Your research is impeccable! So detailed and complete. Really enjoying this series. I’ve watched/listened to so much on this sad sad case, but feel like I knew nothing before your podcast. Thank you for all your hard work!!
How do you have no comments and only 100 some views. This is the most detailed podcast on this case out there.... Thank you for the upload! Binge listening and cant get enough!
I'm just discovering this... This is outstanding work!! Such a terribly sad, tragic case. However, your devotion & attention to detail has unequivocally made this podcast the best coverage of this story. Great job! I am glad I found this.
wow you have to admire the lengths the authorities went to in their search for Susan - all those parties involved were so thorough and the dogs' work tracking scent must have been exhausting..I applaud those efforts to find something significant..amazing work!
Terry from Christchurch New Zealand, it must be agknoliged the personal efforts of the volunteers who put in such passion and steadfast work into trying to get Susan home to her loved ones too give some closeure. I could not imagine the frustration and helplessness one would feel with a missing loved one. Your contribution is priceless and worthy of valour. Thanks for being amazing human beings.
He could have put her in more then one place especially when I believe his brother and father helped him. I think Susan was moved at least once if not more then once.
SMART Cookie I also think that seems to be a very likely possibility...especially based on the cadaver dog hits on Michael Powell's car in the junkyard.
I think she was more than likely moved at least once...I think one of the times she was moved was when Josh got that rental car and Did God knows what for 800 total miles.
I feel he was telling us to look at the water near her work. It could have been defended as she was hit riding her bike. It would be interesting to have cadaver dogs around the area but I don’t know how long dogs can smell cadavers for
It would be easy, even for a weak & lazy man, to dump a body down a vertical mine shaft, then use an impact tool to loosen surface dirt around the collar to bury it at the bottom. I hope that D Sparks crew will find her remains, as they're now searching. It's incredible how many cold cases of missing people are now being solved by amateur groups like Adventures With A Purpose.
I think that Josh has destroyed and incinerated her body. 3 weeks before the murder he deliberately bought a tool that could incinerate and cut through steel.
IF you follow the complete podcasts , there is an old quarry near was towards Wendover , well at Clive on the road going to Nevada. It is known that Josh visited that site in his van when it was radio tagged, as per podcasts. It seems likely a body was dumped there in the cold and snow and then later picked up by Josh in the rental car he got from the airport after is police interview (they had not released his van at this time). Josh then perhaps visits this site and he's very anxious and he puts the body in a plastic bag and drives it somewhere about 400 m or 640 km from Utah airport - that 's the complete trip including the quarry diversion. His cell phone was either off or destroyed at this time. My guess is he got somewhere near Boise Idaho (Idaho has no death penalty and if the body is found - try proving that the murder did not occur in Idaho). He may have met up with Michael. There were no forensics for the Hertz rental as it had already been cleaned for hiring and in fact had done a second hiring by the time police caught up with it. JP went to a lot of trouble to set up red herrings re Ely and that area via internet searches; it seems highly likely therefore that no body , clothing or anything else will be found in that direction.
@@F_Tim1961 he could of done anything to dispose of her body the second time. And I firmly believe he moved the body, and I hope they at least checked the geo area just in case. I really wish they would find her body but if they ever did her body would be so badly decomposed and deteriorated there would be no way to find how how she died. What’s worse is he could of used the torch device to completely destroy most of her remains. The smaller the remains the harder to find the body. Josh was crazy, he refused to even let her body go. If only they had arrested him and had him do a bargain to let them find the body and wouldn’t charge him with the death penalty
This is the short version - keybd trouble stole the longer one so I did this on a copy of Notepad. Burning body in garage with Oxy torch. Not posssible It would smell horrible in am. Investigating police would pick up on it. Dave Cawley did some experiments on a Ytube episode. Outcome. It was likely a battery driven impact Driver that was found all burned up in the bag under the truck seat. Samarium from a magnet was found Two copper wires were found. This is consistent with the driver Cawley bought in a hardware store and burned up with a similar torch on video. The implication is that JP used it to kill Susan in some way and he wanted it to disappear completely. I'd guess she was laid low by muscle relaxant at the time - the prescription material he had. JP seems to have taken the rental car (at a guess) out to the quarry site and the as far north as Boise Idaho. He replaced his mobile phone in SL city on the way back - right at the end of the trip. Police presumably never found cell tower data for the old phone . Did Michael meet him in Idaho - no way to say. Idaho is on the route to Seattle - it would all make sense. If I had to hazard a guess I'd say that the body might have been shackeled in snow chains and dropped into a lake within walking distance of a road. it was cold at that time of year. It would make sense - the ground was hard and Josh might have thought buying a shovel or a mattock would have drawn attention to himself (cash purchase would be less of an issue ). Why would Micheal have a perfectly good Taurus crushed if there was really nothing much wrong with it ? I think the gearbox issue was just phony. The tow was to prove that the car could not be driven. The superficial answer is that there was DNA in it that should not have been. But then the police investigation of the recovered car showed nothing. Michael may simply not have trusted Josh and wanted the car destroyed in case JP tried to frame him. Josh could easily retain some clean up rag and smear the boot/ trunk with it in order to have a fall guy to take with him - or to keep MP shut up. MP was willing to pay a lot of money to a Satellite imaging company to see if that car was gone- crushed or still a liability to him. Another option is that MP removed using his car, cleaning material that Josh had used and then had hidden in the house or garage or perhaps in the snow out back . He might have been concerned they were not bagged securely or there was DnA on the outside of the bag. All guesses on my part. Why did MP kill himself ? The fake army officer working for the SL police suggested his project funding might be pulled according to Dave Cawley. MP might have assumed they were closing in on his involvement or he might have seen some nasty stuff along with Josh and it was giving him nightmares. Or it may be that the police sniffing around told him this case was going to follow him forever and he snapped. Two suicides, Three murders two of children, no court case. Steve Powell going to court for other matters. It's horrible stuff. Josh would never do a deal as you suggest. He knew that police had to look through thousands of square km of land to find something. He had all the cards as long as he stayed quiet about the body.
