Vortec 4200 Engine Differences

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  • Changes and advancements on Ameri-Barra Vortec 4200 DOHC VVT Inline 6 Trailblazer engines over the years and recommendations on which parts to use. We look at the connecting rod designs, crankshaft designs, cylinder head designs, exhaust manifold designs, the different PCM ECU revisions and which one is best for your goals. These engines have so much capability, for the junkyard stock bottom end guys.
    Thanks for watching!!
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  • @Militia.
    @Militia. 3 ปีที่แล้ว +183

    Every 4200 owner/builder is looking for this video. May it never get lost in the youtube algorithm.

    • @livingthelife8443
      @livingthelife8443 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      i think i just fell more in love with cars cause of this inline beauty

  • @TrailKing04
    @TrailKing04 3 ปีที่แล้ว +47

    The 4.2l i6 is such an underrated motor. Everyone looks for the V8 and everything. Nobody on here is doing anything with the 4200. The Atlas motor has ALOT of potential. It just needs time an more eyes on it. There an amazing engine. Thank you for being one of a VERY few ppl pushing the limit of this motor

    • @rattyratstuff7125
      @rattyratstuff7125 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      If I get my machine shop again (purchased one before the paradise fires and by the time I made space, the cops wouldn't let me up to clean out the warehouse where they were sitting)
      I'll be doing a lloott of work on these atlas motors. Hopefully I can get another 5 axis manual mill and cnc so I can prototype AND test internals. Goal it to start producing my own "ameri-barra" set that would include anything needed to get to 1000hp reliably or 1500 as a strip hero with meticulous maintenance. Kind of like J.P. racing did with the 1gz-fe v12 toyota and 1fz-fe 4.0 2j derivative.

    • @eyeamyours5026
      @eyeamyours5026 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Just towed 8500 lbs with my 04 rainier lol

    • @JmanRx81
      @JmanRx81 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I never understood why GM DC'd this engine. Such a fantastic and silky smooth powerhouse engine.

    • @dougmedeiros8862
      @dougmedeiros8862 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thanks For shedding light on a good thing👀👍😎

    • @dougmedeiros8862
      @dougmedeiros8862 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      And I been a longtime member of Inliners International

  • @felixcontreras82
    @felixcontreras82 3 ปีที่แล้ว +66

    Thank you I think you are the only person who breaks down this motors the correct way. Thanks again

  • @Str8sixfan
    @Str8sixfan 3 ปีที่แล้ว +66

    thanks once again for doing something different than LS in the GM world. Really good stuff here for those wanting to head in this direction.

    • @rattyratstuff7125
      @rattyratstuff7125 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Was about to go buy a vette to build a newer drift car. Cause already has an ls1. Now I wanna Frankenstein another pickup or wagon with one of these and between 4 and 500hp on 2 tunes. 1 for skidracin 1 for highway pulls

  • @richb.4374
    @richb.4374 3 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    I have an 06 Trailblazer with the 4200 and I love it. The best inline 6 I ever drove. Pulls very strong for its displacement.

    • @Thumper68
      @Thumper68 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I agree I have the 04 version and it pulls very hard especially once you get to 3500 and above feels like a little boost kicks in but it’s just the vvt working.

    • @ucsasinkings8296
      @ucsasinkings8296 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@Thumper68 I’ve got an 02 with 440k on it and running strong it burns a little oil but what can you expect

    • @randymeyer6482
      @randymeyer6482 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Mopar Slant 6 from the 60s!!! Bullet proof, and zero electronics...

    • @JmanRx81
      @JmanRx81 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@ucsasinkings8296holy shit man!

  • @coldblue32E
    @coldblue32E 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    I'm sitting here having upgraded from a 2004 Envoy to a super clean and well optioned 2007 Trailblazer not knowing the potential of the 4200 at the time, but wanting to turbo it in the future just to find the amazing work you and others have already done. Nice

  • @aimvee45
    @aimvee45 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Your Knowledge is AMAZING!! Thanks for making this video.
    Keep up the work, and I'll keep following!

  • @markgriffin847
    @markgriffin847 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video. I have watched this video many time studying and learning about the 4200. Thanks

  • @zerohourdrift
    @zerohourdrift 3 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    I need one of these ASAP... before they start getting expensive

    • @carnage50x
      @carnage50x 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      You can find them at any junkyard/pull apart. I've seen quite a lot.

    • @voidisyinyangvoidisyinyang885
      @voidisyinyangvoidisyinyang885 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      my local mechanics keep trying to get me to trash my TB even though the engine works fine. Makes me suspicious. haha

    • @zerohourdrift
      @zerohourdrift 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@carnage50x why am I just now realizing you commented on this lol small world😂

    • @carnage50x
      @carnage50x 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@zerohourdrift it's been 84 years...

  • @BigEightiesNewWave
    @BigEightiesNewWave 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks so much looking to get a 2007 now...WOW lots of improvements !

