Subaru Crosstrek Sport vs. Ford Bronco Sport: Off-Road AWD Shootout
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- In one corner: the little 2021 Ford Bronco Sport First Edition with a turbo-four and twin-clutch rear all-wheel drive. In the other, Subaru's off-road ready 2021 Crosstrek Sport with a 2.5-liter naturally-aspirated engine and symmetrical all-wheel drive. Which can master our Test Hill? The results may surprise you!
#ford #subaru #offroad
CONTENTS
00:00 - Introduction
02:12 - Garter Road (soft dirt offset)
07:01 - The Rattler (rock trail)
12:45 - Sidewinder (logs)
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These videos are gold. No manufacturer would ever show legit tests of their vehicles like this. It makes my purchasing decision so much more clear. Excellent video!
yes, like don't buy either one unless you want to do an engine replacement soon.
He said you could buy a 4 Runner for 40k. Please tell me where this 4 Runner is located. I’ll buy it.
@@thefix2573 it would be the transmission going out first without 30k mile fluid changes. engines on both of these vehicles are solid.
@@tommyh.8391 Negotiate it down to 40K? They're selling at $40,500 MSRP. Dealer fees and delivery aren't an issue with the smallest effort.
Love my CrossTrek but some of these courses are going pretty far beyond just how off-road the CrossTrek is intended to be capable of. Can it do it...sure...but you're pushing its intended design capabilities. That being said, props to you guys for recognizing, given its design and price point, it did well enough. Most reviews don't even bother to give that credit.
Not in the Northwest. These are normal everyday logging roads for hiking and climbing. I like my Crosstrek but disappointed in asymmetric Symmetrical All Wheel Drive.
@@djk9324 i have a Forester and mind you, SAWD is just a marketing gimmick. For real, symmetrical drive you need triple differential lock. That said, with X mode is good value for the money for a polivalent SUV. The car's book clearly states the car is not a hardcore all terrain vehicle. The use in this video clearly exceeded the design intention.
He is in washington eastern
Nobody is going to do these crazy things 99% of the time. It's a good enough off-road vehicle, just like the Ford Bronco Sport is for being a small SUV.
Impressive setup. For an independent channel to have its own course is great. Thumbs up!
All this shows is anyone wanting to go in this type of terrain should never bother with these type of vehicles. But great to see that even the Crosstrek can struggle through it if absolutely you had to get through something like this terrain.
We have Tommy a TFL car mocking this course. TFL has become annoying of late.
@@arunmaroli5946 what episode?
@@arunmaroli5946 Yes, I'd love to know which ep as well
Yes I agree with most of your comment, but both vehicles can be made to be able to go through these obstacles easier, just not from factory.
@@EricTheRed122 I actually disagree with that, i think both of those vehicles could go up it easier if you just go a little bit faster. I get there suppose to be testing how good the AWD is, but still, you can really make it through anything if your going fast enough. and you dont have to go so fast you break something, just give it a little more speeeeeed
I'm surprised at how well the Crosstrek did. I'm not as familiar with the Bronco Sport since it's a relatively new vehicle, but I've been following Crossstreks for a while. This is an absolute torture test for a Crosstrek, and as much as people want to argue it, the Crosstrek just isn't an off-road vehicle. It's great for gravel, hardpack, dirt roads, mud and snow. But it's not a rock crawler or a serious off-road machine. It just doesn't have the ground clearance, tires or transmission for such tasks. Despite all that, it did surprisingly well in this test which is, in my opinion, a worst-case-scenario for someone in a Crosstrek.
And the interesting part is, that i think crosstreck is expencive i think. In europe i bought XV/crosstreck for 24 000 something. and bronco is 40000 still. so i think 16k difference is alot .. like a new car difference.
