NEW Conductors REMEMBER These TWO Sounds
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 5 ก.ย. 2024
- Understanding how brakes work on a locomotive can help prepare to for what's to come. Become familiar with these sounds, listen to the slack and the automatic brake being applied on the train over and over. Once you become familiar with these sounds you will know what's coming when riding a shove as a conductor.
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Does the conductor have stuff to do in the cab or do they just sit there and wait in till they have to do something with the train.
@@sawyerschrimpf3395mostly in the cab. You are barely outside
During our first week of boot camp, our engineer had our class climb up on a 20 car train to show what the slack is gonna be like. He showed us how to properly hang on to the car. He really tossed us around. Thinking about it now, it was probably the best thing he showed us during that week.
Yes this type thing does happen what it is is a sign of an engineer mishandling his train and has not a clue what he's doing .
Don't ever be afraid to tell the engineer what to do. He works for you. And if he doesn't/won't listen, climb up in the cab and start chewing.
Worked with a guy in years past who never listened. He was always ripping the throttle and independent. Kept telling him to chill out. Finally one day I had enough and told him over the radio "If you throw me around today I'm coming up there to beat your ass." 2 Trainmasters heard it and tried to charge me on the spot for improper radio etiquette. Long story short they ended up downloading the engine and charged the engineer with improper train handling
As an engineer, when a man is riding on the cars I try and make their ride as smooth as possible pulling pushing it doesn't matter.
I know most engineers take tremendous pride in that. I remember some of the guys I work with would get livid and cut TO off if our DP ever hit us from behind lol.
You’re doing more for railroaders than most. Keep doing what you’re doing, brother
If I can add another incident with an old head Brakeman. It was at the same place and a long cut of empty coal hoppers. He lost a leg. The rumor went around that his foot somehow went through the stirrup when they stopped. He dropped his radio. The head Brakeman walked back because they lost contact. He found him sitting under a light near a car knockers shed. He crawled about twenty yards to the light so they could find him. Wheels don't cut body parts off. They aqueeze them off. Work safe guys n gals. Stay aware, don't let anyone hurry you and don't take risks.
Thanks Railroad Talk.
I nearly done that once it is a problem you don't think of until you run your leg through that stirup I never forgot it though it never happened again. That was alk my stupid mistake. You can't be to careful around a rail yard and yes use your ears like you do your eyes you ears delivers messages to yourself. You'll know it when things don't sound right find you a hole or maybe you have to jump across a draw bar in the adjacent track try to know what's around you and get out of the way by any means possible if you have to break rules to get yourself to safety . I'd rather be charged with a rule violation than to loose an arm or a leg.
I was riding the shove of 103 grain cars one night. Coming to a crossing we had to flag and i got down to 3 cars with no air being set up, and the slack came out so fast i didnt have time to prepare. Started to panic, and around a car and a half from the crossing, train went from 10mph to 0 in aboht 15 feet. Almost got thrown off. Funniest part is, seconds before we stopped, the cars started setting up. Im waiting for that engineer to rip a train apart.
I have worked for csx as an engineer for 25 years. I always shove on air. In my opinion engineers over the last 10 years or so don’t have experience. Conductors please just walk. If you know he uses the engine brake, just walk. Take the safest course.
You’re right about shoving with air, but I find more old heads shoving without air. Seems like they forget what it’s like to be on the ground. When I’m on the ground I always walk. It drives my MTO craze and calls me stupid for it, but it also eats his ass when I tell him there isn’t any rule saying I can’t walk.
Them old heads might not be as old as you think .
The carriers should have a video like this to train their new hires - this would be way more valuable than any EEO or drug and alcohol policy video. Sadly, the carriers are more interested in shoving warm bodies through the bare minimum to call them "qualified" so they can fill their rosters. I've been getting called with a lot of new conductors lately and it is sad and scary how little they know coming out of training. Most of them have zero knowledge of hand signals, and many have only operated a switch or buckled air hoses once or twice in their lives, yet the carrier calls them "qualified". I'm going to keep this video handy on my phone to show to the new guys - thank you for making it!
