To try everything Brilliant has to offer - free - for a full 30 days, visit brilliant.org/polyMATHY . The first 200 to sign up will get 20% off Brilliant’s annual premium subscription. The best way to learn Latin is with the book Lingua Latina Per Se Illustrata: Familia Romana, which uses a continuous narrative, like a novel, to teach the Latin language through context alone. These recordings introduce the student to good pronunciation; however, one must purchase the book from Amazon in order to learn Latin with them. Purchase Lingua Latina Per Se Illustrata: Familia Romana from Amazon at this link : amzn.to/3IHEOIW 📕 Irene La Preziosa, with whom I co-authored "Fabula Anatīna" ( bit.ly/fabulaanatina ), has generously offered her beautiful Italian voice to this improved version of the recordings for LLPSI Familia Romana. She has our eternal thanks! Summās grātiās tibi agō, Pāx mea. 🕊 The LLPSI series can also be purchased through regional distributors Vivarium Novum, Focus/Hackett Publishing, Cultura Clásica, Addisco, & NewSouth Books. The video does *not* include the important and necessary exercises, vocabulary lists, indices, or grammatical explanations (all of which are critical to make any use of the text) found in the complete book Familia Romana, which is by far the best instrument ever designed to teach the Latin language. The main purpose of this recording is to students understand correct pronunciation of Latin, and is intended for educational use only. The secondary purpose is to encourage others to purchase the books of the Lingua Latina series. 👨🏫 My Lingua Latina Per Se Illustrata playlist · Free Latin Lessons: th-cam.com/video/j7hd799IznU/w-d-xo.html This recording is unique in that it preserves all long and short vowels and syllables, as well as the correct scansion and rhythm of the phrase, exactly as encountered in Ancient Roman poetry. It represents one of the most accurate interpretations of the pronunciation of Classical Latin (roughly 100 B.C. to 200 A.D.). When using these videos, pause after each phrase, and repeat after the recording. Try to emulate what you hear as exactly as possible: clearly pronounce the long and short vowels, the long and short syllables, and follow the rhythm and the melody of the phrase just like music. Note the elision or mixing of vowels between words, a vital part of the pronunciation of Latin and all the Romance languages. The result will be an exceedingly natural pronunciation that will permit you to understand intuitively the scansion of Latin poetry, and to speak Latin with native-style fluency. See this playlist on Latin pronunciation for more: th-cam.com/play/PLU1WuLg45SizQQ5VwufQbCB9rL-Z3VIUJ.html See also my Extensive Reading video for how to use this book: th-cam.com/video/JTWKpNy96EM/w-d-xo.html 🔊 Audio file download for Patreon supporters: www.patreon.com/posts/61864010 🦂 Support my work on Patreon: www.patreon.com/LukeRanieri 📚 Luke Ranieri Audiobooks: luke-ranieri.myshopify.com 🤠 Take my course LATIN UNCOVERED on StoryLearning, including my original Latin adventure novella "Vir Petasātus" learn.storylearning.com/lu-promo?affiliate_id=3932873 🦂 Sign up for my Latin Pronunciation & Conversation series on Patreon: www.patreon.com/posts/54058196 🏛 Ancient Greek in Action · Free Greek Lessons: th-cam.com/play/PLU1WuLg45SixsonRdfNNv-CPNq8xUwgam.html ☕ Support my work with PayPal: paypal.me/lukeranieri 📚 Luke Ranieri Audiobooks: luke-ranieri.myshopify.com ▶ Join the channel to support it: th-cam.com/channels/RllohBcHec7YUgW6HfltLA.htmljoin 🌅 ScorpioMartianus on Instagram: instagram.com/lukeranieri/ 🦁 Legio XIII Latin Language Podcast: th-cam.com/users/LegioXIII 🎙 Hundres of hours of Latin & Greek audio: lukeranieri.com/audio 👕 Merch: teespring.com/stores/scorpiomartianus 🦂 www.ScorpioMartianus.com 🦅 www.LukeRanieri.com
Such a pleasure to hear Latin without the usual thick accent. I could listen to these two all day, and wish they had provided the voices for Duolingo, Mango Languages, et al.
That was so easy to understand as a romanian, except a few words that I deduced. I didn't expect the plural form of the nouns to be so similar. Keep it up, you both are great!
As an italian who have never studied latin at school this is 98% understandable at the point where it just makes sense without even thinking about the fact that it's basically another language. I had the same feeling reading texts in interlingua. It's just so easy to get the meaning of what you read that it doesn't seem a different language at all. It's almost like hearing someone that knows the grammatical structure but has no proper vocaboulary to express it (which is exactly the opposite if we think that italian is the one derived from latin) but anyway way more undersandable than what I tought at first (maybe thanks to your job of choosing phrases specifically intended to be easy to grasp for a beginner) and fun to read and hear nonetheless (even if I'm used more to hear quotations and stuff like that with the "italianised" pronunciation of Ecclesiastical Latin, which since it had been the standard for more than 1500 years I do believe is a fair approach to the language too, especially since it's easier for us to pronounce and a natural evolution of the original Latin.
I agree, but I don't think that the Ecclesiastical pronunciation would sound natural unless it also has the qualities that constitute Classical Latin, like distinct phonemic vowel lengths, nasal vowels (-am, -em, -im and -um for example) and elisions. The nature and grammar of Latin is based on phonemic vowel length. Also, if you want the words to be understood, you don't have to fully elide final vowels before initial vowels, but you can do it halfway, just like a Spanish speaker or Italian would normally do when they speak their native languages.
@@Brandon55638 But it indeed sounds natural because you do pronounce it as you would pronounce italian. Trust me, whenever we hear latin spoken with the Ecclesiastical proninciation (which is the one used in churches, by the Vatican and taught at school) we 100% understand the words and it absolutely sounds natural to us. This might be an issue of non-neolatin speaking countries (which are able to make italian sound unnatural too when speaking it oftentimes, especially if you come from a germanic language or other too phonetically different forms of speech) but it wouldn't have been modified the way it is today if it didn't sound natural to the italian speakers.