So still i think subaru did just fine. So im happy, now i want to see outback, because i have it :D
Yeah im getting the 22 limited crosstrek and I have an 09 limited outback and I have put my outback through some rugged trails in maine and it actually managed pretty well for 190k miles all original parts...subarus aren't beasts but for the price you can't find any other vehicle that competes with the crosstrek right now and all the tests I've seen are on loose dirt while they handle deep snow like a truck because of the wheel spin they dig down and get the traction they need and if the ground it relatively solid under those tires they can climb but if you got them going up a loam pile with no traction those wheels are obviously going to keep digging...but also with that ground clearance you can get a running start without having to worry about compression of the springs...I've never driven that slow on trails and I've never been stuck or broke anything
Why people take these crosstrek for more hardcore off-roading is beyond me. However, they're great for lose dirt, rain, snow and light mud. Had a blast driving mines on a sandy beach.
i own the first gen crosstrek with pretty standard tires and stock ride height, took it to an OHV park camping last weekend and it blew me away. mines a 5spd manual so it requires a bit more finesse but this little car shocked me
Agreed, they can handle small washouts and sippy holes, but are far from what id call an offroader, i think soft roader at best, but really more of an all weather on road vehicle, and am sure its great at that, but honestly if you want an offroader buy an old beater like an old blazer or a first or second generation nissan pathfinder and mod it a little and go party
I’d love to see a bronco sport vs outback wilderness. They seem similar in price and it looks like it has been more capable than a crosstrek
@@nomadmav7040 that’s what I’m saying though. The bronco sport is $40k and so is the outback wilderness. Better comparison
Agreed. I feel that this comparison was decent but the Bronco is clearly more of an off-road vehicle than a Crosstreck. Meanwhile the Outback Wilderness is for this type of terrain. Also, I bet if you looked at the difference in fuel economy that might put things in even better perspective.
Forester Wilderness will be an even better one because the price and size will be comparable
Check out the Bronco Badlands version and save 5k with all the off-road hardware.
@@FriENTlyFire that forester is going to be awesome! I wish they put the turbo in it though. Missed opportunity.
with the Subaru .he kept lifting his foot off the accelerator stopping momemtum ..and virtually was stop starting instead of getting into it ..poor driving skills ..
as a Subaru driver for the last 15 years I will say that you need to approach hills like these with a bit more speed and it will do it easy peasy, my Forrester does hills like those in the desert mountains here in sw NM ..
Yeah something didn't seem right about this. Even my old 2004 Legacy does pretty well on icy slopes.
He was showing the difference between brake vectoring and torque vectoring. With enough speed and momentum anything 2 or 4 wheel drive can get through obstacles.
My Corvette got over plenty of obstacles with speed. But that's not what this test is about
Yes he was but at the same time he was showing the caipability as well so not a fair test in my eyes. Where he had trouble I would have it with ease with the crosstrek@@dannyv2335
I also believe it was more than a bit unfair to run the Bronco first over every course and let it chew the course up before the Crosstrek.
But, that may be the Crosstrek owner in me. I am just happy the Crosstrek finished every course 👍😃👍
agreed! especially the crosstrek was already at a disadvantage given the fact that the bronco had better wheels
Not bad for the crosstrek besides it’s disadvantages.
Would like to see how the Outback Wilderness can handle the course!
Same as that XV more or less. Same drivetrain plus more power but minus longer wheelbase and weight. And similarly horrendous overhangs.
I second that! The whole Wilderness line: Outback, Forester, and the others as they come out.
@@bakhtiyarpakhirdinov2461 Totally different drivetrain
@@bakhtiyarpakhirdinov2461 they did cut down the overhang on the wilderness but it’s still pretty big
@@idkwhattonamemyself5513 what's principally different between the latest Crosstrek and Outback? Other platform than what Subaru started calling SGP? Boxer engines? The so-called "symmetrical AWD"? CVTs? Suspensions?
Honestly, I came more for seeing your new track than for seeing these two soft roaders. Great content you guys!!!
😆🤣🤣 💀 I drive a soft roader 🙁
I so agree, great content!
Id love to see the Rav4 TRD on this course. And of course Karleena Gore 😍
Make sure to disengage traction control when using x-mode in difficult terrain.
Agreed. Also helps to put cvt in L.
L1 and S mode as well. Yet another test without using the car to its full capability. Also with the tires being different the test is void. Those tires function completely different on that terrain. If anything the Crosstrek handled it better given the tires were worse 😂
He should have used Xmode 2, it helps allow more soon and even more aggressive braking. I think given a 11k difference, it still did pretty good!
If there's one thing I've realized about this channel it's that the guy that does the driving really can't drive for shit..... And because of his ignorance these test results are often skewed one way or another.
How is this done? Disengaging traction control?
Fantastic video as always! I really enjoy seeing these off road tests giving these AWD systems fits. Keep them coming, please!
