Miss Weiss described my own sister's experience with mainstream news/commentary media. One day, she came to me and said, "They continue to repeat lies and untruths. I know because I have researched this topic, and what they say aren't merely differences of opinion or perception. They are saying up is down."
Arguing is good as long as death is not the outcome....as long as we are not killing people by the arguments...Please just listen this time and look after yourselves instead of being so argumentative. If it is a philosophical argument but doesn't include people dying..That is a whole different ball game. Please. Carolyn from Canada.
@@carolyncolinhogarth8732 as long as there is a desire to improve knowledge and willingness to change outlook. There are a lot of people that won't kill me, but I'm not going to argue with because they won't budge either way.
He puts "professional" "journalists" to shame as an interviewer. Notice how often he asks "Why?" when he knows perfectly well the answer. He's drawing her out, making her harden and specify her arguments. He's not assuming anything. That is a brilliant interview tactic.
3 years ago I had posted that Jordan Peterson was one of the greatest thinkers of our time. 3 years later nothing has happened to change my mind from that.
Dr. Peterson thank you so much for talking about the ongoing problems that threaten our Universities. I am a graduate student in Rhetoric and Composition and I am struggling because of the lack of free thinking going on in the classroom. Professors nowadays latch on to one viewpoint/narrative and use the same few articles by the same few writers to approach every problem in the discipline. If students try speak out against or challenge these narrow viewpoints/narratives, we face very real negative consequences in the department or institution. Free thinking and free speech are deeply threatened in Universities and not many people are speaking about how dangerous it is.
Success (as an individual) starts and ends with the freedom to fail. Success, like happiness, is never guaranteed, but the pursuit of happiness is infinite. Groups dilute individual freedom and fulfillment.
That is a long way from when I graduated in 2009. I remember teachers often tell me they hadn't thought of such and such that way before. I could actually disagree with a lesson and support my arguments well enough to obtain A+ .
Jordan is such a superb interviewer. He doesn't just accept an answer, he has has his guest delve deeply into why they fell that way, or drew a specific conclusion. A Master at work!
The recent interviews with Russell Brand, Michael Malice, and Bari Weiss all took me by surprise. I wasn't expecting to watch any of them for more than 15 minutes, but I wound up watching all of them to the very end. In each case I learned a lot, gained respect for each of the guests, and enjoyed the time I invested. Thank you for this excellent content.
I have been hearing about Bari for years. Throughout my obsessiveness to always be listening to new voices I had never got around to getting to know and understand where she comes from. Now as of tonight this is my third interview with her and am glad I finally did. I'm glad to know she's out there doing what she's doing and also pleased that she is one of two that have been put in charge of the daunting task of going through the "Twitter Files".. Great interview Jordan.
Probably the best Bari Weiss interview I ever heard. She's shorn off the dead skin and been reborn with clear purpose. She sounds like she's not grinding that old axe anymore. Good for her; and Jordan is a killer interviewer.
@@moe45673 Imagine you change your core beliefs and then vote for the opposite party. Trump or Hilary, Biden or Bernie? Now imagine telling all your friends and family you changes. Not bloody likely.
@@SacredKaw More of us have been left by the Left than you might suppose. I have been an English Liberal all my adult life and now, apparently, that means I am Right Wing (TM) these days.
People, in general, have the ability to identify a genuine person and to recognize the truth when heard. This man took on the entire dark side of the world, dotted the eye of evil AND survived.
I cannot get enough of Bari Weiss, Jordan, Douglas Murray, Andrew Sullivan. It is like refreshing waters running over my brain and soul. They enlighten us with their discourse and common sense analysis of what’s happening politically and culturally in the US and abroad. I am so grateful for each of them even when I have minor disagreements. I have been adrift with my political leanings after 2016. I have come to realize I am not a liberal but a centrist conservative. When did our culture change so drastically that we lack this kind of discourse and intelligent conversation?!!!!! Thank you for this platform.
I was 15 when I almost died in the hospital from pneumonia, after that point I shed all societal expectations and went in whole heartedly looking meaningful adventure in life.Things like Gold mining, building software, inventing random and mostly useless things or backpacking in a remote area. It has brought me limitless internal peace and reset how I view my own trajectory. Life is short, do something that makes you scream with joy. Love you all 💚
unfortunately journalist is nowadays more or less a insult. Therefore I have to disagree, I think dr Peterson is transforming in to a true philosopher, i.e. one outside the academy and institutions (comp with the classic philosophers)
I'd liken him more to Charlie Rose or Louis Rukeyser. A podcast version of Larry King? He's asking specific enough questions to guide the conversation. I first encountered his videos while looking for motivational information, things to help me through an extremely difficult period of about 5 years. He was in a compilation of others. I follow him now, because of his interesting guests.
Another gem Jordan. You have an extraordinary way of going very deep and getting to the heart of the matter with guests. And, as usual, your insights into the issues of our day are breathtakingly revealing. So glad you're back. You look like you're getting stronger each day. Much respect. Much appreciation. Much love. - Joe
I am so grateful for this popcast. Bari is so powerful and clear minded. I felt so stressed because I felt I was in the conversation but could not talk... I was commenting stuff at the same time than you guys. JBP I am so great full for the time I spend with you every day. I've been looking for a mentor and a teacher... And man, you are him. THANKS for been faithful to whatever brought you to where you are. You are someone worth emulating Be blessed
I am totally convinced that it’s truly smarter to be listening to the people who are coming to your program Jordan and they will be saving themselves a lot of money and their agendas fighting against our families lives if we don’t completely get their agendas against our lives future generations anymore because their maybe highly educated people who are truly not willing to be really caring about people who are truly willing to be finding our own truth and grace and truth preaching truth instead of just blindly trusting everything that they are believing is for themselves instead of believing that we’ve been deliberately trying to be believing Christ Jesus words are our own lives freedom and faith for healing our lives and our families future! I have had some people who have been deceived themselves and telling me that it’s all about emptying out our minds and their lives are actually being destroyed by their agendas against our lives because our lives must be truly filled with God’s anointing and wisdom and discernment and faith for healing our lives and our families lives and not willing to be agreeable with their agendas for their empty heads and allowing demons to be taking their own desires for themselves to their lies and deception themselves!
Jordan I’ve been praying for the blessings of Liberty and grace and truth preaching and discernment against evil agendas against our families lives everywhere! I have loved the Jewish people who are truly willing to be listening to the truth and wisdom and discernment and faith for healing our lives between us all and actually not even going out looking for a long time to having our relationship with each other’s lives so much more than our finding themselves in their own evil agendas and their liars agendas against our lives completely loving people and our lives rejecting their agendas against us all because even their agendas are trying to be manipulative and controlling people and telling people who are willing to be actually willing to be honest with others and especially With their Obama’s people who are trying to be telling themselves their truth is truly their own truth and everything else is truly lies everywhere that they have been pushing our lives against to be believing in their own agendas against our lives and our families lives because their actions against our families are going to be finding themselves hopefully not really wanting to be seeing themselves getting their justice that they are deserving themselves!
Quite honestly I’m not surprised at all the people who are trying to be hiding themselves behind their religious beliefs our cultures are truly so deceived themselves and they have not been able to be seeing the evil agendas happening everywhere and so they are believing themselves in our Nation they are believing themselves that they are so helpful in our families lives and our lives are truly going through their lives trouble for themselves and their liars agendas against our lives are trying to be Waking Up call for their agendas and she’s actually doing exactly what we have been trying to be doing and their agendas against our lives are now denying their agendas against our lives in our Nation! We’re all praying God’s divine wisdom and discernment and faith for healing our lives from their liars and their compromising values and instead of offering their help for actually getting our messages out their trying to be stealing our messages and pretending they are doing their right things all along themselves! I love that she is truly willing to be telling people who are willing to be listening to the her and you all the truth and I’m right where you are and believing Christ Jesus is the one who truly is telling me that I’ve truly had to be doing this for years now and grace and truth preaching and wisdom and discernment and faith for God’s anointing and wisdom and going forward or backwards depending on what the people who are liars and manipulative people who are truly knowing their wrongs but not willing to be doing it!
oh they are willing to give it out, but not willing to receive it. they have to be correctly woke all the time and everyone around them have to have ideals and values identical to theirs.
@@kokoroseiheki they don't critique. That requires knowledge and experience. They denounce and chant mantras they have been taught and believe without questioning. That's cultist behavior.
@@MsDFai Each generation will be worse in this failing. The failing is caused by a competitive spirit of being smarter, and more all knowing than the generation before it...just for the sake of winning some "childish better button"...winning at all costs, without clear morals or intentions for "true" improvement ...could be looked at as purely ego seeking winning . A humanity pitted against itself...in competition with your own parent's generation just for the sake of being more competitive.. all because no clear reasons and purposes for being competitive... our societies have built on sand, no foundation...soul of each person must be anchored to true values...the building is crumbling. New language without the baggage is necessary to even talk about this because I will begin to talk about basics that can sound like preaching and we all know the images that can bring up! Or do we?...? Much more conversation needed...but it can be frustrating if the baggage tied to words is solely our source of communicating...a true spirit of love and respect must be present from both sides to continue such conversation with any true and good fruitful results.
This was just so raw and potent. It was a little uncomfortable at first when it started becoming apparent that JBP was pushing Beri's patience, or perhaps comfort, or both... But then you see her pushing through and rising to the occasion and becoming less resistant to following him down these treacherous paths. It was really beautiful how their trust grew.
Perfect way to explain it!! You could tell she seemed upset at first or annoyed. But then pushed through it. And the audience won because of it! Great discussion!
He has retooled his extensive psychotherapeutic skill, informed by sociological and philosophical concepts, into provocative interviewing. Very timely and hopefully influential.
Do you remember Bari was an opponent to Dr Peterson in a rather spiteful public debate regarding political correctness? She also exposed herself on Rogan, I think, and I’m no expert, that Bari is still very Green but she is in a great position to evolve into a formidable public figure.
“What the hell happened at The NY Times?” Been waiting for this conversation! The tension in the back and forth isn’t even really there - such a deep conversation it sounds like an argument when it isn’t. Love this!
Nothing happened to the NYTIMES. They covered up what Hitler was doing. They kissed Stalins ass and lied to the world, denying the Ukranian genocide, the Holodomor. NYT's is trash and has always been trash.
Sulzberger family control. Once you own the houses, cars and a yacht, what's left to do with all those $billions? You buy political influence by 1. Fund creation of political think tanks to push your policies. 2. Lobby/corrupt politicians to enact your policies in exchange for campaign contributions and later, jobs 3. Buy enough media control so you can support your investment and smear/destroy anyone that contradicts your narrative. There, in 3 easy steps, how to corrupt and destroy a nation from within.
Read Mark Levin's book on the NYT ......they have always been a pile of literal shit ......covering up the Russian Revolution as well as Nazism .......... total evil .........
I am going to be selfish right now. With these episodes, you are opening my mind to a portal that has long been closed. In short, you are helping me to awaken a part of my psyche that was in a coma. Thank you, Jordan. What you are doing is incredibly special in this world.
