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You should do one speaking Latin in Mexico or in Spain. 😎 Cuz that would be nice. 😎 Also I love your Channel. 😎
Hmm, isn't it more correct just "Americanus sum"?
Do u soeak italian?greek ?
@@RIUWithDrAndy106 Lol 😂😂😂😂
I know. A witch!
You’re having too much fun with these and have brought out my inner nerd!
In Rome there's a place called Accademia Vivarium Novum where you can only speak Latin or ancient Greek. Maybe if you go there, you'll find someone to talk to
That would be awesome! 🙂
Next video: American speaks Latin at the Accademia Vivarium Novum
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He’s aware of the academy, he’s recommended music from them before.
BASED
Next Time: American yells Old Norse at people as he pillages their homes
😒 yeah, because all Skandinavians allways went on Viking and the Romans didn't inavade half of the then known world...
@@leone.6190 it was a joke
@@edouardlorge4059 yeah, I see. But there are people who watch the vikings TV Show and think it is historical, so... 🤷♂️
@@leone.6190 And theres people who like you don't get jokes and ruin it for everyone.
@@kgkomrin oke. Sorry
Next time on Polymathy: American Interviews the Pope in Latin
Let him know I’m available
The pope who issues many, if not most of his documents in Italian and Spanish.
@@andang7005 have you even seen the video? All official documents are in Latin and then later are translated into whatever other language
Pope Benedict would be the right person. He is fluent in Latin.
@@polyMATHY_Luke Americae eunt domus.
It's so cool to see an American and a Nigerian communicate in Latin. Two people born on opposite sides of the world meeting in the middle and having a conversation in an ancient language. That's nuts to me.
My latin professor many years ago had a conversation with a professor from uk in Latin on a train, she did not know English and that was their only common know language.
Yes, it is cool! However your geography needs some polishing: Nigeria and USA are not on opposite sides of the world, you can see them both at the same time on a globe, and Italy is not the middle of them or even really between them :)
Nigeria and America have Italy in the middle? Cmon now, look at the world map sometimes
Just a pity he's trying to make out as though studying The Bible in Latin is somehow 'going to the source'!
Staying faithful to his doctrine though I guess!
@@DanDownunda8888 That's what I was saying...
the madman did it
😃
"absolute madlad totally wipes out catholic priests on their home turf"
@@polyMATHY_Luke If you are still in Rome, try to visit a Latin Mass and gives us your insights.
@@G1CAAAAEO He won't be able to find one. Not at St Peter's anyway.
oh its the guy who tried to write bruh on sebastian's road trip. well, you have good taste in youtubers.
"An American, a Mexican, a Nigerian, and an Hungarian walk into the Vatican's taberna..."
after escaping from an asylum.
In taverna quando sumus non curamus cui sit humus,
Quid agatur in taverna ubi nummus est pincerna
@@PROVOCATEURSK this only ends in excommunication or a Divinely ordained task.
@@PROVOCATEURSK lol
@@mariohazagonzalez4027 Would it be Mecsicanus, or are we considering the X to be standard Latin Latin now
*Forget all those “foreigner surprises native speakers with perfect language ability” videos, this has to be the ultimate language flex* 😂
Foreigner pwns the Catholic Church by speaking slowly in Latin.
This isn't the ultimate language flex. Classical Latin is just a pre-split form of present day Latin e.g. Spanish, Italian, French, Romanian, Portuguese, etc. It's much easier to learn Latin than it is to learn languages completely unrelated to English, like Japanese or Arabic, for example. It's cool to learn Latin if that's in your interests, but it's no more impressive or useful than learning Spanish.
@@JerryLikeTheMouse
> it's no more impressive or useful than learning Spanish.
I'm sure there's way more people out there who speak Spanish in comparison to Latin speakers, even on the Internet; so the difference in usefulness is quite big. Tho I would say it is a bit more impressive since there are way less resources to learn Latin than any of the modern languages derived from it.
@@JerryLikeTheMouse ¿Perdón? ¿Cómo que el español es tan útil como el latín? ¡Retire ese insulto inmediatamente! ¡El latín es claramente más útil!
Translation: Pardon? What do you mean Spanish is as useful as Latin? Retract that insult immediately! Latin is clearly more useful!
the guy who did those in retrospect videos passed away :(
“Latin’s a dead language,
As as dead can be.
First it killed the Romans,
And now it’s killing me.” 😂
Actually, my Dad was a Latin and Classical scholar, and I think you two could have talked about everything from philosophy to basketball in Latin. Thanks for the videos!!!
@@jzsbff4801 Hey bud, the party pooper convention is down the road.
I think the literal translation for basketball would be balacesta 😂
when I learned latin in school we never spoke it because our teacher said it was a dead and non spoken language. that sucked. only writing.
@@odaviing3871 I've been doing Skyrim modding all day and I hop off to watch some youtube and who do I see in the comments???
Odaviing -_-
@@nutzeeer Well that's because it is. The Vatican is probably the only place in the world where latin is sometimes spoken and as explained in this video, even in the vatican thats rarely the case.
I've never heard Latin truly spoken before; it's quite beautiful.
they do it in the Netflix show Barbarians
U should restore Constantinople 😢😢
Sounds mostly like italian
@@ligmabouls wow i wonder if italian is a language descended from latin that is spoken in the region that latin originated in
@@sturridh No shit sherlock..
true story: I am a Syriac Orthodox priest. I had the happiness to meet another Orthodox priest friend Russia, whose English was very limited. I am conversant in a few other modern languages, but only know a handful of Russian phrases. He spoke no other modern languages in common with mine. We laughed at that, and then he said "Latina?" And then we had about 10 minutes of good conversation.
May God preserve and prosper Classical Education, its Instructors, and its Students.
Gratias Ago, Magister Luca. Ad multos annos!
A un amigo de mi tío (ambos son sacerdotes) le pasó lo mismo. Es argentino y viajó a Alemania. Sabía muy bien muchos idiomas pero no alemán. Y, cuando llegó, nadie hablaba español, pero había un sacerdote que sabía latín, así que toda su estadía se comunicaron en latín.
That's very interesting.
If you don't mind me asking, how does it come to be that two Eastern Orthodox priests learn latin? Is it also a part of your seminary curriculum?
I would've thought Orthodox priests would learn Greek more than Latin. Do you learn that too, Father?
@@petraevc5091 que interesante! Asi era en europa anteriormente porque todo el mundo que iba a la escuela aprendia latin, asi que podian comunicarse facilmente con gente del otro lado del continente o mismo de asia o Africa
Prince Arthur and Catherine of Aragon had the same problem..and solution. I also hope Latin stays alive.
Italian who studied Latin at school here - I'm impressed by your pronunciation, you don't have the american sounding vowels at all, in fact you completely NAIL the pronunciation taught in school in Italy. Congrats!
And what about the mexican father??
because some people might think that just because we are Spanish speakers, it's easy for us to learn and pronounce Latin.
And it happened to me with an American girl who literally told me "you are latina, you must understand Latin" and I was like... girl it doesn't work like that
@@alejandraflores731 what
You haven't heard a pronunciation of russian medical students. (You should know, they learn anatomical terms and write recipes in Latin)
I'm sure, you'd laugh, especially because of their pronouncing of the letter "h".
@@alejandraflores731 Yes, that would equal to claiming that because English is a Germanic language, English speakers would be able to speak German 🙂
@@alejandraflores731 You mean mexican priest, right?
I'm Italian. I studied Latin for five years during high school, and I found it useful to deeply understand Italian grammar. I met just one person who, at a young age, was so fond with Latin to be able to talk it. Now he is a Philology and Critics of Ancient and Modern Literature Professor at the Normale of Pisa, one of the most prestigious university in Italy. Lingua Latina, lingua nostra! Same in Italian and in Latin, the meaning is: Latin language (is) our language!
