E3D Revo practical review: Fast coreXY 3D printing?
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- E3D produced the industry standard V6 and Volcano hot ends, often cloned in cheaper 3D printers. Now they aim to take a step forward in convenience and usability. Is this at the expense of performance? In this video, I test the Revo system on a high performance coreXY 3D printer: the SecKit SK-Tank.
This product was provided free of charge by E3D for the purposes of review, in accordance with my review policy. All opinions expressed are my own.
Purchase the E3D Revo: e3d-online.com/collections/re...
0:00 Introduction
Tom Sanladerer’s review: • E3D’s Rapidchange Revo...
CNC Kitchen’s review: • E3D Revo™ is great BUT...
0:58 Specs, prices and inspection
E3D Revo landing page: e3d-online.com/pages/revo/
Revo nozzle features blog post: e3d-online.com/blogs/news/rev...
Revo HeaterCore blog post: e3d-online.com/blogs/news/rev...
Revo Voron blog post: e3d-online.com/blogs/news/e3d...
Capricorn Tubes PTFE safety article: www.captubes.com/safety.html
My review policy: teachingtechyt.github.io/revi...
Revo nozzle holder: www.prusaprinters.org/prints/...
5:07 Installation on SK-Tank
SK-Tank playlist: • SecKit SK-Tank build
SK-Tank CF BMG Dual 5015s Mount by declinox: www.thingiverse.com/thing:518...
My remixed ducts to suit the Revo: www.thingiverse.com/thing:534...
7:01 Firmware and calibration
PID autotune for Marlin: teachingtechyt.github.io/cali...
First layer/Z offset for Marlin: teachingtechyt.github.io/cali...
Retraction calibration print: teachingtechyt.github.io/cali...
8:04 First fast prints and slicer profile troubleshooting
10:10 0.4mm nozzle test project printing fast
Fab365 AT-AT: fab365.net/items/229
11:08 Smaller 0.25 mm nozzle tests
Weretiger: www.myminifactory.com/object/...
X3D marble PLA: x3d.com.au/products/marble-stone
12:08 Larger 0.6 mm nozzle test
Speed calibration print: teachingtechyt.github.io/cali...
13:16 Summary
14:07 Sanjay’s legacy
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Thanks for mentioning Sanjay. Haven't seen him in 2 years due to MRRF being cancelled. He always "ran in the same circles", as I did and was always a blast to talk to. He was incredibly passionate and I'm glad some of you guys (Tom, You, and others) are mentioning his passing in your videos. Most people don't even know his name, and it's a shame because they revolutionized hot ends with the v5 years and years ago.
I had massive disappointments changing the stock nozzle in my prusa mk3s+. Too much effort every time I wanted to swap nozzles. I ended up buying this and I love it. Easy, simple, just works.
Still happy? :)
Good that you found the odd speed on that layer, but in the future you can also use the volumetric flow settings under filament. This is handy since you can set speeds for what works well with the motion system and then just set that cap under the filament. Using that setting is also useful for flexibles so you don't have to completely rewrite a new main profile.
Thank you for answering the question no one else will.
Great video as always 👍😀
Thanks for sharing your experience with all of us 👍😀
I just upgraded to Revo on both my MK3 and Mini and so far I am very impressed and noticed very little to no stringing.
This year I bought my first FDM printer (TwoTrees Sapphire Plus V1.1) and the Revo Hemera and Revo Mini on the same day. The Revos showed up just as I was getting sick of tweaking the stock hotend, dealing with leaks, etc. The Revo Mini was a drop replacement. I continued to use the bowden system for a few weeks while I researched and tweaked my Hemera mount, part cooling, and BLTouch holder. I really like the direct drive and can't wait to start printing this TPU I've yet to open. Currently I designing a mount to let me have the Revo Mini along side the Hemera as a secondary bowden extruder for printing dissolvable support. I love this new Revo system. Watching Sanjay's many interviews is what made me decide to finally buy my own printer after having used them at Maker Spaces for almost a decade. ☮❤🌈🧘🏽🕉☸☯
Geezuz this is a bloody game changer......think i need to fit a hemura to the ender 5 now.
