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The "assisting in all three of my holes" is sooo terrible.
BEYOND. Like ma'am...
Now, we know why* sex scene vocabulary is so cringy: some readers actually love that sh*t.
Saying that ish out loud is crazy 💀
When i read it i didnt think she said that out loud i thought it was gone be an unhinged comment so it took me off guard
So gross
I hope people did learn from this: sexual harassment is still sexual harassment when cishet women do it to cishet men.
Or even when they do it to other women. Queer women in particular, it saddens me as a survivor that people frame us as predators towards cishet women when reality is very much the opposite
@@yasmineh.1333 Yes! That f*cking part. Isnt it jarring, as survivors, how transphobes PRETEND to care about sa to oppress a marginalised community?! It disgusts me to no end.
I really liked how you handled the "yes, you're getting extra heat because you're Black" without losing the "you need to be accountable"
This is not what we meant when we asked for equality with men 😒 sexual harassment is not okay from anyone
I hope HR is in contact with the Seattle social media team bc those were certainly some decisions.
Not her, as an adult, fake crying that the other adults in the wrong led her to making her adult choices 👁️👄👁️
That wife is clearly educated, and I appreciate pretty much everything she said regarding sexualization and consent.
@@heathrdarling those "tears" dried up real quick!!!!
@@readingrapunzel5092 not everyone can be a gifted actor, crying on camera takes talent
So her argument for why its not sexual harassment is: 1) she's done it before and no one said anything 2) the team encouraged her and 3) "well other people are doing it too!". Like, I'm pretty sure the last argument is literally made by children and refuted by parents with the phrase "well if they jumped off a cliff, would you do it too?". Terrible look. Terrible excuse. Like, if these were female hockey players then there would be all sorts of call outs going on but its somehow permissible because they're men? Honestly, these people need to act like the adults they supposedly are and keep their opinions about other people and their bodies to themselves.
And with point 1. That's in the same vein of men saying "you didn't say no when I started coming onto you so now why are you saying no to sex?" Or not understanding that someone can change their mind hallway through a sexual encounter. She doesn't understand consent at all.
also the "it's clearly just a joke" is baffling to me because men use that SO often when catcalling/harassing in order to make women look stupid when calling the behavior out
i wonder if she realizes that what she's saying to defend herself is like. word for word what predatory men use to defend themselves against sexual harassment claims. and in general i think she and a lot of other people on booktok don't *really* understand that these are real actual people and not characters in a book.
@@wolf-gh2dz this is exactly what I was thinking, these are the same arguments used by male predators.
Wow, so much gross. The team encouraging it for engagement purposes and the double standards are terrible. However, any creator who comments that a real person should do all three of their holes and then gets upset when someone is uncomfortable...ummm 🤔
it just seems so simple to understand why they'd feel uncomfy..
I was uncomfortable with that three holes comment and it wasn't even directed at me!
Right??@@TinaTissue28
What Kierra is forgetting from her statement is that consent can be removed at anytime, and they don’t need to explain why.
the thing that got me about it was how Kierra seems to keep going on and on about how "it's just a joke, it's humor" like can't-you-take-a-joke type thing, which is what gross men do when they get called out for sexual harassment. Just because she's a woman doesn't make it magically not sexual harassment. She crossed a line.
Apparently she was also thirsting for a country singer who is OPENLY racist.
What was their name? 😬
@@lactobacillusprobiotic7029Morgan Wallen
Morgan Wheelan? Jason Aldean?
Yes, a lot Black people on TikTok unfollowed her after that. She cultivated a White audience and said she didn't like reading books by Black authors.
@@lordtetteYes, it was Morgan Wallen and then some other guy.
It’s giving very much- she thinks she’s funny and no one has ever told her she actually isn’t. Yikes.
Well…she was supported and followed by the hockey team so apparently someone was benefiting from it.
I can't believe that they fly her out to say all that disgusting shit in person on the expense on their players 🤢🤢
I do think the marketing team screwed up here too. Most PR practitioners/marketing teams don't seem to understand the dynamics of fandoms and parasocial relationships and why interacting with fandoms to gain new followers is often much more trouble than it's worth. Still, that booktoker and her followers went too far. People aren't fictional characters, you can't drag strangers into your sexual fantasies, and consent can be revoked. Some things are just best saved for the groupchat. I can't imagine commenting "krak my back" under a picture of a woman and her baby and feeling like you're in the right.
