E3D Revo CR for Creality 3D Printers: An In-Depth Look
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- @E3DOnline released the REVO "Rapid Change" 3d printing hot end system in September of 2021. Fast forward 9 months and the 3d printing community has a NEW Creality all metal hotend option with the REVO CR from E3D. Let's install this on a Creality Ender 3 3D Printer and Review it!
This is a bolt-on replacement for the Mk8 Hotends that many Creality machines (and clones) come with. No more conversion mounts to install an E3D V6 (or REVO Six), just bolt on the REVO CR and you are ready to run the "Rapid Change" nozzle system on your 3D Printer.
Disclosure: This hotend was provided by E3D, no money changed hands and they had no input on this video. These are my own thoughts and feelings and E3D has no bearing on them.
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TimeStamps:
0:00 - Intro
1:05 - Revo CR
2:28 - What is "Revo"?
3:32 - Revo in my Prusa
3:52 - Revo in Creality
4:27 - Machine Fits
5:27 - Patron Shout-Outs!
5:56 - Revo CR Install
8:46 - Test Printing
10:37 - FlowRate Testing
11:30 - ASA Printing
12:12 - Pros
13:18 - Neutral - Price
13:44 - Cons
14:54 - Summary
15:27 - Outro
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Sorry I forgot to include this disclosure: E3D provided this hotend free for testing. No money changed hands and they had no say in this video. These are my opinions and mine alone.
Production quality is top notch my friend. The work you did is highly appreciated.
Thank you very much, I try… hard, haha
Ditto!! Great quality work
Hey, thanks for putting this together. I recently purchased an Ender 3 S1 Pro and I was thinking that it would be really nice to have a Revo in there now. I'm glad I washed your video. I no longer have a desire to put a revo in the new printer.
Dude that’s so funny when you open the door. Great video as always. I can’t wait for more!!!!
Thanks Nick. I wasn’t sure if folks would notice all the little details in the intro or appreciate them, glad it wasn’t wasted effort.
I can confirm your thoughts about the nozzle size being another setting for the slicer to tune. With the nozzle changes being that easy, it feels natural to choose the right nozzle for the right job.
You are the jayztwocents of 3d Printing. Great camera work!
Been running the revo now for well over 3 weeks, and I have to say, this is the experience I wanted "out of the box" with a 3d printer. It's safer for newbies too. I can only hope that someday the price point will drop on these and become more affordable.
Great video Alan! 👌 When it comes to price however, it's like comparing a Dacia to a Mercedes-Benz 😜
I mean I compared your V6 nozzle pricing to your Revo nozzle pricing. 😅😜
Clearly I realize there is more work & material in Revo nozzles. I just know for a fact that multiple people who have contacted me about wanting a Revo setup, have been turned off by replacement nozzle prices. They were ready to buy in until they realized how much replacement nozzles would cost over time. So it is a point customers care about.
@@MandicReally that is a valid point. We are working on creating easy payment options for our buyers as we speak/comment. Thank you once again 😊
@@E3DOnline Thank you, pleasure to deal with you. See you folks at ERRF.
I've been running a Revo on my Prusa MK3S for a few months now and it's the first time I've really experimented with different nozzle sizes. I'm absolutely loving the freedom without the daunting task of changing a conventional nozzle. I also run an Ender 3 V2 and this video has convinced me to make the Revo CR upgrade, firstly for nozzle size flexibility but with the added bonus of a full metal hotend to print ASA/ABS/PC etc, which I do often with the Prusa. Thanks for the video, it was entertaining and informative. Also call out to Prusa - it would be great to have some preconfigured profiles in PrusaSlicer that are optimised for Revo on both the Prusa and Enders.
Glad this was helpful and you are liking the Revo as much as I am.
Good idea on the Prusa / Revo profiles. I wanted to put a segment in here about tuning for the different nozzle sizes but I felt it was getting too long already. Maybe I will do a dedicated video about that at some point.
