You'd think that after being turned down by so many females, after whining about how no females would give him the time of day & how he just couldn't seem to connect, that when he finally DID get lucky enough to land a relationship, he would treat his partner like a queen... or at least treat her decently. Not only did he land 2 relationships, but both women basically let him walk all over them, gave him all of their money, and took care of everything for him. And he STILL treated them like shit. What a loser!
He HATED women. He HATED her so much. Can't you see it in his face? He was not one to value women. They were vaginas & ATMs to him. Girlfriend, let me give you a big gift. You look young (not hating). Research narcissism. It can save you a lifetime of pain. Maybe even your life. Narcissism is deadly! Think: Casey Anthony, Paris Bennett, Alex Whipple. All of them were raised by narcissists.
@@nicolesmith6677 in regards to Paris Lee Bennett's up bringing I don't think Charity his mom was a narcissis. Her mother on the other hand was. The relationship between Charity and her mom was rocky and she had extricated herself from her mom for a long time. It wasn't until Paris was put in the institution in Texas the first time that she tried to fix their relationship. His grandmother was the narcissist who not only Got off from killing charity, 's own father, and bragged on camera about being able manipulate the jury, but she inserted herself back into Paris' s life after he killed his sister and completely ignored her own daughters wishes. She continued to stir the pot by sending him comics he was not supposed to have. She encouraged him to sue his mom encouraged him to try to get charity 's parental rights terminated and given to his grandmother. There is a really good documentary about him called. My son killed my daughter. If you haven't seen it I highly recommend it. So much information about herself her family and her son is given. Paris is also interviewed and he will make your skin crawl. This child is truly the poster child for a psychopath personality.
If you in your 20’s and your husband gets you to take out a million dollars in insurance, get the hell out. If you are in your 20’s and your husband wants medical and durable power of attorney over you, he’s a sociopath or as they say nowadays a narcissistic. He can’t have any real feelings , he couldn’t have if he murdered those boys.
Exactly, I would never give my husband or whoever except my mom power of attorney, unless it’s for specific reason. Also I wouldn’t never get life insurance in my 20s or 30s and not for that much. She was too naive in her early years. Mormons get married to early.
JUST LIKE DAD? SONS ARE CREEPY! JOSH IS EVIL BY TEASING HIS WIFE TELLING BOYS THEIR MOM, SUSAN WAS EVIL CUZ SHE GOES TO CHURCH AND MAKES THEM GO, TOO! WHAT EVIL CREEPS!
The in-depth subject matter aside (your research is so in depth and detailed) just your production value with the actual voice clips and helicopter/airport hangar sounds really add to the presentation. I’m confused why you don’t have more subscribers?! 🤜🤛
Right on Mitzi ! The amount of work that Dave and his team have put into this series boggles the mind. So damned professional. There should be an award for this type of involved media investigations. Cheers' Tom
I think too bc this podcasts is available on many other platforms. I usually listen before bed on Apple but like come here for comments etc. trust me this was heard by tons of more people.
I really hope Alina Powell hears this and the guilt eats her up and spits her out. She called Susan a bitch, a liar and an abusive mother. Alina will pay and eat her words.
I cannot imagine what was going through the detectives minds after first having witnessed all the bizarre behavior with Josh, to then get inside of the absolutely disturbed mind of his father, Steve. I don't know which is creepier - his behavior, or the words he used to articulate his sick and deranged obsession with Susan, which shows just how unbelievably detached from reality he was. I literally want to vomit every time he speaks about her, using the quintessential verbiage of everything defining disturbing and creepy. You honestly can't make this stuff up.
I hate how they drug around waiting on more evidence. I've seen them arrest and detain ppl with a lot less evidence and no body. They waited too long on this because any jury would've seen thru his story and convicted him. With his lies alone. Knowing he had her cellphone, he took out the Sim card, he called it many times to make it seem like she had it, the notes she left at work and the neighbors testimony about the day before when he also lied to cops. They had plenty of probable cause. Cops like cps Failed these kids.
@@TruecrimeWithAlicia One can't be convicted on lies alone, and a judge will rarely sign off on an arrest warrant based on weak circumstantial evidence, especially in no body cases. More could have been done and should have been done prior to Susan's disappearance/murder, and surely before the incident with the boys, but our judicial system isn't perfect, and there are laws in place to protect every citizen, including victims and offender's. The lead detective in Susan's case did a phenomenal job, and continued searching for her far longer than most would have.
How many days after the disappearance did Josh go to Susan's work to transfer her retirement money to his account? Even though she was only "missing?" That is the motive. And he still wasn't arrested???
Right?! Connect the dots like they should have...it was ALL about him covering up and hiding the truth. Not a grief stricken man who had " nothing" to do with her disappearance.