  • @vinikoz2887
    @vinikoz2887 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Thank you for all the info man we appreciate it 4200s they starting to be more and more appealing everytime you go faster with them

  • @Shane-Singleton
    @Shane-Singleton 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I've had my eye on a Trailblazer as a second vehicle. The specific one is a 2006. So thankfully the upgraded head. Thanks for putting this video out.

  • @jacquelynberry2789
    @jacquelynberry2789 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you for showing the coil differences. I had a hunch the coils were similar to ls coils but couldnt tell for sure.

  • @hermatred572
    @hermatred572 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    A man who truly knows his craft. I'd wager you over the GM engineers on some of that info

  • @wil8115
    @wil8115 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    another great vid thanks, Calvin.

  • @carnage50x
    @carnage50x 3 ปีที่แล้ว +27

    I've always liked this engine and knew it had potential. I wish gm put it in more vehicles as well as a stronger aftermarket Field.

    • @JmanRx81
      @JmanRx81 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Same

  • @angelanuccio2167
    @angelanuccio2167 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great Video thanks for putting a lot questions and plenty of arguments to rest.

  • @NYGSucksButDex_
    @NYGSucksButDex_ 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    What’s funny about this engine is that it seems to be a hybrid between the ls and jz (probably the 2 most modded engines in the world other than the k series) and I’ve never seen anybody swap these before (which I find even funnier because all people do is swap the ls and jz lmao).

    • @Judge_Jon
      @Judge_Jon 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      There are some older videos of MK3 Supras with 4200's floating around.

    • @TheAwmartin
      @TheAwmartin 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      “HotRod Garage” did a supercharger (or maybe it was a turbo) build on one of these engines. It’s been a while since I watched the episode. (From an 04 I believe)

    • @lacquerthinnerlarry4546
      @lacquerthinnerlarry4546 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I have a 06 trailblazer and a 3rd gen camaro just looking for a trans

    • @mpetersen6
      @mpetersen6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      A worked with a guy who's nephew put a 4.2 in his 37 Chevy Coupe. At Cars n Coffe people would ask why not an LS or SBC. His reply was any idiot can put an LS in. He just wanted to be different. Theres a 32 Ford Highboy up in Canada that has a Jag 4.2 in it. Just to be different.

  • @theboogyman4985
    @theboogyman4985 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video 👌🏼, 4200 vortec i6 are great motors, change oil every 3000 miles, it's good threw

  • @five12man
    @five12man ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Dude, so obvious you want the refresh model! Great breakdown, excellent detail, got the 4200 in my mind for a project. Def an '06 to start 😎

    • @rattyratstuff7125
      @rattyratstuff7125 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Have an sr20de sentra here at the shop rn. Really want that motor. Also have an 06 trail blazer at the shop. Really want that motor too haha

    • @five12man
      @five12man ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@rattyratstuff7125 That's a shoehorn! I'm back on my old bullshit, straight power train "swap" into an 80s hearse. It will be mine, oh yes, it will be mine

  • @theskidfactory
    @theskidfactory 3 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    Hi from Australia. Could you confirm the trigger teeth pattern for me? Is the 7 tooth 6 even teeth plus 1? and what is the 4 teeth on cam even on the 06-08? Thanks.

    • @Calvin-Nelson
      @Calvin-Nelson  3 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      Hey guys. It's an honor. It's 6+1 on 02-07 engines. 08-09 had 58x identical to an LS. The cam is a weird 6 tooth pattern from 02-07. In 08-09 they went to 4x identical to an LS. The cam sprockets interchange across all the years.

    • @hutchdw77
      @hutchdw77 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      No sh**! Imagine having the SF lads hit you up!

  • @silcoxone
    @silcoxone ปีที่แล้ว

    Really cool video man! Thank you!

  • @daveharness70
    @daveharness70 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Awesome video! Thank you.

  • @raulgalvez4093
    @raulgalvez4093 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very informative video. Thank you👍

  • @Stj209
    @Stj209 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great idea, thanks for the video.

  • @mythos000000025
    @mythos000000025 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Great video on the differences between the years, could you do a video on the blocks themselves though? I'm pretty sure they're then same but no one talks about them

    • @Calvin-Nelson
      @Calvin-Nelson  3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      They're pretty much the same, but there are some non visible differences, like the sleeves in the later ones are apparently stronger.

  • @robbackert2606
    @robbackert2606 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you so much for your videos. You are awesome.

  • @blackericdenice
    @blackericdenice 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I'm glad I found your channel. I bought a 2004 TB with 65k miles in 2008. I still have it and it now has 178k miles. I'm picking it up today from the transmission shop. They rebuilt the tranny because the tc blew up. It's a great suv less the bad mpg. It has never fail an emission test.

    • @marlo0oty213
      @marlo0oty213 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I've seen some of your vids. You are always missing with the tranny and the tcm,, so what happened? Why did it blew up?!

    • @blackericdenice
      @blackericdenice 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@marlo0oty213 I guess because I install a Corvette servo a long time ago. It was shifting to 2nd. too hard for a long time.