I'm a huge hockey fan, and I wholeheartedly agree that some of the players are incredibly FINE, but good lord, show some damned restraint! Have I made comments along those lines while watching a game in the comfort of my own house? Sure. But I would NEVER post it online or even worse, IN PERSON!!! If it were a man doing that to a woman, it would be called out (rightfully) as blatant sexual harrassment. Keep that same energy when the target is a man. Say he's handsome, good-looking, hot, whatever, but she crossed WAY over the line.
Same! I'm a massive Dallas Stars fan (don't ask me about this past season, I will cry) and some of these players are FOINE. My friends and I giggle and make comments, sure, but this felt so weird to me happening on TikTok. It was a tad surreal.
@@Kay-wp8xf I'm a Habs fan, so I will definitely agree not to discuss last season. 🤣🤣
@@shannonquinn
Stars Fans 🤝 Habs fans
Not discussing last season
@@Kay-wp8xf 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Yeah, if a man was doing this at a woman's hockey game they'd likely have been kicked out of the game. He's a man at his job, leave him alone. Also idk if it's cause I'm a hockey fan but they're stretching... people need to stop making everything sexual!
I've said this for years. Women are behaving the way we deem gross and predatory for men to behave. Not all women but more and more women are doing this now a days. If a man attended a gymnastics competition and proceeded to scream crude comments he'd probably be arrested and placed on a restraining order. What I want to know is why did the team invite her there when she made crude comments on her tiktok?
@@AllThingsShaundaExactly! Felicia is yet another celebrity wife who has become possessive of her husband. Her issue should be with the PR team for encouraging it, not this woman she doesn’t know who also happens to be a minority.
Some women's only problem with patriarchy is that they don't get to participate in it from a place of power
I think that it was good PR for a new team (aka they got a lot of eyes on the team). And both he and his wife mentioned that the culture if you are IN hockey is to keep your mouth shut, so the players didn't push back on the PR team's decision to lean into that. It does make me wonder how young the person managing the PR is.
I'd be willing to bet money that members of the team (maybe just him, maybe not) finally went to management because the online comments and DMs had reached an unignorable point of sexual harassment and that's why PR had to pull everything down - because even hockey players have legal protection from their employer encouraging sexual harassment.
@@thereaderinblack THIS. The mentality that "well men act this way so why can't we (women)" like no?
Do you really hear about those types of men getting arrested and retraining orders? I have never heard of any examples of that, and even if it happens, it's not the norm. It can be difficult for women to even get a restraining order when she is stalked. Sexual assault is rarely taken serious by the police because of a lack of evidence, but you claim men would get arrested by that same police for shouting at women?
Maybe it's different in your country but that is not how it works in mine.
I mean, if women are taken serious why do MeToo and such things even exist in the first place?
Not her playing the race card 😭
What’s the race card?
What’s the race card???
@@syds8752 I can understand the fact that she’s a Black creator. And I’m all for Black creators getting their money and doing It big, but I have to agree that her content is cringe. I’m not too entirely sure if there’s another booktoker out here doing her same content and not receiving backlash, but I can see how her content is cringey and can be seen as inappropriate to a married woman. Yes, I see how the wife is weird for feeding into It in the beginning but to say that the only reason the wife said something is because she’s a Black creator is a reach.
Idk- just my opinion. It might change after I finish the video.
Its not gonna help her at all, race or not once you make that public of unwanted sexual comments anywhere your fucked.
@@NiatateOn the real, when you say unapologetically that you don’t read Black books or Black authors, and build your brand off of promoting white authors and white characters and gaining a predominantly white audience, I am going to look at you funny when you call the WIFE a Karen and pit yourself as the poor little Black creator who was hiking her leg up when talking about what holes the man could score in. And I KNOW I’m not the only author that feels that way.
Say it with me now:
Consent 👏🏼 can 👏🏼 be 👏🏼 withdrawn 👏🏼 at 👏🏼 any 👏🏼 time 👏🏼
The way people have been acting about this situation and being told to stop has been bananas. I’ve seen comments like “he needs to put her in her place” regarding the wife speaking out. It’s been so disgusting. The girlies in Kierra Lewis’ comments are acting like men who used to harass me and my friends in bars- hitting on you, saying inappropriate ish until you say stop. Then they’re saying you’re a b**** and talking shit.