Another great review,i have a 2021 crosstrek limited with same wildpeak i have been on very rough road and its a perfect tire for a 2-3 time a year offroad ! Keep up the good work !
This is one of the best TH-cam channels out there! I always appreciate how sincere you are. Great job! Any chance we'll see you review the Santa Cruz soon?
This is not a joke lmao. Great work guys, that’s some impressive trail work, not the easy stuff we always see.
I love that he mentions the price difference. I see a lot of videos comparing the Crosstrek to vehicles that are $10000 to $20000 more.
Can’t wait for this terrain in winter time. A whole new game!!
The Bronco has more options with its AWD system, thus it will still do better in the snow.
Subaru is fail
I was thinking the same thing! Bring on the snow!
Subaru fail harder in snow🥺
@@JRs-guitars that Subaru will be f***** in the snow.
My Badlands cost 33K which has the same off-road functions as the First Edition. The FE has all the luxury items which raises the costs more. 33K is still more than the 29K but it is much closer in price range which would put them closer is price for people to consider between the Subaru. Thanks for showing the capabilities of each-good video!!
plus you get led vs halogens....crosstrek is too small....im personally shopping bs, full bronco with manual and used outback with manual....would buy outback wilderness tmmw, but dealer is 6hrs away, warranty work would be pita
100%
Add rear locker on the badlands.
@@Sworksfsr that's standard on badlands
I mean the base crosstrek is also nine grand cheaper than the tested model
The Bronco Sport gets way more hate then it deserves. I think it's the perfect modern Bronco 2 and it does what it was built for perfect, being practical and capable
I just said this. It is the bronco 2.
There's hate for the bronco Because it's way Over priced and it's a ford and won't last!!
@@bwaters698 ignorant comment, overpriced right of the bat yes, but just because it's made by a certain brand doesn't mean it won't last or be reliable. Don't be ignorant.
@IA Vagabond Only 1 being ignorant Is You ,You Know Nothing about me or how many ford's I have owned or my family I have over 50 yrs of owning vehicles of all makes That's probably longer than you have been alive ,So you're the only 1 being ignorant ,Have nice day
@@bwaters698 get called out for terrible logic get mad lol, I don't care about you all I know is right off the bat you're argument is ignorant logic. Have a good day
Just took delivery of a Bronco Sport Badlands, in large part to this video. Thanks so much for what you do. I liked and I am subscribed!!!
These videos are so useful for me as someone considering moving from a proper 4x4 to an AWD. Thanks! Hope to see more like this.
Why do that move ?
@@nozopoke1782 Cost of fuel mainly. My pickup gets horrible mpg. And I'm getting tired of driving a big vehicle. Still need something capable in snow though.
@@NothingCoherent that makes sense
Crosstrek aftermarket keeps getting better. Add skids, winch, rear locker, and AT Trails. Keep the 30+MPG hwy.
@@NothingCoherent fuel will go down once this idiot is out of office. :)
I have the base model 2021 crosstrek with a manual transmission. I have taken it down hydro access roads in northern Ontario and I must say it does surprisingly well. However a truck is definitely ideal but my Subaru has never let me down.
Having some off road experience in my past I just want to say if you stop while trying to climb a hill It is really hard to get started again. It can also be deceiving as to where you stop and start so don't know how accurate the test is.
That's this dudes whole schtick on every video.... Stop the vehicle, fiddle with a bunch of dials and settings play with his infotainment screen for 30 seconds and then sit there spinning tires, while talking about it being a tricky situation. Anyone who's ever driven a Subaru or any other vehicle "off road" knows that you use momentum to maintain forward progress in quite a few situations and it's part of the skill set of wheeling to recognize how to approach various obstacles before you get to them. Like the "show areas where Subaru can improve" at the end.... He literally comes to a stop during a turn on a incline just so he can say that.
Keep in mind this is the kind of guy who thinks driving on a forest road with 6" of snow is "off roading"
@@pulda015 I couldn’t have said it better! I drive off road for a living being an earth mover and I own a plain Jane cross trek. I know it’s limitations and yet can do a lot more than this vid failed on. At work most of us have standard issue 2WD trucks that do way more just because we know how to drive them.
Yep all these modes (Nannies ) are momentum killers.
