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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 18 ก.ย. 2019
- Cliffe Knechtle has a great conversation with college students at a campus in the southwest US.
The "Give Me An Answer" ministry began as an outgrowth of the dialogues Cliffe Knechtle has had with students on various university campuses throughout the United States. These universities include the University of Maine, Harvard, MIT, University of Florida, University of Texas, University of Wisconsin, University of Minnesota, University of California Los Angeles, University of California San Diego, Berkeley, Stanford, University of Hawaii and the University of Washington. Cliffe spoke on these campuses in front of the Student Union or Library at noon for five to ten minutes. At the close of his initial remarks, he'd open up the time for questions and answers, which usually turned into a two to four hour dialogue with students. His crowd size ranged from 25 - 500 students at a time, and between classes, new students would join the discussion. This is an extremely effective way to reach a large number of university students with the Gospel of Christ.
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I so love your videos. Thank you and blessings to you.
That stance he goes into cracks me up everytime 🤣 God bless you Cliffe!!
I loved that transition from Cliffe to his son
5:58 I love that in the background
Cliffe always come from a point of reason and logic. Even though we cannot fully understand God fully using our mind but we know from the scriptures that we know in part and we also understand in part.
Love your videos guys. I learn a lot. God bless from Australia.
Very educational and encouraging! Thank you so much for all your hard word. And God bless you, and keep you! 🙏🏻💜
It's so funny, you can always tell with someone's line of questions when they are genuinely asking questions and when they are just trying to trap cliff. Lol
The second guy was just trying to trap cliff.
Thank you!
God created me and I worship him not because he needs me, but for my own benefit.
Thank-you for sharing that pearl of wisdom.
When someone says why does God want worship/love/honor/respect, ...if ya are a parent, wouldnt ya want ya kid to love ya? to honor ya? to respect ya? to believe ya? to praise and understand how good of a parent ya are’? So if ya who brought a child into the world want the same thing, why wouldnt the Creator want that? And have we not all have the same Father that created us? (malachi 2 verse 10)
I think I could've answered that one kid a little better. When he was asking about God knowing the past, present & future. Then wondering what is the purpose if God already knows the "outcome". God gave us FREE-WILL... Yes he know's what we've done in our past. Yes, he knows what we're currently doing & YES He knows the "Final" result of our future no matter which path WE choose!. But you still have FREE-WILL & can change your mind at any time n alter your paths... But based on those decisions you're making today... He already knows/sees where all the paths END!. It doesn't take anything away from the importance of our LIFE though... Cause he doesn't know EXACTLY what we're going to CHOOSE! till we've made a decision!. So therefore he loves to watch us grow and see which PATH we do decide to CHOOSE!.
you just contradicted yourself.
Possible answer to the man's question about God being outside of time. Yes, he knows past present and future, but he lives in the present. Yes, God knows all, every possible eventuality of everyone's lives at any given instant. He knows that and delights in us turning to him, knowing that at any moment mankind can turn away at any point in the short life we live. He can see every time we turn to him and from him or to something else throughout our lives. I personally believe God can be excited in seeing where the choice goes, even knowing the choice that was made itself, God will respect and love us in that. He knows every turn of our lives before we do and he's watching always knowing where each turn could be or is. We do not. Just because he knows the ending and the choices along the way doesn't me he doesn't delight in us making it along the journey
He's obvs never had alot pain in his life otherwise he would understand the lessons it teachers and pain make you grow in so many ways
I can see the future. In my future is my next meal. I know what the effects of that meal will be: taking on nutrients, body repair and renewal, further down the road time spent on the porcelain throne, hopefully with a good read, etc.
So what value is there in eating?
God has things for us to do and, especially, to learn in "future" events. Knowing about them in advance does not get them done.
Keep up the good fight
I have never heard that and I like it, the eternal now.
Yes it’s true to say that there are some extremely intelligent atheists.
However intelligence doesn’t necessarily denote wisdom does it.
Is it wise to say there is no God when there is a God?
Those who say there is no God, don’t know that they are actually saying these dreadful things because it makes them feel important.
And their lack of wisdom precludes them from realising this. Therefore intelligence and wisdom are not always found strolling along hand in hand, are they.
If they were wise they would realise that they have bought into atheism because their eradication of the existence of God has simultaneously removed the infinite greatness of God from the equation, which has enhanced their greatness and feelings of confidence because of it.
Therefore the good quenching effects resulting from God’s greatness that reduces our greatness is unfortunately removed, allowing their greatness to flourish without being appropriately impeded by the greatness of God.
To this they are completely oblivious to, hence the statement at the outset of my post stating that intelligence doesn’t necessarily denote wisdom.
Interestingly enough there is a correlation between the atheists and Satan.
They both made a mistake.
They both elected to stop worshipping God.
I recommend everyone who watches this and loves it like I do also watch Dr Frank Turek who is amazing as well. He goes back with the science of the Big bang to prove the existence of God and it is an amazing story it is proof.