    • @marlo0oty213
      @marlo0oty213 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@blackericdenice still you had a chance for a manual tb or some other gear to try other than the 4l60

    • @blackericdenice
      @blackericdenice 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@marlo0oty213 I would like to install a 6L80.

    • @marlo0oty213
      @marlo0oty213 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@blackericdenice I can’t wait to see that. Good luck but I guess the trans housing is different you may have to make a custom adapter plate!

  • @timothybuzzard8480
    @timothybuzzard8480 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Damn glad i watched this vid im in the process of building an 07 motor and i was wondering what years they was the same as.

  • @AOGDC10
    @AOGDC10 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Thumbs up even before vid started playing!!!!

  • @rifleman7313
    @rifleman7313 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks for this very informative video

  • @deanstevenson6527
    @deanstevenson6527 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Richard Holdener sent me here.Great to meet your acquaintance. Cool engine.

    • @Calvin-Nelson
      @Calvin-Nelson  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks bud! Thanks for checking it out too l!

  • @rexmedina4561
    @rexmedina4561 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I have a 93 t100 on 35’s, sr5. The 3.0 is severely lacking in aftermarket support. I was leaning towards a 1uz, or a 2jz, or even a 4.0 from a newer taco since they are making S/C for them. But now, I’m thinking of picking up a 4.2 for a quarter of the price, and boosting the hell out of it lol

  • @jonivanart
    @jonivanart ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video and thanks for all the content. I plan on building one of these in the future for sure! Can you use the older crank in the newer blocks? If so, what is needed to change, upgrade or use to do it?

    • @Calvin-Nelson
      @Calvin-Nelson  ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks. Yes. Only thing you really need to do that is tools. That and I'd get some new main bolts.

  • @georgef1176
    @georgef1176 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I just scored a 04 atlas 4.2 with 106k miles for $300 bucks. Ran great in a rust bucket. My mint 03 envoy just hit 270k miles and finally started making the worn valve seat diesel sound.

  • @driller524
    @driller524 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Awesome video Calvin. Seriously valuable info here. One question. How much does the long block weigh?

    • @Calvin-Nelson
      @Calvin-Nelson  3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      A bare long block weighs about 320pounds.

    • @driller524
      @driller524 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Thank you. That is much lighter than I expected. Some day I will get one and thanks to you will not have to learn the hard way.

  • @button-puncher
    @button-puncher 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    EPIC video! Thanks for the wealth of information!!! How's the height compare to a LS with a truck manifold? Any forged piston or rods out there? ARP head, main, or rod bolts? I'm just starting to research this. I was going to do a LS and a remote mount turbo on my Astro van but this looks like an interesting option. Thanks for helping out Holdener. I'm interested to see his upcoming tests too.

    • @Calvin-Nelson
      @Calvin-Nelson  3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      This should answer the majority of your questions. sites.google.com/view/vortec4200wiki/home

    • @button-puncher
      @button-puncher 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@Calvin-Nelson You rock! Thanks!

    • @jonathancallender8185
      @jonathancallender8185 ปีที่แล้ว

      What a great site. Well done 👍🏻

  • @jamest.5001
    @jamest.5001 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    So it's much like a LS, they all will GO, only you may want a aftermarket ecm, do the later model heads fit the early engin? Great video, I appreciate the knowledge!!

    • @Calvin-Nelson
      @Calvin-Nelson  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      If what you are asking is do the LT heads fit on the LS, then yes the bolt holes line up. They changed the dowel locations, and again you have to come up with a solution for the valve order.

  • @overbuiltautomotive1299
    @overbuiltautomotive1299 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    yes i need know this as the wiki said a redesign happened thank you ill be using this with manual transmission may want to use in a 4x4 also any suggestions just subscribed .be blessed man

  • @bleach_drink_me
    @bleach_drink_me ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks for this video. I got a chance to pick up a RUNNING 280k mile 04 motor for scrap value. I think i may have to do it. If for nothing but to see how it looks at nearly 300k.

  • @TurboWorld
    @TurboWorld ปีที่แล้ว

    Have you ever checked the gaskets with an ls to see if they line up? i aim to build a 16 v v8 using different heads off a 4 cylinder or 6. Cutting is an option. Syclones and Typhoons did it with the v6. Thanks so much for this information, you have saved all of us quite a few headaches with this video!

    • @Calvin-Nelson
      @Calvin-Nelson  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I have not. Unfortunately, they are a very different bore spacing. LS is 4.400", Atlas is 4.055"

  • @chadwinslow5493
    @chadwinslow5493 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very informative

  • @ZitroJose
    @ZitroJose 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    The engine coolant temp sensors are also in different locations. On 02-05 engines its in the block and on 06-later engines its in the head. So if you put a early head on a later block you won't have a place to put a temp sensor. I drilled and taped the upper coolant elbow to house one. Also coming from the repair side of the industry the biggest failure mode we see on these engines is broken valve springs/valve keepers not staying in place, causing bent valves in heads and misfires. This is on stock engines, I'm not sure why it happens but I've seen a trend of them failing this way. The only other failure I've seen is run out of oil causing rod knock.