I love the tires on your Crosstrek. They're on my 09 Outback. Absolutely perfect for a daily/weekend warrior rig. I'm really excited to see a shootout between a bronco sport badlands and Forester Wilderness when you're able to get your hands on one. That seems more apples to apples
The truth is the truth. the FBS ate the road much easier than the Crosstrek( and I own a Crosstrek just like that one). The Subi did the job but it did struggle. The good thing is that I am not planing on driving mine on a road like that “ever”.
I have a Forestor and live and CO and I would never take my Sube up the things he was doing and I am on mountian roads all the time.
Also - for $40k you could buy a Toyota TRD Tacoma and putting $40k into a 1st gen Ford is a bad investment. That thing won't be in the road in 5yrs
@@gh7213 I own a heavily modified 98 Wrangler, a 2010 Forester, and 2012 Impreza and also live in CO. As much as I adore my TJ (Wrangler), both of those Subies are very capable vehicles. I've taken both down Hotel Gulch and some other rocky trails, like this guy was attempting, with no issue. I went fully expecting my follow-ups to have to rescue me. Smart driving/line picking combined with Toyo ATIII's they both handled extremely well!
@@hannibalhamlin4375 awesome! It usually just me out there alone with my dogs and my biggest fear is getting stuck so I take it pretty conservative. That's awesome that you are pushing the Forester with no issues. I also have a wrangler that we enjoy as well.
@@gh7213 that's really smart when you're on the trails alone. I wish more people (including myself the first time out ever off-roading, in the Jeep no less 😑) would be more conservative when they're alone. It's just safer. One of these days you should drag your Subi out with some people and see what that baby can do! It's not a Wrangler, they're still a lot of fun 😊
@@hannibalhamlin4375 I have to agree with you when it comes to tires, a big difference. My wife in her 08 RAV4 V6 limited was almost able to follow me and my 06 4Runner in MOAB primarily because we have the same brand of tires (Hercules Terra Trac ll AT ) on our rigs plus knowing which line to take also makes a difference when it comes to having fun and exploring.
It is kind of funny that Subaru AWD always makes the hardest of terrain look "easy".
Sweet course and a nicely done review. I like how this just popped up in my feed considering I’m picking up my Crosstrek Sport today. My wife already has a Bronco Sport Big Bend, which is more the direct comparison with similar engine power.
I doubt we’d ever take either vehicle through something like that, but it’s good to see the capabilities.
I have enjoyed your videos on the Bronco Sport. As a recent new owner who hasn’t did any “off-roading” in our 2022 Bronco Sport Badlands yet it gives me assurance that it will handle what we will need it to do. 👍🏻
Karleena is back 😍
What a great way to spend my lunch time, watching one of her videos, and Ryan is cool too.
😍is right! She’s so cute….
@@cornbread70s4 Yes sir, she is. 😃
I've always liked Ryan's reviews but paired with Karleena they're even better. Nice job guys!
Fun episode. I really appreciate how you test vehicles. I also like the perspectives from both you and Karleena. Thank you.
Love your guys channel. I am so impressed with the little Bronco Sport. I would love to see a Ford Escape 2.0 AWD with the Falkens vs. the Bronco Sport.
I'm looking forward to seeing how the Crosstrek Wilderness turns out, but I'm also REALLY looking forward to checking out the BRZ after watching your recent video...gonna be tough when my lease is up in '23. I'm digging the new course...not as much as the Crosstrek when it decides to switch out of X-Mode, but I still dig it!
Not that the video needs it, but it would have been nice to have some type of "control" scenario. Like maybe have the 4runner drive up to show it is possible to make it up these obstacles easily.
totally agree
He’s done the tests with his 4Runner already in his videos when making the course. It’s very safe to assume when he designed the course he used the 4Runner as a baseline
I haven’t checked yet, but it’d be nice if he did an ‘intro to the course’ using the 4Runner. I’d assume it can just crawl up this but after seeing the Baby Bronco struggled, I’d imagine even the 4Runner would have a bit of slippage.
Then use a Jeep.
@@rediron44 I live near death Valley. Once you get past a certain point up in the mountains all you see are Jeeps. I used to have a 4Runner and loved it but now I have a Jeep. No comparison. However, if I did more highway driving I would definitely prefer the Fourunner. But it's okay, I tow my Jeep with my F-350 which is comfortable.
Go look for the video of the Bronco Sport that rolled down a hillside. See how the passenger cabin remained intact, very impressive and worthy of itʻs safety rating.