Thanks for the video mate.
This is awesome! Always wanted some testing like this before I took the jump and placed my order.
Because of the position of the thermistor (outside of heater core, as opposed to between heater and nozzle), the temperatures read a little hotter than the equivalent value you would get with a v6. CNCKITCHEN mentioned this in his recent video on the Revo. So it's not unusual to have to set your extruder temperature about 3C higher.
Well, there's gotchas with the other design- as it's not reading any more accurately... ;)
The best 3d tech channel on youtube ! Thanks ;)
I can't wait for these to reach market saturation, and come down in price. Looks amazing
The nozzles "might" come down, the hotend will not. It's right in line if not on the cheaper end of good hotends already.
I'm currently upgrading Tevo Tornado with the Revo system. I have a Hemera already attached and will be upgrading that. I'm looking forward to being able to print large things in vase mode with the .8mm nozzle.
I like the quick change nozzle setup on my FFA3 so when I recently purchased a Voxelab Aquila I wanted this feature, so I have a Revo V6 fast change setup to fit, just waiting for the mount to arrive in the mail.
Haha you freaked me out by highlighting my post! Man we will miss you Sanjay!
Thanks for the hands-on review (revo-iew?), and thank you for drawing my attention to that 150% internal bridging. I'd really love to have a fast nozzle change hotend, but the flow rate of the Revo just isn't enough for the printers I'd want to put it on (Rat Rig V-Minion and Voron v0.1). It would be awesome on my Craftbot Flow IDEX, but that's a closed system, so it's not an option.
I hope we hear news on the teased high flow version soon. I thought Clare said we would hear something in March, but that didn't happen.
Long term, I'd want a Revo high-flow + ObXidian. That would be my dream hotend.
Looks like I found my new hot end! Have a tronxy and converting it to linear rails so might as well up grade to direct drive extruder. It's Boden tube is ok after setting it at 45° to the print bed but still don't think it could handle ninja flex as it's SOOO flimsy.
I have a problem with the thermistor on mine after about 3 weeks of use. It under reports temps and the hotend gets super hot. I've ordered a replacement core, springs, and socks. Print quality was excellent (prior to the issue) and setup super easy. Really like the microfit connectors for both thermistor and heating element. Makes swapping and tinkering much simpler.
Really interesting that you found the Z offset reminded spot on after swapping the nozzle. That was my only big question with the revo, if you still needed to tweak this each time whilst obviously still being easier/quicker the time gained wouldn't have justified the upgrade. The idea of swapping from a 0.4 to 0.8 without messing around has me seriously wanting one now, thanks.
Don't have to tweak z offset on any other rigid mountes heater block either.
you really should still check the first time. I had a 0.25 with a bad thread and it made a mess of my print surface. E3d replaced next day so can't fault them and I should have checked the z offset.
@@leesmithsworkshop Thats some nice customer service. New product issues are going to happen, but a no fuss return is incredible on their part.
I bought a Revo6 set, and for me, the 4 nozzles had slight length differences, and correspondingly, slightly different Z offsets. My .4 and .6 nozzles are the same length, and my .25 and .8 nozzles are almost the same. The difference between the two groups is 0.2mm, which is definitely significant enough to warrant a separate profile on my Prusa. Now on the E3D's specs PDF for the Revo nozzles, they do say 41.1mm+/-.2mm, so my experience is still within their specs. Anyway, despite this, I still think this is a huge improvement on the previous nozzle change experience. Despite owning a bunch of different sized nozzles for my v6, I never switched because of the huge pain in the ass of the whole process, and of potentially breaking the heater cartridge wiring, and having to re-hot tighten, and having to re-level, etc etc... With the Revo6, I actually choose the nozzle size for the print in question, an amazing new experience.
