The 3 Types of Video Game Sequels
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 10 พ.ย. 2023
- Today I wanted to talk about game sequels.
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Honestly, Portal 2 is more a ballpark sequel than a DLC sequel and it should've be in that category, because it doesn't actually reused the assets from the original game, uses different textures and models to match the new tone and style of the sequel, having a two player co-op, having a heavy emphasize on story, introducing new characters like Wheatley and Cave Johnson, having three times the length of Portal 1, having variety of environments, introducing new mechanics like Deadly Lasers and Tractor Beam, and much more that just gels.
In a lot of ways Portal is more similar to Half-Life 2 than it is to Portal 2
I don’t need to sleep, I need to watch a random stranger on the internet talk about video game sequels!
Great video by the way!
i would say that Portal is actually a Tutorial Prequel of Portal 2
Honorable mention type of sequel "Sequel Displacement" according to Tv Tropes. for example like Street Fighter 2 is very popular and memorable than first Street Fighter games in 1987 (or Fighting Street in Turbografx CD), and also Metal Gear Solid on PS1 is very known than first two games on MSX
The Yakuza series becoming turn based had a lot of people upset bc ppl don't like change. But for those that love turn based games as well, it's one of the best around! Risky to do that w a sequel but i'm v glad they did
For what its worth: while the main numbered Resident Evil games were slowly shifting more towards the action/shooter genre, you at least still had titles like the RE Revelations games. So its not like fans weren't getting that horror experience, although I do think its good that RE eventually shifted towards the 1st person horror genre and was willing to further experiment.
My point mostly is that you've also got fans in the community who did like RE5-6 and felt like they were a natural evolution from RE4. You could argue that this split in a fandom is a bad thing, but I really don't think it is. People can like whatever they want, and as long as they're still fun games, i don't see it as an issue (especially if a company is still catering to the other sorts of fans, but even then, you can still go back and enjoy the older games).
You have the split in the Sonic fandom for example between fans of the Classic 2D formula, the Adventure/06 formula and the boost formula, and you don't see that much infighting in the community because most the people in the Sonic fandom now are grown adults and know that fighting over this shit is kinda ridiculous. What matters at the end of the day is whether or not the game is fun and well made, and while a game might not be for you, it could be for someone else so long as its still well designed. That and Sega at least tries to still cater to fans of the classic 2d formula, as well as Frontiers seemed like an attempt to cater to fans of the Adventure era of games. It also helps that Sega is pretty lenient towards fan works, but that's a whole other discussion.
Another factor to the shift towards action was that people thought the slow pace horor and fixed cameras were becoming outdated for the series at that time.
6:23 I'm not certain if it's a well-known fact or not, but Kirby's Avalanche is like that because it's actually from another series. It's a modification of the Japan-only Super Puyo Puyo, with Kirby characters replacing the Madō Monogatari ones (hence why Kirby talks.) They even share some of the same PAR codes (80FFF002 for the extended options menu, for instance).
It's a good decade when kiro posts
You mean when kirio talks?
Tears of the Kingdom is what I thought of when you mentioned the DLC sequel type.
Agreed, I think it was the best way to go as well. Breath of the Wild had many amazing features while also having some room for improvement. I feel like Tears of the Kingdom improves on most of Breath of the Wild's mistakes while adding some newer content and mechanics for the fans to enjoy.
First. The sequel
First. The sequel. The sequel
@@Noxstel First. The Sequel. The Sequel 2
@@ProjectRafael123First. The Sequel. The Sequel 2. The Sequel
@@indeed260First: The sequel: The sequel 2: The sequel deluxe
@@PossiblyCoolAnimations Sequel to First: The Sequel 2: The Sequel Deluxe 3 & Knuckles
I think a good example of this is Batman Arkham Asylum and Batman Arkham Knight.
They used the same game assets for Arkham City and Origins. It got boring seeing the same visual style for 3 games straight.