I think a huge factor into Josh's horrific decision to take his and the boys' life had to do with what they witnessed, as they obviously were revealing incriminating information to various people, and Josh seemed to grow progressively more and more paranoid after murdering Susan. Based on his clearly narcissistic personality (possibly psychopathic too), the testimonies of their close friend's and family, what was already uncovered in the boys' sessions with investigators, and the impending legal implications which would undoubtedly result in the them being around Susan's family, it seems as though his subsequent actions all revolved around guarding his initial crimes and secrets. I truly don't want to bash Susan, but it is incredibly difficult to fathom how anyone could feel comfortable around Josh or his father, let alone safe. Their behavior and language are beyond unsettling, even when they appear to be acting what they believe is "normal".
@@FSUruizfamily Absolutely nothing can explain it in a meaningful way. The aftermath is the physical manifestation of an unbelievably disturbed, pathological psyche, likely formed as a result of, or in addition to, years of programming and progressive enabling by an incredibly toxic family system. Clinically speaking however, the primary motive was power. That's exactly why they kill others in addition to themselves; to show their contempt for the world/society, while controlling as much of the narrative as possible.
Possession is NOT love. These children were not allowed to be themselves. He wanted to have a couple of mini joshs not Charlie and Braden. Also he did seem to favor Charlie over Braden as Charlie had similar personality traits like his love for buildings things and architecture... teachers described him as brilliant and innovative and creative independent thinker. Braden was more like a typical young child and seemed to be needy ... Some of that could be the age difference and maybe susan showing so much attention to him because of his age and his lost of her when he was barely 2. But even when Charlie was so young he was labeled as different. More like his father than Braden. This would certainly pull josh into having a keen interest in Charlie. Honestly I don't know just drawing my own conclusions based on what I have learned. As for what they witnessed. Doubt they saw josh murder their mother but they may have noticed their mother wasn't with them on the ride home. I don't think he murdered her during the camping trip. I think he did it at home after they returned from gas station and she was getting ready for bed he sneaks up on her and strikes her over head with the impact driver while he distracts the boys. He wraps her in a blanket and loads her into back of van explaining to his curious son that mommy's sleeping and drives out to desert and dumps body. I don't think he buried her into the snow storm... Instead contacts his brother Michael to move the body. She's loaded into michael car and dumps her into some river or lake. Already known that susan was in michaels car as the dogs 🐕 found something of decomp weeks later when his car was sold for scrap at auto body junk services. Unfortunately the dna was so degraded she couldn't be identified She's gone... josh is dead and took her buried site with him. The only solice I found in this despicable act is that the boys are finally with their mother... josh faces a different kind of judgement with much harsher consequences. thats how it should be. Rip susan Charlie and Braden. Sympathy and prayers for the coxes and all who loved susan and her precious sons. 😢❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
For those blaming Ellis on this, I actually blame the bosses and county prosecutors. I know that’s not a popular opinion, but they are actually the ones that can ok charges.
Good point- they also should have assigned a more experienced detective to the case, not a dood who just started in major crimes that was barely hired in the first place.
Great podcast dave! Shout out to Heavy D for looking for susan out in the desert that's what brought me over here to your podcast, I've been doing my own research for a couple years now and this is the best podcast I've listen to about this situation, Rest in love susan
I love it when a creator grabs a story and tells it in depth. For the murdaugh case(S) Murdaugh Murders Podcast did his. It's amazing how much there is in both cases...
Theory: he poisoned her with the pancakes and got himself and the boys (as well as Susan's friend) out of the house "to go sledding" so that he didn't have to watch her die a painful death on the couch. He was a total coward after all. Whatever he poisoned her with made her cough up blood, hence the blood splatter on the tiles near the couch. She wiped the blood from her mouth and steadied herself on the sofa, hence her blood smeared on the top of the couch, later cleaned by josh. Whatever happened after that point I'm not sure, but I think something got in the way of whatever his original plan was. Likely his original plan included her body being found, in some way that suggested he was not responsible for her death, as this was the only way to claim her life insurance. Something got in the way of whatever that original plan was and he panicked, which is why he went on the "camping trip". The reason I assume that the camping trip wasn't a premeditated alibi is because it is such a terrible one. It only serves to create suspicion, not to deflect it. Beyond that, I'm not sure what happened. Would love to hear other people's thoughts on the above.
No - very find droplets indicate spinning of the impact driver connection head. I think J came back , found Susan was still alive. Then he put the boys in the master bed room (assuming it an ensuite bathroom). Then Josh used the impact driver to drive screws , preferably roofing type but more likely heavy wood screws with Philips heads into her skull until she was dead. That's why the impact driver had blood on the spindle. That's why he had to burn it up. He was very very lucky he did not take along that impact driver, say in a plastic bag, on that road trip in his van . He must have stashed it around the house.. . be sure it was in the freezer. Remember the house search was done the next day - perhaps in mid morning. Dave C does a whole episode on the impact driver and burning it up using an oxy set and how long it would have taken that night. What he found is very compelling. Te FIDLER
I feel like whilst Steve invited scrutiny, surely they knew that Susan had been taken and hidden by Josh and that the child spoke the truth. Why did they not take particular items during the first search?
