Cold Ep 10: Charlie
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 16 ก.ย. 2024
- Josh and Susan Powell’s first child, Charlie, was a bright and curious boy.
Even at the young age of five, Charlie had a fascination with the natural world. He collected bugs, memorized facts about reptiles and dinosaurs.
Shortly after his mother Susan’s disappearance, Josh Powell moved the boys back to be near his family near outskirts of Puyallup, Washington.
It was here that this bright curious boy started to raise the eyebrows of teachers and YMCA staff after they started to spot what they say were signs that Charlie Powell was haunted by the loss of his mother.
Especially after he told a pair of YMCA counselors about the best way to kill a bear and why it was it was important to kill Mormons.
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No one protected Charlie NO ONE!
That was so true the children were never cared for properly a woman wants to stay in that life do it but owe it to kids for good and happy childhood at times she laughs about things that hateful was doing
Thoes kids were beautiful like all kids
Susan, her family, and the community loved and cared for him. The Powell men, not sure.
@@dawnegan3984 she had to work, they probably didn't have enough for child care.
susans parents tried their best. its amazing they have survived. respect.
Oh my god! He figured out she was planning to leave . That was why he killed her, in his head how dare she think she can leave me!!
It’s heartbreaking hearing of all the anguish these boys went through without their Mom only to then die at the hands of their Dad, Josh.
Brayden clinging to a female shows how much he missed his mother. That is heartbreaking and showing how delusional Steven was saying the boys didn’t miss their mother and how much of a monster he was
it is sad that these two little boys were murdered by their dad....the state cps failed these children horribly.
m dane they always do n take the ones that actually take care of their children away
They were so excited to see daddy that day. My heartaches knowing what they went through.🙏🏻🙏🏻
It wasn't CPS, it was the judge who ruled that Josh should have regular visitations. My heart breaks most for the woman whose job it was to transport and supervise the visit. She has suffered a great deal.
The Worker who took those Boys over to their Fathers' house must still suffer from tremendous guilt. I hope she's found peace because she deserves it. It wasn't her fault for what happened 😕
Sad to say I think Charlie would have grown up to be a weirdo like his dad. They psychologically damaged Charlie. I think he saw what his dad did to his mom.
Steve wrote in his journal the day after Susan disappeared that he thought Josh killed her. And if Josh could do that then he could kill himself & his boys. Steve called it from day 1 then refused to warn anyone. Cops slacked on this case. They had all this evidence including Susan's note at work saying if she disappeared to look at Josh. Poor Charlie was trying to tell the truth but Police wouldn't give him a chance. They should've talked with Charlie more than once. Omg police failed these kids & Susan so hard. Poor babies
They did speak with Charlie more than once. But it’s hard getting information out of small children because they’re so impressionable. They often try to please whomever they’re speaking with by telling them what they think they want to hear. And then mix it into what’s actually happened and you have what came out of Charlie’s mouth. He was only 4 when Susan was murdered.
yep they should have tailed josh from the moment he left the station for those 800 miles. and they should have arrested him so he would have freaked out in jail
They did not slack. They utilised every resource possible, including planes, helicopters, tracking devices, warrants, wires, numerous interviews of most people related to the case and more. I don't think you have a good grasp on how hard it is to convict a person without concrete evidence. You should think before criticising the people that sacrificed years of their life in attempt to solve this case and are probably still living with the grief this task has brought upon them to this day.
@@jessicapabstconrad Testimonials from children are very unreliable. This is why they are rarely leaned upon as evidence in court.
@@CaptainMarget I agree. They didn’t slack. They utilized every resource possible and took every step they could…LEGALLY. They were limited by the law, unfortunately.
The one that should’ve taken blame is Steve. Just like it was said above..he knew what happened and saw what was going to happen..and all he did was facilitate it. Those babies’ blood was on his hands.
At least the Powell bloodline is done.
@Stephen Sullivan… I concur! It’s tragic and heartbreaking but I get where you’re coming from 💜 RIP Susan, Charlie and B 💜💜💜💜
@@wenditrammell75 Yes. There was something very dark and demonic about these men. Sadly, even Charlie was demonstrating characteristics of a very dark mind.