Why is apologizing so hard?
My friend is a total Disney adult and she knows a lot of the history of Disneyland. She told me that they used to have a Tarzan there but they had to get rid of him because women kept assaul ting them. I think the reason why women get away with it is because we pose less of a physical threat and it’s assumed men can stop us. But this is so gross. I really hope that the men are okay. It doesn’t feel good when you’re objectified…
It was the same case with Peter Pan, wasn’t it? Some things never change. :(
@@NeuroticBotanistPeter freaking Pan???? But Peter is a child, baby... 😢 Straight chicks are as weird as straight dudes smh (I know not all)
Yes, I also think how men and women are viewed differently is why the hockey PR dept encouraged Booktok.
Female erotica isn't seen as being as offensive or controversial as traditional porn. It was/is seen as being corny.
Have you seen the video of the girl touching Gaston? The actor broke character and told her to get out and she just giggled and laughed before leaving. I feel so bad for that Gaston actor as he’d probably have to deal with more women like that, and were no better than men with porn addictions who go around harassing women. As a straight woman myself it makes me cringe because I don’t want to make someone uncomfortable like that 😖
@@mittag983I get having a crush on Peter as a kid but it’s so weird how grown women are obsessed with him, he’s a literal child and was even based on a real little boy.
Imagine saying something like that about your celeb crush and then finding it and saying “this makes me uncomfortable” and you don’t die of embarrassment, but rather double down and blame everyone for hyping you up. like I would simply change my name and skip town if Jason Momoa denounced me like that. Also if a man made videos that graphic about a female celeb we would be (rightly) up in arms over their blatant disregard. It’s the same for a man.
Imagine that was a man screaming at women like that… I am just 🤯🤯🤯 we *HAVE TO STOP* the double standard!! Treat men the way we wanted to be treated!!
"You can be okay with something one minute, and then the next you don't feel good about it, and you can say no." THIS! 👏👏👏👏👏👏
I feel really bad for his wife especially they are calling her racist and insecure just because she wants them to stop harassing her husband. Also this girl K saying Alex’s wife attacking her and trying to cancel her when in fact she and her followers are the one under every post talking shit to Felica 😭
I’m an SA survivor. For some of these people to turn and tone police the victim and his family and then “call out” the way they spoke about their experience is horrible. I don’t care if people were playing into it.
Consent can be revoked at any time and you are not owed kindness or a call in from someone creating a boundary.
The second-hand embarrassment made me itch. And the fact she won't let it go. Noone is entitled to this man SMH
The teams PR was in the wrong. But people need to chill thirsting or shipping REAL LIFE PEOPLE. its one thing if she was like "oh Rhysand break my back" but this is a real person
Okay, I do not understand the connection between hockey and booktok at all but I live near Seattle and the Kraken hype has been next level this year. They went from worst in the league last year to making the playoffs this year, good for them, their PR team definitely didn’t need to s*xualize any team members to build the hype. That was a misstep for sure.
But also people have got to realize that celebrities are humans and they deserve boundaries and consent just like any other human.
And men who catcall women always say it’s meant to be a joke and it’s all the woman’s fault if she doesn’t find it funny. I really hate seeing a woman use that exact same excuse to harass a man. I know it won’t be, because internet, but I hope this becomes a jumping off point for people to learn about consent. Thanks as always for the great video Jess!
Hockey romance books are a big thing this year on booktok. That’s how we got the cross over.
I mean female abusers do exist. Its just we don't take it seriously because "women can't hurt men" its gross. I've seen moms say women sa men are not assualt.
Embarrassing....
How wonderful was the wife's response though?
For anyone who feels sorry for this girl: Would you say the same if a man had made the same statements about a woman? If not then take a look at your double standards. No one has the right to make overtly (or covertly) explicit sexual comments about another person. Being a celebrity doesn’t make you fair game, and saying “oh I was just joking,” is the common thing for people to do when they don’t want to take blame for bad behavior. Sexual harassment is sexual harassment. She’s at fault for her posts, the team is at fault for encouraging her and flying her out. HE is not at fault for saying enough is enough, and his wife is not at fault for calling Kierra and others of her ilk on their nonsense. As a celebrity, especially a sports one, there is a certain amount of that kind of thing that you’re prepared to deal with. But that doesn’t mean you have to put up with all of it, or that you have to be comfortable with it. It’s disgusting that she tried to make this into a race thing. Maybe other women didn’t hold their leg up to display some of the holes you wanted him to fill. Maybe others didn’t say on a public platform that he should take his mouth guard out so you could put something else in his mouth. Maybe others weren’t making such degrading statements. His being male doesn’t make this ok. It’s just as wrong to sexually harass a man as it is to do it to a woman.
