I Am DONE Being Nice - 2 Man Crews
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 14 ต.ค. 2024
- 2 Person crews for the railroad has been PROVEN to save lives yet you still have puppets out here spewing ignorance as if they know what they're talking about. Today New York signed a 2 man crew law for their state. That makes 11!
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“Paying people to sit and do nothing”.
Ah yes, who else is gonna fill out the paperwork, keep it in order, make sure all the waybills are correct, watch the train by to ensure car placements and order are correct and match paperwork?
Who else is going to check tonnage vs engine groups, coordinate moves, spot customers, tie brakes, do stability tests, do brake tests, walk the train, and keep the hogger awake?
Engineer already has enough on their plate. Trust me.
On most of these bigger wide cab engines, you got 3 different screens to monitor (PTC and IFDs), have to monitor air, throttle modulation, and dynamic brakes where needed.
It could be argued that if you’re using Trip Optimizer or Energy Management that the train will “run itself”, but GETO and EM wont put air down. Hogger has to monitor the train even when not running manual.
If she starts to get too quick, ya gotta put air down. You only get a 3 mph buffer before you get enforced and it takes time for the air to set up.
On top of that, just like the conductor, engineers gotta know their turf and know it well, so situational awareness is key.
Knowing the speeds, grades, mileposts, and curves are important.
A lot of people just rely on PTC for their territory info. It can be a helpful tool, but you still need to have awareness and know your turf.
On my turf, we have a certain zone that has gotten dozens of people enforced because there are two speed reductions within a mile of each other coming Eastbound.
First one is a reduction to 50. Then right behind it is a reduction to 35 for a curve.
Guess what…. PTC only shows the next target speed. So it says that the next reduction is 50. However, right after you pass it, you see “Next Target: 35 in 0.2 mi”.
Mind you, this is on a downward grade.
So unless you’re Jesus or only have a hold of 10 empties, you ain’t losing 15 mph in a quarter mile on that grade.
No way Jose.
You can definitely tell who has been out here and who hasn’t.
Those who have no idea are the first to open their mouths even though they wouldn’t know their toes from their fingers out here.
This is a demanding industry.
Putting anymore load on the hoggers will lead to a sharp spike in incidents and injuries.
I promise you.
Everybody thinks the hogger had the easiest job.
On a good day, he does, but there is A LOT of responsibility.
These people running their mouths can’t handle a $20,000 3,000 lb car, yet they want to talk about how someone handles a multi-million dollar 30,000,000 lb train.
It’s both pathetic and comical.
See what I mean ?
Real talk.
I'm amazed the bearing made it that far. Usually once one of them starts to go they're already past the point of no return and give out pretty quick. Past 3 scanners is a hell of a ways.
I don't know what all they did to the detectors, but they changed the heat stick from 300 to 170 degrees. They also gave us infrared thermometers.
One day UP 844 came to Houston. At the Amtrak Sta, UP brought up thier portable loco simulator truck. I got in the right seat. They port me on the Portland Sub in Oregon. One 10 car train with a SD70MAC for power. In Operation Lifesaver, they teach a train takes a mile to stop. Well, the sim taught me it takes a while for a train to speed up and stop. When they told me to stop train, I started to put the brakes on. Well I knda panicked. This puppy was not slowing down very fast.....
Got to respect the head end crew a lot better after that
And thinking of the simulation, one person crews make no sense. For complete situational awareness, you need two people.
Heck, I worked for the RR in the mid 90's and crew size was an issue then. I'm also a stockholder, albeit a small one, but to think one-man crews are smart is just plain STUPID. Wouldn't it be nice to take those people who think like that and make them work the board for about a week or two. I bet most of them wouldn't last three days. That kind of dumb talk just makes me irate; I applaud you for being able to keep so calm.