Also Kent Hovind! He has the best explanations on the big bang. Heres a video th-cam.com/video/L1RAGJWUrWg/w-d-xo.html
Yes I am a subscriber to his channel ... I have learned so much from him and Cliffe !! And a few others... I've claimed to be a believer for years but it was just empty words but by Gods awesome grace it recently dawned on me the how much of a miracle life is! He has been opening my eyes more and more daily... I am now a member of a church and I have bible study with a few co workers and my pastor every Tuesday in my home... I'm SO grateful for him and his grace and redemption!! I am not worthy! But by the grace of God! ❤️
I came to know jesus without knowing the bible or anyone talking to me about him and i thank him everyday 🙏🙏🙏
That first kid was all over the place. I have no idea what he was trying to get at. I’m not sure he himself did
7:21
HOW DID NOBODY SEE THE SIGN HIT THE DUDES HIT IN THE BACKGROUND
7:19 hehe poor guy
15:20
This guy seems to be presuming that the gaining of new knowledge is the source of all meaning. It is understandable that certain personalities would accept this concept, especially in modern scientistic culture, but it is a presumption.
Yeah, just because I have knowledge of amusement parks, it doesn't mean I won't enjoy riding a rollercoaster.
These people asked very good questions. I particularly liked the guy with glasses' clever questions. Cliffe did extremely well but I've come to a slightly different conclusion than just God seeing past, present and future all at once. Other options are available.
saint paul. Well, that question, I could not answer satisfactorily for a long time. I meditated on scriptures, and pray. It started with Adam and Eve. If God already knows the future, which he does, how could I reconcile that? You might know about determinism, Calvinism, and Open Theism and Arminianism, to me, they did not fully explain the issue at hand. At this point in time I believe the following: in the Bible around 1/3 is prophecy. I believe that 1/3 is predetermined by God, you see multiple examples throughout Scriptures of that, another 1/3 is prophecy, mostly God sees into the future by cause and effect with a 99.99% certainty, and 1/3 is also free will. You could say that 66% is free-will all in all but these are just my opinion figures. In fact, in the Bible, I can think of two occasions where God shows us that prophecy can change. So this might freak you out, but with an analogy, the Back to the Future movie, part of the future is not set in stone. Perhaps by giving free-will God limited himself partially for his love to us, in not fully determining it. So God see the future but it can still change, and I'm not referring to pre-ordained end-of-time scenarios here, but our everyday lives. So God saw Eve taking of that tree in the future but Eve could still have change it before it happens. Fascinating subject, don't you agree?
@saint paul. Well, God created time. See how scientifically amazing the Bible is: In Genesis 1:1, in the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. God had to create time first, in order to materialize the space, which is a place where to put the mass, I.e. the earth. That was there 2 thousand years before Einstein brought it up. God created time for us. In some Bible verse, God shows us the relationship between time and space. He defines relativity already. That's astounding! In other galaxies time could be different. I think God sees our galaxy as a grain of sand. Jesus entered time, the Holy Spirit enters time, so the Father also. In fact, he appeared to Moses: he told him to hide behind a rock, God put his hand to make sure Moses doesn't look up, and turns his back to him because if you look at God you die. I believe that since God just 'is', time doesn't mean anything to him. Not sure if you are a Catholic from your name but, in the Bible, heaven is not just another dimension, playing harps on clouds. It is as real as we are living here right now: you'll have a body, there are buildings, nature, roads, space travel and so on... God is there. The spirit is like wind. You can feel it but you can't see it but it's still affected by time. I'm not sure 100% what you mean by God's relationship with time but if I answered your question, happy to help.
@@Sergedb74 Molinism: God sees what would happen if such and such occurs. David asks if he would go down to a certain location, would he be killed by his enemies -and God says, yes. So David doesn't do go there. Molinists believe that God created a world where human beings would freely choose Him in the greatest possible number. Quite a fascinating idea and an interesting (and, I think, plausible) way to resolve the free will vs God's sovereignty/determinism dilemma.
@Michael Babbitt. The example I gave is not quite Molinism. Compared to Molinism, I believe that free-will is total, God is not involved at all with human free-will. God chooses to not see into your future. God does not need to be prepared for anything.
@saint paul. Michael brought up one of the examples I had in mind. I believe that that future has already happened in God's world. It is real because God does not guess. That future had happened. David changed plans, the future changed. We have one future, God's futures for the Bible are different according to his plans. God predetermines some events throughout the Bible. In regards to God into space time, I believe that God is outside that dimension. God is not affected by anything. For example, the Holy Spirit in the believers is not affected by time, space, dimensions, He was here before, he created them, they have no power. If you mean, God travelling into the past, present, future, let's take the Bible for example. God inspired it. It means that not only he speaks through the prophets but also when Satan speaks, God make sure that the writers report exactly every single word Satan uttered, that's why the Bible is inspired, no one else but God would know that. Did God remembered down to the infinite details or does He travel back where the past was happening? I think that when God sees something, he does not need to go back. Did the see the future in the remote past, which is now the past? It depends how much free-will he allowed, as stated in our first few comments. If Eve could change her mind at the last second, the future would change. So it depends how much God wants to be involved, we would only know one day hopefully... In regards to the future, again it depends if he went Calvinist, Arminian or all the other possibilities. If you believe that the Bible is perfect, infallible, inspired and preserved, as I do, I see the pieces of the puzzle falling into place in the world view I proposed in the beginning of this thread of comments. If God predestined everything I can't reconcile events in which God says that he is extremely upset with some Bible characters, such as Judah for example. Ok, Judah, go and do what you have to do but it would have been better for you not to be born! I mean, if that's the case, what about all the drama, what kind of teaching do Bible readers receive? In my modest opinion, Judah had free-will. In regards to space-time, perhaps you give to much 'power' to these dimensions, as if God is some sort of extraterrestrial or Thor or something. That's my take in my spiritual journey so far. God bless.
