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Give Me an Answer - I Saw the Evidence
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Cliffe Knechtle has a great conversation with college students at a campus in the southwest US.
The "Give Me An Answer" ministry began as an outgrowth of the dialogues Cliffe Knechtle has had with students on various university campuses throughout the United States. These universities include the University of Maine, Harvard, MIT, University of Florida, University of Texas, University of Wisconsin, University of Minnesota, University of California Los Angeles, University of California San Diego, Berkeley, Stanford, University of Hawaii and the University of Washington. Cliffe spoke on these campuses in front of the Student Union or Library at noon for five to ten minutes. At the close of his initial remarks, he'd open up the time for questions and answers, which usually turned into a two to four hour dialogue with students. His crowd size ranged from 25 - 500 students at a time, and between classes, new students would join the discussion. This is an extremely effective way to reach a large number of university students with the Gospel of Christ.
Cliff, you spoke at my school occasionally, CHS, in Trumbull, when I was younger (maybe 20 years ago). I turned away from Christianity around ten years ago. Christian apologetics forced me to decide to follow God or disavow Him. I've been drawn back to Him. I always appreciated what you do. Thanks for doing what you do. It does make a difference. I've been studying apologetics ever since I came back to Christ about 6 years ago. It has become A profound Passion of mine.
@@haywardjeblomey6505 The only one who is imagining things here is you.
Interesting that apologetics is a passion of yours. It was mine as well back when I was a believer. Josh McDowell "Evidence that demands a verdict" as well as many others were in my collection. A.E. Wilder Smith as well. But I discovered later I could no longer defend this religion.
Interesting though
@@haywardjeblomey6505 you know how much time I spend making fun of flat earthers on youtube? None. Because I truly believe they're silly.
Given your dogmatic faith in positivism, the fact that you're watching these videos is very odd, and belies your confidence. I think you're searching for something. I hope you find it.
@@lawrenceeason8007 then why are you here?
@@kaufmanat1 are you looking for a purpose why we are here? If so I'm not sure why...lol
Purpose is imbued by minds. Since I don't believe in a god I'm not sure the question applies
Praise God for Cliff and his work. Amen
I love the way you worded that!
I’m from Haiti, and he is so right 💯💯🙏🏾💯
Praise and Glory be unto our Lord and Saviour Yeshua.
🙏🕎🦁
Cliff, if you are reading this, I want to thank you. Your videos have helped me grow my faith in Christ. Keep up the good work, sir.
Im glad to see that the guy with baphomet on his
t-shirt is obviously understanding most of what he's hearing from Cliffe and Stuart.
GraftedOliveBranch Faith is more than understanding. The Bible says to be careful how you hear. Those who have will receive more, but those who don’t have, even what they appear to have will be taken from them.
I think this means that if you hear the truth and reject it as the word of God, or understand but still choose to ignore it, that you will lose faith and sooner or later become reprobate. This is a danger even for Christians who refuse to live after Christ (those who will call him Lord and say what they did in his name, but who will hear “I never knew you”.
I hope he heard, accepted, and applied. It’s our responsibility to pray for those who hear the gospels.
Longer videos of you two on the street please 🙂
So glad that student did what Cliff said and went back and read the gospels and then put his faith in Christ
Another fanatic video clip thanks Cliff. Grace and Peace.
Interesting Freudian slip, highly appropriate.
Love Cliffe🙏🏾🙏🏾💯💯
I love This Guy!!!
"" Wailing , weeping , and gnashing if teeth ""
Pretty immoral isn't it
@@lawrenceeason8007 based on whose standard of morality?
@@groache1501 based on well being
WISHBONEL7 There seems to be 3 reasons in scripture that opposes the idea of being tortured in hell in perpetuity.
1. They perish in hell
2. God destroys both body and soul in hell.
3. The wages of sin are death.
2 Peter 3:9King James Version (KJV)
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
Matthew 10:28 King James Version (KJV)
28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
"He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death."
Revelation 2:11, KJV
"Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years."
Revelation 20:6, KJV
"And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death."
Revelation 20:14, KJV
"But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death."
Revelation 21:8, KJ
In opposition to this we have their worm perished not.
And the smoke of their torment
Revelation 14:11 King James Version (KJV)
11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
Mark 9:48 King James Version (KJV)
48 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
Clearly it’s not clear.