@@Brandon55638 Also, the ecclesiastical pronunciation doesn't change that much from the original one as you say, maybe you lose nasalization in a couple of words here and there (but almost never) and the biggest difference is that you don't always pronounce the a in the æ sound depending on the word (and I assure you that those diphthongs are superfuous since in italian we do not have them at all, the whole thing is replaced by open and close "e " sound, which may be confusing for a non-native speaker but for us "e" already has two clearly different sounds) and aside of that "ci" is pronounced like in italian, with a soft c [t͡ʃ] (like in english you would pronounce "chi" in the name of the mexican state of Chihuahua), instead of "ki", but ecclesiastical latin is the natural evolution of latin pronunciation in Italy, it wasn't coded like the "classical" one, therefore it sounds way better and absolutely more natural than the other version to italians. The optimal example is "Graecia" which contains both things; in one case is pronounced [ˈɡräe̯kiä] and in the other [ˈɡrɛːt͡ʃiä]. As you can see the main difference is that, and to know that it was "ae" you get a prolonged open "e" as a result. Almost everything else is the same.
@@stefanomartello3786I understand what you're talking about because I sometimes use the Ecclesiastical pronunciation. All I was saying is, Latin has natively long and short vowels because it's a mora-timed language unlike Italian, which is a stress-timed language. This is also why the Latin idioms in ancient Roman literature are different from the idioms of most Romance languages. It's very important to know and understand where the long vowels are in order to fully understand Latin conversational idioms (as in the Cōnfābulātiōnēs Tīrōrum Litterāriōrum, for example) regardless of which pronunciation you are using because the cases and conjugations are determined by vowel length.
I had to take a Latin class back at my German university. It was terrible!!! I took it for several weeks, didn't understand anything, and was bored to tears. I came upon your channels by chance and you have made Latin sound so appealing, and strangely alive that I started to learn it again.
Finally started learning Latin and I can't thank you enough for this recommendation and for reading the book to help with pronunciation. Your channel has been the biggest help for me.
I can't tell you how much i appreciate this! Even as a beginner I can hear when I compare the old videos with the newer ones that your pronunciation has changed. It's more consistent and feel more natural now, and I also think you've changed the quality of some sounds a bit. I've been thinking it would be great if you made new versions of at least the first of the LLPSI-videos, but I didn't think that would actually happen, as I understand there is a lot of work behind it. I feel it's easier to "understand" the differens between long and short vowels in this more fluent reading. And though I love your voice, as a woman i think it's helpful to get a female voice to. So a big thanks to the both of you!
@@ScorpioMartianus Yea I agree. At the start, your articulation felt a bit forced (not in this video). Like, I want to hear you rap or get drunk and speak in Latin to hear a more natural pronunciation.
@@ScorpioMartianus oh I haven't really watched those. I mainly saw your Pompeii series (some parts definitely felt more natural though). Keep at it and congrats on the channel! Slavsya!
Agree 99%. I enjoy this quite a lot. Seems more natural, especially using more reasonable vowel lengths. I still have some amount of preference towards a slightly different pronunciation due to me being Romanian. There are various places where I would use aspirated "c" and "g" (before they were palatalized there was likely a long transitional period as it was with "ph") as well as never shortening "est" to
Wow, I can’t imagine setting out to do it all again! I am finding the old version incredibly useful for teaching my son (11). We were just listening to Capitulum XVI in the car yesterday. Thank you!
Oh great! Yes, Irene and I have a lot of fun reading this together, so hopefully we can finish a new set of recordings this year. Salūtem tibi et fīliō tuō dīcimus!
@@Sk0lzky My boy certainly enjoys it. It was his idea, and he wanted to do it seriously rather than replicate his experience with elementary-school Spanish. He’s kept up the interest for a year and half so far. I’m hoping he keeps keen till he reaches a good level, but even if he doesn’t it will still have been worthwhile in so many ways.
Muito melhor est hahaha. Dá cadência e dinâmica. Parece aquelas novelas antigas de rádio. Aqui é Nível altissimo. Um dia quando for bem velho vai ter um Athenaze, um Italiano secondo il metodo natura e um François par le method nature do mesmo jeito. Ὁ Δικαιόπολις και i Rossi et le Duclos hoc exspectant.
I just started with this book, thanks to you! Its amazing that you put the time and energy into making an audio version so that one can hear it aswell. Many thanks from a Swede living in Denmark!🇸🇪🇩🇰
I’m really glad you find it useful! Best of luck on your Latin journey. This is where mine started as well. Keep pushing till you get to chapter 34! It’s amazing.
Back in the days, when I had to study Latin in school. I used to hate it. But in 2020, after having gotten acquainted with Spanish, French and Portuguese, I discovered an interest in Latin. To see where it all comes from, to connect the threads and similarities. All of a sudden, I felt so pulled into this topic. I started doing lessons on Duolingo and loved it. Then, in January of 2021 I decided to try out 'Lingua latina per se illustrata' because the Latin tree on Duolingo is so short and I was thirsty for more and I really loved the idea of learning Latin in Latin only. And voilà! It was so invigorating! At the same time I got to know this guy's channel here on TH-cam. Now, a year later I go through this playlist based on that book and it gives me so much joy. I want to thank you for this amazing content. And may I suggest, why not make it a Podcast or a podcast in general on Spotify? Reading and doing exercises is one thing but hearing it is another. I'd listen to it, for sure!
Nice to hear this again, I have been studying only Japanese an Russian for months now but I still remember a lot of this lessons like it was yesterday, and I am definetively rewatching all of it.
Probably read this chapter of LLPSI enough to have most of it committed to memory, but I enjoyed watching this video anyway because it was just so pleasant to listen to. Both of you have excellent voices and excellent pronunciation. Latin is a gorgeous language and one that I'll need to revisit one day despite having moved on to other languages for the time being.
Wow, I learned French for two years in school and absolutely hated it because of the teaching method they had, but still some things I can remember. But this method is so easy and understandable. Cap. I I can fully comprehend just by listening to it. Lots of words are relatable even from German(my first language). I can not find to many similarities to Afrikaans(my second language) but many to English(my third) I ordered Lingua Latina pars I today, can’t wait to start studying. Thanks so much for putting this video online, I really appreciate it! Without I would not have ordered Lingua Latina per se Illustata Pars I
I’ve had the book for months, and been really hesitant to read much, because I figured my pronunciation would be a total wreck…. Thank you so much for this!!!
Finally, I've placed my listening to this first chapter. I've understood all. Later on, this afternoon, I will have placed my listening for the next chapter. Vocalizing & listening... vocalizing & listening.
Thank you for this new version. It sounds very nice. I have just started working in the book and I am working through this chapter. It's good to have it to listen to. I am really grateful that we now have so many videos and podcasts in Latin. I have never had a good handle on the language because I only had translating as a means of learning. Your channel and those of others are changing that. Thank you.
Es maravilloso este método, te atrapa completamente, lo usé mucho en la universidad. Les agradezco mucho el haberse tomado el tiempo para hacerlo y subirlo. Gratia vobis ago.
