Agree. It is a tempest in a teapot in elite circles. Unfortunately their uninformed echo chamber world view is a problem because of the power of the elites.
Agree. So many good people were cancelled by her NY Times. She should devote her life to restoring people who were cancelled - especially white, heterosexual men who have received the brunt of "intersectional" progressives.
I wouldn't lionize Bowles too much - she was an enthusiastic practitioner of cancel culture for years and only found her principles when they came for her. Glad she did but she should start every interview with an apology and a call to other "progressives" to disavow that approach.
They’re coming for their own now. We can either welcome them back to sanity, or we can let the same purity culture dictate how we push them back out to the left.
@@johnl5316 No, it is the only way people actually change. There's nothing sadistic about seeing people finally understand what they have subjected others to: that 'click' moment.
Well that’s not exactly true. A certain group of conservatives have been at war with ATF and BLM for many years. Since Trump, the FBI has entered the crosshairs as well.
It will all be forgotten in time. We’ve pretty much already moved on . I still don’t fully understand the chaos of 2020 and I don’t know who would give me the honest answers I’m looking for
She had no problem with it. She had no problem canceling people or she would not have done it to begin with. What does it say about her as a person the only reason why she hates it now is because she was canceled.
historically journalist in the USA have lived and died on the foundation of the first amendment of the Bill of Rights - regardless of political leaning. And indeed, there was a time that left leaning liberals cherished th 1st amendment. But the left of today that has totally embraced hardcore Marxist ideology wants to trample the 1st amendment out of existence so that they can assert themselves as in complete authoritarian control and only they can purvey permissible ideological thought. George Orwell's Big Brother is the depiction of what they aspire to. They are the complete anthesis to the United States republic and are a complete anthesis to western civilization. These kind of modalities (what the political left is in the West today) always mark the darkest chapters in human history.
She has admitted to destroying other people for attention and pleasure and saying she now realises it’s wrong, but where is the atonement, the making it right with those people she wronged? That is an extremely important part of redeeming yourself after you realised that you have done wrong.
That’s the thing she not remorseful and not looking for atonement. She’s out of a job so what does she do? Writes a book. That’s all she is doing promoting her book. I’m still waiting for her to start writing retraction articles and righting the harm she has done. And writing the truth about trump not the hit pieces she was paid to write.
The most telling point of that entire conversation is how Nellie, clearly a person of the left, was unable to distinguish moderate political beliefs (Trump) from Marxist ones (The Democrat party, at this point). The left side of the aisle is chock full of people who have never studied Marxism. You'll notice that the word Marxism never came up in that entire interview. This is the modern iteration of mincheviks versus Bolsheviks, almost exactly 100 years later.
I had a family member tell me about a year ago that Woke was just a boogeyman made up by The Right. That was basically a traumatic experience for me. To see someone I'd been raised with and knew all my life fall for this lie while right in front of his eyes it was so blatantly obviously a real phenomenon disturbed and unsettled me. I've yet to hear any kind of acknowledgement that Woke is a real thing from him. The irony is the people most caught up in this frenzy most resemble the Nazi and yet they are accusing you of being one for simply pointing out the obvious.
I've thought many times that the people who most strongly believe in the mainstream media narrative would probably stand in front with their right arm in the air at Hitler's rallies.
The media and websites like wikipedia basically are collaborators. it all started after the pandemic started. a great way for the non white CCP to divert attention from the accountability they deserve. Tim Walts faked the Floyd autopsy for political purposes. the question is, "Whose political purpose?"
@@aidananstey9848 it’s not quite enough though is it to say that She is brushing past well organised lying on her part. It’s just not enough. She should be ashamed and apologise sincerely and in detail.
@@aidananstey9848 What they're talking about isn't just cancellations. There's wanting someone to be cancelled for what they say and then there's CREATING the very lies or half-truths that you use to get people cancelled. It's why there's a fantastic new job title for a lot of these "journalists" and it's smear merchants.
The Guardian is most assuredly not 'one of the world's most respected newspapers'.as Freddy claims. It is widely considered to be a joke, especially in the UK.
The Guardian WAS one of the most respected newspapers. Like a lot of outlets they've made clowns of themselves over the past few decades and destroyed most of their former credibility.
While I appreciate what this woman is bringing to light, what stands out for me here is this: her motivation, still, is “getting on the front page.” She doesn’t seem bothered at all by being “on the side of cancelling people”, how she was “on the good side of twitter.” I sense almost no self-reflection here apart from her leaving the club because they were interfering with her writing. She gladly went along with inserting warnings about PragerU and ruining their reputation (and I’m not even a fan of them) until it got in the way of her own ambitions.
"Censorship is telling a man he can't have a steak just because a baby can't chew it" -Mark Twain I think we have a generation of people that are unable to understand another point of view. In other words, obliterating any chance of persuasion or change.
100% It's because they don't see their own point of view as a point of view. We vastly overestimate our ability to be objective and fail to see the inherent value judgements involved in our pursuit of truth.
“If an individual in a position of political power is a psychopath, he or she can create an epidemic of psychopathology in people who are not, essentially, psychopathic.” Political Ponerology: A Science on the Nature of Evil Adjusted for Political Purposes by Andrzej Lobaczewski.
@@simex909This is so true. I keep pointing out to people everywhere that their 'facts' are pov and that others can and do think differently. They can't get it AT ALL. Very odd. They're mostly millennials so hopefully there's still space for them to mature and gain wisdom.
You know what did it for me? Watching a Broadway play and listening to a land-acknowledgement and realizing that NOT A SINGLE one of these phony pretentious people would EVER give up their privilege for a Native American. Or Asian. I still love NY but my GOD the pretentious, smug, arrogant bubble these people live in.
I honestly don’t understand the entire discussion around privilege. These folks that like to acknowledge their privilege really don’t seem to do much else to help others ..? Is it all virtue signaling and race hustling? Seems like that to me
I have never heard of an asian land acknowledgement. What does that sound like? “ i recognize that Samsung will legally own this city thirty years from now” ?
My alma mater has done land acknowledgements for close to a decade now, all while expanding the size of campus almost on a bi-annual basis for about 15 years now.
Does one needs to "give up privileges" to recognize that a wrong has been done. Better than shovel under the carpet centuries of colonialism and yes, genocides of the "Injuns".
She didn't notice anything wrong with NYT in 2020?!! It was her dream job? ! Clueless, til they came for HER. "I canceled people. " The clown that cried.
There was definitely a strong shift around 2019/2020, especially in the NYT. It is true that already before that the NYT had become more partisan but it had been more open to other point of views. The "disinformation popes" which came into the newsrooms changed the paper.
"he is legally a woman, so theres nothing wrong with him being in yhe female space' - lets not rush to welcmoe her to the fold, she is still bringing ideas like that with her.
She said “technically” at the end. Which gives a whole different context to what she said. Don’t twist things around because you didn’t like how she worded ONE sentence. She clearly isn’t okay with what happened if you listened to literally everything else she said.
No trans woman has ever reported phantom pain after amputating their penis, nearly every other man whose lost theirs does. They're not like us. I won't deny that it's weird and I don't know why there's so many more now, or how we're supposed to deal with the issues they're bringing up. But this pretending like they aren't real shit is a losing strategy. 'Cause one day they'll be serving you drinks or fixing your roof and if you insist on knowing about their genitals before calling them ma'am or sir then everyone's going to look at you like you're the pervert, and they'll be right.
Southern Poverty Law Center’s founder, Morris Dee, was one of my heroes as a teen & young adult. A young, black man was lynched in the early 1980s in South Alabama. Dees sued the Ku Klux Klan on behalf of that young man’s mother & won, forcing the KKK into bankruptcy & forcing them to sign over their land to that mother, a black woman. It felt like the great turning point in justice & race relations for my beloved South. Instead of letting KKK members off for unthinkable violence & crimes, Southerners were declaring that no one will cotton to racism anymore. It broke my heart to learn that my former hero was a sexual harasser to female employees at the SPLC. If that weren’t bad enough, he turned his organization into a lying propaganda machine that has had a leading role in trying to stop free speech, the debate of ideas, & to literally destroy America itself. If morris Dees has any shred of humanity left, he should admit what he did & apologize to all Americans for trying to kill our Constitution & country.
