they should know what they're paying for however , so your channel is indeed helpful.
My mission president is the epitome of church legacy. His pension is with the church, his healthy wealth came from the church. He had 15 plus years of free housing from the church as both a mission president and also a temple president. I thought he worked for free as a mission president, NOPE he had a healthy reimbursement plus all of his kids got to go to college for free. Plus his kids often times visited him. Yep he has no reason to deny it’s true with his great perks in church leadership. Plus his great status in church culture
What a Cult. The final disposition of someone’s soul is determined by God only - not any man through any ordinance.
That’s not what Jesus taught. ‘Except a man be born of the water and of the Spirit he cannot enter in to the Kingdom of Heaven’
@@phillipcook3430 Baptism in itself does not guarantee eternal salvation but it is a necessary first step. The ordinance I am referring to is the Mormon Second Anointing where their leaders guarantee salvation of your soul
Wow
Do not show any income from the church on your tax return. Do not call it income.💸
Have you done a video on Russel M Nelson's autobiography called Heart to Heart and more importantly page 48 secret society?
According to the church, as I recall from the announcement for the PEF, the “modest” interest on the loans goes back into the fund. So if we can take them at their word, the church is not technically making a profit on that fund.
However, given what happened behind closed doors with Ensign Peak Advisers, I don’t believe we can take them at their word.
When it was first announced, I was young teen and didn't remember them talking about it being an interest based loan. I was so sad to find out recently that the money I set aside went to fund a student loan, not a scholarship.
Worse is that they only loan out the interest on the money donated. It’s an endowment fund. Hinckley said,
“Based on similar principles to those underlying the Perpetual Emigration Fund, we shall call it the Perpetual Education Fund.
From the earnings of this fund, loans will be made to ambitious young men and women, for the most part returned missionaries, so that they may borrow money to attend school.”
@@LeoLemonKitty wow I hadn't remembered that.
@@hittsrus5185 it was hidden in plain sight. None of us caught it. The PEF has been discontinued but there is no disclosure of what was done with the fund. I donated monthly to that fund. I’d like to know where it is now.
@@LeoLemonKitty 😞
Mission presidents get free medical care, while the poor missionaries have to bear all the cost.
@positivevibes1760 ….. you’re really going to complain that the mission president stayed in a nice house? Is this your issue with the church? This is quite easily explained and if people are going to get mad at that, they’ll just get mad at anything.
When you have people (missionaries) who are literally at their apartments to sleep essentially, you don’t need fancy housing. Zone leaders and PA’s spend more time in their apartments for calls, planning etc. this is basic stuff bro lol. Let’s see what the “zone leaders” living situation is like in Ecuador… cmon everywhere is different
saying that teenagers are made to work so much they only are in their housing to sleep is not a point in favor of the missionary system.
It was the hardest 2 years of my life and I regret putting myself through that.
And mission presidents actively discourage missionaries from seeking medical care unless it’s an emergency.
@@Ab44778you kind of suck at discussing debating topics. So every time you hear someone complain about something someone complains about Biden you say that's your only problem I'm assuming it's the only problem because there is no information given that that is your only issue but I'm going to assume it so I can make a dumb comment about it and then I'm going to say if you have an issue with that you'd have an issue with anything.
What information a reasoning was provided to make you think if they have a problem with that then they'll find a problem with anything. What about finding problems that are actually problems?
How about just discuss what issue is being talked about Don't assume anything that's not relevant or not backed up with reason just debate the topic of the comment. If you don't understand why people would have a problem with that it's your lack of intelligence I know I could be in the position of thinking that it's all right that they have a stipend but also understanding why someone would have a problem with it
@@Ab44778or a shorter way to say your comment.
If a lie this outrageous makes you mad then you're going to be one of those people that get mad at all the lies that they tell
Biggest pyramid scheme ever conceived lol.
Sir Nemoalot 🤺!!😂 👍 Great video again!
I noticed a certain pride in Henry B Eyring, with a beam in his eye, as Dad installs son, with the glowing title, 'President of Brigham Young University...' Record scratch...⚡ Disappointment flashes across Daddy's eye as he gives the requisite - 'Idaho.'
Almost made it, son.
Almost good enough.
I imagine the real BYU needs a guy presiding who knows what he's doing, or isn't just an end table serving the GIANT egos of the reigning narcissists.
