I m a psychologist and started exploring Jordan Peterson because a friend close friend passed a very disparaging remark about JP and when I asked if she had listened to his podcasts she hadn't. She sent me a comment by another prominent psychologist as corroboration. I suspected the comment was based on information taken out of context and started listening to JP. I soon discovered someone whom I think of as an "old soul in a suit". I then explored his family and discovered warm, thoughtful, open, real and caring people who wanted the best for others. Through Mikhaila's podcasts I have discovered a rich and constructive world of incredible people and ideas. JP also has very thought provoking interviews since his recent comeback. I feel as if I am able to open my worldview through hearing courageous conversations. It is such a privelege
Worrying when academics and other influential professionals are having to "broaden their worldview" when faced with basic and moderate commentary in the public domain..
I found Jordan Peterson as a result of people, who I love but realize can be caught up in the zeitgeist, purporting him as alt-right, neo-Nazi, etc.. As the saying goes, "Trust, but verify." So I decided to see what he was saying and develop my reputations as appropriate. As I watched the clips they damned him with, a realized these were incomplete and not representing the whole of what he was trying to say... so I searched on. My skepticism has been profoundly rewarded. Dr. Peterson, your lectures and writings have been profoundly influential on a man who had hit his rock bottom and needed that nudge back in the right direction. I had let my personal tragedies plant seeds of bitterness, resentment, and hopelessness. Your teachings were far from the only influence, solid friendships and family were most important. However, that doesn't not diminish how necessary they were to help guide my return from wallowing in my own abyss.
He does make some incorrect claims especially on religious issues, but he's a far greater man than anyone who tries to demonize him for things he has done while trying to discredit his proficiency in psychology.
Jordan Peterson must be protected at all costs. And I do find it weird aswell, as a black man (or man period) I find his lectures and teachings to be profound and inspiring. whereas alot of my white liberal peers paint him to be this alt right racist homophobic tyrant. But what can you expect when this generations idea of "doing your research" is watching 30 second Instagram reels. Anyways glad to know that this is having the same positive impact on others. This is real social justice 💯
Chomsky says his so far right he thinks everyone is a Marxist. IE the universities. The opposite is true. I found him in a similar way. I don't need his help tho. All that said his is just brilliant within a number of subjects. His ideology is besides the point.
Imagine using a Tom MacDonald line like its deep... There is no such thing as hate speech. Admitting like racist speech is different is losing half the battle.
@@annabethunbound Those are death threats already covered by the law. Me saying Js are skeevy scheming rats and Bs are murderous criminals isnt hate speech its free speech.
@@annabethunbound There are already laws that address that kind of speech under the heading of 'a call for action' You can't threaten to lynch anyone not just black people or march anyone into a gas chamber not just Jews. You can't threaten to kill anyone or damage their property. Hate speech laws are a fascist idea that definitely is designed to shut down free speech and make people afraid to speak on any subject in case they 'offend' some one. You will come to understand this when they come for you as they will.
Jordan B Peterson: "My message to the Hungarians Do not rebel against your PM Your leader is trying to restore the metaphysical foundation of the 1000 years old Hungarian empire I would like to tell you a secret about Jesus and a secret about your PM. Another name for Jesus is Viktor"
This interview is gold dust. There are depths to Andrew Doyle that are not always apparent and it takes a long form interview like this to draw them out. Jordan, obviously, is a legend.
This is one of the best chats I have listened to in years, there are some great convos out there, but this is a brilliant window into both of them and it is also a huge endorsement on how we _can_ and _should_ talk. But, the left have to censor with threats and violence to avoid the establishment from being threatened, they are now the gatekeepers of the system they pretend to want to destroy. They get arrested and their handlers drop the charges, you want an example of big government advocacy? Antifa and BLM.
I was going to write something similar now I don't have to, I'm very pleased that it is how worked out well for Doyle. Lets keep hoping that Jordan is on the mend.
I am not saying that academic credentials are that important, but the fact that Doyle has an Oxford doctorate in English Literature is evidence of a trained mind and a capacity to analyse issues in depth. And because he is a quick-witted comedian he can wear his learning very lightly, which is attractive.
@@maxfern5701 While I would never through out all of Peterson's works because of this, it is a good criticism in the vein of what he also teaches to do. If you critique a person who purports a method of taking control of chaos and mental stability through rational means and an appreciation of some christian concepts that he believes to be inherently derived from a good way to live, it begs the question of, where did it fail the man himself? It is a comically dismissive to say [I didn't fully grasp the depth of these effects...] as per Peterson, while also being deeply interested and credited in a subset of a field around addiction and writing on how to take control of ones' life. Perhaps a response is that he wrote his books because of his fundamental flaw in taking control of himself or that being catapulted into the public arena was not a planned act and thus he isn't fully at fault for not holding up. etc. But it isn't an unfair criticism.
I hope Africa can hold out against this weird woke shit mate. I'm glad you support him. He's a good man and worthy of most of our respect. How are things in Ghana?
The Kathy Newman was my red pill moment. I had heard of Peterson and read about how much of a hateful, bigoted nazi he was. Watched the interview and realized everything he was saying was entirely rational and reasonable. That's when I first delved into just how much the media lies to us.
Now do the same for the people called bigoted Nazis by those people you are talking about. Jordan Peterson actively deplatformed Faith Goldy he is no different.
@@JohnSmith-wd1oq i don't think Many of those people are what they are called "nazis" "white supremacists" ect but they often just hold fringe ideas that have no chance of ever being implemented like I just saw in a convo with Dr Taylor marshall who supported catholic monarchy, goldy supported Francoism in the USA.
@@tylerhill9510 Honestly Francoism sounds better than what we have now or the weak response from most right wingers. My point is Peterson and the Intellectual Dork Web are all hypocrites they go on and on about free speech but when its risky to defend someone to the right of them they never do it as evidenced by Jordan Peterson kicking Goldy off of a Free Speech panel because she interviewed people who were at Charlottesville.
@@JohnSmith-wd1oq where is faith goldy now, or so many other "alt-right" commentators? Persona non grata, jordan peterson is able to reach a huge audience and red pill many people because although they attack with all kinds of labels, they really don't stick because he has maintained legitimacy by not associating with more fringe people. Its scary that these people are deplatformed, censored ect but JP overall is a voice of reason and is a force for good.
@@tylerhill9510 Whats happened is that they have been entirely unpersoned and the furthest right you can be is a milk toast man crying in public which is Jordan Peterson. Id heavily disagree all thats happened is once again we have accepted the shift of the Overton window as Jordan Peterson being as far right as is societally acceptable (Which isnt even right wing at all Peterson himself calls himself a liberal he isn't right wing in the slightest). I just think Peterson is a wolf in sheeps clothing i think he is a leftist trying to prevent a right wing uprising. Id simply direct you to Resurrection Europa's video Jordan Peterson Dismantled if you care to know why i think it. Men like Jordan Peterson and people with his views arent going to save Western civilization.