No probable cause?? I thought see made tape and she said she wanted to document in case something happened and she had written a letter that said that if something happened to her, it was Josh...was her body ever found?? Did the 911 guy get charged with anything???😢😢😢
I think Josh made it impossible for anyone to find Susan's body.. Because there isn't a body to find! I believe he morbidly mutilated and burnt what was left of her remains. He never seemed overly concerned about the police being "on to him" as far as finding Susan. I feel bad for saying that.. But if he could do what he did to those sweet BOY'S..why would he not hesitate to go out of his way to do ANYTHING possible to Susan and her remains?? His is and was the epitome of evil.. Not to mention his Entourage.. Father and brother!
How can I raise my daughter to know her worth? I will try to teach her that she is capable and must want better for herself. This family...don't even know. 😕
Police were lazy & unprofessional. Jus like they were with Lori and Chad daybell. They never did the well check. Never forced her to prove those kids was alive. Let them run all over this country having a blast while those kids were buried. It's laziness. They had plenty of evidence and I've seem ppl convicted with a lot less and no body.
I did the exact same injury by wrestling with a large snowblower. It fell off the edge of the sidewalk and started scraping the side of my car. Trying to yank this machine off the car ripped my shoulder up. It got worse over the weeks until I was in agony. Now I need surgery and have to take a mountain of painkillers. If they were fighting, he could have been hurt or if he was pulling her on the sleigh.
Wasn't much of a dog and pony show was it? Josh got his way, you never arrested him..you could have but you didn't and Charlie and Braden died because of it, this Maxwell fool gets on my nerves, you didn't solve the case Ellis, you failed this case!
Your podcast is excellent,Stephanie Harlow recommended you and I’m so glad.this case has always bothered me,josh was evil and absolutely killed Susan and then his poor sons and as for Steven well he kept her used sanitary products ??!! Wtf, I really hope Susan is found one day and laid to rest with the boys.le missed so many chances to solve this case and find Susan.rip three 👼and sending 💖and🙏in the hope Susan is found from🇬🇧
I dont know if he planned it exactly. His alibi makes no sense whatsoever. The date and time of his alibi is suspicious in itself. If he was planning this, why plan it for a day when you'll be missed? Assuming Susan didnt work weekends. Friday night? It's hard to grasp his logic sometimes. And he didnt seem to understand how odd he was perceived by everyone else. Its possible that he never even considered that she'd be missed immediately because he was such a narcissist. Similar to Chris Watts. But I think it's more likely that he hurt her in a rage during or after a fight.
Agree. I think that the long term plan was to kill her but he did it before he had had a chance to completely plan everything, including his alibi. I don't think that he had wanted to have the children there for the disposal at least
I would normally agree about the rotator cuff injury however i tore BOTH of my rotator cuffs before the age of 30 from SLEEPING on my sides. Mine was probably more of a fluke thing but i really did. I could have possibly made it worse by throwing a football the day after and completely tore it by doing that but yes both were torn from sleeping.
If she wasn't lds she prob would have walked away with those boys but in those religions you are supposed to be a submissive wife ect. Males hold alot more power in those communities
Hell no he didn't already have the injury caused from the "wreck"! I've had that injury to my rotator cuff ironically from a wreck. My point being that that's a seriously painful injury. I could not lift my arm it literally wouldn't move. The only function of my arm was from my elbow down. No way he'd had that for months.
I know you can listen to the rest of the podcast episodes on your website, but you still haven't explained WHY they were removed from youtube. This is a very well made podcast and I appreciate all the work you've put into it, I'm just curious as to the reasoning behind the removal of the subsequent videos after this episode
No probable cause? I guess the $1 million life insurance policy is not probable cause? These cops really screwed this one up and unfortunately two innocent young little boys are paying for the police's mistakes
Horrible plan. Who would leave midnight on Monday morning to go camping with two small children in a blizzard, when you have to work in the morning and your kids have daycare? Did Susan figure out that Josh was poisoning her? She thought him capable of hurting her according to the journals.Did she confront him, and he was forced to kill her? I think this whole plan reeks of desperation. Something happened that night that foiled Josh's long-term insurance collection plan. I think he must have been trying to slowly poison her death. Either she died unexpectedly that night from an unintentional overdose, or she figured out that Josh was making her sick, confronted him, and he killed her. The melted metal object hidden in the car, that's the murder weapon. I dunno if was a gun, or a drill, or a blunt object, but pretty sure that's the weapon.
I think the melted metal was something else which us why it was hidden under the seat. He melted that piece of metal as a test for something else. He forgot about it under the seat. He hid it because he didn't want Susan to find it, but he didn't want to throw it out. Sheet rock isn't cheap so I'm sure he planned to do something else with the material to get his monies worth.
