might relate to our original days as a species, back when males would rip each other's throats out for mates, the stronger your bite force, the easier it is to do that.
@@GastropodGaming2006 Did guys really do that though? "ARRRRR you can't have whamen. Whamen mine Steve. Pay with your blood" *bites throat* "that's kinda hot bro ngl 😏no homo though😒 but don't stop though 😏" I'm just also not sure if guys even cared when someone alse was having sex with a woman. I feel like maybe everyone was just fine with everyone mating with everyone. I mean that was before different religions emerged and told everyone monogamy is the way to go.
Beauty standard is bul sh. People have different jaw lines and looks, it has nothing to do with feminine or masculine characters. Its not like women MUST look smooth, men MUST look square. Stop beauty standard.
It's crazy how a recessed face shape is universally considered less attractive. It shows how beauty isn't solely subjective, but can be explained rationally
More like it would be crazy if it wasn't. Attractiveness is inextricably linked with genetic/physical health. It would be crazy if something as important to the long term survival of a species as sexual selection was effectively random.
@@michaelsteffensen6844 Makes sense, but I wonder what about the features/proportions that are universally considered attractive that have nothing to do with genetic health?
Looks like every last one of you are fans of this channel because you’ve bought the image that marketing is selling with their fake, altered, retouched, altered images of reality. It’s funny because you will peruse the freak image until you achieve it and then wonder why you are still a miserable feeling human. Who now looks like a freak.
As an asian female with strong jawline Ive always hated it and fantasised having the Korean jaw shaving procedure. Now in my 40s and living in the UK Ive held up pretty well and the good ol strong jaw is doing a lot of heavy lifting still with no sagging or jowls. Bemused at the recent UK trend of putting fillers in female jaws to get it more defined! 😆..oh and I also found out that korean jaw shaving results in premature sagging, something not often mentioned.
Honestly talking korean beauty standards are shit and make no sense it's like they try hard to be so quirky and different from others but yo each to their own, their culture so..we should stop caring about these beauty standards in general and feel loved by ourselves first.
@@rossanascarati2720 exactly that's what I am saying. Literally every beauty standard makes no sense at all i mean like why do we have to agree to something that says you have to look a certain way to be deemed attractive in unison? What makes us special then?
it would have been interesting if you had also discussed how ramus length impacts facial aesthetics from the frontal view. for example I am a girl with a semi-long ramous and defined gonial angle that looks good on side profile view, but from the front I look square and wish I was more v-line. it makes it harder for your face to look slim from the front unless you are at super low body fat because you just lack that v shape anatomically. or conversely a girl who is very v line and pretty front the frontal angle might look weaker on the side profile. just my two thoughts.
Yup. Usually a sharp jawline is accompanied with a wider face from the frontal view. The only person i can think of who has a great jawline yet slim (frontal-view) face is Alycia Debnam Carey
@@yungtaoshiwan4144 no true. ive had chin filler before to make my chin longer in the hopes that it would make my jawline more v line and it looked awful because my chin length was already fine and the filler made the distance from my mouth to my chin too long - so yeah for me its about the ramus length and jaw angle not length of chin
I also want to say thank you for this video. I have never been pleased with my jawline and now I know why. I have a lot of flesh on my neck and chin in the place where there should be shadow. My neck is just built like that, so I have to learn to be happy with the cute image it gives me.
I wonder too if that could play a role in why some people have "good sides" they like to be photographed from. Did they favor chewing on one side over the other resulting in better bone development on that side? It also makes me wonder about the long-term effects of retainers that advance the lower jaw to help keep airways open. Also, doesn't ramus length tend to be MUCH shorter in people who have had orthognathic surgery to correct a class III malocclusion? If I'm not mistaken, many people have a deficient jaw angle as a result of surgical correction. Does that mean that women with this feature will look younger and men with this feature will look less attractive?
I think the good side is more because of the face natural asymmetry. My jawline is sharp regardless of the side but I'd say I have a face that is more asymetrical than your average person. As a result I have a side on which I'm noticeably better looking than the other lol
I had a class 3 malocclusion, but I had a lefort 1, which is surgery bringing the upper jaw forward. Sometimes the bottom jaw is brought back, so it really depends on what kind of corrective surgery is required. Sometimes they do both jaws, for double jaw surgery
I can attest to this one. I have a broken 1st molar on my right jaw for ~12 years through my teenage years. I avoided chewing with that right jaw 90% of the time. Needless to say my face is not symmetric. My left jaw is more defined, when I smile my left side snatched up beautifully while the right one rather sags (fine tissues thing I guess). I'm still lucky the asymmetry is not something most people will notice and my jaw and teeth alignment are still normal. But yeah, I sure can tell which side is my good side.
I’ve always hate having strong jawline as a girl because it makes me look masculine. I’m glad that having defined jaw is considered attractive now. Maybe it’s has always been attractive in the west but in my country, having soft jawline was the ideal.
@@foriegn4life462 @Chickennuggets Nop, just look at old paintings of western women between XV and XIX: they all have pale skin, small mouths, straight small noses and soft jaws
light/heavy stubble helps accentuate the shadows and gives the appearance of a stronger jaw. Minoxidil / dermarolling can also aid filling in a beard if you can’t generally.
Yes but can we talk about ASYMMETRY and how to improve it?? By muscle exercises or identifying and improving habits, life styles that are causing/worsening it???
It’s amazing how different standards of beauty vary from person to person. I don’t nor have I ever had a defined jawline, yet I’ve always wanted one. I’ve a narrow face/jaw, but want the wider jaw, wider face look as I find them more attractive. Would it be considered square? Round? Reese Witherspoon comes to mind as I LOVE her profile from the side AND front.
Wow, my beauty standards seem very opposite to yours. I don’t want to be mean at all, but I’ve always hated Reese Witherspoon’s facial profile. I also don’t find wide jaws on men attractive. Brad Pit for example with his very wide jaw, I am not attracted to him.
@@katpage9378 it’s crazy, right? I had to google some other actresses to give other examples of what I’d consider strong jawlines that’s I’ve wanted since I was a teen. Rosario Dawson, Olivia Wilde, Keira Knightly, Natalie Portman, Sandra Bullock, Angelina Jolie. Shirin above me said Reese’s would be considered Heart. I’d take that. Heart, square, round, I’d take all of that. Mine is just oval, which is fine on some, but I don’t even like not wearing bangs because I just feel like my face looks too long 😂 Never heard anyone else say that so it’s just my own little insecurity LOL. As far as men, I don’t think I’ve ever looked at their jawbones to determine attractiveness. Now I gotta go inspect my husbands because I was just sucked in by his dimples🤔. But Brad? I’ve always thought he was fine. Like Foine! Let me go find some pics of Idris, see what he has. I’ll be back! Lol
@@shirin9452 Ahhh!!! Because her chin comes to a point? And to me people with her face shape seem to keep a youthful look to them longer, or maybe it’s just my imagination. Drew Barrymore comes to mind♥️
@@NikkiRen not just because of the pointy chin, though heart shapes definitely have that. It’s also because of her very wide hairline, I believe. The combination makes her face actually look like a heart, she’s pretty much the perfect example for the face shape. Also, I think drew is considered round face shape but don’t quote me. I personally have a diamond face with high cheekbones and it can appear even longer especially with more weight on. Like you, I’ve always loved width and interesting face shapes (Rosario, Olivia, Keira and Angelina all have square faces, which are my favorite). I think it makes people age better too. But not everyone agrees with us, my friends think I’m crazy for wanting a wide square face. Still, oval is never going to look unbalanced and disproportionate. That’s a really nice quality to have in a face shape. There’s a reason why it’s considered the ideal in old fashioned beauty analysis ^^
To anyone watching this, I want you to know you are so much more than this meat suit you are driving around the mortal plane. You are a beautiful immortal soul made of magic and literal cosmic star dust and anyone who is worried about something like your jaw shape (including you)...well...short-sighted doesnt even begin to describe it.