    • @Calvin-Nelson
      @Calvin-Nelson  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yep. Good catch.

    • @edwardstark8377
      @edwardstark8377 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Why would you put up an older head on a newer block? Maaan. You have to do the opposite.
      I own a 04 trailblazer with the P10. Got a complete 2008 engine. Im gonna swap the crank of 2004 to the 2008 engine and rewire a P12 PCM to get the best ever vortec.
      I confirm 2007 head works well on 2005 block.

    • @ZitroJose
      @ZitroJose 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      02 trailblazer had rod knock, had a free 07 engine with a bad head. Cheap is why.

  • @kouriedonahoo1940
    @kouriedonahoo1940 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    You can expand virtual VE in HP Tuners for the e67 and 4200 into 3 bar while still utilizing the MAF for NA conditions.

    • @benandjakehuston6321
      @benandjakehuston6321 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Can you confirm that? You're speaking from experience?

  • @benvin10365
    @benvin10365 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This video is great information.

  • @edwardstark8377
    @edwardstark8377 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    First!!!! I've been sooooo waiting for this. Thank you veeeeeeeery much man! Posting this to all TB Groups.
    Thank you for responding to my request. Keep making this engines go BUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUURRRRRRR!!!!!!!

    • @Calvin-Nelson
      @Calvin-Nelson  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      No problem. Thanks for the idea!

    • @michaelk617
      @michaelk617 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Nice piece of education Calvin. A lot of misconception out in the forums where people claim that using a 06 and later cylinder head on a 05 block is a way to increase HP. Clearly none of them actually tried what they claim otherwise they would have discovered the bolt pattern variation.

  • @jdean1851
    @jdean1851 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    GREAT INFO" THANX FROM IDAHO!

  • @keywilliamsanders5903
    @keywilliamsanders5903 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thank you I look forward to turbocharger my 09 trail.blazer just as a daily kinda sleeper. Not trying to run crazy numbers just double maybe so around 500

  • @yp360
    @yp360 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Can you go more in depth on using the stock ecu for boost? Also I want very badly to use this motor for my next drift car build. I know you’re a drag guy but if you (or any one else) had any input on how a 4200 might perform in a drift car, I’d love to hear it. I’ve also been binging all of your 4200 videos, great information and awesome builds!

    • @Calvin-Nelson
      @Calvin-Nelson  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Doing a drift build is totally doable. As with any drift car, the key is oil control. There is a guy in Sweden that has a really sick Volvo Drift car with a 4200.
      Check this out for more information. sites.google.com/view/vortec4200wiki/home

  • @user-pu5vd1hw4v
    @user-pu5vd1hw4v 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thank you, thank you verry much.

  • @seanbrosnan2074
    @seanbrosnan2074 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    My mom has a old 2003 trailblazer with a 4200. 120,000 miles, beat up a little but in decent condition. Transmission is like 20,000 miles cause it died at 100,000 (I don't know why, mom had to get it replaced). Going to dust it off, has been outside sitting for the past year, get it inspected and add maybe the ss body kit to it and some bigger tires, and do e85 swap with some boost and it will be prime.

  • @michaelblacktree
    @michaelblacktree 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Good info! After watching your videos, I want to stuff a 4200 into my BMW.

    • @ProjectCarTV
      @ProjectCarTV 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Would be nice in a 5 series. I had a 530i with a Garrett GT40 and it was awesome until a guard rail bit me and caused frame damage. Just a slight dinger on the highway but it was enough.

    • @safetyfirstintexas
      @safetyfirstintexas 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Likely hood interfearance

  • @thehammermanduke
    @thehammermanduke ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Good Stuff!!!

  • @NoSlackZak
    @NoSlackZak 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The 4200 God over here. Thank you!

  • @davidrutledge6033
    @davidrutledge6033 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Im swapping 08 4200 in a 91 s10 and this video made me a subscriber

  • @esdar66g95
    @esdar66g95 ปีที่แล้ว

    First of all Thank you very much for your videos and information, i subscribed. I just picked up today here in Spain an early 4200 engine from a Trailblazer (very rare here) to swap into my Drift BMW E36 and im already scratching my head thinking about the hood clearance, oil pan, and how to get the engine running without having to use the entire engine + body harness and module because of the immo on the ECU, i want to figure this out before starting to break my brain figuring out the flywheel and clutch assembly to use with an E36 Gearbox, sadly they threw away the gearbox and i dont have the bellhousing to make a flange from it :( any help would be appreciated, Thank you very much! EDIT: The ecu is the first one you showed the P10

    • @Calvin-Nelson
      @Calvin-Nelson  ปีที่แล้ว

      I have a ton of info here. Check it out. sites.google.com/view/vortec4200wiki/home

  • @juiced71
    @juiced71 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    So cool !
    I have a ls trailblazer that sucker has 258,000 miles keeps on ticking !
    Really good engines ! Very impressive information!!