Cliff, here's my thought, and please correct me if I'm wrong. When asked by my atheist friends about the concept of humans having free will vs. God "knowing what we're going to do (i.e. fate)", I have always explained it in the following way...
To the bespectacled "logician" who asked the question, I would have said, because God is omniscient He knows that He gave us all free will. Because we have this gift of free will, we can make infinite choices every second of every day. Those infinite possibilities can all be permutated into an infinite amount of possible paths in our life. We, being constrained by a mortal mind cannot possibly know all of the infinite outcomes of our free choices. HOWEVER, God being omniscient can, and does. Therefore, He knows the outcome of every possible decision we can make, thus explaining His omniscience, but because WE cannot extrapolate those many possible futures, it allows for our free will, as opposed to the weak argument of determinism/fate.
Wow thats a great explanation in a perspective that I havent seen from. Great job in articulating that
Just read conversation with god book 1 2 3
Cliffe!!!!!!
18:12 the son can experience time and the enjoying of it without needing to be in the father's shoes and knowing everything like the day and hour like the father does and the son doesn't know the day or hour only unless the father tells him so as God he can both enjoy knowing everything or in Jesus to totally understand suspense and relying on someone like his father which is a trait that the father does not know for he does not obey anyone. This is the power of the father and the son.
здравейте,може ли по някакъв начин да се свържа с вас,защото имам много важен въпрос,който е от решаващо значение за бъдещето ми
The Great White Throne Judgement gives those who never heard of Jesus Christ to finally get a chance to
Gods Word is Life, outside or being without Gods Word and His Holy Spirit is to be heading towards Hell, to end up being separated from Him forever, and that is something Jesus Holy Spirit want to prevent through His payment for your sake, and He does it because of who He is, if you accept Him and confess Him as your Lord and Savior He will do just that, save you! Jesus want to restore us, if we let Him, if not then we condemn ourselves to Hell already! And that guy who stormed off he did not start well, and he ended up even more upset than he was before he opened his mouth!
God bless
Cliffe just limit God god cant make a circle a square he is God he can do it all he could write straight on a cricket line just because Hes GOD.
It's a shame that guy stormed off, I think he started well but just didn't really know what he meant himself by the end.
Or he wasn't happy and satisfied with the answer he got in the end! There are those who say that they are true seekers of the truth, but in reality they want to show that Jesus / God and the Bible are fabrications and lies! When things do not go as planned, they give up and leave! They themselves want to avoid being publicly humiliated, especially when they notice that they are about to fail to publicly humiliate the other person! It is very sad that some people think that it's all about winning a conversation!
I totally agree, they come trying to prove him wrong. They put their faith in a single argument to try and win the conversation but little do they know that they are a drop in a an ocean. Their arrogance and ego shows their true character
The wisdom of words makes the cross of Christ without effect.
In the wisdom of God, the world by wisdom knew not God.
The gospel of Jesus Christ is the the power of God unto salvation to everyone that believes.
How can they believe on him of whom they have not heard, how can they hear without a preacher, how can they preach except they be sent?
Faith comes by hearing, and hearing hearing by the word of God.
The A Paul wrote, My speech and my preaching were not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power, that your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.
Be blessed.
If God didn't exist man would have created him.
The guy with glasses missed a terrible flaw in his argument.
he asks essentially if god sees the result of everything what is the point of doing it.
Unfortunately he does not realise that god seeing all things means he has already seen you do it.
so when one says why should he do it he/she forgets that it has already been done from the perspective of God.
Josh, could God have made this planet without earthquakes?
@@bonnie43uk yes, he could have also made it without humans.
@@joshjeggs The point I'm getting at was, for what purpose did God create this planet with earthquakes which, obviously, cause massive death and destruction to people, killing countless thousands civilians just trying to live their lives. From a naturalistic point of view we have an excellent grasp of how the earth was formed billions of years ago, and we know a great deal as to how and why earthquakes occur, .. and it doesn't involve a God of any description. It's an unfortunate fact that, if you happen to live near a tectonic plate faultline, there is a high probability that you will experience an earthquake. It's just a matter of time before the San Fransisco region is hit by a really big earthquake because it's right on the San Andreas faultline.
@@bonnie43uk so you think the purpose of earthquakes is to kill people.....because of your argument of NOT KNOWING THE PURPOSE OF EARTHQUAKES.
yeah you are going to need to work on that.
a smarter atheist may have posed the actual moral issue I answered in anticipation. e.g "yes, he could have also made it without humans."
people kill people so the principle is to say god should not have made people...but I guess that example exposes your foolish argument a bit to clearly.
