Old Audi E-Tron Perfectly Matches Q8 E-Tron In The 10% Challenge!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 3 ต.ค. 2023
- Kyle takes our 2019 Audi -e-tron Prestige on the 21" wheels on the Out of Spec 10% Challenge! Let's see how it stacks up in this EV road trip race
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I managed to find a 2020 Etron fastback with 15k miles, for low 30’s. And basically a full warranty due to when it was first sold publicly(Audi exec car kept it off market).
Largely due to you and Allyssa’s Etron experience.
Living is DC is no sales tax, and up to 1k towards a level 2 home charging install AND one time inspection since zero emissions.
Seeing this I 100% agree with three of these over one new.
I am shocked how cheap e-trones are. I wonder why?
Thanks for all your informative videos! Just got a 2022, sportback, S line, prestige. It’s gorgeous! Got it for 39k. It’s in perfect condition with 15k on it! Feels like I stole it at this price.
You're missing the most important feature of all on the newer e-trons, available heated steering wheels! It sacrifices only one mile of total estimated range and what a difference it makes.
This car model has a lot of life left, so very relevant that you do the 10% challenge especially with current used prices! Thanks!!
Most of the low-mileage etrons have disappeared from New England Audi dealers in the past couple of weeks. There had been a dozen or so that were CPO cars, but just a few now now. Kyle has been touting these older cars so much in this and other recent videos, I think he's moved the market!
Purchased a very lightly used 22 etron with 5800 miles thanks to your recommendation. Fantastic car!
Kyle, thanks for the Etron videos. I bought my ‘19 etron prestige in August because of your videos like this so thanks again.
Hello Kyle and team, thanks for educating me on EVs and the deals on eTrons. I just purchased a 2019 eTron Premium+ with 25k and 1 yr left on the original warranty for….$34k. I’m very excited to start my EV journey with the eTron. 😀
Btw, I do plan to keep extending the warranty…
I purchased a new 2023 Model 3 RWD early this year. But lately, for the price, I'm thinking of selling it for a 2019 e-tron. I primarily charge at home.
No doubt this is a great test and probably the best there is for road tripping
Great review thanks
I bought a 2019 55 with 40k on the clock, launch edition, totally love it, drive brilliantly, loads of extra, pan roof, etc. I have had over 20 Audis over the years and it's amazing, Range does actually what it says it's going to do. I think it as power level not just miles. Range Anxiety is getting better, charge at home and when it needs it I use super changers and it's super fast. Would recommend a full Audi three year warranty with two services included. Go main dealer as you get Audi support if the franchise messes up. Audi group is all over them at the moment, specially in the UK
Kyle. You may not see this, but what is the better road trip car, a used Etron or 2017/2018 Model S 100D?
Surprising result.
how's the reliability of these older E-trons? I've heard that they have some issues with the drivetrain if anyone has experience with them?
I had a gut feeling when I almost pull the trigger back a couple years ago in buying a used E-tron 55 that it was an excellent road tripper, I would have been very happy with that purchase! Well after a very poor experience with my 2023 Ioniq 5 due to Hyundai's service not the car so much and now my rockingly great Tesla Model Y AWD Long range road tripper, I can say I am happy with my current choice! Always great to gain this information from your channel as it allows me to make legitimate recommendations to others who are purchasing EV's, excellent channel start to finish and such a great resource to anyone considering an EV!
How do you get the profile confirmation and a profile thumbnail in the center screen? Mine shows my name on the display above the hvac screen and I have to tap to select myself every single time. Then wait 8 seconds until the interior LED strips goes red and then my selected color. Then I can drive.
Hi Kyle, please make a video on the motor coolant issue. Is it really common like does every owner encounter this issue? After 4 years of extended warranty will it be expensive to maintain etc. Thanks
Do you have pointers to this issue?
So I am guessing the newer Etrons will even do better than the Q8 etron since they’re more efficient than the 2019 versions?
As an e-tron 55 owner I am glad to see you test this fantastic car. The result match what we see in our database. We have a sort order that is inspired by your 10% challenge and calculate result for all models. Very interesting test.
Hi Kyle. Love the videos. I’ve just sat and watched your road trips across America in the E Tron and loved them all. I have a charging question for you. I live in the UK and I’ve never owned an EV before. I’m looking at getting a 2 year old E Tron. It would be the 55 so the bigger battery. Never thought I would be able to afford such a luxury car but they are retailing for £25000 here at the moment which is around $32000 so in my view a bargain!!! My commute to work is around 22 miles each was and is mostly motorway so 70mph although a section is down to 40mph at that time of the morning due to high volumes of traffic. Then I’m into queueing to get into the town so 30mph and under. The multi story carpark where I park costs £3.50 per day to park but if you have an EV your charging is included in that fee. My question though is about charging while I’m at work. I’m guessing I can’t leave the car plugged in at one of these chargers for 8 hours straight (there are 10 of them and they are all on level 1 of the car park. They are type 2 7kw chargers.). If this was your car and daily commute what charging regime would you adopt please? 🤔.