@@Glossologia I have been practicing it with the French sounds like you mentioned. However, my Latint teacher mentioned it's ok to pronounce it as an "ee" (English sound) due to some people not supporting the erasmian system. Thoughts?
@@anakinvader9120 It has nothing to do with Erasmian - it's well established by the available evidence that the letter υ in Greek wasn't pronounced like /i/ by most speakers until about a thousand years ago. In some dialects of Greek it never was pronounced the same as /i/, including one dialect where the original ü sound was preserves until the 1950's or so (now this dialect is gone but we have recordings). That said, there's nothing wrong with pronouncing it /i/ in Latin, since it's a borrowed sound from Greek that most speakers would not have been able to pronounce.
Multas gratias, magister Luci, pro hoc magna opera et pro labore. (Quaeso errata in textu ignoscas, - soy principiante). Gracias, maestro Lucius, por esta gran obra de divulgación del latín, compré tu curso y además este libro, por recomendación tuya y estoy muy contento. Estos vídeos son el complemento perfecto para aprender a pronunciar ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐
The mother of a friend of mine is a high school Latin teacher and I have always been jealous she got the book as a free sample! I need to buy it eventually.
Thank you for putting this work in! These videos are quite a boon to have and learn from. Love your other content too. Ave tibi! Tu es magister maximus!
I went through the first eight chapters a while back but admittedly became frustrated when, after having more or less breezed through chapters I-VII, I hit the wall that is Cap. VIII. But I'm eager to try again thanks to a Percy Jackson-induced interest in mythology, and the new recordings are absolutely fantastic. Greatly looking forward to hearing more of them!
Great! Yes, ch.8, 16, and a few others present some challenges. It’s a great idea to reread the preceding chapters as they reinforce what you know and prepare you for the new material. Keep it up!
Mate… I just found this GOLDMINE of a series. Familia Romana is sitting on my shelf, freshly purchased. Now I have your IMPECCABLE voice to emulate. Wow. I am SO grateful for this and I’m in disbelief that it’s free. We really are in the information age. Just, wow. I can’t wait to begin learning, and I vow to update you personally on my progress!!! - Oliver from Sydney Australia
Thank you very much for this. As a german history student who never had the chance (or now time) to really learn latin, its so great. And as I learnd in germanistic about the language history of german, I'm amazed that some sentence structure here is almost like german. (Rhenus est in Germania = (der) Rhein ist in Germanien) It really works so great.
I would have preferred a redo in ecclesiastical Latin. However, you can't please everyone and it's undeniable that her voice is a great and pleasant addition to your videos. Definitely a good work. Thanks for your efforts.
Learning Latin has been on my to-do list for a while now (after obsessively listening to "Et Nīl Est"), and I think the start of this new version is the perfect excuse to finally start learning. I just ordered my copy of LLPSI Familia Romana, and it should be arriving tomorrow. I look forward to seeing you on the other side, Scorpio.
Coming back to this, I’ve realized the utility of just listening to what is being said-eyes closed-picturing what’s going on. It’s harder than I thought it’d be. Must mean good practice
The feminine voice is amazing and a wonderful addition; I believe increasing the input volume by 10-15% when she records would draw a more equalized sound parity, or mastering it a tool/equalizer. What’s awesome for learners is that the current reading speed helps MASSIVELY with understanding the stops/pacing, pronunciation, and tempo of speaking. 1.25x in the player brings the speed up a moderate and adaptable amount that still sounds natural to me after hearing it for a bit. This is solid brain food.
I agree! I find Irene’s voice to be extremely beautiful (I am of course biased, but I really love it). And more than that, her command of the most important aspects of Latin phonology, like phonemic vowel length, make her such a wonderful example to emulate; plus she is a native Italian speaker, thus she provides a naturalness that I can only dream of imitating. Thanks for listening.
Oh cool, a new version, just about at the same time I'm finally beginning to learn Latin! A second, female voice is a great addition, and the more "correct" classical pronunciation (I'm thinking of the vowel qualities in particular) is nice and less confusing to hear ;) If I may give some suggestions/advices, since I'm a bit familiar with working with sounds: it would be a good thing to do some more mixing/mastering. For instance, Irene's voice should be louder, as the difference in volume between her voice and yours I find a bit too distracting. I also thought her P's were a bit more thumpy than yours (at 4:24), but IDK if it's because of the way she articulates of it's a technical problem (no pop filter or compression/EQ). Also, for potential future recordings, I noticed in the 16th capitulum (Tempestās) your voice was really overpowered at times by the sound effects. To a certain extent it was a good thing as getting overpowered by the storm was quite à propos, but it shouldn't be to the point that you become unintelligible. Aside from audio engineering, another thing that I thought while listening to your readings, is that at times you spoke a little too slowly. I understand why you did it, but I think a little faster would still be beginner-friendly as well as more natural and less time-consuming to listen to (I tried setting the playback speed to 1.5 but it didn't sound good at all). Actually I thought the reading speed was pretty good in this video, so keep it up! Sorry for giving unprompted suggestions, and of course not everybody would agree with them or even notice some of the things I said, but I figured why not give you my opinion anyway!
Thanks for the suggestions! Yes, Irene and I were aware of the contrast while we recorded this. We used the same microphone in fact, and usually she was a bit closer. We believe the difference is just the years of experience I have in projecting my voice into the microphone, whereas Irene has done only a little recording hitherto. Nevertheless I find her voice to be exceedingly beautiful, and her pronunciation is immaculate, thus I hope it will serve well those listening. We expect to resolve these matters in future recordings. Thanks for the feedback.
@@ScorpioMartianus A lovely voice and pronunciation she has indeed :) And as an added bonus the female characters will have a slightly more feminine voice than they used to lol Ah yes experience certainly is a major factor, but you said you were recording on the same mic: both voices recorded at the same time? If so, while convenient in terms of recording, it's a suboptimal way to go about it in terms of audio processing. For instance, male and female voices are usually not EQd and compressed the same way. And then there's the loudness/closeness problem: most mic types sound best at a certain distance and angle from the speaker, and the various speakers/singers can need different amounts of input gain for instance. Anyway, I'm sure you will find a way to make it work, and I look forward to hearing you next pieces!