He's still alive? If he's responsible for the perversion of the SPLC, it's probably because he soon ran out of cases like the one you describe and needed to reinvent the organization to stay "relevant" to lefties on the mailing list and to stay in business.
I know that Freddie was trying to be accommodating, but this is the type of question I would have expected him to ask. It’s why I listen to every Unheard podcast.
I somewhat agree. She was fine with Prager U being relegated to 'terror status' and she almost is apologetic for the Korean Spa trial, which is farcical and abusive to an underage witness. Not sure.
She is and everyone who is coming out of school is too. We have about 80 years of progressively worse lies being presents as Truth that I am aware of. Its hard to believe they are not true, I use Polosi as an example, as a Catholic she has no business supporting the murder of babies.
I am an ordinary 68 year old and know how to make my mind up about issues, and certainly don’t need any checking facts for me. All Adults are responsible for their own Learning and when someone surrender their learning, they surrender their right to participate in the narrative on all issues and become a SLAVE.
Whoa. I'm conservative, and I and all of the conservatives I known would really like to live in peace with those we disagree with. Assuming thatba conservative wants to bust things up just to do it is truly offensive. I want people to live as they choose, keep their hands and opinions out of things that affect my daily life, and keep their agenda away from my kids.
Nellie isn't just a liberal, she's a California progressive, and as such responsible for, and complicit in the lunacies her political side has brought about. Like several other progressives, they liked it while it didn't concern them, then "saw the light on the way to Damascus" when the lunacy turned against them, as it tends to do. Now, surprised and dismayed, she backpedals and calls her own comrades extremist. Some of us have been telling you they were dangerous extremists since before she figured it out, but I guess she wasn't smart enough to see it? Crocodile tears aren't charming.
So you think that St. Paul should have been pillaried by the original disciples after his revelation? Do you want her to nail herself to a literal cross? She's standing up now, drawing fire. I'm happy about that. We've seen what the left can do to people whom they want to silence.
Yeah! Let’s just alienate everyone into oblivion! Who cares how she came about grasping some common sense. She has it now. And we need as many people as we can get. You’re literally doing the EXACT SAME THING that we are sitting here criticizing. Ostracizing someone because they don’t exactly align with what you believe or how you believe someone should come to their beliefs. Stop.
Late to the party. But she was and is unapologetically part of the tribe. While she is aghast at what happened, I suspect she would gladly rejoin it if they welcomed her back.
Agreed. I was one of the people that 'helped' get their BTL section turned off completely by being too critical of the idiots, racists and Marxists they had working there. In fact, I think one of the Untereditorialen's reasons to turn off the comments was me. =D As usual, he was badly deluded.
There was a time, about 25 to 30 years ago, when I was in NY a lot. I used to think I was so sophisticated, buying and reading the NYT when I was there, and going to the website when I was here. But over the years they became more and more biased, then there the blatant lies about Brexit and Trump etc. I now hate the NYT.
Me too. Same with the New Yorker and The Atlantic. I felt sooooo sophisticated. Gradually, I came to realize just how much I was being manipulated. Never EVER EVER again.
@@dontarguewithidiots7459hey guys. Here’s my issue. Yea the left went mad. Defund the police is absurd. Sexualized drag queens don’t need to be the ones delivering literature to children, kids and teens do not need to have their anatomy and physiology reworked except in the rarest of instances, to name just a few of the psychoses that have befallen the left, drug offenses require immediate attention . But at the same time, Donald Trump is a madman whose scope of concern for humanity stops at his own outer dermal layer. And his acolytes in the judiciary are rolling back political and social progress ongoingly. I love this show but if folks here on this thread can’t see that he is the enemy of both liberals and libertarians, then they are buying into the “don’t worry he’s just a clown” narrative and don’t see the madness on the right.
Somehow she doesn't see the contradiction between the early part of her story where she's taking down Prager U on behalf of the cancelers and her later statement that "you can't cancel conservatives". The only reason that you can't cancel conservatives is that the practice is so wide spread that we see it as a condition of status now.
That's all I needed to hear. Despicable. Absolutely despicable. Until they actually own what they have helped usher the country into... Look where we are now!! This country is shit right now because *you* participated in it, Nellie!!
@@davidblake8612 as per Google: As of May 2024, The New York Times (NYT) has 9.9 million digital-only subscribers and 640,000 print subscribers, making it the second-largest newspaper in the United States by print circulation (So that's about 10 million dumb dumbs in the USA)
All journalism, always, has been subject to bias and individual instances of abuse and it has always had a tendency to cozy up to power and money. The NY Times was never different, except that it seemed to be trying to maintain a standard of unbiased integrity and competent, thorough, factuality. It was never perfect but it was the Standard by which other papers were measured because it did the best it could. Watching the Times slide from that, slide from that to the partisan rag it has become on culture war and politics is incredibly distressing. The incredibly stupid idea took over in liberal arts education that since point of view is biased there's no point in trying and claiming to be unbiased. Perfect objectivity can't be done... so rather endorse your preferred truth as truth. This stupidity was endemic in elite liberal arts education... and that's became the NYTs reporter's pool and editorial pool and they played this idea out, dragging the NYT into the cesspool of 'advocacy' media, and because the NYT truly was journalism's flagship, they dragged the rest of journalism down with it. As there is no such thing as perfect objectivity, perfect good conduct, perfect health.... therefore I will lie when it suits me, steal when I have the opportunity, and smoke and drink and drug with abandon... since I can't be perfect why even try to be otherwise, I don't advise this style but it is perfectly congruent with contemporary journalism.... that's the quality of contemporary journalism underpinning philosophy. It is the idiocy we are living with/under. In general the nuanced academic ideas of post-modernity have been shorn of complexity and contradiction and reduced to the tedious insanity contemporary "elites" really believe: 1) the most important thing, always, are the WORDS you use. WORDS over reality. WORDS are the reality that matters. 2)There is no truth. Only power. And yes the man with the gun can force you to say anything... and yet... "e pur se muove."
Indeed. I have for decades told lefties who got angry with me for causing them to shite their pants: "in terms of your pronounced ideology (can't call it a philosophy) you should be thankful for people like me, since it gives you the golden opportunity to practice respect and tolerance for different views." They still melted down despite me patting their spineless backs and immature emotional lives.
Absolutely. I'm immigrant in Canada and I have been thinking about this idea that left isn't liberal. I always heard those two words together - left-liberal. These are opposite to each other.
Correct. Left is about workers rights and equality and ultimately taking the means of production. Liberal is basically trying to pretend to care to get a more representative looking face on worse and worse capitalism.
True in America but nor is the Right . ESPECIALLY not the GOP. I presume you saw Trumps latest reassuring followers that he will fix it so you dont have to vote again... That there is facism plain and simple, no liberalism whatsoever. As to the impact on over half the population the GOP will destroy womens freedoms, so again, not the SLIGHTEST bit Liberal. Please do point out a rightwing government that is genuinely liberal? Think about it.
when he asked her why left wing protesters are occupying physical spaces (CHAZ, etc) and she had nothing insightful to say about it. lame. even i could say something about how safe spaces are about expelling heretics and creating ideological purity because that's how utopians always are.
How is a bloke wandering around a sauna with a stiffy "complex" ? What this is , is a total and utter distortion of reality and we're all suffering for it.
How can someone who sits in a world of lies that are coordinate across companies and industries sit there and think its merely people going crazy. This women does not know evil when it is all around her. Complexity is not the issue here. Its coordinated actions. Its not complex. So she may not be evil herself or she may be just a tool of evil. Anyway, her writings are not interesting when they come from a place of so little understanding.