Then they blew our minds with Arkham Knight which still looks better than most games today
An other type of sequel is the spiritual sequels
Some examples are sonic 06 been sonic adventure 3 and sonic colors DS is the third sonic rush
the thing is that there only called spiritual because they don't share the name
Another thing you could touch on would be three types of sequel stories:
1. Remake sequels: where you follow the same set of characters through basically the same story. It doesn't really pick up where the previous game left off, and feels more like the same game but in an alternate universe than a direct follow up to the original. The mainline Mario games are a great example.
2. Continuing sequels: where you follow the same characters on a continuation of their last adventure. It's a "true" sequel in every sense of the word. Think of the Kingdom Hearts series, for example.
3. Reboot sequels: this time it's new characters on a new adventure. There might be references to what happened in the previous games, but you can usually still understand what's going on even if you're a complete newcomer to the series. A good example might be the jump from Persona 4 -> Persona 5.
Great video Kiro! You really caught me off guard, I wasn't expecting a mention of the Spark TEJ series as one of your examples but I'm so glad you did, those games deserve more love! Awesome stuff as always!👏
Thanks! Yeah the Spark TEJ games are pretty fun so I figured I'd mention them.
@@kirotalksytTbh, Jazz Jackrabbit 2 is a sequel for the MS-DOS original Jazz Jackrabbit
Love me some DLC sequels, Pokemon Black White 2, inazuma eleven 2, etc
Spark the Electric Jester 3 is my favorite game, and i`m playing Sonic Heroes at the moment. What a coincidence.
Didn't know there was more than one?
Sonic Heroes was definitely my first "ballpark" sequel
Can't belive you didn't talk about rayman 1 and 2 at the end😢
one of my favorite youtube channels keep it up!
You have a very interesting way of describing sequels and putting them in these categories. Honestly sequels deserve more mention and appreciation. When people talk about retrospectives they never really talk about sequels They just talk about the game that started at all and they'll mention the sequels but they won't actually talk about the sequels in detail like you did
what creators are you watching?
as someone who doesn't want a franchise to be 1 specific thing (it's fine if it is but i won't critisize it for being different) i would have these:
- DLC sequel: the differents in my version is that i sometimes consider DLC to also be a sequel (Donkey Kong Adventure from Mario + Rabbids)
- direct sequel: it has a similair gameplay style and is likely to reuse assets (Super Mario 3D World & Super Mario Galaxy 2)
- different sequel: this is where i count the intire franchise as being sequels (any franchise with more than 1 game)
the Mario franchise proves that it really doesn't matter what kind of game you make for an existing IP
There also kingdom hearth chain of memories supppose to "wait, you're a sequel?" after the event of kingdom hearth 1
amazing video dude you are killing it!
Appreciate it!
im honestly surprised that there was no mention of Jak II in here. that's one of the strangest examples of "wait, you're a sequel?" as the movement, controls, and even speedrun tech are the exact same as in Jak and Daxter: The Precursor Legacy, however the gameplay structure, presentation, and tone are all completely different.
why would a speedrun be a basis for having changed the formula?
just curious
@@Doktario_MystarioI think they just meant that the core platformer physics feel the same to the first game. Most skills you learn from 1 can be used straight from the get-go
@@ellagage1256 thanks for explaining
im not saying the speedrun changed, im sayng that the general game engine is so similar that, for example, even speedrun tech is carried over despite everything else being different@@Doktario_Mystario
I think many games back then made better sequels than modern sequels to games. Cool video. ^_^
Babe wake up the goat uploaded a new video
Nice vid Kiro
Strongly disagree that Portal 2 is a DLC sequel. Not a single asset from the original game is reused. Even in the reused test chambers, all of the textures and models are redone to match the new tone of the game and the game is way more detailed in it's environments overall. Also it's like three times the length of Portal 1
LAW - DLC Sequel
NEUTRAL - Ballpark Sequel
CHAOS - Wait, you're a Sequel?
"Hello! Pac-Man". A one-off spinoff been localized as "Pac-Man 2: The New Adventures". Making it a "Wait, You're a sequel?".
Add Super Pac-Man to that category too, as it is heavily obscured by Ms. Pac-Man until the AtGames lawsuit.
Love seeing the bit.trip representation. Beat on the Wii was so damn cool at the time, using the wiimote as the paddle control. Like some kind of pong.