    • @David-rx5eo
      @David-rx5eo 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      My 2002 LS TB is right around that 258,000 range and running great.

    • @juiced71
      @juiced71 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@David-rx5eo just braking in! Ha!!

  • @ProjectCarTV
    @ProjectCarTV 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What do you think of the removable sleeves in the block? If you were to use an aftermarket ECU what would you use? Megasquirt perhaps?

    • @Calvin-Nelson
      @Calvin-Nelson  3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      They're not really removable.
      I use Megasquirt 3 Goldbox.

    • @ProjectCarTV
      @ProjectCarTV 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Calvin-Nelson Replaceable i meant. I read somewhere that they're replaceable, but that of course is the internet. The block does have sleeves correct? I live in San Diego and I'm close to Darton Sleeves. Currently working on an 04 Trailblazer LS. This video was really good to see the difference in heads. Are you using the stock head studs or aftermarket like ARP? And head gasket? I've been looking towards Cometic or whoever makes a multi layer steel. Eventual goal is a remote mount twin turbo setup at the rear axle. I have two genuine Garrett GT3076r's that came off my 05 Audi Allroad project.

    • @Calvin-Nelson
      @Calvin-Nelson  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@ProjectCarTV I'm sure that you could sleeve a block. Not really worth it in my opinion. The stock blocks will take some abuse from what I've read and experienced. All the stuff we've done is with the stock engine. Not even opened up. They come factory with MLS head gaskets.

    • @ProjectCarTV
      @ProjectCarTV 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Calvin-Nelson gracias!

    • @ProjectCarTV
      @ProjectCarTV 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Calvin-Nelson Thanks a lot! I'll have to do some sleeving no doubt though. I ordered a 4l60e from Monster Transmission that's good for 1000+. I saw the stock rods in your video and although they're pretty beefy I think I'll go with Pauter. I'm lucky to be where I'm at in San Diego, so many good companies in this city. Crower, Pauter, Carillo, Darton. Not to mention machine shops. I have a spare block that I'm going to be taking for machining soon. Using two 3076's automatically puts me well above 500hp. I may use a stock block for testing. I have a lot of work ahead. Still have to find a daily driver to take the Trailblazer off the road. One that I won't be tempted to f**k with. I can't even buy a used Hyundai Elantra because the 2.0L engines are shared with Mitsubishi and I'll be tempted once again lol. Thanks a lot. I've been following your channel but never commented.

  • @denniswitthuhn2277
    @denniswitthuhn2277 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very informative thank you. My question is in a stock application how difficult is it to use an 06 head on an 03 engine that is in a trailblazer.

  • @lorimcquinn3966
    @lorimcquinn3966 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video, a question though for the Luddite in some of us; Any method of installing a brace of Side Draft Webers and putting a manual trans behind the 4200??

    • @Calvin-Nelson
      @Calvin-Nelson  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes and yes. Go on the Vortec 4200 swap and performance page on facebook. They have all of the details for manual trans swaps there. For weber carb install, all you need to do is make an intake.

    • @lorimcquinn3966
      @lorimcquinn3966 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Calvin-Nelson Thanks! Will check it out.

  • @slfrules1
    @slfrules1 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Those 06+ heads!! Ports are still a little lower/smaller than one might like to see but otherwise look like they're down to flow!

  • @scrapmetal_sleepers
    @scrapmetal_sleepers 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Great information here. Do you happen to know what the later model engines will take before the sbe pops?

    • @Calvin-Nelson
      @Calvin-Nelson  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I don't.... Well not yet anyways. I think the key will be RPM.

  • @stevedeforest2813
    @stevedeforest2813 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video and info. Just started working on these motors a few months ago, your videos help a lot. Have a question for you. If I put an 05 motor into an 06, used fuel rail and injectors from 06, but getting a cam/crank position error, and running very rough. Do I need to re-learn the sensors? I actually did 2 trailblazers and they both have the same problem, so the common denominator is obviously me. Thanks, once I get going for a while, I'm going to try to turbo one. I have some experience with Mitsubishi turbos.

    • @Fury_MB
      @Fury_MB ปีที่แล้ว

      could be the difference in crankshafts (just a thought). he did say that the counter weights were reduced in 06 so maybe the ecm is reading off the 06 crankshaft stuff and not the 05. might need someone with a programmer or a machine that can delve deep into the values and see what parameters are messing up. i doubt the rpms are different but i believe the sensors are different. all else fails if the plugs and sensors are the same then swap them for the 06 and see if there is a change.

    • @bettyfaye
      @bettyfaye 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The camshaft reluctor is different and I don't think you can change just them

  • @altruismfirst6489
    @altruismfirst6489 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you for this comparison, any chance you can let me know what the bore spacing or cylinder head stud spacing between the bores?

  • @PrintEngineering
    @PrintEngineering ปีที่แล้ว

    Great info thanks. The only other thing I wanted to hear about was what the visual external differences were with the crank sensor change to 58 tooth and how to tell them apart when buying a used engine.
    Also, is the same connecting rod used for 08 as was revised in 06?