It could be either way.
Either burning in hell forever.
Or eventually getting destroyed in hell.
If we factor into the equation some wisdom we will wonder why would God deem it so necessary to have people in hell in excruciating pain for trillions and trillions of years. Year upon year.
It doesn’t seem in keeping with the justice of God.
Therefore maybe it’s appropriate to say that God probably does destroy them in hell.
I don’t know about you but it would tend to ruin my day in heaven if I knew there were souls writhing in hell in excruciating agony forever and ever and ever.
But that’s just me.
Maybe you are cool with that.
@@paulwilfridhunt either way it is immoral
The evidence is undeniable
👍🏾, God is more than logical. Pain and suffering is a gift from God that makes the elect crave his love and justice. When he comes many will have wished for more pain because God is glorified through it. Pain is special because it makes you value.
I dunno, sounds kinda masochistic to me.
Thanks ! Amen.
amen amen amen
Thank you!
My niece came into the world and suffered terrible for 6 months then died, I still love Christ and live for him.
God Bless ou
I live in the UK, but I would like to see one of your church services, Cliffe. Is there any chance you would record and upload one?
facebook.com/GraceCommunityChurchNewCanaan/videos/453745885310859?sfns=mo
They post every Sunday, you also can watch it live
@@IgorUA95 Thanks bro
Also here: www.gracecommunity.info/sunday-sermons
Though more are on FaceBook.
nabukwe Thanks
Christianity is not the only worldwide religion -- Vaishnavism is also practiced extensively all over the planet.
SACRIFICE
The very idea that a god, a god that could have fashioned any method for redemption, chose bloodshed and suffering for his method. The idea that this god chose sacrifice, and blood sacrifice at that, is telling about such a god. And It tells us that such a god would be incomprehensibly immoral....if indeed it existed
Can u show how most Christians come from África Ásia and Américas ? Cos from what I see online most are Europeans and Americans which goes completely against what you meantioned , I’m very interested in what you have to show please
Will you be putting these on iTunes?
There is no historical evidence, just what it says in one fictional book that was copied from older mythologies.
If we take into consideration that we believe, what should be easy to believe, but we wouldn’t be able believe, the easiest of things to believe, namely God, without the gift of faith from God.
It’s because the powers of Satan are so strong they will overcome and overpower us unless God intervenes.
However God only gives the gift of faith to those whom He knows will be faithful and true.
Therefore let’s not forget that it’s not up to us. It’s up to God. Although really it’s up to the individual. And based upon the individuals decision to be either for or against God, will depend on whether or not God is for them.
Sometimes when we are perplexed by those who won’t go God’s way, let’s not forget that if God isn’t giving them the gift of faith it’s because He knows that it’s not going to do them any good. Therefore He passes that soul by.
It’s up to God. Not us.
But ultimately it’s up to the individual.
Pray for those with fervent prayer for God to spare those whom you love.
Your prayers might be part of the plan.
Part of the whole enchilada.
doug nut can you be more specific.
What is your question.
Without the insults if you please
doug nut Yes God knows what you’re having for breakfast tomorrow and actually he knows exactly to the nth degree what you’re going to do tomorrow minute by minute.
God allowed Satan into this world allowing him to tempt us to rebel against God. God knew that we would become greater creatures if we could eventually overcome the temptations and join forces with God.
But God knows that if He doesn’t help out those whom He knows will turn to Him, if the circumstances are just right to do so, they won’t be able to turn to Him because the powers of Satan are too strong.
Therefore God arranged the life of those whom He knows will turn to Him, so they can, But God doesn’t bother with those who are never going to turn to Him.
No God doesn’t threaten us with hell but He warns us of its dangers.
He uses hell as a place to eventually punish the mutinous rebellious angels who rebelled against Him and also, whilst we are not absolutely sure about this, But it looks like He will eventually destroy them there along with those people here on earth who told Him to drop dead.
God doesn’t need love or worship. He’s not hanging out for it. He commands it because He knows it’s the only way we can begin to synergise with Him and join forces with Him and eventually become one with Him.
I’ll send you another post that covers the other issue you raised about God ordering genocide
doug nut All religions with the exception of Judaism and Christianity, which did come from God, although to a large extent have been hijacked by the mind controllers, are essentially just glorified witch doctors to control the people to bring order to society and protect the Status Quo.