When she is talking about her taking pleasure in her work, helping others express themselves even with ideas contrary to her own; that act is an expression of love. I recognize it with the pleasure I take in my own work helping people reach a solution that benifits them the most, sometimes at the disadvantage of my own company, but motivated by their ultimate benefit. This is love.
You should check her interview with Joe Rogan... She's a dummy, i didn't feel any of that love you talking about, very fake and disingenuous person and clueless about Geo politics.... Funny, how 2 people can have such a different opinion about a person.... TBH, i've only listened 10 min. of this conversation, it seems like a complete waste of time, listening to her for 2.5 hrs...
This series of podcast are the most important made so far. Ever. Not only are they an up to date window into the current state of the world during the cultural wars it is also timeless and will I have no doubt be relevant in 2031 as it is today. I believe that it’s mainly because it’s not sanitised to with an inch of its life.... it’s honest....in 2021 this is a rarity. 🙏🙌🙏🙌🙏🙌🙏
I'm actually in shock at the intensity and knowledge everyone on here displays. It reminds me of the brilliance of MLK and Malcom X and the terrible and terrifying beauty of those times.
Let’s just hope YTbe doesn’t remove such content… like they did to Brett Weinstein and his amazing June 1st discussion with Dr. Pierre Kory of Covid19Critical on the DarkHorse Podcast was removed by YTube for allegedly violating their Community Guidelines… which is BS. It was such a careful and balanced discussion… that talked about Iver mectin … and it being the possible solution for this pandemic Look it up on other platforms or any of their Twit accounts Discussions like this are the most important tools we have right now. Remember to screen record the parts of the one’s you think are important I have so many clips on my phone from deleted videos Especially the one’s that show the Cap itol protestors being peaceful and respectful inside the building, talking to police
Watch the Senate hearing (Dec. 2020), to hear Dr. Pierre Kory and other reputable doctors, discuss their early protocols, to help covid patients, using Ivermectin & other , legal, safe , inexpensive and well established drugs… Unbelievable, how they were ignored by everyone, censored and how shocked,and confused they were at that time. But , they’ve seen the writing on the wall are trying their best, to get the word out
Damn, she's on par with Jordan here, and bold enough to stop him before he interrupts to clearly make her point. What a pleasure to see! No hidden hatred, only discussing what matters and integrity on both sides. J. Peterson is getting back.
@Jeremy Brown Superior to her? She's a guest and they're having a 2 way discussion. Many people have interrupted Jordan, and in serious adult discussions sometimes it's ok to cut someone off if you know they're going to go on a tangent or in a direction that you don't want to bring the discussion.
Wow!!! I have never listened to an interview of this magnitude, almost 2 1/2 hours. Dr. Peterson is simply genius in his ability to delve deeply into every thought, and Bari Weiss is one of the most, if not the most, honest journalist of our time. Thank you!
SMOKE & MIRRORS ---- biology of EVIL ----->>> JP is a freemason.... he's an Expert ILLUSIONIST for the deep state satanic network... ALL followers of JP....Are spiritually NUMB.... Colossians 2:8 -- Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Jesus
Bari has gotten a lot better over the last few years. I enjoyed this conversation a lot more than I thought I would. Jordan is an excellent host and opens up great conversations.
We need to allow public figures to evolve in our minds eye. They are human. And even if she never evolved, her calling attention to the IDW as a reasonable and valuable group was a generous gift.
Thoughtful, concise, and refreshingly non-dogmatic. Watching Bari's evolution has been fascinating. She and Jordan seem to share the same sense of striving to be as articulately precise and honest as possible. I really enjoyed this.
Any estimate on when the Michael Malice episode will release? How long do these interviews get filmed in advance? Feels like two months on that one at least
Be under no illusion Michael Malice is just as vindictive and reactive as any leftist. If he was in Moscow in 1917 he would have being a bolshevik chekist. Read up about the Cheka atrocities wiki. He admires Leopold and Loeb for crying out loud.
The ending to this conversation that Bari delivered with such genuine passion was profound. One of the reasons why I am such a massive fan of Jordan is his intentional pursuit of depth of thought far beyond the superficial “goodies” that brought his guest to their place of prominence or center of attention. It really helps show the genuine character of that person in a way that gives very complete clarity and trust that they are not simply presenting what they think folks want to hear. It’s them fully present. This makes for some truly compelling reason to spend the extended amount of time watching. 👍🏻😎👍🏻
"systemic" got tangled with racism to deflect quesitons. A: Racism B: where ? now A has to come up with something. A: Systemic Racism B: where ? A: everywhere (systemic, DOH) and if you don't see this & agree you are part of it. "Systemic" does not mean that you can skip the cause&effect part of your statement. "Systemic" is a claim, not a proof.
"Systemic" is being used as a motte and bailey. When they use it, they mean that the system (society) is racist, but when you challenge it they point out the systems of racism in society, which there are still several needing addressed. The tell is that they never want to discuss potential solutions to systems of racism, they just want to scream that the system is racist and that they therefore deserve whatever they desire at the moment, up to and including blood.
@@khatharrmalkavian3306 the problem with those that talk about systemic racism is they literally say that any discrepancy in test scoring or job efficiency amongst the races is an example of systemic racism. They do not look at any other causes and in fact if you try to Look for other causes, they label you as a racist lol.. it’s pretty ridiculous But yes, I keep hearing some complain about systemic racism but they never have any ideas on how to fix it. The critical race theory nonsense will Only worsen the problem
@@billsimms2511 unequal outcomes by the system ARE the evidence of systemic racism for those types. Ibrim Kendi says it pretty directly, that when he sees unequal outcomes, he sees racism. Anyone that repeats the "systemic" talking point is implicitly agreeing to that. And Kendi is the same guy that wants a fourth branch of government that can overturn anything the other three do that lead to inequality outcomes. The racial left is pretty explicit that they are using the accusation as a battering ram to tear down or repurpose our entire government and culture in order to gain the power to supposedly rectify that. Of course, once they do gain that power to pick winners and losers, they will abuse the hell out of it, to reward their friends and punish their enemies, same as it ever was.
@@billsimms2511 I mean, they give you ways to fix it: if you’re white you must know you’re inherently racist, and have to pay attention to your biases all the time. And to understand wich biases are these, you have the obligation to read whatever they tell you to read (and only that), listen to minorities and poc without questioning or interrupting, and teach others like you the same. If you disagree it just means you’re evil or ignorant towards your own evilness and must know why you’re inherently evil, and- you got the point. It’s a trap.
Giving a list of people you cannot criticize or be "biased against" is only a way of implying that anyone NOT on the list is unprotected and of lesser value. It is insidious and dangerous
This is why men have become marginalized and more specifically white Cis gendered men. While the elites in this group can somehow manage, imagine the plight of those amongst them who are dispossessed, unemployed, depressed and of lower income groups.
Totally disagree. Dr. Peterson is presenting from an academic perspective and has the practiced rigor of objective argument. He knows what he knows because of multitudinous scientific literature and the fact that his adopted hypotheses haven't yet been disproved; along with, his keen interest and personal observations and beliefs about the consequences of those observations and beliefs. Bari Weiss presents from a fundamental, personal and very deep belief system/understanding based on observation of current events. I found both to be extremely engaged and possessing VERY clear thoughts. If I had to pick a warrior for court, I'd pick Jordan. If I had to pick an inspirational leader for a battle or the second half of the football game, Bari would inspire the warriors on a fundamental, personal and spiritual level. Jordan could obviously do this too but it would be a an exercise for him. She knows what feels right, can make other people feel the same all without having scientific experiments/reviews/data to support her conclusion. Neither side here claims omniscience and both expressed a desire to remain open and ability to grow. So yeah, there is a difference in how ideas are argued but, NO-clarity of thought is not the difference. Both expressed their positions equally well in my opinion. I didn't even detect a perspective clash up to @2:00:50 when I started reading comments. Ms. Weiss seemed to be argumentative several times but only insofar as she was clarifying her vector of thought as opposed to the destination. Dr. Peterson is always a joy to listen to. Ms. Weiss is very disagreeable personality-wise but came across (at least to me) as genuine, forthright, caring and determined. I find no fault with either of them.
@@7h3F33d3r Completely disagree. Weiss frequently makes declarative statements and struggles when challenged to give a rational explanation. Her feelings may be genuine, but she has not explored her beliefs thoroughly. Granted, here she is contrasted with Dr. Peterson, setting an extremely high bar. I don't find Weiss disagreeable per se, and I like some of her writing, but this medium does not play to her strengths.
Shes an affirmative actioned brat with no journalistic chops who has been paid big money to write books about how anti-semitism is everywhere and how we have to invade Syria for Israel right now, its very important ...somehow..
What a powerful ending by Bari when she tells us that the time is now, to come out and speak up against this Woke narrative 🤷♂️ What a tremendous dialogue this was.
@@weignerleigner3037 I was being sarcastic. And no, there isn't. The only good thing about wokeness is it's easier to Identify the people I'll be putting up against a wall when all this crumbles.
"The totalitarian state depends entirely on the dissociation between the public persona and the private viewpoint. And, to the degree that each person is willing to swallow that lie, that's their contribution to the totalitarian state."
That thinness of the veneer they talk about around 1:07:57 hits so close to home. I have always felt that wherever I am after visiting my family in Beirut. I wish more people realised truly how privileged they are in the “west”. All it takes is a little travel and being taken out of the comfort zone.
As usual, I am actually deeply moved by this conversation. Yes, the content, but primarily due to being aware of the immense integrity being utilised. Thankyou.
I saw Peterson speak in Los Angeles in 2019. He had another show in my hometown San Diego down the street from me. At the time the ticket was $95. I said to myself, “it’s too much for me right now, he’ll be back in a year or so”. If I only had the insight I have now to buy that ticket.
I brought my teenage son to see/listen to him in San Jose in 2019. ( just up the road 😊) Changed my relationship with my son … for the better. Thank you JBP.
@@davidvaughn9 He's still there. But why repeat the same thing over and over. What's been said was said. It's permanent on the internet now that anyone can see at any time they wish as many times as they want. Now he's moved on. With a new book out. Who knows. Maybe he'll tour again when the restrictions are lifted with talks based on Beyond Order.
I received my Bachelors in psychology a few years ago, worked in the field for a few years, and really began to just hate my job, the people in the field, and a few other things surrounding that. Well I went back to school, decided I should pursue a career in IT. I am happy that I made the change, received my associates, got my A+, Net+, and I am working on my Sec+ (Still have yet to land that first job though) but listening to Jordan Peterson reminds me of what attracted me to the field of psychology to begin with.
I am another former psychology major who went into tech. Even got an MA. Then decided that maybe it would be nice to make actual real money 😂 Weird how that works.
Wow crazy that you went into psychology and finished in IT. Do you ever see yourself coming back? I just got my bachelor's in psychology. The field needs individuals with grounded perspectives.
@@janeann3331 Well I would not say I finished, the reality is I am just getting started. To answer your question, I do not see myself returning to the field. I do wish you the best of luck, I hope you find a position that is fulfilling and rewarding.
I have been in IT for over thirty years, and now find psychology fascinating. Because it's providing me a foundational understanding to people I never had.
