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- Today we show how to swap an Ameri-Barra Vortec 4200 DOHC VVT Inline 6 Trailblazer engine into your car. We specifically show you some tips on how to swap it into our 1983 Ford Fairmont Futura. This will apply to Fox Body Mustangs and other Fox Body cars as well.
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I keep coming back to your older videos. Just wanted to let you know you should be proud of yourself for sharing this information. A lot of us understand the time and effort put in to such information. I believe I speak for all the true car nerds on youtube by saying thank you and we appreciate your channel so much.
Thanks. Really means a lot!
Those 4.2 engines are one of the best engines ever made. Very robust. That car is really nice.
I love all the unique builds this guy does
I just appreciate (channel name aside) that some one out there is trying to build something other than another LS.
Trying to pick up a 91 300zx roller and have two buddies that are arguing with each other over LS vs 2J swaps. Imma piss both of em off and do a 4200 now 😂. Thanks for all the great info. I'm a big fan of Haltech ECUs so I may splurge there just so I have all the parameters I may want to play around with.
That'd be dope but good luck fitting this thicc boi in that engine bay lol. It's a tall and long motor but hey when there's a will there's a way. I've personally always wanted to k swap a z32 one day 😄
Yep... My mind started racing when I saw on Richard Holdener how easy to put a distributor and carb. on Atlas DOHC 6..
2:05 LOVE how keeping the flat hood was a priority.
This channel is giving me hope to be able to restore my 81 fire chicken. Seeing the things your doing with these 4200s is inspiring, seeing these videos gives me a little bit of hope that I could maybe one day swap out that cracked 400 and do something nobody else is really doing 🤘🏻🤘🏻 thank you for being the trailblazer of this platform!
The video we've all been waiting for
Thank you for another great video. The detailed information, especially the variable valve timing controlled by the MS, very cool.
NICE job brotha, keep the tech tips coming. Very appreciated it!
Excellent! Thank you. I found out about your video from the Facebook 4200 forum.
I have been looking for an engine swap on my 4runner. I considered Ls, 2jz, and even a Toyota 4.8L. but this right here has completely changed my mind. The barra craze is starting and trying to find one is Expensive ! Loving this swap.. Thanks man !
Yeah. All other inline 6 options are too damn expensive. This is the only one that makes sense to my wallet.
"The barra craze" As a trailblazer owner, I'm just like... what?!?! People are building these engines?!?! LOL Blows my mind.
Great information! Thank you for sharing. You have a lot of R&D into this .
Love the build! Thanks for sharing the info.
More knowledge bombs from the man himself!
I currently have one sitting in an s197 mustang. It's just for mock up. Still gotta figure out which transmission I was use. And whether I wanna put the ITB on or just sell it and get a better intake. I'm glad u mentioned the pan because I had to remove the pan to get it to set in there. I'll probably make a video series, but it's goin on the back burner for a couple months. I also think a cowl hood will fix my clearance issue
Nice! Sounds like a cool project!
Selling my C6 Z06, and me and some buddies are possibly going to turbo one of these. Thanks for all the insight and knowledge on this platform sir!
Very Inspirational video.
Thats cool that the oil system can be modified with little effort on these engines. Thanks for all the info shared👍
Love that ending, that thing sounds amazing.
Thanks man!
This is absolutely brilliant… such fine work.
I have an 04 and 06 trailblazer I’m working and all the info is so appreciated.
aussie here i love this engine and the barra intecs
Great and fascinating detailed explanation. Enjoyed every minute. Thanks.
Thanks so much!
Always with good stuff man
Thank you so much for sharing. This is my next engine platform. Been using Mitsubishi to get into the 8-9s for awhile, and wanted to try something new. Again thank you especially for the oiling tips and bellhousing tips
This should guide you on your journey. sites.google.com/view/vortec4200wiki/home
Awesome channel man, been following the stuff matt shares on sloppy that you guys build. Never know you had a youtube channel though!
Great video , looking to do a volvo 240 sleeper, inline 6, this are way cheaper than the 2jz , and still hold with stock equipment , I believe it would fit, thanks for your knowledge , great job
My mind started racing when I saw on Richard Holdener how easy to put a distributor and carb. on Atlas DOHC 6..
After building a honda I don't ever want to touch a V engine. It really nice to see theres a highly available modern straight six capable of power
Thank you for the inspiration I'm looking to do this on my 50 Chevy Deluxe.
Kewl... My mind started racing when I saw on Richard Holdener how easy to put a distributor and carb. on Atlas DOHC 6..