A man who did this would have been, at the very least, banned from TikTok, and may have even lost his job. She deserves nothing less. If you don’t know how to act in public then you need to keep quiet in public.
I like that you said that everyone can change their mind,including men. It’s really important to recognize and acknowledge that they can be victims of sexual harassment as well.
I can't understand seeing someone talk about a person like that in public and not go "wow thats inappropriate." Just mind boggling.
ooof what a mess. important to shed a light on this and how consent can be revoked at any time and men can be sexually harassed too
When I first saw Felicia's post, I did not even NOTICE Kierra's name on that one screenshot until she started playing the victim and saying she'd been called out personally. What I believe Felicia was trying to do (which is backed up by her second statement where she said she hadn't meant to attack any specific person) was bring attention to the NASTY comment that was ABOVE Kierra's name. Why Kierra made herself into a martyr I do not understand.
"But the Kraken have deleted all those videos to try and cover themselves!!!" And?? MAYBE--and stay with me here--it's because they found out that a member of the team they WORK for was uncomfortable with those videos, and decided to delete them out of respect to him and his family???? Just a thought.
That being said, the Kraken absolutely should not have played into this whole situation, and I'm sure there are things going on behind the scenes to straighten it all out. I don't know why Kierra and co couldn't have just apologized and then SAT DOWN. That's all they had to do. Leaving vile comments on Alex/Felicia/the Kraken's insta pages is NOT IT.
I never got why the Seattle social media team even used it for promo because they were already super popular with sold out tickets, someone needs to talk to the person in charge for sure but yeah the tiktokers posting harassing commentary and then going after the wife for expressing a boundary AND EVEN COMMENTING SEXUAL COMMENTS ON PICTURES WITH THEIR KIDS is just not on
This is some of the most obnoxious sexual harassment I've ever seen like why is she yelling in public this is so bad. She is so far over the line, it's completely OK to acknowledge that someone is attractive but there is a time and a place and a line before it becomes inappropriate.
This is always wild to me as a gender fluid person because a lot of cis women never stop and think... Would this be okay if a man did it? And some think it's feminism to be foul and it's not.
What is wild to me is she went BEYOND what they normally do on BookTok she said she wanted to sit on his face. Like she legit dehumanized the dude and said "but I always do this" Then her saying "It's cause im Black" is crazy to me it's always a Barbie wig bish who very much doesn't even embrace her Blackness in any other scope to try to rile it. Like girl your target audience and the men you do this to are all white.
Oh god, I was wondering if there was gonna be an ep on this 🙃 I saw this mostly from the hockey twt side because to me BookTok is a scourge, and that in and of itself was unhinged af
Edit: i'd like to add that Felicia (Alex Wennberg's wife) was incredibly respectful and just because she thought it was funny at first doesn't mean Kierra never crossed a line. Also, Kierra's PUBLIC TIKTOK is worthy of scrutiny. Felicia never said her name and never showed anything private. Like wtf
The social media team for the hockey team definitely should be held accountable for this too. Should've done their research, reached out to the players and family members when appropriate and made sure everyone was on the same page.
….. the hockey marketing team definitely getting a bombastic side eye for leaning into her antics BUT also, she was a bit…. 😵💫there are limits and people are allowed to change their minds
I think while I agree that Kierra may be getting an unfair proportion of backlash, but her posts defending herself are not a good look. She should’ve just apologized and moved on. She shouldn’t be victim blaming the family. The timing of a response should not be weighed against the initial response. It’s is very fair for the wife to be okay with it initially and then later decide that it has become too much. I can understand how she might feel singled out, but the family doesn’t owe her anything tbh.
People acting like oh the wife only made a comment because they are having trouble in their marriage need a reality check. People are making gross comments on Instagram with their child. I’d make a statement too.