I guess a good turn bad dlc sequel would be many sonic games in 2010 where beside improve visual or storytelling or worse storytelling were pretty similar even when they tried to do something weird like lost world
When you said DLC sequel I immediately thought of overwatch 2
"DLC sequel" is a funny name for something that's existed before DLC
Watching this post-Spider-Man 2 is so satisfying to me bruu
5:22 my reaction to Ring of Destruction: Slam Masters II
Mega Man mentioned. Liked.
Spark mentioned, video good !!!
So it's not that they are 3 types of video game sequels, it's more than their is 3 gradient of sequel solely decided by how similar it is to the first one.
i’m surprised to not see Persona 3 to Persona 4 mentioned as a DLC sequel
Jak II is a sequel that goes 180 degree and change everything that the first Jak and Daxter is known for. The tone and atmosphere is much more darker and edgier, it takes place in a dystopian future, it has a much more serious story and despite the fact it has the same controls and physics as the first one, Jak II abandoned the collect-A-Thon genre in favour of a third-person GTA style gameplay.
Although this game divided the fanbase (some prefer Jak 1's collect-A-Thon gameplay and atmosphere) the game was a masterpiece. I've never seen another franchise that drastically change the gameplay right after the first one and ends up being successful.
I can't fully agree with this, specially with the names used. DLC is too modern of a term for some of these games, a more correct word would be "expansion" since it better describes the idea behind what you're talking about, also the name "stand alone expansion" is often already used to refer to direct sequels that make little to no modifications to the formula of the previous game in the series instead focusing on just offering more content so there's precedent for using it in favor of DLC. But the most common name is "direct sequel", and I think it represents the iterative nature behind said sequels pretty well.
"Ball-park sequel" is fine I guess, a bit too vague but functional, but "are you even a sequel?" kinda throws practicality out of the window for the sake of being attention grabbing. Why not call them something like "sequels in name only", sounds more descriptive, at least to me. It's also not much of a valid criticism to series that slowly changed over many years and multiple games like Resident Evil, you can get that impression if you jump from RE1 to RE6 but you're quite obviously (and likely intentionally) missing a lot of context there, context given by all the in-between games that changed a lot more gradually. The Bit.Trip series is also a tad questionable as an example since it started as more of an anthology of purposefully very different types of games that told the story of a single character, and later became a more traditional series in response to the success of Bit.Trip Runner. So why not use a much more well known example that most people would agree with like how the first and second Zelda games significantly changed gameplay, and perspective, despite Zelda 2 being a direct sequel story-wise. Also Sonic Unleashed is a much more evident example of drastically modifying a formula when compared to any of the previous 3D Sonic games, by comparison Sonic Heroes was just adding more mechanics on top of a preexisting mold and visually representing it through having three characters on screen.
I get the intentions behind this video but it just feels like you had a foregone conclusion right from the start and then forced a narrative that would fit the categorization you came up with even when this approach to classification had a number of obvious flaws, it's interesting and entertaining, but not accurate enough to hold any water. I do believe that it could be polished into a much more robust argument tho.
Sometimes a game comes out that is a subversive retelling of the original. Could be a ballpark sequel or a "wait you're a sequel" (because now it's a shooter or something).
Like the first game was about an isolated village with a cult that becomes monsters. The next game is also about an isolated village with the same monsters, but the villagers were trying to stop it (and taking the wrong approach).
Three of my favorite examples of good sequels are Sly 2: Band of thieves, Paper Mario the thousand year door and Little big planet 2.
And then theres the drakengard/nier series which is made up of solely "wait you're a sequel"
great lore though 10/10
I mean, melody of memory is technically a spinoff, although I suppose it does have new story content...
There is a fourth example I can think of,which only one series Final fantasy;Anthology sequels.
I don’t consider Sonic Heroes a sequel, it’s more like new game in the main series. But it isn’t a direct or proper sequel to SA2.
Spark mentioned 🗣🗣
In what category does Sonic the Hedgehog 2 enter into? DLC sequel, Ballpark sequel, or in a middle ground?