Thanks for writing this... my insecurities were rising a lot while watching the video.. it's good to be remembered we are much more than a body, and that we don't have to change it to be happy
I have an overbite.... can't wait to fix my teeth and see my jaw aligned properly for the first time in my life🥺😭it's my biggest insecurity Guys, please don't get fillers, they will migrate causing more puffiness, instead fix your teeth/breathing
p.s when your jaw first comes forward, you migth not like the look because it makes your cheekbones look smaller in comparison, but as your jaw comes forward, so will your tongue, and it will push on the bone and over time, your cheeckbones may catch up :)
important to note that fixed orthodontic appliances like braces don't bring the face up and forward. instead they pull the upper teeth/maxilla back to fix an overbite. having the maxilla brought back will elongate the face and cause various other problems like tmj, sleep apnea, breathing problems, lack of tongue space, back problems, etc.
Orhodontics have been known to recess maxilla and impact forward facial growth. I also have an overbite and I'm debating whether I wanna rix fixing it.
I was thinking about getting filler to correct my jaw I have a cross bite so one side is more defined than the other plus I have a weak chin on my right side so I hate my right side profile and think I look absolutely hideous from my right side but obviously people say they don't notice but I do and it bothers me. I see so many people get filler and they look good but I'm worried about the long term effects
Which also means that beauty is culture specific in that certain cultures value a strong, jawline, but others, at least, for women, want a softer or more rounded jawline so there’s something going on related to how different cultures or groups of people rate attractiveness based on certain physical features. We know this also by The lightness or darkness of skin, and how that’s different with ratings of attractiveness and plumper versus leaner bodies. perceptions of beauty change with time and Place.
Anyone else find it really difficult to figure out what your jaw and other features are like, despite seeing these videos? Also, if I try to look at my jawline in the mirror it hurts my eyes to look that far to the side. If I take a photo, it messes up my proportions greatly because cameras suck.
Check out before and after pictures for double jaw surgery or orthognathic surgery. The transformation is incredible for those with severe under and over bites.
@@tosexe2535 an open bite is a different thing than an overbite, both jaws are dissorted cant fix this with just braces they are just Part of the presurgerie Phase (getting them on Thursday actually)
@@Paul-uc1qi so u getting double jaw surgery? if so how did u go about it, did the dentist suggest or did u have to take action urself? bc i have an overbite but has never been recommended double jaw surgery
Yes actually, u will get a better jawline but from the front your buccinators will get stronger meaning a more plumper face from the front it wont be sunken in
The buccinator is mostly used for sucking in or blowing. The major muscles used for chewing are the masseter, temporalis (over the temples) and the pterygoids (can't be seen from outside, do not affect the face shape) So chewing won't develop the buccinator much.
Me, 3 days after jaw surgery watching this like 👁👄👁 I've always been insecure about lack of my chin and jaw definition. And people really look at you differently. I've always been fit, active and successful but recessed jaws just make you look 'dumb'. Funny characters in cartoons are always portrayed with recessed jaw as well. I'm only 3 days post-op and there's still such a long road to recovery, but I already feel so much better about my profile and looks overall.
Loved this video! This channel really eliminates the critical contribution bone structure makes to one’s appearance! I was wondering if you could please do a video on the affect of hormones on appearance. For example, I struggled with chronically elevated levels of cortisol for 8 years which gave my face a permanently puffy appearance, referred to as “moon face”. This was even tho I actually have a very small, sharp jawline, and I was at a perfectly healthy weight. Could you please expand on the literature regarding how hormones impact appearance??
@@pineappleflow2876 I came off of a steroid that was supposed to keep inflammation down while I was in the early stages of accutane. Since then I struggled facial puffiness, digestive discomfort, difficulty dropping visceral fat (had to go to doctor to determine this) and extremely painful PCOS
Thank you!! Well this one really helps my drawings! for me this was the hardest part to draw as soon as you see more of the side of the face. How to place the angle, the height and "depth/sharpness" in a face. Now I can place it more correctly and accordingly to what my characters should look like.
It's always the dads .... I got my big nose and receive jaw from mine but I have been mewing and my jaw is much more define with more structure and huger cheekbones .....
I had severe anorexia from 14-19 and I have basically no jaw, I tried jawline filler and it just made my face look wider from the front profile I also have a sever over bite so that also has made my face look unattractive I want to have some corrective surgery of some kind if it’s possible
Before I had kids, I hv a very sharp jawline n I was very shy bc of it. Whenever people/ family told me that I hv a sharp chin, they made it seems like it’s unattractive, bad, ect …
Aside from jaw does cheek protrusion affect overall facial attractiveness for men? I’ve noticed that there’s a fine line between hollow cheeks and looking like a zombie. Especially when you don’t have too much buccal fat to make you look the least bit healthy looking.
yes it does ofc lol and zombie looks usually arent natural, when they arent natural they just remove the fat leaving the bone there fore hollow cheeks but that/nigga might have some trash ass zygos(hence why that/nigga needed the surgery ) aka looking uncanny asf aka zombie look most male models with this are usually good looking and a bit healthy looking fat nah i don't think so, unless u got good harmony this isnt ideal(prob still isnt ideal even though good harmony lol) you should have jaw width and zygo width and prominence for atleast a bit of hollows or else ur just underdeveloped or someshit(like a lil 2 high boddy fat but, if u have good development u should have hollows at least at 10 percent bf. ) i guess u can only pull looks like this off with good harmony wich can be the case sometimes but it would be ideal and u would prob look a lot better with high and more foward grown zygos ya heardd.
@@yungtaoshiwan4144 Thanks for the input- made me chuckle, your comment reads like you’re off of the boondocks man. Haha I say that because I do have prominent cheeks bones and a well developed Jaw. So I get the hollow cheeked look, naturally. Only issue is one cheek has more buccal fat and looks normal whilst the other inadvertently makes me look like a zombie. I think I had made it worse due to teeth placement being slightly off kilter meaning more prominence and support on one side compared to the other. Feel like buccal fat is the main determinant to whether you face will look ‘cut’ without looking like a Sith lords stretched a**. Also, so long as your thirds are equal. Most people tend to look fine or attractive. But I understand really hard to pull off.
@@evxl- Yo I have the same issue as you, good jawline and cheekbones but one side of my cheek is hollow while other one is alright. So I'm like a half zombie😂 Girls around me usually compliments my bone structure except my family and guy friends, they say I don't eat anything. How to get even fat in both the cheeks? I came to know about mewing even though I used to do that naturally, I started doing hard mewing with high pressure but it's no use since it only changes the bone structure but my bone structure is alright it's just uneven distribution of fat and since I've hollow eyes, it just caters to my half zombie look💀
I think the zombie look is pretty popular lol. Think machine gun kelly, timothee chalamet, benedict cumberbatch.. if they didn't look after their appearance, their bony faces wouldn't look as universally attractive as they are (whether you think those men are attractive to you or not)
i had a v-line surgery and i didn't have a big jaw and the surgery totally destroyed my face leaving me looking saggy with no jaw line definition, everything was soft, round and ugly, it aged me so fast and it was the biggest regret of my life. I spent MONTHS taking pics in the mirror trying to justify to myself that it's supposed to look good but no it was awful. I then went to a way better dr who redid the previous work, this time with t-genioplasty and also a facelift to try to tighten it all up and it looks so much better. I'm so thankful there was a dr who could help me because most drs don't want to touch other peoples work! It is the 2nd newest vid I posted on my chan you can see for yourself. If you are getting this surg and removing a lot of bone be aware you might ned a facelift. Also be aware if you go aggressive you will lose that definition from neck to jaw it will just be smooth, the opposite of what you are looking for, even a facelift won't bring the definition back.
I also have a big defined jawline and I've been thinking about v-line surgery since I was 10 (now I am 20) but seeing all those comments from people that went through v-line and were not pleased with this makes me appreciate my face more.
I’m looking at your TH-cam I think you look quite lovely . I would have not guessed you were trans if that helps. I don’t think it aged you at all dear.
@@xxyy2597 me to and I’m the same age as you. I have an oval long ass fcking mr.potato head ass face. And I’d look so pretty if I had that v line. And it’s hard to act like I don’t want to do a jaw trim. But everyone is literally warning back to back this will make you skin sag.