Those individual oil feed ports are amazing. I honestly didn't know that was a thing with the atlas engines!
Great info!! Thank you.
I'm in love with this Channel. Your attention to detail, and step by step instructions on what is going on, it's just second to none. You guys put all the meat on the plate, and say, just fuk the potatoes. that, my friend, is exactly what I'm looking for. It's more than I had hoped for, especially from a TH-cam channel. Just like your Dyno numbers, your videos are just getting better, and better. I'm a crackhead that has found my crack. Keep up the good work. Stay warm, guys. I can't wait for the next one....💯💯💯💯💯😎👍💯💯💯💯💯
He’s Awesome
best video ever!!!!!!!!!
cool video. good information
Man you got some cool rides 😎 👌 👀 🔥 💯
Whole bunch of work is being done to the Futura. Should see a new video in a few weeks.
I’m really getting fired up about these engines. I’m building a Lotus 7 type car. 400 reliable hp would be insane and the straight 6 sound would be more inline with that era. Plus the sound!!!
I was just thinking about doing that exact same thing. Locost 7 with an inline 6 lol
@@chapie62 Only downside I can see is that it’s a pretty tall motor. The 4200 Vortec I mean.
Oh yeah... My mind started racing when I saw on Richard Holdener how easy to put a distributor and carb. on Atlas DOHC 6..
I am so grateful for this Chanel! You speak of 1st Gen systems, and the downfalls of the stock ECU at 16 psi boost. Say I want to run 8 psi max. Say it’s my first vehicle that I have boosted and say my kids will occasionally drive it and I don’t want crazy I want fun. Can I run the first Gen ECU then?
My brother from another mother! The internet is a beautiful fucking thing!
Dam man you are a very smart man.I have a 2004 GMC envoy with the 4.2 l and it is the most gutless piece of crap I've ever driven in my life
Weight and gearing means alot
Weight and gearing means alot
Ok thank you
“Weight and gearing means alot”
As does boost.
Thanks for the video. If you read your comments, I would love to see something covering what you are doing for adapting, what I assume to be, different transmissions ti the 4200 and it's different starter location.
We did a video on that actually.
th-cam.com/video/seR7J3F0JFA/w-d-xo.htmlsi=037h0_6lM6ll6HsS
@@Calvin-Nelson Thanks. Just found you and didn't see it. I was going to put a 292 into my 1950 GMC to have something better than the current 242. I thought atlas engines were only 4 and 5s from checking out the Canyons/Colorados. 292 is a slight improvement but the 4200 would 2x-3x the power. A turbo would be badass. Again, thank you.
Great video, Calvin! Appreciate you taking the time on top of everything else, to walk us through it. One point of clarification. While the 2002-2005 factory ECUs are very limited, the 2006 and 2007 P12 is setup for 2 bar out of the gate, including spark and fuel. The E67 used in 2008 and 2009 is even more flexible with scaleable axis on the timing tables. Still, neither will ever be as flexible as MS.
Yeah. I found out that I was wrong on the 06-07 ECUs, but I am pretty sure they do not allow rescaling of the fuel and spark table on the 6 cylinder OS in the 08-09.
Calvin, great idea on fitting the turbo! I am left wondering how you feed exhaust pressure to your waste gate?
I subscribed !!
Woot woot.
GM has a very tough version of the 4L60e for the Trailblazer SS and Corvette. You can buy the parts or have a shop upgrade the regular version or put race ready parts instead.
That car really goes!
My trailblazer won't go that fast but I'm past the point of wanting speed. I already got my ya yas for speed out yrs ago lol.
I really like Sleepers
Calvin thank you so much for putting such a great informative video together! I have a question for you regarding using this family of engines for road racing application. You mentioned that the stock oil system needs to be upgraded and modified to keep the oil pressure up. How would these engines hold up with pulling some serious lateral Gs while going through corners?
They should hold up fine. GM did a Pikes Peak build with one back when they were being developed.
Great automotive engineering. Great mechanics are so under rated. Too bad the video sound is so bad with the wind noise.
Yeah. That's why we upgraded to lav mics.
Great presentation! Oil filter is questionable with all you invested I would definitely upgrade, NAPA gold or Wix.
Napa gold and wix are same more or less...I’d go with Napa gold cause its gold and wix sounds like wick and those burn to easy...🤣
AC Delco is the only way to fly.