Sonic CD, I kinda se it as a "DLC sequel" because it felt like a Sonic 1 Expansion Pack
I wonder how this can apply to Prequels also ?!
Doom 2 is imo THE dlc sequel. Simply adding some new enemies and one new gun and becoming the definitive doom game for mods
6:19 not enough change and people are upset
A lot of change and people are upset
Maybe people should just cut the hypocrisy and make up their minds
Super Mario Galaxy 2 is a bad example of a DLC sequel. It adds a ton of new mechanics, and is way too beefy to qualify as a potential DLC-pack.
Honestly I thought the Batman: Arkham games were gonna be mentioned here. Great video though!
Sonic final horizion:did everyone forgot of me :(
For your comment about how Ballparks can add up, Animal Crossing was like that for me. IIRC my first AC was City Folk, New Leaf added enough to keep me engaged, I liked HHD for a bit but I still preferred NL. Then New Horizons came out and was more like a fusion of HHD and New Leaf, and honestly it is my least favourite Animal Crossing by far.
I just wanted an excuse to rant about New Horizons again.
Adds new features/fair story, it's similar but story & refinements, it blows older out of water, when it sigh plays it safe, when overexpecting, or so casualifying/trend suckingly bad. New/old world.
6:03 well it's kinda not sequel because in Japan it's called "Hello! Pac Man"
My favorite sequels are those that don't have the number in it
i'm gonna be honest, i don't get why people refuse to play a game just because they didn't play the older ones yet
i mean i guess video games as a medium can get away with not explaining some things because they expect players to already know them but generally speaking that is considered bad game design anyway
Majora's mask may be a sequel in terms that this is the same hero as in Ocarina of time, and has the same engine, but it definitely has a different approach.
Pokemon is stuck in that first sequel type stuck making the same game with the same different changes
6:00 I think this is a bad example. The main line KH games are- and likely always will be fast paced action games as described. Melody of Memory is a spin-off, and those can do whatever they want. You even touch on spin-offs later in the video. I mean that would be like comparing Final Fantasy Theatherythm to the main series and saying: Oh, I guess they decided to ditch the turn based stuff. You could however say that about something like FF16 which IS a main line game and decided to piss of fans by completely abandoning the J-RPG genre.
Nope. Kingdom Hearts doesn't have spin-off games. Melody of Memory is cannon and extends the lore
@@kylespevak6781 You know tf I mean. It’s not a numbered console release. Recoded wasn’t a fast paced action game either, it experimented with a lot of genres of gameplay. Don’t be difficult.
@@PikaLink91 You're still wrong. Kingdom Hearts isn't just 1, 2 and 3. Chain of Memories and Dream Drop Distance are crucial to understanding the story of 2 and 3. "Not a numbered sequel" doesn't matter, "spin-off" is wrong because it furthers the story, "wasn't a fast paced action game" is true, but some of the entries aren't, like Coded and X
@@PikaLink91 Also, literally the first game in the series featured different genres of gameplay like Bullet-hell and rhythm
@@kylespevak6781 Whatever, he still makes it sound like this is the style they are gonna go with from now on, when we all know MoM is a one time thing, so it doesn’t fit the rest of the video. And yes, my comment about numbered sequels vs non-numbered does matter, because the “mid quels” as some call them, have always done their own thing.
SPARK THE ELECTRIC JESTER MENTIONED‼🗣🗣
missed opportunity to call them DLCquels
Pacman 2 a platformer? XD
Isn’t melody of memory a spin off
No Kingdom Hearts games are spin offs
Where's kiro talks 2
So where would Um Jammer Lammy fall? Is it even a sequel or just a spin off?
Its like a parappa 1 and a half
It's a spin off
@@lamiatorchani7648 I thought so
People call everything a dlc sequel even if it’s not
it's subjective
some people have higher standards for how much reused content they want to see before calling it "DLC"
What about spiritual sequels?
What that?