    • @Calvin-Nelson
      @Calvin-Nelson  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I thought I talked about how 58tooth motors have a 3 wire crank sensor. All others are 2 wire. Same connecting rods as 06+. See the wiki for more.

    • @PrintEngineering
      @PrintEngineering ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Calvin-Nelson thanks I missed the 3 wire part. Didn't they move the crank sensor as well? I'm trying to get a crank kit for my 08 but because there was rod knock on a few I'm probably going to replace those rods.

    • @Calvin-Nelson
      @Calvin-Nelson  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@PrintEngineering no. Cranks sensor is in the same spot and has the same dimensions I retrofit 3 wire sensors into 7 tooth motors for standalone ecus all the time.

  • @stevedeforest2813
    @stevedeforest2813 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hello, great video, watched it several times. Hoping you could answer a question for me. Putting a 04 motor into an 06 trailblazer. Will the 04 fuel pressure regulator work in 06? cause 06 has no return line, I assume because of different type of fuel pump that doesn't need a return line because of the feedback. Thanks Just started working with these, pretty impressive motor, I am buying another one to redo after I finish the one that I am currently doing for my grand daughter.

    • @Calvin-Nelson
      @Calvin-Nelson  ปีที่แล้ว

      I would just use all the 06 stuff if you have it.

  • @charleslowe522
    @charleslowe522 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What about the block itself and the main caps. Also, what does it take to get an 08 block up and running, I mean what aftermarket ECU? MS Squirt?

  • @rensch26
    @rensch26 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks for showing the two cylinder heads side by side. Question for you, in 2007 GM increased the bore size for the I4 and I5 versions of the Atlas engine by increasing the cylinder liner size. Since the valve sizes increased on the I6 did they not increase the bore size as well?

    • @Calvin-Nelson
      @Calvin-Nelson  3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Nope. Never did that on the 6 or it probably would have been a 4.4L

    • @rensch26
      @rensch26 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Calvin-Nelson That's what I thought. Even if you wanted to put the 3.7 or 2.9L liners in your 4.2 block you'd still be stuck without an off the shelf head gasket.

  • @FDChappy
    @FDChappy 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Joining the Vortec 4200 club and going to do a frame swap with a '65 IH pickup. I'm wanting to do some work with the P12 ECU. What software are you using to do your programming. I'm just looking to delete a few sensors that won't be needed for my build and perhaps setup, if possible, a 2 or 3 driving mode system. Thanks for turning me on to this platform. I built a Spit6 back in the day and that was a ripper little I6.

    • @Calvin-Nelson
      @Calvin-Nelson  10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      HP tuners is what I would use.

    • @FDChappy
      @FDChappy 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Ouch $500 bucks, looks top of the line though.@@Calvin-Nelson

  • @andymcdo
    @andymcdo 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    So early bottom end, retro a 58x reluctor on the crank, 06+ head, and swap the 08+ 4x cam wheel on. got it.

    • @Calvin-Nelson
      @Calvin-Nelson  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yep. You will have to attach the 58x wheel to the damper, because the internal trigger wheel is not removable.

    • @andymcdo
      @andymcdo 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Calvin-Nelson oh BEANS. I'd want to use a Holley efi as that's what I'm familiar with.

  • @wild8757
    @wild8757 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Looks to me I’m glad I got an 06 LT trailblazer

  • @formeitwastuesday.1515
    @formeitwastuesday.1515 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I want one in my 77 impala since sime came with an inline 6. Im looking for a doner truck at the moment.

  • @slackhannan1665
    @slackhannan1665 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great channel. Regarding differences through the years, are the 2002-2005 blocks externally the same as 2006+ blocks? I have a 2002 that I plan to use for fitment test and motor mount fabrication. If I get it to fit, I plan to find a good 2006 to swap in.

    • @Calvin-Nelson
      @Calvin-Nelson  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Only difference dimensionally is the cam cover is a little shorter lengthwise and a bit taller on the later motors.

    • @slackhannan1665
      @slackhannan1665 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Calvin-Nelson Thanks man! I got the 2002 motor - reportedly bad - for $50. Going to attempt to fit it in 2nd gen camaro, so I know I have some work ahead of me.... along with doing a rear sump pan.

    • @Calvin-Nelson
      @Calvin-Nelson  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@slackhannan1665 very cool.

  • @ZackNakazora1
    @ZackNakazora1 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    So which set up would be best for a 70's era dart/duster? I want to NA tune one with nitrous for kicks and shits. make a modern "super 6" trans am car that boogeys. I'm thinking 08/09 cause of the hptuner capability, but anything 06 and up sounds good.

  • @voidisyinyangvoidisyinyang885
    @voidisyinyangvoidisyinyang885 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    On modern engines without rocker arms they are internationally known as "valve cover" but are sometimes referred to as a "cam cover" or "timing cover" if they also cover the timing gear(s) and belt or chain.

    • @Calvin-Nelson
      @Calvin-Nelson  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Good to know. I'll still screw it up.