@@nikkishears6402 I think he was poisoning her. He told her he loved her that one day, and that's when she started feeling sick. He had sex with her to make her think the reason she was sick was because she was pregnant. Making her food when she typically cooked even on her birthday is highly suspect. I think she figured out what was going on and he had no choice but to kill her. The question is how? There is little blood spatter. Nose bleeding? I'm not sure how the blood got there but maybe from coughing or bleeding from the nose or mouth?
@@AngelAngel-wy5sd , that's my theory, except the blood splatter. We have no idea of how much blood there was, because Josh was able to clean before a search warrant was issued. The torch was for destroying evidence. The melted metal object was evidence of murder. Otherwise it wouldn't have been burned.
@@nikkishears6402 I think Josh hid that melted metal because he was too lazy to throw it out. He definitely used that torch for destroying evidence, I don't think that metal was apart of it. I think that metal was a test run for the torching of other evidence. Josh wanted to be sure it worked. He didn't want anyone to see it/find it in the trash so he hid it under his seat until he could throw it out properly. He forgot about it and thought he would have time to get rid of it.
As hard as Josh tried to make it appear everything happened miles and miles away, I bet Susan is a whole lot closer to home. Just saying. I wonder if they ever checked under that beautiful new deck of theirs?
He was seen leaving with the boys...is it possible he drugged and left her and had someone else pick her up after he left in the night. Maybe someone like Mike, she may not have been dead at that time just drugged.
I think so too. When she said she was tired after he fed her pancakes, babysitter left, he killed her. Either he drugged her or choked her but he hid her body where it couldn't be found
@@maestro7058 What? It's in the podcast, it's original music. Dave even gives credit at the end of each episode. Are you asking for some original motion picture soundtrack to be made available?
@@outlawedmedia4336 A lot of them available even for purchase, for example even game soundtracks become available from time to time etc. I'd say even most are marketed and actually sold ye? You haven't heard of this practice?
You'd think that after being turned down by so many females, after whining about how no females would give him the time of day & how he just couldn't seem to connect, that when he finally DID get lucky enough to land a relationship, he would treat his partner like a queen... or at least treat her decently. Not only did he land 2 relationships, but both women basically let him walk all over them, gave him all of their money, and took care of everything for him. And he STILL treated them like shit. What a loser!
Misogyny. He deeply hated women and most of them could tell. Therefore the ones that he could own and control he would punish.
He HATED women. He HATED her so much. Can't you see it in his face? He was not one to value women. They were vaginas & ATMs to him.
Girlfriend, let me give you a big gift. You look young (not hating). Research narcissism. It can save you a lifetime of pain. Maybe even your life. Narcissism is deadly! Think: Casey Anthony, Paris Bennett, Alex Whipple. All of them were raised by narcissists.
She was so pretty too! She was WAY to good for him!
@@nicolesmith6677 in regards to Paris Lee Bennett's up bringing I don't think Charity his mom was a narcissis. Her mother on the other hand was. The relationship between Charity and her mom was rocky and she had extricated herself from her mom for a long time. It wasn't until Paris was put in the institution in Texas the first time that she tried to fix their relationship. His grandmother was the narcissist who not only Got off from killing charity, 's own father, and bragged on camera about being able manipulate the jury, but she inserted herself back into Paris' s life after he killed his sister and completely ignored her own daughters wishes. She continued to stir the pot by sending him comics he was not supposed to have. She encouraged him to sue his mom encouraged him to try to get charity 's parental rights terminated and given to his grandmother. There is a really good documentary about him called. My son killed my daughter. If you haven't seen it I highly recommend it. So much information about herself her family and her son is given. Paris is also interviewed and he will make your skin crawl. This child is truly the poster child for a psychopath personality.
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If you in your 20’s and your husband gets you to take out a million dollars in insurance, get the hell out. If you are in your 20’s and your husband wants medical and durable power of attorney over you, he’s a sociopath or as they say nowadays a narcissistic. He can’t have any real feelings , he couldn’t have if he murdered those boys.
Exactly, I would never give my husband or whoever except my mom power of attorney, unless it’s for specific reason. Also I wouldn’t never get life insurance in my 20s or 30s and not for that much. She was too naive in her early years. Mormons get married to early.
Steve Powell is one creepy dude. Great podcast.
Just like his Creeper Dad
JUST LIKE DAD? SONS ARE CREEPY! JOSH IS EVIL BY TEASING HIS WIFE TELLING BOYS THEIR MOM, SUSAN WAS EVIL CUZ SHE GOES TO CHURCH AND MAKES THEM GO, TOO! WHAT EVIL CREEPS!
Also a great singer
The in-depth subject matter aside (your research is so in depth and detailed) just your production value with the actual voice clips and helicopter/airport hangar sounds really add to the presentation. I’m confused why you don’t have more subscribers?! 🤜🤛
Right on Mitzi ! The amount of work that Dave and his team have put into this series boggles the mind. So damned professional. There should be an award for this type of involved media investigations. Cheers' Tom
I think too bc this podcasts is available on many other platforms. I usually listen before bed on Apple but like come here for comments etc. trust me this was heard by tons of more people.