The theory I’ve heard is that Subaru allows additional wheel spin because braking the spinning wheels too hard would exceed the allowable torque at that speed for the CVT. I’ve seen similar behavior with other CVT based cars too.
and i think that is the error of subaru, i think they should use something better for offroad type cars. but i get it, because XV is a small crossover for country roads and some gravel.
A guy who gets his own off-road courses built for reviews. Now that's impressive!
Subaru has been designed for much higher speed, when you're driving a rally course or if you like to drive dirt roads with a lot more control.
The CrossTrek is in fact built on the chassis of the Impreza, so maybe it could be compared with the Outlander.
Nice review! Can't wait to see the 21 Honda Ridgeline or Passport on this course!
Bronco Sport is the clear winner here - damn that AWD system seem as good as a true 4WD!
never seen so few views... oh wait it was posted like 3 minutes ago. I've never been so early!! Can't wait for this one
Yo, great video, love your new course. Woupd be cool to see the Ford bronco sport vs the Honda passport since they both have torque vectoring and seem to be the same size. Plus any other small crossover with torque vectoring like the Jeep Cherokee.
You are doing such a good job with this channel. Congratulations. You deserve millions of subscribers.
Good video. Cool course. I just added the Wildpeak trail tires to my "new" 2018 grand Cherokee. So far they did well off road but we'll see how they are off road with snow this winter in Flagstaff!
if they come out with a Crosstrek wilderness it would be more evenly matched (Or even with the Forrester wilderness)
Great content. The Subaru having sensible tires for a crossover was a good choice imho even though that made a performance difference. Was into buying an 4wd Impreza, but now I know that the crossover is also not just a city toy. Subbed, liked, deserved!
Chuck Norris would be proud ;-)
Love the video. Great explanation of the setups. More please!
I always give your videos a thumbs up, I think I prefer your usual off road course in the mountains, its easier to compare as a viewer.
Clicked on this at the speed of light.
the problem with the crosstrek is the CVT is gonna burn out if you're constantly having to stand on the accelerator with no wheels spinning like that. it's just not a good design for anything other than slippery pavement or packed flat dirt roads
The crosstrek just isn't strong enough. The Outback Wilderness would destroy this course
@@BMW_DAILY Nah, it's let down by the CVT just like the crosstrek
@@chir0pter not with the extra power and using manual mode, plus the trans cooler is very effective since its used in the Ascent for towing 5k lbs
@@BMW_DAILY the issue is not engine power, the issue is the transmission cuts power to the wheels when multiple wheels slip. doesn't brake them, just cuts power
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@@chir0pter I have an '18 manual... and it shames the CVT versions it's really a crime that subaru still forces CVT on so many upper models.
Subaru has really thrown their reputation into the mud in search of MPG gains with CVT. Subaru really needs to make an 8-10spd auto and allow higher HP engines on Manuals.
This channel is great ive been watching TFL a lot but these test are a lot more consistent and look more demanding on the vehicles without causing damage of course.
The father and son from TFL sucks! I stop watching them. They have it against Subaru and it is so obvious that it really bothers me. One thing is for anyone to dislike a brand and another thing is to have an agenda against that brand. Brian is so professional that he give you confidence with any vehicle.
Awesome! It's great to see the new course being used!
By the way, the "rear locker" is a tuned version of the limited slip differential in the focus performance model.
It maybe uses the same component, but Bronco has true vectoring axle, Focus is break based just like Subaru
@@tallll70 he means the focus RS which has a rear clutch pack to transfer to work same as the Bronco Sport Badlands
@@jcollins0615 Actually thanks, i don't have the full knowledge how this works, i just remember reading about Focus awd using only break vectoring, but if there is rear axle with clutches, why they say it has break controlled system?
Went about how I expected though if you do a future comparison like this I would have the less aggressive vehicle go first and go for a tire with a similar off-road riding if you can't find the exact same tire and the exact brand for the comparison. Just a suggestion though great video as always.
awesome video... like usual... and glad to see Karleena again.. keep it up man.
I'm glad you addressed the momentum factor. I knew that you were crawling because this is a test, under test conditions, but I felt it needed to be mentioned. Momentum (not to be confused with speed) would be the way to get through any of this with no trouble in either vehicle.