Wasn't expecting seing one of my favourite artists comment on here. But it is so reaffirming that this madness apparently hasn't gripped the whole of arts yet. Kudos! Btw Holmgang is my all time favourite. Inspired me to learn Jaw Harp :)
I saw your post on Facebook and couldn't believe how intolerant your so called "fans" are, considering they are the ones spouting about being tolerant of other views and lifestyles 🙄 I love your music, puts me in a trance and do all of my artwork and housework with you on play 💙 much love from the UK 💙
Profound! I'm just sitting here awestruck with my mouth wide open trying to comprehend the depth and weight of this discussion. I've listened to so many of Jordan's discussions, but clearly he found himself so well in today's episode. He did take a step back, allowed the guest to speak more (clearly took some lessons from recent discussions) and by doing that he allowed something trully magnificent to unfold. This is so important on so many levels. Thank you Sir
I have no words fitting for how much this conversation moved me!! Both of your bravery and immense sacrifice to try and pull this world out of such dangerous times- is astonishing, and with true thought and intelligence! I can't express the depth of my gratitude for you both!! ♡♡
The amount of content being published is overwhelming in all the best sense. Feeling absolutely blessed to be constantly given new conversations to glean and learn from.
@@daedra40 MREs for the mind so to speak. Rewatching is sometimes even crucial: bad audio, hard or unknwon topics seem to require another run. Or if the topic hits home for someone he needs to learn it by heart :D
By the standards of evidence it is. But they don't believe in such standards. 'Lived experience' is really a synonym for 'the truth according to me cannot be questioned'.
TRUTH does not mind being questioned but a LIE does not like being challenged. .. “The war is not meant to be won, it is meant to be continuous.” - George Orwell "Whoever controls the media controls the mind" - Jim Morrison "People who think their government cares about them probably think strippers love them too" - origin unknown "This and no other is the root from which a tyrant springs; when he first appears he is a protector." - Plato "Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities." - Voltaire "A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves" - Edward R. Murrow "I would rather have questions that can't be answered than answers that can't be questioned." Richard P. Feynman "Ownership of the media is always in the hands of the perpetrators." - Alexander Solzhenitsyn “Governments will use whatever technology is available to combat their primary enemy - their own population.” - Noam Chomsky “The urge to save humanity is almost always a false face for the urge to rule it.” - H.L. Mencken "The welfare of humanity is always the alibi of tyrants” Albert Camus "It's easier to fool people than to convince them they have been fooled" -Mark Twain. “Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.”-C.S Lewis
My sister is a stripper and she does love everyone, I was an undercover dancer in discos and loved everyone too moment to moment. We do need a set of awareness thanks to Government, is how we think. If is not controlled there is no awareness. Freedom requires much responsibility, I've taken many people to trial thanks to harassment and hatred, trust me that without a good Government the law wouldn't shape the form we respect each other. Trust me, I come from a country Venezuela where the hatred in the media destroyed it's foundations.
Dr Peterson, your presence is the water of life and I thank you for clearing all our minds on this topic and so many other topics and subjects! Thank you thank you thank you
Thanks to the pair of you. The most stimulating discussion I have seen to date. I'm from the UK and think Andrew Doyle has a great future in the fight against the wokeapocalypse.
Jordan B Peterson: "My message to the Hungarians Do not rebel against your PM Your leader is trying to restore the metaphysical foundation of the 1000 years old Hungarian empire I would like to tell you a secret about Jesus and a secret about your PM. Another name for Jesus is Viktor"
What you have to remember is this and most of Jordan’s guest are participating in a conversation with him rather than being interviewed by him. We all know that conversation has a lot of overspeaking and cross-talk, especially deep conversations that exchange ideas.
It’s quite funny that you two guys were speaking about how I discovered Jordan Peterson. A friend of mine was trying to debunk Dr. Peterson (she’s a radical left psychologist and feminist) and I said well I will see what’s going on with him. And so, the more videos I watched about Dr. Peterson the more I agreed with what he said. In my country (Spain), the radical left has taken over the discourse about what men are supposed to say. If you get out from that discourse you’re a bigot, anti-feminist and pro-patriarcal ideology which is appalling and that’s why men don’t speak about what they really think about in a particular a law that puts you into jail for I think is 24 hours no matter whether your innocent or not, in case a woman go to the police and accuse you of being physically attacked by a man. Feminists and the government say that it is better to put one innocent man in jail for 24 hours than letting one violent man free so that he might hit or kill a woman. They don’t give a damn about the social judgement that this man in particular will suffer independently whether he is guilty or innocent. I found this preposterous and yet, nobody says a thing because they are afraid (journalists in particular) of the consequences they may suffer not only in their jobs but also with the relationships they may have at all social levels. In layman’s terms, we’re kind of fucked up with regards to free speech. Thank you both for such an inspiring talk.
my dude, all I hear one the interwebz I pass through VERY fine comb of logical critique, and I have NOT found any flaws in Dr. Peterson's logic yet... and I have listened to hundreds f hours of his content, thus I take most of what he says as researched truth :P
The big underlying premise of not letting any guilty men go free for fear of them hurting a woman is the classic chivalrous statement that women are more valuable than men. Doesn't matter how many innocent men we send to jail, as long as women are safe. In a disaster, we want to know how many women and children were hurt or killed. Men? Meh!
it mght be high time to just own those "insults". "if something i say happens to make you think that about me, then fine. but im going to stay this way regardless of your opinion on me, or my opinion."
Liberal leftist progressive white women decide what's racist where I come from. Yes, they look me square in the face, a black woman, and tell me is and what is not racist. And they win.
Jordan Peterson , your lectures and talk has save my life too. Thank you sir. You are a great gift to our world and the younger generation. More power to you. I wish you health and strength to continue on shining light in this dark age and time. Thank you
@@AnimalStomper It has been so long since the Zoo transported me to London, separating us and bringing a great heaviness to my heart. How have you been? Did you marry, Brother? Have kids? I think of you often.
What a sensational interview, two thinkers I admire greatly, I have their books, learned tons from them, and so many important points raised in this discussion.... thank you both.
When Jordan talks about the absolut overuse of CCTV cameras in the UK, I can relate strongly to that feeling. I was there a few years a go now, but I can still recall that everywhere I looked I saw signs saying things like 'Smile for the camera' and other such ominous slogans. It was genuinely horrible, because I know what kind of people are in charge of that country now.
Check your employer's bullying and harassment policy...it may well be that they reflect this. You may find 'intention' is irrelevant and perception is all. Think about that. It quite literally does not matter what you actually say, do or intend. It's astonishing and everyone needs to fight it BEFORE it affects you or your colleagues directly.