That seems like a no-brainer... if the charging is free, plug it in at work every day! Level 1 charging is better for the overall health of the battery, just set 80% charge and take advantage... you may not even need to charge anywhere else on a regular basis!
I really enjoy and value your 15 Minute Test to compare vehicle charging range. Why is depreciation so high on the E-tron?
I saw a video that explained most luxury cars across the board depreciate fast in 4-5 years because they are over engineered. Once the warranty goes out, repairs are too expensive and drawn out.
Personally, I really enjoy the videos/tests that feature used and/or lower priced EVs.
Yes, it’s fun to see the top of the line, bleeding edge tech, tricked out vehicles ripping around.
But realistically, I’m not going to own one of those. I love my ‘21 M3 SR+ as it does everything I need it to do and is so much fun to drive around in. 😂
Always fun to watch and listen to these test rides!
should be called the 10% 15min test!
I would like to see the 10% challenge or range test with after market wheels . What's the difference ?
I second this!
I think it would be interested to see the aero impact of the wheels as well!
Do we have a spreadsheet for the results of the OOS testing?
Great content Kyle
goddammit now you got me looking at used etrons even though we have an ix.
As a fellow 2019 owner, I read unfortunately a lot about the motors eventually failing due to coolant issues. That'd probably be the one big advantage over a Q8 over a used 2019, as it seems the motor failure on the older models is just a matter of when not if (and the motors are only covered by a 4 year warranty).
My 2019 (according to my local dealer) has an 8 year or 100K mile motor warranty.
@@Whole_Leash_It unless you bought an extended warranty I'd encourage you to double check, especially as dealerships still aren't familiar with EVs and can easily misspeak/confuse issues. 8yr/100k is the battery warranty, but the basic and drivetrain warranty is 4 yr/50k.
@@Whole_Leash_Itthat is the battery warranty
Is there a data source for the motor failing eventually? The when not if part?
I'm seriously looking and this is the one thing I've heard could be a problem, though the anecdote was coolant leaked and that is what caused the motor to go out.
@@miketaylor3947 This will be a tl,dr, but short answer, no hard data, only Audi would have that and I'm sure its not a number they plan on releasing. Long winded answer, as someone who owns one I'm in a few forums regarding the vehicle so have seen that its an issue without a real solution, other than maybe some preventive maintenance. Both motors seem to regularly seep coolant, front motors were replaced with a recall and that seems to have mitigated the issue for the most part, so if you're shopping around make sure that recall has been done, but the front motor will still require the coolant to be drained at 20k intervals, I don't know how DIY this is, it looks a little complicated to me. The rear motor has a overflow canister, if you have a mount and are handy, checking and replacing this does look to be a bit more doable on a DIY level, the rear motor just notes replacing the canister at 20k intervals, no draining like the front motor (I did my 20k service at about 24k miles and my dealership said my canister was dry and didn't need to be replaced at that time). The failures of the rear motor, which seems to be the motor that is failing after the 4 year mark, SEEMS to result when that canister gets full and it isn't caught in time. So potentially regular maintenance checks of the coolant on the two motors MIGHT prevent the motor failure, but there doesn't seem to be any real consistency between vehicles as to how much coolant leaks in to the overflow canister in regards to mileage or usage, there have been some that got the rear motor failure before even the 20k mile mark, it just seems like some vehicles are luckier than others as to the rate of coolant leaking.
Nice Test. Please do this Test with BMW iX, EQS SUV and E-Tron at the same time!
Thank you for sharing your personal experience on this one Kyle - I have some cars on my short list for February - leasing and it needs to do long distances well. Because of you the Etron is on my list now, like the Etron-GT RS, EQS, maybe until then the i5 - they are all competitive priced with leasing which works best for me for now. 400km range is good enough especially if you can have fast charging. The E-tron start under 500€ p.m. leasing.
is there a public spec list if we wanted to try to replicate these tests ourselves?
Can you guys do the chronos 22 range test im interested on that pls
You talk alot about having a roofbox on top, what is actually the penalty of driving around with a roofbox on the Audi? I want to make a trip in summer with a roofbox and will have the new Q8 etron by then, so just wondering if you could also share that experience. Great informative video again btw, I’ve seen all your video’s on the Audi (Q8) e-tron and it has been a big influence to go get one as well, thanks alot!