The lack of subs is truly shocking to me. It seems people want their "bitesize" true crime stories. Honestly, Ive been on some podcasts who put in similar work and people are actually COMPLAINING that its too long and the detail boring. I think it is a certain type of person who, like me, might have been a detective or forensic psychologist if life had been a bit different. To me, the opportunity to learn about human behaviour in these cases is what keeps me interested. I'm not into gore or shock, I just want to learn about why these people do what they do, and how they behave during and afterwards.
Happy to have found your channel! It was recommended for me and I think you are outstanding in your investigations. Will spread the word because I’m not the only one interested in cold cases.
Did they search in the same type of weather as the time she went missing? AND taking into consideration, the time, the kids, and the motivation of Josh? I would think that would seriously cut the types of places she could be. Also, toss a similar size of item (no disrespect intended to Susan at all), that Susan was, into the mines to see if that item would have been dropped in that particular area? Poor Susan and those babies!! This case haunts me. P.S This is an awesome channel! Cheers! I will share.
Police can and have used dummies weighing the same weight or very close to their weight as a way to see if a victim was killed like the person of interest had said.
I wonder if the boys were talking about the geo bed area of when she disappeared because one if them said "she stayed with the flowers and crystals" - which in this video sounds like a location that matches that with the Crystals. Maybe there's a chance we could still find a lead there.
Yeah that's the theory. But they've searched the area several times. The problem is 1) the boys could be merging 2 separate events or locations in their mind due to trauma and being so young, and 2) all the possible areas where he could've put the body are extremely difficult to search. Some parts of these areas, like many mine shafts, are effectively impossible to search.
He would have put her somewhere in the first few hours to avoid the kids seeing as much as possible. He didn't put her in a mine in my opinion because of the car scrapped in pendleton. She was moved in that car. Was she actually in a storage unit?
"Who sits there and thinks about where to hide a body?" Hmmmmm. Oh, I don't know, how about the Millions of True Crime fans, Law Enforcement Officers, Concerned People, Families of Victims, Copycats, Sickos, in other words = Everybody! What a pointless thing to say there. And her laugh too! Gross
Right! I think everybody has talked about it or at least joked about it lol. A book or a movie could trigger a conversation like that too. And for the record: dig a hole 12 feet deep and put the body in the hole. Cover the body with six feet of dirt, place a dead dog on top of that, and then cover the dog with six more feet of dirt. Voila!
Jaclyn Lessard Right?! I live in an area with a whole lot of extremely harsh, undeveloped, uninhabited desert wilderness, and many of the smaller, less well-traveled roads can be *extremely* rough...especially during certain times of the year. The idea of attempting some of these with an aging minivan is both ridiculously laughable and incredibly dangerous! The fact that Josh was such an ignorant, arrogant know-it-all that he actually risked this with his wife and very young kids in the car only reinforces to me that he was truly a dangerously foolish and callous person. (FWIW, learning about the Death Valley German incident made me even *more* paranoid than I already was about the possibility of getting stranded in the remote desert! And it's not just me; my whole family started keeping supplies of water and basic survival gear in the trunk.)
Hmm, as for 17:00 - the video with audio of the child’s interview is on TH-cam . Strange that it was impossible to get that earlier. Was the podcaster ever able to interview Jennifer on what the kids said once they got home?
I think josh threw them off. Saying the sheep in the West dessert because he had been there with Susan. And knew they were there. I believe the boys were more spot in. And she is not to the west. But the east.
I agree, Charley saying flowers and crystals seemed to be linked more to the trip in March not during the winter. Josh kept giving out hints about where he would take a body. (He did take the torch so he could have put her in a place he had to cut open. Maybe an old cemetery tomb) I thought Charley was talking about a cave of some kind. I also don't think Josh was that smart, had some mental issues but I do believe he gave clues. The searchers should be given a lot of praise for all the work they did to find Susan.
Do you know if that's what Josh's job was at the time of the murder? I'm a little unclear on what he did for a living after the Manager positions he and his wife both participated in.
Okay, just a thought on Steve’s comment on “Rattlesnake Rock”... one of the most popular hinging destinations in the Seattle metro area is a hike called “Rattlesnake Ledge”. It’s no farther than an hour from South Hill where the Powell’s and Cox’s were based. It’s very popular yet still in a very isolated part of the Cascade Mountain Range - if this is what Steve was referring to, this raised a a LOT of questions.