There are two daughters however one of them is a very good person. She tried to help police solve the case.
Steve is the monster under the bed, a boy scout leader, your and the perfect neighbor.
I shudder to think how many other victims he created.
I really like Jennifer Powell. She speaks so eloquently and very carefully.
Ashley Honahan that’s a voiceover lol
Dana Davison my mistake
No, that's really Jennifer Powell (Graves). The oldest sister
Oh my God, Steve is such a CREEP...
I think the boys probably witness the mom getting buried and Josh just told them that it was a bear. He probably did hide the body with rocks and so on.
I agree, sadly they were witness to too much, and Josh let them be on the same area with their mother’s dead body with no regard with how it could affect their mental state of mind.
I think so too. Especially since Charlie said in his first interview that his mom stayed where the crystals are and that she was sleeping. To a child, her body probably looked like it was asleep and his dad was putting her to bed in a way, and then later as he learned about death, he would put the pieces together and reframe it as burying.
The ONLY thing I agree with Steve is how he at least avoided turning on the TV since their lives were already media frenzies. Otherwise he was an odd man and passed down his habits to his son Josh.
His bad habits and his bad genes 🧬
@@Jimmytimmy1111 Agree, and and I have a feeling that even Charlie, even was so innocent, might have potentially turn out to be just like the father - a killer :( if didn't get professional help....
Steve wrote in his journal that what if Josh killed Susan. And if he killed Susan then he could kill himself & their kids. Steve wud say Oh my son couldn't have killed her, knowing he knew so much information but refused to tell police. He could've saved these kids but he along with Michael & Elina protected Josh. Now they are all dead. Sadly, police failed them & the pervert predator grandma failed them. Cops even knew that Josh had Susan's cell phone & had taken the Sim card out of it. Cops knew Steve & Josh lied about Susan being in a relationship with Steve. Nobody did anything. Except Jennifer. She tried.
Then Josh would call it twice leaving fake voice mails. Steve, Michael & Elina knew all of this.
Steve couldn’t never do a good thing, not a single gesture or action was ever good. It was self serving and for selfish reasons
Thank you so much for this podcast - I am amazed and so appreciative of the work that had to have gone into this. I learned far more than I ever knew and I thought I knew just about everything on this case. So glad Stephanie Harlowe recommended this on her channel. Thank you again!!
"The kids are very happy. Do the kids miss their mother? I don't know."
This line just absolutely gobsmacked me...and this far into the case, I wouldn't have imagined ANYTHING could gobsmack me when it came to Steve's sick, bizarre behavior! But the utter lack of empathy or consideration for the reality of what these poor children must have been suffering is just mind-blowing.
I doubt very much that he knew when he said the above words that they were revealing *vastly* more about his own mental and emotional state than about those of his grandsons.
Dana Davison It really, truly is. Just remarkable...albeit NOT in a good way!
`Charlie kinda dropped some hints early on... He told the lady cop that his mum had "stayed" at the camp site with the "pretty crystals" and red berries ( presumably growing on bushes). He said there were lots of crystals at the Dinosaur camp site... and lots of flowers that were not pretty too??? ( What on earth would make flowers seem ugly to a 4 year old,??) When the cop said Crystals? (it seemed random) Charlie explained that crystals came from inside rocks. (thats important ) Repeatedly he said it was his secret and he wasn't to talk about it.. ...
Later (during a snack break) he ran outside and tried to kill a crow????? When asked why he said you had to put it in a hole and hit it with. yep...rocks ( would they smash open when you threw them ?).Then you cover it with earth and plant,,,guess what ..raspberry bushes. Then it would be perfect and people would leave it alone. ... Very weird unless you look back at what he said earlier about rocks and berries.. What had that poor little boy witnessed???.
What! Holy hell
Charlie was full of info the first interview and by the second he was nervous. The cops screwed this up so badly! So sad!! 😢
MomOnMission CamiFlauge yes I did notice the trauma underlying
@MomOnMission CamiFlauge I noticed that too, he stuttered and was very careful with his answers, very guarded and he trailed off into his own answers that wasn't really related to the question asked. That seems like the behaviour of a child that's seen something that someone thinks he shouldn't have. He talked about his own brain telling him to think things. He was two very different little boys in those interviews. Poor little man
@MomOnMission CamiFlauge The interviewer alone was enough to make anyone, especially a child, terribly uncomfortable. She was horribly incompetent.