@@joshjeggs No, you're not grasping what I'm saying Josh. Remember I don't believe in God, I believe everything that occurs in life has a natural answer, I'm simply asking you if God *does* exist, why would he create a planet for us to live on that violently shakes the ground so much in certain places that it kills untold thousands of people. It's that question of "why do bad things happen to good people?" Lets just take one example, on Boxing Day in 2004, there was a massive earthquake that killed over 250,000 people all over the world, it started in Indonesia, the massive tsunami which resulted from the initial earthquake traveled thousands of miles killing people in different countries, thousands of those people would have been good Christian people such as yourself who worshiped Jesus and were living life the best they could. It would even have totally destroyed hundreds of Christian Churches. I'm asking you why do you think God created a planet which shakes violently in certain regions of the world causing death and destruction on such a level?
Now from my no God perspective, we can explain exactly how and why earthquakes occur, there is absolutely no mystery to them whatsoever, billions of years ago all the continents were joined together in one complete land mass that we call Pangaea ( google it), over hundreds of millions of years ( long before humans were around) Pangaea showly drifted apart to the point today where we have different continents, any good geologist knows this.
Basically, we live on a planet that wasn't designed or created with mankind in mind by a supernatural creator. If you go back let's say 3 billion years ago no human would be able to live on our planet because the atmosphere would have been totally inhospitable to us.
Josh, imagine this if you can, imagine if you and I lived, lets say 4,000 years ago, and the ground shook so violently that it destroyed the primitive buildings we lived in, and killed most of our community.. how would we have explained that? In order for us to explain it, we'd have to come up with a reason.. the best reason we could possibly come up with would be that it had to have been some kind of unseen God who was clearly angry with us. It might have made sense for us to think of something we could do to appease the God so he wouldn't do it again, what could we give him that was precious to us as an offering or a sacrifice. This is why early man came up with the idea of human sacrifice, as an offering to an unseen God.
Does that make sense to you. Human sacrifices were prevalent in lots of different regions all over the world, long before Christianity, I could even argue that Christianity itself is even based on a sacrifice.
Can somebody explain the gap this guy was talking about?
Or did he mean after you rationalise nature and conscious...
You still want more because you don't want there to be a God?
before time existed God knew most of his children would burn in HELL for ever, is anything more loving than that
That's a misconception. God's children don't go to hell
@@johnsoto7414 are all people not Gods children
@Andrés Sorry I was always told we are all God's children, so the devil created people as well as God, thank you this changes my outlook completely. P.S. who where the first people the devil created.
FATHER GOD PLEASE soften the hearts of the people around the world to Believe in JESUS CHRIST. JESUS is KNOCKING on your HEARTS DOOR.
Romans 10:9-10
9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
Some of our best lessons in life are taught by those making mistakes, who teach the wise not to do likewise.
The existence of atheists hell bent on heading to hell gives us a greater zeal for God.
As evil or wickedness highlights the beauties of holiness because of the contrast, so too does atheism play its part in driving us more deeply into God.
Essentially we stand up and debate with atheists mainly for the purpose of defending God’s name which they shame and defame.
However the obedient believer recognises that simply believing in God is in itself insufficient.
When we allow ourselves to be cognisant of the fact that God chooses few, we therefore to ensure we are chosen, choose to obey God 100%.
Who does God choose?
The obedient or disobedient?
The obedient. Right?
Does he choose those that are 75% obedient or 85% obedient or does He choose the 100% obedient?
Does He choose all?
No.
Does He call all?
No
Many are called.
Not all are called.
And out of all the called FEW are chosen.
Matthew 22:14 King James Version (KJV)
14 For many are called, but few are chosen.
You say we atheists are "teaching you not to do likewise" and we atheists 'hell-bent on heading to hell' give you a greater zeal for God, is that right?? Well, that's interesting because it's almost like you are saying if it wasn't for us atheists, you might have given the Christian faith up yourself like we have, Paul. If so, thanks for your honesty, I appreciate it lol.
John Cashin
I am in the realm of logic which is where you think you abide, but actually thats not where you are at, at all. And because I think and you don’t, although you do think you think, you aren’t actually seeing the entire picture clearly.
You’re not playing with a full deck of cards.
The accusation of you being smitten with the incapacity to return from your mind bending trip is evidenced by your total inability to recognise that if God does exist then quite clearly you by comparison are nothing, when measured against His achievements, which are infinite in quantity and quality.
But in your desperation to maintain your new found sense of importance or worthwhile-ness or significance, resulting from no longer having to be compared to one who is infinitely superior to you, you therefore cannot and will not allow yourself to entertain or properly consider what for you would be a crushing blow of reality or truth.
Hence you are in a mind bent state.
You have gone around the proverbial bend, from which it’s unlikely that you’ll ever return.
If you were a lover of logic, which you aren’t, you would be able to allow yourself to recognise that the infinite achievements of a creator would most certainly affect your sense of own self worth, which is based upon our achievements and the achievements of mankind as a whole.
Regrettably you are so far around the bend or the twist with your blinkers on, you are completely oblivious to the teeming evidence of God’s amazing achievements, found all around us.