@@eenchantress5113 if u look at my 2nd newest video you can see the big diffrence because i had more surgery to fix 2 times ppl say they couldnt see anything wrong but when i had it fixed then they really see what was done wrong and what was done right.
I tried removing wisdom teeth to make my jawline softer… it was so stupid. I think especially back then, we didn’t realize that strong jaws were actually beautiful bc we lived in a sea of narrow faces
It’s good 👍🏻!! Me on same boat ! I can tell u small jaw n mouth is best for women. Cuz ppl have small mouth always age BEST . It require less face movement to chew, talk, eat , laugh. I am Asian I came to Canada 🇨🇦 20 yr ago . Asian here look 👀 literally like diff different specie as back home (child’s view ) n i didnt understand why Asian her look 👀strange !why men/teen back home so much hotter n taller ! (Child’s view ) . N I stood out among Asian crowds in Toronto in our school years n party days . It’s just strange i dont run INTO girls/guys look like me ! N getting ready to party I found my mouth 👄 Soo much smaller than my other Asian friends . When I laugh my teeth 🦷 don’t buck out ! 99% of my friends when they laugh their moth look Huge , all the gum show ! Now 10-15 yr later . I look 5-10 yr younger than my female friends . It’s so weird ! My mom told me d gap will get wider too ! I start to realize having small mouth 👄 small jaw/chin Is Gem 💎! It will eliminate JAW/sag ! Which will make face look around n old fast ! Like Gwaneth Paltrow :) hugs 🫂 Ppl with wide jaw , big mouth , wil have big circle ⭕️deep like around mouth 👄 from nose 👃🏽 to mouth . Like Jennifer Aniston . That line will make men n women look 10 yr more aged .
For people saying it's all scientifically proven... I don't think it's all black and white. We are definitely taught what features are attractive and which are not. It is both, yes some things were "evolutionary" but it is not exclusively evolutionary. A good example is the different trends of facial fillers/ botox and plastic surgery. Some period women want one look, which generally can be found in some people, then the look changes, so women get different type of filler to mimic different types of bone structure, or get filler dissolved to reduce a structure. It's definitely fluid and part of it is cultural/learned.
Can wisdom teeth removal affect the growth or the shape of the ramus? Considering my son is only 16 and he is still growing. Thanks, from a concerned mom 🙂 Edit... Btw, the doctor suggested the wisdom teeth to be removed because it is growing in an inward angle (not straight). But thank God he only got 2 bottom wisdom teeth growing, no upper wisdom teeth surprisingly. Thanks for all the replies 👍
yeah it can ur bone gets reabsorbed into soft tissue after a while like 6 months also if his wisdom teeth arent growing correctly cause his jaw is to small tell him to mew and chew watch out with the chewing as this can get u tmj so make sure he is chewing with his back teeth and that he relaxes the muscles with his hands for atleast 5 minutes after
@@TheSmiaf Exactly! If they aren't causing pain don't remove them. Doctors oftentimes will see they are coming in and suggest they be taken out for the patients 'benefit' but really they aren't an issue at all and the dentist will just be making money by performing the procedure.
yes ofc, since he is young, he should start mewing and eating hard foods (not just gum but brocolli and meat). he should be able to make enough space in your mouth. also help him to start working out if you can. Full body weighted movements increase growth hormone and facilitate bone remodeling. if you have your wisdom teeth, he will most likely have them./ have enough space to have them as well.
3:54 definitely the bite force came first. Because a mans naturally higher testosterone levels, the masseter will be better developed and simply stronger, in turn helping the development of a square jaw
@@BitchChill some people gained weight during Covid, so Covid 15 is a play on the term freshmen 15 which is when new college students gain 15 lbs in their first year of university eating junk foods etc.
I know this video is older, but hopefully my question is still heard: What do you think about neck width, for both sexes but particularly for men? Is there a double edged sword of the neck being positively dimorphic for men but at the same time perhaps it makes a jaw look proportionally less wide or affects the shadow of a profile view in a negative way? There's a so many year old "meme"/not-meme of training neck for a more masculine aesthetic. You seem like that kind of guy to ask about this.
@@burakgec1262 bruh yeah mewing but u have to do it religiously if u want any good changes, do towel pulling allat, chewing a lot is good for foward growth also u can do face pulling if u got $$$ or thumb pulling but thumb pulling = dedication foh life(not really but yeah)
By making it more newbie friendly, you will get more viewers. You will also get more silly people who can’t understand the motivation behind the information you are giving them.
Yup that explains why I have such a strong jawline, I started chewing gum when I was like 14 years old or so every day just because I liked it. My face back then was oval/slim like an egg, now with 21 I have an oval/square face shape. I still chew gum every day and sometimes use jawliners and exercises where I bite on a towel with a weight attached to it to do neck curls. I just measured my ramus and it is about 9,4 cm long.(I don't exactly know how to measure it but definitely over 8 cm long.)
@@Philocaliy Yup, meanwhile my brother looks exactly like me but his face is just oval. To be fair he is just 16 years old but I told hin to chew nore gum a few month ago, you can clearly see a little improvement. But that just works during puperty I guess and you only see it at a fairly low bodyfat.
how did you chew to grow your ramus? mine is about 1-2cm below average and im trying to get that small bit of growth since my jaw looks a bit too small. Did you chew on your molars? or incisors
it got a lot of hate, i think it got lost in translation. people disagreed with the evaluation the lupita had more masculine features as compared to the other lady shown who was said to have very femme features
I don't have a strong jaw but honestly I've always been considered good looking. And to my surprise I realized in East Asia a V shaped face like mine is considered the best one, rather than a wide and squared very masculine jaw: quite the opposite of the western standard. The thing in common is the jawline must be defined and not retracted tho, which I think is what really matters for the most part.
When I take a picture from a Low angle and tilt my head upwards my eyes look slightly down turned. Is this normal or does that mean I have a negative canthal tilt?
Lots of interesting information in this video, but the video doesn't really address the question in the title: "Why your jawline never looks sharp". All the video says about that is that chewing soft foods and mouth breathing during adolescence can cause a recessed jaw. Is that it? Where is the data and research to support this? I find it hard to believe that people with recessed jaws were simply fed too much mushy food as kids, while people with defined jaws were simply fed nuts and beef jerky a lot when they were kids. What about genetics? Is there evidence to show that defined/recessed jaws run in the family? What can be done to make the jaw more defined? What about mewing, chewing harder foods, nose breathing, etc? This video seems to focus on all of the aspects of this topic that aren't applicable.
I used to have a really sharp jawline not that it's bad these days but I would sometimes catch myself mouth breathing usually after an intense workout which I now fixed & meditate while mewing while I catch my breath but still once in a while wake up breathing out of my mouth.
I don’t know if anyone can answer this, but I’ve seen pictures of my dad when he was younger (20’s and 30’s) and he had no strong jawline. But then I see pictures of him right around the time he turned 40, and all of a sudden he’s got a pretty defined square jaw. It’s crazy because my dad was never fat or anything (he is now around 60) was in the army right up until he retired around 40 years old, and he didn’t lose a ton of weight around that time from what I remember. My dad was never fit and never had “muscles” from working out. His jawline somehow got more masculine and pronounced around late 30’s/early 40’s. Can anyone explain why this is?
Guys I need help, my face from the front looks fine, everything looks normal, HOWEVER my side profile sucks. My nose looks too big due to my lack of a jaw line. How can I define my jaw line naturally? Should I lose weight? or Mew? (tbh I have no idea how to mew) btw I'm 19 if that helps with anything
Can someone explain/help if someone has 'connective tissues' in face? Like, I have it since I was a kid, my beautician (who is also a doctor( told me it doesn't matter how mich weight I lose, I'll always have a puffy round face and no sharp jawline😖 I hate my face structure soo mich I really struggle with it and my confidence. I did once Hyaloron at my beautician for a sharper jawline and thinner face but it doesn't gave me the effect - because of my connective tissues in my face. Please help (Sorry for my english, it's not my first language)
I googled that German phrase and got "strong tissue in the face" which is still a bit confusing....maybe you have a more soft face....I don't know your age or whether you're a man or woman, which definitely factor in on whether you'll see changes brought on by aging to full maturity.