Wow, a person in the U.K. could really ruin somebody's life if they harborered any resentment against someone by simply false reporting. Oh gosh people would never do that though right? Its unheard of.
12:32 - Dr Peterson is a hero of mine for defending free speech. I am on a journey to fight for free speech largely because of this message right here.
Here's something to mull over: The kids who were in school when the heavy-handed anti-bullying programs started are the same generation that's now running around as adults and both bullying people and being terrible at responding to bullies.
By defending the victim they are virtuous by searching out bullies they become one. You have to remember to ask if someone needs help or your the one victimizing. Love your comment!
Those anti-bully programs never worked. Usually once the kid who had been bullied finally stood up for themselves, they’re the one that got in trouble. The perpetrators of the bullying never once got reprimanded. It’s as if the teachers and school admin. protected those children that bullied. Sometimes teachers were the worst bullies.
Are you sure it's those that were bullied, or is it the bullies evolved? I was bullied mercilessly through grade school and a lot of high school. It destroyed who I should have been, I suffer from chronic depression and insecurity. I hate seeing this new movement. It's insanity.
Jordan Peterson is a HERO! You kept me in the light during dark times. And showed me how to stay there and grow! Thank you from the bottom of my heart Jordan!
Thank you for being a “bastion” against this nonsense. You have given me very practical and succinct means to argue effectively against these ideologies.
I watched his show on GB News over the weekend. So refreshing to hear balanced views from both sides without any petty name calling and allowing the viewer to make their own mind up. No patronising or implying the viewer is inherently an “ist” or a “phobe”. Well done Andrew.
@@sumthingwickedly I hope this is/will be the case. I still think him teaching will produce more critical minds due to the exchange possible in a lecture.
Because society has shifted to a digital life we are slowly losing the ability to communicate in a healthy manner. Because people rarely communicate in person with people who have different ideas and beliefs when it's done online it's seen as a personal attack. This leads to an attack on the individual who voiced their opinion leading to that individual shutting up or apologizing. This spills over to everyday life and has lead to the current environment we find ourselves in. That's how I see it
I also believe the internet gives people that are crazy a voice. They gang up in numbers and make it seem as though they represent the majority when in reality there is very few of them.
"I am not responsible for actions of the imaginary version of me you have inside your head." ~John Scalzi "Difference of opinion leads to inquiry, and inquiry to the truth." - Thomas Jefferson
Peterson's voice will be spread across America as his books, podcasts and reading list will join me on an ocean-to-ocean trip this summer. Thanks for helping me find a goal to drag myself towards, a cross to bear, and a metric to measure myself against.
Thank you for having this conversation and having it being available to the public. It’s needed. It’s a start in reversing the current backwards ideology.
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GB News is a breath of fresh air in the UK, as is Andrew Doyle. I can listen to rational debate all day long, so many of the conversations we'd love to have but fear being sent to the gulag 😂
I religiously follow Titania McGrath's tweets, funny as f*ck. My take out of this great conversation: 33:40 "if you can state the purpose of the art in explicit terms, especially if it's in accordance with an ideology shared by a multitude of people, it's not art at all, it's propaganda". Keep it up professor JP!
Good to hear these two together. I am so enjoying this discussion. I’ve struggled for a long time with how CAN those who see the world through a series of fantasies of ubiquitous Nazis and transphobes and do not engage in any critical discourse be even persuaded to engage in a conversation, far less be able to be persuaded that those who disagree with any aspect of their dogma are even human. It’s like talking to automatons and their belief system seems more infectious (and dangerous) than new strains of coronavirus.
Andrew, I love that you went incognito and hung out with the 'other side'. What a great idea to really experience first hand what they are about, learn their ideologies, temperament, arguments, attention spans, anger, and more. You have an amazing perspective. You gave me many ideas on how to infiltrate them, them being my family and some friends that don't really want to speak to me anymore since I learned the truth. They want me to 'talk to the hand' and in reality they put up their hand to my face when I am talking.
I learned about Jordan Peterson a few years ago and I was fascinated by his ability to analyze and critique things so eloquently. He delivers it in such a genuine way, it's heartwarming and fulfilling. The more I listen to Jordan Peterson the more I feel like he is closer to God than people believe. Yet, it is not up to us to judge. We all have our opinions and thoughts and views but just because he is expressing his, should not make him a hated person. He is just a truly genuine and compassionate person who has a gift, and he is just giving it to the world, so freely. I admire his thinking and his ability to tune in to all mankind. He has a unique ability to understand the human psyche in all its form.
Outstanding - Great to hear from the front-line troops who fight daily to gain back ground, often at immense and intense personal cost. Much of the more indulgent belligerence we see from the fashionable-issue-of-the-day brigade has undefined but very real limits; even they don't know when they'll hit those barriers and find themselves at the end of their own sword. Exposing them and fighting back will become increasingly straight forward as more people see them for what they are, keeping that pressure up is more important now than ever before. Thanks to both of you for doing such a good job to date fighting for the side of the rest of us.
Focus on the things that strike you (and your audience) with meaning that provokes a physical response - especially if it's difficult or impossible to explain the reaction with words. Hone and purify something like that, and you may have a zeitgeist coalesce around your work.
"Everyone is in favor of free speech. Hardly a day passes without its being extolled, but some people's idea of it is that they are free to say what they like, but if anyone else says anything back, that is an outrage." ~Winston Churchill
@@dionbram Thank you for explaining. If that is what you meant, then I don't think the quotation fits. The quotation is about the hypocrisy of some people who present themselves as advocates of free speech. Since the outraged people you are referring to ("the left" is an inappropriate label, btw; Andrew Doyle himself is of the left) do not present themselves as advocates of free speech, they are not the people that the quotation is about.
One of the facts that I like with JP is that he is not afraid to discuss with people who do not share his views. The problem with many social media platforms is that people speak about each other, and what they think the "other side" has said or meant, but they do not actually talk to each other. Therefore, it is so important to listen to the actual person. This format helps me a lot - so Thanks from a German liberal and gay person!
It’s a great joy to me to hear people (especially you two) discuss topics I’ve always wanted to converse over and have yet to find the opportunity to do so with others. Much needed. Thank you.
Yeah. James Lindsay said that the same thing happened to the New Atheist movement. It crashed and burned when the woke hijacked it (unless, of course, the movement was over representative of wokeness as an underlying motive) Moral and sophisticated leaders need to keep an eye on things, otherwise the movement rapidly gets flushed down the internet toilet.
My God, I just adore conversations like this. It makes me feel like some poor schmuck who wandered aimlessly for 40 days and 40 nights through a world of endless pink candy coated Karmel Korn prize boxed nutrient devoid slop and suddenly stumbles upon Cordon Bleu. Oh joy. Some real stuff to soak up the leftover spillage of intelligence denied. Grateful me. Hope springs with every new paragraph, nuance, wide angle analysis, and all of it.