... But that's just me speculating, under the comedic vibes of Sir, Nemoalot 🤺
The BYU-I Presidency is like an Eyring claimed sinecure at this point. Henry B (nephew of Spencer W. Kimball) was the president at one point. Then his son. A grandson is probably waiting for his turn. There may also be some Bednars who want to make a claim on the position. Maybe they'll have to take turns. Meanwhile Bonnie Cordon, another child of another GA (the late Harold G. Hillam) was recently made the president of the LDS Church-linked Southern Virginia University. No discernible qualifications other than having been Young Womens President for the Church at one point and having some kind of undergraduate degree from BYU. Most descriptions simply say she "attended BYU" and don't specify any degree. Holland's son got the job of President of Utah Valley University. I'm sure family connections have nothing to do with any of the above. LOL.
Are you referring to the fact that BYU Idaho is one of the lowest ranked "universities" in the nation? Or that it admits 16-year-old students without US equivalent high school diplomas?
Blows my mind that missionaries have to pay their own way through their voluntary service, partly relying on members to feed them, but mission presidents are paid AND reimbursed for most expenses. "It means more when you have to save up and pay your way." If that's true, why doesn't mission president's service have to mean anything to them?
I don't think he said mission pres were paid??
Nepotism is a core principle of the gospel.
@@kentthalman4459 Being gay isn't.
I've heard it said that Mormonism is a church dabbles in business. It's more accurately a business that dabbles in religion. What other business takes 10% of their entire Workforce's income for the good of the business? Bear in mind, many of these people are insanely wealthy already (the Romney family) the Church is just sitting on it! Many people are suing the Church for their previous contributions.
@4bibimimi quiet clueless.
It's a business masquerading as a religion. Always has been.
@TEAM__POSEID0N oh look, the cowardly liars are back. Time is coming to settle with your nonsense. Open your mouth again and find out. Otherwise, disappear.
I wonder if these stipends are then tithed just as our income would be?! On my mission the stipend we received to cover expenses was specifically told NOT to pay tithing on… so my guess is it’s the same for the leaders and mission presidents… tax free, tithing free money… so corrupt!
The Church does not own private jets. Church leaders generally fly commercial, though there have been instances when wealthy members (such as Jon Huntsman) have offered the use of their own personal jets to Church leaders. I knew personally knew of one member who offered to give general authorities a ride on his private jet.
If true, would that give the owner claim to a charitable contribution for the use of the jet for religious purposes?
Yes, and we only know about the use of the Huntsman corporate jet thanks to Richard Hinckley having an accident on board that required an emergency landing in Anchorage...that made the news. Of course the Church at this point could own two or three PJs without even feeling the slightest budgetary discomfort. Practically, however, it would be more economical to charter PJ flights on an as-needed basis. If they have a group of 8 or so flying with the "prophet" it wouldn't cost much more than buying first-class tickets for all of them and they would have more control over their schedule. I wouldn't be surprised if they're doing that now quite routinely. The Huntsman connection was reported on in the late 1990s, so that may not even be a thing anymore. (Interestingly, Nelson's son-in-law, Ringwood, worked for Huntsman enterprises before becoming a GA.)
@@TEAM__POSEID0NI had a friend whose son worked at the church office building fir a few years ago I remember that my friend told me that her sons co worker at the church office building family had gone to Hawaii for a vacation. While his family was in Hawaii President Uchtdorf and his family showed up on a private jet to vacation there first at least a month. The private jet that President Uchtdorf used to fly did not belong to the church. It belonged to a friend that Uchtdorf knew.
@@bethp8436 Not surprising about Uchtdorf especially. He's a pilot, presumably has many pilot friends and is also a former high-ranking executive in the aviation sector. That would be his personal business if he and his family have access to private jet travel for private family matters. (But it also reveals that none of the top leaders are just getting by on modest "stipends" and living very simple and frugal lifestyles behind the scenes...even though that's what defenders of the faith are always claiming, saying that these guys have all "sacrificed" their wealth for the church.) For official church business too, for any travel to a particular destination that would involve an entourage of several people, the cost of chartering a private jet for the trip could be around the same as the cost of booking business class tickets for everyone in the group.