    • @voidisyinyangvoidisyinyang885
      @voidisyinyangvoidisyinyang885 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Calvin-Nelson I just copied and pasted that - I had never even heard of either term before - thanks for the great vids! I'm tooling around in my TB 04 - wondering if some MMO will clog up my oil pan filter since the whole drive train would have to be taken apart if that happens! haha. I used some MMO before and had the classic dirty exhaust smoke clean out. So I guess I got lucky. Also I put in boron Nitride. ... At 267K so far so good - the third valve did not burn out as happens on those engines. haha. thanks again.

  • @young11984
    @young11984 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    In the early coils what was the plug gap/boost when break up occurred? Also other than cam cover/VVT difference does the intake, exhaust, front cover and oil pans have a common pattern or are there some variances? Im doing a Barra in my 65 F100 but thinking of one of these for a buddies 66 chevy truck vs the 2JZ since he wants something unique and different too

    • @Calvin-Nelson
      @Calvin-Nelson  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Ngk tr6 plug. 0.020" gap. Probably could have gapped it down a little more but we were out of time.

  • @BEANS-O-MATICtransmissions
    @BEANS-O-MATICtransmissions 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    @nivlac57 So when guys are using the early crank with the late pistons/rods, are they getting them balanced?

  • @MrJrryhy460
    @MrJrryhy460 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    thanks for showing, now I know why 2006 heads (larger port holes) prior to previous years(smaller port holes).

  • @eliascardoza9202
    @eliascardoza9202 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Heyy man im bench watch ur 4.2 engine build to learn more about it wanting to build mine as well. I have my 05 head rebuild was thinking on porting it but don't really know much on all that and knowing that the ecu won't work for tuning would the other one plug in and play haha .

    • @Calvin-Nelson
      @Calvin-Nelson  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      You would have to repin it and add a MAF sensor, but it has been done before. It it were mine, I would look at upgrading to an 06+ head and maybe port that.

    • @warrenlancaster8045
      @warrenlancaster8045 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      You’ll spend $1500 on a port job and it’ll flow about the same as an 06+ when stock. Just buy the 06 head for like $200.

  • @terrypikaart4394
    @terrypikaart4394 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nice info. Have you talked with the Nova wagon guy?
    12yrs ago he ran a 9.31 with a 4200

    • @Calvin-Nelson
      @Calvin-Nelson  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Not yet. Would love to though.

    • @terrypikaart4394
      @terrypikaart4394 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I do have a question. You have the plastic valve cover on that engine with fabricated intake, so small port head why?
      My daily driver is a 03 4200, rattles like crazy when its cold.
      I live in mich. Seems like its the pistons, are they forged?

    • @Calvin-Nelson
      @Calvin-Nelson  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@terrypikaart4394 no. They're hypereutectic

  • @CJ-tm4ef
    @CJ-tm4ef 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Is my 05 4200 vortex worth the trouble of upgrading it and if so where should I start. Right now it's factory and any advice would help. I mostly trail ride no mudding and I don't race just need to get up those hills.

  • @luckautofab4461
    @luckautofab4461 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    So in a nut shell its pretty much like the ls engine world..
    Use the later model pistons rods, and cylinder head on a earlier model block/crank.. because of ecu options(in this case a stronger crank)
    I guess there was no changes made to the block between years?

    • @Calvin-Nelson
      @Calvin-Nelson  3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I think they did very minor things. They're all pretty good.

  • @zuke9966
    @zuke9966 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Is it possible to put an 06 engine in an 08? If so what needs to change? ECU? and Harness?

  • @modeverything1
    @modeverything1 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Did any of them get a forged crank? In some of the 3500v6 (non vvt) GM put a forged crank in them, and others got a cast, but they all got the PM rods.

  • @johnwall5624
    @johnwall5624 ปีที่แล้ว

    😎 👍 Yea!!

  • @MichaelDurig1
    @MichaelDurig1 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Can you use the 12 weight crankshaft work in a 06 motor? I have a 06 Trailblazer that I want to rehabilitate. Thanks for an interesting video.

  • @tylerstanton9879
    @tylerstanton9879 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hey i have a 05 gmc envoy with the 4.2 its got a check engine light on the dash for code p0014 which is the advanced timing on cam b code i was just wondering do you know if i have to do timing belts or if there's just some cam sensor i have to replace

  • @casestyer1166
    @casestyer1166 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Im thinking about a high rpm build. You spoke of these 4200's revving to 10,200 rpm. What valvetrain and rotating assembly would they be using?

    • @Calvin-Nelson
      @Calvin-Nelson  3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Definitely have to shim the lifters to essentially make then solid. Another hot ticket is to use Ecotech followers. They are stronger, and interchange. Not sure what to recommend on valve springs. I found a set of 2JZ valve springs that will work, I just don't know if it will work at 10,000 RPM. These engines have very bad harmonics at around 6,500 RPM. Guys that are taking them to 10,000 RPM run like 7,000 stall converters. Basically they just get through the bad harmonics as quickly as possible.
      I would probably be wise to put cams in it so that it will make power at that RPM. Billet cams are expensive, but you probably can get away with a regrind. In my opinion the stock cams are pretty decent and you can do a lot with them. Not sure if they'll support power at 10,000 rpm.