We can only imagine just how long those kids were coached, lied to, preyed upon, gaslighted, filled with stories, etc. It goes on and on and on and on... I have a strong gut feeling that Josh would tell those kids all kinds of things at random, show them things at random, take them to influential memory places at random, and then recall them in times of trouble. So that if and when the kids were ever interviewed, they would just say all kinds of misinformation at random. Who knows what could have transpired. He could have used pictures, drawings, vocabulary, etc. Kind of like teaching a kid the ABCs. The ABCs of Deception that is. Those kids knew exactly what happened. I fully believe more details would have surfaced were they to survive and grow up. And Josh knew that. I don't think losing custody was his sole motivation. Rather a simple end to his horrible means. What a tragedy for Susan and those beautiful innocent children.....
Deformed Conscience Agree 100%! Horrible and tragic.
Oh my god josh and his father were absolutely sick,Susan was way to good for josh.and those beautiful boys,god knows what they saw and heard and then to be murdered by him.disgusting.in one interview Charlie said she was going crazy,what child would say that??that poor baby was as horribly coached and bullied by josh.i really hope Susan is found one day and laid with her boys.rip 👼s 💖🙏
@MomOnMission CamiFlauge , Yes. Josh attacked both boys with a hatchet during his visitation, pour gas in the house & blew it up with him & the boys in it.
@MomOnMission CamiFlauge I don't think she was killed that way. I think she was murdered in the house by being struck in the head with the impact driver which was never found. I think the boys were distracted so josh could do it. Then told them mom was sleeping wrapped her in the comforter and put her in the trunk. Got rip of her body somewhere along Simpson springs then went camping with the kids.
Once he got back from the police station after questioning. Took a cab, bought a new phone then called Michael to help him get rid of susan body and bury it or dump it somewhere else.
As far as the kids go. They had to miss their mother and knew something was wrong. Charlie was prob bullied and threatened to keep joshs secret. That doesn't mean Charlie can't reason things out and notice his mom is not there anymore. Steven with his own sick mind may believe that Charlie and Braden don't really miss their mom. They spent most of their time with her before she disappeared so they had to be missing her. Just because they can't express it due to fear doesn't mean they are not hurting. They just had to push it down in front of their father or the powells. Interesting that once custody was given to coxes, that the boys started to communicate knowing about their fathers crime. Slowly they were letting their feelings show about missing their mom and maybe in time they would have been able to fill in more details about their camping trip and what really happened. This new revelation terrified josh who wished that night to never be discussed. This would have been impossible the boys were witnesses, how much they saw is anyones guess but it was enough to be a lose end. The boys were a threat to josh and eventually josh silenced them too. He killed them along with himself when he learned he would be forced to take a psyvhosexual evaluation and lie detector test. This was the final blow and josh knew he couldn't get out of it. 😱😭💥🖤
Anyone at all is too good for josh or his f.in vile dad, EVER!!!!!🙄🙄🙄
This podcast is absolutely incredible. Phenomenal work...the level of effort and detail is beyond stellar! Great work.
Pure🤬Evil..Makes me physically🤮My thoughts and prayers are with those babies and their mom and family💔🙏❤
Mine to
What a monster
So, what's up with what Charlie said about killing a bear? To kill a bear, push it in a hole, throw rocks in it, then cover the hole and plant a raspberry bush. Do you think this was told to him by Josh so that, if he ever repeated it, people would assume that's where Susan is buried? To throw them off the true location? Or did he hear Josh and Michael talking about where Susan is? This episode is very disturbing.
I agree... the amount of horrible things those poor boys had to hear from all of the Powell family is so damn sad and sickening. Kids don't say the things Charlie did without hearing them from someone else. This episode was especially hard to hear.
Charlie also mentioned lots of red berries where mommy is with the flowers and where crystals grow
Sounds to me like Charlie seen his mom being killed. Something had him very disturbed. Poor little guy. Sick evil people to do what they did.