They will come
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If you’re telling the truth these days you are HEAVILY CENSORED
It’s too bad that West Valley did not bring in a more experienced detective to assist Ellis in this investigation.
I really hope Alina Powell hears this and the guilt eats her up and spits her out. She called Susan a bitch, a liar and an abusive mother. Alina will pay and eat her words.
shes delusional and suffering every day
I cannot imagine what was going through the detectives minds after first having witnessed all the bizarre behavior with Josh, to then get inside of the absolutely disturbed mind of his father, Steve. I don't know which is creepier - his behavior, or the words he used to articulate his sick and deranged obsession with Susan, which shows just how unbelievably detached from reality he was. I literally want to vomit every time he speaks about her, using the quintessential verbiage of everything defining disturbing and creepy. You honestly can't make this stuff up.
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I hate how they drug around waiting on more evidence. I've seen them arrest and detain ppl with a lot less evidence and no body. They waited too long on this because any jury would've seen thru his story and convicted him. With his lies alone. Knowing he had her cellphone, he took out the Sim card, he called it many times to make it seem like she had it, the notes she left at work and the neighbors testimony about the day before when he also lied to cops. They had plenty of probable cause. Cops like cps Failed these kids.
@@TruecrimeWithAlicia One can't be convicted on lies alone, and a judge will rarely sign off on an arrest warrant based on weak circumstantial evidence, especially in no body cases. More could have been done and should have been done prior to Susan's disappearance/murder, and surely before the incident with the boys, but our judicial system isn't perfect, and there are laws in place to protect every citizen, including victims and offender's. The lead detective in Susan's case did a phenomenal job, and continued searching for her far longer than most would have.
How many days after the disappearance did Josh go to Susan's work to transfer her retirement money to his account? Even though she was only "missing?" That is the motive. And he still wasn't arrested???
Right?! Connect the dots like they should have...it was ALL about him covering up and hiding the truth. Not a grief stricken man who had " nothing" to do with her disappearance.
Very well done. Congratulations to the producers of this audio documentary.
I think a huge factor into Josh's horrific decision to take his and the boys' life had to do with what they witnessed, as they obviously were revealing incriminating information to various people, and Josh seemed to grow progressively more and more paranoid after murdering Susan. Based on his clearly narcissistic personality (possibly psychopathic too), the testimonies of their close friend's and family, what was already uncovered in the boys' sessions with investigators, and the impending legal implications which would undoubtedly result in the them being around Susan's family, it seems as though his subsequent actions all revolved around guarding his initial crimes and secrets. I truly don't want to bash Susan, but it is incredibly difficult to fathom how anyone could feel comfortable around Josh or his father, let alone safe. Their behavior and language are beyond unsettling, even when they appear to be acting what they believe is "normal".
That still doesn't explain it though. He could have just killed himself and it wouldn't have mattered what the kids said.
@@FSUruizfamily Absolutely nothing can explain it in a meaningful way. The aftermath is the physical manifestation of an unbelievably disturbed, pathological psyche, likely formed as a result of, or in addition to, years of programming and progressive enabling by an incredibly toxic family system. Clinically speaking however, the primary motive was power. That's exactly why they kill others in addition to themselves; to show their contempt for the world/society, while controlling as much of the narrative as possible.
@@FSUruizfamily true, but that just shows Josh's possessive nature. If he couldn't have custody of his sons, then no one could.
Spite or he was doing bad things to them.
Possession is NOT love. These children were not allowed to be themselves. He wanted to have a couple of mini joshs not Charlie and Braden.
Also he did seem to favor Charlie over Braden as Charlie had similar personality traits like his love for buildings things and architecture... teachers described him as brilliant and innovative and creative independent thinker.
Braden was more like a typical young child and seemed to be needy ...
Some of that could be the age difference and maybe susan showing so much attention to him because of his age and his lost of her when he was barely 2.
But even when Charlie was so young he was labeled as different.
More like his father than Braden.
This would certainly pull josh into having a keen interest in Charlie.
Honestly I don't know just drawing my own conclusions based on what I have learned.
As for what they witnessed. Doubt they saw josh murder their mother but they may have noticed their mother wasn't with them on the ride home.
I don't think he murdered her during the camping trip.
I think he did it at home after they returned from gas station and she was getting ready for bed he sneaks up on her and strikes her over head with the impact driver while he distracts the boys.
He wraps her in a blanket and loads her into back of van explaining to his curious son that mommy's sleeping and drives out to desert and dumps body.
I don't think he buried her into the snow storm...
Instead contacts his brother Michael to move the body. She's loaded into michael car and dumps her into some river or lake.
Already known that susan was in michaels car as the dogs 🐕 found something of decomp weeks later when his car was sold for scrap at auto body junk services.