One man crew is just asking for it.I gonna be up front with you and every here.I am not a railroad worker.Although I wanted to be one.Until I started talking to the crews.In my neck of the woods it's CSX.Then is most of your knowledge rail workers are now retiring.And the fact the railroad has cut a lot of jobs.In fact to many jobs.They have shut down railyards cut back of their maintenance departments.And the rail yards shut down only to turn around and Opps.Maybe we should have left that opened.I am against 1man crew.Thats way to much to put on 1 man.Being that you now have trains over 2 miles long.No 2 or 3man crews are o.k.
We need to reduce train lewngths, increase the crews back to 4 and bring back cabeeses as well as hire more personnel to reduce stress, fatigue and susceptibility to accidnets.
Airplanes require captian and first officer!
We need 2 man crews. One man crews is disastrous.
Anyone who would propose a one person train crew should be fired! The citizens have no clue what rail road crews deal with as far as work schedules, working many days in a row and the garbage they deal with from the companies they work for. RAIL CREWS YOU HAVE MY TOTAL RESPECT!
One person crews would result in the more derailments.
Relying on ptc for a train thats got tons of hazmat cars is ridiculous and a safety hazard to every person that lives anywhere remotely close to tracks. Also in most subdivisions how long would it take for a conductor to drive to a broken train? At least 2-3 hours in the winter in my subdivision maybe more.
100% “in the middle of nowhere” doesn’t even begin to describe how remote most subs are 😂
2men crews ain't going nowhere one man crews ain't happening be to dangerous
I work with CSX IN the south. Can you please do a video on what did the unions do to make the states require 2 man trains, if anything. What can we do down here to make it go nationwide
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It never ceases to amaze me how they always want to blame the crew. Never the executives that are making the decisions to cut jobs and sacrifice safety for profit. No, no, no, it's the crews fault.
I absolutely agree with 2 person crews! First off, an engineer should remain in his seat the WHOLE time to prevent some idiot from jumping in the engine and taking off with it. In addition, the conductor is responsible for (Taking to dispatch, calling signals, verifying defects on the DD, working industries on foot, counting cars back so the engineer doesn't crash into the industry, etc.)
This goes to show that we need 2 person crews, whoever commented on your video saying that the conductor does nothing, needs to fix themselves immediately and realize that the conductor is vital and they aren't always "High School Drop-out" I know a bunch of train crews who went on to get Associates, Bachelors, etc.
That crap comes from an engineer with an over inflated ego and carries a chip on his shoulder and has become enamored with himself . be thinks he's your boss
I glad two man crews ain't going nowhere
The moment i see it become a law for 2 man crews it will make me do a backflip in excitement 😂
Me to
2men crews are where to stay I'm glab the bill passed
Where is my backflip 😂😂😂
Someone mentioned the overheated axel. wow, basically a hot wheel caused the NS train to derail; seeing if we're on the same page?
Bearing got to hot caught on fire and the hopper car had little beads of plastic inside of it that caught on fire. I’ll have a video breaking down the trucks on a railcar very soon. Cool to see how railcars are built.
FRA need to enforce the rule for two person crew into law
Thank you for making this video and thank you for calling out the dumb bastards that say just needs to be a one crew you can't do railroading with just one it takes two and that's the truth and I hope the fra enforces this rule to make it to where it will always be too man crew my uncle worked for CSX as a conductor and he told me you got to do it together there's no such thing as one because we're loading it takes two and keep making these videos and don't let nobody stop you and stay strong my brother from another mother
I haven’t started class for the railroad yet but I love this channel. People say oh this a dangerous job well I almost died twice at FCA due to negligence. Seen dangerous warehouse accidents like 30 foot racks falling in front of me and having to run. FCA had some of the most corrupt people I’ve seen to date. All the while putting money in their pockets and making the environment less safe when COVID hit. They had people doing two jobs because people with seniority were on leave for 6 months. These companies can be down right nuts not thinking about the safety of employees and others around.