I'm so sorry that JP had to sacrifice his academic career and private practice to stand up for what he believes in .This must be a very difficult climate for comedians as well so I'm glad to hear that Andrew Doyle seems to be thriving at the moment ! Great advise on pursuing a creative endeavor and very thought provoking Podcast as usual !
@@baigandinel7956 In 1.51 He said there was a variety of reasons for that and cited the collage of Psychologists potentially writing a punishing letter (it didn't sound like they actually wrote one ) and the fact that he didn't want his already vulnerable clients to be tainted by there association with a controversial public figure . Yea it sounds complicated to say the least ..
@Albert Gront if you think Jordan Peterson is a white supremacist then you are more coddled than a sheep with thick wool resting warmly under a 13.5 tog dovet.
@Albert Gront are all whites racist? Do you know most whites never owned slaves and at some point in history suffered just as bad or worse? Do you realize how many types of "white" there are and is it fair to put several ethnic groups under one title? Do you believe racism is making judgments based on race and if so how is attacking ALL "WHITES" not racist?
I m a psychologist and started exploring Jordan Peterson because a friend close friend passed a very disparaging remark about JP and when I asked if she had listened to his podcasts she hadn't. She sent me a comment by another prominent psychologist as corroboration. I suspected the comment was based on information taken out of context and started listening to JP. I soon discovered someone whom I think of as an "old soul in a suit". I then explored his family and discovered warm, thoughtful, open, real and caring people who wanted the best for others. Through Mikhaila's podcasts I have discovered a rich and constructive world of incredible people and ideas. JP also has very thought provoking interviews since his recent comeback. I feel as if I am able to open my worldview through hearing courageous conversations. It is such a privelege
Are you still friends with this "close" friend of yours?
Judgin’ by your grammer🤮
@@recondogohome360 - Oh, the irony! Isn't it past your bedtime?
....a privilege as well.
Worrying when academics and other influential professionals are having to "broaden their worldview" when faced with basic and moderate commentary in the public domain..
'Non-crime hate incident.'
- 'I wish I thought of that.' - Orwell
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Best comment here
Surely, “I wish I had thought of that,” had that been Orwell.
@kareem mounzer Haha😂
Uncrime
I found Jordan Peterson as a result of people, who I love but realize can be caught up in the zeitgeist, purporting him as alt-right, neo-Nazi, etc.. As the saying goes, "Trust, but verify." So I decided to see what he was saying and develop my reputations as appropriate. As I watched the clips they damned him with, a realized these were incomplete and not representing the whole of what he was trying to say... so I searched on. My skepticism has been profoundly rewarded.
Dr. Peterson, your lectures and writings have been profoundly influential on a man who had hit his rock bottom and needed that nudge back in the right direction. I had let my personal tragedies plant seeds of bitterness, resentment, and hopelessness. Your teachings were far from the only influence, solid friendships and family were most important. However, that doesn't not diminish how necessary they were to help guide my return from wallowing in my own abyss.
He does make some incorrect claims especially on religious issues, but he's a far greater man than anyone who tries to demonize him for things he has done while trying to discredit his proficiency in psychology.
Jordan Peterson must be protected at all costs. And I do find it weird aswell, as a black man (or man period) I find his lectures and teachings to be profound and inspiring. whereas alot of my white liberal peers paint him to be this alt right racist homophobic tyrant. But what can you expect when this generations idea of "doing your research" is watching 30 second Instagram reels. Anyways glad to know that this is having the same positive impact on others. This is real social justice 💯
Good luck, live your best life!
I could’ve wrote the same sentiment word for word as I am just now beginning my climb out of a hole I dug and fell in to
Chomsky says his so far right he thinks everyone is a Marxist. IE the universities. The opposite is true.
I found him in a similar way. I don't need his help tho.
All that said his is just brilliant within a number of subjects. His ideology is besides the point.
As our fellow Canadian Tom Macdonald once said:
"There's a difference between hate speech and speech that you hate."
Imagine using a Tom MacDonald line like its deep... There is no such thing as hate speech. Admitting like racist speech is different is losing half the battle.
@@JohnSmith-wd1oq yo but he's a straight white male bro. Nothing deeper than that. PROFOUND even.
There absolutely is hate speech. If you say you want lynch black people or march Jews to a gas chamber that is undeniable hate speech.
@@annabethunbound Those are death threats already covered by the law. Me saying Js are skeevy scheming rats and Bs are murderous criminals isnt hate speech its free speech.
@@annabethunbound There are already laws that address that kind of speech under the heading of 'a call for action' You can't threaten to lynch anyone not just black people or march anyone into a gas chamber not just Jews. You can't threaten to kill anyone or damage their property. Hate speech laws are a fascist idea that definitely is designed to shut down free speech and make people afraid to speak on any subject in case they 'offend' some one. You will come to understand this when they come for you as they will.
Andrew Doyle is a national treasure! Two absolutely brilliant minds.
Jordan B Peterson: "My message to the Hungarians
Do not rebel against your PM
Your leader is trying to restore the metaphysical foundation of the 1000 years old Hungarian empire
I would like to tell you a secret about Jesus and a secret about your PM. Another name for Jesus is Viktor"
You're crushing it with the guests you're bringing on, Dr. Peterson!
For real
Carrot cake
Zucchini loaf!
Ps. McAfee didn't kill himself
Absolutely
Except for Muhammad Hijab. He's a liar, a bully and a vile man.
This interview is gold dust. There are depths to Andrew Doyle that are not always apparent and it takes a long form interview like this to draw them out. Jordan, obviously, is a legend.
This is one of the best chats I have listened to in years, there are some great convos out there, but this is a brilliant window into both of them and it is also a huge endorsement on how we _can_ and _should_ talk. But, the left have to censor with threats and violence to avoid the establishment from being threatened, they are now the gatekeepers of the system they pretend to want to destroy. They get arrested and their handlers drop the charges, you want an example of big government advocacy? Antifa and BLM.
I was going to write something similar now I don't have to, I'm very pleased that it is how worked out well for Doyle. Lets keep hoping that Jordan is on the mend.
I am not saying that academic credentials are that important, but the fact that Doyle has an Oxford doctorate in English Literature is evidence of a trained mind and a capacity to analyse issues in depth. And because he is a quick-witted comedian he can wear his learning very lightly, which is attractive.
@Jesus loves a Shovelhead context?
@@maxfern5701 While I would never through out all of Peterson's works because of this, it is a good criticism in the vein of what he also teaches to do. If you critique a person who purports a method of taking control of chaos and mental stability through rational means and an appreciation of some christian concepts that he believes to be inherently derived from a good way to live, it begs the question of, where did it fail the man himself?