I got some real advice here. If you have horrible bone structure there is a way to increase bonesize like making your ramus or jawline bigger. This is called bonesmashing, its a controversial topic but it is a legit way of increasing bonesize. I def would recommend the use of mk677 along with bonesmashing to make a (permanently) defined jaw
I have a long ramus but my jawline is still pretty weak. I don’t have an overbite anymore but I used to. I also have pretty wide cheekbones but they seem really flat. Could this mean that I have a recessed maxilla? I read an article about it and I had many of the symptoms, like: upper teeth not showing when speaking, flat upper face, square looking face and tongue not having enough space on the roof of my mouth.
Personally looking at the thumbnail sure her jaw was soft on the before image but the after made her look way too masculine imo honestly the before was way more attractive could even say her jaw looked good
Nice to know that basically the only scientifically attractive thing about my face is my alarmingly sharp jawline. 😂 Thanks dad! Also, despite being East Asian he also contributed a relatively high nose bridge so his legally half-blind daughter's glasses actually have something to grip! ("High" for my rather flat E/SE Asian face, anyway.) He also gave me epic eyebrows! I would've made such a heroic Wuxia main chara if I were a man. And over 5' tall. With a more symmetrical face. Alas. (I KNOW you know what I'm talking about. Quite literally all of them has that "double bladed" eyebrow style. Every. Single. One. Go on, go check. It's freaking hilarious.) Now just gotta build up that bod so I can be the female version of all of those male models on the covers of modern bodice rippers. Like, seriously, there's never a full face of the men, or women! Just the impossibly swole jawline, shoulders that don't quit and a "washboard" stomach. (Who knows what a washboard even is, or looks like, these days?! Crap, just revealed my age.)
Same, (I'm a girl) I get my sharp jawline from my dad (square head) and perfectly thick arched eyebrows from him. I'm currently working out, not to look good, mainly to stay healthy. 👍
I feel like a high nose bridge is a bother, though. Or at least it might be my combination of high nose bridge and high cheek bones, because there are always gaps between surgical and n95 face masks and my face right next to my nose, unless I tape the top border down. This despite always using the internal metal bands to shape the mask into a more snug fit.
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Ok but can we talk about how well explained this video was? It is definetly newbie friendly
Happy to see that the information is sticking!
yeah was the most friendly video with my (still learning) English.
@@QOVESStudio what information? It’s your OPINION. And you’ve got weird opinions on what is most attractive. You’ve gone procedure blind.
Hmm pardon? Not so basic tho.
@@elsagrace3893 its not opiniated. take a look at high tier models anywhere.
the jawline series taught me that people find defined male jawlines attractive because it indicates you can bite the hell out of a saber tooth tiger.
Just had a saber tooth tiger for dinner
You can bite a saber tooth tiger? Mmm, sexy.
might relate to our original days as a species, back when males would rip each other's throats out for mates, the stronger your bite force, the easier it is to do that.
@@GastropodGaming2006 Did guys really do that though? "ARRRRR you can't have whamen. Whamen mine Steve. Pay with your blood" *bites throat* "that's kinda hot bro ngl 😏no homo though😒 but don't stop though 😏"
I'm just also not sure if guys even cared when someone alse was having sex with a woman. I feel like maybe everyone was just fine with everyone mating with everyone. I mean that was before different religions emerged and told everyone monogamy is the way to go.
Beauty standard is bul sh. People have different jaw lines and looks, it has nothing to do with feminine or masculine characters. Its not like women MUST look smooth, men MUST look square. Stop beauty standard.
It's crazy how a recessed face shape is universally considered less attractive. It shows how beauty isn't solely subjective, but can be explained rationally
We've been trying to explain this for years!
More like it would be crazy if it wasn't. Attractiveness is inextricably linked with genetic/physical health. It would be crazy if something as important to the long term survival of a species as sexual selection was effectively random.
@@michaelsteffensen6844 Makes sense, but I wonder what about the features/proportions that are universally considered attractive that have nothing to do with genetic health?
@@katpage9378 Cultural and psychology
@@QOVESStudio for western, girls should be masculine
I like how pragmatic and ruthless you’re when it comes to face analyzing
@@joshrees3413 this
He is also WRONG. What he says is attractive and youthful is ugly and obviously unnatural which makes the person look like a freak!
It is not, it's just truthful
It is just spitting the truth
@@elsagrace3893 didn’t ask
Looks like every last one of you are fans of this channel because you’ve bought the image that marketing is selling with their fake, altered, retouched, altered images of reality. It’s funny because you will peruse the freak image until you achieve it and then wonder why you are still a miserable feeling human. Who now looks like a freak.
As an asian female with strong jawline Ive always hated it and fantasised having the Korean jaw shaving procedure. Now in my 40s and living in the UK Ive held up pretty well and the good ol strong jaw is doing a lot of heavy lifting still with no sagging or jowls. Bemused at the recent UK trend of putting fillers in female jaws to get it more defined! 😆..oh and I also found out that korean jaw shaving results in premature sagging, something not often mentioned.
Honestly talking korean beauty standards are shit and make no sense it's like they try hard to be so quirky and different from others but yo each to their own, their culture so..we should stop caring about these beauty standards in general and feel loved by ourselves first.
I have always loved it from the side but not from my front
@@nobodyelse7911 also American standard are not so perfect
@@rossanascarati2720 exactly that's what I am saying. Literally every beauty standard makes no sense at all i mean like why do we have to agree to something that says you have to look a certain way to be deemed attractive in unison? What makes us special then?
@@nobodyelse7911 when u don’t conform to the beauty standards then u can keep a unique look unless ur face is already common
it would have been interesting if you had also discussed how ramus length impacts facial aesthetics from the frontal view. for example I am a girl with a semi-long ramous and defined gonial angle that looks good on side profile view, but from the front I look square and wish I was more v-line. it makes it harder for your face to look slim from the front unless you are at super low body fat because you just lack that v shape anatomically. or conversely a girl who is very v line and pretty front the frontal angle might look weaker on the side profile. just my two thoughts.
Yup. Usually a sharp jawline is accompanied with a wider face from the frontal view. The only person i can think of who has a great jawline yet slim (frontal-view) face is Alycia Debnam Carey
square jawlines can look good on girls, I personally prefer square to v as long as the philtrum to chin ratio is good.
Sameeee :'3 along with my nose. It looks wide and snubbed at the front but very high at the sides so i really like side angles XD
this just means u need a taller chin
@@yungtaoshiwan4144 no true. ive had chin filler before to make my chin longer in the hopes that it would make my jawline more v line and it looked awful because my chin length was already fine and the filler made the distance from my mouth to my chin too long - so yeah for me its about the ramus length and jaw angle not length of chin
I also want to say thank you for this video. I have never been pleased with my jawline and now I know why. I have a lot of flesh on my neck and chin in the place where there should be shadow. My neck is just built like that, so I have to learn to be happy with the cute image it gives me.
I wonder too if that could play a role in why some people have "good sides" they like to be photographed from. Did they favor chewing on one side over the other resulting in better bone development on that side? It also makes me wonder about the long-term effects of retainers that advance the lower jaw to help keep airways open. Also, doesn't ramus length tend to be MUCH shorter in people who have had orthognathic surgery to correct a class III malocclusion? If I'm not mistaken, many people have a deficient jaw angle as a result of surgical correction. Does that mean that women with this feature will look younger and men with this feature will look less attractive?
I think the good side is more because of the face natural asymmetry.
My jawline is sharp regardless of the side but I'd say I have a face that is more asymetrical than your average person. As a result I have a side on which I'm noticeably better looking than the other lol
My "good side" is the one where I've always slept over. My other side's jawline is slightly less defined.