Yes. There is no mention of an Agenda here. A worldwide coordinated Agenda. Agenda 21 and Agenda 30 to be precise. C-40 Cities. Smart Cities. The Great Reset. The 4th Industrial Revolution (devolution actually). Transhumanism! Depopulation! What a load of crap this so called interview is.
Amazing that a so called journalist who by her own admission was initially involved in cancelling people (therefore ruining their livelihoods) went on to be cancelled herself. And it was only then she realised she was in a nest of vipers, i hope she realises that she too was one of those vipers.
"I was a good soldier" "I was part of canceling people" "You can't cancel a conservative because they weren't around" and she still doesn't really get it.
@@miketomlin6040The comment was referring to Nellie Bowles, the woman, not Unherd. That should have been obvious since SHE is the one who said she didn't realize journalism was dead until 2021.
@@einnAnnie If Journalism was ''dead'' then why, or how, would she be on a mainstream media channel like UnHerd? Journalism is more alive than ever. I remember back in the 70's in the average western nation you had 20-50 media orgs pumping out data. Now we have millions, thanks to the Internet.
I appreciate her honesty and her waking up, but she’s not terribly smart for an educated person. She misinterprets so much and oversimplifies the argument and you can tell she still has a lot of biases against the right.
@@ecowifey4603rather the opposite. Left and right spread a lot of bullshit. It's never clear if some idea is left or right. Twist a few words a bit and a left idea becomes a right one or vice versa. Claiming this is an easy black or white decision doesn't indicate much insight.
No I don't think that things are getting better. A bell can never be un rung. Pretending that events didn't happen to avoid consequences is not a sign of improvement.
While i like that Nellie has been slapped into realising that wokery is not good news, in any sense, i feel like it was just deserts if she was actively cancelling others. This kind of behaviour is reprehensible, and anti-society. People should realise that cancelling others just means everyone else will have to carry them in the end. It is also weakness to not be able to debate and win your point, assuming you actually believe you are right.
I will say that you cannot win a point against 'progressives'. There is no logic so she was between a rock a hard place. You reach to top of your profession, you are the insider and I understand she really wanted to stay there. They turned on her because of Bari Weiss. She had to chose, otherwise I think she would have stayed, like a good soldier.
Keep ignoring the elephant in the room I.s.l.a.m. 🙈🙉🙊🫣 In thier credo "Right wing" means Unbelievers and not one of us, Islam is the approved religion of Left they have learnt from the Islam. How to create diversions, deception and Slander for the left, these are the same tricks used by followers of the religion of Peace.
All these people trying to back paddle after being the main supporters of this insanity is quite distasteful. They have no backbone, just an endless supply of ambition and the constant desire to remain relevant. Sad…
@@Ruby_Spacek People are free to extend compassion and sympathy to whoever they see fit but there are no shoulds in this because so many behaved unethically with no consideration for others. My sympathy goes first and foremost to those who suffered so much through this BS, those who lost jobs, whose career was ruined, whose family relationships were forever destroyed, whose lives were literally ruined. That’s where the compassion should go!
@Ruby_Spacek I think everyone is happy for a person to be able to change their mind, but perhaps they should be humble enough to admit the part they played and the mistakes they made. When people do that, I admire them for their commitment to truth.
This is the reporter who wrote the nyt article about jordan peterson... Now shes complaining about exactly what she did to him without feeling any need to apologize. Uh...ok
My mother was an Editor in Chief and she says if she was still doing this today she would fire all of these journalistic hacks. She is nearly 90 years old now and does not want people to know she was a journalist / editor because she does not want to be associated with the hacks of today who she claims have ruined the profession.
She sucks. She is so messed up ahw still lies to self and any listener . its the natural way with the IV league phoney ilk hired by the Mt $ Îon Times IMHO.
Everyone must come to their right mind in their own time. It’s normal to not see something as long as it’s still benefiting you. She only came to this conclusion after it no longer benefited her. As a 3rd generation hetero San Francisco Caucasian person, many of us never benefited by this and were negatively impacted years earlier, so we had no problem seeing it coming a mile down Broadway way before even 2016. I could see the shift during the 2007/2008 era when they bailed out the banks instead of the home owners. And then suddenly the super divisive identity stuff started in order to distract us and divide us. But for many people who benefited from these divisions, it didn’t occur to them to care until their group was suddenly deemed privileged.
Left versus right no longer explain things anymore. Nellie is obviously a liberal but she's a recent convert to being anti-cultural-establishment liberal, which means she's on the same side as the anti-cultural-establishment conservatives. This is the new alliance that anti-establishment conservatives (like myself) should welcome with open arms.
I can thoroughly recommend “Slouching toward Post-Journalism” by Martin Gurri, a very insightful piece about the downward spiral of the NYT. Reading up on Post-Modernism clarifies a lot of the apparent Insanity.
No it is not complicated. How someone 'identifies' should never have been, and should never be a thing. The case shouldn't hinge on the, ahem, state of the male thing. It should hinge on the fact that a person who has (or even had) one of those is not a woman, and should not be in that space. Done. The fact that a person has a drivers license that says otherwise doesn't complicate the matter because it doesn't change reality, it simply demonstrates the Orwellian idiocy of the CA DMV and the kabuki theater of legal (and media) nonsense that necessarily follows.
Bingo. It’s like we’re living in an “Emperor’s New Clothes” reality where people are encouraged to pretend that something is the opposite of the obvious reality that the emperor is wearing no clothes.
Antifa started in Eugene, Oregon. They originally designated themselves as anarchists and environmental activists. They were always violent. Andy Ngo is a courageous free-lance reporter on Antifa. Thanks for a great video.
I am not an American, but given their activities, I must assume Antifa was some sort of agent provocateur organization, even if some individual members did not know it. Just a hunch, though.
Antifa has existed in Europe decades before US. They were established in Germany as Antifaschistische Aktion by the Communist Party of Germany and they still use pretty much the same logo. There is e.g. a photo of Karl-Liebknecht-Haus from the 1930's where logo has quite prominent place on the face of Communist headquarters. US version is offshoot of the European version pretty much with same values, there are plenty of photos and videos of them carrying communist flags, slogans and images like hammer and sickle and such.
The Guardian is one of the world'sost respected newspapers? Not for anyone who is aware of the paper'a complicity in the character assassination and imprisonment without charge or trial for wnat RF Kennedy has called 'doing his job:. In fact extraordinarily it was Guardian reporters who released Assange's information unredacted.
Until she became the victim, she was happy to participate in the pile on. 2020?. She's such a recent convert. I hear no apology for her prior complicity.
Thank you. I always am happy to see a new video from UnHerd. I'm 65, and young at heart, and as an American I so value what you are doing and your guests.
Has anyone noticed that people no longer know the difference between SIMPLISTIC and SIMPLE??? And people say SIMPLISTIC when they actually mean SIMPLE because they think it sounds more sophisticated. I run into this almost daily.
@@alihenderson5910 'Simplistic' is used to denote making something appear simple, when in fact it is not. Ex: 'He gave a simplistic explanation of complex current events'.
Having lived through this time, I am still so disturbed and depressed by the collective lying and revisionist history. It is hard for me to watch this interview. Yes there are people out there who will lie and kill in their madness.
1, one, ONE, exactly one person apologized directly to me for excluding me from social gatherings and meetings because I didn’t get vaccinated. We are still friends. One of the first things, that no one “remembers” from the initial vaccination information, is about blood clots. Having had issues with this before, I consulted my doctor, who agreed with me, about holding off and waiting. I never got it and now read and in some social circles hear about blood clot problems and complications. I digress, yes, only one person ever apologized and I respect them for that.
I had a similar experience although I didn't have the excuse of a pre existing medical condition. No one should need such an excuse in order to be allowed to decline any largely untested pharma product, especially ones that utilize largely untested gene based technology, which may provide some immunity (fingers crossed) against a purported virus that, if it exists at all, has a fatality rate of about 1/30th of the flu (according to NZ stats) and that is only if the definition of "virus death" is so broadly and disingenuously defined to exaggerate the risk by an unknown factor. The fact that none of these valid points have been touched upon in the mainstream media discredits all MSM outlets especially given the importance of the issue to every person and the amount of MSM space dedicated to encouraging uptake.