Kar Robins It makes me wonder, if Michael was in Puyallup at the time of Susan’s disappearance, maybe during the 18 hours Josh went missing after renting a car from SLC International Airport, maybe they moved Susan to THAT mountain or at least somewhere in the wilderness in Washington State. Somewhere where they could all check that nothing was disturbed and far away from the searches taking place in Utah, Idaho, Nevada, etc. Granted, this could have been a one off comment from Steve, however, being from the same area as Steve, I know for a fact via personal account they Steve often hiked in that area of the Cascade Mountain Range. It just begs the question - Why did he mention Rattlesnake Rock (ledge) and why did law enforcement not realize that he could have potentially referencing one of the most popular hikes in Washington State?
It would also make more sense as to why Josh moved back to Washington so quickly after Susan’s disappearance, perhaps he knew that she was no where near Utah!
This reminds me eerily of my ex husband. He used to love to daydream about how he could kill someone and dispose of their body where it would never be found.
I really find the cold imformation so interesting there are so many facts u dont hear in just the facts of the case they they dive into the lives of the families so much you dont know ,I wish so much they could still find her family needs that ,they need to have her back ,she needs to b with her babies ,I pray they never give up , keep bringing these great podcasts , thank u
Even if the family wasn't directly involved with the murder/hiding Susan, they certainly knew what was going on and helped hide evidence... I wish the truth could've been tortured out of them before they unfairly were allowed to choose to end thier self inflicted torment... 😠
Doing these same things in the desert is my hobby. Happy to see a family enjoying them but sad to know what happens later. We'll see if Sparks found her. After hearing these podcasts, I really do hope they or someone finds her
At this time in feb of 2022 Dave Sparks of Diesel Brothers have dug down into a mineshaft in Utah. They recovered some bones and articles of clothing they suspect might be Susan’s. I hope they find her and bring her home to her parents. People are so sick and demented these days. This happens way too often.
Did they bother to test the composition of the burnt plaster they found in the van and compare it to the plaster of the houses, just saying it's an idea that could lead ya to a clue...
Three hour driving time.....Were any searches done toward Thanksgiving Point? 🤔 I don't think he put her in the west desert. Or, if he did, he moved her after Susan's son told the detectives what he did. (I won't call those precious boys anyone's but hers)
Been listening to this at night. Last night went to sleep and saw a clear vision of Susan. He drugged her, strangled her and left her in a hidden mine.
I hope they did search areas of where geodes were at. But there was so many possibilities where he could of hid her. Plus many speculate he move her body again to a harder spot
I’m totally amazed at the details heard on these COLD episodes on Susan Powell disappearance I salute their efforts. I feel so sorry for Susan’s parents. There is no closure for them. No matter how horrible what happened to Shanann Watts, at least her body was found. I hope they find Suzanne Morphew’s body. Josh Powell’s family is very dysfunctional to say the least. Except for Jennifer, they can just vanish from face of the earth.
The idea of dumping her or burying her where there was homes being built is so plausible! Remember they found drywall or something like it in that compartment in floor behind driver seat in the van. They also found the melted metal. Could it have been a lock?
I have to say I was talking some serious shit about the police department bc of previous fuck ups. Hearing this episode has changed my opinion. Ppl don't realize how much time it takes to get everything legal otherwise he could get by with his crime. These officer's did what they could to get him and bring him to justice. Others are faulting them for the children's death, that's not something I thought bc it's ludicrous. The only one responsible for that is Josh and I'm sure Hell has had him a spot reserved for awhile. Direct the hate and anger in his direction not the police.
Heritage Farms There's also Manzanita bushes in the Utah desert. Those can be red or purplish blue, as well. And there's also a few different species of nightshade that grow in that area; the berries are toxic, but can be red or blue.
Didn’t he have a saw in his van? I think he cut her up and put her different pieces different places and maybe even burned the parts before. He was confident no one would find her body.
Josh’s March 2009 camping trip in yet another snow makes me wonder if it WAS a recon trip to find a place to dump Susan, make boys familiar with the area and also to see if he could pull a heavy sled in the snow
Wait. The dogs started to dig up a tarp like material. But there is a record of the police going out but not finding anything? He also dug out there but found nothing? If they were all in the same place as the dog would they not have found the tarp.like material?
I never comment on youtube but this really angered me. they were too afraid/ "afraid of what they might have found" to find out what was under that tarp like material even AFTER THAT MUCH TIME AND EFFORT ON SEARCHING FOR SUSAN?!!? That just sounded like a waste of time. It could've been her! Why would they just leave, and left it to the police when THEY WERE RIGHT THERE, they could've made sure. IT MAKES NO SENSE
I watch true crime shows all the time. I know the shows were created for more people besides me!! This podcast is so detailed. It's awesome Why in the world would Josh want to even be around his father? He knew he was a pervert! He was so manipulated by his father. I think her death was put in Joshs mind by his father. I guess his mind and backbone were too weak to go against his dad.
Each episode that goes by I’m just floored by how ill adjusted, narcissistic, and plain idiotic Josh was. He was a failure in every aspect despite some random nerdy tech knowledge. Couldn’t even change a tire.
Really Josh could have taken the kids anywhere and told them they were at dinosaur national park. He seems like the type that would have planned a whole story and repeatedly said it to them all the way home. I do think maybe they saw him put something in a hole and put rocks and vegetation over it because of the bear story charlie told. Maybe he told them it was a bear that he put in the hole.