I had a class 3 malocclusion, but I had a lefort 1, which is surgery bringing the upper jaw forward. Sometimes the bottom jaw is brought back, so it really depends on what kind of corrective surgery is required. Sometimes they do both jaws, for double jaw surgery
I can attest to this one. I have a broken 1st molar on my right jaw for ~12 years through my teenage years. I avoided chewing with that right jaw 90% of the time. Needless to say my face is not symmetric. My left jaw is more defined, when I smile my left side snatched up beautifully while the right one rather sags (fine tissues thing I guess). I'm still lucky the asymmetry is not something most people will notice and my jaw and teeth alignment are still normal. But yeah, I sure can tell which side is my good side.
I chewed on my left and that side is much more defined, hope its not too late for me to fix it by chewing on the right.
I’ve always hate having strong jawline as a girl because it makes me look masculine. I’m glad that having defined jaw is considered attractive now. Maybe it’s has always been attractive in the west but in my country, having soft jawline was the ideal.
Having a strong jaw is and ALWAYS will be attractive for both men and women.
@@foriegn4life462 mostly for men tho
@@foriegn4life462 @Chickennuggets Nop, just look at old paintings of western women between XV and XIX: they all have pale skin, small mouths, straight small noses and soft jaws
Strong jawlines for females are hit
r u serious, girls with strong jaw are hot
I love to find out scientific reasons to 'why I'm ugly' 😅
Same 😅
Why do people post these same stupid comments on every video
youre not ugly
ty for the blue pill
@@RayFog1 Your comment was more stupid
light/heavy stubble helps accentuate the shadows and gives the appearance of a stronger jaw. Minoxidil / dermarolling can also aid filling in a beard if you can’t generally.
only for beard frauding niggas with weak jaws smh
@@yungtaoshiwan4144 its a valid non surgical looks maxing option. Even guys with strong jaws look better with well kept stubble.
@@yungtaoshiwan4144 what is a frauding nigga? (english is not my speaking language)
@@ShowMeYoBoob That guy seems to be on drugs based on his other comment
@@pineappleflow2876 yea i had seen some of his other comments after
and seems like something wrong with him xD
Yes but can we talk about ASYMMETRY and how to improve it?? By muscle exercises or identifying and improving habits, life styles that are causing/worsening it???
Hell yes please
The "most attractive" Hollywood superstars have tons of asymmetrical facial features.
Live ur life
Next topic about glasses effect on your face or noticeable eyebag please
It'd so interesting to see more about some East Asian beauty standards explanations, such as the v-line, the high cranial top and small philtrum
It’s amazing how different standards of beauty vary from person to person. I don’t nor have I ever had a defined jawline, yet I’ve always wanted one. I’ve a narrow face/jaw, but want the wider jaw, wider face look as I find them more attractive. Would it be considered square? Round? Reese Witherspoon comes to mind as I LOVE her profile from the side AND front.
Wow, my beauty standards seem very opposite to yours. I don’t want to be mean at all, but I’ve always hated Reese Witherspoon’s facial profile. I also don’t find wide jaws on men attractive. Brad Pit for example with his very wide jaw, I am not attracted to him.
She’s a heart shape I think, if that helps ^^
@@katpage9378 it’s crazy, right? I had to google some other actresses to give other examples of what I’d consider strong jawlines that’s I’ve wanted since I was a teen. Rosario Dawson, Olivia Wilde, Keira Knightly, Natalie Portman, Sandra Bullock, Angelina Jolie. Shirin above me said Reese’s would be considered Heart. I’d take that. Heart, square, round, I’d take all of that. Mine is just oval, which is fine on some, but I don’t even like not wearing bangs because I just feel like my face looks too long 😂 Never heard anyone else say that so it’s just my own little insecurity LOL. As far as men, I don’t think I’ve ever looked at their jawbones to determine attractiveness. Now I gotta go inspect my husbands because I was just sucked in by his dimples🤔. But Brad? I’ve always thought he was fine. Like Foine! Let me go find some pics of Idris, see what he has. I’ll be back! Lol
@@shirin9452 Ahhh!!! Because her chin comes to a point? And to me people with her face shape seem to keep a youthful look to them longer, or maybe it’s just my imagination. Drew Barrymore comes to mind♥️
@@NikkiRen not just because of the pointy chin, though heart shapes definitely have that. It’s also because of her very wide hairline, I believe. The combination makes her face actually look like a heart, she’s pretty much the perfect example for the face shape. Also, I think drew is considered round face shape but don’t quote me. I personally have a diamond face with high cheekbones and it can appear even longer especially with more weight on. Like you, I’ve always loved width and interesting face shapes (Rosario, Olivia, Keira and Angelina all have square faces, which are my favorite). I think it makes people age better too. But not everyone agrees with us, my friends think I’m crazy for wanting a wide square face. Still, oval is never going to look unbalanced and disproportionate. That’s a really nice quality to have in a face shape. There’s a reason why it’s considered the ideal in old fashioned beauty analysis ^^
Finally! This is the kind of videos I really missed!
To anyone watching this, I want you to know you are so much more than this meat suit you are driving around the mortal plane. You are a beautiful immortal soul made of magic and literal cosmic star dust and anyone who is worried about something like your jaw shape (including you)...well...short-sighted doesnt even begin to describe it.
Shut up, I wanna eat diamonds for breakfast, with no milk.
Thanks for writing this... my insecurities were rising a lot while watching the video.. it's good to be remembered we are much more than a body, and that we don't have to change it to be happy
That’s true. But while we are experiencing this ( chosen) 3 or 4D reality it’s cool to have every advantage we can get!
That’s beautiful and all,but I just wanna be pretty
Thank you for saying that ♡
I have an overbite.... can't wait to fix my teeth and see my jaw aligned properly for the first time in my life🥺😭it's my biggest insecurity
Guys, please don't get fillers, they will migrate causing more puffiness, instead fix your teeth/breathing
p.s when your jaw first comes forward, you migth not like the look because it makes your cheekbones look smaller in comparison, but as your jaw comes forward, so will your tongue, and it will push on the bone and over time, your cheeckbones may catch up :)
important to note that fixed orthodontic appliances like braces don't bring the face up and forward. instead they pull the upper teeth/maxilla back to fix an overbite. having the maxilla brought back will elongate the face and cause various other problems like tmj, sleep apnea, breathing problems, lack of tongue space, back problems, etc.
Orhodontics have been known to recess maxilla and impact forward facial growth. I also have an overbite and I'm debating whether I wanna rix fixing it.
I was thinking about getting filler to correct my jaw I have a cross bite so one side is more defined than the other plus I have a weak chin on my right side so I hate my right side profile and think I look absolutely hideous from my right side but obviously people say they don't notice but I do and it bothers me. I see so many people get filler and they look good but I'm worried about the long term effects
@@kyladanae you're literally so beautiful, please don't do any of that.
Which also means that beauty is culture specific in that certain cultures value a strong, jawline, but others, at least, for women, want a softer or more rounded jawline so there’s something going on related to how different cultures or groups of people rate attractiveness based on certain physical features. We know this also by The lightness or darkness of skin, and how that’s different with ratings of attractiveness and plumper versus leaner bodies. perceptions of beauty change with time and Place.
Anyone else find it really difficult to figure out what your jaw and other features are like, despite seeing these videos? Also, if I try to look at my jawline in the mirror it hurts my eyes to look that far to the side. If I take a photo, it messes up my proportions greatly because cameras suck.
use two mirrors
take a photo with your back camera, not front, and take it from further away - you'll minimise distortion!
You can get a face analysis from them check the description box
Check out before and after pictures for double jaw surgery or orthognathic surgery. The transformation is incredible for those with severe under and over bites.
Also for open bites because I got one
why should u do it if u have an overbite tho? dosent just braces just fix
@@tosexe2535 an open bite is a different thing than an overbite, both jaws are dissorted cant fix this with just braces they are just Part of the presurgerie Phase (getting them on Thursday actually)
@@Paul-uc1qi so u getting double jaw surgery? if so how did u go about it, did the dentist suggest or did u have to take action urself? bc i have an overbite but has never been recommended double jaw surgery
@@tosexe2535 orthodontists suggested it because it is diffucult to fix with just braces, I also had several orthodontists now I am at a specialized
Obesity, age, and a retruded lower jaw are all factors in snoring and sleep apnea.