Therefore in a loco way when you actually say where’s the evidence, we are so completely stunned to see the professor loosing his marbles, that we are often too dumb struck to even reply.
And as the psychiatrist fully realises the futility of trying to use logic on his patients who only chuckle and laugh at his analysis, so too do we, who understand, appreciate that its a futile waste of time, trying to explain to those who are in their mind bending states of minds.
@@paulwilfridhunt For someone who thinks it's a futile waste of time trying to explain to us 'crazy atheists' you sure have a lot to say to us, my Christian friend from NZ. For what it's worth, if you turn out to be right, I'll tell God on the judgment day (if he allows me a word) that you tried your best and that it wasn't your fault that I wasn't convinced :)
John Cashin When Jesus had a lot to say to the impenitent Pharisees, saying those things that had to be said, He wasn’t only speaking to those religious unbelievers, but he was also educating the interested bystanders. He didn’t pull any punches.
Jesus Christ is my master whom I follow and try to emulate and whilst I’ve been warning you as He warned the Pharisees it’s really the brethren I am educating.
Jesus knew the Pharisees weren’t going to repent but nevertheless He warned them and at the same time He educated the onlookers.
I am not trying to convince you however I am explaining to new Christians who read my posts why you are the people that you are.
Yes you will one day believe when it’s way too late however on that day you’ll be sorry you didn’t win because you would have liked to have won. However as of right now your self deception is such that you aren’t actually aware of all this.
And as the Pharisees also suffered from self deception nevertheless it didn’t get them off the hook.
@@paulwilfridhunt OK Paul, let's say you are right, would it be POSSIBLE for me to become one of the saved few or would it be IMPOSSIBLE?? If it's impossible then I will have nothing to be sorry about, as it was out of my control, if it IS possible then that knocks 'Predestination' out for the count, as it will then be a matter of my choice at this point in time rather than my predestiny. I asked you this before and you didn't give an answer, I think I know why but come on, be bold, I dare you, answer this question.
I wonder what Cliffe and his son have for their view of hell. (Eternal conscious torment, Annihilationism, Universal Reconciliation, or other)
I think I recall Cliffe leaning towards hopeful Annihilationism.
@Matthew Allen no you must read the chapter in context and the verses even after discuss that please read all of the Bible in relation to death and versus having any mortal body etc etc and how the Lake of Fire is and what the end result of his if you have questions for me then then please ask but please reach for yourself with Holy Spirit scriptures line upon line precept upon precept involving death the Judgment the Lake of Fire and immortality and then I'll gladly speak with you.
@Matthew Allen you misunderstand that's why I asked you to read the Bible, I was not criticizing I was asking to reread those chapters before you and I conversed so we be able to converse better but I try now without it you're you're not understanding and that's why I should read the Bible that yes I agree with you they are real people okay I believe obviously for example that the Pope in the Catholic church is part of that system second of all the thousand years is what I was saying you're misunderstanding when Christ comes to bring us home to heaven the dead in Christ shall rise first then the ones alive in Christ will rise in there and meet them and together we'll go to heaven and after a thousand years raining in heaven and going over the books and understanding the Judgment of God then he will come again a third time so to speak and bring his judgment so that the dead not in Christ and the ones that were alive when he came the second time and put them to sleep with me raised for their final judgment and they will burn in the Lake of Fire but not forever they do not have in Mortal bodies they lost in mortality with Adam and Eve it's only the the righteous in Christ at work have immortality when he comes a second time so think about that we can discuss it further again I was not insulting you and I'm trying to speak this because I'm legally blind and he's long messages I can't type so I apologize I hope it comes out okay again not attacking you not insulting you please understand that thank you God bless.
@Matthew Allen
1ST THESALONIANS 4: 1-18, REVELATION 21: 1-27. There is much more, but this is a great amount of Scripture.
Rev. 20: 1-15, and
@Matthew Allen I see the problem now and I don't say this joking way you're forgetting about the first coming which is actually when he came as a baby which was foretold in the Old Testament in numerous places but the juice chose to ignore some of them knew of it but they chose to ignore it and there's others who surely didn't realize it but that's what I'm referring to the power of the holy spirit with Mary and then the second coming is when he came in the clouds and which I explained earlier but you mentioned and then yes there was that great Judgment at the end when the Lake of Fire exist and all the Damned are dead and gone for good there is no more there's no more remembers no more understanding there's no I do not have immortality so I hope we're on the same page now God bless you.
@Matthew Allen I am not babbling explain this one time and one time only here and then I'm done speaking with you whether you understand or not and I'm not usually impatient but you're not being very respectful I already said and you know this room scripture that is first coming has to do this coming as a baby and second coming is after he goes into the clouds to leave and they look up and see him go they ask why and they say why are you worried about his going you know you'll come back as he's leaving which means his second coming is when the dead in Christ rise first they'll meet him in the air this is when he comes at his second coming can you hear that second coming and the dead in Christ meet him in the air first they want him alive and in Christ meet him in the air with them and then they go to heaven with a rain for a thousand years with him and go over the books as I mentioned and that's in Revelation and then after a thousand years they all go with him and bring his judgment to the Damned who are then raised to the ones not in Christ are raised and judged and they for the last time with Satan try to go up against Christ and the angels and they lose they are destroyed by fire and they're put in the Lake of Fire where death itself is destroyed since destroyed all of the adversaries are destroyed and Satan officially is destroyed all eyes are destroyed there is nothing left and that we get to have the new Earth Christ will create a new Earth and a new Heaven and so forth to be reformed and so they were forward halfway from Heaven and the new Earth if you don't believe me read all of the areas of Revelation again as I mentioned and there are other places in scripture which I have mentioned and there's more for you to search out for yourself okay I'm not Babble read the Bible thank you.