You are so lucky i feel Italian is the closest romance language to Latin, meanswhile in spanish we have some arabian words and not direct latin words
@@FelipeReyesAlvarez What I find really fascinating are some cases like these: in Italian "war" is "guerra", in Latin "bellum", but we use "bellico" to say "related to war"; man is uomo, in latin vir, but we use virile to say "tipical of men". And "un uomo virile" means "a manly man"!
Latin is based on Greek
@@RadRat1978 Its origin it is probably Germanic, descending towards Lazio it assimilated Etruscan, Oscan, Umbrian and Greek words, but it does not derive from Greek.
@@selloselloso9292 I started using duolingo to learn Russian two years ago, put it down for a while, and now have started the latin course out of interest. I'm a native English speaker, know a little Spanish from living in CA my whole life (just loose words mostly) and it's amazing to see how deeply ingrained Latin and Greek terminology is ingrained in each of these languages, with so many shared terms. My girlfriend thinks I'm crazy for learning a dead language, but it really does show this continuity of culture that's extended thousands of years and across the globe, has enriched my understanding of the world around me.
That this guy can switch to Ecclesiastical pronunciation is astounding in itself. He should go to Latin parishes and speak with those priests.
Tu linguam Latinam etiam loqueris?
@@oraetlabora1922 Romanes eunt domus
@@misantrope6267 Romani, ite domum.*
Isn't that the easy part? I don't understand latin, but I can pronounce it in three different ways (the two presented here and the German way as well). Depending on where I sing different choirs prefer different pronunciations.
@@gehirndoper The fact that you don’t understand it probably makes this easier. Imagine learning a foreign language, then learning several distinct ways of speaking in it and having to manage and separate them perfectly in fluid conversation. Actors on big budget films struggle with accents in their native language and they have months to learn them.
I'm Italian, raised in Italy and Latin is part of our curriculum in school. I absolutely hated it. Your videos are making me appreciate it a lot more!
Why do you hate your own culture?
@@BrazilianImperialist Math is part of the umanity science culture but a lot of students hate it.
@@BrazilianImperialist i live in italy and like 80% of people who study latin in highschool hate it
@@BrazilianImperialist we don't hate It.
It's just that It's a subject where many owr of professors give a lot of importance to.
It would be fine if could study It for like 2 years (like some schools do).
But to have to study it for 5 years of highschool like you are going to write a letter to Julius Cesar tomorrow it's a bit too much 😅
It's fun as a language, but usually the teacher make you hate It 😅
@@BrazilianImperialist we don't dislike the language, we just hate the school subject
"My name is Lucius"
Father: "Why is there boss music"
**911 intro**
Hello, I am Stage 2 of the boss fight reporting in
@God is a stupid idiot f*cking assh*ole bit*ch okay? What was the point of this comment anyways?
Lol
I'm a Traditional Catholic layman that regularly goes to Latin mass of the ancient order. I'm happy to find your channel! Your pronunciation is superb! Speaking slowly also allowed me to understand you clearly. I didn't officially learn Latin, I just picked it up during masses and prayers, as in Latin masses, and praying in Latin. Someday, I hope to be fluent like you.
Awesome 👍
@@gusmoney7828 Te gratias!
Why is this Pope trying to persecute Traditional Catholics?
@@BigJFindAWay Because he is not what people think he is...
@@BigJFindAWay He isn’t.
Funfact: since the official languages of the Vatican City are Latin and Italian, the official Vatican website is also available in Latin
Also all of the ATMs in Vatican city have a Latin language option.
I thought it was Latin, Italian and French?
@@stefanhensel8611 Why French?
@@CriticoPasseggero a lot of history
@@CriticoPasseggero French kings were sacred in vatican for a while.
This, people, we have just seen now was a faint attempt to create a channel called: Easy Latin. Let's study guys, for one day we can be interviewed by this honorable gentleman.
GOLD
Learn G̶e̶r̶m̶a̶n̶ Latin from the streets of B̶e̶r̶l̶i̶n̶ the Vatican.
@@michaelzedd6492 😂😂👍🏻
Dude! I love the Easy Languages channel! It really helped me improve on my Spanish.
Polymathy, if you can, you gotta do the Latin version lol.
Bem falado cumpade
It really is quite fascinating to listen to you speak Latin so fluently; it is an amazing-sounding language. Thank you so much for your insight and experiences that you share with us!
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@@polyMATHY_Luke when i was 12 and moved on to what you americans call high school i found much to my dismay that my new school had discontinued latin the year prior ......... i kid you not i wept, i am much older now so i dont have the complete total recall i once did but thanks to youtube and people like you i will not give up on my dream!!! thank you!! this vid was so beautiful to behold :) ( from the caribbean btw )
@@sidekick4 Yikes dude, insecure much?
@@sidekick4 So much negativity in the world already, yet you have to add your share. How about you just piss off? Cheers!
yes
As a Catholic, I appreciate your taking the time to visit the Vatican for their take. Still traditional as ever! 🌟 Thank you! 💖🕊🙏
An American man : *speaks fluently a dead language with no accent whatsoever*.
Me, an Italian who studied Latin for five frickin' years in high school: Rosa, rosae, rosae, rosam, rosa, rosa.
🙈🤦
Are those inflexion according to 1st/2nd/3rd person singular and plural?
@@johndododoe1411 no, it's the first declension: nominative, genitive, dative, accusative, vocative and ablative of the same feminine word Meaning roughly: the rose (as a subject), of the rose, to the rose, the rose (as an object), oh the rose and the last one has many different meanings). Yes, I hated Latin, can you tell?
@@emmylou-ks1md Interesting, I guessed from there being exactly 6 cases, which happens to fit the person / count cases in many languages south of Britain.
@@johndododoe1411 nope. Latin has that, of course. Singular, plural, some nouns are feminine, some are masculine, some are neutral, then you have five declensions, which have 6 forms each... so... yeah it's a lot to remember. Many languages still have declensions: Greek, Russian, German...
@@emmylou-ks1md Rosae, rosarum, rosis, rosas, rosis, rosae (Vocativ last). This is plural. Vocative is nearly always identical to nominative so often not even mentioned. - In Russian the Latin ablative has split into two cases, instrumental and prepositional case, so they have real six cases. German lost the ablative and has only four.
I’m in honors Latin in high school right now and let me tell you, these videos are PERFECT for studying, especially because we’re going to be reading authentic Roman letters and stories from real poets of antiquity :D thank you again!
Glad you like them!
I had a wonderful Latin teacher on last period on Fridays. One time she translated what would have been considered a dirty story to the ancient Romans ( it involved cannibalism, not what would be considered a 'dirty' story to the modern world)
That sounds really cool, I'm jealous!! We didnt even have Latin classes nor honors language classes lol. Just good ol spanish.
Bruh my school only has English and French😨
@@chromberries7329 Kind of as Spanish is a direct descent of Latin. Hopefully you did well in Spanish.
Your pronunciation is impeccable! I'm a seminarian finishing my 6th year at the Pontifical University of St. Thomas Aquinas in Rome, and of course Latin is obligatory for our studies.
But there are 2 ways to pronounce :)
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@@Armenius_Catholicus Hetakrkir eh. Du hay katoghik es metsatrel kam convert es arel? Yes hay arakelakan em. Es gal augustos ertumem chemaran. Uzum em kahana elnem.
Actually, I think the "c" is pronounced "k", not "ch" the way he pronounces it.
Almost 5 million people want to hear you speak Latin. Incredible!!!! Well done 👍
I took 2 years of Latin in college and loved it. Shortly after graduating I went with friends to Rome, and was able to read the inscriptions on the Colosseum. Sadly, most of my latin skills have faded over time. So nice to see you speaking it!
I took Latin for 6 years and used to be fluent. I am also no longer fluent. It's a dead language for a reason. It's incredibly hard, yet also basic. A lot of modern concepts don't have words for them in Latin - like computer.
I studied it for 5 years in school and it did not stick at all :(
That's despite me growing up native in language from the latin family and easily learning 3 other languages at a conversational level from TV.