It is a comically dismissive to say [I didn't fully grasp the depth of these effects...] as per Peterson, while also being deeply interested and credited in a subset of a field around addiction and writing on how to take control of ones' life. Perhaps a response is that he wrote his books because of his fundamental flaw in taking control of himself or that being catapulted into the public arena was not a planned act and thus he isn't fully at fault for not holding up. etc. But it isn't an unfair criticism.
I'm from Africa Ghana I support Jordan peterson.
And I support your ass for supporting JPs ass. I wish u a merry christmas, fella.
I love Africa, one of my dreams not to visit but have something to go every year.
Are you now white cis male for woke standards?
I hope Africa can hold out against this weird woke shit mate. I'm glad you support him. He's a good man and worthy of most of our respect. How are things in Ghana?
@@TecOneself What are you talking about?
The Kathy Newman was my red pill moment. I had heard of Peterson and read about how much of a hateful, bigoted nazi he was. Watched the interview and realized everything he was saying was entirely rational and reasonable. That's when I first delved into just how much the media lies to us.
Now do the same for the people called bigoted Nazis by those people you are talking about. Jordan Peterson actively deplatformed Faith Goldy he is no different.
@@JohnSmith-wd1oq i don't think
Many of those people are what they are called "nazis" "white supremacists" ect but they often just hold fringe ideas that have no chance of ever being implemented like I just saw in a convo with Dr Taylor marshall who supported catholic monarchy, goldy supported Francoism in the USA.
@@tylerhill9510 Honestly Francoism sounds better than what we have now or the weak response from most right wingers. My point is Peterson and the Intellectual Dork Web are all hypocrites they go on and on about free speech but when its risky to defend someone to the right of them they never do it as evidenced by Jordan Peterson kicking Goldy off of a Free Speech panel because she interviewed people who were at Charlottesville.
@@JohnSmith-wd1oq where is faith goldy now, or so many other "alt-right" commentators? Persona non grata, jordan peterson is able to reach a huge audience and red pill many people because although they attack with all kinds of labels, they really don't stick because he has maintained legitimacy by not associating with more fringe people. Its scary that these people are deplatformed, censored ect but JP overall is a voice of reason and is a force for good.
@@tylerhill9510 Whats happened is that they have been entirely unpersoned and the furthest right you can be is a milk toast man crying in public which is Jordan Peterson. Id heavily disagree all thats happened is once again we have accepted the shift of the Overton window as Jordan Peterson being as far right as is societally acceptable (Which isnt even right wing at all Peterson himself calls himself a liberal he isn't right wing in the slightest). I just think Peterson is a wolf in sheeps clothing i think he is a leftist trying to prevent a right wing uprising. Id simply direct you to Resurrection Europa's video Jordan Peterson Dismantled if you care to know why i think it.
Men like Jordan Peterson and people with his views arent going to save Western civilization.
I would say that Andrew Doyle is an underrated thinker. I will be looking out for his work in the future.
He is an awakened thinker, he was a liberal who voted for Jeremy Corbyn. That is not a very smart history.
You're absolutely correct. I see a lot of him on GB news, which exposes the truly horrific amount of bias on mainstream media.
Important topic! I hope this conversation will reach millions of people. The world is steadily going mad.
Hear hear!
Wasn't expecting seing one of my favourite artists comment on here. But it is so reaffirming that this madness apparently hasn't gripped the whole of arts yet. Kudos!
Btw Holmgang is my all time favourite. Inspired me to learn Jaw Harp :)
Low standard of guest & content, really gone downhill
☝🏻 The English world. And rightly so.
I saw your post on Facebook and couldn't believe how intolerant your so called "fans" are, considering they are the ones spouting about being tolerant of other views and lifestyles 🙄 I love your music, puts me in a trance and do all of my artwork and housework with you on play 💙 much love from the UK 💙
Profound! I'm just sitting here awestruck with my mouth wide open trying to comprehend the depth and weight of this discussion. I've listened to so many of Jordan's discussions, but clearly he found himself so well in today's episode.
He did take a step back, allowed the guest to speak more (clearly took some lessons from recent discussions) and by doing that he allowed something trully magnificent to unfold. This is so important on so many levels.
Thank you Sir
WELL SAID🇬🇧
My thoughts exactly. Good job bro
Im glad im alive at a time when good conversations can be accessed willingly. Good times.
Amen.
Me too
Hagrid
and the graving for these convos is real! Bless you, my friend.
real education
I have no words fitting for how much this conversation moved me!!
Both of your bravery and immense sacrifice to try and pull this world out of such dangerous times- is astonishing, and with true thought and intelligence!
I can't express the depth of my gratitude for you both!! ♡♡
Dr Peterson is a brilliant man. I truly hope he comes back into the forefront.
The amount of content being published is overwhelming in all the best sense. Feeling absolutely blessed to be constantly given new conversations to glean and learn from.
Hagrid
100%. If you have to consume it in parts (real life interruptions) you may easily have JBP every day. Wonderful!
@@hagrid3348 I hagrid with you Hagrid!
@@watchingbrain hahaha it's like rationing the good stuff aye? Re-watching the same conversation does sometimes have it's uses too.
@@daedra40 MREs for the mind so to speak. Rewatching is sometimes even crucial: bad audio, hard or unknwon topics seem to require another run.
Or if the topic hits home for someone he needs to learn it by heart :D
Mr Doyle is actually very good on GB news. I wish him every success.
He also has two excellent podcasts - Free Speech Nation and Culture Wars.
@@markeggins890 thanks for that mark, I wasn’t aware. Will take a look.👍
"Lived experience" is a synonym for "anecdotally speaking."
By the standards of evidence it is. But they don't believe in such standards. 'Lived experience' is really a synonym for 'the truth according to me cannot be questioned'.
So is “my / his/her truth” I.e., there is no truth i.e., objective reality. The fundamental tenet of post-modernism
Deconstruction as an end game. What could possibly go wrong?
Do you have any personal experience to substantiate that assertion? Oh, wait ...
Or 'shut up, I know more than you'
Andrew Doyle is always brilliant!
Thank you both for standing up and your continued fight for real truth for humanity and civil rights for all people
I was aware of Titania but never heard Andrew Doyle speak, this was a really great chat and he just made a new fan, gonna check out his new book too
He also has two excellent podcasts - Free Speech Nation and Culture Wars.
TRUTH does not mind being questioned but a LIE does not like being challenged. ..
“The war is not meant to be won, it is meant to be continuous.” - George Orwell
"Whoever controls the media controls the mind" - Jim Morrison
"People who think their government cares about them probably think strippers love them too" - origin unknown
"This and no other is the root from which a tyrant springs; when he first appears he is a protector." - Plato
"Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities." - Voltaire
"A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves" - Edward R. Murrow
"I would rather have questions that can't be answered than answers that can't be questioned." Richard P. Feynman
"Ownership of the media is always in the hands of the perpetrators." - Alexander Solzhenitsyn
“Governments will use whatever technology is available to combat their primary enemy - their own population.” - Noam Chomsky
“The urge to save humanity is almost always a false face for the urge to rule it.” - H.L. Mencken
"The welfare of humanity is always the alibi of tyrants” Albert Camus
"It's easier to fool people than to convince them they have been fooled" -Mark Twain.
“Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.”-C.S Lewis
"Don't let it happen it's up to you " ~ George Orwell
My sister is a stripper and she does love everyone, I was an undercover dancer in discos and loved everyone too moment to moment. We do need a set of awareness thanks to Government, is how we think. If is not controlled there is no awareness. Freedom requires much responsibility, I've taken many people to trial thanks to harassment and hatred, trust me that without a good Government the law wouldn't shape the form we respect each other. Trust me, I come from a country Venezuela where the hatred in the media destroyed it's foundations.
@@TecOneself Im sure she did.
Truth can hurt
Hagrid
Dr Peterson, your presence is the water of life and I thank you for clearing all our minds on this topic and so many other topics and subjects! Thank you thank you thank you
Thanks to the pair of you. The most stimulating discussion I have seen to date. I'm from the UK and think Andrew Doyle has a great future in the fight against the wokeapocalypse.
Stop the "wokeapocalypse".
Now, there's a Billboard, T-shirt quote for ya'.
👍
Jordan B Peterson: "My message to the Hungarians
Do not rebel against your PM
Your leader is trying to restore the metaphysical foundation of the 1000 years old Hungarian empire
I would like to tell you a secret about Jesus and a secret about your PM. Another name for Jesus is Viktor"
Jordan Peterson’s mind/world is the richest I’ve ever been privileged to share. THANK YOU, Dr. P!
Andrew Doyle now has his own show on GB News. Available on TH-cam as well.
Jordan Peterson is NOT interrupting his interlocutor. What a massive improvement on previous discussions.
For sure, his interruptions made so many of his videos completely unbearable to listen to
The Bari Weiss episode was pretty bad. Glad to see he's improved with this guest.
Are you kidding? He's interrupting all the time.
What you have to remember is this and most of Jordan’s guest are participating in a conversation with him rather than being interviewed by him. We all know that conversation has a lot of overspeaking and cross-talk, especially deep conversations that exchange ideas.
It's quite impressive to me that this channel is continually able to sit me down for 2 hours at a time and keep me interested.
These conversations are so needed, and it is so unsettling that we cannot feel safe and free having them.
It’s quite funny that you two guys were speaking about how I discovered Jordan Peterson. A friend of mine was trying to debunk Dr. Peterson (she’s a radical left psychologist and feminist) and I said well I will see what’s going on with him. And so, the more videos I watched about Dr. Peterson the more I agreed with what he said. In my country (Spain), the radical left has taken over the discourse about what men are supposed to say. If you get out from that discourse you’re a bigot, anti-feminist and pro-patriarcal ideology which is appalling and that’s why men don’t speak about what they really think about in a particular a law that puts you into jail for I think is 24 hours no matter whether your innocent or not, in case a woman go to the police and accuse you of being physically attacked by a man. Feminists and the government say that it is better to put one innocent man in jail for 24 hours than letting one violent man free so that he might hit or kill a woman. They don’t give a damn about the social judgement that this man in particular will suffer independently whether he is guilty or innocent. I found this preposterous and yet, nobody says a thing because they are afraid (journalists in particular) of the consequences they may suffer not only in their jobs but also with the relationships they may have at all social levels. In layman’s terms, we’re kind of fucked up with regards to free speech. Thank you both for such an inspiring talk.
my dude, all I hear one the interwebz I pass through VERY fine comb of logical critique, and I have NOT found any flaws in Dr. Peterson's logic yet... and I have listened to hundreds f hours of his content, thus I take most of what he says as researched truth :P
The big underlying premise of not letting any guilty men go free for fear of them hurting a woman is the classic chivalrous statement that women are more valuable than men. Doesn't matter how many innocent men we send to jail, as long as women are safe. In a disaster, we want to know how many women and children were hurt or killed. Men? Meh!
it mght be high time to just own those "insults". "if something i say happens to make you think that about me, then fine. but im going to stay this way regardless of your opinion on me, or my opinion."
Feminists have a special place in hell.
Humans are a patriarchal species. We're not black widows!
My friend: What’s wrong with prohibiting racist jokes?
Me: *Who decides* what’s racist and the “appropriate” punishment?
As our fellow Canadian Tom Macdonald once said:
"There's a difference between hate speech and speech that you hate."
Well it won't be white people, put it that way!
@@AleXoEx0 Off-brand whites with small hats.
Liberal leftist progressive white women decide what's racist where I come from. Yes, they look me square in the face, a black woman, and tell me is and what is not racist. And they win.
@@creationevolution315 How do you respond?
„Being my student is contentious“ - that’s one of the saddest and most maddening things I’ve heard in a while!
As a psych student I can confirm it is a sad reality for many of us.
Same here. It sends chills down the spine. Is this the equivalent of what the ‘woke’ call systemic racism?
One of the best conversations you’ve had in recent times. It’s great when guests are able to keep up with you.
I love it when people I really like collaborate and get along really well like this. Brilliant talk, I was solidly engrossed right through 🤍
Jordan Peterson , your lectures and talk has save my life too. Thank you sir. You are a great gift to our world and the younger generation. More power to you. I wish you health and strength to continue on shining light in this dark age and time. Thank you
The abyss stared... & JP stared back. He's going for it!!!!! Next level sir!!!!!!
One of the best conversations I've ever heard! JP is a genius
Oh mate. This is something I've wanted for a long time.
Hello brother
@@AnimalStomper It has been so long since the Zoo transported me to London, separating us and bringing a great heaviness to my heart. How have you been? Did you marry, Brother? Have kids? I think of you often.
I love that this default koala photo will live on forever in many different places
What a sensational interview, two thinkers I admire greatly, I have their books, learned tons from them, and so many important points raised in this discussion.... thank you both.
Both of these people are treasures. Brilliant conversation.
When Jordan talks about the absolut overuse of CCTV cameras in the UK, I can relate strongly to that feeling. I was there a few years a go now, but I can still recall that everywhere I looked I saw signs saying things like 'Smile for the camera' and other such ominous slogans. It was genuinely horrible, because I know what kind of people are in charge of that country now.
The UK has the highest number of surveillance cameras per capita than any other country, including China.
Hagrid
Change who is in charge. By ANY MEANS NECESSARY.
creepy
I never do this. But doesn't everyone give the camera the finger?
God save the Queen
Jesus, that "non crime" thing is terrifying. Based on an individuals perception of an incident.
Worse, based on their claims of their perception.
Right. Can you imagine?
You stole my bike!
That's just your perception... I'm simply borrowing it indefinitely.
Welcome to the United Kingdom where perceptions become reality
Yup.
What do you expect from this administration?