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Do you think if you chew more often and harder foods the rammus will enlarge as an adult? won't it also increase the buccinators muscle?
not really and if so u can atrophy then way easier then the masseter
Depends on the way you chew
Yes actually, u will get a better jawline but from the front your buccinators will get stronger meaning a more plumper face from the front it wont be sunken in
@@celina9062 if you chew and swallow properly, you can prevent the buccinators from growing excessively
The buccinator is mostly used for sucking in or blowing.
The major muscles used for chewing are the masseter, temporalis (over the temples) and the pterygoids (can't be seen from outside, do not affect the face shape) So chewing won't develop the buccinator much.
Omg I legit just found out the reason why I’m ugly. Amazing video. Def need a jaw reconstruction.
The world is a frightening place right now. I'm really living in a dystopia where humans are cyborgs
What 😭
Me, 3 days after jaw surgery watching this like 👁👄👁
I've always been insecure about lack of my chin and jaw definition. And people really look at you differently. I've always been fit, active and successful but recessed jaws just make you look 'dumb'. Funny characters in cartoons are always portrayed with recessed jaw as well.
I'm only 3 days post-op and there's still such a long road to recovery, but I already feel so much better about my profile and looks overall.
Thanks for letting me know I look dumb ✋
@@dude8791 sorry hahah
Loved this video! This channel really eliminates the critical contribution bone structure makes to one’s appearance!
I was wondering if you could please do a video on the affect of hormones on appearance. For example, I struggled with chronically elevated levels of cortisol for 8 years which gave my face a permanently puffy appearance, referred to as “moon face”. This was even tho I actually have a very small, sharp jawline, and I was at a perfectly healthy weight. Could you please expand on the literature regarding how hormones impact appearance??
Illuminates you mean? I’m confused
What caused your high cortisol levels? Did you have other symptoms besides the puffiness?
@@katpage9378 Yeah, it was a typo 🥲
@@pineappleflow2876 I came off of a steroid that was supposed to keep inflammation down while I was in the early stages of accutane. Since then I struggled facial puffiness, digestive discomfort, difficulty dropping visceral fat (had to go to doctor to determine this) and extremely painful PCOS
Do you know "moonface" can be treated? I too suffered from moonface as a result of depression and stress during my college years
I would KILL to have a jawline like those “before” photos. I’m super skinny but naturally have NO visible jawline. Shit sucks 🙁
surgery or beard.
@@portman8909i am a walking skeleton, and i got a big bushy beard, and i actually look worse
cap@@john.9960
Thank you!! Well this one really helps my drawings! for me this was the hardest part to draw as soon as you see more of the side of the face.
How to place the angle, the height and "depth/sharpness" in a face.
Now I can place it more correctly and accordingly to what my characters should look like.
I inherited my dads nonexistent bone structure. I've always dreamt of having a defined jawline and no double chin.
but you look wonderful
@@franz3810 Aww thanks but that pic is just very carefully posed to hide all the flaws.
@@59marguerite more like you just ate soft foods and breathe throught you mouth through developmental stages of life.
@@foriegn4life462 Genetics play a bigger part
It's always the dads ....
I got my big nose and receive jaw from mine but I have been mewing and my jaw is much more define with more structure and huger cheekbones .....
Is this the part where we say "no one looks like that irl" bc I've definitely see people have a sharp one. Some people are actually natural beauty.
Nice refresher for new subs, thought the music was a nice touch.
My ramus is VERY pronounced as a woman in her 20's and it does make me look masculine.
you are lucky.
Same I've always had a "sharp" jawline and have never had anything done to it
And here I was glad I at least have a nice, sharp jawline but now I know it's part of what makes my face look slightly more masculine, great.
I find women with sharper jawlines more attractive.
Beauty = health 💀
I actually think soft jawlines on females are actually cute. I think women w curved and softer females look more feminine in my opinion
That's true.
thank u for curing my insecurity
@@bagel011 you are welcome
Same, I have a square jaw and it looks very manly I wish I had a softer jaw
Not when it's extreme. As a guy i find extremely soft jaws on women unattractive. They'll probably look even worse on men though.
I had severe anorexia from 14-19 and I have basically no jaw, I tried jawline filler and it just made my face look wider from the front profile
I also have a sever over bite so that also has made my face look unattractive
I want to have some corrective surgery of some kind if it’s possible
Before I had kids, I hv a very sharp jawline n I was very shy bc of it. Whenever people/ family told me that I hv a sharp chin, they made it seems like it’s unattractive, bad, ect …
Aside from jaw does cheek protrusion affect overall facial attractiveness for men?
I’ve noticed that there’s a fine line between hollow cheeks and looking like a zombie.
Especially when you don’t have too much buccal fat to make you look the least bit healthy looking.
yes it does ofc lol and zombie looks usually arent natural, when they arent natural they just remove the fat leaving the bone there fore hollow cheeks but that/nigga might have some trash ass zygos(hence why that/nigga needed the surgery ) aka looking uncanny asf aka zombie look most male models with this are usually good looking and a bit healthy looking fat nah i don't think so, unless u got good harmony this isnt ideal(prob still isnt ideal even though good harmony lol) you should have jaw width and zygo width and prominence for atleast a bit of hollows or else ur just underdeveloped or someshit(like a lil 2 high boddy fat but, if u have good development u should have hollows at least at 10 percent bf. ) i guess
u can only pull looks like this off with good harmony wich can be the case sometimes but it would be ideal and u would prob look a lot better with high and more foward grown zygos ya heardd.
@@yungtaoshiwan4144
Thanks for the input- made me chuckle, your comment reads like you’re off of the boondocks man. Haha
I say that because I do have prominent cheeks bones and a well developed Jaw.
So I get the hollow cheeked look, naturally.
Only issue is one cheek has more buccal fat and looks normal whilst the other inadvertently makes me look like a zombie.
I think I had made it worse due to teeth placement being slightly off kilter meaning more prominence and support on one side compared to the other.
Feel like buccal fat is the main determinant to whether you face will look ‘cut’ without looking like a Sith lords stretched a**.
Also, so long as your thirds are equal. Most people tend to look fine or attractive. But I understand really hard to pull off.
@@evxl- Yo I have the same issue as you, good jawline and cheekbones but one side of my cheek is hollow while other one is alright. So I'm like a half zombie😂
Girls around me usually compliments my bone structure except my family and guy friends, they say I don't eat anything.
How to get even fat in both the cheeks? I came to know about mewing even though I used to do that naturally, I started doing hard mewing with high pressure but it's no use since it only changes the bone structure but my bone structure is alright it's just uneven distribution of fat and since I've hollow eyes, it just caters to my half zombie look💀
I think the zombie look is pretty popular lol. Think machine gun kelly, timothee chalamet, benedict cumberbatch.. if they didn't look after their appearance, their bony faces wouldn't look as universally attractive as they are (whether you think those men are attractive to you or not)
@@teamene9034 so you're telling me chris evans isn't attractive, Chris Pratt isn't attractive?
i had a v-line surgery and i didn't have a big jaw and the surgery totally destroyed my face leaving me looking saggy with no jaw line definition, everything was soft, round and ugly, it aged me so fast and it was the biggest regret of my life. I spent MONTHS taking pics in the mirror trying to justify to myself that it's supposed to look good but no it was awful. I then went to a way better dr who redid the previous work, this time with t-genioplasty and also a facelift to try to tighten it all up and it looks so much better. I'm so thankful there was a dr who could help me because most drs don't want to touch other peoples work! It is the 2nd newest vid I posted on my chan you can see for yourself. If you are getting this surg and removing a lot of bone be aware you might ned a facelift. Also be aware if you go aggressive you will lose that definition from neck to jaw it will just be smooth, the opposite of what you are looking for, even a facelift won't bring the definition back.
I also have a big defined jawline and I've been thinking about v-line surgery since I was 10 (now I am 20) but seeing all those comments from people that went through v-line and were not pleased with this makes me appreciate my face more.