It just goes to show how hard it is to casually learn a dead language. Mind you, this was pre-internet, there are so many resources now.
@@monkeysk8er33 computadora
thats nice!
same for me its epic to understand old things written :D
bruh I did 3 years at school but teachers made me hate this language lol
What's odd is I speak 3 Latin languages, Spanish, Portuguese and Italian and followed along quite easily on having to read subtitles on 3 or 4 occasions. It is absolutely amazing to me how much of the original language is actually still present in modern day languages. Awesome stuff man.
True
SHIIITTTT. English, Spanish, Portuguese and Italian.
Whenever you hear one of the romance languages do you accidentally jumble it or mix it with another one? like Portuguese and Spanish for example as they are spoken quite similarly.
do you plan to learn Latin? Or French/Romanian? Do you have trouble retaining your fluency or is it all stuck with you.
@@anoon- I use them regularly so they stick with me. Some days they get jumbled but rarely. It’s almost as if when I haven’t slept well and I have used that language less it can happen but after 30 seconds or so of speaking it then it just flows. As for another language I am thinking of French. The issue is I would not have many people to practice with, it makes a difference.
I know an ok amount of spanish and it really surprised me how similar the grammar is in Latin. And of course a lot of the words are recognizable since they're so similar to a lot of spanish and english counterparts.
@@MintyLime703 What is so suprising to all of you? Castilian ("Spanish"), Portuguese, French and a lot of other romanesque languages and dialects were born out of colloquial Latin
polýMATHY, I am a Catholic priest who happily celebrates the traditional Latin Mass. I very much enjoy improving my Latin by watching your quality videos, especially those on ecclesiastical Latin. Yes, Latin is still the official language of the Latin Rite of the Catholic Church. For example, the Code of Canon Law (a corpus of work which regulates the inner workings of the Church) was written in Latin and then translated into the vernacular. If there is any doubt or disagreement about some understanding of the law, the Latin text prevails, not the translation. Also, please Google the document "Veterum Sapientia" written by Pope John XXIII in 1962 (yes, it's available in English). It's all about the promotion, study, and enduring importance of Latin in the modern Church.
Are you FSSPX or which Institute?😊
@@michaelrutz8056 Sorry, but neither. Diocesan.
@@FatherJMarcelPortelli Which one? I think about becoming a priest, too, but especially with Traditionis Custodes, I think Dioceses aren't too prone towards the TLM? Especially since I come from Germany and don't live in those regions where there are TLMs...
@@michaelrutz8056 Many/most dioceses in the United States (such as mine, the Diocese of Madison, Wisconsin) have continued to allow existing regular celebrations of the Traditional Latin Mass. Our previous Bishop celebrated it himself and was very supportive. We have a new bishop who is also very wonderful but does not celebrate the Traditional Latin Mass and has nothing either especially for or against it. While MANY of the seminarians of our diocese learned both forms of the Mass in past years, it's not clear that will continue after Traditionis Custodes. One friend of mine in his twenties recently joined a community of consecrated life called the Institute of Christ the King Sovereign Priest that only celebrates the Traditional Latin Mass, and is going to seminary to become a priest for them. Their seminary is in Italy. It's good to know there are German Catholics who are more interested in the TLM than the Synodal Way! Germany needs you! My own favorite is the Novus Ordo Missae in Latin. My parish has that one time per week, on Monday nights. Vatican II says the faithful should know how to say or sing together in Latin the parts of the Mass that pertain to them, so I consider it important as a Catholic lay person to be able to participate fully in the Mass in Latin. Happy feast day today of Pope St Gregory the Great, who reformed the Latin liturgy and collected the ecclesiastical chants we call Gregorian Chant! That's definitely a rich part of our Latin Catholic heritage, the Second Vatican Council calls it "a treasure of inestimable value." It's more fully implemented in the Traditional Latin Mass and sadly with the rarest exceptions you only hear bits and pieces of it in the Novus Ordo Missae.
Greetings Father! Your work is so appreciated. God bless and preserve you and the traditional Latin mass. It has fed my faith since I discovered it a few years ago! Thank you!
Latin is actually the universal language of naming species, plants in particular are usually referred to in the Latin names. This can cause difficulty with many people on horticultural courses. I remember this Italian girl I Knew who came from an ancient part of Italy and knew Latin very well. She attended a horticulture course in London. Many on the course we're young Cockneys (working class Londoners). She said she used to be in stitches at them trying to pronounce the Latin botanical names!
Kew gardens have staff who can learn Latin so to understand botany more
I knew a Hungarian woman, the mom of a good friend who came to Canada in 1956. She told me that when she arrived she didn't speak any English at all. When she needed to see a doctor, she found an older gentleman from India. They couldn't communicate at first, so her friend came into the treatment room to translate. But then they realized they both spoke Latin, which had been required study in University for both of them, her in the Sciences in Budapest, him in Medicine in India (not sure what city in his case.) So her friend didn't need to come in anymore.
It will probably be Kerala in India, here Latin and Syriac/Aramaic is taught to most Christian students. We have a strong Catholic community and Orthodox Community here in Kerala, one community is called Latin Catholics and they form 4-5% of our population in Kerala, their liturgical language is Latin and its taught compulsory to their priests.
While the Orthodox community and some other community use Aramaic and Syriac, Jesus language and they learn it including the script.
This is a really cool story
@@mahadevkidas3522
That’s actually really cool, I am curious what do you know or what does India think about the burning down of churches in northeastern India in those states. I genuinely hope it’s not touchy subject but I’m curious if you would know a little about this or the state of the country in general on Hindu-Christian relations.
I am aware that in India secularism is really appeasement to Islam more so in reality than word play.
@@mahadevkidas3522Latin is also used heavily in medicine, especially anatomy.
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Lmao I literally just watched his video in Rome, and read a comment saying he should go to the Vatican. Literally as in 3 minutes ago. This is amazing lol
he was fast with you. i have waited a week.
@@danieledalmonte7560 unfair treatment
@@エルフェンリート-l3i how
Same here haha
That was me,
My parents wanted me to be a priest - so I studied Latin, and loved it. Then I went to a party and got kissed by a young lady, and decided the priesthood would have to find someone else.
But learning Latin was not a waste of time - I always aced my English tests - Latin really does help with understanding many words in other languages, but it sounds very strange outside of Mass.
I enjoyed this immensely.
LMAO
YOU WERE ALMOST ON THE VERGE OF GREATNESS-
Down bad 😂😂
Bro 💀💀💀
I’ve never actually experienced a service done in Latin. My church is Syrian orthodox so we use Syriac, Malayalam, or English. I’m not religious anymore but I think it would be fascinating to go hear it in Latin
I'm a second year Latin student in an Italian high school and I could translate everithing you said without a problem
What a time to be alive
I really admire your passion for latin. In fact, you're the best latin speaker I saw so far.
Next, Luke seeks out and speaks to Prof. Luigi Miraglia; possibly the most fluent Latinist (in Ecclesiastical Latin) after Luke...
Metatron has some videos in Latin as well and speaks it fluently, or so it would seem.
Well, tbh i never saw a latin speaker so he is the first one xd
@@renaudtheis1197 Yes, but Luke and Raph are already friends... =D
Luke, if you're still in Europe, are you planning on visiting Athens? Perhaps try speaking to Greeks in the street in Ancient Greek?
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That would be super interesting, considering that the deviation between Ancient and Modern Greek isn't as pronounced as the Latin dialects.
In italy I studied Latin and ancient Greek in high school. Once we went to Greece with our classical theater company at Dion theater (a real experience to act there) and we decided to tell a few sentences in ancient Greek during the play. No Greek understood what we had said as we used the classical pronunciation and apparently Greek people read ancient Greek as modern Greek
@@margedtrumper9325 yes, they do do that. But what's even worse is that most of then are adamant that ancient Greek was pronounced the way modern Greek is! 🤦♂️
@@FarfettilLejl it's the same with classical Latin ad Italians
I can’t imagine the disappointment I’d feel if I mastered an incredible language that is only officially used in one part of the world, traveled there and finally commune with other speakers in Latin, and find that they don’t collectively speak it anymore at the Vatican. That’s a real McDonalds broken ice cream machine moment
Yeah, that’s kind of true.
it is one of many dying languages in the world. It is always upsetting when languages die out.