Her whole account is the epitome of "Oh, that's not--"
I admit I'm commenting before finishing this video but, GAWD she is like an entire obnoxious bachelorette party rolled into one person.
She seems like the type of person who would grope and harass the strippers with the excuse of "It's your job or you put yourself out here."
This is a great comment! 😂😂😂
This controversy got so bad that hockey sports commentators on TH-cam are making videos about it and they are so discombobulated.
even just regular drama channels are making videos too 😭
Yeah, it's shitty that the team hasn't made a statement but we don't know whats going on behind the scenes. I'm sure they have lawyers going over everything to make sure it's handled appropriately. So far, I think deleting everything and distancing themselves is the best they can do publically for the well being of their players and the orginasation as a whole.
Watching her videos was so cringe. I can't imagine any world where saying those things and doing those things would be acceptible. And honestly I think the backlash towards her in particular is deserved. And she handled it so poorly. She wants to claim to be the queen of booktok with over a million followers and claim to have put the team on the map, yeah I'd call her out too. What's that saying about cutting it off at the head.
As for the wife and her husband, I don't think they did anything wrong at all. I think both had well put together statements and the only downside is she had to take it into her own hands to stand up for herself and her husband.
I think this is a lesson for everyone moving forward.
This was her brand. She did this with male country singers. She “found” booktok after that started to die off and then that took off for her. Also imagine how it feels to have your job objectifying you and knowing speaking up
Could cause you to loose your job and possibly stop being able to take care of your family? So he and other players may have never been comfortable with it to start with. Imagine how his wife must’ve felt If she was at the game with Kiera being there yelling that stuff at her man in person. I bet Kiera would feel differently if it was her man a woman was going this to. Just a messy situation all around. Alex may have asked his wife to speak up because there would be less professional repercussions for him if she did it and not him.
She became a caricature / made herself a caricature. This is one of the reasons some people have issues with Tiffany Haddish. So many larger conversations here with this behavior…
Hockey fan and reader here! BookTok getting hyped for hockey has me incredibly split. I'm all for people getting interested in hockey, but sexualizing players (anyone really) in this way ain't it. The hockey community already has some questionable and serious history in their conduct (World Jr's, Chicago Blackhawks, Team Canada, it goes on) and I'm concern this may and can feed and enhance this behaviour for the worse. I hope the Kraken social team is changed or they get through some sort of training. Wouldnt be surprised if at the next Players/General Managers meeting, social media would be a topic in negotiations.
Oh this brings up so many thoughts! I used to work in an office where a young female coworker would go on an ON in meetings about how attracted she was to the man who was the head of our department. It used to make me so uncomfortable. I work mostly with women, but there were always 2-3 men in the room and you could tell they were uncomfortable too. I wish I had said something at the time. If a man had done that same thing in a public work setting, he would have been in big trouble. I honestly think the worst part here is that the hockey team is getting away with encouraging this young woman to continue posting. They could probably get in legal trouble because the player is their employee, and they were actively encouraging this harassment against him. But, they are a large, wealthy entity, who can afford lawyers to help them navigate and delete posts, etc. And its the individuals (on both sides) who are left dealing with the pain and continued harassment from people sending them comments and hate messages. Anyway, thank you so much for making a video about this. I'm so old and out of touch, I never would have known about it if it weren't for your video, and it really does bring up a lot of important issues. Thank you!
I can relate to this too! Some I had to witness this one girl make really gross remarks about our professor when he wasn’t in the room and it made me SO uncomfortable. I think it was a wake up call to how disgusting thirsting over someone can get and sound to other people. Luckily I told the department and she’s only been to like 3 classes this semester.
All sides could have handled this situation better. Kierra is completely out of control and needs mental health counseling. The Seattle Kraken did not handle this situation well. Their social media consultant failed. I do feel bad for the Wennbergs. I wish AW, not his wife, spoke directly to Kierra from the beginning.
If he had she and her following would have seen it as encouragement no matter what he said. Any engagement the victim gives their sexual harasser is always taken as secret encouragement.
I understand why AW hesitated to come forward first. Directly confronting harassers can be intimidating and incredibly uncomfortable and I would never ask a female victim to do the same thing. His wife had a right to say 'this is getting out of hand and this is uncomfortable for us, please stop' because she was being affected as well. Whether it was coming directly from AW or not that should be reason enough to just stop doing it.