@@Kurisuto321 Perhaps if we recorded in separate tracks in Garage Band. Do you think the Male/Female presets would be sufficient? What settings would you recommend we try? And yes, same mic recorded at the same time (Rode Podcaster)
@@ScorpioMartianus Yup separate tracks is the way to go. Before recording each speaker separately, you have to set the input gain right; you might know how to do it, but basically: the higher *without peaking* the better. For instance, you might want to set the gain rather high, try speaking as loud as the loudest line of dialogue might require you to speak, lower the gain until you can't see any sign of peaking in Garageband, then lower it a little more to get some headroom. As for the settings, they can vary wildly depending on a lot of factors, but I think for this kind of use (non-musical) presets are usually just fine. If possible, you should choose them from the same preset subcategory (e.g. for spoken voice etc) so that the two processed tracks don't sound too different, which can happen e.g. if one of the presets you use has way more compression than the other. Listen to the tracks separately (to see if there's no audio glitches or clipping, or if it has too unnatural of a sound), then adjust their respective levels so that they sound good together. Finally, it's usually a good thing to apply some processing to the master track, to further homogenize things, using for instance some light compression (light, because at this point you're supposed to already have a layer of compression on both tracks separately). It's very easy to mess a recording by using too many/much effects. The final result should sound natural and relatively close to the original audio files. Hope it helps!
Super excited to listen to this new version, since I remember seeing your comment that there were a couple pronunciations in the old versions you would've liked to change.
Fantastic version! Thank you so much - you prove that old dogs (such as myself) CAN indeed learn new tricks! Just one tiny thing to consider for future chapters/recordings (but maybe it's only that way in my headphones): It sounds as if your voice is a bit louder than Irene's, making it harder to find a happy medium level, where both are understood equally well. But I'm really nitpicking here - thank you again!
As I understand it, if a word boundary is made up of two adjacent vowels (final M included, of course), one of them can be elided. But I've never been able to figure out which of them is - for example, I can hear here "Rōm'est in Italiā", but "Tiberis fluvius in Italiā'st" (I think I might be able to hear a faint /e/, but that could just be my mind getting used to the elisions and inserting the vowel in there) and "Sparta quoque oppidum'st". There's also "Tūscul'oppidum parvum'st" (excuse my cumbersome notation) which has both types. The poetry, meter & recitation videos on polýMATHY seem to suggest that the first vowel should be elided (unless there's a hiatus), though it may just be a poetry thing. So which is "right"? Or does it just not matter, since syllable quantity stays the same either way? P.S. I've never read this chapter as a dialogue (like the corresponding Colloquium), though looking at it now it really does seem obvious. P.P.S. I'm seriously impressed by your (both) performance in this chapter, and I hope that I will learn slowly enough so that at some point these "NEW VERSION" recordings overtake my progress. No pressure, of course. Never pressure.
We hope to meet your wishes in the new recordings! As for elision, our recordings represent a much better picture of this. Completely removing one side or the other of the word boundary is a technique, but in practice the vowels blend together into one syllable, and a part of each is usually heard. This is a spectrum, called synaloephe. Complete elision (removal of the first vowel of the synaloephe) is slightly more possible than prodelision (removal of second vowel), and should be considered end members of this spectrum. Aim for the middle, as you hear in these recordings, and you’ll have the effect naturally uttered in Italian, Spanish, and ancient Latin.
Hey! great to see you revisiting this series. Might I ask why, though? Did the original series have mistakes or was based on an old version of the book? If so, I'll just use this series for catching up with Latin. PS. The shortURL for Fabula Anatīna in the description doesn't seem to work for me. Would love to see your work :D
I’ll fix that URL immediately, thanks. My pronunciation has improved, and Irene, whom you hear in the recording, has helped me a lot in improving it. The older pronunciation was acceptable but not my correct best effort.
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The best way to learn Latin is with the book Lingua Latina Per Se Illustrata: Familia Romana, which uses a continuous narrative, like a novel, to teach the Latin language through context alone. These recordings introduce the student to good pronunciation; however, one must purchase the book from Amazon in order to learn Latin with them.
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Irene La Preziosa, with whom I co-authored "Fabula Anatīna" ( bit.ly/fabulaanatina ), has generously offered her beautiful Italian voice to this improved version of the recordings for LLPSI Familia Romana. She has our eternal thanks! Summās grātiās tibi agō, Pāx mea. 🕊
The LLPSI series can also be purchased through regional distributors Vivarium Novum, Focus/Hackett Publishing, Cultura Clásica, Addisco, & NewSouth Books. The video does *not* include the important and necessary exercises, vocabulary lists, indices, or grammatical explanations (all of which are critical to make any use of the text) found in the complete book Familia Romana, which is by far the best instrument ever designed to teach the Latin language. The main purpose of this recording is to students understand correct pronunciation of Latin, and is intended for educational use only. The secondary purpose is to encourage others to purchase the books of the Lingua Latina series.
👨🏫 My Lingua Latina Per Se Illustrata playlist · Free Latin Lessons:
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This recording is unique in that it preserves all long and short vowels and syllables, as well as the correct scansion and rhythm of the phrase, exactly as encountered in Ancient Roman poetry. It represents one of the most accurate interpretations of the pronunciation of Classical Latin (roughly 100 B.C. to 200 A.D.).
When using these videos, pause after each phrase, and repeat after the recording. Try to emulate what you hear as exactly as possible: clearly pronounce the long and short vowels, the long and short syllables, and follow the rhythm and the melody of the phrase just like music. Note the elision or mixing of vowels between words, a vital part of the pronunciation of Latin and all the Romance languages. The result will be an exceedingly natural pronunciation that will permit you to understand intuitively the scansion of Latin poetry, and to speak Latin with native-style fluency.
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Amazing book and wonderful voices. Thank you Lucius and Irene.
Good job! YOur pronounciation sound way more natural, its an awesome improvement! Keep up the good work!
@@ytbaccount5513 Thanks! I agree; I have Irene to thank.
@@juliocesarpintoribera359 grātiās et tibi agimus.
Such a pleasure to hear Latin without the usual thick accent. I could listen to these two all day, and wish they had provided the voices for Duolingo, Mango Languages, et al.
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With the Irene's voice audios just will get wondrous.. her voice is gorgeous! Thank you Ranieri .. da ei gratias meam, ex Flumime Ianuarii!!!
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That was so easy to understand as a romanian, except a few words that I deduced. I didn't expect the plural form of the nouns to be so similar. Keep it up, you both are great!
I love this! It really helps understanding the language in a natural way. This channel is gold.
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Words cannot describe how happy I am about this reread
We are delighted! thanks for saying so
Mi hija me preguntó por el "Latino". Me acordé de este video y nos regalaste un bonito momento. Me dijo que entendió mucho. ¡Gracias!