That's were she'll be
Police knew they should've spoken with Charlie more. I can NOT believe they never took him back for more interviews. They could've gotten so much evidence. That's why Josh hid him so much
I'm from Seattle originally but later lived in Puyallup. I have lived in Portland for the majority of my life. And the day that monster Josh murdered those babies I happened to be in town visiting. Very close to the home and it broke my heart. This is one of the saddest stories I've ever heard, and a little too close to home.
It is hard.
I live close to va tech.
The day of that multi killings on campus
I was taking care of my dying sister
That day I had to have her admitted to Roanoke Memorial Hospital
It's our trama hospital
I sat there with her
In e.r.
They kept calling out code blue
Bless it all another student had coded
The air was so heavy there
I swear you could feel the death
My sister pulled through that time.
Sadly many special young people didn't
Mercifully she never knew what was happening all around us. All I could do was go out catch more news and pray
So hard for them and their families
Ferrum va...
That little boy missed his mom so much that he tried so hard to figure out where she was he came up with all kinds of different sanareos. At the park with the crystals and flowers, at the north pole, in the desert, all little clips of adult conversations. So sad 😥. Also the interview should have had him draw pictures.
Poor kids. Heart breaks for what they endured. I hope Susan is with the boys in a better place.
Why did CPS let the children visit him!
Georgia Girl because CPS must allow parents access to their children until a court cuts the parental rights. That can take years to prove. Also if a parent is in prison when a child is born that child can NOT be adopted until the parent gets out of jail AND has time to prove they are a unfit parent. That can take a year or more.
Charlie also stated John knows where my mommy is!!!
Who is John?
Josh's youngest brother
@@Kimberly-rj2sc i thought Michael was the youngest brother of josh.
I wondered how many people would pick up on that this is Sheila Hunter I'm a former radio television newscaster for 20 years isn't this Man still alive John Powell? He knows where her body is obviously this was said on the tape when the creepy Steve song was playing that episode made me almost want to throw up
@@brucehunter8355 he committed suicide as well 😳
I'm so glad I've never kept journals!
You would think she would say something about her abuse and what’s going on. Give the cops some clue at least!
Summer W I totally agree
Summer W guessing she knew he wud read them or he threw it out ,probably knew he wud be Crucified
Summer W she did, anyone she could be safe with and tell them about the abuse , she did ! She left notes and clues and that’s why we know what we did , had she not known she and her boys would be harmed , she’d left already . Truth is , leaving would have sealed their fate even sooner . One day i hope there is more protection and help for covert abuse .
@@lilyr7221 She did. She kept those writings at work. Where Josh couldn't get to it. The police have all the writings, which is horrible they didn't arrest Josh.
This is just SO disgusting! I can’t imagine what Susan must have gone through!😔
So heartbreaking. I thought they were going to arrest him and hold him until he talked. I'm so sorry Susan. You deserved better
Jeselle Starks they arrested him or child pornography and he died in prison!
I wish they had arrested him until he talked or had enough evidence to charge him for her murder. Then the boys would still be alive. Poor babies didn't deserve what their monster dad done to them. Or their mother.
Summer W no joshs dad was in prison for child pornography where he died. John commuted suicide. Josh killed himself and his two boys.
@@ashleyshaw6199 Michael committed suicide he was the veteran.. they also found blood in michaels Taurus and think he may have killed someone by the amount of human blood in his trunk. Josh killed himself and the kids in Jan of 2012. His dad went to prison in for child porn he died in 2018 I believe. Alina, Jenny and David are still alive.
Josh's whole family was crazy!!! Except for Jennifer!
Except for Jennifer
@@juliessister5562 I agree!!! I just saw her interview
Micheal was ok
Just trying to keep his family straight even if it was wrong
Is he dead also
Jennifer was against them.
@@lindaarrington9397 I believe Michael is the one that committed suicide. What an end to the Powel men. God only knows what would of become of the young boys. Charlie was already showing signs of a very dark mind.
Ellis leans WAY too much on "not sufficient in court", do your job and let the prosecutor decide... scott peterson has just as little of evidence.. if not less.. Ellis had a job, no actual passion behind it.