Some of these control mechanisms from ancient yesterday were very crushing and they created the most obedient people to the State.
They invented one particular religion to do this. And this involved having to throw your first born child into the fire in a sacrificial ceremony and listen to it scream to death as it died in the flames.
This religion crushed the people.
You might say how could such a thing happen?
It happens.
We know that they killed 6 million Jews 75 years ago. They killed little girls. Little boys. They killed women and girls. They just killed and killed and killed and they wouldn’t have stopped killing unless we stopped them, which we did.
But those ancient religions that sacrificed infants were much more brainwashed than the Nazis who were only around for 10 or 15 years.
These pagan people who sacrificed their children had been going for yonks and the rot had set in.
They all had to be destroyed otherwise from the ashes another Hitler could have risen up and restarted the whole thing wanting revenge for the killing his brainwashed child killing parents.
Yes God told the children of Israel to destroy them all but it was necessary. That’s how bad it was in those days.
If you want to say you know better than God then ok say it, But God knows best even if you think you know better.
doug nut well said
doug nut I’ve done a few videos.
They are a bit rough around the edges.
Mostly did them so I could do a bit of work from the grave when I’m 6 foot under pumping up daisies.
I’m already into bonus territory so I thought I better be prepared.
This one on the link below is one of the shorter ones.
But there’s plenty more.
Truck loads.
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Whats cliffs belief on hell, does he believe it is forever while conscious or does he believe that you will be annihilated? curious.
I think he believes hell is eternal, and it is conscious. Annihilation is a belief of jehovahs witnesses, not generally a Christian belief.
@@kaufmanat1 Stan, have you given that concept of eternal hell, and it being conscious some serious thought?.. I can't think of anything truly more horrific than being locked into some eternal damnation/punishment that had no end. Stan, think of the biggest number you can envisage in your head.. whatever number you come up with, in terms of years, that number pales into insignificance compared to eternity, it would be like a drop in the ocean.. I cannot think of any single human being that has ever lived who would deserve such a punishment that went on in perpetuity with no chance of respite or relief, not even Hitler himself. Some serious wrongdoers here on earth are certainly given extremely harsh sentences.. but at some point, that person will die and his pain will mercifully end. Eternal hell is a human concept that people haven't really given serious thought as to the real ramifications of what that would entail If God exists, and he truly IS a God of mercy, eternal hell would be something he would ensure would not exist.
@@bonnie43uk hell is something I've spent a significant amount of time considering.
Eternity certainly is a long time. I have considered that a lifetime (about 80 years), is less than A drop in the ocean for eternity. It certainly seems unfair.
The only way I can think about it, for it to make any sense, is for hell not to be where God sends sinners as punishment. Hell is what we choose when we don't choose God. Hell is for those who would rather be their own god, rather than follow God.
Will there be an option to opt out? God only knows. Will eternity be a steady state? God sent his Son to die once. I have no idea what His plans are for eternity. He may provide a new option later.
All I know for sure, no one will be looking at what God is doing and saying it isn't fair or that it isn't justified...