I agree. He repeated so much junk to the kids they parroted it out. Specifically Charlie at school. I'm surprised Josh didn't drug the kids with Benadryl and leave them home or passed out on the back. Also why didn't he take her purse and stuff? Or a pair of clothes. I guess he pulled a Chris Watts and thought he would have more time to dispose of evidence.
at 9:51 u said how susan said about when josh brought kids to be geologist that susan would all a rock they would look at she calle it "a crystal sparkely thing .. is that not what of her sons said when first asked where his mom was last seen and he said in that "sparkly rocks "
"It's an odd topic to speak at length about hiding a body in the desert. I mean, who thinks about it to that extent?" Umm... Brian Laundrie says hello!
Awesome job but I just have to say for me podcast is really lacking. I wish this was a documentary with video or photos or whatever to go along with this. I would still have watched the whole thing. You should try to sell this to Netflix for a limited docuseries like Tiger King or whatever. I know this is a year old so you won't see this but there are so many times I wish I had some visuals it's driving me nuts, lol
Omg i hopes he was killed at the house and not drug out through the desert landscape knowing she wasn't coming back home. That terror she would be facing i can hardly breathe in thinking about that kind of evil. I worry too because of that eye witness at the flying j gas station who described all of them there. Did Josh make this pit stop then return to the house kill her load her body in trunk and take off camping with the boys to burn or bury her in some mine??? Chills what a psychopath 😫😫😫😫😫🤯🤯🤯🤯🤮🤮💔💔💔💔
I don't mean to nitpick and I'm really enjoying this podcast, but I do need to point out one thing: Josh's mother Terri's given name is not Teresa, it's Terrica.
.... You do realize Terrica is pronounced like “Teresa”, right? 🤦🏿♀️ the dude thoroughly interviewed Josh’s sister, I’m pretty sure he knows how it’s pronounced.
omg was josh hoping the toddlers would perish in the cold night in a tent in a blizzard ??? is that why he was doing extreme camping with them, without the correct thermal equipment is that neglect?
I want photos and video of the senior man-child chasing after the wife of the apprentice man-child collecting adult toys while Susan flashes her bionic eyes look for those of us who are interested.
Some people have speculated Josh eventually gave up Susan’s body to Steve for “safe keeping”, it’s frustrating that Josh has kept Susan hidden in death as he did in her life. The search feels like it’s an effort to reclaim Susan from Her monstrous husband Steve and the other brother HAVE to know something. Or they did before they died
Your research is impeccable! So detailed and complete. Really enjoying this series. I’ve watched/listened to so much on this sad sad case, but feel like I knew nothing before your podcast. Thank you for all your hard work!!
How do you have no comments and only 100 some views. This is the most detailed podcast on this case out there.... Thank you for the upload! Binge listening and cant get enough!
R B this is the best research and podcast I’ve ever seen/heard! I’m spreading the word like a wild
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completely agree it is so informative and very detailed
This guy is so gifted. He’s up there with Chris Hansen. Superb commentary
Agreed I'm hooked! I came across part 1 and here I still sit hrs later lol
I see it has 14k videos...
I'm just discovering this... This is outstanding work!! Such a terribly sad, tragic case. However, your devotion & attention to detail has unequivocally made this podcast the best coverage of this story. Great job! I am glad I found this.
Love that the guy that narrates for Josh also reads the jewelers ads
wow you have to admire the lengths the authorities went to in their search for Susan - all those parties involved were so thorough and the dogs' work tracking scent must have been exhausting..I applaud those efforts to find something significant..amazing work!
Terry from Christchurch New Zealand, it must be agknoliged the personal efforts of the volunteers who put in such passion and steadfast work into trying to get Susan home to her loved ones too give some closeure. I could not imagine the frustration and helplessness one would feel with a missing loved one. Your contribution is priceless and worthy of valour. Thanks for being amazing human beings.
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He could have put her in more then one place especially when I believe his brother and father helped him. I think Susan was moved at least once if not more then once.
SMART Cookie I also think that seems to be a very likely possibility...especially based on the cadaver dog hits on Michael Powell's car in the junkyard.
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I think she was more than likely moved at least once...I think one of the times she was moved was when Josh got that rental car and Did God knows what for 800 total miles.
I feel he was telling us to look at the water near her work. It could have been defended as she was hit riding her bike. It would be interesting to have cadaver dogs around the area but I don’t know how long dogs can smell cadavers for
His saws were missing, so he probably did cut her up and put her in different places. So horrific.
Brilliant job on the Podcast...COLD I lv it💙🏴
I want to thank the men who risked their lives to find and bring Susan home
Here on a Stephanie Harlow recommendation! Love 💗 this podcast, new subscriber here! I will be spreading the word!
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It would be easy, even for a weak & lazy man, to dump a body down a vertical mine shaft, then use an impact tool to loosen surface dirt around the collar to bury it at the bottom. I hope that D Sparks crew will find her remains, as they're now searching. It's incredible how many cold cases of missing people are now being solved by amateur groups like Adventures With A Purpose.
Many of us have wondered for years. Sad sad story.
I think that Josh has destroyed and incinerated her body. 3 weeks before the murder he deliberately bought a tool that could incinerate and cut through steel.
