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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 23 ก.ย. 2020
- Kyle takes the Audi e-tron Prestige on a 70mph highway range test, as we do with every EV! How far will it go? You'll have to watch to find out...
Kyle can be found on twitter: @Out_of_Spec or on TH-cam at @OutofSpecMotoring - บันเทิง
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"We just hit 100"
She wants to leave I think hahah.
very nice review!
Greetings from Belgium.
Those 21" wheels definitely take a toll on efficiency (and range). But they look great. Worth it. Also, great video.
Thanks 👍
True. The problem is not so much the diameter, its the width which is 265 on both axles (square setup) with the 21 inch wheels. Would be cool with a re-test with the 19 inch aero wheels or even the 20 inch wheels. These are a bit narrower, and lighter, and will give give noticeably lower consumption. They are also even more quiet.
Despite the thirst Etron's quick charging makes it seem viable for trips. It certainly is a nice car.
Great video, had to watch it again 👍
Enjoyed the test. Good job!
GR8 test brotha...close to pulling the plug on purchasing this vehicle. Legit useful info.. thanks!!
Nice test, agreed that those wheels take a toll. Looking forward to a video with Alyssa's opinion of the eTron.
Also for your review of the Taycan. I expect you to pull 270mi at least on your 70mph range test with 19" or 20" wheels.
Alyssa is always having a look on her face like..... “I’m not here for this!” Always good videos!
Lmao she looks really enthusiastic about this. 😂
Nice job in the range test videos. I really enjoy those. BTW, I vaguely remember something about Electrify America planning on adding Tesla adapters. Or was that EVGO? Do you know anything about that?
It was EVgo in the SF Bay Area - Kyle
Reading between the lines of the Battery Day Q&A, I’m starting to believe Tesla might switch to CCS2 (SAE J3068) in North America. If you rewatch the battery day Q&A, specifically here - th-cam.com/video/l6T9xIeZTds/w-d-xo.html , they seem to dance around the idea when talking about Vehicle to Grid.
“We basically can enable that (V2G) in Europe (CCS2 cars) with a software update or something” but “it just happens with the way North American connectors are..... the Tesla connector and the connector other cars use (guessing CCS1) can’t do this (V2G)” and “future generations of (Tesla) power electronics (CCS2 port?) will have the ability to do this”. Breaking that all down it seems they might move to CCS2 with future vehicles and Tesla’s version of bidirectional charging will be DC only as only bidirectional AC charging at home would work well.
Maybe they’re waiting on the Model S/X refresh to announce it more clearly so as not to Osborne themselves.
I hope if they did ultimately do this EA could replace their spare unused connectors with CCS2 cords. That would be basically an overnight solution. Then I would wonder which other manufacturers would follow Tesla’s lead.
Good to see EA got those chargers back up and running pretty quickly.
I think the E-Tron could become a good 2nd hand market option once depreciation has hit them pretty good 😆
Agreed! - Kyle
Ive been thinking about that, but am afraid to get a 2019 first model year etron.
I thought this too and was considering a used etron for 2021. After working w the dealership the tax credits and rebates make a new 2021 the same price as a used!
Alright, so inquiring minds want to know - how did Alyssa like the E-Tron? You were thinking before she saw it that she'd love it
Does outside temperature affect the battery life/range at all? And does the battery stay pretty consistent so that it doesn’t drop (for example) from 30% to 10% for no reason? Nice video btw.
Nice vlog! Can you please explain the relationship between speed and range for Etron? What if i go at a constant speed of 80mph? Can i still expect the same range?
Thank you for this video. We were debating to get eatron or not. We live for San Francisco area I need to know if this card can make it to kettleman City for 180 mi charge. It looks like it's not going to driving at 70 mph constantly. This means we will have to 🛑 stop three times for charging to make it from San Francisco to Los Angeles. And that will be 1 and 1/2 hours or 2 hours longer than the usual 6-hour drive. Overall the car is very cool I love the panoramic sunroof that has a shade
I wonder how much the range increases if you drop the speed to 60 or 50 mph.
I just saw where you were driving this thing down on HWY 74 near Lumberton a couple of days ago.
By the way, I’ve seen conflicting things about how the VW Group’s battery buffer works. Certain journalists claim the buffer is literally certain cells being kept “offline” until needed, whereas my understanding is the buffer is just all of the cells being capped from charging past a certain point (say 80% of actual full capacity). As the cells age VW/Audi has the ability to increase the charging threshold to make up for cell degradation and thus lower capacity.
Btw, Kyle, I think your GF wants you to put a 💍 on it. Lol.
It’s the cells being capped - Kyle
Alyssa is a very good videographer!