@@kaufmanat1 Well, you say "Hell is what we choose when we don't choose God", For me, I haven't seen any credible evidence of God, no part of me would choose to go to a place of eternal damnation, that is a horrific thought. If God is a God of love and forgiveness, and we're told he is, then no part of him would create a place in which his creation would suffer for eternity. As you may have guessed, I'm a non believer... raised as a Christian, but gradually came to the conclusion that there probably isn't a God, and that it's down to us humans to make this world a better place, if belief in a God helps you in life, that fine with me, regardless of what God you believe in. I believe this is the only life we have, so it makes it more precious that we should make the most of it while we're here. The idea of infinite punishment for finite crimes is abhorrent. Good to hear your views Stan :-)
Bible teaches second death. It is not forever torment
The devil was physically a dragon/serpent so I wouldn't say he is just a spiritual being
Wasn't Hitler catholic? Didn't Nazi belts have the slogan "God with us"
A man named Rick went to the University of Vermont encountered a campus evangelist much like Cliffe Knechtle. I respect Rick because he had GUTS of which I often envy. He challenged the campus evangelist with one question that made the evangelist back down. His challenge went like this, "If I believe the gospel message you are preaching to me can you give me a 100% guarantee that I will go to Heaven?" To his shame the campus evangelist backed down, plainly & sheepishly said "no". If a campus evangelist is teaching or preaching a message that does not include eternal security then what basis can you trust that you will go to Heaven if he cannot trust that even the preacher himself will go to Heaven? Can someone say they stand or fall 99% on Jesus Christ and 1% on my staying on the road between the guide rails? In Pennsylvania we no longer have GUARD RAILS. We now have GUIDE rails. The difference is a LEGAL TERM because a car cannot crash a guard rail but can a guide rail that is designed not to guarantee a vehicle to stop from going over a steep hill or cliff but rather keep a vehicle sliding in certain bounds at only certain angles & speeds if veering off. No one can sue the State or the company that made the rails if their car went over the cliff in spite of the rails for false advertizing. If at any time I believe in Jesus I become His property regardless of how I behave or what I say do or think. Pastor Rick over time eventually believed & taught that once a man properly believed & placed their faith in Christ alone & His work alone for salvation that they would become from that point on eternally secure from that point on with an unconditional eternal security that thereafter did not depend on what they did said thought hoped or were motivated by. The only unpardonable sin therefore was ONE SIN ALONE of OMISSION of believing not any sin of COMMISSION. The initial faith in Christ had to be CLEAN FAITH in that initial trust had to be without regard to our works which at best could earn a person a reward post regeneration but never secure, assist or become a requirement for securing or earning one's entrance into eternal life which had to happen at the new birth. Being an over comer is different than being saved. Living a Christian life is different than being a believer that Jesus with His work alone is enough. After that Rick came under mentors which followed the basic theology of Lewis Sperry Chafer of Dallas Theological Seminary. The first serious pastor I ever encountered was Pastor Dean Nale of Northgate Bible Baptist church. He also came from the school of Dallas Theological Seminary. This man taught me that our relationship to God was like being born. If you get born you cannot become unborn. If you are born into the family of Smith you cannot cease to be a son or daughter of Smith. That was relationship which is like steel bars holding us eternally secure in Christ. Our fellowship was compared to a spider's web or a single piece of fine thread. Fellowship could be easily broken & was difficult to secure. Living a Christian life is like following a delicate thread through the maze of this world. Relationship once properly secured as a free gift where you stopped offering God your works of righteousness, your life, your devotion, your substance, your time your talents etc in exchange for salvation but rather received His gift through one time belief was impossible to escape once secured. Pastor Rick likewise would get up on the podium & warn you that if you never believed & you still want to go to Hell do not ever believe for once you do there is no way out of the new birth or the adoption or the baptism into the body of Christ. Pastor Rick also would get up & recite a whole lot of Gospel errors that false evangelists preach as saving faith. These included terms such as commit your life to Christ, Surrender to Christ, Get water baptized dunked or sprinkled by every formula in every stream lake & ocean out there, walk this aisle, raise your hand, take communion, join this Church, have sorrow or remorse for your sins make a lying or impossible to fullfill promise to stop sinning, make a public confession or profession, invite Jesus in to your heart into your life or whatever, pray a prayer. In fact a person could get saved WHILE SINNING if they heard & believed the gospel during whatsoever it was they were not supposed to be doing. Repentance was not turning from sins but rather to change ones mind about the Person and finished work of Jesus Christ, His person birth life mission death resurrection ascension session intercession etc. For well over 40 years or more this man taught this doctrine faithfully and took painstaking measures to exegete it from the scriptures. Unlike many dispensationists, Rick also taught that works were NEVER a requirement for salvation only faith alone in every age and dispensation from Genesis through Revelation. Unlike Scofield dispensationalism, He taught that in every age there were many commandments appropriate to that dispensation and many inappropriate to whatever economy you were regenerated into but salvation was always eternally secured by faith alone. I hate to admit this but after 40 or more years of faithfully teaching this doctrine that faith alone was necessary to escape eternal punishment Pastor Rick began first to teach a partial preterism instead of pre mill pre trib disp, then veered into conditional immortality ie. the annihilation of the unbelieving then finally landed on the square of a form of Trinitarian universalism that would save all mankind during the regeneration of all matter in the universe including Satan, devils &and demons. Therefore I tell you salvation had better be without regard to works or none of us can be saved including Pastor Rick or Cliffe Knechtle. During those years which Pastor Rick preached the Dallas doctrine (with a few twists) my joy just soared into the zone approaching ecstasy at times. I was even healed of a serious mental illness though Rick dont preach healing. After he began to teach doctrines that were so strange to what he previously taught, I finally got tired of it & left the church of Pastor Rick & never came back. For me to say the man is unsaved is to deny that grace once secured is without regard to the works it may or may fail to produce. The grace of God will never fail us but we can fail it & run off the road & go into the ditch or over the cliff even into rank heresy. If at the end of whatever life we, who had cleanly believed, live, do not enter Heaven, then is grace still grace though we the losers secure no reward? Can therefore someone who has produced works appropriate to a Christian faith have never been saved? Yes if their faith for salvation was never in their thinking without regard to the works their lives may or may not produce be they good or evil. We can even look at men such as Billy Graham and see where he was going astray also. th-cam.com/video/lUcMg0PyvxY/w-d-xo.html We see Ravi Zacharias and the devastation he left behind www.christianitytoday.com/news/2021/february/ravi-zacharias-rzim-investigation-sexual-abuse-sexting-rape.html The principle remains: Though no sin is ever justified all sin is paid for in Jesusand made effective for those that have believed.