If men did this about the women's soccer team, cheer leaders, gymnasts and others we would be yelling and screaming because of the rudeness... This is crazy and disgusting.
She comes off as so immature and cringe with the thirsting. Its legit embarrassing. And the worst is her comment sections saying "you go girl" and encouraging her false flag of the race card.
"Is this your queen?" is such a funny title 😅 like "bitch, you live like this?"
I wish Booktok would just go away. It hasn’t brought much of any value to the book world but has allowed way too much trashy behavior to slip through under the guise of reading. Wanting to fancast/dreamcast romance novels is totally fine and has been happening for as long as Google Images existed. However, actually going after real people and making lewd comments? thats creepy. All they care about is "spice" (aka sex) so their behavior doesn't shock me, but still its not an excuse. Booktok gives alot of us romance readers such a bad name with their behavior.
Very much agreed. I have yet to see anything good come out of BookTok, and I doubt it will happen anytime soon.
What appalled me was how her fans victim blame the hockey player and his wife. “She’s jealous” “He should’ve expected it, because he’s famous”.
If a man put up a video with such blatant sexual harassment, they would be hit by a restraining order. And shame on the Seattle social/PR team encouraging behavior like this.
@jess
Her obnoxious content is only half the issue.
I am absolutely disgusted to find out that authors I have loved and supported for years are paying this creator "Thousands" of dollars to put out these vile videos.
$8000 for a single 30 second video. And upwards of $22k for reaction videos insta post and a guaranteed book club pick. Like WTF?
All of which she did without disclosing. Since being called out she has gone back and marked some videos as paid partnerships.
There are so many layers to the insanity.
A certain author publicized her on the Today show. And she has been on panels at signings.
She is making everyone look bad with this crazy. Content creators, Reviewers, Authors and the Romance book world as a whole. 🤦🏼♀️ can you say hot mess.
Damn I wasn’t ready for that video 😂. It’s giving “PICK MEEE, CHOOSE MEEEE” 😅
I wasn't ready for that "enthusiastic" reaction.Too early in the day for that energy.
Yeah...Kierra's response to this was awful. Getting upset over someone setting boundaries is, to put it mildly, just not a good look.
Except, she didn’t DM her to say stop. She chose to publicly humiliate her and play the martyr, so of course Kierra is upset.
@@JungianHeights except the screenshot that Felicia posted was trying to bring attention to the nasty comment ABOVE Kierra's name (posted by someone else entirely), not attack Kierra specifically. Kierra chose to make herself a martyr for no reason.
@@readingrapunzel5092 Right, but as Felicia knows, it doesn’t matter who is included or what your intentions are, people will seek out any name they can see. She isn’t stupid.
@@JungianHeights OR they would have sought out the person who actually commented, but luckily Kierra threw herself in front of all the hate so that girl probably escaped unscathed.
@@JungianHeights But Felicia said her post wasn't just about Kierra, it was about the objectifying behavior and catcalling OVERALL. And even if that wasn't the case, Felicia was expressing that she was uncomfortable with the behavior and setting a clear boundary. She wasn't "playing the martyr" she was pointing out that actions perpetrated by many people had crossed a line and she was uncomfortable and wanted it to stop.
I had a visceral reaction every time she hollered “HELLO” in her video.
My exact reaction to this was "Big Yikes!" *cringe* also that this makes me want tot steer clear from TikTok even more.
Why does she think her comments being humor/jokes means they can’t also be sexual harassment??
this girl harassed this man to hell...
"faceclaims" under a real person's pictures is low-key crossing a line. we have forgotten that celebrities are people with feelings and boundaries.
edit: why is miss ma'am thirsting about all these wm?! it's embarrassing bec. it's so unrequited.
the team used those videos as "marketing"?! this is so exploitative of their own player.
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@@moustik31 It's so gross that the team behind this exploited them like that, it makes me so uncomfortable! (and I'm sure some of them were too)
@@BooksToAshes Yes, both the wife and husband mentioned feeling pressured to remain silent.
Ikrrr. Like, is that not sick to them???
If you go through the twitter comments on a thread featuring an attractive man, a lot of the comments are like that of what the girl is saying in her TikToks. I’ve never realized how widespread this type of objectification is until this controversy. I understand thirsting over someone you find attractive but what happened to group chats? What happened to journals? I couldn’t imagine people saying explicit stuff like that about my partner, them expressing discomfort, and then me not saying anything? Absolutely not.