@@devinwhite5064 Isnt it technically dead tho. I guess it being used in official documents on the vatican makes it alive but apart from that it is only used as a matter of study, not as actual means of communication.
@@saphinadarkness2502 i didnt say it was dead, i said it was dying.
@@devinwhite5064 well, I know. I did. I was saying wether it should be considered dead or not
And THIS is why it is so important to keep Latin as the PRIMARY liturgical language of the Church while allowing the vernacular as it makes sense. The vernacular has many pros, but one of the greatest experiences of my life was attending Mass at the Holy Sepulcher in Jerusalem alongside African, Asian, and European Catholics and while none of us could understand each other's mother tongue, when we prayed, it was in a common language.
Amazing vid! Can't wait for one where you sit down with a fluent speaker and have a super fast back and forth conversation XD
do you know if Luke has listened to your latin covers? i think he definitely should make a video covering latin bardcore.
@@pigmanpower1628 indeed! John Linnell's Roman Songs would be another great musical topic to cover
Luke will have to talk with Divus Magister Craft then... there are very few people who speak Latin.
man i love your music, keep it up
I love how you automatically use hand gestures when speaking latin. The italians are truely sons of rome XD
That "book" hand gesture. Awesome.
Well none of the people he spoke to were Italians
He was the sole Italian there... in the video... He may be American, but he is 2nd generation American...
I'm indonesian and currently learning Italian and Latin right now and i also wanna try to use hand gestures when talking. I hope it's not awkward to talking like that, you know different culture. Here we don't use hand gesture. I don't want them to see me as Alien or something😂
He used hand gestures out of sympathy to help the other person understand easier.
Some years ago, I once found myself at a breakfast table in the Vatican, sitting opposite a young priest, smiled and, thinking he was probably Italian. said "Buongiorno". He didn't answer but smiled back. Being the sort of guy who is friendly and eager to talk to people, I asked him in French if he spoke French, then in German the same question but with the same result. I then hit on the idea of trying Latin (which I'd studied at school for 7 years), which I did, using words that were not a routine part of the classical language I'd studied but, bit by bit, we managed an exchange - of sorts. For those who treat Latin as a "dead language", this episode was a vivid illustration that the opposite is true.
I think that the "dead" bit refers to the fact that the language no longer really develops; it is now mainly one that exists in writing, not in oral exchange. And beside that, language is a means of communication. The occasional priest that speaks Latin does not constitute a community, and one can doubt whether that turns the language "alive" again.
Latin being dead is actually the best thing about it. Because it has such a low rate of development the language never really changes and allows for older documents to be interpreted as to the original intent. If in the far future our modern languages change the church documents of today will remain accurate as to their intent if the priesthood continues speaking Latin.
and if anything you used Latin as it was intended by the Church, to be a universal language for a universal church.
@@-Glove- interesting and well said
@@bomcabedal In linguistics, a dead language is one that is used but has no native speakers.
Extinct, in the other hand, means it’s not used at all.
I am a brazilian, and the offical language od Brazil is portuguese, and even that I never studied latin in my life, there are some moments where I was reading and thinking: "Damn, this sounds very similar to portuguese" It's nice how the latin languages are still similar to latin even after so many years
yup! As a Spanish speaker it's eerie to me how close it is to Spanish now
Sim, o único contato com latim que eu tive foi com metodologia do trabalho científico, e mesmo assim consegui compreender mais da metade do que ele falava em latim.
Mas claro, a calma com que ele falou ajudou muito.
Sure buddy you’re not convincing humanity that Brazil ACTUALLY exists
@@Chadius_Thundercockit’s just in a different dimension, there’s a shit ton of dinosaurs here too
Because it is a vulgar Latin language?
Since that you are in Rome, it might be interesting to you to visit the Santissima Trinità dei Pellegrini. That church is staffed by the FSSP priests (Priestly Fraternity of St. Peter) and Mass is celebrated exclusively with the older form in Latin. If I recall correctly, they are trained to be well-versed in Latin. Definitely worth a visit.
Bene, bene! I second this!
I hope he sees this while he still there. That's a golden opportunity.
Maybe live streaming? That'd be great!
I second this.
I go to Mass there. Mass is said exclusively in latin yes. While only the sermons are delivered in Italian so the people can understand. Really cool and knowledgeable people, for instance one of the priests there Don Dimitri has a doctorate in nuclear physics, I'm sure you'd be able to speak a little latin with them. Best advice ever in the confessionals too 😁
Well are they not trying to ban that now sadly
Hehe, sweet. I guess priests wearing the cassock would do even better, as they may celebrate the extraordinary form of the Mass, in latin. And yes, the official language of the Church is still latin, so the docs are published in latin as the reference, and then translated to whatever language is needed. What a sweet ending, both for music and children :)
Why? Reading a text in Latin and knowing its pronunciation is one thing. Conversing and redacting a text in Latin is another business...
@@Xerxes2005 Because a priest celebrating and praying in Latin has a better grasp of Latin than a priest celebrating in another language and this counts in productive skills i.e. speaking and writing
@@Xerxes2005 The priest that celebrates the latin mass will probably use latin every day for mass and other prayers. They won't neccessarily have a perfect grasp but they should have a better understanding especcialy when some of these things need to be done off memory
Pope Francis effectively banned the extraordinary form ("the Latin mass") recently so I doubt you will find many of those.
@@Xerxes2005 correct. For example, the Russian Orthodox Church celebrates its entire liturgy in Church Slavonic - naturally the clergy have large parts memorized. Very few could whip out Slavonic for a normal conversation (though that is theoretically possible, like Latin it is a fully developed language).
A Nigerian speaking Latin? I am feeling overwhelmed at the majesty of such a concoction. Natives to the area don't speak Latin, but outsiders to the area do, outsiders who aren't even from that culture. It reminds me of the joy I see on the faces of Japanese patrons at my company when I can speak a bit of Japanese with them, and how Chinese employees of a Chinese restaurant see their mood elevated when I thank them in Chinese.
Incredible, simply incredible!
Well he is a Reverend Father so there's no surprise. Every Catholic, staunch or not speaks a little bit of Latin as it's required for some prayers. Even children know to bow their heads when they hear "oremus" during mass.
natives? Their native language is not latin, it's italian and/or other languages/dialects of the region. Of course they wouldn't speak latin. For example someone in the UK wouldn't speak old low german or anglo-saxon or celtic simply because they are native to the area. Languages change and evolve and get replaced and forgotten or mix. Just like people and culture
Nigerians are from that same culture, you doltt. They're Christians also 🙄
@@sebo641 sad
Mandarin or Cantonese?
I like that you were able to give clues as to what you were asking them during the interview, making them more comfortable and confident in their Latin speaking as the interview went on. Awesome video.
As a hungarian person it makes me so happy to see a fellow hungarian in this video, and on top of that, he's speaking latin! it's amazing. :)
Úgy van!
@@Petersonstudios Bizonyááám!
Vicces tortenet, hogy a hungaria es a hungaricus nev az egy ragadvany, mivel magor/magyar neveztek magukat, ennek meg az eredete az onogur vagyis a tiz torzs, ami ugye vicces, mert het amit tanitanak, itt meg a kettos honfoglalas elmeletet es a tobbit ne is emlitsuk. Nagy katyvasz. Keves bizonyitek.