Fast charging is just stupid expensive. This works out to $0.25 per mile which is identical to the 3.0l supercharged V6 in my Audi Q7 that requires premium fuel. And that's me driving with a heavy foot and more city driving than highway. It could easily beat that in a highway test like this one.
I LOVE you call it the "FAT e-tron" as well, like Bjorn! :-)
Thank you Sir!
Considering scooping up a 2019 E-Tron prestige in the $31-35k range. While I normally make fun of extended warranties, I can't help but have some fears on the reliability of these out of warranty. The 8 year battery warranty looks to only cover the battery, not the motors. Looking at the forums, I see some people have had some very costly issues. Anyone have experience? Is it worth taking the gamble?
Looks like the motors have a coolant problem that makes it only a matter of time until they fail. Accountants prepare those extended warranties, and if they’re excluding motors, that tells you all you need to know about them.
@@Jeddin Is there data on the motor failure rate? I'm seriously looking and I'm pretty sure my top question after basic history of the car is remaining warranty, what's covered and what's not and options for an extended.
The market is not going to come back on the used Audi it will only go down as the market for EV choice grows
Not only that but Tesla’s bad earning will likely push them to do more price cuts and therefore plumet the prices across the board for new & used
@@hammiusa1Great for consumers!
... waiting for the Lucid Air big battery taking on the Taican.
WHEN ???? So curious!!
Link to spreadsheet with results?
Needs Ellie and Blue!
My Q8 took on 41 kW from the new SK Signet charger in the 10% for 15 minutes charge.
On our Christmas roadtrip up north we encountered 9F temps. Our '21 Prestige on 21" wheels pulled 100kW charging. GOM read 166 miles on a high charge.
Actually a bit surprised the old e-tron didn’t do better than the new e-tron
I'm torn between this and the Jaguar I-Pace. Have you tested an I-Pace? They seem pretty similar on paper. Used I-Paces seem to run a little cheaper in my area with similarly equipped e-Trons.
Get the e-tron! Better range, better charging, and a nicer vehicle.
Where are you based? I looked at the I-Pace in the past, but you don't see them over here at all (Germany). Also it's a big difference if you want to buy or lease.
etron is the newer/better car, will charge much faster than an ipace.
@@bavariancarenthusiast2722 I'm in the Northeast US, looking at used 2019-2021's. E-Trons and I-Paces are about the same price here with the same options. They have about the same power, range, etc as well.
I was looking at an I-Pace until two friends who work at JLR as service advisors steered me away. Apparently they had a lot of issues with those cars that the dealer themselves can't solve all the time. Eventually went with the Audi e-tron and happy with it overall.
What is the efficiency difference between the stock 21" wheel and the 22" wheel?
Is it not really disappointing that in 4 years Audi really haven't made any progress, bigger battery but same/slightly worse efficiency, not the progression i was expecting.
Sub 150kW peak, sub 500V, 350A max, best case scenario for a CCS car being compatible with just about every charger out there and get good performance.
I appreciate these tests and your efforts and positive energy. Two question about these tests, why eco mode? And are people normally using eco modes? I have never used them in my cars.
My e-tron always remains in eco mode. Never felt the need to take it out of it. Its been 3 years.
@@flashingc okay! 👍 What is your reasoning behind the decision?
@@Harrythehuncoz in most cases I don't need the super fast acceleration or blaring air conditioning. For a daily driver that is always parked inside, efficiency mode is enough.
Dear Kyle, I know you are professional in your work and that is why I subscribed to your channel, one note I like to tell you that you always Criticize an Audi Sportback but you love the regular Audi because you have a dog, I don't have a dog and I don't need a big space and I see the Sportback currently it is the most beautiful EV in the market right now, thanks.
Seconded, Audi makes the best sportback.
@@godofdun❤
Also slightly more efficient due to lower drag.
I'm actually thinking of trading in for the q8 sport back E-Tron...
So many comments of "not efficient" "low miles / kwh"
Hmmm, what could cause a car to suck a lot of juice?
Weight
Gravity (ie hill climbing)
Aerodynamics
Drive style
Rolling friction
all the other things using electricity, sensors, actuators, displays, brakes, hvac, lights, etc....
Dynamic suspension uses electricity, too, yes?
With that flat charging curve likely a better road tripper than the Q-8.
They both have the same charge time to 80%, so the Q8 should do slightly better if plugging in around 30% since it will hit the 170kW for a bit.
Another thing I really hate is that many chargers bill by time and not energy used (at least in Canada). This means at an Electrify Canada charger if you have a car that charges at 100kW and you don't have their membership it will cost you $0.34 per kWh, but if your car charges at 200kW then it would be more like $0.17 per kWh.
Why not just charge for the energy used and then by the minute if you hog the charger after?
Isn't it down to the local laws that restricts companies reselling electricity directly? Charging by time is just a loophole to get around that.