The social media team is in the wrong but Kiara seems like she's okay with putting out this gross content. It must not have seemed wrong to her in the moment. If she raises the standards for what she puts out into the world, she won't deal with these issues. On a side note, why the yelling? I will never follow someone who yells all the time. Also, I know that when my husband and I face a new issue in our life we need time to talk it through and decide how we are going to deal with it, hoping that it will maybe go away or waiting a few days to respond so that we can make sure we are on the same page. There is nothing wrong with changing your response once you have processed the issue.
Yeah Seattle person here and the team was ABSOLUTELY leaning into the whole booktok thing HARD. It's super shitty that they are acting like they didn't??? The individual creators should not be the ones taking the fall here, especially not just a particular Black woman when there were a lot of vids allllll around this during the playoffs. Just a messy situation and agree, everyone should just stop now that any discomfort was expressed by any player. And now I'm gonna need the kraken team to step up and be accountable. And booktok to move on and just be like ok, got it. Come on folks.
Yes, the team's social media person needs to take accountability! And everyone needs to understand why this is wrong and do better
All this!!!
All this!!!
I think the most likely scenario is that that’s being dealt with privately between the Wennbergs, team management, and the SM team. Any public statement at this point is just going to add fuel to the fire and make it more newsworthy. This creator clearly isn’t going to shut up about it until she’s run out of fuel. The more it gets talked about publicly, the more the videos will be shared and talked about, and the more harassment for everybody. The best path forward is not always going to be public.
I'm pretty angry about this on multiple levels, as a book lover, as someone who enjoys hockey (I'm a Hurricanes fan though), and having seen this kind of thing happen in multiple fandom spaces, over and over again.
And I have an exercise science/sports med/some sports marketing background, so I have so much to say about how many things went wrong and terrible here.
I saw the Kraken's original posts and they were flagging booktok but they were just slowmos of the players walking out in their suits. She started the trend with the thirsty over the top catcalling and objectifying of players and then she got pissed when she got called out.
I'm white so I admit I might be missing some kind of micro racial nuance but I don't understand why she brought race into it at all. Her videos where the most over the top sexual and I firmly believe that game they flew her put for was a turning point those players heard her for sure and it gave them the ick and talked to management to pull those original thirst posts tagging booktok and it progressed from there.
"I'm white, therefore I must be racist🙄"
The secondhand embarrassment I got from those tiktoks 💀
Right? I had to mute the damn thing. Seeing her hike her leg up was so gross.
I'm physically cringing
"you can be sex positive without exploiting others"
it's the fact that she was doing all that at the *rink.* IN REAL LIFE.
whatever happened to shame?
They flew her out to do it 😂
As an athlete her comments during the warmup make me incredibly uncomfortable
And here I thought Booktube was messy :x
I saw this on Twt and I was confused and I thought "I wish we have Book Communitea ep for this" and now I see this yeeeey thank you 😁
There’s nothing I hate more than when people say “it was just a joke” in defense. Yeah and we’re not laughing. Some things should not be made into jokes.
Her reaction is wild. This player’s wife was nothing but respectful when she explained how it makes herself and her husband uncomfortable on a daily basis. Especially bc it wasn’t just online, but crossed into his real life- his literal work environment, where he’s required to be- when she went to the hockey game.
Content like that about real athletes, celebrities, etc is a bit much. They’re not fictional characters. She can say things like that all she wants about fictional men, bc there’s nobody harmed by that, but there is a line between fiction and reality that needs to be respected.
Oof she is not for me. But yeah the team needs to take some responsibility too. The comments on photos of their kids were way too far.
The Seattle Hockey team is 100% at fault, not a victim, in this situation. They *paid money* for her to be there, and they benefited from those videos.
They are both at fault. That does not excuse what she said at all
There is a difference in reactions. When they were made aware that it crossed a line, they removed content. We have no idea what conversations were had behind the scenes as well. They made the changes they need to in order to protect their employees.
“Hello!”…is that her catchphrase? It’s so annoying, as an aside. This is gross. Imagine someone shouting the things she’s shouting at a woman. People would lose their minds (rightfully)! There is no reason to be this way in public with someone you don’t know and aren’t in a relationship with. So gross.
her words don’t even sit right with me, it feels so icky. i agree with you and the wife on this.
even using the race card is no excuse. if you do something wrong, acknowledge that and admit it.