We dont merely "get trapped" in sin. We "are trapped" in sin. This is what being a slave to sin means. We "get trapped" because we are "born trapped".
the whole guilt thing is the foundation of religion, and here's how it works, people like frank turek tell you that you're born a sinner, the bible and people like frank, tell you
sex is sin, the original sin, so they make you feel guilty, cos who doesn't like sex? and how do you get forgiveness, *why only the church can absolve you* ,
and then a week later you have an impure thought, or do something the bible regards as wrong, you feel guilty again, *you get forgiveness again, and you sin again* ,
the idiots are trapped by a pyramid scheme devised by the church and you can NEVER escape. if i told you that i put a curse on you and your family for all time
unless you beg my forgiveness you might not believe me, but a nagging doubt is there, "can he really curse me forever?" and you're trapped. religion is a scam.
Cliffe says ( at 24:41) "at times, it feels good to do evil" ..I think there is a huge difference in doing something we perhaps shouldn't do, and doing something evil.. even if you take the standard dictionary definition, evil is quite an extreme malevolent act, as opposed to an act which is far less serious. If someone stole a candy bar from a supermarket it can't be as bad as lets say inflicting serious unnecessary pain upon a child... those 2 acts are both wrong, but one of them is evil, the other isn't.
Morality is dead without god
@@gunnerkicks6590 You are free to believe that gk. Do you think it was moral for God to order Moses to slaughter rival nations like the Caananites, Amalekites, Midianites etc?, including, as I've mentioned many times, little toddlers and babies?
@@bonnie43uk it sure was, he is God isn't he
@@gunnerkicks6590 So you're saying if God commands an abhorrent act, it is good? I'd argue that butchering children is evil.
@@bonnie43uk he's god I'm not
How could someone say that Jesus lived a sinless life when the bible doesn't really cover his whole life, we know very little outside of his ministry of his actually life not enough to honestly know how he lived maybe in his teens he was just like the rest of us truth is we don't know.
Does every history book provide all the details about a historical persons life? No. No such book exists. We cannot know everything.
But here's the thing about Jesus - he was God incarnate in human form. We don't know every detail of Jesus' life, but his character was consistent with God and we know the God of the Old Testament was just, morally good and righteous. We can infer from that that Jesus lived a sinless life.
Cliffe was telling them to look at the different options, to weigh them, to look at what one seems most credible and trustworthy and to go with that. He said that he finds just to be the most credible and trustworthy option and therefore he puts his trust in Jesus. However, when we actually look to JESUS, the scriptures and the disciples they never offered Jesus as an option to be considered but rather a command and person to obey, put your trust in and follow. Jesus was more direct, Him and his followers stated the fact that He was the way the truth and the life, Jesus commanded people to Repent and Believe or else they would perish. There was often more of an urgency. Cliffe is approaching these students as if they are on neutral ground, as if they are seeking God and then saying to just "consider Jesus as an option." However these students are not on neutral ground, they are enemies of God and the Bible says that none seek after God no not one. They need the Gospel, it's the Gospel that saves people. They need scripture, there is power in God's word and it never returns void. Ultimately it's a sin issue, I think Cliffe should tackle the heart, the diseases, the sin.
Sin is a very subjective word Apologia, what you personally might consider sinful, other people may think it's perfectly ok. Those students who chat to Cliffe don't come across as young people who go out in the evenings to rob and cause trouble, they seem like your average student that you'd find at any university campus in the world who want to study and get a degree, and also enjoy life. What sinful things do you think they might be committing?
@@bonnie43uk I'm talking about the word sin in the Biblical sense and definition of the word. Sin being the transgression of God's law. Sin is a transgression, an iniquity, an unrighteous act. Sin is a deviation from the will of God. God's standard of moral perfection is what we are all obligated to obey and when we do not, we have sinned.
To answer your question about what sinful things I think those students might be doing? I can't say which one's specifically because I don't know them personally. But my guess would be things like having sex outside of marriage, getting drunk, lying, pride, not loving God, having lustful thoughts, not forgiving others, taking God's name in vain, gossiping and the list could go on.
So, to sin, to break God's law, results in judgment. The judgment is known as damnation which is the righteous judgment of God upon the sinner. If God did not judge the sinner, then He is not upholding His holiness; and he would be allowing sinners to go unpunished.
@@Apologia5 As I said, sin is very subjective. As you know, I'm looking at it as a former Christian, now a non believer in God, my perspective on what we regard as right and wrong is very different to what you believe Apologia. Drinking alcohol isn't a sin last time I looked, and who gets to decide at what point it becomes a sin?, do you think maybe alcohol should be banned? .. remember the story of Jesus at the wedding of Cana, when they ran out of wine, Jesus happily filled up their caskets with more wine that he magic'd out of thin air.