IF you follow the complete podcasts , there is an old quarry near was towards Wendover , well at Clive on the road going to Nevada. It is known that Josh visited that site in his van when it was radio tagged, as per podcasts. It seems likely a body was dumped there in the cold and snow and then later picked up by Josh in the rental car he got from the airport after is police interview (they had not released his van at this time). Josh then perhaps visits this site and he's very anxious and he puts the body in a plastic bag and drives it somewhere about 400 m or 640 km from Utah airport - that 's the complete trip including the quarry diversion. His cell phone was either off or destroyed at this time. My guess is he got somewhere near Boise Idaho (Idaho has no death penalty and if the body is found - try proving that the murder did not occur in Idaho). He may have met up with Michael.
There were no forensics for the Hertz rental as it had already been cleaned for hiring and in fact had done a second hiring by the time police caught up with it.
JP went to a lot of trouble to set up red herrings re Ely and that area via internet searches; it seems highly likely therefore that no body , clothing or anything else will be found in that direction.
@@F_Tim1961 he could of done anything to dispose of her body the second time. And I firmly believe he moved the body, and I hope they at least checked the geo area just in case. I really wish they would find her body but if they ever did her body would be so badly decomposed and deteriorated there would be no way to find how how she died.
What’s worse is he could of used the torch device to completely destroy most of her remains. The smaller the remains the harder to find the body.
Josh was crazy, he refused to even let her body go. If only they had arrested him and had him do a bargain to let them find the body and wouldn’t charge him with the death penalty
This is the short version - keybd trouble stole the longer one so I did this on a copy of Notepad.
Burning body in garage with Oxy torch. Not posssible It would smell horrible in am. Investigating police would pick up on it.
Dave Cawley did some experiments on a Ytube episode.
Outcome. It was likely a battery driven impact Driver that
was found all burned up in the bag under the truck seat.
Samarium from a magnet was found Two copper wires were found.
This is consistent with the driver Cawley bought in a hardware store
and burned up with a similar torch on video.
The implication is that JP used it to kill Susan in some way
and he wanted it to disappear completely. I'd guess she was laid low
by muscle relaxant at the time - the prescription material he had.
JP seems to have taken the rental car (at a guess) out to the quarry site
and the as far north as Boise Idaho. He replaced his mobile phone in SL city on the way back - right at the end of the trip. Police presumably never found cell tower data for the old phone . Did Michael meet him in Idaho - no way to say. Idaho is on the route to Seattle - it would all make sense.
If I had to hazard a guess I'd say that the body might have been shackeled in snow chains and dropped into a lake within walking distance of a road. it was cold at that time of year. It would make sense - the ground was hard and Josh might have thought buying a shovel or a mattock would have drawn attention to himself (cash purchase would be less of an issue ).
Why would Micheal have a perfectly good Taurus crushed if there was really nothing much wrong with it ? I think the gearbox issue was just phony. The tow was to prove that the car could not be driven. The superficial answer is that there was DNA in it that should not have been. But then the police investigation of the recovered car showed nothing. Michael may simply not have trusted Josh and wanted the car destroyed in case JP tried to frame him. Josh could easily retain some clean up rag and smear the boot/ trunk with it in order to have a fall guy to take with him - or to keep MP shut up. MP was willing to pay a lot of money to a Satellite imaging company to see if that car was gone- crushed or still a liability to him. Another option is that MP removed using his car, cleaning material that Josh had used and then had hidden in the house or garage or perhaps in the snow out back . He might have been concerned they were not bagged securely or there was DnA on the outside of the bag. All guesses on my part.
Why did MP kill himself ? The fake army officer working for the SL police suggested his project funding might be pulled according to Dave Cawley. MP might have assumed they were closing in on his involvement or he might have seen some nasty stuff along with Josh and it was giving him nightmares. Or it may be that the police sniffing around told him this case was going to follow him forever and he snapped.
Two suicides, Three murders two of children, no court case. Steve Powell going to court for other matters. It's horrible stuff.
Josh would never do a deal as you suggest. He knew that police had to look through thousands of square km of land to find something. He had all the cards as long as he stayed quiet about the body.
Susan was basically telling folks that, that dude is going to kill her one of these days. It was her intuition.
This channel deserves so much more sub. It’s so detailed n well done.
The lack of subs is truly shocking to me. It seems people want their "bitesize" true crime stories. Honestly, Ive been on some podcasts who put in similar work and people are actually COMPLAINING that its too long and the detail boring. I think it is a certain type of person who, like me, might have been a detective or forensic psychologist if life had been a bit different.
To me, the opportunity to learn about human behaviour in these cases is what keeps me interested. I'm not into gore or shock, I just want to learn about why these people do what they do, and how they behave during and afterwards.
@@WakeyWakeyEggsandBakey Agree totally.
They are on dozens of podcast channels. No fear
28:03 “so you could... pass out and wake up dead” 😂 lol wake up dead??
@Dana Davison lol like zombies?
@Dana Davison I wake up dead every morning. Coffee brings me back.
Happy to have found your channel!
It was recommended for me and I think you are outstanding in your investigations. Will spread the word because I’m not the only one interested in cold cases.
Wow. I’ll never stop watching this podcast it’s fascinating but so so sad 😭 human psychology is a crazy thing 💔 😢
This is superior factual detective work.