@@janosvarga962 De érdekes. :0
0:36 I was about to write something similar, but I was pretty sure that some other fellow Hungaricus/Pannonicus noticed, and here You Go, You did it Kat, Thank You. What was fascinating in the History of Hungary was that as a brutally multi-language country/kingdom, Latin was a language even official till 1844, if I remember correctly. The Croatian and Slovak speaking representatives were totally against this new rule, they wanted to continue to use Latin as an official language, they were reluctant to learn Hungarian. It was a nail in the coffin of the Hungarian Kingdom, when Latin was announced as non-official language any more, all the Nationalities wanted to use their own language. Still, Latin was a primary language in high schools (gymnasiums) even until 1945, or so. I guess Hungary/Croatia was the last bastion of preserving Latin.
I'm proud of my Naija(Nigerian) priest, A lot of Nigerians take studying seriously, so I am not surprised the Nigerian priest was willing to participate in this, because for Nigerians it is a sense of pride to be well studied, even though sometimes we wallow in our ignorance hahaha
he is just a mugu,just a cafe boy,he sells gala by roadside,don't be a fool brother
Yup, even our grandparents and parent's generation seemed to take such studies very seriously.
There is a deep bond with the catholic church in some parts of the country.
@God is a stupid idiot f*cking assh*ole bit*ch bit random
@God is a stupid idiot f*cking assh*ole bit*ch true
@God is a stupid idiot f*cking assh*ole bit*ch You are right, but...
Yes, Latin remains the official language -- the language of liturgy and record -- for the Catholic Church. In fact, religious orders, such as the Jesuits, would conduct ALL of their seminary training in Latin, and, I believe, casual conversation as well. Up until the 1960s, when bishops got together, they would converse in Latin. When Latin was dropped from the curricula, of course, it became hard to continue this. Early in the Pontificate of John-Paul II, a group of American bishops were making their "ad limina" visit to the Pope. At their first group gathering, he started to address the group in Latin. After a few moments, an assistant of his interrupted him, and advised him that the bishops could not understand him. He allegedly exclaimed "These are bishops?!", and then switched to English.
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Looool
But it's a silly custom to speak old languages when there's no need to
Or is it?
If original bible is written in latin then maybe people will understand it better if they know Latin themselves
But the problem is, there's probably no such thing as original bible today cause Islam says bible is corrupted, and it can actually be true cause there are so many versions of bible already
And also, jesus was in jews land so original bible should probably be in Hebrew ? 🤔 So there's probably no need to speak Latin 🤔
@@aaaaaa-hh8cq the original new testament was written in koine greek. This was before Islam. The Quran does not say the book is corrupted but that it is the word of God. The orthodox church still uses the koine greek as an authoritative version. The oldest translation of the old testament that still exists is the septuagint also in koine greek. Between 2200 and 2500 years old. Also still the "official" version in the orthodox Church.
why is it always the Americans who have difficulty speaking a different language?
@@hoppinggnomethe4154 because they never have to
What an interesting video!
I studied Latin in high school, and am now a teacher of the Catholic Faith in a Catholic high school. Even though I don't speak Latin, having learned mostly to read and write in Latin, having the background has been an enormous help to me in my career!
i am italian, and i never wanted to go to classical high school, to learn these languages, but now you transmit passion to me, i live just outside rome, and seeing you speak latin in rome made me die with laughter, seeing my compatriots .. i think that i will learn latin hahaha
Eccellente!
Vai complimenti !!!
Informati prima però dei professori della scuola dove lo vai ad imparare
Spesso e volentieri la passione per queste lingue la danno tantissimo loro, e se trovi quelli pedanti rischia di diventare pesante come materia purtoppo -__-"
Please stop giving me mean comments. My mother reads the comments I get and she cries a lot because of it. Please be nice, dear fed
@@AxxLAfriku bruh you're everywhere 💀
@@polyMATHY_Luke classical Italian school is the gymnasium
I’m Italian and my dad used to tell me that, when he was a kid, every Mass was in Latin. Then I guess there was a year when they changed and opted for an Italian translation and now masses are in Italian only. Still, for very special occasions such as Christmas, and in very big and renowned churches (like my city’s cathedral, the Duomo of Modena) there are still masses entirely in Latin. I studied this beautiful language in high school alongside Ancient Greek. I believe studying Latin and Greek trains your brain and mind in a way no other language does. Keep up the good work I love these videos! ❤️
Yes, there was a movement to have a Mass in the vernacular in the late 60's (perhaps earlier). Paul VI's Missal (1970) was the first to be completely in the vernacular.
The change happened in the 1960s at Vatican II. After Vatican II, Masses throughout the world are now conducted in their local languages, the "vernacular." The idea of a "catholic" religion was that it was the same throughout the entire world; that is the definition of the word "catholic". A Catholic could go anywhere in the world and understand mass in a common language, latin. Today, if you try to go to mass in a country where you don't speak the local language, you're out of luck.
Gracias al Concilio Vaticano II . Y antes las misas las hacía el cura de espalda a los feligreses xD
@@asalvats a la mala interpretación del concilio.
Vatican II's heresy would be the main culprit
Hey, Luke, you should try to meet those scholars that write the Vatican papers, the Encyclicae. Then, I think, the conversation shall be fine. Sds.
Yes!!!
You could be proficient at writing (with the occasional little hand from your dictionary) and still have a hard time listening and speaking, though
As far as I see, mainly only important Declarations or juridicial decrees or by other Congregations are still issued in Latin as many Apostolic Letters and Pope Francis's 2 most recent encyclicals don't have a Latin version available
@@michaelrutz8056 Neither did Traditionis Custodes. There's a saying, "It's not official until it's in Latin." I wonder if that is still considered true?
@@rtyria Perhaps Italian counts for non-Latin decrees? Idk
Those conversations were so precious, it's pretty amazing that you were able to have a conversation with such a broad range of people
I remember there was a relevant episode in "La Tregua", an autobiographic novel by Primo Levi, who was imprisoned in Auschwitz and then liberated at the end of the war. In the novel he talks about his long trip to go back home in Italy, as the Russians who had liberated the prisoners pretty much didn't really know what to do with them. In one occasion he and his travel companions meet a priest with whom they can't speak any language - he doesn't understand Italian, German, Russian or English. They're about to despair, then Levi thinks back to his high school studies, and manages to put together a few words of Latin, and that's how they finally understand each other.
Gran film
"Pater optime, ubi est mensa pauperorum?"
Similarly in Evelyn Waugh's "Sword of Honour" trilogy, where the protagonist, while serving in Yugoslavia, learns that his wife was killed in an air raid on London, and has only Latin as a common language with the priest: "Hic est pro missa. Uxor mea mortua est. Miles anglicus catholicus sum."
@@lucasgrey9794 liberated as in, the Russians arrived and found the camp abandoned with lots of prisoners still inside. And the Germans ran away because the Russians were arriving.
So, yeah, they were liberated. Stop splitting hairs.
@@lucasgrey9794 no one has chosen whether to go or stay. Levi writes in his book that all healthy prisoners were taken away. He and others who were ill at the time of the Germans' departure were left in the concentration camp and later rescued by the Russians. The Nazis would never allow prisoners to choose anything. I suggest you read "se questo è un uomo" by Primo Levi and his others books on this subject
I have just gotten my Latin proficiency certificate at school after 5 years of Latin (Gymnasium, Germany) and I felt so smart when I actually understand the said things in the video. 😌
Ja same
Which book did you use at school?
@@Josh-dm5eq I can answer that for my case. Our books were called Pontes (1-2) in the first years. Later on we learned with copies from original texsts our teacher gave us to translate
Quoque lingua volo loqui sed bardus et non lente sum😞
@@brandbienedell7971 Did you say, that you had latin classes aswell but didn't learn anything? Cause my latin is awful too and I'd be happy if I really understood what you said
I am Hungarian. Also, a roman-enthusiast. That Hungarian dude really nailed Latin with Hungarian accent I must say.
There is no Hungarian accent there.