My e-tron has the 20inch wheels. 70mph on the highway gets 2.6 miles/kWh with A/C on eco on a 85 degree day. I bet the 19" aero wheel is even better. Thanks for the test!
I have the same experience, I think it's the width that makes the difference. 245 vs. 265 non-staggered. I actually don't know any other EV that has 265 wide wheels on the front axle, except the Taycan Turbo S, which also has 305 wide rear wheels.. 🙂 Good test Kyle!
That's like about 400 Wh/mi which is quite inefficient for an EV. By contrast the Tesla Y gives you approx. 250 Wh/mi or 4 miles/KWhr easily. Unless the e-tron improves their battery efficiency they're gonna have to pack a lot more battery into the car which in turn reduces efficiency again (as unlike fuel battery weight doesn't go down as you consume it leading to more efficiency with a lighter gas car) not to mention increasing costs or reducing their profits if they keep costs low. All this means, Audi won't be able to compete soon and will likely have to pull out of the EV market and die with their gas cars within a decade.
@@fanirama You make it sound like the smaller, more sparsely equipped and way less comfortable Model Y is "60% better" than the e-tron. The truth is that according to WLTP, which unlike fake EPA can be used for comparing cars, The Model Y has 17% better range per charge. Which corresponds quite well even with the 70 mph tests seen on this channel. Taking into account that this e-tron had the 21-inch, 265 wide (square setup) wheels. Remember, the e-tron also adds more kWh per minute on average when fast charging.
For example, the e-tron 55 quattro would use approximately 53 hours and 20 charging stops going 5% over the speed limit from LA to New York. In the unlikely event of not using any destination chargers. abetterrouteplanner.com/?plan_uuid=d46f39af-2880-48e1-bdcc-3e0b14947d7b
The Model Y LR AWD would use 51 hours and need 22 charging stops on the same exercise, same route. abetterrouteplanner.com/?plan_uuid=19619546-df34-4ce5-a51b-240eccc9a6b6
The Model X LR Plus would use 52 hours and need 18 charging stops. abetterrouteplanner.com/?plan_uuid=6bbcfb1e-6c14-473d-8ab5-faa6e2758a19
In Europe, the situation is a little different due to more CCS fast chargers and higher speed limits, especially in Germany. So, if you were to go from Flensburg in northern Germany to Rome, it would take 21 hours and you would need 10 charging stops. abetterrouteplanner.com/?plan_uuid=2e642696-4517-453b-99b6-4e8a786ab947
The Model Y AWD LR would use 20 hours and 8 charging stops. abetterrouteplanner.com/?plan_uuid=508127dd-2707-44cf-9455-daeb8b3cc316
The Model X LR Plus would use 21 hours and 7 charging stops. abetterrouteplanner.com/?plan_uuid=2e642696-4517-453b-99b6-4e8a786ab947
I guessed 201 so I wasn’t too far off. I cheated and referenced Carwow range test and figured between highway speed of 70 and Europe’s camera mirrors you’d land a little lower. Hadn’t considered the Aero wheels...good call.
Is it dangerous should there be rain while charging? Very curious? If anyone could give their thoughs... Thank you!
My 2021 Audi e-tron with 56,000 miles lost a lot of range suddenly November 2023. A 100% charge range of only 171 miles. An 80% charge range of 156 miles. This never went back up either. The temperature never went below 50° outside. I always charge at 80% unless I'm taking a trip And I do this every night at home. I rarely use a fast charger unless I'm taking a trip and need to get home. I spoke to Audi about this and they said the battery health was fine, battery degradation was normal and that there were no error codes so the battery was in good health. This is ridiculous to me. Not to mention that a $75,000 vehicle is now only worth $32,000 for trade in value. And now the e-tron has a battery recall due to a fire risk. Before the battery issues, the car was one of my favorites. And I was all on board the electric vehicle evolution. Not so much now.
I own a 2019... my milage is lower, but.... a suggestion for you. I assume you have a home L2 charger. If that's the case, you get the car home and leave it empty at near zero for at least 8-10 hours. That solves a lot of issues. This kind of stuff arises from individual cells becoming imbalanced. Letting the car sit at a low state of charge allows the battery management system to recalibrate. Then feed it a charge (not a fast charge, but a standard level 2 charge).... this may resolve many of your issues.
Did the new 2021 software update appreciably improve range at all?
What do you think happens to the range if you maintain speeds of 85mph on freeway..does the total range drop below the claimed figure?
Alyssa needs to do a review on the car
Great job Kyle! BTW, Are you keeping a publicly available spreadsheet to compare the 70mph ranges of all the EVs you are testing? Would be great reference for the public. Many thanks
Yes! We are working on a post compiling all of them together
@@InsideEVsUS Don't forget to include mi/kWh efficiency and how that relates to fast charging in terms of miles added per time is affected.