I get the impression that she still doesn’t realize just how damaging and dangerous what she was a part of still is.
Agree. It is a tempest in a teapot in elite circles. Unfortunately their uninformed echo chamber world view is a problem because of the power of the elites.
She's definitely unaware of Co-Intel Pro.
She knows, she's trying to retcon her individual responsibility to grift her way into the good graces of the rising tide.
yeah when she said the, "good part" of twitter with no irony... lol
Agree. So many good people were cancelled by her NY Times. She should devote her life to restoring people who were cancelled - especially white, heterosexual men who have received the brunt of "intersectional" progressives.
I wouldn't lionize Bowles too much - she was an enthusiastic practitioner of cancel culture for years and only found her principles when they came for her. Glad she did but she should start every interview with an apology and a call to other "progressives" to disavow that approach.
They’re coming for their own now. We can either welcome them back to sanity, or we can let the same purity culture dictate how we push them back out to the left.
Her ridiculous girlfriend continues the censorship and cancel culture.
One could say the same about JK Rowling!
She was raised into this culture, be happy she realized that it was crazy because this kind of crazy is so without truth and lies are evil.
@@ph8077 Indeed. Many such cases.
The fact that she was subjected to the same nefarious behavior that she subjected others to is the most satisfying part of her story.
it satisfies sadism
@@johnl5316 No, it is the only way people actually change. There's nothing sadistic about seeing people finally understand what they have subjected others to: that 'click' moment.
IMHO she is a knee jerk subversive. Not to be trusted.
@@johnl5316 Hardly, numbnuts. The insipid rabid cancelers are the sadists.
@@johnl5316Justice is not Sadism
Conservatives never advocated for defunding the police. Lady, your group did. Don’t dump that on us.
Yep. She ruined her credibility with that alone.
timestamp?
Well that’s not exactly true. A certain group of conservatives have been at war with ATF and BLM for many years. Since Trump, the FBI has entered the crosshairs as well.
Yeah. Smaller government yes. Defunding police no.
@@s.cazorla251 what do you think that means, Travis?
"I lived for praise, obviously", she says.
That's the root of the problem right there.
Depraved narcissists
….and government pensions - that’s the other pernicious motivator for great Evil.
@@toonybrain she gets a government pension? Stay on topic.
The damage these reporters have done is disgraceful and the sad part is there will be no accountability.
It will all be forgotten in time. We’ve pretty much already moved on . I still don’t fully understand the chaos of 2020 and I don’t know who would give me the honest answers I’m looking for
'These reporters' lmao. They are jews. Name them
Yep. Most of them fail upwards actually and will be promoted.
@@brianmeen2158 Nah, I have a _very_ good memory.
Lies will come out. Have patience. ❤🎉
“My head was spinning when they turned on me because I had been involved in canceling people myself.”
Oh how the turn tables.
Couldn't have happened to a nicer person.
Lol… At least her slowly going from 10 out of 10 loony toons to 9 out of 10 over the course of half a decade is an indication of a positive trend 😂
She had NO problem BEING the Bully / Canceling others! AKA She has NO Conscience!
This comment should be pinned to the top.
these people are psychopaths, poor acquired babies...
So like I was having a blast canceling people……but then I was canceled 😭 😭😭
😂
Exactly.
She had no problem with it. She had no problem canceling people or she would not have done it to begin with. What does it say about her as a person the only reason why she hates it now is because she was canceled.
This was a weird interview.
10:07 “as a gay person…” she is angry she was pushed out of her tribe. She isn’t a journalist. She is literally an activist.
Still she is correct on everything she is reporting .. the left is increasingly authoritarian and hypocritical.
You are laying the bricks for your own demise.
And so is she, you don see it bit its right in front of you.
That is what makes this interview so awesome! She’s describing “Lord of the Flies” in the news biz. It’s the inside scoop I wanted!
Wait… she thinks the southern poverty law center, and a few other organizations like that, just suddenly got bias in the last few years or something?
How would she know. I doubt she's out of university longer than 10 years.
They have been lying smear merchant grifters for decades.
LMFAO
"...and then they came for me"....
Why wasn't it spelled out as to exactly what happened?
Shocker.
Dumb commie worshippers or should I say useful idiots
Well said.
historically journalist in the USA have lived and died on the foundation of the first amendment of the Bill of Rights - regardless of political leaning. And indeed, there was a time that left leaning liberals cherished th 1st amendment.
But the left of today that has totally embraced hardcore Marxist ideology wants to trample the 1st amendment out of existence so that they can assert themselves as in complete authoritarian control and only they can purvey permissible ideological thought.
George Orwell's Big Brother is the depiction of what they aspire to.
They are the complete anthesis to the United States republic and are a complete anthesis to western civilization.
These kind of modalities (what the political left is in the West today) always mark the darkest chapters in human history.
She has admitted to destroying other people for attention and pleasure and saying she now realises it’s wrong, but where is the atonement, the making it right with those people she wronged? That is an extremely important part of redeeming yourself after you realised that you have done wrong.
That's what she's doing. Most people wouldn't stand up and draw fire like she does. Most people would just keep their heads down and keep quiet.
@@edennis8578 she’s never apologised to Jordan Peterson, one of the most famous victims of her NY hit pieces
@@edennis8578 Give me a break, she's here selling a book. She wants your money that's it.
That’s the thing she not remorseful and not looking for atonement. She’s out of a job so what does she do? Writes a book. That’s all she is doing promoting her book. I’m still waiting for her to start writing retraction articles and righting the harm she has done. And writing the truth about trump not the hit pieces she was paid to write.
She's a Jew. Many are like that. They view non Jews as sub human.
Just remember that this woman was part of the problem until she got kicked out of the tribe.
Yes, until they become the object of gaslighting and destruction of their livelihood they are content to go along with the cancel culture.
YEP!!
Absolutely
I remember what she did to Jordan Peterson.
The younger journalists ganged up on her.
The most telling point of that entire conversation is how Nellie, clearly a person of the left, was unable to distinguish moderate political beliefs (Trump) from Marxist ones (The Democrat party, at this point). The left side of the aisle is chock full of people who have never studied Marxism. You'll notice that the word Marxism never came up in that entire interview. This is the modern iteration of mincheviks versus Bolsheviks, almost exactly 100 years later.
Exactly
Trump is not moderate - he is a rapist
I had a family member tell me about a year ago that Woke was just a boogeyman made up by The Right. That was basically a traumatic experience for me. To see someone I'd been raised with and knew all my life fall for this lie while right in front of his eyes it was so blatantly obviously a real phenomenon disturbed and unsettled me. I've yet to hear any kind of acknowledgement that Woke is a real thing from him. The irony is the people most caught up in this frenzy most resemble the Nazi and yet they are accusing you of being one for simply pointing out the obvious.
Soooo trueee it’s grievous
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I've thought many times that the people who most strongly believe in the mainstream media narrative would probably stand in front with their right arm in the air at Hitler's rallies.
The media and websites like wikipedia basically are collaborators. it all started after the pandemic started. a great way for the non white CCP to divert attention from the accountability they deserve. Tim Walts faked the Floyd autopsy for political purposes. the question is, "Whose political purpose?"
Yep.
I have yet to see Nellie reflect on her JBP "enforced monogamy" article. She participated happily in 'take down' journalism...until it came for her.
Didn't she say at the start that she participated in "cancellations"?
@@aidananstey9848 it’s not quite enough though is it to say that
She is brushing past well organised lying on her part. It’s just not enough. She should be ashamed and apologise sincerely and in detail.
@@stereoreviewx I agree.
Well he 9:29 is annoying lol.
@@aidananstey9848 What they're talking about isn't just cancellations. There's wanting someone to be cancelled for what they say and then there's CREATING the very lies or half-truths that you use to get people cancelled.