I am an atheist. Ask me anything.
Jordan Jackson Yes I am
Scott Jackson aren’t you christians supposed to believe?
Qeustion? What would a good reason to believe in God?
We who ask others to be real must be real ourselves.
Are we being real?
No we are not, when we refuse to acknowledge that it’s because of fortuitous circumstances that, be it Paul from Tarsus, or Cliffe from the campus, or a Haitian in a shack, that we are the believers that we are, because of the help from God in the form of predestination.
Let’s argue with each other but not with the Bible.
The Bible alerts us to the existence of predestination.
Why?
Those of us who have been on the road for quite a while, recognise that they could have missed the boat, missed out on their salvation, if they didn’t have the life that God gave them, which made their repentance possible.
Presumably God predestinates because He deems it necessary.
But he doesn’t predestinate all.
Why would He predestine one and not another?
Why would He choose one and not another?
On what basis would this be?
Would it be because of their good looks?
Or maybe it’s because they keep their rooms tidy?
What is the reason?
And why does He do it?
Is it not logical to conclude that He does it because it’s necessary?
Could it be that if He doesn’t predestinate some then none will be saved?
Here is a possible answer which seems to make a lot of sense.
The tempting powers of Satan are so strong that unless God helps out those whom He knows will turn to Him, by arranging their lives in such a way that they can repent, then without this arranging they actually won’t be able to repent.
On this basis none would be saved without His predestination.
Maybe we don’t know absolutely for sure who will and who won’t go all the way with God.
But this we do know.
If we aren’t predestined we can’t be saved.
Obviously God only predestinates those whom He knows will go all the way with Him in grateful loving obedience.
And whilst it’s possible for God to do anything He won’t do the wrong thing.
He won’t predestinate one against their innate will. To do so would be wrong.
There are going to be people who never hear about Christ, maybe lost tribes in the middle of the Amazon jungle.
But nevertheless it’s not going to come down to whether or not they hear the gospel or not, although surely God will see to it that those whom He has predestined will get the gospel message;
But instead it’s going to come down to whether or not they are predestined, which might mean some of those in a shanty town in Haiti or a smattering of people in New York City.
The bottom line is this.
We as evangelists are looking for those whom God has pre-chosen because only these can be saved.
I think it’s ok to preach predestination and explain to people and say hey if in actuality they are someone who ultimately is going to turn to Christ then they are going to do exactly that. Now or later.
And if they never do it’s because God didn’t help them to do it because He knew they weren’t really going to be up for it.
Let’s tell it like it is.
Let’s be real.
Is predestination like determinism?
ONESTEPAHEAD I actually don’t know what determinism is but thank you for asking.
I’m not really a scholarly type at all.
I am an uneducated person.
However it seems appropriate that I should be lumped in with the class of the thinkers.
Nevertheless it seems quite clear to me that what I know of the Calvinists view of predestination doesn’t seem right.
Apparently my view is called the Armenian view.
I’m not sure but I think the only difference between me and the Armenians is the reason why I believe God predestinate.