The thermistor is a Semitec 104NT, note the NT not GT suffix. Some firmware does handle these differently.
Morning, just watching to fill in time.
This hotend. The "Revo Six" - and the Bontech CHT nozzle... would be a perfect match. So I'm hoping to see Bondtech make a Revo Six edition of their CHT nozzle, which has already boosted my melting performance from a sorry 7 mm3/s to more than 20 mm3/s, without me having done anything other than just changing from a standard V6 nozzle to the CHT.
My Revo has been working nice.
Revo CR (for Creality printers) is coming as well.
Now I want one to put in my Monoprice MiniDelta.
14:55 your vampire family in Europe likes you so much. Great Video
i'm eagerly waiting for the creality compatible version, once that comes out I will be seriously considering getting one or two for either my CR10 or Ender 3 V2.I'd love to be able to flip between small nozzles for models and larger nozzles for massive projects, which is usually reserved for my CR that has had a 0.8mm nozzle on it for months now
There are metal mounting brackets to get a v6 hotend onto a cr10 or ender style mount. wouldnt that be sufficient?
@@redwraith6576 I’d rather not lose any Y distance, maybe if there’s something out there that offers that then I might be willing to try!
At 3D Meetup Sweden E3D showed a Revo version for the Ender 3, I think it Will be released in May.
@@nsihvo My birthday present to myself will be this! Thanks!
@@connorbennett5932 I have a revo micro on my ender 3 using e3d's mount found on in the installation instructions and I didn't lose any Y volume.
The bed on the ender 3 can over travel a little, and the e3d mount only shifts the nozzle 4.75mm forward which was well within the range of the y axis. You can account for this offset physically by moving the limit switch, or set it in your slicer of choice (in Cura it is under the extruder settings of the machine). Personally I went with setting the offset in marlin, you already have to compile new firmware so adding the offset there made it where the machine correctly homes and everything is centered with no volume loss.
If you aren't comfortable with custom firmware or setting offsets the creality revo will be perfect since it uses the same thermistor settings as a normal creality hot end so no firmware changes will be needed along with the mount physically being in the right spot.
Would you cover advice on how to improve bridging?
8 months ago. Heh...while this is...late...hit the mark is the take here.
My current observations are as yours were. It's worth noting that for many, the value proposition is being able to quickly, reliably and EASILY swap nozzles on this system. People keep going on and on about E3D clone costs...well, you still have fiddly crap that you highlighted in the video...that you still have to do. Once the Obxidian and the high-flow nozzles come out, we're going to see the value proposition get even better. Esp. if you don't need to change out the hot-end for the basic systems. Right now I've a project that is running mostly in stealth mode, but leverages the Micro. Since I was buying that, I thought I'd get the CR for my Ender 3 v2 I'm using to make the parts for the other with. Nice improvements on print for me at least. And now I can swap out size easily to do things like you talk to. $80-90 for that much? Cleaner prints and easy nozzle swap? Yeah. Sign me up. Now I'm looking forward to what I can do with my project with it.
Bumped that 999 likes to 1k, loved the tip reviewing layers to find the wonky parameter speed.
Can you make a video on how to configure slicer for all the Revo nozzle sizes? Most slicers with a pre-configured profile do not include settings for nozzle sizes other than 0.4mm, with occasional support for 0.6 nozzles. Manual intervention seems to be required for slicer settings with 0.25 and 0.8 nozzles but most users may not know line width and layer height slicer settings to use with those nozzles.
Wow tge interchangeable nozzles are a game changer, is there any slop?
Any chance of getting a link to that amazing Millennium Falcon model?
Try the haldis k1 hf. Would be interesting to see how it compares to the Revo. Seems to be superior on paper.
I have them in both my Hemera and I do have to change the Z offset for each nozzle, only a very small amount so not a big deal and I also found the change was repeatable each time I swapped. It would be nice if marlin had an option for more than one z offset like the prusa mk3 does. I have printed with all of the nozzles and only had trouble with the 0.8 because I didn't have time to tune a slower profile yet.