  • @joeschlotthauer840
    @joeschlotthauer840 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    *Have you done a build using all of the premium parts of all the engines with a detailed description of the parts, if not, are you....*

  • @bleach_drink_me
    @bleach_drink_me ปีที่แล้ว

    Would it be worth getting the previously mentioned motor 03-04 motor for cheap and just using the block but use crank,rods,pistons and head from the 06?

  • @mikecruz4356
    @mikecruz4356 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I am planning to put the inline 5 or 6 if it works my goals are 400 to 500 hp on a na miata.

    • @LoganC278
      @LoganC278 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      That would be nasty dude

  • @pilarrodriguez9909
    @pilarrodriguez9909 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Where do i get an Aluminum Intake Manifold like that or did you make that custom where can I get performance parts

  • @mobilemowers
    @mobilemowers 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    So friend has an 07 2x2 with bad engine / rod knock till it warms up after short time drive comes back. He got a deal on an 04 4x4 thats clean. Seems the crank and cam teeth count are the same. Only issue maybe the vvt on the cam as they changed 06/up ? If that isn't an issue should work fine since change rails or what minor things over. Don't thing oil pan isissue. Yard was saying they should interchange according to Hollander. Thanks

    • @Calvin-Nelson
      @Calvin-Nelson  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yeah. Should interchange. Like you said the VVT is the only question mark.

  • @jasonsoto6331
    @jasonsoto6331 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have an 04 envoy with a rusted frame but, found a 06 envoy with bad trans, planning on swapping the whole thing, will I have to swap harness and ecu since theyre somewhat different?

  • @sshuttlesworth24
    @sshuttlesworth24 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Did the block change? Can you swap the heads on the block?

  • @valenzuelasoirie1233
    @valenzuelasoirie1233 ปีที่แล้ว

    Will a 06 trailblazer engine work in a 03 trailblazer?
    What's all the modifications I got to do before the engine will start and run good ?

  • @johncooper9976
    @johncooper9976 ปีที่แล้ว

    What would be a good build for an Atlas 4200? I am driving a 77 C10 with an inline 6. I want to keep it L6 but more modern. I have spent way more money than you can imagine hot rodding the stock 250 L6 and have yet to drive it. I have liked the 4200 because it's not an LS, it's not the normal thing you see. Do all part on the 4200 interchange? (Yes, valve covers won't) What part would you put together for a boosted application?

    • @Calvin-Nelson
      @Calvin-Nelson  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The 4200s share almost no similarity to the old school 6 cylinders, except for their decks height. Sounds like a great swap candidate.
      This should help. sites.google.com/view/vortec4200wiki/home

  • @lasthopelost9090
    @lasthopelost9090 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I’m surprised atlas 4200 didn’t replace the 4.3 vortec I’m glad they started putting LS parts on it makes things easier

    • @mpetersen6
      @mpetersen6 ปีที่แล้ว

      Engine packaging. Same reason Chrysler dropped the 4.0.

    • @lasthopelost9090
      @lasthopelost9090 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@mpetersen6 but in trucks? That isn’t much of an issue

    • @mpetersen6
      @mpetersen6 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@lasthopelost9090
      When they redesigned the vehicles using the 4.2 the motor would not fit anymore.

  • @TC-hs5wy
    @TC-hs5wy 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Love these inline sixes. One of wards ten best engines. More powerful and torquey than the 4.0 in the Jeep.

    • @mpetersen6
      @mpetersen6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Generations more advanced of a design. What would you expect. The 4.0 is a great engine that will tun forever. Provided it is taken care of. But it was an old design. The initial production of the design was in 1964 but in concept it is very similiar to any other inline OHV six. Post 2000 there was some preliminary work done on adapting it to 24 valves. Either OHV or a head similiar to the Chrysler 3.5/4.0 V-6. The 3.5 is a little weird. 4 valves per cylinder with two intake lobes and one exhaust.

    • @TC-hs5wy
      @TC-hs5wy ปีที่แล้ว

      @@mpetersen6 yes i had a 4.0 litre in a 1993 cherokee 2 door. It had 340,00 k on it when i sold it. Was running perfect as was trans. It seemed bullet proof.

    • @mpetersen6
      @mpetersen6 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@TC-hs5wy
      Remember when GM was building that Cyclone S-10. Spent a bunch of money taking a specially prepped one out to the Salt Flats and set some records. A year or two later an engineer in Jeep powertrain on his own prepped a Commanche with a 4.0. Turbo etc. Took it to Bonneville and crushed the records that GM set. Pushed that Commanche up to close to 200.

  • @sunlikemedicinec.w.b8141
    @sunlikemedicinec.w.b8141 ปีที่แล้ว

    Just got an 05 is it still a good motor before the upgrades