I’m looking at your TH-cam I think you look quite lovely . I would have not guessed you were trans if that helps. I don’t think it aged you at all dear.
@@xxyy2597 me to and I’m the same age as you. I have an oval long ass fcking mr.potato head ass face. And I’d look so pretty if I had that v line. And it’s hard to act like I don’t want to do a jaw trim. But everyone is literally warning back to back this will make you skin sag.
@@eenchantress5113 if u look at my 2nd newest video you can see the big diffrence because i had more surgery to fix 2 times ppl say they couldnt see anything wrong but when i had it fixed then they really see what was done wrong and what was done right.
I tried removing wisdom teeth to make my jawline softer… it was so stupid. I think especially back then, we didn’t realize that strong jaws were actually beautiful bc we lived in a sea of narrow faces
Yeah, I have a small jaw and mouth. It's actually difficult to get my teeth worked on at the dentist.
It’s good 👍🏻!! Me on same boat ! I can tell u small jaw n mouth is best for women. Cuz ppl have small mouth always age BEST . It require less face movement to chew, talk, eat , laugh.
I am Asian I came to Canada 🇨🇦 20 yr ago . Asian here look 👀 literally like diff different specie as back home (child’s view ) n i didnt understand why Asian her look 👀strange !why men/teen back home so much hotter n taller ! (Child’s view ) . N I stood out among Asian crowds in Toronto in our school years n party days . It’s just strange i dont run INTO girls/guys look like me ! N getting ready to party I found my mouth 👄 Soo much smaller than my other Asian friends . When I laugh my teeth 🦷 don’t buck out ! 99% of my friends when they laugh their moth look Huge , all the gum show !
Now 10-15 yr later . I look 5-10 yr younger than my female friends . It’s so weird ! My mom told me d gap will get wider too ! I start to realize having small mouth 👄 small jaw/chin Is Gem 💎! It will eliminate JAW/sag ! Which will make face look around n old fast ! Like Gwaneth Paltrow :) hugs 🫂
Ppl with wide jaw , big mouth , wil have big circle ⭕️deep like around mouth 👄 from nose 👃🏽 to mouth . Like Jennifer Aniston . That line will make men n women look 10 yr more aged .
@@birdtj82 Yes, I'll be 33 in July I get IDed. People think I'm 25. I'm not mad at it.
Simply amazing. Thanks qoves 🖤
The more I know about It the more I don't want to change myself
As a dentist, I appreciated this video 😄
For people saying it's all scientifically proven... I don't think it's all black and white. We are definitely taught what features are attractive and which are not. It is both, yes some things were "evolutionary" but it is not exclusively evolutionary. A good example is the different trends of facial fillers/ botox and plastic surgery. Some period women want one look, which generally can be found in some people, then the look changes, so women get different type of filler to mimic different types of bone structure, or get filler dissolved to reduce a structure. It's definitely fluid and part of it is cultural/learned.
Average bluepiller:
Can wisdom teeth removal affect the growth or the shape of the ramus? Considering my son is only 16 and he is still growing.
Thanks, from a concerned mom 🙂
Edit...
Btw, the doctor suggested the wisdom teeth to be removed because it is growing in an inward angle (not straight). But thank God he only got 2 bottom wisdom teeth growing, no upper wisdom teeth surprisingly. Thanks for all the replies 👍
yeah it can ur bone gets reabsorbed into soft tissue after a while like 6 months also if his wisdom teeth arent growing correctly cause his jaw is to small tell him to mew and chew watch out with the chewing as this can get u tmj so make sure he is chewing with his back teeth and that he relaxes the muscles with his hands for atleast 5 minutes after
I'm 46 still got my 2 upper ones. The lower ones onky came halfway through. Keep them if there is no problem. Sometimes they just wanna make money.
@@TheSmiaf Exactly! If they aren't causing pain don't remove them. Doctors oftentimes will see they are coming in and suggest they be taken out for the patients 'benefit' but really they aren't an issue at all and the dentist will just be making money by performing the procedure.
Yeah wisdom teeth removal gave me sunken face
yes ofc, since he is young, he should start mewing and eating hard foods (not just gum but brocolli and meat). he should be able to make enough space in your mouth.
also help him to start working out if you can. Full body weighted movements increase growth hormone and facilitate bone remodeling.
if you have your wisdom teeth, he will most likely have them./ have enough space to have them as well.
the key here is also tongue position and nose deviation, all is connected. Look into mewing
Great video. Very useful for sculpting :-))
It’s nice having a sharp jawline I can’t lie
Very interesting!!! Thank you
Rest in peace, Godfrey. Beautiful inside and out. 0:06
I have bruxism so my jawline is snatched lmao
This was interesting! Glad I clicked.
I always have a recessive chin but now that I am mewing it has much improved and my cheekbones like much more fuller and higher ....
What’s your age? Did it work?
How old when you start it.¿
3:54 definitely the bite force came first. Because a mans naturally higher testosterone levels, the masseter will be better developed and simply stronger, in turn helping the development of a square jaw
I have a pretty sharp jawline, once a girl complimented me on it lol. It was strange. But I don’t like my side profile because of my nose
new dype of dysphoria just unlocked
Now THIS is the video for me
please make a video on what makes madison beer attractive, been waiting for it since 2021 hahaha
as soon as I gained the covid 15 I lost my jawline definition 🤣
Covid 15?
She’s living in 2094
@@BitchChill some people gained weight during Covid, so Covid 15 is a play on the term freshmen 15 which is when new college students gain 15 lbs in their first year of university eating junk foods etc.
Sameee LOL but im happy with my body
@@Southforthewinter lmao! Thx you for explaining 🤣
I know this video is older, but hopefully my question is still heard: What do you think about neck width, for both sexes but particularly for men? Is there a double edged sword of the neck being positively dimorphic for men but at the same time perhaps it makes a jaw look proportionally less wide or affects the shadow of a profile view in a negative way?
There's a so many year old "meme"/not-meme of training neck for a more masculine aesthetic. You seem like that kind of guy to ask about this.
Can you make a video about the masseter muscles? Considering that it’s the muscle that gives a square jaw, it would be nice for you to go over it
Can you make a video on how to get rid of eye bags. Mine our my biggest insecurity.
1.sleep 2.add som cream over yr eyes 3. THE REAL FIX bring ur maxilla foward good luck with that though
@@yungtaoshiwan4144 How can i bring my maxilla forward? Without surgery? Would mewing works on that?
@@burakgec1262 bruh yeah mewing but u have to do it religiously if u want any good changes, do towel pulling allat, chewing a lot is good for foward growth also u can do face pulling if u got $$$ or thumb pulling but thumb pulling = dedication foh life(not really but yeah)
accupunture helps too, balances kidneys
By making it more newbie friendly, you will get more viewers. You will also get more silly people who can’t understand the motivation behind the information you are giving them.
Yup that explains why I have such a strong jawline, I started chewing gum when I was like 14 years old or so every day just because I liked it. My face back then was oval/slim like an egg, now with 21 I have an oval/square face shape. I still chew gum every day and sometimes use jawliners and exercises where I bite on a towel with a weight attached to it to do neck curls. I just measured my ramus and it is about 9,4 cm long.(I don't exactly know how to measure it but definitely over 8 cm long.)
Omg I also started chewing gum daily when I was 13 and now I’m 18 and my jawline is really sharp. I never realised that this affected my face so much
@@Philocaliy Yup, meanwhile my brother looks exactly like me but his face is just oval. To be fair he is just 16 years old but I told hin to chew nore gum a few month ago, you can clearly see a little improvement. But that just works during puperty I guess and you only see it at a fairly low bodyfat.
You're massater muscles have grown.
Good luck with TMJ problems in the future bro
how did you chew to grow your ramus? mine is about 1-2cm below average and im trying to get that small bit of growth since my jaw looks a bit too small. Did you chew on your molars? or incisors
What effect does the face and jaw have if your wisdom teeth are removed? Ive read that it doesn’t but I’m not sure.