I’m also hungarian and was able to tell ‘Gregorius’ was hungarian from his accent right away. Great latin skills though
I understand maybe you say latin ecclesiastic in fact Italian pronunciation derivative from ecclesiastic sounds pronunciation
The Hungarian inflection often sticks out. None of my family lost it in English. I loved it tho.
@@gergofulop8590 Me too. I was like: "is he Hungarian?" right at the first sentence.
When I served as an altar boy in the mid 50's, Latin was still a part of the Catholic Mass. The priests would have us come to the rectory for breakfast early each Sunday before the Masses were served and we had to speak Latin only at the table. They wanted us to know that Latin was still a living language that was more that just repetitive prayers and hymns.
I wish i can see that one day again, at least one mass every week must be in latin in every church around the world
@@FelipeReyesAlvarez find an SSPX catholic parish.
As a Catholic, an Italian, and a Latin enthusiast this video is my favorite video on TH-cam! Thanks gain for the great content!
I thought 'von' is a clearly german prefix for last name, used by nobles. Would assume, that it's not your actual name, but still curious.
@@ВалентинТерентьев-п4р prolly larping some historical fash
My grandfather studied at the seminar when he was younger, to become a priest (fortunately for me he gave up 😋). He always told the story of a tourist in our city of Lisbon, Portugal 🇵🇹 who was lost (this was waaaaaay before internet). My grandfather didn't speak his language and he didn't speak portuguese but they both found out they spoke Latin. So there they were, two men is Lisbon speaking a dead language while asking for directions.
This is soooooooo cool, interesting and wholesome
Thanks for sharing his story with us ❤️ :)
I'd imagine it was hard for them though
Imagine giving directions in a modern world in an ancient language
I hope he's still alive and with us, right? If yes I wish him a long happy life
And if he isn't , I wish him peace and blessings and God's forgiveness
@@aaaaaa-hh8cq It'd be very unusual, ahahah. I imagine that if the people around found out that it was Latin, a big crowd would gather and clap in the end. 😂 My grandfather's still with us. He's now 88 years old, but unfortunately isn't able to tell those stories. 😔 But thank you for your reply, it's always great to remember this funny story. 😊🙏
Duuuude I hear that story in tumblr for the other grandparent!! The tourist that talked in Latin in Portugal! I think they were Poland
This is incredible.
The Hungarian priest seemed a little more confident to test his skills, but I really tend to agree with father Roland on the importance of a classical language education, especially in philosophy studies.
Hungary has a history of taking Latin study very seriously. I'm not surprised to see a Hungarian priest represented in this video.
In the religious universities in Hungary during the first two years the students learn latin and greek in order to be able to understand the Bible in a deeper way.
Most of the Catholic gimnasiums in Hungary has latin classes. In my school, we had to choose a more common language (like english, german, italian, french, etc.) as a ‘first foreign language’ but we had to learn Latin for 4 years additionaly. After the first 4 year we had to choose between learning for 4 more years of latin or beginning to learn an another foreign language for 4 years.
It’s a pretty well balanced system I suppose..
I used to study Latin for 4 years in my high school because of my biology orientation. (Latin was part of that faculty.) ;) And I've also graduated in Latin, because it was either hard and fun. ;)
This is very cool! My family and I are Catholic attend the Traditional Latin Mass! The community of the Latin Mass is growing immensely these days and many of the young priests of the orders that say the Latin Mass will sometimes speak it to each other to keep up the practice! It’s a beautiful language, and even when spoken at Mass your heart is carried to an even higher level of worship. Everyone should check it out!
Father Cesar was like "oh were doing this? Ok then"
I love how you speak slowly, make gestures and give the people any possible chance to understand you better!
And it's nice to see them being intriqued by someone who actually speaks latin to them...
Indeed, it helps a lot. There are a few languages I can't speak, but I can understand most of it if it's written (especially if it's related to a language I know well), by reading it slowly, and then filling in the gaps. However, if someone was speaking it, especially if quickly, then I would understand a lot less, if anything at all.
Even with latin, I learned very little of it, but I can get the meaning of many simpler written sentences, being able to decipher about half the words and the rest are clear from context. Therefore speaking slowly and gesturing helps a lot.
I imagine this is how trade was done in ancient times. Merchants learned a little from the local languages of the lands they traveled through, not enough to hold complex conversations, but enough to get the basic idea through, with the help of gestures.
@@praevasc4299 the funny thing about languages is that, the more you stumble through simple sentences, hem and haw at words you don't know yet, and listen to speakers you can't quite understand, the closer you get to true, intuitive understanding. If you spend 10 years making trading journeys back and forth to a place, you *will* learn the language there unless you actively avoid learning opportunities. IMO somebody who is dedicated to absorbing as much information from their surroundings as feasible could learn a foreign language well in a year or so of working somewhere where it's the main language.
People often hamper their own language progress because they're embarrassed at their own skill level. They avoid interactions in their target language because they're worried about being laughed at, or worried that people will get annoyed trying to speak with such a poor speaker. The thing is, you don't laugh at people who are learning your language, right? You probably don't even notice most of the mistakes they make. The key thing is making an effort. More often than not, people will praise you for making the attempt, and maybe they'll even help you correct your mistakes, but that can't happen unless you start talking.
What I used to do in my previous job is to use different accent depending on whom I was talking to.
It's my first time watching two people exchanging in Latin and understand the language well. Latin is such a beautiful language and it's thanks to this language we have the beautiful romance languages.
I was listening to you and reading the subtitles in latin at the same time. I am Mexican and could understand quite a good number of words and expressions. Some of those words expressions we use in Spanish in Mexico now a days. So I was not surprised when the third guy said was from Guadalajara, México.
Please Luke, help our priests speak Latin again, you're our only hope!
I miss it when they used to do the Mass in Latin. There was a certain magic, and majesty to it.
They still do, and there's nothing like it except whence it's done in Greek in the Eastern Catholic Churches. You just need to look. There's large groups that are adamant about it and it's making a HUGE resurgence.
Dominus Vobiscum
@@juanandressuarezgonzalez9874 thanks for that. Here in Florida, I've seen the Mass done in English, Spanish, and Korean, but haven't seen it done in Latin since I left New Jersey decades ago. Perhaps I'll make it back to a real church, and be able to experience the magic that I heard when I was a child. Deus Vult.
@@FedralBI I'm in Florida as well and there's tons. In Tampa there are a few, Jacksonville there are a few and Miami has a bit. Most younger newer priests are very much traditionalists and the Church will see a resurgence in its own tradition ergo Latin and Greek.
For me, justum et necessarium est.
@@juanandressuarezgonzalez9874 Many of the Eastern Catholic Churches have a language other than Greek as their traditional standard form.
@@juanandressuarezgonzalez9874 "ergo Latin and Greek."
Those are not the only languages of traditional Christianity, Bibles, liturgies and lore. Search Ge'ez, Coptic, Syriac, Slavonic, and Gaelic. Western study of Church history began to neglect groups beyond the Roman Empire after the historian Eusebius, which three of those are.
Listening to Father Roland, Luke, I don't know if you've read any documents from the church in Latin, but I've had my hand at it (and had to translate documents for priests a few times, short things about marriages and such), and one thing I've noticed about the Church usage is it feels very much in the style of Saint Jerome's Vulgate. It's always sort of stood out to me after being pounded by Cicero and Catullus and co. in school
Actually many of these documents are readily available at the Vatican's website.
@@arthur_p_dent if they publish those on their website do you know how they treat modern words like "website" or "internet" or "airplane"? Do they make up new words or use traditional words to describe those words?
I remember reading some years ago that a Church committee somewhere decides on “official” Latin words for new needs. And of course, other groups of Latin speakers make up new Latin words unofficially and they get adopted into official Church Latin if there are no objections.
Israel has done similar things to bring Hebrew up to date, although popular usage sometimes makes their words obsolete. For example, the original New Hebrew word for the lamp on a table, usually electric, was “menorah.”
@@rupertnikolson2729 I didn't know, so thanks to Rupert.