Good info! I just got my Revo CR and will install it to my Ender 3v2 today.
One comment about the nozzle cost; yes, they are expensive, but they come with their own heatbreak. I have been stripping my stock hotend sooo many times, cleaning out plastic that made it up past the break. I’m hoping that will be a thing of the past now…
I just ordered the revo for my Ender 5 plus and I’m planning on creating my own sub harness like you did. However being a bit of a novice I’m not sure which connectors/wires to order for the extension cables (for the heater core side).
Great review! I think I need to do some slicing to see what's possible with other nozzle sizes as I've never looked into it. Then I'll decide whether to take the plunge.
My goto recommendation for learning, play with slicing. PrusaSlicer has profiles for various machines (just Vorons and Prusas I think) with different nozzle sizes. Can just use those and see what the different nozzle sizes do for your prints. Play with settings from there. I don’t love Prusa’s settings for flowrates on larger nozzles but they are a good starting place.
@@MandicReally Awesome, thanks for the advice, I'll have a go!
Production quality 11/10
Thank you very much!
I ordered the cr the day it was released, and have been waiting for it to release since i heard about the revo line of hotends in march.
Hope it works well for you. 👌🏻
I have had the same nozzle for 6 mo that over 45kg of filament no changes they are great
I have just fitted the Revo CR to my ender 5 plus, straight swap not issues, just reset z-offset and it prints superbly with the stock mainboard, my next upgrade is the bigtreetech mainboard and 7inch tft display. I cannot recommend the Revo cr enough, a must buy for any creality ender 5 or 5 plus 👍
I run a SKR 1.4 Turbo board on my Ender 5 Plus. Unlocking proper Dual-Z axis control on that machine is (IMO) essential. Glad to hear you like the Revo on it. I have a Biqu H2 on mine, the new "Biqu H2 Revo" edition is looking mighty promising for my build.
@@MandicReally I have a Biqu h2 v2 that was supposed to go onto my ender 5 plus when I upgraded my mainboard. This will be my first mainboard upgrade and went for the BTT mini e3 v3 to get used to building marlin configs, I also have and octopus v1.1 mainboard which will go into the ender 5 plus when I am more confident with marlin or even take the jump to klipper. I want to keep the 5 plus operating and not stuck offline while I try and understand firmware configs. It would be nice if Biqu offered a revo upgrade kit the existing H2 units just as E3D have done for the hemera.
Great video. I want to print faster on my Klipper Ender 3. What Hot end would you suggest for that?
The best option that will be a direct bolt on is this Revo CR + the new Revo High Flow nozzles. It’s also pretty pricey.
There aren’t great bolt on options that will up flow any substantial amount unfortunately. Easiest thing is just put a Bondtech CHT nozzle in your existing Mk8 hotend. It’s a pretty substantial flow improvement.
That said, cooling will be your issue. The stock part cooling on an Ender 3 is not good. Look into the Hero Me Gen 7 Toolhead setup. That will allow you good cooling options and open a range of hotend / extruder options too.
I have the revo SIX connect to my Creality Ender 3 Max and Octopus Pro 429 board. The Heater core thermistor seems to go out on me after about 1-2 weeks. I had to replace it 2 times so far. I love the ease of Changing the nozzle. I wish the CR version would have come out at the start. The issue might be that my Room temp keeps changing from 20c to 25c at any givin time of day. So maybe that is the reason for the failure. I am going back and trying my E3D V6 with PT1000 sensor to see if that works better.
That’s thoroughly disappointing. I’m hoping that maybe they will come out with a PT1000 equipped heater element. If they deliver higher end nozzles it may be necessary. The Phaetus Rapido can be had with a NT100k or PT1000. I’m a little disappointed the Revo doesn’t have that option.
Can we please have a guide on the neptune machine? I'm considering getting this upgrade but I'm concerned about the process itself. Also, if any written guides exists for this particular machine it'd be greatly appreciated.