Neither one of these is a true off road vehicle, they are off road capable commuters. For most people this is a better way to go. Sure, you can buy a 4 Runner for $40k if you get a great deal on a base model, but you will spend thousands more in gas over the time that you own it.
My wife and I recently purchased a Bronco Sport and we love it. I haven't tried it off road yet, and when I do it will be pretty tame. Just enough to get us to our camping destination.
Living in the Denver area means that we would lose a Subaru in a parking lot because it would just disappear in a sea of Subarus.
I think you had a slight oversight. The driving style I think needed to change more between the two vehicles. Also would like to see you dropping gears as well. The rock garden and the first hill would have been easier with the crosstrek had you put it in first gear manually to ensure it kept the torque of the lower gear. Of course just my opinion. Great video!!
I agree with driving style, it seems like he let off the gas whenever either vehicle would start to move.
Great review, very good details. For the money, the Crosstrek is a good choice. The Baby Bronco is a small size off road vehicle that seems to be very capable.
I have a 16 trek. I got it to get me through some snow and not feel white knuckled 😃. So far I haven’t needed anything for off road. I’m not planning on upgrading any time soon. The wilderness edition outback and new forester look pretty cool though. The xmode has also been upgraded too. Nice video. Hopefully your wife doesn’t find anything wrong with her ride.
I think the natural contender for the bronco sport is the subaru forester, because of price, size and motorizations. I really want to watch that comparizon!!! Great channel by the way!!! Congrats!!!
This comes across as an unfair test, especially knowing full well the Bronco had the more off-roadie tires than the Subie, which clearly kicked up the dirt loosening the surface, why wasn’t the Subie allowed to go through the course first?
Came here to say the same. The lesser equipped vehicle should always be first.
Correct
well then equip the subi with better wheels! also he flattened and reput the dirt back on the track
Plus he drove the subi slower. And more careful. Didn't want his wife yelling at him
After reading and watching so many Subarus vs. true 4x4 vehicles with locking differential, the Subarus are truly outclassed. I’m a diehard Subaru owner but they just aren’t as capable as a 4x4 like this Bronco Sport. Wildness mode or not, they just struggle more and don’t perform at the level of their competitors.
The Soob is basically aimed for a different market. It isn't a serious off-road mountain goat, but it is light-years more capable than most compact sedans in its price class. So is the Impreza.
My need is for a long distance highway cruiser with room for two medium-size dog crates and the ability to get home if the weather turns nasty.
Great video guys. I know you tested a Jeep Gladiator Rubicon before, but would love to see you test a Gladiator Willys or a Sport S model on your course to see how it performs without lockers and all of the goodies. Since most average Joe's life me can't really afford Rubicon or Mojave. Thanks, keep up the great content.
I love my crosstrek because it’s perfect for the city life with occasional camping trips. Tow hitch and roof rails added for exterior storage. Broncos are really great cars for off-roading but I don’t want to daily one with its gas mileage
Take the Rav4 TRD there too! The 2021 with the skid plates to see how capable it is!!
Saw one of those the other day in a parking lot. It at least looks VERY capable.
@@ropersix yeah looks pretty cool, its supposed to have the same Torque Vectoring AWD that the adventure or the Limited, but would really love to see how capable is that rav4, honestly is way better looking than the bronco or any suv in its class (in my opinion), i’m currently owning a Limited Hybrid but would love another vehicle to play around
@@robertoavalosjr.2529 My wife just bought a TRD Rav... It does have the torque vectoring AWD, Falken Wildpeak Trails, has more ground clearance to with the offroad suspension... It's very nice but really haven't been able to test it doing anything special
@@FusionBoost2.0 i saw a video from TFLcar, where they put 3 wheels in rollers and just one with traction and it managed to get out, but if I’m not wrong it has the same clearance of 8.6 inches as the adventure or the limited
@@robertoavalosjr.2529 Yup just 8.6
Sub Forester 2.5i is maybe the best dual purpose car. Body on frame cars are much better off roaders but they are huge, heavy, burn a lot of fuel and they are dismal on road. I still dream for Suzuki Jimnny 4-door version but ...yeah dreams.
You somehow deliver on every random question I have in my mind lol I love this channel
This is a great post - we have Falken Wildpeak A/T Trails on our Foresters but we just do snow on roads and deeper snow in the occasional sketchy parking area .......... works for us so far - thanks .