I don't think having sex outside of marriage is necessarily a bad thing, if you practice safe sex, I'd say that most people before they get married have had sex with their potential partner. Leaving it till after can create massive problems in a marriage if it turns out one of them has a low sex drive and the other one has a high sex drive.. that leads us to pornography, I think porn is ok for those people who, for whatever reason can't have sex with a partner or wife/husband ( women watch porn remember), you only have to look at the number one thing watched on the internet to see how popular it is. I don't know how old you are Apologia, but in your teen years particularly I'm guessing your sex hormones were doing cartwheels just like everyone elses, that's the time most of us find our sex drive is at it's peak.. how did you combat your sexual urges? Lusting isn't a bad thing, it's what most healthy people do, I love looking at an attractive woman, it's one of life's free pleasures, when you try and surpress those natural urges it only makes you more frustrated. Trying to stop a healthy teenager from having sex/looking at porn/ lusting is akin to trying to turn back the tide. It's virtually impossible. As I say, it's one of lifes free pleasures.
jeez, you're a cheerful person.....not
@@JeezyF I'm a very cheerful chappy :-) ..life is like a box of chocolates, .. you never know what you're gonna get :-)
Cliffe is brilliant. However I don't like the way (sometimes) he describes that God "limits" His own power. I'd say rather, He holds back His power. Much the same way I could destroy my nephew in an arm wrestling match, but I hold back my power and let him win. God holds back His power by giving us free will, in love.
(The Children of GOD):
28 And now, little children, abide in him; that, when he shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before him at his coming.
(Because God is righteous, the divine sonship of Christians is revealed through righteous living).
(John has been urging his readers to let what they have heard from the beginning abide in them. Here he advises them to abide in Christ Himself. If we abide in Christ we will avoid embarrassment when he returns. Ashamed: the shame is the result of not having had a lifestyle of obedience when Christ returns).
29 If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of him.
(Since God is righteous, those who practice righteousness will be recognized as being born of God/Has the Holy Spirit. The point here is that when a child exhibits the nature of his other father, he or she is perceived as the child of the Father. Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. (1 John 3:9).
(1 John 2:28-29).
I think Cliffe's son missed an opportunity to talk about the Holy Spirit. If you opeb yourself to God, lets say you know nothing about Jesus, God will speak to you inside yourself from the Holy Spirit.
I don't think cliffe knows what the hell he is talking about. He just asserts and asserts with no tangible evidence.
What is your evidence for that assertion?
@@Malhaloc I don't think you know what an assertion is. You don't know what an assertion is, would be an assertion.
@@dperkins01 assertion (noun): a confident and forceful statement of fact or belief
"He just asserts and asserts with no tangible evidence."
@@dperkins01funny. You don't know what the hell you're talking about either.
He is asking for commentaries outside of the bible. Give him TACITUS, PLINY THE YOUNGER, JOSEPHUS, MARASAPIAN, and OTHERS confirming as non-Christian sources mentioning Jesus existed and rose from the dead.
Where did you learn mathematical truth? Oh from a book? Okay.
Where did you learn scientific truth? Oh from a book? Okay.
So what is your problem with learning godly truth from a book? Um........
Your point falls on its own sword.
The young man asks a very difficult question, one I've struggled with also! I get that he created us for our benefit, with the ultimate being, returning to relationship with Him! But, if he already knows how it will turn out? Hmmm!
I think even though God knows how its supposed to turn out. Were made in His image with free will and have the ability to change the outcome.
How does cliffe speak for and know what god is thinking and means? Sounds like he is creating god out of his own imagination.
First theologian here
You cannot repeat philosophy like you can repeat science. Science is all about repetition of an experiment. God Jesus and the Bible are philosophy and history not science!
Man created time not God.
Then why Man, don't alter time? if "WE ARE" the one who created it, why we don't have power over it? if we created it?, If man created time why we are bound by it? because if the man created time, this "Man" you say must be a "God".
We can't have both created time and continously be bound by time
Hahaha..
God wasnt lonely? I think eternity without anyone else would be a bit lonely without any other humans and just the other two. I would be bored personally. I guess its just if God was lonely he wouldn't be the all positive God I learned about Him in the bible
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Great Video and well done Cliff you are amazing and have been a regular feature in my life for the past 10 years but Cliff I think you need to stop saying you respect Prophet Mohammad, you can respect muslims but definitely not Muhammad who has created a cult, lied about jesus, married a 6 year old and slaughtered many people including many Christians. Remember he taught that jesus will return and destroy the cross in the last days, how can you respect someone like this? This will only confuse Muslim students who will say well at least you respect him. I understand the desire to not want to offend but be bold be strong for the Lord our God is with you. Saying you respect him is not the same as saying you respect his God giving ability to speak freely, saying you respect him is like saying you respect the Anti-Christ which I am sure you never will. You and anyone else who reads this if your not already aware should listen to Christian Prince who is an Abrabic Christian and who by the Grace of God converts many many Muslims to Christianity on a daily basis, yes he is an acquired taste in his style but his knowledge is amazing and I would love to see any other Christian in this world with his numbers of conversion. Anyway I just felt I had to share my thoughts, God bless you all Jesus is King ❤
There is more proof for evolution than a god. Prove me wrong!!