I had similar situations befall me before I retired from the RR I found myself being chased by an airborne coal hopper flopping end over end towards me . talk about running for ones life . I also witnessed during the same accident the rail arise up in the air like a giant king cobra snake and then strike at my feet . This was only parts of the things I observed during my very first tour of duty for the RR. This was the results of a 48 mph head on collision with the yard engine that night . I can go on and on with this about 38 years worth where I faced death . The best I can offer you if your not a track star and fast on your feet you best prepare to be. Running like a bat out of hell would serve you well if you are working the ground in train and engine service. The training they are giving all is inadequate especially for the engineers that have not a clue how to handle 2 mile of train and bring it back to a coupling over the worst of terrain . every time before you make a move you look the situation over you are faced with and you plan yourself two escape routes before you call your engineer back to a coupling because somewhere in you carrier your engineer is going to have you running for your life and sometimes the escape route gets very slim I doubt you've had 40 ton pieces of metal chasing you around much you'll see what real danger is if you have a long carrier with the RR you'll likely see people maimed for life or crushed to death with their training program as it is now. Personally I felt safer when the drunks ran the place as opposed to all the college kids they have running the place now.
Letsgo-ch8yr Forgive me for asking but what is FCA?
@@matthewharris2092 Chrysler i was a frame loader at warren truck they built classic dodge ram trucks very dangerous job. so dangerous that even the supervisors don’t t follow safety rules I have seen one almost lose his head for not paying attention.
Great video. It’s good to know.
I'm glad the conductor and two men crews aint going anywhere I'm glad the it passed railroads ain't autonomous couplers
can you go over how to read board lineups im a railfan that plans to work on the railroad after i graduate i got to do a internship with UP last summer and it was quite fun and i know they sugar coated it but i see myself there
Wait till you go to UP Nazis school of management, that's where you learn how to be the corporate stooge.. sign up to start your railroad career as a conductor and then you'll have a different outlook on the division between skilled union certified and licensed professional and off the street, management.
Thanks!
Thank you for the support brother!
What division you in with NS? I was in NONE before I left. Now I got a job building intermodal trains through a short line. We build the train CSX runs them on their track. All the same benefits none of the headache.
I was in the Alabama division but I am not sure what they call it now.
@@Railroad_Talk I remember we got trains from the AGS out of Alabama. We ran Mississippi to Louisiana.
@@TrainCrasher yeah I started on the Memphis East and West and transferred to the AGS. I use to love going to meridian
I had my medical exam for csx today. I did good on everything but the color vision part. Do you think I can still get the job
Problem are the private equity firms, hedge funds, and other investors who worship at the altar of the all mighty dollar, their god.
Brother do I know what you mean when people who know nothing about your job try to tell you how to do it. I drive heavy highway plow trucks in upstate NY and people complain all the time and try to tell us how to do our job. I say we still need another warm body come on and show us how it’s done! I’ll take notes!
I was always amazed at just how much the drivers for PTI learned about RR dispatching only after driving for PTI only 2 months.
It's not about people's lives it's all about profits
Im in the process for hireing out of Gainesville ga but i want road freights the yard is small had about 4 local trains has guys who work them trains they even pull crews out from Atlanta to work the yard in Gainesville basically what i am asking is can i change my location to Atlanta i done did my physical in everything
You can ask to transfer however they don’t have to approve it. But there is only one way to find out. Let them know why you want to transfer and see what the terminal superintendent says.
We are still suffering the aftermath of PSR! During that S-t show they got rid of so many Carman they had a guy out doing air test in the departure yard who had only been in the rip track shop for 25years!! Very nice guy but…Coming into receiving yard there was always a guy changing brake shoes and the center of the receiving tracks showed that old brake shoes everywhere. When they we’re changing brake shoes inspecting draw bars they could get a much closer look at the car, but that was not fast enough or cost effective for greedy shareholders. So guess what everything goes to Sh-t and communities get destroyed!