@@WhiteG60 good idea. I have started organising files by nozzle size so I could do that
Add a nozzle based endstop like on Voron? Means that it will figure out the real z every print.
@@justindelpero not sure how I would do that with the Hemera ?
@@leesmithsworkshop it's just a fixed endstop that the nozzle presses. The difference is that the distance between the top of the bed and the endstop are always the same so changing nozzles doesn't impact z offset. It's pretty cool.
I just checked my SuperSlicer settings and found my internal bridge infill was also set at 150%. It looks like that is the default.
Are there any news on hardened steel nozzles? I kinda want to be able to print with abrasive filaments...
Michael it will hit the mark when it becomes available for more printers.. I haven't heard anything or get a response when will revo be available for creality 6 se users. I am sure there are many other 3d printer users in the same boat
🔥💕👍
Volumetric Flow Rates based on ~12:37 in the video and using 0.6N / 0.4H / 0.72W using super slicer to check.
80mms = ~ 20mm3/s
60mms = ~ 15mm3/s
60mms = ~ 10mm3/s
Looks like it maxes out at about 15mm3/s on the 0.6
in line with what the old v6 was capable of
Michael, are you going to the F1 GP this weekend? I see that you have the Danny Ric shirt.
Is there a mount for the rat rig vcore for three revo lite
Great review! This will take a bit of getting used to for someone like me who changes nozzles before each big project just because they are so cheap and brass wears out. i wonder how long these will last compared to a standard $0.50 nozzle. Will be very interested in the hardened ones as they should last a lot longer. Price is always a concern but if they actually last a good long time then I could see it being a worthwhile investment just for convenience of changing nozzle sizes. I do hope the actual nozzles come down in price as $15+ can hurt if they wear out as quickly as standard brass.
There is no need to change your nozzle that often unless you are using abrasive filament.
@@jaro6985 Sorry for late response but I have actually measured nozzle openings and even with PLA it does wear it down (glow in the dark and other abrasives can change the size even when using 1/4 of a roll!). Sure it is really slow for PLA (I can notice a size increase if printing almost 24/7 in around 2-3 weeks. It would not effect things most people print) but I would rather err on the side of caution and since they are so cheap, it's no big deal.
@@StumblingBumblingIdiothey man, just a small comment that nozzle wear pattern is not seen as a widening hole but rather as the tip getting worn down from dragging over the prints. It has to be quite worn down to start widening the hole, as this happens when you hit the conical section transitioning from the 1.75mm hole to the 0.4mm one.
You may want to recheck your measurements and the technique used to measure the hole itself, i can't be sure but I have a feeling something's off there.
Can the Revo be easily adapted to most 3D printers? I realize that "easily" is a relative term, so I'll define it as "easily adapted" meaning without a lot of modification to the 3D printer.
I love my Revo Micro, I run it on my Voron 2.4 and compared to the Dragon it's quite better other than it not being solid mount for now until Revo Voron Heatsink Drops. Will you do a review on the hardened nozzles when they come out as well as the other mounts :) it'd be a good excuse to build a Voron.
Revo voron is not far. Hopefully
right I need 2 heatsinks haha 😄 one for my 2.4 and another for 0.1
Lol same
Revo Voron is coming very soon! Maybe even as early as next week ;)
@@E3DOnline got notification mine shipped 🙏🙃
When i want to print 200mm/s which settings to change?
In slicer? Which one? Perimeter? Or i just change the feedrate on printer screen?
Change the power outlet voltage to 600v. Should get faster....
4:32 it's a hink of metal most of which can be done on a lathe, it's quite expensive for what it is.
It's all about control
What actually is the benefit of this easy replacement or also higher printing speeds?
I upgraded my ender 3 v2 to a revo. I broke a heatbreak on the original v6. £32 for just a heatbreak... £70 for a while new hotend was a better deal for me!
Will this hotend work on an anycubechiron?