You can’t imagine how hopeful I am after hearing this great podcast. Hearing two people I admire and respect have the courage to say what needs to be said is truly inspirational. No easy solutions or quick fixed but honest open discussion. How refreshing. Our country has lost its way but im willing to speak up wherever I get the opportunity. I’ve been given the encouragement to say ‘the emperor has no clothes’. Thank you! Keep doing what your doing.
Season of Jordan's podcasts are equal to really good education in whole spectrum of interests. Many institutions would hold this knowledge behind huge paywall. I'm highly grateful.
Great interview. I only watch 2+ hours when it’s by JP. This was the most interesting interview I have seen in a while. The ending was so perfect as well. Miss Weiss is very impressive, I am so happy there are still sane people today. I know for a fact she is someone I would disagree with on many subjects, and yet I would be able to have a meaningful and productive conversation with her. It is so rare nowadays. My spirit is uplifted now. Thank you JP.
I read Bari Weiss’ letter when she left The NY Times and was impressed. But after this discussion, I have an even deeper respect and admiration for her. She has an obvious moral clarity, she’s very modest about her evident intelligence, and she’s clearly a force to be reckoned with. This was one of the most enjoyable interviews I have ever listened to , and I’ve enjoyed all of Jordan Peterson’s guests. This young woman is in a class of her own regarding the depth of journalistic malfeasance how she saw it, called it out, and taking it on. She’s right, there are judgements made constantly not only with writing and content, but what is good, moral, and having a quality life. None of it happens by accident. I’m glad she’s young, the world is better off with her in it. She’s also impressive for wanting to mentor those with talent stating that’s what she enjoys most. How many talented people in contrast like to eliminate their competition? Bari Weiss is really a good person!
he's right and the tension between who we truly are and what our families/ society will allow us to be is a consistent battle. It is why the current societal war is so important. It will go to the heart of qho you are.
I will never get tired of listening and being inspired by reason driven and passionate people willing to uphold that beacon of truth for all of us. You have all my admiration.
Jordan Peterson inspired me to read and explore the likes of Solzhenitsyn, Dostoyevsky, Becker, Schopenhauer and the great existentialists, philosophers and psychoanalysts of our time. He has opened my soul to so much I could never have discovered or comprehended without watching his great many lectures and debates. God bless you, sir!!
Many believe Dr. Peterson is Rudolf Steiner reborn. Dr. Ian Stevenson's research into 1000s of children who each remember their prior life essentially proves spirit governs genetics and we choose when and where to return, whether consciously or unconsciously. Reincarnation is natural law and it seems quite a few greats have returned to this pivotal time.
@@AstrologicalTools "Many believe Dr. Peterson is Rudolf Steiner reborn" - I'm curious where this idea came from? It's at the least very amusing. Steiner was an amazing person. I can see some resemblance.
I understand her desire to seek the best argument for the other side in that it comes from a "good place". But I'm with Jordan in that I don't think any of this comes from a good place. Not for the ones pushing it, attacking people, cancelling people, beating people. They hate. And they've found a moral system in which they can hate and call it virtuous.
This is not random, this is a planned agenda. Would have been important of one of the most famous owners of NYT and his inmenso economic influence in politics through his NGO’s Open Society. He has established newspapers all round the globe, and funded all the Democrat strongholds including Biden. So what is the reason? Where do they want to take us?
This interview is so ridiculously awesome I am at a loss for words. I listen to virtually every JP interview, and for me, this conversation ranks near the top. I feel so much more educated 😌
Dude above you straight control+C/P your original comment verbatim and posted it as his own. That's a first for me; that level of unethical debauchery chilled me to my soul.
I hope Tens of Millions of People get to see this. What an interview! Thank you both and thank you Bari for your particularly fine expression of nearly every important issue facing Americans today.
Very interesting interview. Highlights the fact that having the courage of your convictions is really a trait one should develop and follow through on.
Bari Weiss: "I'm obsessed with the idea of courage ... and what is it." Jordan Peterson: "I think it's fear of God. ... Courage is being afraid of the right thing." Would love to hear a conversation between Jordan Peterson and Rod Dreher
Just so you know- when the word fear is used in the Bible in reference to God, it is a Hebrew word that means "reverence". That's the fear of God Peterson is referring to.
Jordan, this was a genuine conversation. No need to worry about your choices of guests. We respect your judgment. Both you and Bari are courageous and, therefore, inspiring. Thanks and God bless you for what you do for your communities.
I have two hands to use, and on one, I hold the pride in discovering Jordan like an underground musical prodigy before they top the charts. At times, I don't want him to become a household name. On the other hand, I hold pride in the atmosphere surrounding Jordan. The accumulation of his content is satisfying. At times, I want him to become a household name. I amble through it all, from the interview, comment sections, spin-offs to the thought-provoking dialogues that quench my thirst for quality. A pleasant resource to find, like money in a pants pocket from years before. A treasure on the surface and a phenomenal interviewer!
I had originally intended to watch TV this evening after a hard day’s work in the garden. I listen many of Jordan’s interviews and I found that this one with Bari was so riveting that I ended up watching to the end. She is one of my new heroes. Such a fantastic discussion of equals. I’m in awe of both Bari and Jordan and I love having my mind challenged by ideas which are never explored on any other platform that I have ever encountered. Compulsive viewing. More like this please.
She seems to walk a tightrope between reconciling the fact that she ultimately had to drink the poison that she helped administer. Thank God for ipecac..in this case, J.P., & other alternative platforms, little by little, her defensive guilt melted away, and she finally got to say what she wanted to say, wasn't ALLOWED to say all along, without the tightrope. What a relief that must be for her.
@S G and people like her will be hugely valuable in many ways. Redemption is wonderful. The redeemed shouldn't forget their sins however.. I'm somewhat concerned she's just jumping on board whatever ship of convenience sailed by. We'll see.
I thoroughly enjoyed this conversation. Its unbelievable what happens when two highly intellectual people come together and convey their thoughts and opinions in a way that the average person can digest with a few exeptions of language used. I wish you both all the best with your endeavours 🙂 great video 🤍
Intellectual or just highly educated? They both make simple mistakes where they fall into common false narratives without unpacking the truths. For example the crack/powder matter being racist. No one made black dealers sell the crack instead of the less risky lower punishment powder like the white dealers felt more comfortable doing. Blacks personally chose the more risky crack as a business decision for market domination with the better drug. The old tell a lie often enough and people people take it for truth. PC is insidious
@Steven Thompson Except you didnt answer the question about why didnt the blacks sell the the less risky powder. The state didnt make them sell the crack. They themselves knowingly took the higher risk because they wanted the business advantage of the better product. The black community leaders where the ones asking for the state to increase the penalty to try and quelch the damage from the super coke. They DID put the law over themselves. There is NO racism anywhere in this matter except from those trying to spread the race narrative
@Steven Thompson I dont think I won because you cant more simply state your case here. You havent showed any fallacy to my assertions. I dont think you can. If you can I would truly like to know as I dont care to be ignorant of any matters Ive piped up about. Im not familiar with spooner and I dont know what you mean by your channels page. If you can show any fallacy I would appreciate an acceptable response on this thread
Jordan has an incredible ability to, for lack of a better term, play devil's advocate. He touched on this a bit but his tendency to try to directly attack the or question a foundational presupposition of his conversation partner really sets the stage for the development of a greater understanding.
Yep, his entire goal is to keep restating the other person's position from different perspectives and with ever more scaffolding until it's as strong as it can possibly be, because he's only interested in grappling with the strongest arguments possible-- the mark of a man who truly respects the power of his own mind (and also truly wants the best for humanity).
Their navigation through the racism minefield was so interesting, they challenged each other and dissected the language. Bari is 100% right that it's all a war of language, if you cede the language you're in essence defaulting into that ideology 🤔
Jordan says at 41:22 "I've been talking to a group of people in L.A.... liberals... left of me I would say. And we've been stuck on this issue of equity - because I've been insisting, for example, that it's a drive toward equality of outcome defined exactly in the way you [Bari Weiss] described. And their insistence is; NO! That's a view that only the minority of the people who are pushing the idea of equity hold." -- That's like saying; "It's just the living room of our house that has an uncontrollable fire in it. We'll be safe as long as we stay under this bed where there is no fire."
So grateful the truth of folks are coming out and pushing back before we are ruined Hallelujah !! Now I can take my walk and listen....Thanks Dr Peterson..
What I’ve learned from Jordan, I would say most importantly, is how to conduct a healthy conversation that is driven toward truth through unpacking ideas that should be unpacked
And challenging one of those stubborn American myths, that it was America that ended slavery, when the UK did it decades earlier and put in a lot more effort to stop the practise around the entire world. This American exceptionalism and narcissism really does feed into the current woke pandemic.
It’s was really good to see how this started with Bari only dipping a toe in the water and pulling back and being a bit defensive. However then actually exploring the ideas and loosen up. A good genuine conversation.
@@Ruturaj22 yeah in my mind anyone who lived in that world and promoted cancelling people in the past deserves every bit of it when the monster comes for them... It's like communists that persecuted people but then they got thrown in the gulag also. If they don't suffer the consequences of what they preached they'll never learn what they did wrong.
I was riveted by this conversation. It flowed so well from the roots of Bari's days at Columbia to her leaving the NYT. All the while, she was testing a dangerous hypothesis that the most valuable institutions were self-destructing. I love the fact that she and JBP aren't afraid to say it. And though I don't agree with their worldviews, I find their sound thinking and reasonableness so refreshing. Thanks to both of you for sharing 2+ hours of your lives to think it through and take us along!
She definitely "seems" to be an Assad sympathizer. Refusing to call him a war criminal and human rights abuser who has killed so many people "like cockroaches" and shows no regrets. Lobbying against trying to bring him to justice and remove him from power. I think Bari Weiss is much more educated about the world than you give credit for... maybe I'm wrong but that's how I see it.
@@mrmichaelhallett I guess she understands that trash talking your enemies, specially those you want to negotiate with, may not produce the results you want.
I first discovered Bari when I saw her interview Dr. Peterson on my first binges of his videos. I've watched her appearances on Bill Maher, and followed the story of her resignation from NYT. Her most recent appearance on Real Time made me search her out again. What a treat this was to find. More than two hours of what I now think are two of my favorite voices of today. This made me a fan, I'll definitely be checking out Substack.
This is where the left goes so wrong. In order to operate you have to be able to say something is better than another thing. You need to have judgement. Check out Evan Sayet “Regurgitating the Apple” on YT.
Most of us wouldn't have even been considered "centrist" 1 decade ago. My family was all Blue Collar Dems, voting Reagan/Bush/Clinton. I think Obama was the beginning of our current "split" of parties. The "right" is now essentially Conservatives/JFK Dems/Moderates/Populists. The "Left" is now just nothing but Woke. The "right" is just a coalition of Americans trying to survive a cultural marxist onslaught and trying to just live their own lives. We range from Trump and Desantis over to Tulsi Gabbard.
This was fantastic. I have gained a lot of respect for this woman following this conversation. I love their dynamic with another. She has such a strong composition which is great against Jordan's challenges and questioning style.
I love her ability to contend with the content and revere it over any preoccupation one might have with Peterson's acumen. Hers is focused and prodigious. All the while she is open and receptive, and unthreatened. GOD I loved this.