They aren't with us.
Check your employer's bullying and harassment policy...it may well be that they reflect this. You may find 'intention' is irrelevant and perception is all. Think about that. It quite literally does not matter what you actually say, do or intend. It's astonishing and everyone needs to fight it BEFORE it affects you or your colleagues directly.
Wow, a person in the U.K. could really ruin somebody's life if they harborered any resentment against someone by simply false reporting. Oh gosh people would never do that though right? Its unheard of.
Yup, it happens.
Yeah but you try and put a real crime they don’t wanna know!!!!!
if there is something to gain from it, someone will do it
Sad but true.
12:32 - Dr Peterson is a hero of mine for defending free speech. I am on a journey to fight for free speech largely because of this message right here.
Please never stop having these conversations, I simply love them!
Here's something to mull over:
The kids who were in school when the heavy-handed anti-bullying programs started are the same generation that's now running around as adults and both bullying people and being terrible at responding to bullies.
By defending the victim they are virtuous by searching out bullies they become one. You have to remember to ask if someone needs help or your the one victimizing. Love your comment!
Shoot, I just did this.....
Those anti-bully programs never worked. Usually once the kid who had been bullied finally stood up for themselves, they’re the one that got in trouble. The perpetrators of the bullying never once got reprimanded.
It’s as if the teachers and school admin. protected those children that bullied.
Sometimes teachers were the worst bullies.
Are you sure it's those that were bullied, or is it the bullies evolved? I was bullied mercilessly through grade school and a lot of high school. It destroyed who I should have been, I suffer from chronic depression and insecurity. I hate seeing this new movement. It's insanity.
Bullying made me hilarious. It destroyed my self - esteem, sure, but hey, isn't being funny more important?😏
Already ordered his book 'free speech and why it matters' coming in the post. Great to see this and solidify the importance of the book
I shall too, thanks for the reminder.
Good
He also has two excellent podcasts - Free Speech Nation and Culture Wars.
Jordan Peterson is a HERO! You kept me in the light during dark times. And showed me how to stay there and grow!
Thank you from the bottom of my heart Jordan!
Another great guest in Andrew Doyle. Such a wonderful conversation.
Bravo gentlemen👏 A wonderful and necessary conversation.
We need Thomas sowell before time takes the good man
For real ive bein watching him alot lately the man is very insightful and a rare dying breed
Clash of the Titans!
You’re right, but Thomas Sowell doesn’t do interviews anymore.
Yes!
Should dirty politics be abolished? And is there a grey line between free speech and dirty politics?
When the crazies take over, I hope I end up in the same re-education camp with Jordon Peterson and Andrew Doyle!
Thank you for being a “bastion” against this nonsense. You have given me very practical and succinct means to argue effectively against these ideologies.
We love Andrew Doyle and professor Peterson of course! Great discussion, thank you!
Thank you both for your raw honesty and bravery.
I watched his show on GB News over the weekend. So refreshing to hear balanced views from both sides without any petty name calling and allowing the viewer to make their own mind up. No patronising or implying the viewer is inherently an “ist” or a “phobe”. Well done Andrew.
It is so disheartening to hear Jordan Peterson say he can no longer teach or see patients because being associated with him can be too damaging.
He is perhaps not doing that but on a different path he is certainly reaching a wider audience which we can be glad of 😊
What a world we're living in! The future is bleak, and I am glad to be beyond 60, hopefully not seeing where this is all going.
@@sumthingwickedly I hope this is/will be the case. I still think him teaching will produce more critical minds due to the exchange possible in a lecture.
@@maxg4958 yes I agree but it's driving the leftie woke brigade mad that he's such a presence in the world 😂
@@maxg4958 sadly I think you're not alone we're all hoping we die before this gets to its inevitable hellish conclusion
Because society has shifted to a digital life we are slowly losing the ability to communicate in a healthy manner. Because people rarely communicate in person with people who have different ideas and beliefs when it's done online it's seen as a personal attack. This leads to an attack on the individual who voiced their opinion leading to that individual shutting up or apologizing. This spills over to everyday life and has lead to the current environment we find ourselves in. That's how I see it
Yep agree.
I also believe the internet gives people that are crazy a voice. They gang up in numbers and make it seem as though they represent the majority when in reality there is very few of them.
@@stevearnold8265 agreed. A place where the people with mental health issues have no restrictions.
Our digital life like the internet is forever. People are already being attacked for past recorded comments.
We have built a digital Tower of Babel
So grateful there are people like the two of you speaking out on these issues. Thank you!
Thank you for this absolutely brilliant conversation. I have the utmost respect for you both.
Thank you Jordan for another incredible conversation, just purchased Andrew’s book
"I think in order to be racist, intention has to be at the heart of that"
Thank you for putting (most of) our beliefs so eloquently.
When the comedians are the freedom fighters we look up to .... All the best Andrew and thanks Jordan.
What a beautiful meeting of minds, something worth listening to. Thank you both for your efforts
. Appreciated, Paul.
So good to see you back and looking healthy again. Dr. Peterson!
"I am not responsible for actions of the imaginary version of me you have inside your head." ~John Scalzi
"Difference of opinion leads to inquiry, and inquiry to the truth." - Thomas Jefferson
Hagrid
Peterson's voice will be spread across America as his books, podcasts and reading list will join me on an ocean-to-ocean trip this summer. Thanks for helping me find a goal to drag myself towards, a cross to bear, and a metric to measure myself against.
Great interview. I love JP's "ehs" at the end, so real and unpretentious.
Thank you for having this conversation and having it being available to the public. It’s needed. It’s a start in reversing the current backwards ideology.
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Andrew Doyle I am glad to have been introduced to you here on this podcast. Never stop being you 💛🙏
GB News is a breath of fresh air in the UK, as is Andrew Doyle.
I can listen to rational debate all day long, so many of the conversations we'd love to have but fear being sent to the gulag 😂
Two of my favorite people sharing their insights on the current dynamics of the Western world! Excellent interview
I religiously follow Titania McGrath's tweets, funny as f*ck. My take out of this great conversation: 33:40 "if you can state the purpose of the art in explicit terms, especially if it's in accordance with an ideology shared by a multitude of people, it's not art at all, it's propaganda". Keep it up professor JP!
Any art that does not challenge a person to reflect on their interpretation is not art.
Good to hear these two together. I am so enjoying this discussion.
I’ve struggled for a long time with how CAN those who see the world through a series of fantasies of ubiquitous Nazis and transphobes and do not engage in any critical discourse be even persuaded to engage in a conversation, far less be able to be persuaded that those who disagree with any aspect of their dogma are even human. It’s like talking to automatons and their belief system seems more infectious (and dangerous) than new strains of coronavirus.
Thank you Dr. Peterson for this conversation. We used to have these on campus. I really missed this.
Wonderful conversation! Cudos to you both for succeding in lifting my spirit while discussing such a depressing topic!