As an italian who have never studied latin at school this is 98% understandable at the point where it just makes sense without even thinking about the fact that it's basically another language.
I had the same feeling reading texts in interlingua. It's just so easy to get the meaning of what you read that it doesn't seem a different language at all. It's almost like hearing someone that knows the grammatical structure but has no proper vocaboulary to express it (which is exactly the opposite if we think that italian is the one derived from latin) but anyway way more undersandable than what I tought at first (maybe thanks to your job of choosing phrases specifically intended to be easy to grasp for a beginner) and fun to read and hear nonetheless (even if I'm used more to hear quotations and stuff like that with the "italianised" pronunciation of Ecclesiastical Latin, which since it had been the standard for more than 1500 years I do believe is a fair approach to the language too, especially since it's easier for us to pronounce and a natural evolution of the original Latin.
I agree, but I don't think that the Ecclesiastical pronunciation would sound natural unless it also has the qualities that constitute Classical Latin, like distinct phonemic vowel lengths, nasal vowels (-am, -em, -im and -um for example) and elisions. The nature and grammar of Latin is based on phonemic vowel length. Also, if you want the words to be understood, you don't have to fully elide final vowels before initial vowels, but you can do it halfway, just like a Spanish speaker or Italian would normally do when they speak their native languages.
@@Brandon55638
But it indeed sounds natural because you do pronounce it as you would pronounce italian.
Trust me, whenever we hear latin spoken with the Ecclesiastical proninciation (which is the one used in churches, by the Vatican and taught at school) we 100% understand the words and it absolutely sounds natural to us.
This might be an issue of non-neolatin speaking countries (which are able to make italian sound unnatural too when speaking it oftentimes, especially if you come from a germanic language or other too phonetically different forms of speech) but it wouldn't have been modified the way it is today if it didn't sound natural to the italian speakers.
@@Brandon55638 Also, the ecclesiastical pronunciation doesn't change that much from the original one as you say, maybe you lose nasalization in a couple of words here and there (but almost never) and the biggest difference is that you don't always pronounce the a in the æ sound depending on the word (and I assure you that those diphthongs are superfuous since in italian we do not have them at all, the whole thing is replaced by open and close "e " sound, which may be confusing for a non-native speaker but for us "e" already has two clearly different sounds) and aside of that "ci" is pronounced like in italian, with a soft c [t͡ʃ] (like in english you would pronounce "chi" in the name of the mexican state of Chihuahua), instead of "ki", but ecclesiastical latin is the natural evolution of latin pronunciation in Italy, it wasn't coded like the "classical" one, therefore it sounds way better and absolutely more natural than the other version to italians.
The optimal example is "Graecia" which contains both things; in one case is pronounced [ˈɡräe̯kiä] and in the other [ˈɡrɛːt͡ʃiä].
As you can see the main difference is that, and to know that it was "ae" you get a prolonged open "e" as a result.
Almost everything else is the same.
well yeah, even a german would understand it since they are using indicative sentences and extremelly short btw
@@stefanomartello3786I understand what you're talking about because I sometimes use the Ecclesiastical pronunciation. All I was saying is, Latin has natively long and short vowels because it's a mora-timed language unlike Italian, which is a stress-timed language. This is also why the Latin idioms in ancient Roman literature are different from the idioms of most Romance languages. It's very important to know and understand where the long vowels are in order to fully understand Latin conversational idioms (as in the Cōnfābulātiōnēs Tīrōrum Litterāriōrum, for example) regardless of which pronunciation you are using because the cases and conjugations are determined by vowel length.
I had to take a Latin class back at my German university. It was terrible!!! I took it for several weeks, didn't understand anything, and was bored to tears. I came upon your channels by chance and you have made Latin sound so appealing, and strangely alive that I started to learn it again.
That’s great! Yes, follow these videos and use the book, and you’ll do great
Irene was definitely a lovely addition to your excellent readings of this narrative! Lovely voice, indeed.
Grātiās!
Magna materia discendi et gaudendi linguam Latinam! Gratias vobis ago!
Finally started learning Latin and I can't thank you enough for this recommendation and for reading the book to help with pronunciation. Your channel has been the biggest help for me.
I’m delighted!
I can't tell you how much i appreciate this! Even as a beginner I can hear when I compare the old videos with the newer ones that your pronunciation has changed. It's more consistent and feel more natural now, and I also think you've changed the quality of some sounds a bit. I've been thinking it would be great if you made new versions of at least the first of the LLPSI-videos, but I didn't think that would actually happen, as I understand there is a lot of work behind it.
I feel it's easier to "understand" the differens between long and short vowels in this more fluent reading. And though I love your voice, as a woman i think it's helpful to get a female voice to. So a big thanks to the both of you!
That’s great to hear! Thanks for the comment. I agree with you completely. I have Irene to thank entirely for the improvements I’ve made.
@@ScorpioMartianus Yea I agree. At the start, your articulation felt a bit forced (not in this video). Like, I want to hear you rap or get drunk and speak in Latin to hear a more natural pronunciation.
@@BlitzOfTheReich Stefano, Marina, and I had already had a few when we did that livestream a few months ago on this channel.
@@ScorpioMartianus oh I haven't really watched those. I mainly saw your Pompeii series (some parts definitely felt more natural though). Keep at it and congrats on the channel! Slavsya!
Agree 99%.
I enjoy this quite a lot. Seems more natural, especially using more reasonable vowel lengths.
I still have some amount of preference towards a slightly different pronunciation due to me being Romanian. There are various places where I would use aspirated "c" and "g" (before they were palatalized there was likely a long transitional period as it was with "ph") as well as never shortening "est" to
Wow, I can’t imagine setting out to do it all again! I am finding the old version incredibly useful for teaching my son (11). We were just listening to Capitulum XVI in the car yesterday. Thank you!
Oh great! Yes, Irene and I have a lot of fun reading this together, so hopefully we can finish a new set of recordings this year. Salūtem tibi et fīliō tuō dīcimus!
@@ScorpioMartianus Looking forward to hearing your co-reader’s version of Mean Girl Dōrippa!
I wish someone taught me Latin at 11
@@Sk0lzky My boy certainly enjoys it. It was his idea, and he wanted to do it seriously rather than replicate his experience with elementary-school Spanish. He’s kept up the interest for a year and half so far. I’m hoping he keeps keen till he reaches a good level, but even if he doesn’t it will still have been worthwhile in so many ways.