I think Charlie saw what his dad did to his mom and the dad was afraid he would start telling others about it as he was growing he would be more conscious of what really happened.
I totally agree he did not Bank on those children and their memories of what happened although he styled himself that he could commit the perfect crime, no crime is ever perfect
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I feel like he killed the kids because he refuse to let anyone be free of him and be happy. CPS should of waited til he was allowed to see the kids and do a mental test and behavior to see his state of mind and if he was a danger to the kids. Four days later he’s allowed to murder them horrifically.
The guy was on suspension of killing their mother and them being witnesses to that. Couldn’t they have given those kids witness protection at the very least???
Charlie josh Powell are you still alive art you okayed I have to know okay asking allowed to see you I know you are working at Forecast Ned to Ned neything Steven thorell
@kenthorell dude Charlie Powell is dead, what are you going on about.
Whait....
This is the Charly?
This little boy, that says Mommy stay where the crystels are?
Oh Lord, now i know.
What’s to get? Like crystal meth?
I’m so confused. Where did he put susan
That's why he killed them. Poor Charlie was talking. ❤️❤️
Plus... the cops basically told Steve they were going to arrest Josh. Jennifer hinted this also when wired. The cops lost their cool with Steve
These people staulked her in her own home!!!
Josh had put a piece of clothing across the gap in the front seats. Told them he had caught a bear and not to look.
He chopped Susan up in the back of the van whilst those poor boys sat cold and scared in the front seat.
Whoah, I hadn't even thought about that. Great theory. Absolute possibility. I literally got goosebumps when I read your post.
@Laurel Kardison I couldn't agree with you more.
eh. he would never have been able to get rid of the mess in the car. possible removed hands & teeth? this is grim. awful story. if we survive 2020 lets stop listening to to whining men & feeling sorry for them - its time they help carry the load women are presently bogged down with. guys, LEAN IN.
Monster
@@lindaarrington9397 yes. An abomination.
this episode is so hard to listen to i am in tears hearing how disturbed Charlie sounded - a child of his age talking like that surely set alarm bells ringing?? I am astonished no one in authority was alerted to his behaviour.
⁰)pppppppplp
Even now a days the system is still broken, cps deters those who call in to help. I’ve seen a lot of abused kids left in abusive homes and nothing gets done. In the end you look like the bad guy and the police and cps just won’t act on reports from even strangers. No one cares.
In my state social services is called DHS(Department of Human Services)!!!!
Over the years I hav paid close attention to DHS n how they handle families!!! I had them called on me once bc my kids got dirty from playing outside( no joke this was their complaint)(my case was investigates n dropped). I have noticed that DHS pulls kids from their homes a lot of times for no reason or they leav a case open threading u the whole time making u walk on egg shells in fear of getting ur kids taking away if u slip up even a lil as most parents do!!! I hav also noticed how DHS ignores real complaints... they over look children who really need their help!!!! It’s like their so focused on messing w the good parents bc of some twisted power trip that they dnt hav enough time to look into cases that needs their immediate attention!!!! They r blinded by family acts, so they come out look at this perfect family n jus drop the case w/o fully investigating n in the end the kids end up dead bc our system failed them!!!! With Charlie n his lil brother the dad was a murder suspect clearly has problems, their paternal grandpa (bad) so immediately the kids should hav went to their maternal grandfather n only allowed to see their dad at police dept under close supervision or not seen him at all until 100% cleared!!!!! They say they want the kids to hav bonding w their parents during separation lik this but what about the child’s mental state? What about what the child wants? If the parents r the beat living good parents the kids regardless of their age will tell u I want mommy or daddy!!!! Ask them n listen to what they hav to say give children a voice to b heard!!!!!!!
Fantastic channel recommended by Stephanie Harlow. Awesome investigative reporting, such a horrific story.
Are these not the actions of someone who knows he’s guilty?
Absolutely 💯
What a bunch of psychopaths and degenerates and so so sad about those babies.
Please dont take this wrong, my heart GREIVES for the friends & family who love & miss them so terribly. With that said, Im comforted to know those babies are in the care of our Lord in Heaven. Now & for all eternity.