It's why there's a fantastic new job title for a lot of these "journalists" and it's smear merchants.
The Guardian is most assuredly not 'one of the world's most respected newspapers'.as Freddy claims. It is widely considered to be a joke, especially in the UK.
If you want to understand where the Guardian is coming from, you need look no further than Owen Jones.
The Guardian is a very mixed bag. It has a lot of excellent investigative journalism and some very biased journalism.
@@lechenaultia5863 and don't forget George Monbiot.
The Guardian WAS one of the most respected newspapers. Like a lot of outlets they've made clowns of themselves over the past few decades and destroyed most of their former credibility.
I wouldn't use it as toilet paper.
Someone discovered the Third Rail of identity politics and got burned. Now imagine what most of the country feels like.
While I appreciate what this woman is bringing to light, what stands out for me here is this: her motivation, still, is “getting on the front page.” She doesn’t seem bothered at all by being “on the side of cancelling people”, how she was “on the good side of twitter.” I sense almost no self-reflection here apart from her leaving the club because they were interfering with her writing. She gladly went along with inserting warnings about PragerU and ruining their reputation (and I’m not even a fan of them) until it got in the way of her own ambitions.
Her paramour Bari Weiss had come out of the Woke closet years ago. I’m wondering if Ms. Bowles is doing this for harmony rather than conviction.
She acts like all the BS done from 2016 through 2020 was cute and innocent. F that.
The world went crazy and yes lady you were a huge part of why it did.
"Censorship is telling a man he can't have a steak just because a baby can't chew it"
-Mark Twain
I think we have a generation of people that are unable to understand another point of view.
In other words, obliterating any chance of persuasion or change.
Wow, great quote.
100% It's because they don't see their own point of view as a point of view. We vastly overestimate our ability to be objective and fail to see the inherent value judgements involved in our pursuit of truth.
“If an individual in a position of political power is a psychopath, he or she can create an epidemic of psychopathology in people who are not, essentially, psychopathic.”
Political Ponerology: A Science on the Nature of Evil Adjusted for Political Purposes
by Andrzej Lobaczewski.
@@simex909This is so true. I keep pointing out to people everywhere that their 'facts' are pov and that others can and do think differently. They can't get it AT ALL. Very odd. They're mostly millennials so hopefully there's still space for them to mature and gain wisdom.
No. With the woke, there is no truth but power. They actively disbelieve reality if it's inconvenient.
You know what did it for me? Watching a Broadway play and listening to a land-acknowledgement and realizing that NOT A SINGLE one of these phony pretentious people would EVER give up their privilege for a Native American. Or Asian. I still love NY but my GOD the pretentious, smug, arrogant bubble these people live in.
I honestly don’t understand the entire discussion around privilege. These folks that like to acknowledge their privilege really don’t seem to do much else to help others ..? Is it all virtue signaling and race hustling? Seems like that to me
I have never heard of an asian land acknowledgement. What does that sound like? “ i recognize that Samsung will legally own this city thirty years from now” ?
You forgot "hypocritical." Very important.
My alma mater has done land acknowledgements for close to a decade now, all while expanding the size of campus almost on a bi-annual basis for about 15 years now.
Does one needs to "give up privileges" to recognize that a wrong has been done. Better than shovel under the carpet centuries of colonialism and yes, genocides of the "Injuns".
“Defund the police” was just as ill-thought as “Queers for Palestine”.
*The day I was added to the SPLC "Hatewatch" list was one of the proudest days of my life.*
How can I get on that list? That's like being on the Nazis' hatewatch list.
She didn't notice anything wrong with NYT in 2020?!! It was her dream job? !
Clueless, til they came for HER. "I canceled people. " The clown that cried.
Barri Weiss 2.0
You are a bit harsh. There are plenty of left-wingers who refuse to change their minds regardless of any amount of evidence.
There was definitely a strong shift around 2019/2020, especially in the NYT. It is true that already before that the NYT had become more partisan but it had been more open to other point of views. The "disinformation popes" which came into the newsrooms changed the paper.
She's a jew, wake up
She seriously needs a decent microphone too.
"he is legally a woman, so theres nothing wrong with him being in yhe female space' - lets not rush to welcmoe her to the fold, she is still bringing ideas like that with her.
saves time for me - she's nuts.
I think she said 'there is *technically* nothing wrong with him being...'
@@mrbgnle She must have meant "technically legal", because there is plenty wrong with it regardless of what the law now craz ily says.
No, I think she meant legally if the ill-founded law allows men in female spaces this is what happens.
She said “technically” at the end. Which gives a whole different context to what she said. Don’t twist things around because you didn’t like how she worded ONE sentence. She clearly isn’t okay with what happened if you listened to literally everything else she said.
A drivers license doesn’t change your sex
Bro, is Nelliei a dude? The voice sounds Trans.
No trans woman has ever reported phantom pain after amputating their penis, nearly every other man whose lost theirs does. They're not like us. I won't deny that it's weird and I don't know why there's so many more now, or how we're supposed to deal with the issues they're bringing up. But this pretending like they aren't real shit is a losing strategy. 'Cause one day they'll be serving you drinks or fixing your roof and if you insist on knowing about their genitals before calling them ma'am or sir then everyone's going to look at you like you're the pervert, and they'll be right.
The law in California
The problem with Self ID Laws
@@hlw1306and slavery was once the law. Doesn’t make it right.
The Guardian does not deserve this so-called 'well respected' publication tag. 😅
Southern Poverty Law Center’s founder, Morris Dee, was one of my heroes as a teen & young adult. A young, black man was lynched in the early 1980s in South Alabama. Dees sued the Ku Klux Klan on behalf of that young man’s mother & won, forcing the KKK into bankruptcy & forcing them to sign over their land to that mother, a black woman. It felt like the great turning point in justice & race relations for my beloved South. Instead of letting KKK members off for unthinkable violence & crimes, Southerners were declaring that no one will cotton to racism anymore.
It broke my heart to learn that my former hero was a sexual harasser to female employees at the SPLC. If that weren’t bad enough, he turned his organization into a lying propaganda machine that has had a leading role in trying to stop free speech, the debate of ideas, & to literally destroy America itself. If morris Dees has any shred of humanity left, he should admit what he did & apologize to all Americans for trying to kill our Constitution & country.
He's still alive? If he's responsible for the perversion of the SPLC, it's probably because he soon ran out of cases like the one you describe and needed to reinvent the organization to stay "relevant" to lefties on the mailing list and to stay in business.
Did Bowles ever apolgize to Jordan Peterson?
That would be a very interesting discussion
I'm guessing she hasn't fully shed her shell (lobster reference)
I know that Freddie was trying to be accommodating, but this is the type of question I would have expected him to ask. It’s why I listen to every Unheard podcast.
@rob2112rob he's a pussycat
@@rob2112rob - Freddie is way too establishment, he is NOT terribly incisive and not a deep thinker.
This woman presents herself as a victim. And she is not.
I somewhat agree. She was fine with Prager U being relegated to 'terror status' and she almost is apologetic for the Korean Spa trial, which is farcical and abusive to an underage witness. Not sure.
They are happy to lie until the machine turns against them. Only then is it bad. Professional Hypocrites.
Yeah she strikes me as a nervous bullshitter.
She is and everyone who is coming out of school is too. We have about 80 years of progressively worse lies being presents as Truth that I am aware of. Its hard to believe they are not true, I use Polosi as an example, as a Catholic she has no business supporting the murder of babies.
She wrote a NYT hit piece on Jordan Peterson about "enforced monogamy"
She was a part of the inquisition counsel, until it turned on her. Has she changed? I am not sure
I am an ordinary 68 year old and know how to make my mind up about issues, and certainly don’t need any checking facts for me. All Adults are responsible for their own Learning and when someone surrender their learning, they surrender their right to participate in the narrative on all issues and become a SLAVE.