@@ailblentyn You seem like a great parent, glad to see it
Duas vozes sendo uma feminina dá um bom balanço no diálogo. 👍
Felizes em ouvir! Obrigado
Muito melhor est hahaha. Dá cadência e dinâmica. Parece aquelas novelas antigas de rádio.
Aqui é Nível altissimo. Um dia quando for bem velho vai ter um Athenaze, um Italiano secondo il metodo natura e um François par le method nature do mesmo jeito.
Ὁ Δικαιόπολις και i Rossi et le Duclos hoc exspectant.
I just started with this book, thanks to you! Its amazing that you put the time and energy into making an audio version so that one can hear it aswell. Many thanks from a Swede living in Denmark!🇸🇪🇩🇰
I’m really glad you find it useful! Best of luck on your Latin journey. This is where mine started as well. Keep pushing till you get to chapter 34! It’s amazing.
Does this video have the copy rights for recording the content of the book?
Back in the days, when I had to study Latin in school. I used to hate it. But in 2020, after having gotten acquainted with Spanish, French and Portuguese, I discovered an interest in Latin. To see where it all comes from, to connect the threads and similarities. All of a sudden, I felt so pulled into this topic. I started doing lessons on Duolingo and loved it. Then, in January of 2021 I decided to try out 'Lingua latina per se illustrata' because the Latin tree on Duolingo is so short and I was thirsty for more and I really loved the idea of learning Latin in Latin only. And voilà! It was so invigorating! At the same time I got to know this guy's channel here on TH-cam. Now, a year later I go through this playlist based on that book and it gives me so much joy. I want to thank you for this amazing content. And may I suggest, why not make it a Podcast or a podcast in general on Spotify? Reading and doing exercises is one thing but hearing it is another. I'd listen to it, for sure!
Entendí gran parte del texto y lo que no entendí al comienzo lo fui aprendiendo con todos los ejemplos. ¡Muchas gracias por la enseñanza!🇨🇴
Thank you for making this available with the audio. Very helpful!
Nice to hear this again, I have been studying only Japanese an Russian for months now but I still remember a lot of this lessons like it was yesterday, and I am definetively rewatching all of it.
O melhor método de ensino de latim já feito!
magnum gaudium est mihi audire te et Irenam recitantes! gratias pro vestra pulcherrima recitatione.
Grātiās agimus tibi multās, Carla!
Wow! I just bought the book, but was struggling with pronunciation. This is a huge help, and a great resource. Thanks!
I’m happy to hear that!
FINALLY, one with a proper pronounciation...
I don't know how, but I can understand 90% of this. The audio helps a lot. Thank you
Wooo!!!! All aboard the hype train 🚂 🤪for these new recordings 🎧💿. Can’t wait for the rest of the series! 🥳🍾
Thanks, Reilly! More to come! I appreciate your support.
Superbly sharp recording. I could hardly imagine a clearer rendition.
We are very flattered. Thanks!
Que hermosa y dinámica es esta nueva forma. !salvete magiste!
Probably read this chapter of LLPSI enough to have most of it committed to memory, but I enjoyed watching this video anyway because it was just so pleasant to listen to. Both of you have excellent voices and excellent pronunciation. Latin is a gorgeous language and one that I'll need to revisit one day despite having moved on to other languages for the time being.
Thanks! We’re happy to hear that
Absolument merveilleux! Merci infiniment!
This is a pleasure to listen to! Irene (who is probably tired of this pun) is indeed "preziosa"!
I agree!
Wonderful, great, excellent. It really helps my daughter she's 9, to learn Latin. Scorpio, we love you.
Excelente 👌 capítulo. Muchas gracias, ojalá continúen con los demás capítulos..🇲🇽😃👌
Wow, I learned French for two years in school and absolutely hated it because of the teaching method they had, but still some things I can remember.
But this method is so easy and understandable.
Cap. I I can fully comprehend just by listening to it. Lots of words are relatable even from German(my first language). I can not find to many similarities to Afrikaans(my second language) but many to English(my third)
I ordered Lingua Latina pars I today, can’t wait to start studying.
Thanks so much for putting this video online, I really appreciate it! Without I would not have ordered Lingua Latina per se Illustata Pars I
I’m really glad to hear that!
I’ve had the book for months, and been really hesitant to read much, because I figured my pronunciation would be a total wreck…. Thank you so much for this!!!
Finally, I've placed my listening to this first chapter. I've understood all. Later on, this afternoon, I will have placed my listening for the next chapter. Vocalizing & listening... vocalizing & listening.
Well done!
Salve, Lucius. Tibi gratias. Ego ad lingua Latina novus sum, et litteras tuis adjuvat me discere. Tu es gratum.
Litterīs tuīs lēctīs gaudeō!
It sounds great! Definitely looking forward to the rest of these recordings :)
Thank you for this new version. It sounds very nice. I have just started working in the book and I am working through this chapter. It's good to have it to listen to. I am really grateful that we now have so many videos and podcasts in Latin. I have never had a good handle on the language because I only had translating as a means of learning. Your channel and those of others are changing that. Thank you.
Man, you are helping me SOOOOO much man. thank you for these videos.
Thanks for watching!
Es maravilloso este método, te atrapa completamente, lo usé mucho en la universidad.
Les agradezco mucho el haberse tomado el tiempo para hacerlo y subirlo. Gratia vobis ago.
This is a HUGEEEE help! I just started lingua latina and I was confused as to how the "Y" sounded but this confirmed that it sounds like a U.
I’m glad!
It's not the same as U, but rather like a french U or a German/Turkish ü. Basically it's an /i/ sound pronounced with the lips rounded.
@@Glossologia I have been practicing it with the French sounds like you mentioned. However, my Latint teacher mentioned it's ok to pronounce it as an "ee" (English sound) due to some people not supporting the erasmian system. Thoughts?
@@anakinvader9120 It has nothing to do with Erasmian - it's well established by the available evidence that the letter υ in Greek wasn't pronounced like /i/ by most speakers until about a thousand years ago. In some dialects of Greek it never was pronounced the same as /i/, including one dialect where the original ü sound was preserves until the 1950's or so (now this dialect is gone but we have recordings). That said, there's nothing wrong with pronouncing it /i/ in Latin, since it's a borrowed sound from Greek that most speakers would not have been able to pronounce.
@@Glossologia Thank you so much for the insight! This has helped me alot!
Multas gratias, magister Luci, pro hoc magna opera et pro labore. (Quaeso errata in textu ignoscas, - soy principiante). Gracias, maestro Lucius, por esta gran obra de divulgación del latín, compré tu curso y además este libro, por recomendación tuya y estoy muy contento. Estos vídeos son el complemento perfecto para aprender a pronunciar ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐
"Pro hoc magna opera" debet esse "pro his magnis operibus".