How might this work with the new design on the Ender3 Neo V2?
Great Video!
Thank you very much!
My X5SA uses the Mk8 hotend. Might actually use that whole 400x400mm bed if I could easily put on a nozzle that could cover that area in a reasonable amount of time.
Since I did this video there is now the High-Flow Nozzles / 60W heater core for Revo. On that big of a machine the high flow .8/1/1.2mm nozzle would really help you get things done faster.
Just an FYI, the Hero Me Gen 7 has a base that will fit this hotend. I've got mine all printed out and put together but waiting on an 8mm rod to finish the Z belt mod so I haven't been able to actually test this new hotend beyond a PID tune.
Thanks for the update. I informed the creator about the fitment issue after this so glad to hear there is a base for it now. 👌🏻
Have a question on this, went to do a PID auto tune using pronterface as it is still running marlin firmware. Ran the M303 E0 S220 code and the hotend heats to like 276°c do you have any idea what else I can try?
my cr-10s pro v2 hot end sits about 5 millimeters lower than the E3D Revo CR, so need to modify the height of the bl-touch, the fan housing and the part cooling to make it work... not fun
The thing that really appeals to me about the REVO is the nozzle, throat, and heat break all being a single unit. I've owned an Ender-5 for about a year, and twice in that time I've had globs-of-doom caused by the nozzle and the heat break not being properly butted together.
I haven't pulled the trigger yet, though - and one of the reasons for that is I have a MicroSwiss direct drive setup on my Ender-5. I haven't yet been able to figure out if the Revo CR would fit in that setup or not. Any information you have would be most welcome!
(The other reason is that I have an X1C and that printer is *so* much easier to use, I'm really not sure it's worth sinking another 100$ into the Ender-5.)
The Revo CR should fit in place of your MicroSwiss hotend without issue. The microswiss is designed to be a direct MK8 replacement, as is the Revo CR.
Is it worth it since you own a X1C? I can’t say for you. For me? I’m putting a Revo on my Ender 5 Plus soon. It is so much easier to change nozzle sizes versus the X1 and I want to change sizes frequently for different projects.
@@MandicReally Thanks for that!
Yeah, the "is it worth it" question really boils down to "am I going to keep using the Ender-5 for anything at all?" I'm not a high volume printor, and find that even the X1 often has days when it's sitting idle as I work on the CAD for my next project. But that's my situation to resolve. :)
Hi thanks for the great review I have an ender 3d v2 neo and just bought the same upgrade kit, seems to my my bracket for the bed lvl senser is not ok, it is standing to low against the bed. So my nozzle cannot touch the bed with this nozzle,, is there any fix already. contacted support waiting on feedback.
Did you adjust the Z-Offset for the new hotend? Or does the CR-Touch hang physically lower than the nozzle? I haven't worked with a Neo so I don't have firsthand experience with its design but didn't think it was that different.
I have so much to learn. Omg. I jumped into to my flashforge adv 3 pro. Now I'm really not sure if it's the right choice
Flashforges can be ok machines, their weakest point is you can’t really “upgrade” or fine tune them like you can other machines. So once you outgrow it, you’ve outgrown it. Hope it works well for you anyway.
@@MandicReally I chose it because it seemikenit was so easy to use for a novice. Is there a better chose in the 300-500 price range.
How do I figure which one to order for my Ender 3 Pro, can't remember if it's 12v or 24v, but I'm liking this.
Ender 3s are all 24v.
@@MandicReally ahh...gotcha thanks
I am surprised How easy of a time you had printing with it. I have primarily been printing in PLA But it just turns into clogging hell over and over again on the revo.
My setup is the hero Me 6 with Dual 4015 on ender 3
Do you perhaps offer Your slicer profiles or would you make some content on How you optimize Your slicer profiles
I don’t offer slicer profiles, every machine is different and I don’t think folks should share profiles.