Nothing changes
Excellent. I can already see where some portraits I've worked on need tweaks. Thanks.
hey! i was wondering if things such as gua shas/face rollers, facial massages and face yoga are effective for making jawlines appear sharper?
Hey, what happened to your video about lupita? I would enjoy more content about analyzing African/black faces.
it got a lot of hate, i think it got lost in translation. people disagreed with the evaluation the lupita had more masculine features as compared to the other lady shown who was said to have very femme features
@@arocks1234567 D:
Spartangum healped me a bunch in my journey🤙
I don't have a strong jaw but honestly I've always been considered good looking.
And to my surprise I realized in East Asia a V shaped face like mine is considered the best one, rather than a wide and squared very masculine jaw: quite the opposite of the western standard.
The thing in common is the jawline must be defined and not retracted tho, which I think is what really matters for the most part.
I'm happy I got a sharp jawline 😁
45 degree angle for the ramus, ideal ?
that's half a right angle, nobody can have such angle on the ramus
he means the part near the ear portion should be 45, not the part near the chin (thats to be 130-135 degrees)
@@arocks1234567 ok thank you, I was looking at the drawing, where "angle" was on the lower part of the ramus. It was confusing
Also 'theoretical' not ideal as in for beauty but for bite force
When I take a picture from a Low angle and tilt my head upwards my eyes look slightly down turned. Is this normal or does that mean I have a negative canthal tilt?
Take it from eyelevel
its normal
@@ShowMeYoBoob even if you have a neutral tilt?
@@willbrooksy478 yes go to a mirror and do the opposite
and it will look like u have slightly positive tilt (if at eye level is neutral of course)
Its normal, your face is suppose to curve or else you will look like a sponge
Lots of interesting information in this video, but the video doesn't really address the question in the title: "Why your jawline never looks sharp". All the video says about that is that chewing soft foods and mouth breathing during adolescence can cause a recessed jaw. Is that it? Where is the data and research to support this? I find it hard to believe that people with recessed jaws were simply fed too much mushy food as kids, while people with defined jaws were simply fed nuts and beef jerky a lot when they were kids. What about genetics? Is there evidence to show that defined/recessed jaws run in the family? What can be done to make the jaw more defined? What about mewing, chewing harder foods, nose breathing, etc? This video seems to focus on all of the aspects of this topic that aren't applicable.
u guys have two podcasts on Spotify but I can find only one on google podcasts app :(
Will update!
I feel like I should be paying to watch this content.
Watching this video while mewing
One example of sharpest jaw is Matt Stonie, his content is basically eating alot of food from hard to chewy.
Hello quotes I really appreciate that you support orthotropic ideals.
I’m so scientifically ugly 😭😭
I used to have a really sharp jawline not that it's bad these days but I would sometimes catch myself mouth breathing usually after an intense workout which I now fixed & meditate while mewing while I catch my breath but still once in a while wake up breathing out of my mouth.
7:56 So for men the AFTER picture is attractive and diamorphic?
I don’t know if anyone can answer this, but I’ve seen pictures of my dad when he was younger (20’s and 30’s) and he had no strong jawline.
But then I see pictures of him right around the time he turned 40, and all of a sudden he’s got a pretty defined square jaw. It’s crazy because my dad was never fat or anything (he is now around 60) was in the army right up until he retired around 40 years old, and he didn’t lose a ton of weight around that time from what I remember. My dad was never fit and never had “muscles” from working out. His jawline somehow got more masculine and pronounced around late 30’s/early 40’s.
Can anyone explain why this is?
You lose facial fat as you age, some more than others.
Guys I need help, my face from the front looks fine, everything looks normal, HOWEVER my side profile sucks. My nose looks too big due to my lack of a jaw line. How can I define my jaw line naturally? Should I lose weight? or Mew? (tbh I have no idea how to mew) btw I'm 19 if that helps with anything
Nothing you can do to change your bone structure, but low body fat and good posture can help with you looking better.
Loosing weight will always slim the face down, but you can chew gum a lot.
mewing, and working out, and eating foods like brocolli and meat!! chew chew chew, workout heavyy, get used to keeping your tongue up and pusing uppp
See a orthodontist.
@@bluewarrior6946 is this safe for people with TMJ?
Can someone explain/help if someone has 'connective tissues' in face? Like, I have it since I was a kid, my beautician (who is also a doctor( told me it doesn't matter how mich weight I lose, I'll always have a puffy round face and no sharp jawline😖 I hate my face structure soo mich I really struggle with it and my confidence. I did once Hyaloron at my beautician for a sharper jawline and thinner face but it doesn't gave me the effect - because of my connective tissues in my face. Please help
(Sorry for my english, it's not my first language)
Connective tissue is what keeps your body from falling apart, everyone has connective tissue in their entire body including face.
@@lucheeese I googled it from germany (starkes Gewebe im Gesicht) to english idk what exactly it means in english
@@Lucy-ug8qg I also don't know what you mean by "connective tissue". You kinda gotta find the right terms for us to understand your question
I googled that German phrase and got "strong tissue in the face" which is still a bit confusing....maybe you have a more soft face....I don't know your age or whether you're a man or woman, which definitely factor in on whether you'll see changes brought on by aging to full maturity.
I got some real advice here. If you have horrible bone structure there is a way to increase bonesize like making your ramus or jawline bigger. This is called bonesmashing, its a controversial topic but it is a legit way of increasing bonesize. I def would recommend the use of mk677 along with bonesmashing to make a (permanently) defined jaw
Can we do Richard madden?
I have a long ramus but my jawline is still pretty weak. I don’t have an overbite anymore but I used to. I also have pretty wide cheekbones but they seem really flat. Could this mean that I have a recessed maxilla? I read an article about it and I had many of the symptoms, like: upper teeth not showing when speaking, flat upper face, square looking face and tongue not having enough space on the roof of my mouth.
I love this
Personally looking at the thumbnail sure her jaw was soft on the before image but the after made her look way too masculine imo honestly the before was way more attractive could even say her jaw looked good
I agree
I think so too, the image on the left looks way better.
Interesting thank you!
I have a really small ramus for a male but luckily I have a tight jawline that makes up for it.
whos the model in 7:46?
I have recessed lower jaw and it makes me look so ugly
Everybody just needs to mew. It’s free & no surgery needed. Look up mike mew on TH-cam.
Nice to know that basically the only scientifically attractive thing about my face is my alarmingly sharp jawline. 😂 Thanks dad!
Also, despite being East Asian he also contributed a relatively high nose bridge so his legally half-blind daughter's glasses actually have something to grip! ("High" for my rather flat E/SE Asian face, anyway.) He also gave me epic eyebrows! I would've made such a heroic Wuxia main chara if I were a man. And over 5' tall. With a more symmetrical face. Alas. (I KNOW you know what I'm talking about. Quite literally all of them has that "double bladed" eyebrow style. Every. Single. One. Go on, go check. It's freaking hilarious.)
Now just gotta build up that bod so I can be the female version of all of those male models on the covers of modern bodice rippers. Like, seriously, there's never a full face of the men, or women! Just the impossibly swole jawline, shoulders that don't quit and a "washboard" stomach. (Who knows what a washboard even is, or looks like, these days?! Crap, just revealed my age.)
Same, (I'm a girl) I get my sharp jawline from my dad (square head) and perfectly thick arched eyebrows from him. I'm currently working out, not to look good, mainly to stay healthy. 👍
Thanks for making me feel less alone in the fact I find a lot of East Asian guy’s eyebrows attractive
A worms delight! 💀🐛 😉
I'm half-Japanese (male), and I think I lucked out in literally every respect. I felt like you were describing me
I feel like a high nose bridge is a bother, though. Or at least it might be my combination of high nose bridge and high cheek bones, because there are always gaps between surgical and n95 face masks and my face right next to my nose, unless I tape the top border down. This despite always using the internal metal bands to shape the mask into a more snug fit.
Top vídeo bro
I now have a scientific proof that i am ugly.
yaay
great timing im through this shi rn
Who else took a side profile pic to check for that shadow?