Would have been nice to report the amount of Kwh charged back into the battery after the run.
I estimated between 185-190. Remember he wasn't recuperating energy, so with that i suppose you would be somewhere around 215-22?0 depending on terrain elevation.
At 18:53 you were s mode instead of d, why? Doesn’t s mode use more power when you take off?
I just bought this car 3 weeks ago and filled it up to 100% just now and it says 261 miles. Why does it say that if it only is supposed to get 204 miles?
Those signet chagers are a diff design than my ohio ea ones
Model Y gets 3.6 miles per kwh - how does that compare to this Audi? Does Audi compensate with a much larger battery? 95-kWh battery for this vehicle, is that larger than a Model Y?
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Did you happen to charge at the Electrify America in PA at the Sheetz?
I have awhile ago! - Kyle
At 15:45 , if you press that flag you will see the estimated battery percentage on arrival at your destination, or at multiple destinations.
At 15:15 , in Settings -> Display & Brightness -> Virtual Cockpit , you can change those gauges to the more modern "e-tron" layout, like this; th-cam.com/video/l7kwAwJ0_qg/w-d-xo.html You can then Configure what information you want to have displayed permanently, like the average trip consumption, while you switch between different views and information.
Usually you don't change this every day, but if you do, you can press and hold on an option to add a shortcut to the lower main screen. This can be done for most options, like enable/disable auto-fold mirrors, lock tailgate, tow-mode, wipers in service position, jack mode, etc. Or to bring up the charging screen to bring up the actual SOC in percent.. In addition to making shortcuts for Navi destinations.
NOTE! I think the Virtual Cockpit is an option, note included in the base model. But it is planned to be one of the functions you can get on-demand or subscribe to. They just enabled this for the Matrix lights, which is pretty cool- if you rarely need it. Another function Audi plan to introduce is the Parking assist. You can briefly see it in this catchy commercial th-cam.com/video/nONn_c0CUWo/w-d-xo.html
70° and not a parka in sight. Very brave.
How long did it take to recharge back to 100%?
30 to 45 mins
I would not be able to drive that slow on a long distance. Usually 85 to 90+ on longer trips when I fly out and rent a car and locally I am doing about the same up to 100. The range may drop 50%. There was a late night test on a tesla and it lost 26% range going at 70 versus 60.
188.4 Miles..!!
How does it compare on insurance vs a regular car? Anyone?
I can answer this.... Abysmal! My 2017 Cadillac CT6 PHEV was $514 for 6 months. My 2019 eTron Prestige was $914 for 6 months.
I believe I saw Audi is planning to add 100 miles to range. Thoughts on how this will be achieved? Smaller battery pack buffet, lose weight, better aero, more. paucity, all of the above? 2.3 mi/kWh is pretty poor efficiency so plenty of room for improvement there.
bigger battery and more efficient motors are probably the two main ones. the etron battery is fairly big at 95kwh but not big at all compared with some of these trucks coming out (rivian's being 135kwh, ford lightning either 110 or 145, and the massive hummer 212)
Battery is already huge so I would assume more efficient shape and motors.
Did you misspeak 3.2 mi/kWh? Hard to believe it can be so low as 2.3 mi/kWh.
Ha! It's a heavy beast - Kyle
I have an etron and yes 2.3 is about right
@@djdiscopapi likewise, 2.3 is totally normal. I try not to look at efficiency when driving faster.
For a so said full option, it doesn't even have the rearview camera's..?
They are not authorised in US. In Uk they are GREAT!.
why would you get those? they give you no noticeable range, and add complexity for no reason ... any repair on those will be ridiculously expensive ... i'd take the normal rear mirrors on this without a doubt ...
@@hammer082 don’t mention repairs of rear view mirrors when it comes to a fully electric car lol. But I agree!
@@bombakdik there is already a problem with modern cars, my 20 year old car with almost 300k miles on it, doesn't care that the sat nav is not working anymore, cruise control has some issues, and/or some other problems popped up over time. I hit my mirror a while ago and the casing fell off. On the old car I could simply pop it back on. But with modern (not just electric) cars, it's become ridiculous, everything is so connected and complex, with electronic failures, you can't even open doors on some models ... matrix led head lights come as standard with some cars, which is nice, because they are sweet, but it's also a problem, because when they break, you pay an arm and a leg to get the replaced ...
157mph at the track?
9:30 AIRSUSPENSION : )
190 miles on 70 mph? Does this mean 150 miles on 80mph?