What are you running for retractions? That’s one thing I’ve found (in general, not Revo specifically) to be a clog causer. A lot of folks chase stringing by tuning retractions too far I find. It results in filament going too high into the heatbreak and clogging.
@@MandicReally I have kept my original retraction distance of 5mm and a retract/unretract speed of 25 mm/s which i was used to run on my stock Creality hotend. I blamed retraction to be the cause of my issue as well, but when i tried doing prints without retraction disabled i still ended up with clogs.
I did have a few succesful PLA prints in the beginning with matt PLA (after struggling with layer adhesion issues). Currently i have been trying eagerly with some silky/shiny filament. Do you experience shiny filaments being worse regarding clogging in all metal hotends?
Any help you provide is greatly appreciated!!
@@Jacopopsen shiny filaments usually have lower temps they prefer, in my experience anyway. 5mm of retraction is quite a lot for an all metal hotend. The stock hotend is more forgiving of that as the Teflon tube acts as a bit of an insulator and doesn't rapidly cool off molten filament when it is drawn back into the tube. All metal ones will sink away the heat quicker and allow that molten filament to solidify in weird ways that can lead to clogs. I don't have a single machine that I run over 3mm of retraction on.
That said I cannot speak to why you'd still be getting clogs with no retraction at all. What brand of filament are you running? Have you check it for consistent diameter? Cheaper brands often have more relaxed tolerance allowances that lead to issues.
Lastly, what temperatures are you running? As I stated in this video I've found the Revo CR can run a bit cooler temperatures than the stock Creality Mk8 due to its overall design. You may be running into heat creep issues if your temps are just too high for the heatbreak to effectively stop it.
@@MandicReally The brand of the filament is a non specific one, because it was purchased as a larger b-stock which as you mentions happens to have a worse tolerance. I measured the filament a few different spots and i got measurements +- 0.05, might have to just decide that filament doesn't run nicely with the machine (Luckily i got a few others that accept it fine).
Regarding temperature i was used to running 210c, but i also tried running temperature towers on it in the hope of discovering a new better temp. But a combination of bad retractions settings and temperature might have led to that test being worthless, so i should probably try to redo that without retractions or at least a lower value.
Once again thanks a lot for the assistance, you provide a very good explanation that makes the point come across nicely!
I ended up getting it all to run smoothly after you made it clear for me that my settings was very off. I have now decreased both temperature and retraction distance and it now just seems to print great also with the very loose tolerance b-stock filament. I am very thankful for you taking your time to give a good explanation of things as well as sharing your knowledge!
any news on the hi temperature version of the revo coming out? or abrasive resistant nozzles?
I've been given no details about the High-Flow variant of the Revo setup (thank I am anxiously awaiting), but I do have an ObXidian (abrasive resistant) nozzle in hand. They sent me a .4mm nozzle to play with, but I'm not at liberty to share much more than that at the moment.
They did make a detailed blog post last week with details about the development process and stated Late-October is the final release goal: e3d-online.com/blogs/news/obxidian-update
Abrasion resistant ones are coming soon, high temp (>300c) no news about that, but that would require rather intense changes like a thermocouple, copper instead of brass for nozzles and heater, heater with removable sock (don't know how its currently). My guess is it isn't a priority at the moment. For 300c and more look at phaetus lineup, every hotend except the rapido is capable of 350 to 500 degrees, here again the rapido pt1000 version is limited to 350
Do you have any videos about changing the flow setting I currently run 100% flow my speed is around 30-40 mms all stock. Do I need to adjust flow for speed haven’t got any good info on that yet
I do Flowrate tuning in Slicer, not on the machine. It is much easier to dial in with the slicer as different parts will likely want different flow rates. If you up "Flow" in the printer menu, everything flows more. Walls, Infill, everything. In the Slicer you can adjust extrusion rates dependent on what is printing. I'll try and figure out a good way to demo this in a video. It is a little more advanced than I intended in a "Basic Setup" video.