Fact-checking is just a Marxist assault on the First Amendment.
Fact checking is normal part of journalism - how old are you and you don't know that?
Whoa. I'm conservative, and I and all of the conservatives I known would really like to live in peace with those we disagree with. Assuming thatba conservative wants to bust things up just to do it is truly offensive. I want people to live as they choose, keep their hands and opinions out of things that affect my daily life, and keep their agenda away from my kids.
Is that why you ban books? Keeping to yourself?
We always knew that they eventually eat their own. That will be their downfall.
Look no further than the injections they’re pushing and taking on the left.
lol this is not whats happening. She is jewish. They like to lead the opposition too so they can render it ineffective. She is safe
The Guardian is a JOKE
And let's add to that . . . UN GRANDE FIASCO! . . . mama mia!
Spell it correctly = The Grauniad (Their editing and proofreading have been a joke since the paper was the Manchester Guardian.)
most Mass Medias owned by The Globalists are jokes and they are many of them
The NYTimes is a joke.... where is the REAL reporting that holds our government accountable?
I see that the Mail us A LOT better, right? 😂😂😂😂
Nellie isn't just a liberal, she's a California progressive, and as such responsible for, and complicit in the lunacies her political side has brought about. Like several other progressives, they liked it while it didn't concern them, then "saw the light on the way to Damascus" when the lunacy turned against them, as it tends to do. Now, surprised and dismayed, she backpedals and calls her own comrades extremist. Some of us have been telling you they were dangerous extremists since before she figured it out, but I guess she wasn't smart enough to see it? Crocodile tears aren't charming.
Well said!
So you think that St. Paul should have been pillaried by the original disciples after his revelation? Do you want her to nail herself to a literal cross? She's standing up now, drawing fire. I'm happy about that. We've seen what the left can do to people whom they want to silence.
well said!
USA Progressives aee barely left of centre, if you think they are ''extreme'' then so is Boris Johnson who is near Joe Biden on the compass!
Yeah! Let’s just alienate everyone into oblivion! Who cares how she came about grasping some common sense. She has it now. And we need as many people as we can get. You’re literally doing the EXACT SAME THING that we are sitting here criticizing. Ostracizing someone because they don’t exactly align with what you believe or how you believe someone should come to their beliefs. Stop.
"Being pro life isn't disinformation." This is why we must fight to preserve the 1st Amendment.
Late to the party. But she was and is unapologetically part of the tribe. While she is aghast at what happened, I suspect she would gladly rejoin it if they welcomed her back.
No one intelligent has thought the Guardian was a great newspaper since the 2000s.
Then why do all the white college grads I went to high school with use it as a source?
I stopped buying it around then :)
Agreed. I was one of the people that 'helped' get their BTL section turned off completely by being too critical of the idiots, racists and Marxists they had working there. In fact, I think one of the Untereditorialen's reasons to turn off the comments was me. =D As usual, he was badly deluded.
It’s a joke
or NYT or WSJ or NPR
There was a time, about 25 to 30 years ago, when I was in NY a lot. I used to think I was so sophisticated, buying and reading the NYT when I was there, and going to the website when I was here. But over the years they became more and more biased, then there the blatant lies about Brexit and Trump etc. I now hate the NYT.
Me too. Same with the New Yorker and The Atlantic. I felt sooooo sophisticated. Gradually, I came to realize just how much I was being manipulated. Never EVER EVER again.
@@dontarguewithidiots7459hey guys. Here’s my issue. Yea the left went mad. Defund the police is absurd. Sexualized drag queens don’t need to be the ones delivering literature to children, kids and teens do not need to have their anatomy and physiology reworked except in the rarest of instances, to name just a few of the psychoses that have befallen the left, drug offenses require immediate attention . But at the same time, Donald Trump is a madman whose scope of concern for humanity stops at his own outer dermal layer. And his acolytes in the judiciary are rolling back political and social progress ongoingly. I love this show but if folks here on this thread can’t see that he is the enemy of both liberals and libertarians, then they are buying into the “don’t worry he’s just a clown” narrative and don’t see the madness on the right.
Anyone who uses "I" six times in four sentences will never be sophisticated.
@@johnsmith1474 live your life by these glib formulas or you just trying to seem sophisticated to the tragics who take TH-cam comments seriously?
@@johnsmith1474me ow
The obsession with calling anything that isn't politically correct fascist or "right deviationist" comes directly out of Stalin's and Mao's playbooks.
yes, we would be very much better off, if we would all agree that there is no right wing and all "far-right" is center left bullshit.
and was used by the right as much as the left
Somehow she doesn't see the contradiction between the early part of her story where she's taking down Prager U on behalf of the cancelers and her later statement that "you can't cancel conservatives". The only reason that you can't cancel conservatives is that the practice is so wide spread that we see it as a condition of status now.
Nellie wrote the "enforced monogamy" NYT hit piece on Jordan Peterson.
Peterson is a junky flake and a tool for his Zionist masters who he cries for.
That's all I needed to hear. Despicable. Absolutely despicable. Until they actually own what they have helped usher the country into... Look where we are now!! This country is shit right now because *you* participated in it, Nellie!!
Interesting! Thank you. This chick gives me the creeps in a way that I cannot explain.
Peterson, the extremist zionist?
@@genestone4951 Definitely. Read my comment above in the main comments.
Thanks Freddie Sayers and Unherd. It's sobering to be reminded of how utterly nonsensical things have gotten.
Noone ever thinks ny times and truth in the same sentence.
I think you'll find millions of their readers think exactly that.
@@davidblake8612 as per Google:
As of May 2024, The New York Times (NYT) has 9.9 million digital-only subscribers and 640,000 print subscribers, making it the second-largest newspaper in the United States by print circulation
(So that's about 10 million dumb dumbs in the USA)
If the NYT said that grass is blue and the sky is green half my family would believe it and scream with rage at anyone who disagreed.
@@geoffreybrockmeier3765 no offense ment but we have medication for family like that
All journalism, always, has been subject to bias and individual instances of abuse and it has always had a tendency to cozy up to power and money. The NY Times was never different, except that it seemed to be trying to maintain a standard of unbiased integrity and competent, thorough, factuality. It was never perfect but it was the Standard by which other papers were measured because it did the best it could. Watching the Times slide from that, slide from that to the partisan rag it has become on culture war and politics is incredibly distressing. The incredibly stupid idea took over in liberal arts education that since point of view is biased there's no point in trying and claiming to be unbiased. Perfect objectivity can't be done... so rather endorse your preferred truth as truth. This stupidity was endemic in elite liberal arts education... and that's became the NYTs reporter's pool and editorial pool and they played this idea out, dragging the NYT into the cesspool of 'advocacy' media, and because the NYT truly was journalism's flagship, they dragged the rest of journalism down with it. As there is no such thing as perfect objectivity, perfect good conduct, perfect health.... therefore I will lie when it suits me, steal when I have the opportunity, and smoke and drink and drug with abandon... since I can't be perfect why even try to be otherwise, I don't advise this style but it is perfectly congruent with contemporary journalism.... that's the quality of contemporary journalism underpinning philosophy. It is the idiocy we are living with/under. In general the nuanced academic ideas of post-modernity have been shorn of complexity and contradiction and reduced to the tedious insanity contemporary "elites" really believe: 1) the most important thing, always, are the WORDS you use. WORDS over reality. WORDS are the reality that matters. 2)There is no truth. Only power. And yes the man with the gun can force you to say anything... and yet... "e pur se muove."
This lady is why nobody listens to MSM anymore, I honestly hope she is working at McDonalds now.
You do a great job Sayers. Accuracy balance and confidence is gold. Comments below adds to your interviews.
The left isn't Liberal. Think about it.
Indeed. I have for decades told lefties who got angry with me for causing them to shite their pants: "in terms of your pronounced ideology (can't call it a philosophy) you should be thankful for people like me, since it gives you the golden opportunity to practice respect and tolerance for different views." They still melted down despite me patting their spineless backs and immature emotional lives.