Great course but I don't see any of the owner of those soft-roaders using them that way. But it's good what they can (can't) do.
Could you try x-mode 1 and esp off next time? And would it help to lock first gear in manual mode? Anyway great video! It would be great to see wilderness subarus here :)
Great review! Not only is the Ford more money it gets worse gas mileage as well. I will totally agree that if you plan on doing this type of off-roading then you need the Bronco, but if you just want great capability in bad weather and the occasional forest or back road then the Crosstrek is the better choice. My wife just got a new Crosstrek Limited and we did swap to 17's with Nitto Nomad Grapplers but I have a Gladiator so if we are really going off-road then we will take mine.
Tires are everything. We see this over and over and over... The commercial "because so much is riding on your tires" is so incredibly true.
I would like to see one of the 1.5L trim Bronco Sports on the course. Everyone has the badlands (top trim) what about the lower trims? I'll lend you mine (outer banks trim), just don't break it. :)
3 cylinder engine is scam. Lol.
It will shake like hell after few years
Definitely not hard to break a Ford especially a first year.
@@swampssa you have fallen for the scam that Subarus are actually reliable lol.
@@swampssa I've owned mine for a year. Clearly you aren't able to speak on the integrity of the Bronco Sport.
That trim level is not designed for off road. They point that out in many ways. Even the cross-bars have different designs for the "on-road" versions and the "off-road" versions.
Great course and a very good test, really impressed with the baby Bronco, 17:17 you ask "why's it struggling?" Could the CVT be the culprit?
We need the Badlands vs Forester Wilderness. Would be a great video.
Great show shot on Great track...
Would like to test gmc acadia denali though.
Anyway, thanks for putting so good and beneficial show.
Keep it up.
you should let Karleena drive the Subaru. it's like watching someone not sharing their toys.
I’m pretty sure the Crosstrek is his wife’s vehicle 🤷🏾♂️
I get where you're coming from, but I think the key thing about these kind of videos is consistent/controlled variables. She might have a different driving style that could've changed the outcome of the tests. Just a thought 🤷🏻♀️
@@GrullaMustang16 good point
I like this test. It shows how incredibly good the „urban“ Subaru can keep up off-road with a real off-roader like the Bronco.
Both cool cars but i would go for the Subaruy
At $12K less, yeah.
Love a review without a clickbait title! ❤️
One think I've noticed when testing out subarus is they take their sweet time for software to figure things out - you dont want to toast the transmission but holding a little longer would force a power redistribution on some of those times you changed lines.
Great review! How about gas mileage? My Sport gets 35 Mpg on highway. One of the main reasons I bought it over the Wilderness..
I’m glad you mention about the use of momentum and what it tests. There are so many commenters (Subaru owners) attacking TFL for not knowing how to off road and tells them to use momentum.
To be fair TFL also compares Subarus to Ford Raptors and says they can't off road because they can't climb 2 ft tall boulders. There's honestly a lot of silly stuff there.
Great video, subscribed!
of all the videos I've watched, the Bronco Sport (badlands specific) is the best crossover style off-roader. the twin clutch rear is a game changer, and the system just works.
Oh awesome! Can you add more soft-roaders like the Renegade Trailhawk. They’re regularly 25-28k and would slot in nicely here. I’m sure Jeep will send one your way.
great idea. Rumors of the 4xe Renegade Trailhawk coming out in the USA too. Would love to see that tested.
I agree
I had a Renegade Trailhawk and drove it regularly on stuff like this in Southern California. It was well designed and handled roads like this easily, but it was built like an absolute piece of shit. There isn't enough space to describe the giant epic problems I had with it. Granted it was a 2015 and first year, but damn it was the worst built car I've ever owned. Ironically I now have a Crosstrek (with the same Falkens as in the video) - nowhere near as good as the jeep off road but it hasn't left me stranded yet in 36k miles.
@@stilllifewithguitar184 yeah, I heard the same horror stories about the first few years of the Renegade, not just the 2015. They did some pretty nice revisions in 2019 and swapped to a new turbo motor - from what I can tell people love it now.
@@shassabo I've read similar stuff. I really wanted to love mine - it was the perfect car for me, but I had such bad issues not only with the car itself but with the dealerships and corporate. Just beyond awful. I love jeeps, and while I might forgive a lemon, I can't forgive how I was treated, so never again.