@@dusty0896 When a game is directly inspired by/takes lessons from a different IP, not being of that IP usually only because of not being developed by the rights holders. Like Stardew Valley being a spiritual sequel to Harvest Moon or Bug Fables: The Everlasting Sapling being a spiritual sequel to the early Paper Mario. They're basically DLC sequels or Ballpark sequels without actually having the same characters. It's hard to define this though since games like this are only considered spiritual sequels if they're actually good - otherwise they're deemed as ripoffs. And even if it is good, it might just be part of the same genre.
I've also seen developers call games "spiritual successors" to other games they've made. Like Insomniac calling Ratchet and Clank a spiritual successor to Spyro. While they are slightly different genres (Spyro=collectathon platformer; Ratchet=action platformer), they share developers, tone, and the platforming and story progress act largely the same.
So TL;DR - either different developers but extremely similar game (and good), or same developers and style of game but different IP.
Tears of the Kingdom is a perfect example of a DLC sequel but Zelda fans have somehow convinced themselves that the game doesn't resemble DLC whatsoever
Please name one DLC with the scope of TotK, introducing entirely new gameplay mechanics while replacing the old ones and replacing every line of dialogue!
A DLC ADDS new content to a game, a sequel REPLACES content from the prior entry with something new.
I didn't know that DLC stuff would include huge mechanics like building all kinds of stuff with a brand new power, or straight up removing some elements and changing how some global elements work.
You'd think that stuff would all be sold for something separate.
The good, the bad, the unnecessary
You forgot the 4 type of sequel
The overwatch 2
A copy of the original but worst in every way possible
Majoras Mask and Portal 2 are not DLC sequels dawg lol
Sequels can do whatever they want as long as they are good. I don't care about it being faithful to older games, franchises aren't a religion.
lol
Botw and totk are a "dlc sequel"?
I would not call them "DLC sequels", rather "Deluxe Version" as in "Same, but better" (TotK). You could argue a lot of them are also "Same, but more" (Vice City) or even "Same, but different" (Majora's Mask).
"Ballpark Sequels" is saying nothing, to me. It's just a new iteration of a franchise. Is NFS Carbon the sequel to Most Wanted ? Story wise yes. But the progression system, the types of races, the interaction with the police, boss battles, ally system, the way the cars handle, the types of cars, so many things are different, it's a whole different game. At what point do you get out of the ballpark ?
Wouldn't that make Mario Kart 8 Deluxe a sequel?
The Mario Kart is an exemple of "Same, but better". Each game plays the same, hence why it's very accessible. Sure each iteration adds a new mechanic (bikes, gliding, anti-gravity), fine tunes handling, re-work tracks, but it is essentially the same game. I would say that 8 is the sequel to 7 yes. But Deluxe is a DLC and a port at the same time. It only adds content that existed previously and doesn't change the way the game is played like the jump from 7 to 8 did. Hence why it's not numbered I'd say. It's still MK 8.
@@tictactoecraft the differents is that Mario Kart 8 Deluxe is a rerelease
(but given the Booster Course Pass now exists i think it's fair to call it a sequel)
@@vidux6289 But if MK8DX is a DLC/port, what the hell is the Booster Course Pass?! A DLC for a DLC? Is the BCP adding new content to MK8 or MK8DX?
Btw, I would argue that not every MK entry plays the same. I don't think the handling of MK8 compares to that of Super Mario Kart or Super Circuit. And Tour is special too because it's being controlled on a touchscreen. You could also argue that the Arcade GP entries play very differently from the rest of the series both in controls and gameplay (long and wide tracks with few and wide turns, hundreds of different items, 2 lap races and so on).
@@Doktario_Mystario I meant by his definition of a sequel (adding more/better content), MK8DX could be easily considered as a sequel, even though it more likely is/was simply a port. It's not easy to determine what MK8DX exactly is, especially now that the BCP exists. It could be a port, a sequel or even a remaster.
So according to you, MK8DX is a port that turned into a sequel because it got enough new content added that it might as well be considered its own entry?
It's pretty obvious you've never played pacman 2, it's a point and click adventure game. I don't blame u tho. It's pretty bad.
Dlc sequel is a terrible name for that
First!
Too many dumb and redundant categories lmao
YO BIT.TRIP RECOGNITION! LOVE TO SEE IT!
What about a reboot