I’m gonna keep this video in mind for whenever I get around to swapping my firebird. You really know your shit about these engines. Only thing I’d do differently is I plan on going with an ecumaster stand-alone just so that I don’t run into those issues you were having with the ecu not being able to support certain hardware EDIT: with regards to the intake manifold, how’d you go about making the one for the stude? I remember you posting about a 3D printed runner setup that would allow you to run a generic plenum setup, but never saw anything else regarding it
Yeah... My mind started racing when I saw on Richard Holdener how easy to put a distributor and carb. on Atlas DOHC 6..
Just found this video and I love it. So creative! Just curious what did you do for a flex plate?
Thanks. We used the stock one
My 61 falcon ranchero will be getting a 4.2 swap one day. Won’t be anytime soon but it’s going to happen
I wanna drop one of these in my 66 C10.
In the future, dead cat on microphone, and speaker should have a lapel mic. Should fix your wind noise.
I want to use a 2006 4200 in my 2001 Sierra using a stock ECU and only 6psi of boost with the .48/.61 T3 turbo that I already have, but I'm hoping to use a 6L80 behind it. Is this possible, and do you have advice and/or information on where I should look for the intro I need to make such a build possible?
I have a 3SGE beams engine running on microsquirt and was tempted to try and use the pwm wire for vvti control. I wonder how wired it would be on that engine due to both intake and exhaust cam gears are adjustable. But either way thanks for this video! Great info and way simpler than I would have thought. I think I'm gonna find a 80's c10 to swap these motors into. Do you think a adapter plate used for bop to sbc would be a great starting point or are the dowled bolt holes off from atlas to sbc/ls?
The doweled bolt holes are in the same spot for a 4200 to sbc
Thanks great video, lots of info , I have a question , did this 4200 or 4.2 came out without a turbo, love LS swaps but 4.2 sounds very interesting, thanks again
They did not. They were all NA.
Just quick questions I have earlier 02 will it handle build like this cool channel ima keep checking out the vids.
I have heard that the 02 engines had issues that were specific to 02. They are very similar to the 2003-2005 engines though. We are currently running an 04 engine in the Stude and recently it went 9s which puts it at around 500whp. We plan to run an 02 in the Fiat, to see if it has issues or not.
So to answer question, probably will take the power but I don't know of anyone that has tried.
How are you running your accessory drive? I also want to remove my AC compressor.
I would like to see this engine in a pickup truck. I doubt I would need a shoehorn to make it fit. There is always an option of doing a body lift to obtain a few more inches of clearance. The trailblazers are being parted out left, and right. The internet has web pages full of electrical problems reported, and other fix-it solutions. I would sure like to have this engine in my 96 GMC.
These originally came in mid size truck related suvs
I have just a normal 04 Vortec 4200 engine yet this vid reveals some secrets to me. thanks. What do you think of "boron nitride" lubricant
Thanks.
Don't know. Never heard of it til your comment. Did some research. Seems like it has some benefits that are useful. I wonder if it is being used in performance applications.
Awesome ride I'd like to do that to a something.
I've always been an inline 6 fan,I think it was the Jeep 4.0 that did it for me.
I like the chevy 250 inline 6 also.
If I wanted keep the engine mainly stock but add 25 more hp,can it be achieved with the stock ecu?
What would it need a chip or would I need to mod the ecu to advance the spark?
250 Chevy is one of my favorites too.
If you only want to add 25 hp, a P12 can handle that no problem. You'll need access to an HP tuners.
If you have a lathe just make a allen plug to replace the fill cap
Do you have detentions of its current setup?
My brother just told me about these swaps being done. He pick up a 4 door nova with no engine said had I-6 factory think pit in a newer 4.2L
Nice! Do it!!!
@@Calvin-Nelson I been talk to him doing a vortex v8 swap to carb or doing a Ls swap bc first choice looking at was a Ls 5.3L. I was tell do a 6.2L like what's in his camaro SS that turn into 416 stroker. That got a video of on my channel when took it to summit
What is factory injector size and could you run bigger to run e85 on stock motor😊
Aww yea! 4200 !
The h3 hummer comes with a rear sump pan im pretty sure it was a 4200 but it could have been a 5cyl i put a trans atcase and diff in the one i worked on it doesnt have the diff through the pan like the trailblazers
Nope. It had the 5 cylinder.
Have you looked into speeduino it’s still batch fire but you get 4 injector outputs and 4 ignition outputs and still uses tunner studio for the software and you can control Vvti with it and boost control. I really like this build and wanting to go the route you did oh and the speeduino is cheaper than the MicroSquirt assembled
I have. Tried it on the Studebaker. I ran it on the dyno. Made 200hp on 6psi. Something was clearly wrong. Then I installed the Megasquirt back onto the car. 300 hp. They have a little work to do before it is ready to be widely used I think.