The mother of a friend of mine is a high school Latin teacher and I have always been jealous she got the book as a free sample! I need to buy it eventually.
Awesome!!!!! I love this!!!!! Thank you!!! 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾❤️
Thanks for listening!
Thank You for this one, I’m glad to see this again, it’s always satisfying to hear it heh!
Thank you for putting this work in! These videos are quite a boon to have and learn from. Love your other content too. Ave tibi! Tu es magister maximus!
I went through the first eight chapters a while back but admittedly became frustrated when, after having more or less breezed through chapters I-VII, I hit the wall that is Cap. VIII. But I'm eager to try again thanks to a Percy Jackson-induced interest in mythology, and the new recordings are absolutely fantastic. Greatly looking forward to hearing more of them!
Great! Yes, ch.8, 16, and a few others present some challenges. It’s a great idea to reread the preceding chapters as they reinforce what you know and prepare you for the new material. Keep it up!
Gratias tibi ago.
Sto studiando il latino all’università da quest’anno. La tua canale mi ha dato grande aiuto.
Grātiās et tibi! Ne sono felice
Mate… I just found this GOLDMINE of a series. Familia Romana is sitting on my shelf, freshly purchased. Now I have your IMPECCABLE voice to emulate. Wow. I am SO grateful for this and I’m in disbelief that it’s free. We really are in the information age. Just, wow. I can’t wait to begin learning, and I vow to update you personally on my progress!!! - Oliver from Sydney Australia
Thanks for the nice comment, Oliver! You’re very welcome. I’m really glad if these are of use.
Nice! I will use this as a new impulse to refresh the earlier chapters and push again further as I was partially halted by school.
Incredible learning material, thank you very much!
It is very useful for those who study latin. Good job!
Thank you very much for this.
As a german history student who never had the chance (or now time) to really learn latin, its so great. And as I learnd in germanistic about the language history of german, I'm amazed that some sentence structure here is almost like german. (Rhenus est in Germania = (der) Rhein ist in Germanien)
It really works so great.
Vielen Dank!
@@ScorpioMartianus I knew it! German spy!
I love this so much
What a beautifull work!!! Thank you so much!
Grātiās!
Great job! You just made the ultimate audio version for this first lesson! Unsurpassable! Are you planning on completing the whole book?
Thanks. Yes.
I would have preferred a redo in ecclesiastical Latin. However, you can't please everyone and it's undeniable that her voice is a great and pleasant addition to your videos. Definitely a good work. Thanks for your efforts.
Learning Latin has been on my to-do list for a while now (after obsessively listening to "Et Nīl Est"), and I think the start of this new version is the perfect excuse to finally start learning. I just ordered my copy of LLPSI Familia Romana, and it should be arriving tomorrow. I look forward to seeing you on the other side, Scorpio.
Coming back to this, I’ve realized the utility of just listening to what is being said-eyes closed-picturing what’s going on. It’s harder than I thought it’d be. Must mean good practice
Great work!
That chuckle at 1:15 lmao 😂😂😂
We’re glad you like that haha
Fantástico! Pude entender TODO el video. La única palabra que no conocía fue "oppidum", Wikipedia me dice que es una "ciudad amurallada".
Gracias. Exacto, es una ciudad más pequeña de una urbs
Same here. I understood every word, but 'oppidum'. (Of course, I also speak Spanish)
Yo también
Yo también, gracias por la definición. Voy a tener que comprar el libro 😅
❤ Fantastic work Luke❤
Thanks for this new version, it's fantastic! :)
Oh wow this is amazing! I was just going to go back and start this series again. Love the new version!
Thanks!
"Magnum est imperium Rōmānum"
"SĪC!"
Very enjoyable to listen to.
THIS IS THE BEST!!!
A much needed update thank you!
Really appreciate the work you put into this. When reading i am not always certain of the right pronunciation. Can't wait for following chapters.
Thanks!
I've never learned latin, but with the little french and spanish I do know I was able to follow along for the most part.
I feel so damn lucky to come across both of your channels recently.
The feminine voice is amazing and a wonderful addition; I believe increasing the input volume by 10-15% when she records would draw a more equalized sound parity, or mastering it a tool/equalizer. What’s awesome for learners is that the current reading speed helps MASSIVELY with understanding the stops/pacing, pronunciation, and tempo of speaking. 1.25x in the player brings the speed up a moderate and adaptable amount that still sounds natural to me after hearing it for a bit.
This is solid brain food.
I actually did equalize it, apparently not enough. Next time
Thank You so much !
I plan on using this along with the actual Books !
Optimum est!! Multas gratias vobis :)
Grātiās, cāre Dāvīd!
Per vicēs agimus grātiās!
LETS GO I WAS JUST ABOUT TO SIT DOWN AND READ THIS BOOK
Chef d’œuvre !!!
Muy buen vídeo me habéis dado buena nota
Incredibly well done! Truly awesome! :-)
Grātiās, Raffi!
That’s a pro narration
Grātiās
Its nice to have a girl! Now the dialogues will be awesome!
I agree! I find Irene’s voice to be extremely beautiful (I am of course biased, but I really love it). And more than that, her command of the most important aspects of Latin phonology, like phonemic vowel length, make her such a wonderful example to emulate; plus she is a native Italian speaker, thus she provides a naturalness that I can only dream of imitating. Thanks for listening.
@@ScorpioMartianus I agree. I don’t think you are biased though. It will be a perfect duo!
Thank you
Yes! Great stuff!!
Μια χαρά! Ήταν ωραίο να ακούσω πραγματικά λατινικά και να τα διαβάσω ταυτόχρονα.
Thank you for your work. It is beyond helpful, it is fantastic. 😊
Very kind
as a native korean speaker, latin is definitely not easy to learn :(
anyways your video helped a lot tysm
I can't wait til you get to the chapter where they all "pulsant" each other.
Coming soon
Oh cool, a new version, just about at the same time I'm finally beginning to learn Latin! A second, female voice is a great addition, and the more "correct" classical pronunciation (I'm thinking of the vowel qualities in particular) is nice and less confusing to hear ;)
If I may give some suggestions/advices, since I'm a bit familiar with working with sounds: it would be a good thing to do some more mixing/mastering. For instance, Irene's voice should be louder, as the difference in volume between her voice and yours I find a bit too distracting. I also thought her P's were a bit more thumpy than yours (at 4:24), but IDK if it's because of the way she articulates of it's a technical problem (no pop filter or compression/EQ).