Unfortunately the dna was so degraded she couldn't be identified
She's gone... josh is dead and took her buried site with him.
The only solice I found in this despicable act is that the boys are finally with their mother... josh faces a different kind of judgement with much harsher consequences. thats how it should be.
Rip susan Charlie and Braden.
Sympathy and prayers for the coxes and all who loved susan and her precious sons. 😢❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
By far the best podcast out there! Hope to hear more from you guys on other cases!
You just helped me understand something about misogyny that I didn’t get. Thanks.
What did you figure out ?
Hi! I'm new here, and I just wanted to say the way u are telling this story is great!!
For those blaming Ellis on this, I actually blame the bosses and county prosecutors. I know that’s not a popular opinion, but they are actually the ones that can ok charges.
Agreed
Good point- they also should have assigned a more experienced detective to the case, not a dood who just started in major crimes that was barely hired in the first place.
Great podcast dave! Shout out to Heavy D for looking for susan out in the desert that's what brought me over here to your podcast, I've been doing my own research for a couple years now and this is the best podcast I've listen to about this situation, Rest in love susan
most informative! So sorry more persons are not listening. Helps so much with background of this case
This is a very detailed and interesting podcast.
I love it when a creator grabs a story and tells it in depth. For the murdaugh case(S) Murdaugh Murders Podcast did his. It's amazing how much there is in both cases...
Theory: he poisoned her with the pancakes and got himself and the boys (as well as Susan's friend) out of the house "to go sledding" so that he didn't have to watch her die a painful death on the couch. He was a total coward after all. Whatever he poisoned her with made her cough up blood, hence the blood splatter on the tiles near the couch. She wiped the blood from her mouth and steadied herself on the sofa, hence her blood smeared on the top of the couch, later cleaned by josh. Whatever happened after that point I'm not sure, but I think something got in the way of whatever his original plan was. Likely his original plan included her body being found, in some way that suggested he was not responsible for her death, as this was the only way to claim her life insurance. Something got in the way of whatever that original plan was and he panicked, which is why he went on the "camping trip". The reason I assume that the camping trip wasn't a premeditated alibi is because it is such a terrible one. It only serves to create suspicion, not to deflect it. Beyond that, I'm not sure what happened.
Would love to hear other people's thoughts on the above.
No - very find droplets indicate spinning of the impact driver connection head.
I think J came back , found Susan was still alive. Then he put the boys in the master bed room (assuming it an ensuite bathroom).
Then Josh used the impact driver to drive screws , preferably roofing type but more likely heavy wood screws with Philips heads into her skull until she was dead. That's why the impact driver had blood on the spindle. That's why he had to burn it up. He was very very lucky he did not take along that impact driver, say in a plastic bag, on that road trip in his van . He must have stashed it around the house.. . be sure it was in the freezer. Remember the house search was done the next day - perhaps in mid morning.
Dave C does a whole episode on the impact driver and burning it up using an oxy set and how long it would have taken that night. What he found is very compelling.
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I was sent here by heavy D sparks and his search. So glad I did.
Me too
Me too!!
there was soooooo much evidence in this case.manyyyyy cases have been won with farrrrr less evidence.
Thank you! That's what I'm screaming. I've seen ppl convicted with a lot less and no body. Police failed this case and were lazy
I feel like whilst Steve invited scrutiny, surely they knew that Susan had been taken and hidden by Josh and that the child spoke the truth. Why did they not take particular items during the first search?
Amazing videos, thank you
No probable cause?? I thought see made tape and she said she wanted to document in case something happened and she had written a letter that said that if something happened to her, it was Josh...was her body ever found?? Did the 911 guy get charged with anything???😢😢😢
He should've devoted a whole video to Steve Powell lol 😄💛
I think Josh made it impossible for anyone to find Susan's body.. Because there isn't a body to find! I believe he morbidly mutilated and burnt what was left of her remains. He never seemed overly concerned about the police being "on to him" as far as finding Susan. I feel bad for saying that.. But if he could do what he did to those sweet BOY'S..why would he not hesitate to go out of his way to do ANYTHING possible to Susan and her remains?? His is and was the epitome of evil.. Not to mention his Entourage.. Father and brother!
He went to loads of dumpster miles away from each other.
@You Play Video naw he too lazy to drill holes in her head. He beat her to death then threw her down a mine shafts. Easy peasy
How can I raise my daughter to know her worth? I will try to teach her that she is capable and must want better for herself. This family...don't even know. 😕
Lead by example.
Show her what a person who values themselves does. 💜
Like a turd on my couch 🤣😂🤣
I think she's in a cemetery. Crystals and flowers in Dec under snow?? I think he was trolling the cops.
Hmmm u might have something. They should have arrested him and held him. I think he would have talked
Dawns Delights Art CRYSTAL is the name of her neighbor who she confided in about her marital problems.
You raise an interesting point Charlie mentioned rocks (maybe headstones?) & remember he said some of the flowers weren't pretty flowers (maybe dead)?