And I think that’s because the powers of Satan are so strong that we can’t even repent unless God helps us to do it, by predestinating or orchestrating our lives with a life that makes that possible.
But He doesn’t do this unless we are those who will repent.
And those whom He knows won’t repent and go all the way with Him, He does not predestinate.
1. God created human beings with free will
2. Free will enables/allows sin and bad behavior
3. God not only does it anyway but KNOWS his design will result in sin and bad behavior
4. Knowing his flawed design/plan, he doesn't improve or change it and follows through.
His decision. His plan. His fault
First!!!!!
This is a huge disappointment Cliffe. You are simply appealing to their emotions and you provided no scripture proof about hell, death, judgment, dying, well pretty much the plan of God for them.
Rarely have I seen such arrogance in a youtube comment.
If someone actually reads the new testament, they would become an atheist. It is obviously not about a god, just another preacher that thought the world was going to end soon just like preachers are still claiming today. Why would a god behave like Jesus did? If god wants to know he exists, why not give us some evidence?
Theres plenty of evidence. You just have to search for it. All of the creation screams that god exists. Jesus was doing miracles and teaching like no one ever had before. Had thousands of people follow him around. Also to really understand new testament you have to read the old one where theres a lot of predictions about Jesus. For example read Isaiah 53. If you really think god doesnt exist its because science/teaching conditions us into not thinking about things and looking around. Nothing doesnt create something
@@Janppa If there is plenty of evidence, why not list it? Some stories written down by people who weren't even eye witnesses, is pretty poor evidence. Would you believe any other story in a book like that? Why aren't you a Muslim or a Hindu? They have story books also. How did you choose between them? Science teaching has taught me to look around, precisely the opposite of what your religion has done to you. You seem to only be looking around in one book. If you think the entire Bible is the word of a god, how do you explain the support of slavery? Do you think your god is in favor of people owning other people? If nothing doesn't create something, where did your god come from? Where are his parents and relatives?
@@jollyandwaylo What kind of evidence would you accept? Even atheists support the history that Jesus existed and died on the cross. Then you have multiple people who testified that he raised from the death and died for this belief. Then you can look at validity of bible. Is it accurate to history? Evidence to look for that bible is word of God : Fullfilled prophecies in the bible, Intelligent design, impossibility of creation without creator. Im still investigating this stuff myself and finding more and more information. I dont have all the answers. But im constantly searching for more information. I'd recommend series by Mike Winger where he goes over many fulfilled prophecies.
What personally convinced me ? Being filled with Holy Spirit testifies that God is real and i can feel him. Seeing the love in other christians. That caused me to wanna learn more and i still do.
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Theres a lot more material those are just two things that came to my mind and you should search for this stuff yourself aswell and not just believe me. There are people who have investigated this stuff for tens of years so i would recommend looking them up.
@@Janppa What kind of evidence would you accept you convince you to become a Hindu? I have no problem with the claim that Jesus existed though I don't accept all the claims about him or that he said all the things that are claimed. Where are the multiple people who claimed that Jesus raised from the dead? What are their names? We don't even know who wrote the gospels. The terrorists who crashed jets on 9/11 died for their beliefs, are you now a Muslim because of that? Validity of the Bible? We know a lot of things in the Bible never happened. Fulfilled prophecies? Like where Jesus says the world will end and he will return during the lifetimes of the people in front of them? False prophet unless you are claiming there are people somewhere that are over 2,000 years old. Impossibility of a universe without a creator? Then who created god? I see love by people who aren't Christians so that isn't an argument for Christianity. Filled with the Holy Spirit? That is just gobbledy gook pushed by preachers. Give me a definition that makes sense or you might has well be speaking Martian. I was raised Christian but I took it seriously so I did study and found it has no basis in reality. I was able to quickly go through your list and point out what is wrong with every one without spending much time at all. You are like a child who believes everything they've been told but the person telling them is lying to them. You can't even tell me why you are a Christian and not a Muslim or Hindu or any one of the thousands of religions. Do you believe in Thor or Zeus? If not, you know how I feel about all claims of gods. Bring some evidence. Imagine something you don't believe in, like maybe a dragon in my garage, and ask yourself what evidence would you need from me to convince you I have a dragon in my garage. Give me that kind of evidence. If god is everywhere and all powerful, it should be easy because my dragon is only in my garage and isn't all powerful.