Forester or Outback Wilderness versus Bronco Sport Badlands would be more of a fair comparison ...
True, except Subarus will still have their traditional fwd-type platforms with long front overhangs (and long rear overhang, as well, with the Outback), neutralizing some of the ground clearance benefits. I'm no Ford fan, but the Bronco Sport Badlands just looks right, off-road, and doesn't have the liability of a relatively-fragile CVT. The Crosstrek looks like it's being abused, here.
@@kenhoward3512 agree! The Ford BS should be compared to the Cherokee TH
Ah! A fellow Scout Cramer viewer. Thanks for the vid, I've been wanting a Crosstrek
The comparison at the beginning of the video, he says it's the tires but in typical Subaru fashion it just bogs down and stops putting any power down, whereas the Ford was definitely moving power around but it didn't look like it ever just fell flat on its face like Subarus always do.
Back when Subaru relied on mechanical torque vectoring solutions they were amazing off road, now they just bring you to a stop..
My 2018 Crosstrek got totaled by a falling tree last month and insurance is paying me what I paid for it new in 2017. They really hold their value. That being said I may be using the money to buy a Bronco because I dig the boxier design, higher sitting position and a bit roomier interior. Loved that Crosstrek though. Doesn’t look like you can go wrong with either one.
Has nothing to do with its value. Most insurance companies pay for a new car if it's 3 years or newer. How can someone that can afford a new car don't understand insurance?
@@stuartpickles6907 Actually it has everything to do with the value, because the car was technically older than 3 years and they did a 12 page valuation. But thanks for the snarky know it all comment.
@@stuartpickles6907 shut up stuart
One thing i would like to see is how the crosstrek does with dedicated off road tires
Good comparison. With that said I love my 2023 BS badlands addition. I got every option except for leather seats for $36,000. With 250HP and 277ft.lbs of torque and all the GOAT modes this thing is a hoot to drive both on and offroad.
Bronco Sport has surprised me more and more, I'd definitely pick one up if I were looking for a vehicle in this class.
mine is in production next week, can't wait toget it!
A water crossing section should be added to the course. I feel like I've put my Crosstrek through worse... But I'm pretty sure I would have gone though those sections 2x as fast and momentum carry me. Curious how the Falken Wildpeak at3w compares to the Continental Terrain Contact A/T.
No doubt. That's Jeep speed when you have knarly tires and lockers front and rear. It would do it without wheel spin. I'd give these guys some more speed to carry the momentum.
The Continental Terrain Contact A/T's are more comparable to the Wildpeak A/T Trails, not the A/T3W's. The A/T3W is geared more towards actually off-roading, where as the Continentals and A/T Trails are more for mild (pushing it, low moderate) trails and everyday driving (although, the A/T3Ws are good for everyday driving as well).
Exactly. They were stopping on the steepest and softest part of the trail. You have to carry your momentum.
Good video, enjoyed it.
I think there was too much importance placed on the tyres and not enough on the fact that the Bronco has a rear locking dif. Which forget about drive modes, this is physical link which is a massive difference compared to anything the Subaru can do. I would love a crawl abled XV/Crosstreck but they're not the same car. You'r paying for that drive train of locking center and rear dif's.
It is surprising what you can do with a Subi though
Excellent video thank you!
Great video with Karleena. Nice comparison of vehicles.
I think on the first test, if you kept the throttle on, the shifting wheel brake would have worked... letting up is when the subaru got stuck... (my guess comes from watching years of Matt's off road Recovery lol) Let the kit work how you designed it, let tracktion work how the vehicles programed it...
I love my crosstrek especially in the winter (I live in PA so we get a lot of winter weather). IMO the crosstrek is a great daily driver for my life style, but I would not consider taking it off roading or rock crawling like some of these tests.
My Subaru is a 2018 Crosstrek limited btw
Yeah exactly, Subarus are made for snow and a little mud, not for hardcore offroading.
Had a 91 Bronco and now I have a 21 crosstrek sport ,I'm rooting for both lmao. My 91 was badass it at Skyjacker nitros, but the crosstrek is obviously way newer and more reliable, best of all worlds for me tbh
This course reflects well the terrain and roads i usually would need AWD for. and certainly tells me that viscous differentials are not the way for me to go due to the need for wheel slip to "activate" the awd. Maybe helical/Torsen is the way to go?