Did they search in the same type of weather as the time she went missing? AND taking into consideration, the time, the kids, and the motivation of Josh? I would think that would seriously cut the types of places she could be. Also, toss a similar size of item (no disrespect intended to Susan at all), that Susan was, into the mines to see if that item would have been dropped in that particular area?
Poor Susan and those babies!! This case haunts me.
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This is an awesome channel! Cheers!
I will share.
Police can and have used dummies weighing the same weight or very close to their weight as a way to see if a victim was killed like the person of interest had said.
Sounds like the dinosaur park is the reptile state park where they went camping and the topaz...
Are there caves in that reptile park...maybe where stalagtites might grow in winter (crystals) or a grotto?
I wonder if the boys were talking about the geo bed area of when she disappeared because one if them said "she stayed with the flowers and crystals" - which in this video sounds like a location that matches that with the Crystals. Maybe there's a chance we could still find a lead there.
Yeah that's the theory. But they've searched the area several times. The problem is 1) the boys could be merging 2 separate events or locations in their mind due to trauma and being so young, and 2) all the possible areas where he could've put the body are extremely difficult to search. Some parts of these areas, like many mine shafts, are effectively impossible to search.
I was thinking a cave and maybe they put flowers on her? , but that sounds out of character for that monster Josh.
He would have put her somewhere in the first few hours to avoid the kids seeing as much as possible. He didn't put her in a mine in my opinion because of the car scrapped in pendleton. She was moved in that car. Was she actually in a storage unit?
Tarantulas aren't a threat unless you have a heart attack after seeing one. Like me.
"Who sits there and thinks about where to hide a body?" Hmmmmm. Oh, I don't know, how about the Millions of True Crime fans, Law Enforcement Officers, Concerned People, Families of Victims, Copycats, Sickos, in other words = Everybody! What a pointless thing to say there. And her laugh too! Gross
Right! I think everybody has talked about it or at least joked about it lol. A book or a movie could trigger a conversation like that too. And for the record: dig a hole 12 feet deep and put the body in the hole. Cover the body with six feet of dirt, place a dead dog on top of that, and then cover the dog with six more feet of dirt. Voila!
@Dana Davison I read it in a book....honest! 🤭
When she said that I was thinking to myself....I do. True Crime fan.
True but to talk about it in detail with strangers at a work function, still kind of weird.
Josh: goes off roading in a minivan
Also Josh: "its about the driver, not the vehicle"
I wonder if he's ever heard of the Death Valley Germans
Jaclyn Lessard Right?! I live in an area with a whole lot of extremely harsh, undeveloped, uninhabited desert wilderness, and many of the smaller, less well-traveled roads can be *extremely* rough...especially during certain times of the year. The idea of attempting some of these with an aging minivan is both ridiculously laughable and incredibly dangerous!
The fact that Josh was such an ignorant, arrogant know-it-all that he actually risked this with his wife and very young kids in the car only reinforces to me that he was truly a dangerously foolish and callous person.
(FWIW, learning about the Death Valley German incident made me even *more* paranoid than I already was about the possibility of getting stranded in the remote desert! And it's not just me; my whole family started keeping supplies of water and basic survival gear in the trunk.)
@@maneckineckbeard1749Josh and Chris W get the pathetic dad's awards. Both were a lot like their dad's. . .
Absolutely amazing work. The narrating is impeccable
Hmm, as for 17:00 - the video with audio of the child’s interview is on TH-cam . Strange that it was impossible to get that earlier.
Was the podcaster ever able to interview Jennifer on what the kids said once they got home?
I think josh threw them off. Saying the sheep in the West dessert because he had been there with Susan. And knew they were there. I believe the boys were more spot in. And she is not to the west. But the east.
I agree, Charley saying flowers and crystals seemed to be linked more to the trip in March not during the winter. Josh kept giving out hints about where he would take a body. (He did take the torch so he could have put her in a place he had to cut open. Maybe an old cemetery tomb) I thought Charley was talking about a cave of some kind. I also don't think Josh was that smart, had some mental issues but I do believe he gave clues. The searchers should be given a lot of praise for all the work they did to find Susan.
@@tinagillispie2471 Yes a cave & the 'crystals' that Charlie said were 'growing'...stalagtites? The flowers were maybe taken by Josh
If Josh had access to empty homes - maybe he got into one to stay out of the cold weather. Realtors have keys to the homes they show.
Do you know if that's what Josh's job was at the time of the murder? I'm a little unclear on what he did for a living after the Manager positions he and his wife both participated in.
Okay, just a thought on Steve’s comment on “Rattlesnake Rock”... one of the most popular hinging destinations in the Seattle metro area is a hike called “Rattlesnake Ledge”. It’s no farther than an hour from South Hill where the Powell’s and Cox’s were based. It’s very popular yet still in a very isolated part of the Cascade Mountain Range - if this is what Steve was referring to, this raised a a LOT of questions.
*hiking
I'm unfamiliar with the area, would u mind explaining what kinds of questions ur thinking?😊
Kar Robins It makes me wonder, if Michael was in Puyallup at the time of Susan’s disappearance, maybe during the 18 hours Josh went missing after renting a car from SLC International Airport, maybe they moved Susan to THAT mountain or at least somewhere in the wilderness in Washington State. Somewhere where they could all check that nothing was disturbed and far away from the searches taking place in Utah, Idaho, Nevada, etc. Granted, this could have been a one off comment from Steve, however, being from the same area as Steve, I know for a fact via personal account they Steve often hiked in that area of the Cascade Mountain Range. It just begs the question - Why did he mention Rattlesnake Rock (ledge) and why did law enforcement not realize that he could have potentially referencing one of the most popular hikes in Washington State?