@@markdouglas1601 90% of everything I’ve ever heard from him is talking specifically about radical academic leftism, so what slightly left idea is he being a contrarian about exactly? His shitposts on Twitter are very different than his podcasts and interviews.
“Victimization “ is what you can’t put your finger on. It’s complex and simple at the same time. It’s divisive and popular and drives both (all) sides. It creates tribes and will create winners and losers of all of us… But in the end, self victimization guarantees that losers come after the egg and the chicken.
My son said the same thing. He had been in the Marines and had served in the Middle East but he could not speak freely about his experiences so he dropped out of college.
Very informative interview. It was sometimes frustrating when Bari Weis was cut off in the middle of her thought, but otherwise this was an excellent interview.
She isn't awake, she's an opportunist. She was quite happy to use her position at the NYT to slander and cancel anyone who dared to criticise Israel which is committing war crimes daily. Then cancel culture came for her over something she said. And now she's crying a river full of crocodile tears (while still shitting on dead Palestinian children and innocent families kicked out of their homes.)
@@RealonomicsBook blame dead Palestinian children on Hamas, not Israel. Israel is the only bastion of Democracy and Western civilization in the Middle East and the terrorists want it destroyed. If Gaza didn’t allow terrorists to fire rockets from hospitals and schools, Israel wouldn’t fire back at those places. There is an attack on civilization as we know it from all angles. Hamas is attempting to destroy the west with rockets and these ideologues are attempting to destroy the west with critical theory
@@kimmariebimmarie by that logic, blame hamas on IDF. seriously, "attempting to destroy the west" is such a bland and stupid narrative, it's a shame people with all the information and their finger tips believe it or get away with spouting it. No matter what Hamas did or does justifies what is happening to Arab Israelis as well as Palestinians.
@@juliemunoz2762 A few things, an Assad toadie and tulsi had monstrous ideas......probably refering to tulsi's anti US regime change practises and war mongering
@@sardukar1234 I see, thank you for the clarification. As a conservative I see Tulsi Gabbard as someone who is honest and I believe she has love for the country but I think her ideas of Governance are too far left she’s definitely socialist in nature. though I’d rather have an honest socialist than a traitorous sellout like we currently have. Of course I’d rather see an American first patriot above both of those. I was elected officials are supposed to have American interests first when developing domestic and foreign policy
@@juliemunoz2762 ........with some respect and as a foreigner....i dont care who runs the US as long as they stop sanctioning countries during a pandemic, steal Syria's oil, arm rebels, regime change wars and invade/occupy other countries. Foreign policy is built around enriching weapon manufacturers, why else do you always have a Raytheon executive as sec defence in left and right admins. Should start caring about the unelected officials instead of right, left, socialist etc
What an excellent conversation. I felt like I was in the room making arguments in my own head so I’d be prepared when they threw the mic my way. It’s funny how honest conversation can easily steal your focus because it is so rare.
Re: crack vs. cocaine sentencing. I'm not going to let that point slide. This is something that people who are completely clueless about both drugs and the criminal justice system keep trotting out as an example. Crack and cocaine are not even remotely close to the same thing. Just because one is made from the other is not a logical reason to say they should have the same punishment. Furthermore, there's another drug called heroine. It carries exactly the same sentence as crack. Guess what. It's white people who overwhelmingly go to prison for it. This is a prime example of clueless or malicious people cherry picking data to push a narrative. Crack has far more in common with heroine than it does with cocaine. Stop pushing this zombie lie that crack sentencing exists to hurt minorities. That was never true and makes no logical sense if you know anything about the subject.
As to courage, see Sun Tzu: death ground. When you put someone on death ground, the person loses all fear and will fight like a tiger. Once you realize there is no other choice, that is when you see courage.
It is so refreshing fo see honest concerns about where are we heading (I'm from Czechia, not as bad in here, but I think it is wise to check the world to see what is coming ahead...) in a world of fake virtue signaling. I can see both of you are on a verge of honest tears at the end of discussion and its quite moving and understandable. But the "farewell waving" has left me astounded... so many words could be said instead of one small, "uncommon" gesture . Thank you both for all you are doing. With love from Czechia :)
I'll never stop appreciating the fact that these great discussions are free to listen to.
In the last days, knowledge will increase
Here here!
Need to pay for internet still, nothing is really “free” in this world
@@CanadianAFreeGamer lol
@@CanadianAFreeGamer
And why not, after all, who is working for FREE, unless one is volunteering ⁉️
Miss Weiss described my own sister's experience with mainstream news/commentary media. One day, she came to me and said, "They continue to repeat lies and untruths. I know because I have researched this topic, and what they say aren't merely differences of opinion or perception. They are saying up is down."
If you are an expert in just about any field the mainstream media reports on you soon realize they don't know anything.
Barri mention a wife so...maybe not Miss
@@notwhatiwasraised2b just being polite. MAAAAA'AAAAAAM is fine too.
She cares way more about Isreal than her own country. A 5th column.
@@taylorc2542 Seems like she cares about the liberal west
Your hostility might be the ruin of you
"Please, do argue with me." You really have to respect his integrity.
He is a good man isn’t he?
Arguing is good as long as death is not the outcome....as long as we are not killing people by the arguments...Please just listen this time and look after yourselves instead of being so argumentative. If it is a philosophical argument but doesn't include people dying..That is a whole different ball game. Please. Carolyn from Canada.
@@carolyncolinhogarth8732 as long as there is a desire to improve knowledge and willingness to change outlook. There are a lot of people that won't kill me, but I'm not going to argue with because they won't budge either way.
He puts "professional" "journalists" to shame as an interviewer. Notice how often he asks "Why?" when he knows perfectly well the answer. He's drawing her out, making her harden and specify her arguments. He's not assuming anything. That is a brilliant interview tactic.
3 years ago I had posted that Jordan Peterson was one of the greatest thinkers of our time. 3 years later nothing has happened to change my mind from that.
Dr. Peterson thank you so much for talking about the ongoing problems that threaten our Universities. I am a graduate student in Rhetoric and Composition and I am struggling because of the lack of free thinking going on in the classroom. Professors nowadays latch on to one viewpoint/narrative and use the same few articles by the same few writers to approach every problem in the discipline. If students try speak out against or challenge these narrow viewpoints/narratives, we face very real negative consequences in the department or institution. Free thinking and free speech are deeply threatened in Universities and not many people are speaking about how dangerous it is.
Is it time to counter the present Social Justice "group-think/religion"
with the "individual's freedom to fail"?
Really? Tell me more about that...
Success (as an individual) starts and ends with the freedom to fail.
Success, like happiness, is never guaranteed, but the pursuit of happiness is infinite.
Groups dilute individual freedom and fulfillment.
Did you read The Closing of the American Mind? That might be a good book to throw back at these dogmatic "professors" of dumbness.
That is a long way from when I graduated in 2009. I remember teachers often tell me they hadn't thought of such and such that way before. I could actually disagree with a lesson and support my arguments well enough to obtain A+ .
I know this is off topic, but I didn't see a post yet for today, June 12, for Dr. Peterson's birthday!!!
HAPPY BIRTHDAY JORDAN PETERSON 🎂🥳🎉🎈🎁🎊
Rachel,thank you. I join to you: Happy Birthday,Peterson, our hero. Thamk you for your effort to help to Humanity. Grandama FL
Yes Happy Birthday Dr. Peterson
Happy Birthday top lobster! :lobster snaps:
Happy birthday Jordan you old fossil!
Wait. His birthday was June 12. ☺ If that was the case, it's another reason to like him for me personally.
Jordan is such a superb interviewer. He doesn't just accept an answer, he has has his guest delve deeply into why they fell that way, or drew a specific conclusion. A Master at work!
I mean he is a psychiatrist isnt he?
@@John_on_the_mountain psychologist
Even if he agrees with the surface language, he still digs deeper.
@@MrStrengthfreak oh yeah
He interrupts too much.
The recent interviews with Russell Brand, Michael Malice, and Bari Weiss all took me by surprise. I wasn't expecting to watch any of them for more than 15 minutes, but I wound up watching all of them to the very end.
In each case I learned a lot, gained respect for each of the guests, and enjoyed the time I invested. Thank you for this excellent content.
Me too, I especially enjoyed M Malice
I am completely glued every time Lex Fridman has on Michael Malice, which surprised me the first time as well.
👏 Surprise is the key to true learning
His Russell Brand talk was one of thr best long form conversations I've ever heard
@@RunBayou so true they had such an energy between them.
I have been hearing about Bari for years. Throughout my obsessiveness to always be listening to new voices I had never got around to getting to know and understand where she comes from. Now as of tonight this is my third interview with her and am glad I finally did. I'm glad to know she's out there doing what she's doing and also pleased that she is one of two that have been put in charge of the daunting task of going through the "Twitter Files".. Great interview Jordan.
It's so good to hear Jordan being Jordan again.
Yes it is! Thank God! I really thank God for restoring our dear Jordan.
Yes, he is sounding really sharp now.
Yes sir . indeed .
Probably the best Bari Weiss interview I ever heard. She's shorn off the dead skin and been reborn with clear purpose. She sounds like she's not grinding that old axe anymore. Good for her; and Jordan is a killer interviewer.
It’s all a sham in an attempt to give her credibility. Rewatch her first Joe Rogan interview. She was, and I suspect still is an arrogant ignoramus.
@@SacredKaw Oooooh, good point. There's no way anyone can learn and grow and evolve over a period of a few years
@@moe45673 Imagine you change your core beliefs and then vote for the opposite party. Trump or Hilary, Biden or Bernie? Now imagine telling all your friends and family you changes. Not bloody likely.
@@SacredKaw More of us have been left by the Left than you might suppose. I have been an English Liberal all my adult life and now, apparently, that means I am Right Wing (TM) these days.
It's called grifting.
seems to me jordans podcast has become the coolest place to be interviewed
people seem to be so proud to be with him
Thing I like about JP is you can really tell he’s truly listening to whom ever he’s engaged with.
Even some Libtards are seeing the light 😊
He's becoming the Johnny Carson of intellectual interviewers.
People, in general, have the ability to identify a genuine person and to recognize the truth when heard. This man took on the entire dark side of the world, dotted the eye of evil AND survived.
@@polarequatorial709 not if you keep calling them that
I cannot get enough of Bari Weiss, Jordan, Douglas Murray, Andrew Sullivan. It is like refreshing waters running over my brain and soul. They enlighten us with their discourse and common sense analysis of what’s happening politically and culturally in the US and abroad. I am so grateful for each of them even when I have minor disagreements. I have been adrift with my political leanings after 2016. I have come to realize I am not a liberal but a centrist conservative. When did our culture change so drastically that we lack this kind of discourse and intelligent conversation?!!!!! Thank you for this platform.
I was 15 when I almost died in the hospital from pneumonia, after that point I shed all societal expectations and went in whole heartedly looking meaningful adventure in life.Things like Gold mining, building software, inventing random and mostly useless things or backpacking in a remote area. It has brought me limitless internal peace and reset how I view my own trajectory. Life is short, do something that makes you scream with joy. Love you all 💚
Thank you for sharing your enthusiasm and story, its very inspiring!