It's always a pleasure listening to Andrew
Superb stuff. “it feels like you're arguing with the borg.,“ Andrew Doyle is fantastic, and a great comedian.
Andrew, I love that you went incognito and hung out with the 'other side'. What a great idea to really experience first hand what they are about, learn their ideologies, temperament, arguments, attention spans, anger, and more. You have an amazing perspective. You gave me many ideas on how to infiltrate them, them being my family and some friends that don't really want to speak to me anymore since I learned the truth. They want me to 'talk to the hand' and in reality they put up their hand to my face when I am talking.
I learned about Jordan Peterson a few years ago and I was fascinated by his ability to analyze and critique things so eloquently. He delivers it in such a genuine way, it's heartwarming and fulfilling.
The more I listen to Jordan Peterson the more I feel like he is closer to God than people believe.
Yet, it is not up to us to judge. We all have our opinions and thoughts and views but just because he is expressing his, should not make him a hated person.
He is just a truly genuine and compassionate person who has a gift, and he is just giving it to the world, so freely.
I admire his thinking and his ability to tune in to all mankind.
He has a unique ability to understand the human psyche in all its form.
I already know this discussion is going to be good
I already know that I'm going to die so I hate everything about life
@@jasontheman3763 You have the responsibility to Bring the light that only you can, do it we all want you to succeed
This is excellent!
You’re hot
I'm an artist and having a hell of a time with it. The last part of the discussion was, for me, worth its weight in gold.
Thanks guys.
Great guest - great conversation. Nice job!
Thanks
Outstanding - Great to hear from the front-line troops who fight daily to gain back ground, often at immense and intense personal cost. Much of the more indulgent belligerence we see from the fashionable-issue-of-the-day brigade has undefined but very real limits; even they don't know when they'll hit those barriers and find themselves at the end of their own sword. Exposing them and fighting back will become increasingly straight forward as more people see them for what they are, keeping that pressure up is more important now than ever before. Thanks to both of you for doing such a good job to date fighting for the side of the rest of us.
Love this guy and “Tatiana”
Can’t wait
Titania ;)
@@chelseapoet3664 As in "Rule Titania". lol
Are you really a poet? If so, well met fellow poet. So few of us around these days.
@@alaricgoldkuhl155 (s)he does rule! I am indeed a poet. Yes, well met!
Jonathan pie is great too, didn't realize he was part of that
“Don’t anticipate the zeitgeist” wow, that was a very insightful comment. Great advice for any creative person.
"Don't TRY TO anticipate the zeitgeist." If you are creative YOU WILL anticipate it.
Focus on the things that strike you (and your audience) with meaning that provokes a physical response - especially if it's difficult or impossible to explain the reaction with words. Hone and purify something like that, and you may have a zeitgeist coalesce around your work.
Wow, interesting. As a German it surprises me you are using the German word "Zeitgeist"
@@____uncompetative interesting
@@friedrichb.616 In America it's a widely known term and is taught to most of us in secondary school, I think.
"Everyone is in favor of free speech. Hardly a day passes without its being extolled, but some people's idea of it is that they are free to say what they like, but if anyone else says anything back, that is an outrage." ~Winston Churchill
Hagrid
@@priapulida hagrid
Where have Jordan Peterson and Andrew Doyle said that it is an outrage if people talk back? Can you give me a timestamp, or a quote?
@@omp199 It was in reference to the left being outraged at anyone with a different opinion.
@@dionbram Thank you for explaining.
If that is what you meant, then I don't think the quotation fits. The quotation is about the hypocrisy of some people who present themselves as advocates of free speech. Since the outraged people you are referring to ("the left" is an inappropriate label, btw; Andrew Doyle himself is of the left) do not present themselves as advocates of free speech, they are not the people that the quotation is about.
One of the facts that I like with JP is that he is not afraid to discuss with people who do not share his views. The problem with many social media platforms is that people speak about each other, and what they think the "other side" has said or meant, but they do not actually talk to each other. Therefore, it is so important to listen to the actual person. This format helps me a lot - so Thanks from a German liberal and gay person!
Never get tired or bored of these entertaining and informative exchanges - Always so thought provoking ...
It’s a great joy to me to hear people (especially you two) discuss topics I’ve always wanted to converse over and have yet to find the opportunity to do so with others. Much needed. Thank you.
This is an excellent discussion I’ve learned a lot listening to this. Modern day censorship is like burning books in Germany.
It's a horrible thing that Scottish independence has become wrapped up in "woke ideology".
Yeah. James Lindsay said that the same thing happened to the New Atheist movement. It crashed and burned when the woke hijacked it (unless, of course, the movement was over representative of wokeness as an underlying motive) Moral and sophisticated leaders need to keep an eye on things, otherwise the movement rapidly gets flushed down the internet toilet.
My God, I just adore conversations like this. It makes me feel like some poor schmuck who wandered aimlessly for 40 days and 40 nights through a world of endless pink candy coated Karmel Korn prize boxed nutrient devoid slop and suddenly stumbles upon Cordon Bleu. Oh joy.
Some real stuff to soak up the leftover spillage of intelligence denied. Grateful me. Hope springs with every new paragraph, nuance, wide angle analysis, and all of it.
Both Jordan and Andy are a blessing. Thank you both 👍
I'm so sorry that JP had to sacrifice his academic career and private practice to stand up for what he believes in .This must be a very difficult climate for comedians as well so I'm glad to hear that Andrew Doyle seems to be thriving at the moment ! Great advise on pursuing a creative endeavor and very thought provoking Podcast as usual !
Hard to understand why he can't have a private practice. You'd think demand would be higher than ever?
@@baigandinel7956 In 1.51 He said there was a variety of reasons for that and cited the collage of Psychologists potentially writing a punishing letter (it didn't sound like they actually wrote one ) and the fact that he didn't want his already vulnerable clients to be tainted by there association with a controversial public figure . Yea it sounds complicated to say the least ..
@Albert Gront if you think Jordan Peterson is a white supremacist then you are more coddled than a sheep with thick wool resting warmly under a 13.5 tog dovet.
@Albert Gront are all whites racist? Do you know most whites never owned slaves and at some point in history suffered just as bad or worse? Do you realize how many types of "white" there are and is it fair to put several ethnic groups under one title? Do you believe racism is making judgments based on race and if so how is attacking ALL "WHITES" not racist?
@@AleXoEx0 so true
Always a pleasure to listen to a well balanced and educated conversation. I miss this in my daily life.
Me too!
Listened for 2 hours and 23 minutes straight. First time even coming close to that ever.
Was it really that long? No wonder I’m tired this morning.
@@andrewwood7303 Lol, and so
rewarding.
This is the best chat I've seen Jordan have! They both got on really well!
Thank you for your cogent conversation! I am so inspired by the depth of this discussion.