@@Calvin-Nelson understood
I’m about to find out how well it works for unfortunately my budget was low nice to know you looked into and I’m can’t wait to see how you progress this platform
If you ran a better more capable ecu would you have better luck with the the various options you talked about struggling with controlling?
Yes. Maxxecu is the way.
Killer setup and car! So Im curious why you went Microsquirt? I'm currently tuning the 08 4200 swap I did in my Boneville and the stock E67 ECU with an LSA 6.2 Maf sensor I'm already at 12 lbs of boost with no issues. Not hating your decision just curious. I come from the LS world, and keeping the factory VVT and knock sensors (I need to run 91 octane and have very limited access to E85 here) was big for me. And I'm not a pro tuner, so having the stock GM tables was helpful.
I should add I'm running a built 4L65e so I wanted to keep trans controls.
@@heraldg5617 I just don't like the timing table setup. It's very limiting.
You could do a video just on the oil pan build.
We did.
Could you use a WOT switch to trigger the cam timing?
You could, I would rather do it with an rpm switch so that is is more predictable for your fuel table.
Not knowing much about Microsquirts or even Megasquirts have you looked into some of the other aftermarket ecu's such as a Holley, Hal-tech I know that some of them will allow much more IO's and programability. Would love to see what you could do with one of these if you could control every aspect of the tune
I have messed with Holley quite a bit. This car was built to be a budget car, so can't afford an ECU like either of those.
@@Calvin-Nelson yeah I understand some of us don't have MCM budgets lol. I know the Berra swap that inspired this is running a hal-tech so it would be cool to see a apples to apples comparison wouldn't it, again great work and I love what your doing. Your families work on this has been amazing,
smart pop and son!! bitchin car and motor!
What injector can you put in 4.2
Great info! Ever thought of trying the 5cyl? Or are they not as strong?
Assuming everything else is equal due to shared components, the 3500/3700 should be able to live longer at high rpm due to a shorter, stiffer crankshaft.
I've thought about it. They're just more expensive. I like having the extra displacement too.
@@Calvin-NelsonWork truck tax. I'd like to play with a 2900, but it's the same deal there.
@@mattbirt114 I picked up an engine from a guy up north that has a 2900 Colorado/canyon that he put a turbo on, it made 400+ whp on a stock long block at around 15-16 psi iirc. There is a little bit of it in my last video.
Certakn parts between atlas engines interchange between 4 5 6
Hey, what do you use to tune these? I have a supercharged one I’d love to get running. Thanks!!
I use standalones typically. For stock ECU tuning, I'd use HP tuners.
Looking to swap this in a Mercedes 190e for a unique street build no real reason just like unique builds
Forgive me if I missed it but I'm a GMC owner that has a 4200 vortec and I know that the standard oil capacity with the regular pan is 7 quarts could you tell me how many quarts you can hold once you switch to the Colorado pin?
Depends how large you make the sump when it's modified.
How do I go about getting a aftermarket ECU just trying to get some power out of this
There are a lot of options. Right now, I recommend a Megasquirt Goldbox because they can control the VVT. There are a lot of other options out there too.
Does the 4.2 OE torque converter mate up with the TH400 utilizing the EM Tech torque converter adapter and bell housing adapter? Also, would a junk yard T400 work fine with a stock 4.2? Thanks again
No. The torque converter doesn't work. Depends on your power goals, but a stock Th400 will hold decent power.
@@Calvin-Nelson Where did you source your bell housing adapter? Did you make it so you can utilize the OE bell housing?
@@mpetra4537 made it. You can buy them from emtech motorsports.
@@Calvin-Nelson As far as doing a turbo install, I don't have your kind of experience....what about a 100 shot of nitrous with a good tranny....
And the Ford Fairlane
It's a Fairmont, but we'd probably sell it for $10k
Would this engine be a good swap for a 1 ton pickup truck that came stock with a 454 v8?
Hm. Depends what you're wanting to do with it?
What’s the drawback of using an unlocked stock ecu over going to mega squirt
Megasquirt is far more tunable.
So what do I need to do to fit one of these into my 02' Silverado?
you'll have to make motor mounts, and probably an oil pan. You should have enough hood clearance to use the stock intake. You just need to get an engine and start mocking it up. The stock front sump may fit as is.
Cliff notes; '06-up engine, aftermarket ecu, custom oil pan, feed main #5.
Did you guys use the special balancer on this engine? The manufacture name escapes me...