How many Children still dying get killed over 1000years? Your God is selfish you get killed and then go to heaven? ? But not be saved.
Not being tormented by scycos.
@@luisaluisa943 Louisa
You dont understand being saved
There's an age of accountability
An age when we all should know right and wrong
Good and evil
They were at an age that
They went straight to the Lords loving arms
Also God only knows what mental problems could of been passed down to these boys. Charlie was already exhibiting very dark thinking. This is tragedy all around but yes, it comforts me as well, to know that the boys are safe with God.
I don’t think she’s buried anywhere near that campsite . I think the brother took her and did something with her... sad she was in the trunk of the car and the boys knew
Cops didn’t do a great job, I pray the two little boys RIP with the angels 🌈🌈🌈
Thank you so much for your hard work
Seems i dug up a few more details online about josh. There was evidence he was cheating on susan. A woman contacted the police after he blew up his house. She said she had been seeing him several months... she was a hooker so josh paid her using susans money. If that's not a mark of hate I don't know what is.
Also he did have a gambling problem too.
Poor Charlie was trying to tell them but they wouldn't ever give him a chance to talk with a therapist more than once. Omg those poor babies. 😢
I've stayed away from this case so long because the life and death ofnthese kids, Charlie and braydon it's just too sad sick and disturbing.
The investigation was ridiculous
They should have arrested him
Instead they just talked and talked and made excuses
I’m shocked police and cps couldn’t be involved due to the troubling signs the children, especially Charlie was showing. The father was unashamedly loud and hot tempered and his behavior was so bad people didn’t want to associate with him. Couldn’t anyone had gotten involved to save these kids?
Is a good word for this guy - oblivious ?? That's the word that comes to mind.
It sounds like Susan Powell's remains have been found in an abandoned mine..... the bones and clothes have been sent away for DNA and analysis. Now we wait. I still hear Charlie's words " Mommy is where the crystals are..." 🙏🦋💜💙
As single mom of 3 of my own only way those children wouldn’t ask where’s mom or I want mom is if mommy was never in there life so I highly doubt they didn’t ask or miss their mom such crock of shit n he Killed himself because he couldn’t live with the guilt of killing his wife it was haunting him I mean it had to be
Or he couldnt get rid of the kids that would get him caught so he took all out
I dont think he had a soul
Didn't care about his wife only not getting caught
Utah police should have arrested that sick piece of work. The kids would be alive if they did.
So it's the Mormans fault. I cant even wrap my mind around this level of delusion.
Them two were creepy
I have become tired of the Mormon War, I want to know more about the things that LE is doing to find the body of Susan bless her 💜
What does this mean?
Josh ,Steve Michael all them should of put a search party and fliers he, they did nothing they were all involved. Josh was complaining about all those fliers .. josh didn’t care
Josh was consumed by jealousy over SUSANS BEAUTY. As life rolled on she got even more beautiful in his mind and so it followed that he needed to dominate the relationship. After all the 5 year age gap between her and him made this jealousy even more palpable and no way was he going to relent in any way shape and form. Towards the end, possibly 3 years before her death he mentally succumbed to the green eyed monster and knew he was going to terminate her life so he slowly but surely robbed their relationship of physicality and began a campaign to ruin Susans financial situation until penultimately ruin her living existence and ultimately terminate her life...and she saw the spirit of his intentions in the most salient way and rendered her situation as secure as she was able to. The end came like a thief in the night for her.
its insane how badly that psychopath brainwashed the kids. they must have been repeating repeating over and over day after day to get the kids that hopped up
I do not understand why declarative Alex did not give him laying decatator test while he had
The suspect on his custody. And
Also why didn't the investigation
Team follow him when he left the
Declarative office. Where he rented
Van. If they followed they would of
Caught him with proof. They lost
Their chance. What a nice lady
Susan was. So sad ending no
Closer for the family.
I find it really telling that Steve refers to Charlie and Braden as the grandkids not my grandkids this shows he sees them as property not children he loves. They are objects not people and steve thinks of them as something that belongs t o him as ownership. This family are uncaoable of love and compassion unlike the powells who show how they wanted to protect them and gave them love.