I don't have enough evidence to be a Christian
Is your belief in a different religion or are you agnostic, atheist?
what evidence are you struggling with or looking for?
@@triplea6174 atheist/anti theist/agnostic.
@@noorabzs not struggling, just pointing out that there is a lack of evidence. After thousands of years there still isn't sufficient evidence for a god
@@lawrenceeason8007 what evidence do you need? What is conclusive for you?
I'd love to see his son's sources for these miracle claims that he asserts so glibly around the 7min. mark. Otherwise its just mendacious, dishonest posturing.
go to www.google.com and look up accounts for yourself, don't be ethnocentric
@@JeezyF well, i'd be skeptical regardless of the cultural or ethnic origin of miracle claims.
@@JeezyF As most of us know, The Times sits behind a paywall, so its not freely available to search. However if you have a link, please post it.
I did a search on google and came up with these abominations;
www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-38063882
www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/bleach-miracle-cure-chlorine-dioxide-genesis-church-banned-mms-a8879086.html
Is this or something similar the sort of garbage Stuart is attempting to convey?
The documented miracles of apparitions and healings have been best recorded by the Roman Catholic church.
If you discount their findings at the time, you can decide based on their having educated experienced people there who examined before and after.
Ultimately, it takes faith because of our own failing.
We don't have the ability to put God in a box and judge.
That's blasphemy.
It's one of the worst ways to sin.
You can get books about the documentation of witnesses and doctors etc who attested to the events they witnessed. They do not enjoy proving things for non believers before they have a chance to believe as God would have it occur in them.
every time hell is describes its never physical torture jesus always use the words weeping and gnashing of teeth and other verses used tormented
that indicates to me hell will be a place of severe physiological torture because you will see what God truly is the living embodiment of love, hope, and justice and creativity and wisdom and you will now miss that forever that sort regret will be so bad on mind it might as well be physical torture knowing you disobeyed god and for what nothing really but only to follow your fleeting selfish desires when you could have been going for the real thing the memories playing in people heads of their past life will torture to them as they compare it to the glory of God they now will not take part in forever
Reuben Lyimo The thing is Reuben is that Jesus says to fear him who can destroy the body and soul in hell.
Matthew 10:28 King James Version (KJV)
28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
For those of us believers who are prone to be thinkers we might be inclined to wonder why God deemed it so necessary to create hell in the first place.
But apparently it is necessary otherwise He would not have crested it.
And although we might not fully appreciate in its entirety God’s reasonings for the creation of hell, however we can conjecture or kick around are few ideas as to the why of it all, can’t we.
This is some thoughts I have on the subject.
I think maybe He created hell for 3 reasons.
1. To punish
2. To destroy the soul
3. To bring souls to their senses before destruction.
God destroys the soul but He doesn’t do it until the soul eventually comes to its senses by completely recognising their utter foolishness for opposing God in whatever format that was in, be it atheism or disobedience.
But if God should destroy the soul before it comes to its senses when it’s still maintaining its right to not worship God, it will result in a contamination of the atmosphere. And as God is eventually going to completely eradicate every trace of sin from the universe He has to make sure that the indignant attitude harboured by the impenitent towards Him is also eradicated.
Perhaps souls in hell initially will be cursing God but this has to stop.
And when it eventually stops,
when they allow themselves to realise they have been deceiving themselves, then God destroys them as though they never existed.
When the flood came everyone wanted to get on the ark. They then believed.
But nevertheless they still would have liked to have won. They still would have liked to have been right although they knew they were wrong when the flood came.
When they go to hell they know they were wrong but they still would have liked to have been right.
But it’s not until they allow themselves to realise that they were wrong for wanting to be right in their opposition to God, that God can put them out of their misery.
One way or another people will come to their senses. Obviously it’s better to do it now rather than letting the torment of hell do it for them which it surely will do.
@@paulwilfridhunt interesting view
Reuben Lyimo thank you Reuben
Cliffe has said many many times to the students he converses with on-campus that we need to read the gospels of Matthew Mark Luke and John as historical narrative, the problem I think comes when we read tales of supernatural magic, it gets a little hard ( for me anyway) to accept that is historical narrative. There is no evidence from what I've experienced in life over 6 decades that magic ( things which defy the laws of nature) occurs. I don't know of too many *historical* events that involved verified supernatural occurrences.