Wai wait…they get paid for going on a mission? I was told I had to pay for the entire two years for travel, food, lodging, etc…fresh out of high school at age of 18, I was only getting $4.75 an hour. There was no way I could save enough money to do that. These leaders out there exposing the loopholes for personal gain…smh
So in summary, the scam is operating like a scam
Thanks for shining a light Nemo.
Always!
Mission President's unmarried kids (under age 26) get their Bachelor (or less) college tuition paid for?! They get housekeeper for under 20 hours a week?! They get family gifts paid for?! What the hell.
Lol, "Our church is not wealthy" my ASS.
I wish I was "not wealthy" in the same way the church is "not wealthy." If I'd invested my tithing the past 25+ working yrs, rather than donating it in good faith, maybe I would be by now.
Now I have a testimony of the "miracle" of compound interest, & I chose to donate to actual charities, who are truly transparent in their finances, who's good works I can see with my own eyes, & I donate of my own free will & choice.
The chasm between those two experiences is truly collosal.
Meanwhile they have members rationing food and medicine, and drowning in medical debt being told to pray more and pay their tithing and they will be blessed in the afterlife... knowing full well they have enough money to alleviate the suffering of the members who have provided them with their "stipend".
Looks like another good video Nemo You are like the radio free Mormon of the UK
More like the radio free MINO (Mormon in Name Only)
Even better than RFM
@@phillipcook3430 According to the logic of Nelson, a MINO cannot exist in the sense that you are implying. No faithful member of the Church is a "Mormon". Are you trying to sneak in a victory for Satan? There was a whole choir of people who worked out of Temple Square for many decades creating victories for Satan with every performance. Finally a real prophet stepped forward and put an end to that subversion. Choose ye this day...
It's their CHILDREN and posterity who rake in the benefits. In addition to the free education, they have unlimited BUSINESS NETWORKING OPPORTUNITIES among the wealthiest members of the church--it's no little thing to sell access to GA family. Their "believing" family do VERY well.
When they say "it's not about sex," it's about sex.
My grandfather told me Fast and Testimony Meeting was a travelog of member's retelling their travels and adding something church related 😅 it's time to tax them already
@bewitched. "BOAST
and
TASTY MONEY"
meeting? 😜😜
"Big Boy" Sunday School Class. = TESTOSTERONE
TESTIMONY TOURNAMENT
We call it “open mic Sunday” in our house
@@spiritbearsrawesome 😆
@@sheliabryant3997 😆
Nemo! Did you know that this issue was brought up on the tv show “Big Love “? In the episode, Barb’s brother in law, an airline executive, is called to the First Quorum of the Seventy and given a lavish office in the Church Administration Building while his wife Cindy who is Barb’s younger sister lords it over everybody.
Books are priestcraft and are some of the most expensive books sold, some with leather covers selling for around $100, like biographies and autobiographies of top leadership.
Ivory Homes (Utah home builders) donates model homes to the LDS church as tithing. Most of the upper leadership receive a home and don’t have to pay a mortgage.
@@r7erickson wow-talk about money laundering!
If it weren't for donations the church would have nothing. Just because they invested the donations (instead of feeding the hungry) and used the dividends to pay the leaders doesn't mean that the original source wasn't tithing all along.
Great point
@@NEMOTHEMORMONactually this is not a great point. The LDS church is able to do more with tithing if invested rather than less. You may not like how they use it and think it is wrong but I think they actually do a lot of good with it and it also is going to open a lot of opportunities for them when everyone else keeps deciding to live beyond their means.
@@phillipcook3430 The point is that the money still comes from tithing. When a person pays money to the Church as tithing, the investment potential of that money is also given to the Church at the same time. It can't be separated out. I don't think most people would argue that the Church should never make investments using tithing money (or profits derived from profits from past investments of tithing money). But it's sophistry and deception for the Church to claim that they aren't using "tithing" for this or that just because they've decided to label profits derived from tithing as funds that are "not tithing".
and they preach to people who are struggling financially and if you have to choose between buying food for your family and paying tithing pay tithing, if you have to choose between buying clothes for your children and paying tithing pay tithing, if you have to choose between paying rent or your mortgage, pay your tithing. Religion is fertile ground for despicable con men who swindled money from financially struggling people
Knowing all of these things, why would anyone stay in this "church" and worse, pay tithings to it? It boggles the mind.