No we did not use the BHJ balancer
Hey for the ls1 throttle body did you have to do any modifications for the install just wondering? Any info would help and much appreciated
@nivlac57
@@jerryvigil6717 no. Just had to make a flange that allowed it to be bolted on
@nivlac57 do you think it would be possible to be to get it bolted on to where it sits stock originally with just making a flange
@@jerryvigil6717 possibly. You may have to offset it slightly.
@Nivlac57 by how much do you think it has to be offset
What kind of k member do you have? Is it like a upr with ls mounts?
Unknown manufacturer. Bought second (fourth, fifth, sixth...) hand.
Engine/frame mounts are tied into the frame on this car, not the subframe. On the wagon the mounts are mounted to the subframe.
What did you do about the torque converter?
Drilled the flex plate to match the torque converter. Thenade spacers to fill the gap and make the appropriate converter spacing.
It would be nice if hptuners could do a OS change on the factory ecu
Yeah. Not enough volume to make it viable for them, I think
The volume would be much greater if they just did it lol. Alot of people would use it I'm sure but I could be wrong
do you know how much the emtech adapter plate is? I hate when companies don't list their pricing on the website.
They're cheap. $165 plus shipping the last I asked.
@@Calvin-Nelson Oh man!!! That's an amazing price, I had the whole thing cad out to cut a piece out but if its only 165 plus shipping that's cheaper then I'll be able to get the metal for I think. You said in the video that it was just a standard ls adapter for the crank? Lastly the Atlas flexplate and starter work with all this?
@@jonathan7744 Yeah. Honestly, if he had his prices on the website, he would probably sell more. He's not looking to retire on it though, so it is what it is. This should answer your other questions. sites.google.com/view/vortec4200wiki/bellhousing-adapter
@@Calvin-Nelson thank you! I'm just glad his prices are cheap even if it isnt listed on the site.
What if I did a 4200 swap in my 1993 Chevy s10 ext cab?
You would be really cool 😎
Where can I buy the rear oil sump pan?
Emtech Motorsports
How would I be able to get ahold of you if I had any questions? I'm looking to swap one into my 04 1500 silverado
You can send me an email at nivlac5700@gmail.com
What transmissions will bolt up to it?
Lots of info here: sites.google.com/view/vortec4200wiki/home
I know this is an old video, but what was the motivation of putting this engine in that particular car? Just curious if you are still reading comments.
It was cheap. My dad owned it. I wanted to show how easy a 4200 swap actually was and put it into a chassis that was identifiable (fox body).
@@Calvin-Nelson Ah ok, thanks for the reply
Someone need to do an all aluminum v12 based off this block and head.
@Allen Millyard ? are you listening? Ha, good idea shaadydog1
Pete Aardema maybe
How much power have you consistently achieved out of a turbocharged Vortec 4200? I was thinking about building a street/strip car using this engine.
550whp without cams (we've made more, but this is a safe limit) 700whp with cams (we've made more, but this is a safe limit)
@Nivlac57 Thanks, just figured that it would reach around the same as a 4.8L LS 800HP-900HP top end more if pushed.
@@rifleman7313 You have 2 less rods to spread that load across.
@Nivlac57 I guess I was just comparing another high performance inline 6 (5.9L Cummins 360cu) to a high performance v-8 (6.6L Duramax 403cu). I know that the Cummins and Duramax are both diesel turbocharged engines I just found it interesting that if the right turbo is used that an engine lacking 2 cylinders and ~40cu that it could keep up or exceed a v-8 if its built right.
@@rifleman7313 I was talking stock bottom end. The sky is the limit with built bottom end.
my ideal candidate for one of these is like a 75 Monte Carlo with those giant long noses.
My first car ride ever was in one of them.
Those cars could easily hold a Pontiac BB or other BB. Maybe they're hard to find now.
Hood scoop? A nice hood cowl would have been cool.
Nah. I like flat hoods personally.
Do y’all think it could be possible to be done in a third gen camaro?
Yes. Might need a hood scoop
Someone [who has the talent; not me!] needs to do a trans adapter to give the Atlas ["Why you keep calling Atlas 'Vortec' Quimosabe?"] the Slant-6 treatment, which would at least address some of the engine height issue...
Atlas refers to the engine family (4, 5, and 6), not the engine. It would be like me calling the engine a Chevrolet Engine instead of being specific and calling it a Vortec 4200.
How do you get that long timing chain to last? I've killed 2
Let it age for 175k miles and then throw a bunch of boost at it.
@@Calvin-Nelson gotcha🤘🇺🇸
@@Calvin-Nelson pahahahahaha now that is funny bro 😂