That’s scary, I am going to work on some basic videos to help cause the carriers dang sure aren’t doing their part. Unbelievable. Thank you Matthew! Appreciate the support on the channel.
When I did training for class 1 back in February they didn't mention anything about slack running out during the four-week course I found that out when I got to my terminal I work with some decent engineers but there are some Engineers out there that are rough he have a couple but Engineers have the ability 80% of the time to control how rough the Slack is going to be in and out
Thank you for your videos! I’m a female and going to start my career at UP in May!
That’s awesome! You’ll do just fine! I wish you the best!
At first I thought that "tink" might have been the result of slack. I was not "on the ground" as a railroader except for checking car numbers as I walked track in yards. A more curious younger me might have picked up that detail. I've seen and heard many trains or cuts of cars go into emergency, usually accompanied by "Shit, WTF?" Often an impatient yardmaster, needing that guy to get out of the way, so his other guy can make a move.
I didn't know until recently that "emergency" and "service" were separate systems. I learned that from Hyce, another TH-cam railroad teacher. If you like this, you'll like Hyce.
That slack action when working RCO is crazyyyyy I keep these boots on the ground
He is crazy he most likely tore his train once in a million pieces and they promoted him to get him away running the engines . made an instructor out of him and give him 20 cars to beat you guys to death with. Its hard to tear up 20 empties . but they can literally beat you black and blue . I once was on the back of a caboose and holding on with both hands and was nearly launched over the railing it n the back of the caboose. We had only 7 cars and I'm not exaggerating . He wasn't worth a crap and no one liked him . And he had no idea what he was doing . some of these guys do take pride in not beating you up . the others don't know what they are doing.
Oh RCO didn't catch that but I still stand by the post
Ill tell you one other little trick about people who will beat you to death like this . tie up about 3 or 4 hand brakes on the rear . that helps tremendously.
Our engineers out here in california who are really good at what they do shove with a minimum set in it when your riding. If your building a train where all hoses aren't laced well that's a different story. If you can't use air don't ride it. It's dangerous to do so. I've had to jump a couple of times to keep from getting thrown off. Prayers again to his family and all his new railroad buddy's
My prayers and thoughts go out to the young family who have sufferer this tragic loss. May God please be with and comfort this young family in these darkest of hours. Amen.
I used to work for a chemical plant in Henderson, KY that was switched by CSX up until 2017 or so. They would always switch the cars with the hand brakes set. So every tank car was squaling when pulled. I asked my uncle(retired engineer) why they did this, and he told me it was so that when they throttled the engine down the train would stop. Supposedly they were supposed to switch hazmat with the hand brake set on every car. Also, I live beside the CSX Henderson Sub, and I have heard that clicking sound. We frequently hear the slack running in and out as trains go by our house, and sometimes you would think the train just derailed…
Lots of these people lack situational awareness while working out here and lots of people get complacent.
Yeah complacency is just built in our DNA. The only way i know how to combat it is with self trigging when you catch yourself doing something stupid 🤣 easier said than done lol
@Railroad_Talk I just noticed a lot of these new trainees just do not realize how dangerous this job can be! I tell em constantly how you can either get yourself killed or others by not paying attention to what you're doing and what's going on around you.
@@cammedam5230 that’s right, I still always say “you’re the softest thing out there” lol.
If it permits I usually try to tie a few stingers before we start the shove. Especially when shoving a light cut with big road jacks.
So tink is okay sound
But wosh, I should hold on for dear life
Yes, tink tink tink, brakes being applied, whooosh, death grip the grab irons lol.
@@Railroad_Talk I'll be ready
Rules say not to wrap your arms around the bars but F that when I'm trying to give a car count and hold on. Also don't know how conductors do it without a hand mic. Final and most important thing... there's no requirement to ride the cars. If you don't feel comfortable riding cars, you don't have to. But good luck getting anything done
6:43 it sounds like a FIGHTER JET coming!