It would also make more sense as to why Josh moved back to Washington so quickly after Susan’s disappearance, perhaps he knew that she was no where near Utah!
Oh wow! That makes so much sense! Thank u so much for explaining😊
Josh took the children camping in the desert because of the children's size they could fit down mind shafts
He probably made up that camping in the desert crap to fool everybody about it
This reminds me eerily of my ex husband. He used to love to daydream about how he could kill someone and dispose of their body where it would never be found.
Well I’m glad he’s your ex. I’m also glad you were smart enough to get away from him before anything bad could happen. People are sick these days.
I really find the cold imformation so interesting there are so many facts u dont hear in just the facts of the case they they dive into the lives of the families so much you dont know ,I wish so much they could still find her family needs that ,they need to have her back ,she needs to b with her babies ,I pray they never give up , keep bringing these great podcasts , thank u
It wasn’t as secret as they thought .. josh brother knew ppl that were giving him info . I really feel like his brother had a lot to do with this too
Even if the family wasn't directly involved with the murder/hiding Susan, they certainly knew what was going on and helped hide evidence... I wish the truth could've been tortured out of them before they unfairly were allowed to choose to end thier self inflicted torment... 😠
deffo
Doing these same things in the desert is my hobby. Happy to see a family enjoying them but sad to know what happens later. We'll see if Sparks found her. After hearing these podcasts, I really do hope they or someone finds her
At this time in feb of 2022 Dave Sparks of Diesel Brothers have dug down into a mineshaft in Utah. They recovered some bones and articles of clothing they suspect might be Susan’s. I hope they find her and bring her home to her parents. People are so sick and demented these days. This happens way too often.
They were not Susan’s remains
I'm wondering if they could have used the items Steve Powell was collecting in those zip lock bags that belonged to Susan for a scent.
Did they bother to test the composition of the burnt plaster they found in the van and compare it to the plaster of the houses, just saying it's an idea that could lead ya to a clue...
Three hour driving time.....Were any searches done toward Thanksgiving Point? 🤔 I don't think he put her in the west desert. Or, if he did, he moved her after Susan's son told the detectives what he did. (I won't call those precious boys anyone's but hers)
Sent here by Stephanie Harlow. Not disappointed! Great cast!
Been listening to this at night. Last night went to sleep and saw a clear vision of Susan. He drugged her, strangled her and left her in a hidden mine.
Well duh
Then go find her
So many people dead, 3 murdered, 2 suicide, one heart attack just because one man is a self centered jerk.
lots of men are scj's. this moron elevated it to true blue asshole, fortunately they are less abundant
Like her son said "mommy's with the sparkly rocks". He liked to "dig" for geodes. Connection 🤔
I hope they did search areas of where geodes were at. But there was so many possibilities where he could of hid her. Plus many speculate he move her body again to a harder spot
The audio/video of Charlie talking is available on TH-cam ....
I’m totally amazed at the details heard on these COLD episodes on Susan Powell disappearance I salute their efforts. I feel so sorry for Susan’s parents. There is no closure for them. No matter how horrible what happened to Shanann Watts, at least her body was found. I hope they find Suzanne Morphew’s body. Josh Powell’s family is very dysfunctional to say the least. Except for Jennifer, they can just vanish from face of the earth.
The idea of dumping her or burying her where there was homes being built is so plausible! Remember they found drywall or something like it in that compartment in floor behind driver seat in the van. They also found the melted metal. Could it have been a lock?
josh put the object on top of drywall when he burned it. podcast researcher dave c said he thinks the metal object was a tool aka impact driver
I have to say I was talking some serious shit about the police department bc of previous fuck ups. Hearing this episode has changed my opinion. Ppl don't realize how much time it takes to get everything legal otherwise he could get by with his crime. These officer's did what they could to get him and bring him to justice. Others are faulting them for the children's death, that's not something I thought bc it's ludicrous. The only one responsible for that is Josh and I'm sure Hell has had him a spot reserved for awhile. Direct the hate and anger in his direction not the police.
I don’t know about that. They screwed up the dumpsters thing big time
Ellis denies any errors. He’s full of it. Blames the judge 🤔
@@annacostello5181 He says in an earlier episode that he regrets not getting a warrant sooner.
Huckleberries are blue and red berries native to Utah and idaho.
Heritage Farms There's also Manzanita bushes in the Utah desert. Those can be red or purplish blue, as well. And there's also a few different species of nightshade that grow in that area; the berries are toxic, but can be red or blue.
Didn’t he have a saw in his van? I think he cut her up and put her different pieces different places and maybe even burned the parts before. He was confident no one would find her body.
Josh’s March 2009 camping trip in yet another snow makes me wonder if it WAS a recon trip to find a place to dump Susan, make boys familiar with the area and also to see if he could pull a heavy sled in the snow
agree
Wait. The dogs started to dig up a tarp like material. But there is a record of the police going out but not finding anything? He also dug out there but found nothing? If they were all in the same place as the dog would they not have found the tarp.like material?