Absolutely. I'm immigrant in Canada and I have been thinking about this idea that left isn't liberal. I always heard those two words together - left-liberal. These are opposite to each other.
Correct. Left is about workers rights and equality and ultimately taking the means of production. Liberal is basically trying to pretend to care to get a more representative looking face on worse and worse capitalism.
True in America but nor is the Right .
ESPECIALLY not the GOP. I presume you saw Trumps latest reassuring followers that he will fix it so you dont have to vote again...
That there is facism plain and simple, no liberalism whatsoever. As to the impact on over half the population the GOP will destroy womens freedoms, so again, not the SLIGHTEST bit Liberal.
Please do point out a rightwing government that is genuinely liberal?
Think about it.
@@infinitejourney... Yes, absolutely.
Not surprising that a NYT reporter of this era should be so deeply unimpressive. Few interesting insights, not articulate.
Yes, I thought that.
when he asked her why left wing protesters are occupying physical spaces (CHAZ, etc) and she had nothing insightful to say about it. lame. even i could say something about how safe spaces are about expelling heretics and creating ideological purity because that's how utopians always are.
Not just NYT tbf.
Right. Overgrown child.
How is a bloke wandering around a sauna with a stiffy "complex" ? What this is , is a total and utter distortion of reality and we're all suffering for it.
When will she meet the people she smeared and apologize for her heinous actions?
Loved the interview. Huge respect for you both speaking the truth from an industry that has lost its way for integrity.
How can someone who sits in a world of lies that are coordinate across companies and industries sit there and think its merely people going crazy. This women does not know evil when it is all around her. Complexity is not the issue here. Its coordinated actions. Its not complex. So she may not be evil herself or she may be just a tool of evil. Anyway, her writings are not interesting when they come from a place of so little understanding.
Indeed well said.
Yes. Remember the movie "Broadcast News"? They made the point that MSM are just useful idiots.
Yes. There is no mention of an Agenda here. A worldwide coordinated Agenda. Agenda 21 and Agenda 30 to be precise. C-40 Cities. Smart Cities. The Great Reset. The 4th Industrial Revolution (devolution actually).
Transhumanism! Depopulation!
What a load of crap this so called interview is.
They are called "fellow travelers."
This comment.
It didn't stop in 2020, the madness continues.
And, is accelerating rapidly.
Amazing that a so called journalist who by her own admission was initially involved in cancelling people (therefore ruining their livelihoods) went on to be cancelled herself. And it was only then she realised she was in a nest of vipers, i hope she realises that she too was one of those vipers.
Almost like the snake that eats it's own tail, Ouroboros. Curious that.
You reap what you sow, lady 🤷♀️
Now just imagine how frustrating it must be for those of us that _didn't_ sow any of this bullshit.
Uh - you didn't sow capitalism? I think you did
"I was a good soldier" "I was part of canceling people" "You can't cancel a conservative because they weren't around" and she still doesn't really get it.
The childlike innocence about an adult “educated” woman finally discovering reality. The jokes write themselves
The tyranny of afluence….
This.....and she has srill has no idea how ugly, dangerous, and precarious the real world is.
If they did, they would be hard core conservative.
It confirms the idea that Woke is a cult.
If it took you until 2021 to discover journalism is dead, you are not too smart.
Unless you were drinking the Koolaid.
Unherd is Journalism, if it is ''dead'' why are you watching it?
@@miketomlin6040The comment was referring to Nellie Bowles, the woman, not Unherd. That should have been obvious since SHE is the one who said she didn't realize journalism was dead until 2021.
@@einnAnnie If Journalism was ''dead'' then why, or how, would she be on a mainstream media channel like UnHerd? Journalism is more alive than ever. I remember back in the 70's in the average western nation you had 20-50 media orgs pumping out data. Now we have millions, thanks to the Internet.
I found that out in the early 80s in Australia due to the Lindy Chanmberlain case.
I appreciate her honesty and her waking up, but she’s not terribly smart for an educated person. She misinterprets so much and oversimplifies the argument and you can tell she still has a lot of biases against the right.
Well put and I agree.
In a way, I find it concerning that she can't identify her own political leanings. That suggests unconscious bias.
Education and being smart are completely unrelated. How is bias against the right bad?
The right isn't any better than the left.
@@ecowifey4603rather the opposite. Left and right spread a lot of bullshit. It's never clear if some idea is left or right. Twist a few words a bit and a left idea becomes a right one or vice versa. Claiming this is an easy black or white decision doesn't indicate much insight.
She is - above all else - self-interested.
No I don't think that things are getting better. A bell can never be un rung. Pretending that events didn't happen to avoid consequences is not a sign of improvement.
Has she made a public apology?
While i like that Nellie has been slapped into realising that wokery is not good news, in any sense, i feel like it was just deserts if she was actively cancelling others. This kind of behaviour is reprehensible, and anti-society. People should realise that cancelling others just means everyone else will have to carry them in the end. It is also weakness to not be able to debate and win your point, assuming you actually believe you are right.
I will say that you cannot win a point against 'progressives'. There is no logic so she was between a rock a hard place. You reach to top of your profession, you are the insider and I understand she really wanted to stay there. They turned on her because of Bari Weiss. She had to chose, otherwise I think she would have stayed, like a good soldier.
In their credo, "rightwing" means "unbeliever," not "one of us."
The same with "fascist" what they really mean is heretic.
It is the cleverest among them that employ the portmanteau reichwing. They're special.
Keep ignoring the elephant in the room I.s.l.a.m. 🙈🙉🙊🫣
In thier credo "Right wing" means Unbelievers and not one of us, Islam is the approved religion of Left they have learnt from the Islam.
How to create diversions, deception and Slander for the left, these are the same tricks used by followers of the religion of Peace.
Not "rightwing," it has morphed into far right.
@@helmeteye So, she realised after the horse has bolted the door, just like Andrew Norfolk realised after the horse has bolted the door.
All these people trying to back paddle after being the main supporters of this insanity is quite distasteful. They have no backbone, just an endless supply of ambition and the constant desire to remain relevant. Sad…
Some people have changes of heart/mind and that should be encouraged not mocked.
@@Ruby_Spacek People are free to extend compassion and sympathy to whoever they see fit but there are no shoulds in this because so many behaved unethically with no consideration for others. My sympathy goes first and foremost to those who suffered so much through this BS, those who lost jobs, whose career was ruined, whose family relationships were forever destroyed, whose lives were literally ruined. That’s where the compassion should go!
@Ruby_Spacek I think everyone is happy for a person to be able to change their mind, but perhaps they should be humble enough to admit the part they played and the mistakes they made. When people do that, I admire them for their commitment to truth.
Shun her.
@@Ruby_Spacek Her change of heart is just narrative. Her actual heart/mind is in the same palsied place.
Thank you for speaking out
The first five minutes are already blowing my mind. Thank you for not selling out!
This is the reporter who wrote the nyt article about jordan peterson... Now shes complaining about exactly what she did to him without feeling any need to apologize. Uh...ok
New York Times - a former newspaper.
The Guardian a well respected newspaper was what made me laugh.
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Sad and scary.
New York Slimes.
Check out "the Gray Lady Winked".
Im always amazed at how easy it is to be right about other peoples flaws and motivations and yet be blind to one’s own.
Love her strength, intelligence and truthfulness. Rare and important. Hope her example spreads wide and far.
My mother was an Editor in Chief and she says if she was still doing this today she would fire all of these journalistic hacks. She is nearly 90 years old now and does not want people to know she was a journalist / editor because she does not want to be associated with the hacks of today who she claims have ruined the profession.
She still has A LOT of troubling beliefs. In the first 3 minutes, she exposes her inability to be a journalist. Interesting.
Same impression. Snake oil distributor looking for redemption at the doorstep of the new empire.
she's jewish
In the first 3 minutes, she reveals her ability to be a modern journalist.
Not that insightful is she.