@@MandicReally thank you sure can you show what setting to work with in the slicer I use cura and prusa slicer but don’t use prusa slicer that mush as I can’t find all the same settings as cura, and not sure how to adjust flow on the printer is the print speed?
I'm personally thinking about picking one up. Debating between the cr and hermera. Haven't decided if I want direct drive or not.
I want to put a Hemera XS on my Anycubic Max, but I don’t know about the weight on an Ender 3. It’s not the lightest direct drive setup. I’m very happy with this LDO Orbiter / Revo CR setup I’m running now. The Hemera XS is 257g. LDO Orbiter + Revo CR is 165g. Or the Bondtech LGX Lite is quite nice too. It’s a little heavier at 160g alone but I’ve been VERY happy with that on my Voron.
@@MandicReally ill definitely look into that. I'm assuming you did a video with the orbiter
@@johnmarro5352 I did on TikTok but I haven't on here. I really should. Maybe I'll get the Hemera in and just do an overview of the Hemera, Orbiter, Biqu H2, & Bondtech LGX lite side by side.
@@MandicReally i would definitely watch that! I did see some of the live when you were putting that on. I actually remember asking you, if you needed dual z for the weight. But as I get easily distracted. i don't remember much of it and haven't found it while scrolling through million videos lol
This hot end only work with Bowden extruders? I have an s1, man I love to just come see you studio
This only works with a traditional style of hotend, so no the S1 wouldn't be able to make use of it. For a setup like that you'd have to switch to a configuration like my Direct Drive I have in this video, or something like the E3D Hemera which arguably the Sprite Extruder is kind of a knock-off of (concept anyway).
@@MandicReally thanks ill look into that
I can't seem to find the information anywhere, and I know you said no change to the firmware is necessary, but can you start printing at 300° out of the box or do you have to make a change for that?
No, the hotend is capable of going that high without issue, but your machine firmware will almost certainly need limits raised. Default limits on Creality machines are usually closed to 260c and 100-105c on the bed.
@MandicReally Thanks for the reply! Who is a good source on learning to make this change? Or do you have a video on it?
@@johnmarro5352 Teaching Tech on here has a fair few videos about Firmware compiling and changing settings. Not sure there is one specifically about that but the principles are what matters.
Will this work on the Creality CR-M4? Just curious.
No, the CR-M4 uses one of the multiple versions of “sprite extruder” Hotends. Creality has gone a bad way and keeps changing things on every new machine, so aftermarket parts are going to be harder and harder as time goes on.
E3D does have a “Sprite Revo” setup, but unfortunately it isn’t compatible with the CR-M4 either as Creality made the M4 different than other machines that use the Sprite extruder. I don’t have a machine to test but as far as I know, there isn’t any way to adapt a Revo to it currently.
@@MandicReally thank you so much for answering my question.
The view outside your front door is honestly killer if it's real lol.. mighta been clever editing but idk
It was stock video footage, ha. I don't show the outside of my house on video, I WISH it looked that nice, ha.
@@MandicReally lol brilliant
It is compatible with Ender 3 S1 Pro? Thank
No, the S1 Pro uses a totally different setup with the Direct Drive Sprite Extruder. BUT E3D has a solution for that machine: e3d-online.com/products/creality-sprite-revo-upgrade-kits?variant=41543720599611
Great video! Don’t get me wrong but I’m disappointed with the brass construction. I’m just not seeing enough benefit over an MK8 all metal hot end.
As someone who rarely prints abrasives, I don’t really see an issue. Though for the price… I’m concerned how expensive the hardened nozzles will be.
Hello will this work with the CR6?
Won't fit. The CR6 (like some new Creality machines) uses various different parts, hotend included. That's the problem with machines like that. When companies change some random parts on their machines, aftermarket companies cannot justify making direct replacements. How many people have CR6? Idk but it is an order of magnitude less folks than the Ender 3 or CR-10.