Slack is something to be aware of. Alot of my engineers ive been with have asked me how the rides been on trains with alotta slack and really if its a good engineer i hardly feel anything. Theres only been one engineer whos had an issue with slack so i feel as long as the engineer knows what they are doing and has air you will be fine. You still wanna be careful ofc always holding on tight just in case. I was riding not a shove but still up and the train shot coming through town. Me and the engineer were both surprised but nothing came of it as it was a pull and i was holding on with 3 points
While riding cars during a shove and if you’re near the EOT device you’ll hear a difference in tone of the turbine when and if your engineer sets air on the automatic. Plus some of the EOT’s have a visible pressure gauge on the both sides of the device now. Most decent engineers will set 5-7 pound or minimum reduction before they start shoving. I’ve had both independent jerkers and good engineers, I’ve even had some that have had air set but will add a little dynamic rolling backwards downhill to help make it a little smoother.
Great point, I never got to work around EOTs much. Most of the time it was flashing red lights or red flags
There is a couple of guys in this post that know what they are doing . My hats off to the guys that will draw off 5 or 6 pounds . You'll learn who they are otherwise I'd simply get off and walk . There is not a rule that says you have to be beaten black and blue because you have an engineer that can't handle 20 cars without throwing you off the end of the cut. But this is a very good article . listen for the sounds that well tell you a lot . especially if you hear your engines loading up when there not supposed to .
A good engineer will put a little air in the cars to not jerk the conductor off. When I was a conductor I had a engineer I really didn’t like and he didn’t like me but you had to get along to work but he sure tried to yank my arm out of socket and im glad I figured it was going to happen so I had arm wrapped good
It could just be a part of your safety briefing with your engineer before you start your work... "Hey Engineer... What type of brakes you going to use while we work?" CYA
Omg that was beautiful stop @11:05. I applyed for NS back in tail end of june. Got a virtual interview this friday. Im really hoping to get this job. Thanks for the video's my friend. Ive been binging a lot of them here recently. Since i found out i was going to do a interview
Good luck buddy! Appreciate the support on the channel!
Curious Where r u in the hiring? I’m in the process
As an engineer I always have air set when shoving while someone is riding on the rear. If a conductor/new conductors are wanting to ride the shove when no air is on the cars or I don't think it's safe, I always try to job brief with them on my recommendation and the dangers of them choosing to ride.
That’a awesome, a lot easier to prepare when you know what’s coming lol.
Thanks for doing that you should call their attention to things that can hurt them they don't know . I seldom rode the ends of cars other than an industry was several miles away then I rode that damn caboose . if he beat me up I'd tie up breaks on my end.
Part of the tragic death is bc of the lack of the experience of riding cars. I'm also a new marked up conductor since may but I've had excellent conductors teaching me. If possible do not get on the car until moving. And like you've said, try and get as comfortable as possible with riding cars but it also has to do with the lengthof the train and engineer some know how to use just enough throttle and some are slam and go. The rain sucks and snow is worse. If you don't feel comfortable doing it just say so and walk the point. Take your time
Great information brother. I start next week with BNSF in Wisconsin. Thank you.
That’s awesome man! Congrats! Stay safe buddy! I’m not sure if you have herd of rails tails and trails youtube channel but Jon is a BNSF conductor and a great dude that shares some great info on his channel as well.
@@Railroad_Talk yup. Thanks a ton. Excited and nervous, but I am taking it a little at a time. Peace be with you.
Sounds like some good info. I’m applying next month to csx. I will keep these in mind if I get the job
Also good luck on your bass fishing. I had a railfan friend get me into it and I enjoy it by PB currently is 5.4 LBS
That’s awesome man! That’s a good fish! My fishing picks back up in September with my “big tournaments”. Looking forward to recording these tournaments and sharing the story.
@@Railroad_Talk can’t wait!!!
What's sad is it shouldn't be a conductors responsibility to not get killed by a terrible engineer that doesn't know how to shove
This is great info especially if your working with a Forman on a yard job
That could have been me. I applied for this position to couple months ago. I was turn down in the interview stage. But this very well could have been me instead of this young man. I am praying for this man and his family. No one should have to go through this. But this could have been me
I was there when it happened and another happened in Cumberland last Sunday.