@@Dylanthestudent of course! Spread the light of truth and stay curious. Hope your day is wonderful my friend.
@@Imakulak thanks, that means a lot
Well done, bucko
Good advice. Blessings to you.
I just realized that Jordan Peterson has become a journalist. And an excellent one at that.
Interesting... 🤔
Stealing journalists jobs :(
unfortunately journalist is nowadays more or less a insult. Therefore I have to disagree, I think dr Peterson is transforming in to a true philosopher, i.e. one outside the academy and institutions (comp with the classic philosophers)
I'd liken him more to Charlie Rose or Louis Rukeyser. A podcast version of Larry King? He's asking specific enough questions to guide the conversation.
I first encountered his videos while looking for motivational information, things to help me through an extremely difficult period of about 5 years. He was in a compilation of others. I follow him now, because of his interesting guests.
Somebody's gotta do it. MSM isn't.
Another gem Jordan. You have an extraordinary way of going very deep and getting to the heart of the matter with guests. And, as usual, your insights into the issues of our day are breathtakingly revealing. So glad you're back. You look like you're getting stronger each day. Much respect. Much appreciation. Much love. - Joe
I am so grateful for this popcast. Bari is so powerful and clear minded. I felt so stressed because I felt I was in the conversation but could not talk... I was commenting stuff at the same time than you guys.
JBP I am so great full for the time I spend with you every day. I've been looking for a mentor and a teacher... And man, you are him. THANKS for been faithful to whatever brought you to where you are. You are someone worth emulating
Be blessed
I am totally convinced that it’s truly smarter to be listening to the people who are coming to your program Jordan and they will be saving themselves a lot of money and their agendas fighting against our families lives if we don’t completely get their agendas against our lives future generations anymore because their maybe highly educated people who are truly not willing to be really caring about people who are truly willing to be finding our own truth and grace and truth preaching truth instead of just blindly trusting everything that they are believing is for themselves instead of believing that we’ve been deliberately trying to be believing Christ Jesus words are our own lives freedom and faith for healing our lives and our families future! I have had some people who have been deceived themselves and telling me that it’s all about emptying out our minds and their lives are actually being destroyed by their agendas against our lives because our lives must be truly filled with God’s anointing and wisdom and discernment and faith for healing our lives and our families lives and not willing to be agreeable with their agendas for their empty heads and allowing demons to be taking their own desires for themselves to their lies and deception themselves!
Jordan I’ve been praying for the blessings of Liberty and grace and truth preaching and discernment against evil agendas against our families lives everywhere! I have loved the Jewish people who are truly willing to be listening to the truth and wisdom and discernment and faith for healing our lives between us all and actually not even going out looking for a long time to having our relationship with each other’s lives so much more than our finding themselves in their own evil agendas and their liars agendas against our lives completely loving people and our lives rejecting their agendas against us all because even their agendas are trying to be manipulative and controlling people and telling people who are willing to be actually willing to be honest with others and especially With their Obama’s people who are trying to be telling themselves their truth is truly their own truth and everything else is truly lies everywhere that they have been pushing our lives against to be believing in their own agendas against our lives and our families lives because their actions against our families are going to be finding themselves hopefully not really wanting to be seeing themselves getting their justice that they are deserving themselves!
Quite honestly I’m not surprised at all the people who are trying to be hiding themselves behind their religious beliefs our cultures are truly so deceived themselves and they have not been able to be seeing the evil agendas happening everywhere and so they are believing themselves in our Nation they are believing themselves that they are so helpful in our families lives and our lives are truly going through their lives trouble for themselves and their liars agendas against our lives are trying to be Waking Up call for their agendas and she’s actually doing exactly what we have been trying to be doing and their agendas against our lives are now denying their agendas against our lives in our Nation! We’re all praying God’s divine wisdom and discernment and faith for healing our lives from their liars and their compromising values and instead of offering their help for actually getting our messages out their trying to be stealing our messages and pretending they are doing their right things all along themselves! I love that she is truly willing to be telling people who are willing to be listening to the her and you all the truth and I’m right where you are and believing Christ Jesus is the one who truly is telling me that I’ve truly had to be doing this for years now and grace and truth preaching and wisdom and discernment and faith for God’s anointing and wisdom and going forward or backwards depending on what the people who are liars and manipulative people who are truly knowing their wrongs but not willing to be doing it!
Many young people today are defensive towards criticism and do not want to receive it or give it. Unfortunately, development requires it.
oh they are willing to give it out, but not willing to receive it. they have to be correctly woke all the time and everyone around them have to have ideals and values identical to theirs.
For them
@@kokoroseiheki they don't critique. That requires knowledge and experience. They denounce and chant mantras they have been taught and believe without questioning. That's cultist behavior.
Previous generations were also defensive in their youth. I believe it's a rite of passage.
@@MsDFai Each generation will be worse in this failing. The failing is caused by a competitive spirit of being smarter, and more all knowing than the generation before it...just for the sake of winning some "childish better button"...winning at all costs, without clear morals or intentions for "true" improvement ...could be looked at as purely ego seeking winning . A humanity pitted against itself...in competition with your own parent's generation just for the sake of being more competitive.. all because no clear reasons and purposes for being competitive... our societies have built on sand, no foundation...soul of each person must be anchored to true values...the building is crumbling. New language without the baggage is necessary to even talk about this because I will begin to talk about basics that can sound like preaching and we all know the images that can bring up! Or do we?...? Much more conversation needed...but it can be frustrating if the baggage tied to words is solely our source of communicating...a true spirit of love and respect must be present from both sides to continue such conversation with any true and good fruitful results.
This was just so raw and potent. It was a little uncomfortable at first when it started becoming apparent that JBP was pushing Beri's patience, or perhaps comfort, or both... But then you see her pushing through and rising to the occasion and becoming less resistant to following him down these treacherous paths. It was really beautiful how their trust grew.
Perfect way to explain it!!
You could tell she seemed upset at first or annoyed. But then pushed through it. And the audience won because of it!
Great discussion!
This was really something to witness. I like her in spite of myself.
He has retooled his extensive psychotherapeutic skill, informed by sociological and philosophical concepts, into provocative interviewing. Very timely and hopefully influential.
Do you remember Bari was an opponent to Dr Peterson in a rather spiteful public debate regarding political correctness? She also exposed herself on Rogan, I think, and I’m no expert, that Bari is still very Green but she is in a great position to evolve into a formidable public figure.
@@qwerty90615 well put
“What the hell happened at The NY Times?” Been waiting for this conversation! The tension in the back and forth isn’t even really there - such a deep conversation it sounds like an argument when it isn’t. Love this!
I like how they pretend that it's something new that just started happening at the paper and hasn't been the case for over a century.
Nothing happened to the NYTIMES. They covered up what Hitler was doing. They kissed Stalins ass and lied to the world, denying the Ukranian genocide, the Holodomor. NYT's is trash and has always been trash.
@@LeRoy313 The NYT's rot has only gotten worse and people have started to finally smell it.
Sulzberger family control. Once you own the houses, cars and a yacht, what's left to do with all those $billions?
You buy political influence by
1. Fund creation of political think tanks to push your policies.
2. Lobby/corrupt politicians to enact your policies in exchange for campaign contributions and later, jobs
3. Buy enough media control so you can support your investment and smear/destroy anyone that contradicts your narrative.
There, in 3 easy steps, how to corrupt and destroy a nation from within.
Read Mark Levin's book on the NYT ......they have always been a pile of literal shit ......covering up the Russian Revolution as well as Nazism .......... total evil .........
I am going to be selfish right now. With these episodes, you are opening my mind to a portal that has long been closed. In short, you are helping me to awaken a part of my psyche that was in a coma. Thank you, Jordan. What you are doing is incredibly special in this world.
When she is talking about her taking pleasure in her work, helping others express themselves even with ideas contrary to her own; that act is an expression of love. I recognize it with the pleasure I take in my own work helping people reach a solution that benifits them the most, sometimes at the disadvantage of my own company, but motivated by their ultimate benefit. This is love.
You should check her interview with Joe Rogan... She's a dummy, i didn't feel any of that love you talking about, very fake and disingenuous person and clueless about Geo politics....
Funny, how 2 people can have such a different opinion about a person....
TBH, i've only listened 10 min. of this conversation, it seems like a complete waste of time, listening to her for 2.5 hrs...
@@kaimanyu586 I only described a sentence of conversation. She is reserved, but it is a healthy conversation
Selflessly being of service to another to find their voice - yes, love in action.
Sounds more like virtue signalling to me.
@@kaimanyu586 First hour is pretty pedestrian and limited. Last 1. 5 hours get to where it needs to go. Watch it and you will change your mind.
This series of podcast are the most important made so far. Ever. Not only are they an up to date window into the current state of the world during the cultural wars it is also timeless and will I have no doubt be relevant in 2031 as it is today. I believe that it’s mainly because it’s not sanitised to with an inch of its life.... it’s honest....in 2021 this is a rarity.
🙏🙌🙏🙌🙏🙌🙏
I'm actually in shock at the intensity and knowledge everyone on here displays. It reminds me of the brilliance of MLK and Malcom X and the terrible and terrifying beauty of those times.
Let’s just hope YTbe doesn’t remove such content… like they did to Brett Weinstein and his amazing June 1st discussion with Dr. Pierre Kory of Covid19Critical on the DarkHorse Podcast was removed by YTube for allegedly violating their Community Guidelines… which is BS. It was such a careful and balanced discussion… that talked about Iver mectin … and it being the possible solution for this pandemic
Look it up on other platforms or any of their Twit accounts
Discussions like this are the most important tools we have right now.
Remember to screen record the parts of the one’s you think are important
I have so many clips on my phone from deleted videos
Especially the one’s that show the Cap itol protestors being peaceful and respectful inside the building, talking to police
Processed food has a longer shelf life. Processed information is rotten the moment you open the package.
Watch jamaican historian Tony Martin and learn who the real slaveowners were and the connection with the elites of today...
Watch the Senate hearing (Dec. 2020), to hear Dr. Pierre Kory and other reputable doctors, discuss their early protocols, to help covid patients, using Ivermectin & other , legal, safe , inexpensive and well established drugs…
Unbelievable, how they were ignored by everyone, censored and how shocked,and confused they were at that time. But , they’ve seen the writing on the wall are trying their best, to get the word out
Damn, she's on par with Jordan here, and bold enough to stop him before he interrupts to clearly make her point. What a pleasure to see! No hidden hatred, only discussing what matters and integrity on both sides. J. Peterson is getting back.
i smell a bait ...
“She’s on par with Jordan “ ? I disagree.
@Jeremy Brown Superior to her? She's a guest and they're having a 2 way discussion. Many people have interrupted Jordan, and in serious adult discussions sometimes it's ok to cut someone off if you know they're going to go on a tangent or in a direction that you don't want to bring the discussion.
Wow!!! I have never listened to an interview of this magnitude, almost 2 1/2 hours. Dr. Peterson is simply genius in his ability to delve deeply into every thought, and Bari Weiss is one of the most, if not the most, honest journalist of our time. Thank you!