It looks like you could install the Revo Six with a E3D V6 conversion mount, but that wouldn't have the proper Thermistor for the stock firmware.
Does it work on Anycubic vyper
No. The Vyper uses an E3D V5 Volcano clone. Very differently application.
@MandicReally I really wanted to buy this hot end and came across this video because ED3 totally just blew me off. I have a CR10 Max so not directly supported by ED3 but should be compatible. The short version of a mornings worth of emails is below.
I asked if extensions are available and the length, I was told extensions are machine specific with no information on length or connections
I said ok can you give me the specs for Molex connector and the wire awg/mm^2 so I can make my own loom.
Their final answer:
"I regret that we are unable to provide the level of specification you have requested.
The Revo CR is supplied with butt splice connectors to alleviate the need for custom wiring, this method and parts have been chosen to accommodate the intended machines the hotend was developed for."
If they design and make these things, the information really isnt a big ask and should be readily available on their purchasing system.
MandicReally, could you tell me what the length was on those extensions and was one end the molex plug that mates with the recepticle on the revo cables?
Cheers, great video.
As I modified and cable managed my machine with it in there, I'm sorry to say I just don't have a good answer for you. IT really does bother me when companies don't provide requested specs. I fully understand they cannot tell you the spec you need for your specific machine, but the lengths and all of that information on what they are selling shouldn't be difficult to provide.
Sorry to hear that has been your experience.
@@MandicReally thanks for replying, not sure I understood it though.
Did you use the provided extension cables? In which case the one end should have connected with the revo molex?
Or did you make your own loom in which case you would of had to choose cable sizes?
I can appreciate you probably didn't measure the extension lengths.
I think it's terrible service from ed3 and agree they should easily be able to provide the specs on what they are selling.
The hot end is the load so the cable size and connectors they have chosen are specific to their device and make no difference to my machine. Creality use the same ntc thermistor across their range so that should work. The only thing I need to figure out is the footprint which I already wasted an evening doing.
@@RoadRashSpirit sorry missed what you were asking for. I used the provided extension cable, which had the molex connector to go to the Revo on it. On the other end I cut the connector off and crimped on a JST-XH connector. I installed it on an Ender 3 so no addition wiring was required. If I had to guess I’d say they test fitted with an Ender 3 and only an Ender 3 as the cables were JUST long enough from my recollection.
Hope that helps, I’m sorry I don’t have any further info on wire gauge size or lengths. Let me know if there is something more I can provide and I’ll see what I can do.
@@MandicReally thanks so much, knowing that the extension cable has the proper molex is half the battle, I will ask them again 2moro fo the lengths of their extension cable, hopefully I get a different representative. I might be lucky and find there is a connector on the end of my x axis if its a bit short.
Really appreciate you taking the time to reply.
What about the CR6 SE?
That doesn’t use the Mk8 hotend and sadly would require some adapter setup to use the Revo CR. I really dislike that Creality has been mixing things up on newer machines like that.
@@MandicReally the machine is greate. I love mine and it is my work horse with hundreds of hours, but they did make my life difficult with the unique hotend heatsink and the load cell. Honestly the favt that I can't just put a Sprite and CR touch on it as a pain.
They are nice but the price is just too expensive. $25 nozzles? Nah. Ill stick with the V6 and get a pack of them for $5
Understandable issue. I don’t go through nozzles quickly, but I use materials I trust and rarely get clogs on quality nozzles. I find the cheap ones are the only ones I go through quickly, and I suspect it’s machining quality issues.
These print head clog uo
I've had zero clogs on any Revo nozzle to this point. Are you running one and having issue?
@@MandicReally yea I guess my setting is off
@@petermuniz9296 How much retraction are you running? I find that to be a really common cause of issue for various hotends.
@@MandicReally I really don’t know I stop 3D printing after covid