She was/is part of the problem by not voicing this from the get-go
She sucks. She is so messed up ahw still lies to self and any listener . its the natural way with the IV league phoney ilk hired by the Mt $ Îon Times IMHO.
Very judgemental & unfair comment.
Everyone must come to their right mind in their own time. It’s normal to not see something as long as it’s still benefiting you. She only came to this conclusion after it no longer benefited her. As a 3rd generation hetero San Francisco Caucasian person, many of us never benefited by this and were negatively impacted years earlier, so we had no problem seeing it coming a mile down Broadway way before even 2016. I could see the shift during the 2007/2008 era when they bailed out the banks instead of the home owners. And then suddenly the super divisive identity stuff started in order to distract us and divide us. But for many people who benefited from these divisions, it didn’t occur to them to care until their group was suddenly deemed privileged.
@@anne-marietwomeyrussell3872 It's an accurate and fair assessment of her.
Unfair and unsubstantiated
You're telling me it took until 2021 for her to realise the press was rotten? 🤔
It's like Russiagate never happened!
better late than never
Females & their herd mentalities
@@parmafoi4066bullshit. Bowles was a huge purveyor of manufactured narratives. She's making the rounds now to save face and make $$$.
I was thinking the same thing. The more I heard her talk the less surprised I became.
Emotion always undermines a logical argument.
nope - emotion is just as important
Left versus right no longer explain things anymore. Nellie is obviously a liberal but she's a recent convert to being anti-cultural-establishment liberal, which means she's on the same side as the anti-cultural-establishment conservatives. This is the new alliance that anti-establishment conservatives (like myself) should welcome with open arms.
Hear, hear.
Her paramour Bari Weiss also had a prior awakening.
Nellie Bowles says she has cancelled people? Who are they and will she now apologize and put things right for them?
I wish she would call out the names of the people at the Times who attacked her and called her fascist and tried to cancel her.
She can't, they will hunt her. ...
lmao she is jewish, they are most likely jewish too. They like to lead the opposition too so they can render it ineffective
@@ahavam lmao you are so naive. She is jewish as are they. Its a show and no one will hunt her you dope
But she can’t do that because she’s implicated in the same activity herself
You want to cancel them? Yay let’s just keep the pitchforks out and keep repeating history
We knew all this was happening, but this was the first time I heard it from a NYT reporter.
I can thoroughly recommend “Slouching toward Post-Journalism” by Martin Gurri, a very insightful piece about the downward spiral of the NYT. Reading up on Post-Modernism clarifies a lot of the apparent Insanity.
You’ve come face to face with the truth….and now you say it without regard to how it will be accepted….Bravo
No it is not complicated. How someone 'identifies' should never have been, and should never be a thing. The case shouldn't hinge on the, ahem, state of the male thing. It should hinge on the fact that a person who has (or even had) one of those is not a woman, and should not be in that space. Done. The fact that a person has a drivers license that says otherwise doesn't complicate the matter because it doesn't change reality, it simply demonstrates the Orwellian idiocy of the CA DMV and the kabuki theater of legal (and media) nonsense that necessarily follows.
Bingo. It’s like we’re living in an “Emperor’s New Clothes” reality where people are encouraged to pretend that something is the opposite of the obvious reality that the emperor is wearing no clothes.
The establishment went crazy. Not the rest of us.
Antifa started in Eugene, Oregon. They originally designated themselves as anarchists and environmental activists. They were always violent. Andy Ngo is a courageous free-lance reporter on Antifa. Thanks for a great video.
hes gay too which should have had liberals / lgbtq defending him but they were attacking him too for exposing antifa as terrorists
Antifa was started in West Germany. So I will give you Antifa was started in the US Oregon. So many of these dysfunctional groups start in Europe.
Antifa started in Germany and later spread to the USA.
I am not an American, but given their activities, I must assume Antifa was some sort of agent provocateur organization, even if some individual members did not know it. Just a hunch, though.
Antifa has existed in Europe decades before US. They were established in Germany as Antifaschistische Aktion by the Communist Party of Germany and they still use pretty much the same logo. There is e.g. a photo of Karl-Liebknecht-Haus from the 1930's where logo has quite prominent place on the face of Communist headquarters.
US version is offshoot of the European version pretty much with same values, there are plenty of photos and videos of them carrying communist flags, slogans and images like hammer and sickle and such.
What a delightful lady. I will be buying her book. Bravo to her for writing it.
NYT sounds like it operated the same way the Soviet Union ran, with political officers looking over your shoulder.
The Biden-Harris administration has been pushing that into every media outlet in the country. They even have the FBI acting as censorship officers.
The Guardian is one of the world'sost respected newspapers?
Not for anyone who is aware of the paper'a complicity in the character assassination and imprisonment without charge or trial for wnat RF Kennedy has called 'doing his job:.
In fact extraordinarily it was Guardian reporters who released Assange's information unredacted.
She went along with it, she's part of the problem and was complicit. Now she wants to seem brave for speaking up?
agree, but better late than never...others still promoting the lie
It is very easy to judge.
The vast majority of people comply & continue to do so.
@@anne-marietwomeyrussell3872 Also true.
This is a good thing. She is an establishment dem who is calling it out. I applaud this. Change is coming.
typical comment from the trenches, no one is allowed to repent.
Until she became the victim, she was happy to participate in the pile on. 2020?. She's such a recent convert. I hear no apology for her prior complicity.
She 'snitched' on her own fellow travelers and was given a taste of her own medicine 😂
Wow. Sooo impactful. Such a courageous woman is Nellie!
Thank you. I always am happy to see a new video from UnHerd. I'm 65, and young at heart, and as an American I so value what you are doing and your guests.
Has anyone noticed that people no longer know the difference between SIMPLISTIC and SIMPLE??? And people say SIMPLISTIC when they actually mean SIMPLE because they think it sounds more sophisticated. I run into this almost daily.
'Simplistic' is often used to obfuscate and dismiss something that is in fact 'simple' and self evident.
@@alihenderson5910 I mostly hear it employed by people who are using the word to mean 'simple' (evident), RATHER THAN 'overly simplified.'
It's like the difference between 'childish' and 'childlike'. Or 'neediness' and 'need'.
@@alihenderson5910 'Simplistic' is used to denote making something appear simple, when in fact it is not. Ex: 'He gave a simplistic explanation of complex current events'.
@@MM-Iconoclast SIMPLE means uncomplicated. SIMPLISTIC means OVERLY simplified, and thus inaccurate. They have different meanings.
Having lived through this time, I am still so disturbed and depressed by the collective lying and revisionist history. It is hard for me to watch this interview. Yes there are people out there who will lie and kill in their madness.
So, write a book, blog, whatever, to mark it down.
We all lived through this. It wasn't that long ago...
1, one, ONE, exactly one person apologized directly to me for excluding me from social gatherings and meetings because I didn’t get vaccinated. We are still friends. One of the first things, that no one “remembers” from the initial vaccination information, is about blood clots. Having had issues with this before, I consulted my doctor, who agreed with me, about holding off and waiting. I never got it and now read and in some social circles hear about blood clot problems and complications. I digress, yes, only one person ever apologized and I respect them for that.
I had a similar experience although I didn't have the excuse of a pre existing medical condition. No one should need such an excuse in order to be allowed to decline any largely untested pharma product, especially ones that utilize largely untested gene based technology, which may provide some immunity (fingers crossed) against a purported virus that, if it exists at all, has a fatality rate of about 1/30th of the flu (according to NZ stats) and that is only if the definition of "virus death" is so broadly and disingenuously defined to exaggerate the risk by an unknown factor. The fact that none of these valid points have been touched upon in the mainstream media discredits all MSM outlets especially given the importance of the issue to every person and the amount of MSM space dedicated to encouraging uptake.
The whole part about if the penis was erect is the perfect snapshot of how insane our country has become. We are so screwed.
26:15 this is the Guardian, it’s one of the world’s most respected news outlets…
Ha ha ha ha ha
Yes, that was funny.