FWIW, the word they use for plane appears to be "aeroplanus". At least according to secondary Latin resources. I didn't search Vatican's own website for confimation, though.
@@allanrichardson9081 @Arthur Dent @Thelaretus
Thanks for all your answers! That is so interesting. I had never expected that the Church keeps up with such modern developments especially considering the conservative stances usually taken by them.
P.S. This seems to be one of the few wholesome places left on the web. Keep it up, guys! :)
I'm a native Spanish speaker. I can grab like 45-60% of your sentences. Also, my accent being from Mexico has some kid of homogeneity that allows me to grasp some words, and thus being able to string the meaning of this. Fantastic about it. It's more like between Spanish and Italian; as you see, you interviewed a Mexican priest. He speaks it fluently because has the same phonetic variations along words, more or less. It is some kind related between even in Hebrew and Japanese, as far as I know.
Was interesting to watch, it doesn't surprise me that the priests you spoke to only had faltering Latin, but hats off to them for taking the time and making the effort.
I still reckon there are some clergy and staff who may be more proficient in Latin, though amongst clergy, they may be higher up than the priests you spoke to, and so probably more difficult to be able to speak to, due to their very busy schedule etc (e.g Bishops, Cardinals etc) and given that official documents are still first written in Latin, there are probably staff who are very proficient, though few in number.
What is certain is that there would be far fewer fluent Latin speakers there today compared to up to the 1960's.
You could be proficient at writing (with the occasional little hand from your dictionary) and still have a hard time listening and speaking, though
Pope Benedict XVI is actually known to have an excellent command of spoken Latin, if I recall correctly. His abdication (or how thats called for popes) speech was delivered in Latin, and famously only few people got at first what he was actually saying.
The Vatican actually has a radio channel online that broadcasts all Vatican news 100% in Latin
Greetings. Theological librarian here. It isn't a matter of rank, but of interest and ability. In my years at the Seminary library, I knew a few young men who were really interested in Latin and other languages to the point of going beyond the instruction they were given in their studies. One of them was interested in Patristics, other even studied Hebrew by himself. Most seminarists only study to approve. The only people I knew that asked for the Hebrew Polyglot Bible were the Old Testament teacher and a group of Adventist ministers. Bishops and such have secretaries like those young men who translate and write for them when necessary; in a Spanish speaking country, it's never. As far as I know, the only people who write in Latin is in the Vatican. ✌
@@MariaMartinez-researcher I guess it's the same as with any other people. Some priests enjoy languages more than other priests, who might treat Latin as simply a part of their job. In the catholic school I went to, the priest of course knew Latin, but his fave was Ancient Greek, so he was way better at that language.
I took Latin for 4 years in high school. We did learn to pronounce and speak it. And would interact with hundreds of other schools throughout the country once a year. I loved this video although was kind of saddened that the priests seem more proficient in understanding and reading than speaking. I always thought the Vatican would be THE place but it seems proficient speakers are mostly to be found outside it.
Correct
To be fair, the need to preach or teach in Latin came around the same time that Latin was the academic language of Western Europe. When Latin ceased to be the language of instruction, priests also didn't need to learn how to speak it. The ability to read, and to a limited degree write, Latin is of course still important for purposes of reading old Christian texts, the Summa of St Thomas Aquinas, etc and for those in charge of writing the Holy See's official correspondences and letters. Though perhaps they'd be a bit more used if the Latin Mass is used more often too.
In Italy latin Is read and written, but never thought to be spoken...so these videos are great! It Is extraordinary approaching this fashinating language from a speaker point of view!
We only learn vocabs and how to translate texts
We study latin grammar for literally years !!!
It's an absolute shame that Latin isn't taught or spoken much in the Church anymore. It'd be like Synagogues not using Hebrew.
Yes. A real shame
Disagree. Most people wouldn't understand a thing like in the olden times. Second Vatican Council was a good thing.
It is, in those parts of the Church that remain faithful: in general, the traditional orders and societies. Find a priest wearing proper clerical dress, and you'll find a priest who speaks Latin.
@@hydrocharis1 in synagogues there're Hebrew and the pronunciation of Hebrew in English with translation (like pinyin). Most don't know what the Hebrew actually means. Then again, haven't gone to a service in years
@@hydrocharis1 yeah.
but Latin sounds much cooler
Super interesting to hear a Latin conversation like that. Been studying for 5 months now and understand almost all of what you said. Wouldn't be able to respond very well though; nowadays really it's almost exclusively taught to understand written texts.
I took 3 years of Latin in highschool, it's such a cool language. This video made me very happy
I grew up speaking Latin and then ended up speaking a shitty language called ENGLISH......
@@jesscast5122 uh
@@jesscast5122 Were you a native Latin speaker? I didn't know there are still people whose native language is Latin.
Its Nice to see a Mexican there, I'm also Mexican and I'm proud to see one there speaking latin and in the Vatican, the best thing is that he's from the same city where in live
One of the most prominent and important branches of Roman Catholic church in Latin America is here in Guadalajara and many priests and bishops have gone to study and integrate to church in the Vatican and have been appointed Cardinals, still it was a surprise that out of all the places in the world one of the priests was from here.
Great video and greetings from Guadalajara!
Off topic, but if the church still strong in Guadalajara how could city allow public sex acts?
@@JohnTronto What are you talking about? I'm not aware of that…
@@FreddieHg37 Its popping up o IG recently. When I searched here on YT, the news actually from couple yea ago.
@@JohnTronto Never heard of that but thanks for letting me know?.. I guess…
Guadalajara is a big metropolitan area with about the same population as NYC Metropolitan area, so it's not surprising to me that there are lots of news and information about the things happening here all the time that might go unnoticed by many or that aren't even known by the majority of the people who go about their everyday life since it's not massively reported on in the news or something like that but OK, I really don't care about it, this is a big city as same as many others, so I'm not surprised to hear about crime, accidents, tragic or even crazy stuff like that and neither about it being true or not…
@@jjgf8412 Hola, pues no es como la pintan tal cual, sí hay inseguridad como en cualquier ciudad grande pero no es el principal problema, hay ciudades problemáticas como Ciudad Juárez, Tijuana, Acapulco o en el estado de Michoacán, pero son ciudades que no estan cerca, son bastante lejos y además eso dependerá mucho de la zona por donde estés, como en cualquier ciudad tanto las zonas más ricas como las más marginadas son las que más se exponen a tener en cierta medida asaltos y robos de algún tipo, pero por ejemplo en este exacto momento son las 10:30 de la noche, está vacía la calle, (acaba de haber una tormenta fuerte, por eso está vacío) y voy a una cuadra y media a la tienda caminando y en mi celular y la verdad no temo a que me pase nada, hay tiendas de abarrotes, restaurantes y puestos de comida cerca y no hay nada de qué preocuparse.
thats crazy, I didn't expect to understand this much latin there to be honest! I speak italian (not a native speaker tho) and to me, latin was always this distant, kind of mysterious language. But actually hearing somebody speak it made me realize how similar the two languages actually are (whoch makes sense, since italian literally originates from latin haha)
Great to see my fellow Nigerian catholic interview. I looked up this channel because my young son wanted to hear ancient roman language after learning roman numerals at school and becoming obsessed with it. Great channel.
God bless our brave and dedicated Nigerian Catholics!
I am a Catholic seminarian and I just wanted to say that I very much appreciated this video. I took four semesters of Latin, so I have some reading proficiency--but nothing like this. Thankfully, I know Spanish well and a little Italian, so I might be able to get the gist of what you were saying to me, but I would have a hard time responding beyond the basic words. While I don't think it's super important for me to learn Latin proficiently, it would be such a pleasure to be able to. The Latin professors I have had are some of the most intelligent and wise people I have met and seem to really have an appreciation for life that is contagious. I feel like I have caught some of their wisdom by being in classes with them. Viva Christus!