The way I canceled all my appointments to watch this video 😂😂😂
Good thing you posted when you did cause she deleted all the tiktoks
Also a lot of booktokers don’t even know who she is lol
Also she’s so annoying. Her voice makes me cringe
Also the fake tears stopped real quick. Plus the “it’s because I’m a Black creator” sweetie Black booktok does not claim you cause you don’t claim us
of course she did!!
Yeah, I expected the deleting would happen at some point.
it seems another case of people not realising that they are interacting with other PEOPLE on the internet, and thinking that the internet is no-man's land...
Her excuse is "well the NHL was pimping him out"
Clicked on this video thinking I didn't know what was going on, realised I saw the jersey picture on twitte. But I had no idea what was going on though someone was promoting a hockey romance book
Lmaooooooo at "I mean, I wouldn't comment, but I would giggle" is hilarious
As a black female hockey fan who also reads erotica, this whole situation makes me cringe so hard. Yes, she’s getting more heat b/c she’s black…but you also did things that made people deeply uncomfortable. People have a right to tell you to stop when your actions cross their personal boundaries.
I def block that kind of content as well because it makes me very uncomfortable. I agree the social media team needs to be taking on some of this accountability
I'm new to TikTok as a whole and have avoided BookTok because I hated most of the books that were popular there, but this is so wrong and embarrassing. You'd think people will know better these days and are people not worried about their digital footprint anymore?!
I seriously dont understand when people do this to celebrities loke they arent real people. Like its one thing when my sister and and i are sitting at home watching a show like i would have his babies and its another to tag them or go to their socials.
She's the RL creepy replies under those PopCrave tweets
it's so wild that you brought wood chopping guy in here because the clear divide is men who have actively created accounts consenting to these encounters with their audiences
(even he has set boundaries.)
the team can be at fault for hyping the fanfare up, but they can also be commended for wiping it away when one of their players has advised they feel uncomfortable. we should applaud them for it actually it shows they care enough about players bodily autonomy to remove them.
i just don't understand what is so hard for people to realise consent can be revoked at any time and you are not entitled to other people's bodies??? no matter how famous they are? there's gotta be a ven diagram of women who exclusively read romance/erotica, and women who dont understand consent here.
also as a side note it is truly hilarious as a hockey fan to see her claiming she made this team relevant.
WOW great videos Jess. And great reminder they are players/ people and not just for thirst
"Do this to me, Danny -"
Me, knowing nothing about celebrities: Danny Phantom??
what it boils down to is she thought it was ok to behave like this (she started it!) and now that she's realizing that it's inappropriate and CRINGEY AF she's embarrassed and doubles down and points fingers. gtfoh, weirdo!
😳 good gravy that was uncomfortable to watch
Yikes! I'm embarrassed for her. If it's inappropriate for men to do it to women, then it's in appropriate for women to do it to men. We should apply a standard globally otherwise people get confused and it creates disparities M/M, F/F, M/F, whatever.
I hope in addition to taking the videos down, the team apologized to Alex and his wife. They might be the only ones who finally spoke up, but how many other players were also affected? Kids go to these games and she's there yelling that kind of stuff, like have some common sense and respect for the other fans around you. People need to start owning their own behaviour instead of blaming it on someone else or trying to say, well the team did it so it's okay for me. I've also been harassed too many times only for the men to be all "we're just joking around" to ever support someone who tries to defend themselves by saying it's just humor.
Jess has become my comfort watch. This is probably the 4th time I have watched/listened to this video alone.
Pr/marketing, management aka corporation handled it the wrong way. Kierra should have just apologized about the videos and moved on. Her making the videos calling her his wife a bitch and karen. Plus, she's implying allegation concerning her marriage on a live is not putting her in a negative light.
To be honest, the wife doesn't have to respond to Kierra's DMs. The wife and husband made statements that videos and comments have been inappropriate. What is there to discuss with Kierra?
There's a way to tell someone you think they're attractive and this is not it. So awkward all the way around.. 😅 it's ok to keep some things to yourself.
I didn’t think I could be surprised by how people behave in public//online but here we are….why do women think it’s okay to objectify men like this??