Did a google search...could the flowers Charlie refers to when he talks about his mom being with the flowers and crystals be refering to cave primrose? Being from Canada I am not familiar with these but seems like they are found in Utah and may bloom January/February....still digging into his reference to Dinosaur national park....(though I can find a dinosaur national monument). It would be so difficult to travel very far with the boys and Susan...
dinosaur national park wasnt where they went. Charlie got mixed up saying they went on an airplane there. the boys didn't know where they went. I'm shocked josh didn't leave them home alone while he took susan somewhere. he seems the type
This whole case regarding Susan Powell is so messed up in so many different ways..I know it’s very difficult to charge someone with murder without a body but Josh should have been charged some way, somehow. Josh lucked out there was no witness or legitimate amount of physical evidence to prosecute him…Anyway, I love this podcast called COLD. Hopefully there r more episodes on other cases!
Don't forget that mental illness gets passed down from generation to generation. Sure, those kids were young and innocent. But what about when they grew up. I am sure Steve and Josh were once viewed by others as "sweet little kids" too. And look what they grew up and turned into. The details in this episode about the children's behaviour at school is very disturbing. And proves that similar tendencies and corrupt mentalities were brewing from the very beginnings. Of course, in no way does that justify any of the things that happened to those children. It makes my brain hurt...
I thought the same. Charlie was already showing signs of a very dark and disturbed mind. Just sad overall but this Powell clan is done.
Glad i found this channel. Very informative. I hadn't heard about Charlie's strange and somewhat creepy behaviours and statements before listening to 'Cold'.
These gorgeous innocent children it seems were heading for a not so productive healthy adulthood before being slaughtered by the hands of their own father☹
We can take great comfort that Jesus brought these small children home to him.
Ok I’m done. I hate this knowing now he killed Charlie and his other children. These boys were murdered and the police had a responsibility to save them. God this is so wrong 😡😡😡
NOT OTHER
CHILDREN
THERE WERE ONLY CHARLIE AND BRAYDON
You are amazing Stephanie Harlowe sent me to your podcasts And I could not stop listening so thank you and you are so compassionate towards the victims.poor little Charley that baby was brainwashed by the crazy Powell family but what a bright child And such beautiful children it's so sad it had me in tears. I can't stand Alina Powell what a cold hearted POS she enabled her phycho family in one Documentary she said about the kids Steve was filming in there own bathroom...if your making yourself seen and no harm was done then she implied there was no harm done to the victims of the voyerism like it was perfectly normal.The only good one was Jennifer Greaves. I will never know what Susan saw in that goofy looking weed she was gorgeous the whole thing is so bizzare.
Classic empathy and narcissist complex..so many cases end up like this.
The narcissist is very good at acting out the perfect Person. That's as far as it goes, tho. There is no empathy behind any of their act. In the end that lack is stareing everyone in the face.
I agree with everything you said, except that I also do still have some sadness when it comes to Alina. I think that her mind and perceptions were so irreparably twisted by her sick upbringing that she likely didn't even have the ability to think for herself in any sort of mature, rational, responsible way. Not that I'm justifying or excusing her actions, just to be clear...but all the same, I definitely find myself feeling pity for her. Who knows what sort of person she could've been, had she not been subjected to a lifetime of abusive, perverted brainwashing?
What a disturbing story, I still can't get over how he attracted a woman to marry and have children with him
Heartbreaking
I guarantee you that woman is dead he freaking bury her somewhere that National Park whatever Park they went to that that little boy said they all went together with that woman's dead she's buried somewhere
Steve is so delusional. Wow!
I can't stress this enough- Josh is just so incredibly gae!
It’s the same as lorie and chad bay bell. Sick ppl. Evil 😈
I just don't understand this man's motivations. I don't think I ever will. Did he think she was leaving him? Did he want the money? Did he just need control over eveything? Maybe all of the above. Sick sick sick
Money
it was for the life insurance
I find this appalling...disrespectful! This tiny little soul being exploited ...his interview should and must be kept private!
During his life yes
I 100% agree!! He was FAR FAR to young to give consent. Also, the interview woman was shockingly incompetent
All that stuff Charlie that's his father and grandad talking
But he was murdered.