SMOKE & MIRRORS ----
biology of EVIL ----->>> JP is a freemason....
he's an Expert ILLUSIONIST for the deep state satanic network...
ALL followers of JP....Are spiritually NUMB....
Colossians 2:8 -- Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Jesus
Bari has gotten a lot better over the last few years. I enjoyed this conversation a lot more than I thought I would. Jordan is an excellent host and opens up great conversations.
especially after she looked like such a fool on JRE, I mean that Gabbard tirade was hard to watch.
@@shawnbrdlik6213 Exactly. When I saw that my immediate reaction was that she is a naive, ignorant, delusional propagandist aka a NYT employee.
@@TheOriginalFishPond maybe, you can have one or two really shit takes and not be irredeemable though. I mean Peterson has had a few, noone is perfect
character development
We need to allow public figures to evolve in our minds eye. They are human. And even if she never evolved, her calling attention to the IDW as a reasonable and valuable group was a generous gift.
Thoughtful, concise, and refreshingly non-dogmatic. Watching Bari's evolution has been fascinating. She and Jordan seem to share the same sense of striving to be as articulately precise and honest as possible. I really enjoyed this.
I'd date her 🏋🏼♂️
Watch the Jimmy dore video on her interview with Joe rogan and tell me if you think the same way?
Toadie
Would be cool if there shared endeavor had a home, not just a single(albeit great) podcast entry.
@@joeludemann I watched her on JRE at the time, and found her pretty off-putting and pandering. Hence, I commented about her evolution.
Any estimate on when the Michael Malice episode will release? How long do these interviews get filmed in advance? Feels like two months on that one at least
That episode releases on Monday.
@@JordanBPeterson Are you still doing a pierre poilievre interview, Dr. Peterson?
Be under no illusion Michael Malice is just as vindictive and reactive as any leftist. If he was in Moscow in 1917 he would have being a bolshevik chekist.
Read up about the Cheka atrocities wiki.
He admires Leopold and Loeb for crying out loud.
Yes there have been some "events" of note since this interview was done that would have been interesting to see addressed.
@@JordanBPeterson Please invite Sadhguru on the podcast. I will be very grateful! It’d be phenomenal to watch you talk to him.
The ending to this conversation that Bari delivered with such genuine passion was profound. One of the reasons why I am such a massive fan of Jordan is his intentional pursuit of depth of thought far beyond the superficial “goodies” that brought his guest to their place of prominence or center of attention. It really helps show the genuine character of that person in a way that gives very complete clarity and trust that they are not simply presenting what they think folks want to hear. It’s them fully present. This makes for some truly compelling reason to spend the extended amount of time watching. 👍🏻😎👍🏻
"systemic" got tangled with racism to deflect quesitons. A: Racism B: where ? now A has to come up with something. A: Systemic Racism B: where ? A: everywhere (systemic, DOH) and if you don't see this & agree you are part of it. "Systemic" does not mean that you can skip the cause&effect part of your statement. "Systemic" is a claim, not a proof.
I agree, he let her get away with soo much in this conversation.
"Systemic" is being used as a motte and bailey. When they use it, they mean that the system (society) is racist, but when you challenge it they point out the systems of racism in society, which there are still several needing addressed. The tell is that they never want to discuss potential solutions to systems of racism, they just want to scream that the system is racist and that they therefore deserve whatever they desire at the moment, up to and including blood.
@@khatharrmalkavian3306 the problem with those that talk about systemic racism is they literally say that any discrepancy in test scoring or job efficiency amongst the races is an example of systemic racism. They do not look at any other causes and in fact if you try to
Look for other causes, they label you as a racist lol.. it’s pretty ridiculous
But yes, I keep hearing some complain about systemic racism but they never have any ideas on how to fix it. The critical race theory nonsense will
Only worsen the problem
@@billsimms2511 unequal outcomes by the system ARE the evidence of systemic racism for those types. Ibrim Kendi says it pretty directly, that when he sees unequal outcomes, he sees racism.
Anyone that repeats the "systemic" talking point is implicitly agreeing to that.
And Kendi is the same guy that wants a fourth branch of government that can overturn anything the other three do that lead to inequality outcomes. The racial left is pretty explicit that they are using the accusation as a battering ram to tear down or repurpose our entire government and culture in order to gain the power to supposedly rectify that. Of course, once they do gain that power to pick winners and losers, they will abuse the hell out of it, to reward their friends and punish their enemies, same as it ever was.
@@billsimms2511 I mean, they give you ways to fix it: if you’re white you must know you’re inherently racist, and have to pay attention to your biases all the time. And to understand wich biases are these, you have the obligation to read whatever they tell you to read (and only that), listen to minorities and poc without questioning or interrupting, and teach others like you the same. If you disagree it just means you’re evil or ignorant towards your own evilness and must know why you’re inherently evil, and- you got the point. It’s a trap.
Giving a list of people you cannot criticize or be "biased against" is only a way of implying that anyone NOT on the list is unprotected and of lesser value. It is insidious and dangerous
Great point. I never thought of it like that.
This is why men have become marginalized and more specifically white Cis gendered men. While the elites in this group can somehow manage, imagine the plight of those amongst them who are dispossessed, unemployed, depressed and of lower income groups.
@@satishpadmanabhan492 the people in charge are not white. They're the same as this lady
The difference in clarity of thought between these two is stark.
age. she is around 30 years younger, give her time.
It's called (nepotism))
Totally disagree. Dr. Peterson is presenting from an academic perspective and has the practiced rigor of objective argument. He knows what he knows because of multitudinous scientific literature and the fact that his adopted hypotheses haven't yet been disproved; along with, his keen interest and personal observations and beliefs about the consequences of those observations and beliefs. Bari Weiss presents from a fundamental, personal and very deep belief system/understanding based on observation of current events. I found both to be extremely engaged and possessing VERY clear thoughts. If I had to pick a warrior for court, I'd pick Jordan. If I had to pick an inspirational leader for a battle or the second half of the football game, Bari would inspire the warriors on a fundamental, personal and spiritual level. Jordan could obviously do this too but it would be a an exercise for him. She knows what feels right, can make other people feel the same all without having scientific experiments/reviews/data to support her conclusion. Neither side here claims omniscience and both expressed a desire to remain open and ability to grow. So yeah, there is a difference in how ideas are argued but, NO-clarity of thought is not the difference. Both expressed their positions equally well in my opinion. I didn't even detect a perspective clash up to @2:00:50 when I started reading comments. Ms. Weiss seemed to be argumentative several times but only insofar as she was clarifying her vector of thought as opposed to the destination. Dr. Peterson is always a joy to listen to. Ms. Weiss is very disagreeable personality-wise but came across (at least to me) as genuine, forthright, caring and determined. I find no fault with either of them.
@@7h3F33d3r Completely disagree. Weiss frequently makes declarative statements and struggles when challenged to give a rational explanation. Her feelings may be genuine, but she has not explored her beliefs thoroughly. Granted, here she is contrasted with Dr. Peterson, setting an extremely high bar.
I don't find Weiss disagreeable per se, and I like some of her writing, but this medium does not play to her strengths.
Shes an affirmative actioned brat with no journalistic chops who has been paid big money to write books about how anti-semitism is everywhere and how we have to invade Syria for Israel right now, its very important ...somehow..
What a powerful ending by Bari when she tells us that the time is now, to come out and speak up against this Woke narrative 🤷♂️
What a tremendous dialogue this was.
Eye roll.
Bari is woke. She’s just not as woke as the people you see on tik tok.
@@weignerleigner3037 good for her.
@@TheRaulleal76 yeah it’s not a terrible thing. There are some good aspects of wokeness
@@weignerleigner3037 I was being sarcastic. And no, there isn't. The only good thing about wokeness is it's easier to Identify the people I'll be putting up against a wall when all this crumbles.
"The totalitarian state depends entirely on the dissociation between the public persona and the private viewpoint. And, to the degree that each person is willing to swallow that lie, that's their contribution to the totalitarian state."
Is this from this podcast? Could you give me a time stamp please?
@@gertverjaert6593 Yes, it's a JP quote from this episode. Don't have time at the moment to find it, but it's maybe half or 2/3rds of the way through.
@@everonlyallforthee Great, i'll find it! ty!
yes... and marx, lenin, stalin, mao and hitler knew this well.
Sleepless in sydney @ 3am & JP continues to prolong my insomnia. Love it!
That thinness of the veneer they talk about around 1:07:57 hits so close to home. I have always felt that wherever I am after visiting my family in Beirut. I wish more people realised truly how privileged they are in the “west”. All it takes is a little travel and being taken out of the comfort zone.
I took note of 1:07 myself.
@Wilhelm Eley yes!
As usual, I am actually deeply moved by this conversation. Yes, the content, but primarily due to being aware of the immense integrity being utilised. Thankyou.
I saw Peterson speak in Los Angeles in 2019. He had another show in my hometown San Diego down the street from me. At the time the ticket was $95. I said to myself, “it’s too much for me right now, he’ll be back in a year or so”. If I only had the insight I have now to buy that ticket.
I brought my teenage son to see/listen to him in San Jose in 2019. ( just up the road 😊)
Changed my relationship with my son … for the better.
Thank you JBP.
P
And 2019 JP is no more
@@davidvaughn9 He's still there. But why repeat the same thing over and over. What's been said was said. It's permanent on the internet now that anyone can see at any time they wish as many times as they want. Now he's moved on. With a new book out. Who knows. Maybe he'll tour again when the restrictions are lifted with talks based on Beyond Order.
I was at that LA show at the Orpheum. I flew to CA to see it because he only had 3 shows scheduled at the time...he ended up adding a few more! 😊
I received my Bachelors in psychology a few years ago, worked in the field for a few years, and really began to just hate my job, the people in the field, and a few other things surrounding that. Well I went back to school, decided I should pursue a career in IT. I am happy that I made the change, received my associates, got my A+, Net+, and I am working on my Sec+ (Still have yet to land that first job though) but listening to Jordan Peterson reminds me of what attracted me to the field of psychology to begin with.
..... because the field of Psychology was highjacked long ago !!! Because it was strategic!!!!!
I am another former psychology major who went into tech. Even got an MA. Then decided that maybe it would be nice to make actual real money 😂 Weird how that works.
Wow crazy that you went into psychology and finished in IT. Do you ever see yourself coming back? I just got my bachelor's in psychology. The field needs individuals with grounded perspectives.
@@janeann3331 Well I would not say I finished, the reality is I am just getting started. To answer your question, I do not see myself returning to the field. I do wish you the best of luck, I hope you find a position that is fulfilling and rewarding.
I have been in IT for over thirty years, and now find psychology fascinating. Because it's providing me a foundational understanding to people I never had.
He asks such fine questions. And follow-ups. Such precision in thought, language...Great man.
You can’t imagine how hopeful I am after hearing this great podcast. Hearing two people I admire and respect have the courage to say what needs to be said is truly inspirational. No easy solutions or quick fixed but honest open discussion. How refreshing. Our country has lost its way but im willing to speak up wherever I get the opportunity. I’ve been given the encouragement to say ‘the emperor has no clothes’. Thank you! Keep doing what your doing.