I never comment on youtube but this really angered me. they were too afraid/ "afraid of what they might have found" to find out what was under that tarp like material even AFTER THAT MUCH TIME AND EFFORT ON SEARCHING FOR SUSAN?!!? That just sounded like a waste of time. It could've been her! Why would they just leave, and left it to the police when THEY WERE RIGHT THERE, they could've made sure. IT MAKES NO SENSE
My guess is that he dropped her dead body into a very deep mine where they will never find her. He was a despicable human being.
except for the guitar stuff, that saw me 😎
Can’t stop listening to it
The interview with Charlie was just released.
I watch true crime shows all the time. I know the shows were created for more people besides me!! This podcast is so detailed. It's awesome Why in the world would Josh want to even be around his father? He knew he was a pervert! He was so manipulated by his father. I think her death was put in Joshs mind by his father. I guess his mind and backbone were too weak to go against his dad.
Each episode that goes by I’m just floored by how ill adjusted, narcissistic, and plain idiotic Josh was. He was a failure in every aspect despite some random nerdy tech knowledge. Couldn’t even change a tire.
Really Josh could have taken the kids anywhere and told them they were at dinosaur national park. He seems like the type that would have planned a whole story and repeatedly said it to them all the way home. I do think maybe they saw him put something in a hole and put rocks and vegetation over it because of the bear story charlie told. Maybe he told them it was a bear that he put in the hole.
I agree. He repeated so much junk to the kids they parroted it out. Specifically Charlie at school.
I'm surprised Josh didn't drug the kids with Benadryl and leave them home or passed out on the back.
Also why didn't he take her purse and stuff? Or a pair of clothes.
I guess he pulled a Chris Watts and thought he would have more time to dispose of evidence.
at 9:51 u said how susan said about when josh brought kids to be geologist that susan would all a rock they would look at she calle it "a crystal sparkely thing .. is that not what of her sons said when first asked where his mom was last seen and he said in that "sparkly rocks "
"It's an odd topic to speak at length about hiding a body in the desert. I mean, who thinks about it to that extent?" Umm... Brian Laundrie says hello!
Drywall? The cops found drywall used to burn something. Too many coincidences.
❤🇨🇦 merci
There’s a forest or somewhere in Oregon that’s has a rattlesnake rock
Awesome job but I just have to say for me podcast is really lacking. I wish this was a documentary with video or photos or whatever to go along with this. I would still have watched the whole thing. You should try to sell this to Netflix for a limited docuseries like Tiger King or whatever. I know this is a year old so you won't see this but there are so many times I wish I had some visuals it's driving me nuts, lol
There is actually a 2020 Story on Netflix about it now!
Omg i hopes he was killed at the house and not drug out through the desert landscape knowing she wasn't coming back home. That terror she would be facing i can hardly breathe in thinking about that kind of evil. I worry too because of that eye witness at the flying j gas station who described all of them there. Did Josh make this pit stop then return to the house kill her load her body in trunk and take off camping with the boys to burn or bury her in some mine??? Chills what a psychopath 😫😫😫😫😫🤯🤯🤯🤯🤮🤮💔💔💔💔
I don't mean to nitpick and I'm really enjoying this podcast, but I do need to point out one thing: Josh's mother Terri's given name is not Teresa, it's Terrica.
.... You do realize Terrica is pronounced like “Teresa”, right? 🤦🏿♀️ the dude thoroughly interviewed Josh’s sister, I’m pretty sure he knows how it’s pronounced.
Theres actually several dinosaur parks/museums in South West Utah. There's actually 4
omg was josh hoping the toddlers would perish in the cold night in a tent in a blizzard ???
is that why he was doing extreme camping with them, without the correct thermal equipment
is that neglect?
Josh drove Susan a circuitous route so she could tell anyone, or write down, where they went.
I want photos and video of the senior man-child chasing after the wife of the apprentice man-child collecting adult toys while Susan flashes her bionic eyes look for those of us who are interested.
I know I will never buy madson reed cuz sooo obnoxious and repetitive. i color my hair every month or so their loss
Has anyone checked the john day fossil beds in oregon?
I wonder if she's near Mill Canyon Dinosaur Trails?
What was Steve doing when Josh rented the car? Did Steve help his son with the body? Maybe the answer to this is yet to come.
Some people have speculated Josh eventually gave up Susan’s body to Steve for “safe keeping”, it’s frustrating that Josh has kept Susan hidden in death as he did in her life.
The search feels like it’s an effort to reclaim Susan from Her monstrous husband
Steve and the other brother HAVE to know something. Or they did before they died
How come -thecoldpodcast.com- & wonderly.com/plus-Dont go anywhere at all? Ty. M
The so called co worker haha what a phony! Reminds me of Chris Watts mistress!
10 to 15miles out N.E. FROM FAMILY HOME!
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Totaly off topic i know so sorry but....is that Sage from Radio X advertising hair products😆
Edit:
Has to be......ledgendary💪
Stalagmites timpanogas cave color crystals
Red berries..... blood.
Or hot coals of a fire.
Maybe
Yeah my thoughts exactly...
Pleases
My guess is that he dropped her dead body into a very deep mine where they will never find her. He was a despicable human being.