@@martyndavies1482 Not anymore in Canada. That used to be the case for years but recently changed. Almost no suppliers are changing to per kWh charging even though they could since it is far more profitable not to.
I really like this test. My goal is to get in on a full EV to replace my PHEV when a reasonably affordable EV can do 3 hours of highway driving (at 120km/h, 75mph) on a 15 minute charge.
Most cars so far seem WAY off this mark, but the Hyundai/Kia E-GMP vehicles seem pretty close since they aren't unaffordable and the 800v makes high speed charging actually reasonable assuming you can find a reliable charger.
I drive the Kia EV6 and I think I could do it. I have done the 18 minutes 10-80%. If you can live with a slightly smaller car, there’s a Kia EV4 coming. It should be on the same platform but a little smaller and cheaper.
@@tomm5936The Ionic 5 definitely can't, in the AWD model. You'd have to go 225 miles at 75mph and the car is only rated for 233 miles on the highway, so even 18 minutes 10 to 80 loses 30% of the rated range and puts that at only 163 miles, or 2 hours 10 minutes of driving for 18 minutes of charging, not 3 hours for 15.
They are getting close, but still a pretty far gap to 3 hours in 15 minutes.
@@Snerdles yes you’re right. With a little calculation I see that wouldn’t work. I drive the RWD which is more efficient on paper at least and I believe I get more than the 163 miles but you’re right it won’t go 225 miles.
Are you planning on becoming a bank robber then?
@@martyndavies1482 Uh, what? No. I just do regular long trips in the 600-800km range (return) where I drive to a location, work for usually about 4 hours, and then drive back. In my PHEV I can fill the night before leave with a charge, drive an entire 800km, get home, and still have enough gas while combined with daily charging to do the next few weeks of city driving.
An EV would need to charge twice during those trips, so if it was something like an E-tron that would add another hour and 20 minutes to the trip making it nearly a 14 hour day.
I swar I so this video last year. You regurgitating your videos?
Really glad I bought my CPO 2022 Etron Chronos. Looks like the Q8 is not worth the upgrade.
I do the 40% to 90% challenge every night and it takes me 20 minutes which is quite nice just enough time to have a power nap
I'd like to see the Hyundai Ionic 6 or any of the Hyundai group cars... on this challenge.
He has done the ioniq 6. Look at his video list. I "sold" mine ioniq 5 before he could use it to do the test. But I did the charge test and got 55.2kwh in 15 minutes at the same charger he uses most of the time
@markrichards9792 thanks... I'll take a look... They should do well...
15 Minute Challenge better explains what this actually is.
Maybe you can call this segment "The 10% - 15 Minute Challenge". That should satisfy people.
Or the 10-15-10 challenge
So charge deep, skip a charger makes this a farly good car on a longer ride. If the Infrastructure is good you do not need a bigger battery. But why did they not improve the E-engine? They did it in the ID4. Is Audi not the premium Brand of VW anymore? I seems new a engine would had made mor sense.
It's a different platform - MEB vs. the upcoming PPE from Audi
LOL, a four year old vehicle is considered "old".
All other things being equal, this car will have 4 years less life. Whether or not that is worth 60K will be up to the individual. If you plan or reselling in a few years. The e-tron will depreciate less than a new Q8 (Same as most new cars vs it's 3-4 year counterpart). But a couterpoint will be, where will CCS be in the next 3-4 years (at least in North America). Probably best friends with Chademo.
The difference between Chademo and CCS is even if every CCS station disappears and its only Tesla superchargers, CCS cars can still use a Tesla charger (assuming the station is open to allow other vehicles at this hypothetical point) with an adaptor and still get the full charging potential of the vehicle. When Chademo disappears Chademo vehicles just have to be phased out or live with level 2.
The 48 sec hand shake should be counted in the 15 minutes.
After hearing his rave reviews for a tesla and howbis better than MME I drove a MY MX both where two of rhe WORST cars i ever drove, like a 2004 Jetta, I then Drove a 2019 etron and the ride is on par with my 2019 RDX adv with more amenities but it's so inefficient that if you were to public charge it's the same price as gas Kyle has lost all credibility with me as he's too much of an EV show even when it's not a good deal
EVs will never be more than 25% of the cars on the road so just leave it to Tesla, the rest of these OEM’s just stick with making sweet hybrids and Diesels
I’d rather buy an EV from a company that knows how to build a car that doesn’t rattle and clank, has panels aligned and doesn’t have paint that simply falls off under normal use.
@@fupresti556 who’s paint falls off?
@@fupresti556 I have two Teslas and none of this is true.
@@fupresti556 The eTron is really solid, no rattles or squeeks. If one developes the dealer will be glad to fix it.