Season of Jordan's podcasts are equal to really good education in whole spectrum of interests.
Many institutions would hold this knowledge behind huge paywall.
I'm highly grateful.
Great interview. I only watch 2+ hours when it’s by JP. This was the most interesting interview I have seen in a while. The ending was so perfect as well. Miss Weiss is very impressive, I am so happy there are still sane people today. I know for a fact she is someone I would disagree with on many subjects, and yet I would be able to have a meaningful and productive conversation with her. It is so rare nowadays. My spirit is uplifted now. Thank you JP.
Me too .this is my school time .at 63 i listen at min .2 hors a day but i get stuff done at the same time..
"Please argue with me." I love the universe apart that is Jordan Peterson.
I read Bari Weiss’ letter when she left The NY Times and was impressed. But after this discussion, I have an even deeper respect and admiration for her. She has an obvious moral clarity, she’s very modest about her evident intelligence, and she’s clearly a force to be reckoned with. This was one of the most enjoyable interviews I have ever listened to , and I’ve enjoyed all of Jordan Peterson’s guests. This young woman is in a class of her own regarding the depth of journalistic malfeasance how she saw it, called it out, and taking it on. She’s right, there are judgements made constantly not only with writing and content, but what is good, moral, and having a quality life. None of it happens by accident. I’m glad she’s young, the world is better off with her in it. She’s also impressive for wanting to mentor those with talent stating that’s what she enjoys most. How many talented people in contrast like to eliminate their competition? Bari Weiss is really a good person!
I believe that the breakdown of the family is a large root to many issues we have.
Along with coddling and social media
We really need James Lindsay on this show...
I’ll second this!
Yes please Jordan!
Yes we do!
YEEEEES!
Indeed
"Your identity is a complex game that you negotiate with others." Whoa.
And true.
@@spidgeb3292 Ahh, you must be referring to the dnc power structure.
he's right and the tension between who we truly are and what our families/ society will allow us to be is a consistent battle. It is why the current societal war is so important. It will go to the heart of qho you are.
The truth of the isn't obvious to me. Identity seems personal and not up to "the other".
@@russellharvey7096 what you think of yourself is one thing. What others think of you is another. Put them together and maybe that's identity?
I will never get tired of listening and being inspired by reason driven and passionate people willing to uphold that beacon of truth for all of us. You have all my admiration.
Jordan Peterson inspired me to read and explore the likes of Solzhenitsyn, Dostoyevsky, Becker, Schopenhauer and the great existentialists, philosophers and psychoanalysts of our time. He has opened my soul to so much I could never have discovered or comprehended without watching his great many lectures and debates. God bless you, sir!!
Many believe Dr. Peterson is Rudolf Steiner reborn. Dr. Ian Stevenson's research into 1000s of children who each remember their prior life essentially proves spirit governs genetics and we choose when and where to return, whether consciously or unconsciously. Reincarnation is natural law and it seems quite a few greats have returned to this pivotal time.
@@AstrologicalTools "Many believe Dr. Peterson is Rudolf Steiner reborn" - I'm curious where this idea came from? It's at the least very amusing. Steiner was an amazing person. I can see some resemblance.
I’ve just started Dostoevsky and read the brothers Karamazov and I have no words!
Linda
I believe demons cause this deception. It's quite simple for them.
I understand her desire to seek the best argument for the other side in that it comes from a "good place". But I'm with Jordan in that I don't think any of this comes from a good place. Not for the ones pushing it, attacking people, cancelling people, beating people. They hate. And they've found a moral system in which they can hate and call it virtuous.
This is not random, this is a planned agenda. Would have been important of one of the most famous owners of NYT and his inmenso economic influence in politics through his NGO’s Open Society. He has established newspapers all round the globe, and funded all the Democrat strongholds including Biden. So what is the reason? Where do they want to take us?
@@juansenaranjo if you were godless and believed in nothing and were dying where would you take a world you resent?
@@juansenaranjo nwo
@@magnusarsland6887 You ask a question whose answer is terrifying!
This interview is so ridiculously awesome I am at a loss for words. I listen to virtually every JP interview, and for me, this conversation ranks near the top. I feel so much more educated 😌
This isn't an interview. It's a conversation. And a great one at that. Bravo!
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“…the price of telling the truth is high..” . What a terrifyingly true statement that is but it is the cost of freedom.
We should probably find a way to penalize her for saying that
@@outdoorloser4340 you sound like a very nuanced thinker. I bet you're full of wisdom. Please tell us more
@@outdoorloser4340 Has Bari Weiss ever uttered a true statement in her entire life?
@@outdoorloser4340 so if she told you she was hungry you wouldn't believe her
Dude above you straight control+C/P your original comment verbatim and posted it as his own. That's a first for me; that level of unethical debauchery chilled me to my soul.
He’s seeming more and more healthier!
His recovery is incredible!
Barry is so adorable. Her and JP's conversation is so honest interesting and deep. Good listen. 👍
At the end of this very deep and honest discussion I want to give a standing ovation! Dr. Peterson is back and is better than ever!
The best 2 hours and 22 minutes I've spent in a long time. Thank you Jordan and Bari!
2:22.22 actually
I hope Tens of Millions of People get to see this. What an interview! Thank you both and thank you Bari for your particularly fine expression of nearly every important issue facing Americans today.
smoke and mirrors
Discussions like this give so much hope that all is not already lost, that there are so many people with a vision of the way forward.
Very interesting interview. Highlights the fact that having the courage of your convictions is really a trait one should develop and follow through on.
Bari Weiss: "I'm obsessed with the idea of courage ... and what is it."
Jordan Peterson: "I think it's fear of God. ... Courage is being afraid of the right thing."
Would love to hear a conversation between Jordan Peterson and Rod Dreher
Just so you know- when the word fear is used in the Bible in reference to God, it is a Hebrew word that means "reverence". That's the fear of God Peterson is referring to.
Obsessed with the idea of courage in supporting apartheid Israel bombing rock-throwing Palestinians
@@grackmoney Rock(et) throwing Hamas terrorist a-holes. There, corrected it for you.
Jordan, this was a genuine conversation. No need to worry about your choices of guests. We respect your judgment. Both you and Bari are courageous and, therefore, inspiring. Thanks and God bless you for what you do for your communities.
I love you!
I have two hands to use, and on one, I hold the pride in discovering Jordan like an underground musical prodigy before they top the charts.
At times, I don't want him to become a household name.
On the other hand, I hold pride in the atmosphere surrounding Jordan. The accumulation of his content is satisfying.
At times, I want him to become a household name.
I amble through it all, from the interview, comment sections, spin-offs to the thought-provoking dialogues that quench my thirst for quality.
A pleasant resource to find, like money in a pants pocket from years before.
A treasure on the surface and a phenomenal interviewer!
I had originally intended to watch TV this evening after a hard day’s work in the garden. I listen many of Jordan’s interviews and I found that this one with Bari was so riveting that I ended up watching to the end. She is one of my new heroes. Such a fantastic discussion of equals. I’m in awe of both Bari and Jordan and I love having my mind challenged by ideas which are never explored on any other platform that I have ever encountered. Compulsive viewing. More like this please.
She seems to walk a tightrope between reconciling the fact that she ultimately had to drink the poison that she helped administer. Thank God for ipecac..in this case, J.P., & other alternative platforms, little by little, her defensive guilt melted away, and she finally got to say what she wanted to say, wasn't ALLOWED to say all along, without the tightrope. What a relief that must be for her.
@S G and people like her will be hugely valuable in many ways. Redemption is wonderful. The redeemed shouldn't forget their sins however.. I'm somewhat concerned she's just jumping on board whatever ship of convenience sailed by. We'll see.
I thoroughly enjoyed this conversation. Its unbelievable what happens when two highly intellectual people come together and convey their thoughts and opinions in a way that the average person can digest with a few exeptions of language used. I wish you both all the best with your endeavours 🙂 great video 🤍
Intellectual or just highly educated? They both make simple mistakes where they fall into common false narratives without unpacking the truths. For example the crack/powder matter being racist. No one made black dealers sell the crack instead of the less risky lower punishment powder like the white dealers felt more comfortable doing. Blacks personally chose the more risky crack as a business decision for market domination with the better drug. The old tell a lie often enough and people people take it for truth. PC is insidious
Bari Weiss is anything but highly intellectual. lol.
@Steven Thompson Except you didnt answer the question about why didnt the blacks sell the the less risky powder. The state didnt make them sell the crack. They themselves knowingly took the higher risk because they wanted the business advantage of the better product. The black community leaders where the ones asking for the state to increase the penalty to try and quelch the damage from the super coke. They DID put the law over themselves. There is NO racism anywhere in this matter except from those trying to spread the race narrative
@Steven Thompson I dont think I won because you cant more simply state your case here. You havent showed any fallacy to my assertions. I dont think you can. If you can I would truly like to know as I dont care to be ignorant of any matters Ive piped up about. Im not familiar with spooner and I dont know what you mean by your channels page. If you can show any fallacy I would appreciate an acceptable response on this thread
@Steven Thompson Frankly Mr Thompson you had my attention but it really just looks like a cop out now
Jordan has an incredible ability to, for lack of a better term, play devil's advocate. He touched on this a bit but his tendency to try to directly attack the or question a foundational presupposition of his conversation partner really sets the stage for the development of a greater understanding.
Yep, his entire goal is to keep restating the other person's position from different perspectives and with ever more scaffolding until it's as strong as it can possibly be, because he's only interested in grappling with the strongest arguments possible-- the mark of a man who truly respects the power of his own mind (and also truly wants the best for humanity).
This is called “steel manning” btw the absolute anthesis to “straw manning”
Their navigation through the racism minefield was so interesting, they challenged each other and dissected the language. Bari is 100% right that it's all a war of language, if you cede the language you're in essence defaulting into that ideology 🤔
Jordan says at 41:22 "I've been talking to a group of people in L.A.... liberals... left of me I would say. And we've been stuck on this issue of equity - because I've been insisting, for example, that it's a drive toward equality of outcome defined exactly in the way you [Bari Weiss] described. And their insistence is; NO! That's a view that only the minority of the people who are pushing the idea of equity hold." -- That's like saying; "It's just the living room of our house that has an uncontrollable fire in it. We'll be safe as long as we stay under this bed where there is no fire."
Nice…
The baroque music is very pleasant during each introduction !
Agreed, I always enjoy listening to the intros and outros just for that lol
Reminds me of William F. Buckleys Firing Line.
@Daniel Kaplan 3 times 3 instruments.
If it ain’t baroque don’t fix it
@@robertweinmann9408 Me too. Thankfully, Peterson has the good sense not to lick the corners of his mouth incessantly.
So grateful the truth of folks are coming out and pushing back before we are ruined Hallelujah !! Now I can take my walk and listen....Thanks Dr Peterson..
Thats what I do!😀
Mutual respect for each other's opinions, with the right to have one. So rare. Thank you both.
What I’ve learned from Jordan, I would say most importantly, is how to conduct a healthy conversation that is driven toward truth through unpacking ideas that should be unpacked
And challenging one of those stubborn American myths, that it was America that ended slavery, when the UK did it decades earlier and put in a lot more effort to stop the practise around the entire world. This American exceptionalism and narcissism really does feed into the current woke pandemic.