The shareholders put the unsuspecting public at huge risk while we pass through there backyards…literally!
crew size has been an issue since literally forever... there were always a lot of crewmembers on trains because of the lack of automation... before automation, humans had to physically apply brakes to stop the trains (Westinghouse automatic air brake replaced that particular brakeman duty)... they had to go flag under old RULE 99 (ABS signals replaced the head and rear end flagmen)... they needed the extra brakemen and the fireman to pass car count signals (the radio helped get rid of the extra brakemen and the last of the firemen)... the transition from steam to diesel was the *FIRST* nail in the firemans coffin... the rear brakeman lost his job to the automated F.R.E.D, (the caboose was also lost)... even today they have automatic uncouplers on engines that are used during pusher operations, a duty that *WAS* performed by the condr... so yea the RR have always been looking to cut workers any chance they can
Autonomous couplers ain't going to work conductor aint going nowhere
instead of cutting crews railroads need to increase the number of trackside detectors
mandate every power unit have track inspection tech built into the unit (will prevent what happened in MT with amtrak)
and also increase the training on how to not mishandle these 2 mile long car strings
id say if they refuse to incorporate better change the FRA puts in take away the ability to haul any tank cars any center beams
and any train over 4500 feet
sadly this wont happen cause the people who run the FRA are invested into the railroads stock themselfs
can someone explain to me what the conductor does what the driver can't do? if a system detecs and alerts teh crew, the driver can pull the brakes, right?
Mr Joey correct me if im wrong but from my basic understanding of physics the axle was heating up too fast because it was loaded and the added stress of braking accelerated the heating of the axle? Is that how it melted so fast? I know the DD caught it im not trying to make anyone mad
Oh no you will never make me mad buddy. That was aimed at people coming onto this channel and attacking my brothers and sister conductors saying all they do is sleep.. a lot of them do however whenever crap hits the fan they’re the first responders.
I’ll make a video on the derailment and explain how it happened. 👍🏼
@@Railroad_Talk and from an outsider looking in i was even upset about it. I’ll vouch for yall always because becoming a conductor has been my dream since a little boy
Hey i just wanted to reach out I have a question, I just rescently was extended a conditional offer for conductor in kansas city. I was wondering how you accept the offer? At UP there was a link to do it, I don't see that in the email. All it had me do was go back to my NS account and fill in my DOB, SS number and something else. Is that all I needed to do?
Yes that should be it. If you want to make sure you can always email HR.helpdesk@nscorp.com
@@Railroad_Talk thank you! Appreciate it, I'll go ahead and email them to make sure 👍
@Railroad_Talk one more question, does NS do borrow outs by chance? I heard kansas city ns has only yard jobs. I'd like the opportunity to do a barrow out for the money and experience but also because I want to work the road a little.
In training in atl for csx but ik station in NY so im glad this passed
I glad two
Have they ever worked Train and Engine service for a prolonged period?
I don’t believe the person that made the comment ever worked for the railroad lol. He was just spewing ignorance 🤣
Could you maybe explain talking past a red absolute signal to get back to your train?
Great suggestion and I can absolutely do this. It can be very nerve racking for new conductors for sure.
Sit and do nothing? Ill admit it sometimes is a lil sitting and doing nothing but when theres work to be done conductors almost (keyword being almost) do as much as engineers. Track authoritys, speed restrictions, industry work, wrapping handbrakes, mtr work which most engineers i work with just dont even bring in anymore not to mention emergency situations. We struck a tree a few weeks back on a downhill and it snagged under the engine. So instead of wiping out the detector a mile down the track we stopped, changed up the track authority and then got off the tree so we could remove it. Im glad they made a ruling because how is an engineer supposed to deal with something like that by himself?
Hey Man I saw an opening for Bnsf in Birmingham u take a look?
I’m sure the carrier has hours and hours of videos saved of conductors sleeping in the cab
So what?
Oh I’m sure, that’s a problem for a lot of conductors.