I have previously owned 3 Audi's so got the Etron on a lease for the tax break and environmental position - Ive now driven the car for the last 3 years and I cant wait to hand the keys back its the worst car I ever had! - Only ever got 165 miles on full charge (UK summer only)- it struggled to complete a round trip of 70 miles London to Southampton on a full charge - with no heating on during the winter we had to revert to putting a blanket in the car to keep warm!( Its a £71k car FFS) - If you like stress, high blood pressure,waiting for hours at motorway service stations due to lack of EV infra structure or going completely off beam looking for charging points and generally taking at least 3-4 hours extra to get anywhere of distance then this is the car for you! Im going back to petrol - ps in the UK charging an EV at a service station is now more expensive than petrol!
Tesla supercharger are anywhere from .12 to .30. Electrify American is expensive.
Why don’t you carry a portable charger with you on these range tests. Will make it a lot easier to conduct these test down to zero with a lot less looping around at the end.
Still cannot figure out the advantage of electric cars.........cheaper to run with electricity?
But then you pay exuberant prices to own one.......and the charging time,not to mention the anxiety!
I’ll wait till they get a much higher range,and faster charging!
@@timfryer9408 Another factor with EV vehicles, is the possibility that agencies might have the authority
to pirate your vehicle EX. Not paying bills,tickets etc,etc....the technology is so vast,your onboard computer
is observed at will,and manipulated to someone’s directive,basically under the microscope.......a thief can be locked
In his car and the car would change it’s course (if self driving)to a near by force.......the amount of satellites in space is overwhelming
Control is a big factor!
@@timfryer9408 "the e-tron doesn't make much sense except as a luxury car" The Audi e-tron IS a luxury car, it's not for the average consumer. The Id.4 will be one for the average consumer.
love it: "sorry for the silly ICE car" :-)
range is not the only issue: watch this owner's video experience th-cam.com/video/IOPFiR4pIhc/w-d-xo.html
You lost me after the “silly ICE cars” comment.
New audi has less range than 2012 Tesla.
but the build quality is miles better.
@@donvanvliet9477 So, they can put together car parts nicely but they have no idea about battery packs, ev drivetrains, software and efficiency?
@@teknikbil Have seen or driven an etron?
@@donvanvliet9477 Who cares? Paying over $80K for an EV that has less than 200miles of range?. It becomes a city car not suitable anything other than daily in city usage. What is the excuse getting 200miles of range out of a 95kwh battery pack I wonder: Let me guess: Gross incompetence.
@@teknikbil I'll take that as NO then. You should try it. There's more to EVs than range.
24 min video of the same 2 paragraphs of information repeated continually.
Doing 100 % to 0% range test is a contrived test an not useful in practical situations. Instead I suggest doing the test to 10% SOC which is more realistic. One can always extrapolate. Will save you ton of time and anxiety and is good enough rest of the vehicle. My 2 cents
My Boss just got rid and got a Tesla, great car. Not so great range. For the USA not good at all.
The thing is that the e-tron was not directly developed to compete with the tesla. It is a supplement vehicle in Audis lineup for those customers that want an EV but wish to stay within the audi brand. Can Audi developed an e-tron with higher battery range, probably yes, why dont they. Well unlike tesla audi still has petro/diesel vehicles on the market wish they are invested billions of dollars and they are not going to make those vehicles obsolete any time soon. Imagine if Audi developed an e-tron that outperformed an audi rs6, it would make the rs6 obsolete and would cost audi a bucket load.
With your logic, how do you explain the Audi RS e-tron GT? It's faster than an RS6!
Range below 300 miles is unacceptable and I just don’t understand why European is not bothered by such low range e car
We have a 2015 Leaf and a Tesla Model 3 Standard range + After driving the Leaf for 3 years its a great city car.The Tesla we went from Calgary AB to Victoria BC and back(2,138 KM)1328 miles over the summer and did the trip as fast as if we were driving ICE.Car was ready to go before we were every time.Bigger battery=Higher price.
@@MHdollrevievs You can do that with an e-tron as well. Three stops of 20, 22 and 32 minutes on the way there abetterrouteplanner.com?plan_uuid=40aae50e-95ae-4bf9-9de9-1329521d174a and four stops of 14, 21, 21 and 24 minutes going back. abetterrouteplanner.com?plan_uuid=40aae50e-95ae-4bf9-9de9-1329521d174a If you not choose to sleep somewhere with a destination charger, of course.. then you can eliminate at least one stop both ways.
Because I guess we really don't drive that far (UK). My car has a 200 mile range and I won't go past that very often. Carrying another 200-300kg of battery doesn't make that much sense for several trips a year.