No, its evidence in his family's murder.
The third person typed posts were so weird. No where near normal.
Why didn't anyone call Dys on Josh or police FBI needed to be involved.
Both Josh and his father is
Lunatic. Poor suzan what a sick
People she was involved with. She
Was stuck in such a abusive relationship couldn't save herself
Or her two boys. Some people
Luck.
I just wonder where Josh all traveled to that night
BIG D SPARKS REELED ME INTO THIS RABBIT HOLE AND GOT ME REAL DEEP DAWG LIKE UP TO THE NUTS DEEP IF YA KNOW WHAT I MEAN
These people are so evil look at the DAYBELL case Lori and chad omg murders
Susan failed those kids staying around Josh for so long.
They wouldn't dare, poor little mites. They've been told not to talk about his mummy. Snowstorm, crystals are icicles dahhh! How these children were let down by the very ones who could have helped them. Shame on you all!!!
Wow tragic
So that's a no then !!!!!
_To be honest when I saw the police interviews with Charlie the first thing that came into my mind was, that Charlie doesn't seem to care that his mother is missing for more than a week. Like he didn't miss her at all. That was really strange._
Your comment is really strange lmao
He was afraid to talk, someone must have told him don't talk about mommy, it's a secret, if u do it will be bad for you, that was a threat that they would be harmed if he spoke.
He’s literally 5, you moron.
I'm 13 minutes in and there's nothing about Charlie.
Charle Joshua powell there’s no such thing as muster there’s nothing to be a fide of ney thing you are okay you thought you saw in Steven house that I xenon fixtures and planned Tarim I ever need replacement I just need you Steven Thorell
What
Sick to hear that cop say the word commendable to describe Steve.
Opps daybell.
People's imaginations running wild here... the mom seemed really mean to the kid on one video. Don't let your egos override your judgement. The boy said the world is crazy in one interview. He repeatedly said that his mom went to the northpole. If you are open minded you might know what the kid was talking about. It would be interesting to know if they were vegetarian or interested in vegetarianism. The one video I saw of Susan, she seems very rude and mean to her kid.The video of the father... the way the father spoke to the kid was Waaayyyy Nicer! I suspect she ran away and left the father because he was so open minded that she couldn't understand him, she couldn't understand why he didnt like to use Facebook so much... why he had bought all the things he had. They don't understand the situation because they don't know the deep state... The way I saw the police treat the little kid in the interviews... were so cold. I don't trust it. They don't have any proof that she was murdered... do they? All dumb. I could see on the video the kid was scared of his mom. People should de~brainwash themselves.
lol
@@JMD621 I mean the kid kept saying he is hungry to the police lady, she even went out of the interview outside the room and came back. She didn't respond to him saying anything about being hungry... the mom in one video did something similar and told the kid to keep quiet or go to his room instead of attending to his needs. Then after that the kid kept hiding behind the door from his mom.. obviously the father wasn't there or else she would mot be able to film all his things infront of him if she was scared of the father, so that means the kid was hiding behind the door from his mother.
In comparison to the videos where the kid is with his father the kid was relaxed and happy and open to talking to his father.
@@JMD621 In that interview where the police lady went out the kid stood up walking to the electric wires and repeated words to himself as to where the plugs go and such, kids don't come up with that themselves, obviously the father was the tech guru and he was storing if I remember correctly food and the mother just seemed to complain about him not wanting Facebook... and she didn't understand why he was storing more food and such... can't people have their own opinions about Facebook anymore? So who do you think taught the kid about electrical wires, the mother or the father? The things he repeated when he talked to himself in the interview while the police lady was gone was more probably what his dad who was interested in computers and wiring had taught him. I doubt that it wouod be his mother who taught him that because of the way she was talking about the dad's computers and tech wiring where she kept saying she doesn't know what it all is (refering to the dad's tech) and what it is for.
Charley certainly displayed psychopathic signs at times. I’m wondering if he didn’t kill Susan.
Or witnessed her murder by his father, and his behaviour was mimicing that event.
He was 4 years old.
Are you paying attention, lol. He was a little ass kid. Like 4.
Merita King you fucking idiot.