Isn't it easier just say: 20 mm3/s is normal volumetric speed for Revo 0.4+? No match for volcano though.
Precisely. A CHT on a high flow dragon, mosquito or whatever, and you're good for 30+.
So..... What was the max flow rate.
So what was the volumetric flow limit? I read somewhere it was only 10mm³/s. That's less than my standard Microswiss. Why in the world do so many hotend reviews omit this info? Is literally the most important for high-speed printing.
The only disadvantage of revo so far is that it doesn't have any abrasive resistant nozzles, I dont print regularly with abraisives but I much prefer having a hardened nozzle just incase i want to print some glow int he dark fiolament or wood filled filament without having to swap out my nozzles
If you are doing a few one off abrasive prints, you aren't going to destroy your nozzle in a day. When I first started with 3d printing, even though I had a hardened nozzle, laziness of having to relevel everything made me just leave the brass .4 nozzle on there, and I printed spools and spools of wood filled filament. There was never any issues, until some years later, one time while declogging the nozzle I realized a .55mm drill bit was able to fit into my .4mm nozzle. Haha, that's when I finally took it off to have a look at it. Yup, all the years of printing wood filament did take their toll. It made a .6mm nozzle out of my original .4! Anyway, knowing this, starting from a fresh .4mm brass nozzle, I ran through some Protopasta CF HTPLA for a few prints, and then I checked the nozzle under a microscope and as far as I could tell, there had been no change. Obviously if I ran it for months, I am sure it'd worn it out, but if it is just a one off, it'll be fine.
Why did everyone talk about mm/s when talking about extruders when they is highly dependent on layer height and width. Volumetric flow numbers would be way more valuable to mention
I'm not exactly happy that the feedrate is so limited
I've just put the micro into a voron 2.4.... quality is awesome
Seems too expensive for the minor convenience of not having to do hot tightening, in exchange for a reduced modularity in throats and nozzles.
having the high price you could buy multiple printers and never swap nozzles. flow still too low, even on the highflow variant
Hope they stick a pt100 in it, though from dealing with support it seems like the company has changed.
Unless you have a need to frequently swith nozzles, then I do not see the advantage. The price point is a very close second. I see no advantage to upgrade if the performance is on par with existing hardware, not to mention the firmware changes that for a novice are cryptic and a huge hassle.
The cost is the biggest turn off - So bang for the buck I'll stick with what works for the moment.
Way less than a Slice Engineering setup, that's for sure.
It's a good hotend. I own I. But damn do I hate paying 20 to 50 dollars for a nozzle. But I'm ready to pay that 50 bucks so I can stop buying nozzles.
The ankermake m5 is pretty fast too
Revo voron is not a series its "lookatthisisredyouneverseeitagainafterassebly". Not cheap, you will not get more quality, performance and reliability for that money. For nozzle changing its good to use volumetric speed so it dont matter what nozzle you has. I have hemera revo and i like it.
Revo Voron never made any of those claims though, lol, it's strictly for a four M3 screw rigid mount.
@@urufushinjiro yeah but its red and you never see it after assembly
@@TommiHonkonen um, ok....
The price is a huge NO NO NO for me. Improving something is always great it should not get this expensive for a part that has to be swapped on a regular basis
4 nozzles for $80 vs 30 classic nozzles for $11. No thanks they can keep them. The amount of time saved by switching nozzles is almost nothing unless you go so big that it prints ugly and so I never change my nozzle size. They fixed a problem that doesn't exist.
For me the cost of the revo hot end and nozzles is almost negligible and I pick the right nozzle for every design and print,, just goes to show how diverse the 3D printing community is.
Over priced and ties you in to buying theres consumables
2:23
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temperature_coefficient#Positive_temperature_coefficient_of_resistance
the positive temperature coefficient is safer because it requires MORE power as temperature rises to continue heating. this is good because a negative temperature coefficient would be prone to runaway.
I'm new to printing, and I have a file that's to big for my printer. How do I break up the object to fit my printer? Can you help me or do a video on it?