Creation means there's a creator nothing doesn't make things from thin air so the big bang and evolutionism is silly and it's a joke believed by those who just want a out so they dont have a God looming over them and wanting them to stop there sin
No evidence for evolutionism exists they misinterpret the creation and dig up bones and look for ways to make a new creature out of something that died we never seen any animals change but there excuse is it's so far and long ago you won't see it that's the cover up for no factual evidence.
Evolution is a process. Evolution doesn't explain how the world was Created and Creation is the biggest piece of evidence for God
(This is a year late i know)
There is no proof of evolution. There is no evidence of a transitioning form. This is an assertion based on hypothesis, without physical evidence.
Aron ra would take this preacher and would make a fool of him.
How would he do that?
Aron-Ra had already debated Cliffe and his son (available on TH-cam) and failed miserably. Aron-Ra was drunk and belligerent in the debate and had to use a computer to Google all his arguments, literally.
THIRD!! 🙋🏻♂️
Another good dialogue between Cliffe, Stuart and the students, Cliffe talks about sin about halfway through the video, I have to respectfully disagree with him as to what constitutes sin, I don't regard gay people in relationships as doing anything wrong. Here in the UK, it's widely accepted by society, and in many western countries, it only seems to be highly religious countries that condemn it. Loving someone of the same sex is not a crime. I just watched the new Elton John film Rocketman tonight, there are quite a few scenes of homosexuality in it, he's not a bad man, his music has been enjoyed by millions of people, yet according to some Christians, he will spend eternity in Hell for the 'crime' of being gay. .. that to me is an abhorrent thought. No loving God would allow a man who's brought so much joy and love into the world to suffer after death.
Give it a rest bonnie
@@mr.s7522 LOOOOL
@@nikokapanen82 Hi again Niko, well, I certainly agree with your first point. You talk about the anus being purely for waste matter, it's odd that the anus is also one of the most sexually arousing area's of the body, why would God design it that way?, is that something you've ever pondered Niko. Our sexuality is incredibly diverse, people's own preferences are as diverse as anything on the planet. You made the point in your first paragraph that it's not so much the being gay that's the problem, but the sleeping around in regards to sexually transmitted diseases, and you are absolutely right. More needs to be done in terms of safe sex. With regards 'demons' that is where you and i differ massively, demons do not exist outside of people's own imaginations in my humble opinion. Why don't we see people being accused of witchcraft anymore? The New Testament was full of stories of people being possessed by Demons, .. the famous passage where Jesus forces a demon out of a mans head, and into a herd of pigs, who then perish when they all jump off a cliff into the sea. A great story, but it has no basis in fact.
God is Love & Judge! If He prohibits something then it has serious consequences. Our views don't matter, judgement is in hand of God. He decides what is Right & what is wrong!
Hey Tom I'll be busy at the soup kitchen tomorrow but I will be writing you but some of those other points in a couple days or so and hopefully you get to some good sleep whenever you go to bed and I disagree with quite a few things you said here today too but I won't cover those now but just wanted to say hi.
Respect for Muhammad? I Respect Cliff and the way He presents Jesus in his own unique way. But I Dont see a respect for Muhammad. He was a Deceiving Warlord! Who made up a god in his own image. That is Deceiving untold Millions of people to this day!
Alex Cajiao there’s no historical evidence of Muhammad being a warlord. Muhammad was a prophet of God, who worshipped the same God as Abraham, Noah, Moses and Jesus. Jesus was a man and prophet of God who performed miracles with the permission of God. Moses performed miracles with the permission of God. Muhammad performed miracles with the permission of God. The end.
Jackass M Guy look into there book the Koran . He (Muhammad) tells the people to kill the infidel. The unbelievers. To extort money from the unbelievers and pay for there lives. To force the unbelievers into their religion. Take off with there daughters as well. So yeah this guy definitely was a warlord! And No he was NOT! A man of GOD! He did NOT perform any miracles! And the GOD of the Bible is Not! The god that they talk about in the Koran . The GOD of the Bible is the True GOD! And the one they talk about in the Koran is the devil!
Alex Cajiao if what you say was true the 1.5 billion muslims would be killing people right now. You obviously have not understood or read the Quran. The last time I checked it was Christians who dropped two atomic bombs which killed innocent children , pregnant woman, elderly , destroyed trees and animals. It was the west which had human zoos, carried out killings of native people. When you look into history the only Warlord you see is the white man who claims to be a follower of christ.
you don't respect when someone says it's good to give to the poor?
Jeezy F What? What are you talking about? I wasn’t talking about the poor.
Dont be silly Cliffe got is a she..
full of mistakes of reasoning, assumes things that can´t be proven. faith is useless, if any of you can´t prove your favorite god exists, then you have no good reason to belive in it.... so far, nobody in the history of humanity has proven any gods exists...
You need to learn the difference between proof and evidence.
There is plenty of evidence to support the existence of God.
Thank you!