Also, for potential future recordings, I noticed in the 16th capitulum (Tempestās) your voice was really overpowered at times by the sound effects. To a certain extent it was a good thing as getting overpowered by the storm was quite à propos, but it shouldn't be to the point that you become unintelligible.
Aside from audio engineering, another thing that I thought while listening to your readings, is that at times you spoke a little too slowly. I understand why you did it, but I think a little faster would still be beginner-friendly as well as more natural and less time-consuming to listen to (I tried setting the playback speed to 1.5 but it didn't sound good at all). Actually I thought the reading speed was pretty good in this video, so keep it up!
Sorry for giving unprompted suggestions, and of course not everybody would agree with them or even notice some of the things I said, but I figured why not give you my opinion anyway!
Thanks for the suggestions! Yes, Irene and I were aware of the contrast while we recorded this. We used the same microphone in fact, and usually she was a bit closer. We believe the difference is just the years of experience I have in projecting my voice into the microphone, whereas Irene has done only a little recording hitherto. Nevertheless I find her voice to be exceedingly beautiful, and her pronunciation is immaculate, thus I hope it will serve well those listening.
We expect to resolve these matters in future recordings. Thanks for the feedback.
@@ScorpioMartianus A lovely voice and pronunciation she has indeed :) And as an added bonus the female characters will have a slightly more feminine voice than they used to lol
Ah yes experience certainly is a major factor, but you said you were recording on the same mic: both voices recorded at the same time? If so, while convenient in terms of recording, it's a suboptimal way to go about it in terms of audio processing. For instance, male and female voices are usually not EQd and compressed the same way. And then there's the loudness/closeness problem: most mic types sound best at a certain distance and angle from the speaker, and the various speakers/singers can need different amounts of input gain for instance.
Anyway, I'm sure you will find a way to make it work, and I look forward to hearing you next pieces!
@@Kurisuto321 Perhaps if we recorded in separate tracks in Garage Band. Do you think the Male/Female presets would be sufficient? What settings would you recommend we try? And yes, same mic recorded at the same time (Rode Podcaster)
@@ScorpioMartianus Yup separate tracks is the way to go. Before recording each speaker separately, you have to set the input gain right; you might know how to do it, but basically: the higher *without peaking* the better. For instance, you might want to set the gain rather high, try speaking as loud as the loudest line of dialogue might require you to speak, lower the gain until you can't see any sign of peaking in Garageband, then lower it a little more to get some headroom.
As for the settings, they can vary wildly depending on a lot of factors, but I think for this kind of use (non-musical) presets are usually just fine. If possible, you should choose them from the same preset subcategory (e.g. for spoken voice etc) so that the two processed tracks don't sound too different, which can happen e.g. if one of the presets you use has way more compression than the other. Listen to the tracks separately (to see if there's no audio glitches or clipping, or if it has too unnatural of a sound), then adjust their respective levels so that they sound good together.
Finally, it's usually a good thing to apply some processing to the master track, to further homogenize things, using for instance some light compression (light, because at this point you're supposed to already have a layer of compression on both tracks separately).
It's very easy to mess a recording by using too many/much effects. The final result should sound natural and relatively close to the original audio files.
Hope it helps!
@@ScorpioMartianus such a great channel always trying in earnest to improve
Super excited to listen to this new version, since I remember seeing your comment that there were a couple pronunciations in the old versions you would've liked to change.
thank you for making this, really
Génial ! Merci ! :)
Fantastic version! Thank you so much - you prove that old dogs (such as myself) CAN indeed learn new tricks! Just one tiny thing to consider for future chapters/recordings (but maybe it's only that way in my headphones): It sounds as if your voice is a bit louder than Irene's, making it harder to find a happy medium level, where both are understood equally well. But I'm really nitpicking here - thank you again!
I'd love to listen and read a hybrid audio book of this with text to accompany it
Incrivel que eu esteja conseguindo entender 70% de uma lingua falada a 2000 anos atrás sem ter-la estudado
This is much better than your original version
Oh I agree. Thanks for listening.
Salve, magister! Vox tua valde ciceroniana est!
Gratias tibi ago!
As I understand it, if a word boundary is made up of two adjacent vowels (final M included, of course), one of them can be elided. But I've never been able to figure out which of them is - for example, I can hear here "Rōm'est in Italiā", but "Tiberis fluvius in Italiā'st" (I think I might be able to hear a faint /e/, but that could just be my mind getting used to the elisions and inserting the vowel in there) and "Sparta quoque oppidum'st". There's also "Tūscul'oppidum parvum'st" (excuse my cumbersome notation) which has both types.
The poetry, meter & recitation videos on polýMATHY seem to suggest that the first vowel should be elided (unless there's a hiatus), though it may just be a poetry thing.
So which is "right"? Or does it just not matter, since syllable quantity stays the same either way?
P.S. I've never read this chapter as a dialogue (like the corresponding Colloquium), though looking at it now it really does seem obvious.
P.P.S. I'm seriously impressed by your (both) performance in this chapter, and I hope that I will learn slowly enough so that at some point these "NEW VERSION" recordings overtake my progress. No pressure, of course. Never pressure.
We hope to meet your wishes in the new recordings! As for elision, our recordings represent a much better picture of this. Completely removing one side or the other of the word boundary is a technique, but in practice the vowels blend together into one syllable, and a part of each is usually heard. This is a spectrum, called synaloephe. Complete elision (removal of the first vowel of the synaloephe) is slightly more possible than prodelision (removal of second vowel), and should be considered end members of this spectrum. Aim for the middle, as you hear in these recordings, and you’ll have the effect naturally uttered in Italian, Spanish, and ancient Latin.
Hey!
great to see you revisiting this series. Might I ask why, though? Did the original series have mistakes or was based on an old version of the book? If so, I'll just use this series for catching up with Latin.
PS. The shortURL for Fabula Anatīna in the description doesn't seem to work for me. Would love to see your work :D
I’ll fix that URL immediately, thanks. My pronunciation has improved, and Irene, whom you hear in the recording, has helped me a lot in improving it. The older pronunciation was acceptable but not my correct best effort.
I've ever wondered how ancient Romans marked emphasis, when the prosody of the long syllables makes the speech emphatic itself.
Love your work Luke!
Thanks!
Pelpulchre legistis! Non solum elocutio vostra impeccabilis est et voces mites, sed etiam qualitas sonoris laudanda est!