Nemo, an additional perk are the church
owned recreation properties such as hunting preserves for the use of church leadership.
Would love to see a source for this!
If they don't use a private jet, they exclusively fly first class on airlines.
I remember Elder LeGrand Richards used to fly coach, refusing to fly first class because he said it wasn't right for an apostle to lift himself up above the common man. Haven't seen any other general authorities doing that.
They have to. How else can you get faith-promoting stories about them having conversations on planes with famous celebrities, like Gene R. Cook's story about sitting next to Mick Jagger on a long flight.
The mission president reimbursement is surprising. Especially when you previously shared how this benefits several of President Nelson’s kids.
Oh my ....I had no idea mission presidents get so much financial support...I thought they also need to cover their own expenses. Especially that many of them are wealthy...
$100k stypend?that's a good salary even in the US.
Such hypocrisy.
$100k isn’t much in the US especially if you live in a coastal city.
@@phillipcook3430 too bad that's it's not much considering that the majority of Americans don't make close to that...
@@phillipcook3430 It's actually a lot, if you're housing is also covered separately, along with food, transportation and other routine expenses.
Nemo, I really don’t think the money or benefits is the main driver here. I make about $140,000 a year and I dont feel like I’m living high on the hog.
The real perks to some of these guys is how much power and authority they wield. The members are absolutely enamored by the “greatness” of these men.
It’s also likely an extremely easy job. My guess is that their schedules are very manageable and not much is required as far as performance.
Is your 140k taxed? Is theirs?
I can see the point that it may not be about the money, that’s why this video sought to lay out the other perks they get.
Also, great point by a commenter that the money leaders get isn’t taxed, compared to yours which is.
I think the larger point is the lack of transparency. Ordinary members of the Church simply don't know what kind of compensation these guys get. The stipend at this point is almost certainly much more than 120K, since we only know about the 120K figure from an unauthorized leak that came out more than a decade ago. The "modest stipend" could be the tip of the iceberg. Of course the motivations that drive them will be multi-faceted and diverse. For an extremely wealthy guy, the adulation, feeling of power, the ego trip of having millions of people hanging on your every word as though it's coming straight from God may be enticing enough that they would pay to get it...but instead can get it and have the added benefit of collecting a nice six-figure "stipend" every year. For lifelong employees of the church in one form or another (such as Packer, Monson, Hinckley, etc.) it's all gravy all the way up to the top, both financially and in terms of status.
@@TEAM__POSEID0N
X 200
BILLION.
And that is not envy or anything like;
it's the kind of outrage to which the smallest sense of decency would flash and self-launch toward perdition.
The church also gives them the house to live in, so having a Gardner and house keeper is in the church’s interest
Gardner I get because of upkeeping the church owned property. House keeper/ cook, feels a bit colonial tea plantation to me. Especially as the wife is described in the handbook as being responsible for the cooking etc and care of the children. Many women do this without domestic help, so it’s definitely a perk.
God and Jesus are my only two leaders on earth while I am alive.
Well, I take back my words. I do have a few ‘leaders’ in my ordinary life such as my bosses, my tour leaders on tours and so forth.
This is so important.
I can't even imagine how much grift happens behind LDS temple building. Someone is getting paid a fat consulting fee.
excellent video Nemo. my brother and I watched it on our drive to our next job.
Glad you enjoyed it
"General Authorities leave their careers when they are called into full time Church service. When they do so, they are given a living allowance which enables them to focus all of their time on serving in the Church. This practice allows for far more church members on a worldwide basis to be considered for a calling to serve as a General Authority, rather than limiting considerations to only those who may be financially independent. The living allowance is uniform for all General Authorities. None of the funds for this living allowance come from the tithing of Church members, but instead from proceeds of the Church's financial investments."
According to whom?
And .... the church financial investments (see SEC settlement) came originally from tithing funds, or other companies/investments which came from tithing funds....
Where do you think the church gets the money from to make "financial investments"?
Yes… I included this in the video
@@sarahjane8063it’s for profit arms that it owns and operates. City Creek Reserve etc.
No doubt these pharisees are well compensated.
Wow, for many missionaries it was hard to pay for your mission. If you're a mission president, you can't afford NOT to go!
A 120,000
Dollars a year, Houses,and automobile the very best automobiles.And NO PAY MINISTERS. They are Liars