I'm all familiar of those sound independent amd automatic especially in the yard and local in Macon, GA nearly everyday while in OJT for 4 month if I was try to become conductor again I be more prepared myself on the field
I'm a locomotive engineer I call that poor train handling
Thanks for calling it like it is
hey joey good to have you back... wish it was under better circumstances though... in the "modern era", haven't heard of too many guys getting hurt the way this guy got hurt but for sure slack action has been a MAJOR safety issue for a LONG time... lotta guys from the steam era who rode the tops of the cars got shook off of them... and what about riding in the caboose... lots of folks romanticize riding in the caboose but it was a VERY dangerous place to be in... all that buff and draft and shaking in that caboose if you aren't braced and ready for movement, you can get seriously injured... when you do railroading the correct way it is still dangerous... so there is zero room for doing it the unsafe way... really is heartbreaking that this new hire had his life cut short and for what????... i blame CSX for poor training... WTF kind of school are they running i do wonder
I remember a pre 85 guy Steve I trained with telling me about riding in the caboose and he said it was miserable depending on the how the train was built and the engineer lol.
Glad to hear from you! Hope you’re doing well buddy.
@@Railroad_Talk doing fine here... my oldest daughter graduated from her navy "A" school in merdian Mississippi and is now out in San Deigo assigned to the theodore roosevelt air craft carrier... also been dealing with the texas heat (i live about a half hour north of San Antonio right up I-35)... and i guess you been working/fishing LOL... hopefully more fishing than working
My biggest fear is having an accident
hello great videos but for people working on nj transit and amtrak you do have very little slack between each car about two inches even though they say there's no slack you have to watch out for it if you have two more cars but most transit conductors raide inside the car but be careful.
Thanks!!
Engineers aren’t trained like they use to be. I shove a minimum everywhere when we are switching. Sometimes 10. That’s the only way you can give a conductor a good safe ride
I’m sure you were once a conductor, or you may have hired in as a engineer. Either way I want to say thank you! I know the conductors appreciate it.
I've never understood engineers that would do this. If I have the power I push/pull a minimum ALWAYS if cndr is riding. If I can't, I tell the conductor it's gonna be rough or to walk instead.
If I have to be on my radio while that slack is rolling in/out, I like to wrap my arm around the ladder or grab iron just to have another point of contact. May not be the best method but it makes me feel a little safer
I did the same. I’m going to make a video showing how I rode cars.
I did to. But, there are cars that you can't put you arms around the grab irons. Box cars and Gon's for an example. On a long shove. It helped to relax each arm. Just say'n you have to be careful.
@@leadslinger49 we could jump inside our gon cars or get up on the platform of certain hopper cars has to have a solid floor. I hated riding those box cars especially in the bowl.
@@leadslinger49 absolutely!
@@Railroad_Talk it was against the Rules for us to ride under the slope sheets on covered hoppers. If I'm not mistaken riding in Gon's was forbidden as well. Specially loads. If the slack rolls out hard. The loads could shift. Steel plates would take your legs off. Pipes or any other shiftable loads could crush you.
Goid stuff 😊
Riding rail cars with an engineer who likes to use the independent is like riding a bucking bronc in a rodeo, and the sound of the slack action coming towards you is your warning that they're about to open the gate!!! Screw yourself down tight on that grab iron and hold the hell on because getting bucked off of the iron horse can kill you!
shoving with someone riding you should always shove with air
I dont know much about trains. Never worked in this field, but I stumbled across your video and stayed bc I was curious. Why would you use one break over another? If you have a engine with all these cars, why wouldnt you always just use automatic?
That’s a great question. I would like to answer this over a video. I’m not a certified engineer but I have a few thoughts as to why but if I make a video I know some engineers will jump in and helps us all learn including myself.
I hope I don’t sound crazy but I’ll ask the best way I can. So from my understanding the track authorities are sent by PTC. So I wondered would it be necessary to copy them down off of the PTC screen as well. Great video man. What happened to the guy was tragic.