Viva
Viva 🙏❤
I'm firmly convinced that, if you keep on being constant with this format, you're going to be noticed by some TV program. Either just a "flippant" or historical one, but for sure :)
Sarebbe divertente
Salve! Latinum non loquor. Ego sum mexicana as well. I'm having an optimus time understanding. Amazing what you're doing!!! Congrats!!
Thanks! Grātiās
This is awesome! I’ve been considering the priesthood in a Latin Mass community so this was fun to see!
God bless you on your journey!
I'm 31 and I was raised with the usus antiquior of the Roman Rite (Traditional Latin Mass). I also was lucky to study Latin for 8 years, plus 2 years of ancient Greek. I am loving your channel. Keep up the great work!
So modest of Luke to not judge whether or not it's a good thing that most people no longer speak Latin in the Vatican. Allow me to judge: bad thing.
Well said.
@Hank this isn’t particularly true for example Lutherans have used the vernacular since their excommunication from Rome
A disgraceful consequence of the modernist revolution in the Church. But, trust me, Latin is alive and well in the Church still, and God willing it will regain soon its full presence in the body of the Church
@Hank I'm not too surprised. The difference about the Russians using Russian, Byzantines Greek, Armenians Armenian and the Romans Latin is that the former three just use the vernacular that won't cease existence any time soon no matter what. Meanwhile as much as they have "Roman" in their name, the persistence of its Latin is purely artificial and easily cancelable.
@@enriquetaborda8521 Amen
I really enjoyed your videos about Latin. Your fluency is quite spectacular. I'm a Catalan speaker and I think I could understand you much better when using the ancient accent, wich sounds very italian to me wiith an interesting choice for certain words. Forum, Metropolitana.... I loved that. It also feels almost magic to understand every conjunction, preposition and pronoun with no effort.
Excellent videos. Keep rocking
Lucas: *Enters the Vatican*
Every single priest inside: "I just felt a sudden chill up my spine. Why.... why do I hear boss music?"
Edit! I'm curious, Lucas, are you currently able to understand scientific texts written in New Latin (stuff written in say, the 1700s-1800s)? Call it a deranged notion but I think it's lammentable that Latin (and to a lesser extent Classic Greek) gave way to English as the international language of science. I've already set a goal for myself to be able to write medical articles in Classical Chinese and would like to do the same, eventually, in Latin and Greek, partially for fun, but also as a demonstration that this is still possible. Would appreciate your input!
You should have left “Why do i hear boss music?” in a separate comment, it's gold.
now wondering how one would translate _that_ in Latin.
Yes, those texts are as straightforward as their translations
@@AraboNormand
Cur audio musicam dominicam?
@@stevied3400
optime!
aut fortasse :
« cur missam requiem audio? »
Latin, as the language of people in power- the monarchy, aristocracy, and the church, could never survive the process of democratization that started rolling since the enlightenment.
Salve, as a Catholic viewer of your channel I really appreciate the video! If you're still in Rome I highly recommend visiting the Chiesa della Santissima Trinità dei Pellegrini, if not to attend a Mass which will be in Latin then to chat with the priests who might be more familiar with it. Ad multos annos.
I was studying in a catholic school and there was a priest from Italy that fluent in it, he taught me several words but i have forgotten most of them. Sadly he passed away few years ago. RIP Don Dino
Did you know that if you change a letter in his name you actually name him as a meme? In Italy “Don Gino” is like a meme priest that has kids in his cellar
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It is so wonderful to hear Latin spoken conversationally. So cool. Kudos to the priests who had what it took to be in your video. Thanks!
2:21 Nomen mihi est Caesar.
Me, saluting with a paint brush: Hail Caesar!
AVE TRUE TO CAESER
a paintbrush 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Avē Caesar!
AVE
Okay.. as a Catholic.. The Next video NEEDS to be... "Speaking latin with Latin Mass priests". I'd LOVE to see you talk with some of the priests from the Fssp, ICKSP, or the SSPX. They only say the liturgy in Latin and they study Ecclesiastical Latin to a much higher degree than the priests you spoke with.
Again. You went through all the transcripts of the people you are referencing? I very much doubt it. You can assume anything you want. But making an unsubstantiated claim does not further your cause. And you comment has "CAUSE" written all over it.
The purpose of having the official documents and pronouncements is to keep the message intact, since Latin is arguably no longer evolving. Latin is a technical language too, as most of you have already noticed which makes it perfect for official documents where things needed to be only either black or white.
What I got out of your various conversation is Civility. Everyone your spoke with seems very nice, especially when you mix the beautiful backdrop of the Vatican/Rome. Bravo!
I studied Latin for 3 years in high school, learned to read it and pronounce the vowels and words correctly but never tried having a conversation with it. It’s really cool to see you using it here in that way
I did exactly the same thing. I was a Romance Language major in college, but those 3 years of High School Latin helped me so much, but could never hold a conversation in Latin, like Luke does.
The Roman way?
Kaiser not Cesar,
Luke, you should teach Latin at the Vatican! This could be the epicenter of the emergence of spoken Latin on a grander scale!
Cannon Law requires seminaries to teach Latin. To my knowledge that hasn't been enforced in decades (or longer). I read an introduction to a basic Latin textbook (aimed at young school children) that talk of the serious lack of proficiency in Latin and how if Catholics don't start learning Latin the language (and a serious piece of our culture and history) will disappear. This text book was written a hundred years ago.
@@rtyria As far as I know, it is enforced. That is, there is a course called "Latin" in seminaries, and they're obliged to pass it. However, the subject isn't treated as seriously as it should be and many priests end up with only bits and pieces of Latin (think of all the schoolchildren who theoretically study a language for several years and ultimately they barely remember how to say "hello, how are you").
@@OberstWunderwaffe Use it or lose it. :)
As a Romanian, I understood kinda half of what you talked about. It sounded so beautiful!
I think that's because the Romanian language due to the fact that Romania as a Latin country is more isolated than the other Latin countries, has kept its integrity much more than languages like Italian or French for example. In addition, Romanian is the only Latin language to still use the desinence instead of the articles aka "the" in English. There are other aspects as well.
@@youalreadyknow4422 That's interesting. I thought it would be less similar to Latin because of it being surrounded by Turkish/Slavic languages for so long and being consistently invaded by foreign languages.
I speak Spanish and met a family from Romania. They didn't know it but I was understanding a lot of what they were saying to each other. For one thing, I was amazed that the numbers are exactly like in Spanish. The Roman Empire really got around and spread a lot of knowledge.
@@anoon- it has never been invaded by any foreign languages other than latin, Romania is basically latin combined with dacian, the whole territory of Romania and far beyond it used to be dacian land, and stop mentioning turkish as an influence over us, my ancestors died fighting the ottoman empire, they’re basically the reason why europe isn’t a muslim continent right now, show some respect.
All my grandparents were born in Italy and I never had any desire to learn Spanish but I think I want to learn Latin now because I already speak Spanish and there are many words that sound the same. Thank you for sharing.
Un paisano mexicano que alegría... excelente video saludos desde México 🇲🇽👍
Great video! One of the last remains where authentic Latin is spoken in the Church is the "Tridentine Mass" or "Latin Mass". I think you'd be stunned by the usage of Latin in the liturgy. One church in Rome, where the Latin Mass is read is "Santissima Trinita dei Pellegrini" near Ponte Sisto.
Bro being Mexican, it’s kinda surprising how much I understood. I understand Spanish has a lot of Latin root but still, pretty crazy.
It's more similar to italian tho
@@jessicahernandez3090 It is. Example monday:
Latin: lunae dies (or dies lunae)
Italian: lunedi
Spanish: lunes
French: lundi
@@jessicahernandez3090 Yeah, I agree 100%. Was just remarking on a personal observation. I figured it was a given that Italian would be the closest, didn’t think knowing Spanish I would have been able to pick up on as much as I did.
Come to europe and speak slow enough, you can have a conversation in italian or portuguese too
@@espiritucallejero9127 Oh yeah. Also spanish is really similar to italian too.