Josh reminds me of Leticia Stauch. So many similarities.
Police were lazy & unprofessional. Jus like they were with Lori and Chad daybell. They never did the well check. Never forced her to prove those kids was alive. Let them run all over this country having a blast while those kids were buried. It's laziness. They had plenty of evidence and I've seem ppl convicted with a lot less and no body.
Absolutely wonderful thank you
could you imagine being his attorney/prepaid legal?
Why the heck is the last half of Season 1 not available on Spotify or I tunes Podcasts!?!?!?
Excellent podcast... very gripping
How did these cops not have the foresight to call the rental agency and make sure that vehicle was set aside w/o being cleaned.
they werent watching him at all or paying attention
How, my friend do u only have 25.8k subs? You're amazing!!
Rotator Cuff from dragging or carrying a dead body? Uh yeah
I did the exact same injury by wrestling with a large snowblower. It fell off the edge of the sidewalk and started scraping the side of my car. Trying to yank this machine off the car ripped my shoulder up. It got worse over the weeks until I was in agony. Now I need surgery and have to take a mountain of painkillers.
If they were fighting, he could have been hurt or if he was pulling her on the sleigh.
This podcast is pretty good but should be renamed "Terrible detectives completely fumble slam-dunk murder investigation".
If your husbands father flirts with you call the police
Wasn't much of a dog and pony show was it? Josh got his way, you never arrested him..you could have but you didn't and Charlie and Braden died because of it, this Maxwell fool gets on my nerves, you didn't solve the case Ellis, you failed this case!
When he was “cleaning” himself maybe one of the spots he left the highway for was the area he left her remains? Or the gravel pit at clive?
i find it hard to listen to predator steve
he has no empathy for Susan's reality
Your podcast is excellent,Stephanie Harlow recommended you and I’m so glad.this case has always bothered me,josh was evil and absolutely killed Susan and then his poor sons and as for Steven well he kept her used sanitary products ??!! Wtf, I really hope Susan is found one day and laid to rest with the boys.le missed so many chances to solve this case and find Susan.rip three 👼and sending 💖and🙏in the hope Susan is found from🇬🇧
But why did he kill her?
I dont know if he planned it exactly. His alibi makes no sense whatsoever. The date and time of his alibi is suspicious in itself. If he was planning this, why plan it for a day when you'll be missed? Assuming Susan didnt work weekends. Friday night? It's hard to grasp his logic sometimes. And he didnt seem to understand how odd he was perceived by everyone else. Its possible that he never even considered that she'd be missed immediately because he was such a narcissist. Similar to Chris Watts. But I think it's more likely that he hurt her in a rage during or after a fight.
Agree. I think that the long term plan was to kill her but he did it before he had had a chance to completely plan everything, including his alibi. I don't think that he had wanted to have the children there for the disposal at least
I would normally agree about the rotator cuff injury however i tore BOTH of my rotator cuffs before the age of 30 from SLEEPING on my sides. Mine was probably more of a fluke thing but i really did. I could have possibly made it worse by throwing a football the day after and completely tore it by doing that but yes both were torn from sleeping.
Where can i listen to the next episodes? These are amazing! Great work!
Josh sounds like chad daybell in these interviews .
If she wasn't lds she prob would have walked away with those boys but in those religions you are supposed to be a submissive wife ect. Males hold alot more power in those communities
right, dirty little boys clubs, and i mean dirty, very very dirty, child abusers, r worders, psychos
Charlie gave the true statement....
really love this podcast I wish that someone would find Susan and bring her home to her family
Hell no he didn't already have the injury caused from the "wreck"! I've had that injury to my rotator cuff ironically from a wreck. My point being that that's a seriously painful injury. I could not lift my arm it literally wouldn't move. The only function of my arm was from my elbow down. No way he'd had that for months.
Not without serious painkillers!!
sompin seriosly, wrong, with joshy, the wife should have scrammed many moons ago
I know you can listen to the rest of the podcast episodes on your website, but you still haven't explained WHY they were removed from youtube. This is a very well made podcast and I appreciate all the work you've put into it, I'm just curious as to the reasoning behind the removal of the subsequent videos after this episode
No probable cause? I guess the $1 million life insurance policy is not probable cause? These cops really screwed this one up and unfortunately two innocent young little boys are paying for the police's mistakes
I tore my rotator cuff in the Coast Guard by pulling a person out of the water and dragging them..so I know for a fact that it can happen!
I hope that there is justice in the next life (whatever you believe and that Josh is being punished for what he did)
Tremonton, Utah? Creepy, I live in Tremonton, Utah!
Please add the rest. Of the episodes
Ellis is cop, not a detective. Those poor boys, gads :(
"AND DATS WHEN IIII SCHED IIIII DON LIKE YOU NO MORE, U R MYYY ENEMY"...