Good question Kamryn, I’m not sure how they’re doing things now but I will reach out to some engineers and conductors I know and ask. When I was there we were still copying them and verifying the dispatcher put the correct information when it came through PTC before accepting.
The biggest problem we had was making sure you’re entire train was in your limits.
For example, if you had a train that was 2 miles and you were at mile post 5. You copied a new track authority proceed from mile post 4 to milepost 40. The end your train is still at mile post 3 cause your train is 2 miles long. This means you’re outside your limits and this caused a few guys i worked with to get enforced as soon as they accepted the authority.
Idk if this is still a thing but I think it’s a good practice to ensure to cover you’re entire train plus and extra few behind your train to know your covered.
What I did was when the dispatcher called for our train and ask for our location I would say we were 5 miles behind where we actually were. If we were at mile post 10 I would tell the dispatcher we were at mile post 5. So the authorization would be proceed from milepost 5 to milepost 40. This ensure my 2-3 mile long train is within those limits and when we accepted it we would not be enforced.
@@Railroad_Talk ok makes more sense now I appreciate that. Your awesome!!!
@@Railroad_Talk also to mention I’ve heard a dispatcher ask what’s your engine number he’d get the number then ask for the length so he’d get that then ask what’s your location over. The crew would respond 545 A. Then I’d hear “alright comin to ya” (TA being sent). Then about 15 minutes later the signal facing East at Collierville would drop red so I knew the train was coming.
@@RailfanKamryn1172 sounds like those Memphis guys aren’t copying anything anymore if that’s what you herd. Wouldn’t surprise me and they push for more automation. Sounds like the dispatchers learned to cover the rear
@@Railroad_Talk makes sense now I’ve heard variations between both but the one I explained to you is what I’ve heard most often and it confused me pretty bad
How to get ready for an interview and what kind of questions are they asking?
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Hi guys... train hopper here... not a worker but I've ridden a lot of freight... pretty much every type of car... near the front, middle, and even tail end cars.
My general rule of thumb is to assume the hogger is unconcerned with slack control and/or equipment might be faulty.
Sometimes the train I'm on stops to make lifts and/or set offs... I usually have a radio and if I'm still on the part of the train that's going back and forth, I listen to them switch and assume they aren't too good with their counts... always ready to be slammed one way or the other.
I can't imagine how a new hire doesn't have it drilled into their heads to make sure they are securely mounted on the car.
Hmmmm
@@rc391995 ya ya.. are you morally disturbed?
Hey man gotta question here If you don’t mind answering.. If you’ve been through training with a class 1 railroad do you still have to undergo training with another of the same class even if your FRA certification hasn’t expired and you were let go?
I’m honestly not sure now, I know NS and CSX were going to send me back to school even though mine was still active also.
@@Railroad_Talk Ok No biggie was just wondering. Thanks for your input tho.
Can you become a conductor if you have no experience and just graduated high school
Yes
Yes. If it’s possible I’d start at a contracting company to gain experience then move up to a bigger railroad. That’s what I’m doing
I've got some videos with auto brake sounds ticking and pistons. Here's one in Hiram, Ga. 6:48 and 7:51 piston going in with some slack action.
th-cam.com/video/zUaS4-EUk_I/w-d-xo.html
Awesome thank you Lance
@@Railroad_Talk oh yeah you're welcome, anytime.
man i dont no if its me but bnsf train numbers they are strainge
i was looking up up bnsf train syllables they are weird
do you no bnsf train numbers
Just wish they took more time training the new guys everybody is getting rushed to get marked up. If you are new to railroading stop sleeping during training take advantage of the people trying to teach you how to do the job take notes ask questions at least try to learn the basics before you get marked up
so riding a shove you would not use ear protection, also how crucial is ear protection i would rather be able to hear whats around me instead of blocking my hearing, dangerous rule .
I never wore it, they do tell you to wear it while riding outside of the cab of the engine. If you’re riding a shove or working a local unless things have changed it’s not required.