It’s was really good to see how this started with Bari only dipping a toe in the water and pulling back and being a bit defensive. However then actually exploring the ideas and loosen up. A good genuine conversation.
I don't even care who he is talking to just happy to listen.
@@Ruturaj22 yeah in my mind anyone who lived in that world and promoted cancelling people in the past deserves every bit of it when the monster comes for them... It's like communists that persecuted people but then they got thrown in the gulag also. If they don't suffer the consequences of what they preached they'll never learn what they did wrong.
But he always chooses interesting folks.
@@WideAwakeHuman what an awful thing to say. human beings deserve redemption. you're thinking in this area is as totalitarian as the woke.
@@WideAwakeHuman your*
@@WideAwakeHuman aren’t you kind of effectively “throwing her in the gulag” as well?
Dr. Peterson. While this sounds absurd, you need to do a podcast with Norm Macdonald.
I actually think that is a great idea, and nowhere near absurd. Norm McDonald actually has deep and intellectual thinking.
YES
unfortunately for all of humanity it cannot happen as of 9.14... RIP Norm, would of been a wonderful podcast
You spelled Noam Chomsky wrong
I wish that could have happened. It would have been epic!
I was riveted by this conversation. It flowed so well from the roots of Bari's days at Columbia to her leaving the NYT. All the while, she was testing a dangerous hypothesis that the most valuable institutions were self-destructing. I love the fact that she and JBP aren't afraid to say it. And though I don't agree with their worldviews, I find their sound thinking and reasonableness so refreshing. Thanks to both of you for sharing 2+ hours of your lives to think it through and take us along!
I study at Columbia and have a friend who is in the Middle Eastern studies department who says the exact same thing about it.
In 2020 she called Tulsi Gabbard an Assad toady, despite having no idea about the whole issue. Let's hope she has grown since.
That was her? Bwaha!
She definitely "seems" to be an Assad sympathizer. Refusing to call him a war criminal and human rights abuser who has killed so many people "like cockroaches" and shows no regrets. Lobbying against trying to bring him to justice and remove him from power. I think Bari Weiss is much more educated about the world than you give credit for... maybe I'm wrong but that's how I see it.
@@mrmichaelhallett I guess she understands that trash talking your enemies, specially those you want to negotiate with, may not produce the results you want.
Her personality has been affected by Jewish-American culture.
@Whut DaPhuk? I don't know. How many?
I first discovered Bari when I saw her interview Dr. Peterson on my first binges of his videos. I've watched her appearances on Bill Maher, and followed the story of her resignation from NYT. Her most recent appearance on Real Time made me search her out again.
What a treat this was to find. More than two hours of what I now think are two of my favorite voices of today. This made me a fan, I'll definitely be checking out Substack.
"Judgement is essential!" YES!
This is where the left goes so wrong.
In order to operate you have to be able to say something is better than another thing. You need to have judgement.
Check out Evan Sayet “Regurgitating the Apple” on YT.
@@jakebullet1731 Thanks! I'll check it out!
Without judgment we are all prey animals!
@@jakebullet1731 That Evan Sayet talk was great! Thank you!
Welcome to the centrist fringe, otherwise known as the politically homeless majority!
That's hilarious, but true
I hope we are the majority, not so sure.
I call it radical centrism.
Majority in number perhaps. Not so much in power or voice currently though.
Most of us wouldn't have even been considered "centrist" 1 decade ago. My family was all Blue Collar Dems, voting Reagan/Bush/Clinton. I think Obama was the beginning of our current "split" of parties.
The "right" is now essentially Conservatives/JFK Dems/Moderates/Populists. The "Left" is now just nothing but Woke. The "right" is just a coalition of Americans trying to survive a cultural marxist onslaught and trying to just live their own lives.
We range from Trump and Desantis over to Tulsi Gabbard.
This was fantastic. I have gained a lot of respect for this woman following this conversation. I love their dynamic with another. She has such a strong composition which is great against Jordan's challenges and questioning style.
I love her ability to contend with the content and revere it over any preoccupation one might have with Peterson's acumen. Hers is focused and prodigious. All the while she is open and receptive, and unthreatened. GOD I loved this.
As much as I love this interview, as it's incredibly raw and revealing, its so sad to see how far lost we are.
Thank you for bringing back beauty through music in the introduction. Beauty in the arts is what I truly miss the most these dark days.
Yes, Dr. Peterson needs to introduce James Lindsay to his Audience. James Lindsay is our Greatest Anti-Woke Warrior.
Yes, this NEEDS to happen !
I second this!
A MUST!! I have my 12 and 8 year old listen to James Lindsay's podcasts. They are well prepared for what's coming.
@@hahaok_ She's an apologist for Zionism.
@@markdouglas1601 90% of everything I’ve ever heard from him is talking specifically about radical academic leftism, so what slightly left idea is he being a contrarian about exactly? His shitposts on Twitter are very different than his podcasts and interviews.
Fantastic to see JP doing long talks, again. He’s looking great, and I hope he feels as good as he looks.
❤️
Wonderful conversation! There was so much enjoyment portrayed in the discussion, that it enhanced the enjoyment for those tuning in
“Victimization “ is what you can’t put your finger on. It’s complex and simple at the same time. It’s divisive and popular and drives both (all) sides. It creates tribes and will create winners and losers of all of us… But in the end, self victimization guarantees that losers come after the egg and the chicken.
My son said the same thing. He had been in the Marines and had served in the Middle East but he could not speak freely about his experiences so he dropped out of college.
@@wade2bosh that's the dumbest thing I've heard all day.
The love I can feel Jordan has for his guests makes me cry
Very informative interview. It was sometimes frustrating when Bari Weis was cut off in the middle of her thought, but otherwise this was an excellent interview.
She recognized all of this after her career was attacked. However, I'm glad she is awake now.
Exactly, her blinkers have basically been ripped off.
She isn't awake, she's an opportunist. She was quite happy to use her position at the NYT to slander and cancel anyone who dared to criticise Israel which is committing war crimes daily. Then cancel culture came for her over something she said. And now she's crying a river full of crocodile tears (while still shitting on dead Palestinian children and innocent families kicked out of their homes.)
@@RealonomicsBook blame dead Palestinian children on Hamas, not Israel. Israel is the only bastion of Democracy and Western civilization in the Middle East and the terrorists want it destroyed. If Gaza didn’t allow terrorists to fire rockets from hospitals and schools, Israel wouldn’t fire back at those places. There is an attack on civilization as we know it from all angles. Hamas is attempting to destroy the west with rockets and these ideologues are attempting to destroy the west with critical theory
She was pretty awake for awhile. She just had to be quiet and careful about it. She doesn't have to pretend (as much) now.
@@kimmariebimmarie by that logic, blame hamas on IDF. seriously, "attempting to destroy the west" is such a bland and stupid narrative, it's a shame people with all the information and their finger tips believe it or get away with spouting it. No matter what Hamas did or does justifies what is happening to Arab Israelis as well as Palestinians.
Always build your own opinion about the person he interviews before reading the comments and confusing your opinion with others'
...yes, please. 🙂
Well said. Scary tribalistic knee jerk reactions happening here. She’s not perfect; none of us are.
And don't bother asking anyone to backup their claims with evidence, even sincerely with honest intentions.
Underrated comment
Stopped me in my tracks, thanks.
Has Bari ever corrected her record or apologized for her article on Tulsi Gabbard? I hadn’t seen anything.
What did she say about Tulsi Gabbard that needed to be retracted?
@@juliemunoz2762 she said that Tulsi was an Assad toadie and had to admit she wasn't sure of the meaning of toadie, cf interview with Joe Rogan
@@juliemunoz2762 A few things, an Assad toadie and tulsi had monstrous ideas......probably refering to tulsi's anti US regime change practises and war mongering
@@sardukar1234 I see, thank you for the clarification. As a conservative I see Tulsi Gabbard as someone who is honest and I believe she has love for the country but I think her ideas of Governance are too far left she’s definitely socialist in nature. though I’d rather have an honest socialist than a traitorous sellout like we currently have. Of course I’d rather see an American first patriot above both of those. I was elected officials are supposed to have American interests first when developing domestic and foreign policy
@@juliemunoz2762 ........with some respect and as a foreigner....i dont care who runs the US as long as they stop sanctioning countries during a pandemic, steal Syria's oil, arm rebels, regime change wars and invade/occupy other countries. Foreign policy is built around enriching weapon manufacturers, why else do you always have a Raytheon executive as sec defence in left and right admins. Should start caring about the unelected officials instead of right, left, socialist etc
What an excellent conversation. I felt like I was in the room making arguments in my own head so I’d be prepared when they threw the mic my way. It’s funny how honest conversation can easily steal your focus because it is so rare.
Jordan Peterson has a proclivity for the use of the word proclivity.
He certainly tends to propagate an inequal distribution of words across time.
@@silasg3650 I believe all humans have a proclivity for doing this.
I find it proclivitous that everytime I say "Jordan" I always say "Peterson". Its like one big word to me. JordanPeterson.
@@heynsenene lmao, i swear to god I feel you. same thing for me
*...has a proclivity to use the word "proclivity."
Re: crack vs. cocaine sentencing. I'm not going to let that point slide. This is something that people who are completely clueless about both drugs and the criminal justice system keep trotting out as an example. Crack and cocaine are not even remotely close to the same thing. Just because one is made from the other is not a logical reason to say they should have the same punishment. Furthermore, there's another drug called heroine. It carries exactly the same sentence as crack. Guess what. It's white people who overwhelmingly go to prison for it. This is a prime example of clueless or malicious people cherry picking data to push a narrative. Crack has far more in common with heroine than it does with cocaine. Stop pushing this zombie lie that crack sentencing exists to hurt minorities. That was never true and makes no logical sense if you know anything about the subject.
Do you perhaps know a source offhand that you could recommend for further reading about that distinction?
Very true, point well made.
Thank you for not letting that point slide.
Yes, Larry Elder debunked that accusation about crack vs cocaine sentencing. Bari should be better informed about that.
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Do you have a link to that? I'd love to see it.
As to courage, see Sun Tzu: death ground. When you put someone on death ground, the person loses all fear and will fight like a tiger. Once you realize there is no other choice, that is when you see courage.
D day
Yeah, I remember “The Art of War” saying something about making sure to leave your enemy a way out.
It is so refreshing fo see honest concerns about where are we heading (I'm from Czechia, not as bad in here, but I think it is wise to check the world to see what is coming ahead...) in a world of fake virtue signaling. I can see both of you are on a verge of honest tears at the end of discussion and its quite moving and understandable. But the "farewell waving" has left me astounded... so many words could be said instead of one small, "uncommon" gesture . Thank you both for all you are doing. With love from Czechia :)
I wonder if she has rethought her opinions of Tulsi Gabbard, based on the groupthink of the NY Times?
(as a result making an ass of herself on Joe Rogan)
@@TheKiddy3 it was hard to take her even remotely seriously after that display. lol
Not really. Bari is still a knee jerk partisan she just doesn't like the woke.