That’s why he’s saying take it as historical and the supernatural will prove its validity and trustworthiness.
@@user-mg1jp2qf7h Yes, but that's what I'm saying Hayden, it hasn't proven it' validity and trustworthiness, least not from what I've seen.. or maybe not seen, over a long period of time. .. I've heard lots of claims, but that's all they are ..claims with no validity.
The cluster of miracles that Jesus performed were unique in all the history of the world. We will see those sorts of miracles and much more when He returns. Keep reading scripture though. The answers you seek are in there. God bless.
@@bonnie43uk People don't believe because of the historical accuracy of the Gospels. There must be an inner working of the Holy Spirit on a person's heart allowing them to believe. I tell every atheist I know that you won't be able to see the truth of the Gospels until you have passed from death to life. Cliff is telling these students to examine the Gospels as a way of planting the seed within them. Only God does the saving.
@@prodigalbear2470 I would agree with you that those miracles as told in the New Testament are certainly unique, I just have more than a nagging doubt that they didn't actually occur, humans have a propensity to exaggerate the truth when it comes to the supernatural. We tend to see things that, when looked at in the cold light of day, didn't happen, or we were mistaken. I'm not sure I'm seeking answers as such, I just find these conversations very interesting. Good to hear your view though. I know I am heavily outnumbered here aswell :-)
So, in my many posts and repeated questions no theist has ever demonstrated why god was so incredibly immoral by:
1. Not creating a world where no suffering ever happened...either for humans or animals. The choice to create suffering by this god makes it barbaric
2. Punishing billions of people with death and all the suffering that goes with it for the sin of one person...Adam. This is also an unspeakable abomination.
The story of this bible is of a god that has displayed poor design judgement and given that theists claim that this god is all powerful and omniscient, the fact that this god chose not to eliminate suffering demonstrates this god is not good and the story is a lie
Its impossible to create a world without suffering if people have free will. Would you want to be a robot who has no control? Does God cause the suffering? No. We do. Everyone has a choice to do good or bad but most of the world prefers to live in selfishness and without caring about others. I was doing it for a long time aswell and still struggle to care about people. Everyone has a free choice to either turn to god or not. God allows people to do bad things and allows everyone to learn from their mistakes and repent.
@@Janppa why is it impossible? So god is not omnipotent? Why can't you create free will without creating suffering? Design people in a world where they can't get harmed.
Was there suffering in Eden? Then why include suffering in the fall?
@@lawrenceeason8007 Its impossible as long as there are people who dont want (free will) it but God allows that aswell. Imagine if God instantly killed people who did something evil. There would be no free will. Then you have to ask. Is it worth it? I think it is if i didnt experience the fruit of just living for myself i wouldnt have realised how empty it makes me. How can you learn that love is better than hate? By observing a world filled with hate and wanting a change. Imagine how much more you will appreciate it. Was there suffering in Eden? No dont think so.
So why is there suffering after the fall? God shows us that without his help things will be hard. Without him we wouldnt have food or water without working for it. I think thats the lesson that we should appreciate what he has given us. Ofc this is a more complicated subject and im sure there are better answers out there if you search for them. You have great questions and im glad you are interested to think about them
@@Janppa so why did he have to stop helping? That is enabling suffering right? Would you just abandon your children like that so they can suffer? I wouldn't.
My overall question is...could god have designed this world without suffering or not?
If he could have, but didn't, then he is a moral monster
If he couldn't, then he is not omnipotent
Either way the biblical story is called into question
@@lawrenceeason8007 What makes you think he stopped helping? We stopped asking for help. We abandoned him. Read old testament and you will see time after time Israel abandoned God and he kept taking them back. We decided we wanna be our own God. But anyone who asks for his forgiveness genuinely and help will receive it. Maybe not in the way you think but he gave us Holy Spirit to give us guidance for example. We just aren't ready to receive most of his gifts. Jesus died for us.
Then to your next question. Could he have designed the world without suffering? with free will? Don't think so. He gave us free will because of love. Free will causes suffering but its worth it imo
Good thing this guy isn't a lawyer. His evidence is all about personal opinion
Lawyers bend the perception of law to the juries opinions and feelings. If they're a good lawyer lol. But obviously they use the law as well for the basis of argument.