@@aliensojourner when they are sitting in front of congress explaining why they only need one person crews
@@7171-Ws6 or when they are sitting in front of congress explaining why the company should hire more people so a *TIRED* and *EXHAUSTED* condr can layoff and get some REST... that can definitely go both ways
@made-in-the80s there are plenty of conductors out there that give the good ones a bad name. I have seen it personally and to be completely honest I have done it before but in my defense I was super sick with the flu and my engineer told me to go to sleep that he would be alright. One of the worst trips I ever had lol.
In my honest opinion, I rather trust a human being than any type of equipment. Sure technology does great things but the greatest tool is having what's between the ears. And the one man crew thing, if shareholders are pissed about someone being on a train not doing anything, tell them to get on board and do the job themselves. Stop complaining and get shit done. Simple concept guys.
About to start running psr again.
Joey, save your mental health, and don’t flatter these trolls.
Oh I typically don’t give them the time of day but I have kept my mouth shut for about 2 years 🤣. I will pick and choose my moppings when I have the time lol.
Are they going to event automatic coupling and uncoupling, auto air hook and unhook?
good question... i do know that BNSF has been using an automatic uncoupling system on crawford hill in nebraska on their coal pushers... not sure how long they've been using it but it's been at least five years or more... that move was supposed to get rid of the condrs in pusher service
Autonomous couplers won't work conductor still has hook the air holes it ain't fully autonomous couplers
what does this mean for class 3 railroads fec is more a class 3 to me but they are the only railroad line in florida that runs most stuff csx does not do intermodal south of tampa
Joey,What in your view caused the derailment in East Palestine Ohio?
Couldn't believe that comment when I saw it. Some people these days.
More than likely someone just looking for a reaction and they got it 🤣.
Joey,Do I understand you? They want eliminate conductors
? Dude at wheeling & are Erie aiway,That won't happen brother. Big railroad companies actually make me sick
Can someone please explain to me how a one man crew is supposed to work? Does the engineer have to play the role of both the conductor and the engineer, filling out papers while at the same time driving the train? And not to mention the possibility of falling asleep on board without someone else to keep him awake. Its funny, cuz who can argue with someone like you who actually worked on these trains? I've heard multiple railroad employees talk about this and they all hate it. Of course most of the higher ups probably spent their whole life in an office, not once did they actually have to sit in one of these trains for 12 hours, that's who's telling you that a 100 car 30,000 ton train should be operated by one person who plays the roles of the conductor, engineer, and brakeman all at the same time
I know that was a rhetorical question lol but we have herd the carrier argument and it’s not very good lol. The engineer would basically be there to override trip optimizer and PTC if something was to go wrong. Which I’ll be honest Trip optimizer isn’t optimized at all.. and ptc has some serious bugs still with communication. The engineers would basically sit at watch a screen for track authorities and accept them be there to tone up MOC if something with the engine went wrong.
The problem is with collisions, derailments, health emergencies, and having 2 people on the head end to help with inspections and watching for problems on the tracks like trees, broken rails, switches, crossings etc.
I’m sure you have thought about all of this. This is just a reply to anyone who reads your comment and is genuinely curious as to why a one man crew will not work.
@@Railroad_Talk what does MOC stand for?
2 men crew are where to stay railroads ain't got autonomous couplers
Check out the UP reaction video I posted about the ground based conductor idea they have.. unfortunately it’s already being done by short line railroads.
200 degrees above local temp? 212 is boiling point of water,? That seems too high of a setting before the detector goes off.
And I think the train involved was too ANATHEMA long.
These temps have been changed and the train was 120ish cars and 19,000ish tons.. if I remember correctly lol.
Still waiting been 7 months is this usual?
man i guss psr is getting worse with that that will bring down the railroad truck drivers are getting laid off dont know why now the time we use trains to carry stuff well you will see customers bail if things get worse
th-cam.com/video/orXq2cio6hQ/w-d-xo.html one of the main causes of that derailment was one man train crews
get the bad people out and how do you do it will this hurt fec railway down in florida csx ns hand cars off in jax as you may no
I see you edited out pronouncing Kathy Hochul's name. It is pronounced - hoe - cull .
I never even attempted it lol.