Yeah ok bud, I'm sure that's how it went there neighbor... :|
Where are the rest of the videos? :(
Horrible plan. Who would leave midnight on Monday morning to go camping with two small children in a blizzard, when you have to work in the morning and your kids have daycare?
Did Susan figure out that Josh was poisoning her? She thought him capable of hurting her according to the journals.Did she confront him, and he was forced to kill her? I think this whole plan reeks of desperation. Something happened that night that foiled Josh's long-term insurance collection plan.
I think he must have been trying to slowly poison her death. Either she died unexpectedly that night from an unintentional overdose, or she figured out that Josh was making her sick, confronted him, and he killed her.
The melted metal object hidden in the car, that's the murder weapon. I dunno if was a gun, or a drill, or a blunt object, but pretty sure that's the weapon.
I think the melted metal was something else which us why it was hidden under the seat. He melted that piece of metal as a test for something else. He forgot about it under the seat. He hid it because he didn't want Susan to find it, but he didn't want to throw it out. Sheet rock isn't cheap so I'm sure he planned to do something else with the material to get his monies worth.
@@AngelAngel-wy5sd , that theory doesn't include what you think happened to Susan.
@@nikkishears6402 I think he was poisoning her. He told her he loved her that one day, and that's when she started feeling sick. He had sex with her to make her think the reason she was sick was because she was pregnant. Making her food when she typically cooked even on her birthday is highly suspect. I think she figured out what was going on and he had no choice but to kill her. The question is how? There is little blood spatter. Nose bleeding? I'm not sure how the blood got there but maybe from coughing or bleeding from the nose or mouth?
@@AngelAngel-wy5sd , that's my theory, except the blood splatter. We have no idea of how much blood there was, because Josh was able to clean before a search warrant was issued.
The torch was for destroying evidence. The melted metal object was evidence of murder. Otherwise it wouldn't have been burned.
@@nikkishears6402 I think Josh hid that melted metal because he was too lazy to throw it out. He definitely used that torch for destroying evidence, I don't think that metal was apart of it. I think that metal was a test run for the torching of other evidence. Josh wanted to be sure it worked. He didn't want anyone to see it/find it in the trash so he hid it under his seat until he could throw it out properly. He forgot about it and thought he would have time to get rid of it.
Being that he never physically hit her how did she figure out he could kill her?
why were episodes 7-11 deleted? they used to be here?
We're glad you're enjoying the content, we've still got all of the information and the rest of the podcasts all up at thecoldpodcast.com/
As hard as Josh tried to make it appear everything happened miles and miles away, I bet Susan is a whole lot closer to home. Just saying. I wonder if they ever checked under that beautiful new deck of theirs?
I’ve taken flexral it makes you drowsy my own experience
Oh ya, it will put you right out for hours. Takes awhile to take effect though.
Yes it does
Million dollar Insurance policy???
What happened to episode 7&8???
Does anyone know??
@@lisaharms9387 Try the website, thecoldpodcast.com
Why th hell would they throw out her blood sample?? That's unethical
What was the motive?insurance?
He was seen leaving with the boys...is it possible he drugged and left her and had someone else pick her up after he left in the night. Maybe someone like Mike, she may not have been dead at that time just drugged.
I don't think Mike was involved at that time but he definitely was involved later in my opinion that is..
How about his creepy dad?
I think so too. When she said she was tired after he fed her pancakes, babysitter left, he killed her. Either he drugged her or choked her but he hid her body where it couldn't be found
we are not all suitable for parenthood
takes a village
❤
Where is the rest of the episodes??
Josh had a lovely life.
Why did he trash it?
He is compost for trees now.
Because he loves trees
I think I know what the unidentified burned item is...
Why were the other episodes deleted???
We're glad you're enjoying the content, we've still got all of the information and the rest of the podcasts all up at thecoldpodcast.com/
I think he overdose her with Magnesium
Why do you think that?
Is this Ellis guy still a cop does anyone know?
no hes retired and good riddance worst pig ever
What's the intro and outro music?!?!?!?
It's original music for this podcast
@@outlawedmedia4336 Well would be good to maybe have it somewhere or whatever?
@@maestro7058 What? It's in the podcast, it's original music. Dave even gives credit at the end of each episode. Are you asking for some original motion picture soundtrack to be made available?
@@outlawedmedia4336 A lot of them available even for purchase, for example even game soundtracks become available from time to time etc. I'd say even most are marketed and actually sold ye? You haven't heard of this practice?
He doesn’t even know Josh’s mother’s name is NOT Teresa. It’s some weird LDS name
shes probably at his dads house buried .. has anyone searched there ? i feel shes definitely not in that desert she is closer to his dads
Yeah because it’s so easy to put a dead body on a plane and fly it to Washington, then bury it, then fly back. EZ-PZ. Lol
From Utah to Washington I mean.
I think she's in a mine shaft, in the West Utah Desert!
This guy is just out right creepy.
So did this sheep herder see where Josh came from or where he camped or the direction he was headed?