The Ultimate STANCE Test: Muay Thai vs MMA Stance
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In this sparring vlog, I use the Muay Thai stance (tall, narrow, squared) in round 1 and in round 2, I use more of an MMA stance (wide, narrow, bladed). Throughout the video, I will be discussing the pros and cons of both stances!
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I like the seated stance, where I sit down and watch other people do the fighting
same
haha!
Lol
I hate it when I’m trying to get my grocery list from my wife on the phone and some psycho just roundhouse kicks me in the head out of nowhere. So annoying!
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Ive been muay thai practitioner since I was 8 years old. I'm used to my stance but I tend to mix it up with a boxing and mma stance from time to time. It's always good to change it up. It give you advantages in different out comes
cheers!
💯 agree! Staying in one stance just makes someone more of a robot. Easier to figure out. It's always good to add chaos. That is what a fight is. Chaos.
Some of the pro and cons of both stances might be different in a more "hard" session. For example he wont be able to walk through many hard kicks from your MT stance like that. Now, since you did light sparring, it's easier for him and a a lot less dangerous do go in and out, absorb a kick while entering, and reset. A teep to the face or a hard round to the liver would have made him hesitate a lot more. Same for your MMA stance, it would be a lot different if his low kick were really chopping your leg. I am not saying you must always have a hard spar, (or even too often) but just that some stances, techniques and tactics might work in a semi contact/controlled situation and not the same way in a hard session or match.
True
I agree with this. Had a harder round (not hard to the head just the body) with my coach and he abused Teeps. Completely took my confidence away to try and box him. Hard Teeps are incredibly effective
True that's the weird thing about sparring.
Mma stance is better in my opinion, but if leg kicks are a threat, either eat it and go for your own shot or switch up the stance and check then go back to the mma
Yes but then in the muy thai stance u can be very easily taken down as u r very narrow. The muy thai stance is great if u have a fantastic bjj game, the best example is Charles Oliveira. I honestly prefer the mma stance as it easier to move with, and I'm less concern about takedowns. But both are greats just depends on the situation :)
It really depends on your background. I came from TKD and Judo. The MMA stance just feels more natural. Never got used the MT stance. Also, being a smaller guy, I favour mobility verses checking kicks.
Cheers!
Despite being able to move your head more, you are getting tagged way more with the MMA stance. To me the clear advantage of the MMA stance is to create openings for strikes by feinting TD, and obviously being better able to explode into TD. I don't buy the lower stance being that much better for defending takedowns, Jose Aldo has been stuffing TD at the highest level of MMA out of a MT stance for over a decade. But I also acknowledge his goal is to keep the fight standing not to use his own TD. I prefer the MT stance personally.
Fair enough each person has their preference both are viable. Not arguing but are you sure Jose Aldo fights out of a Muay Thai stance? I know he predominantly is a striker in mma but I don't feel he stands as tall as alot of the Thai guys do. I'd have to go rewatch some of his fights again to refresh my memory
Jeff likes to explode forward to strike and kick then dart out which is only possible with his stance which I think is longer than the average mma stance
Jose Aldo uses some Muay Thai striking with his kicks and knees but his stance is not a traditional Muay Thai stance he’s got like a perfect balance of a Muay Thai and Boxing stance and he’s uses both arts amazingly with excellent takedown defense
Jose Aldo doest not really do the MT stance. In the majority of his fights he uses MMA stance. There were moments when he was close to MT stance, but that's it.
That's because it less defensive he did say he use the muay thai stance for defense
I’d prefer to spar you with you using MT stance lol.
But I think being able to blend styles
Is always key. I like MT stance against aggressive KB style fighters. Mainly, as you said because of teep and kick catches from carriage blocks.
I feel with more elusive fighters, like you, there has to be a speed match. So tactics have to change to meet that speed and movement. Especially when attack lines are not always linear, but using hard angles
thanks for watching!
I always thought that the stance you used depended on the distance between you and your opponent.
As usual, I'm learning a lot from your tips. Thank you! I've been experimenting with mixing up my stances depending on the flow of the fight and my opponent's fighting style.
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I've trained Muay Thai for over a decade, but recently doing some Sanda and Boxing which both use a toe/heel alignment type stance that's lower. It resonates when you talk about the Muay Thai stance being a more lazy and laid back stance. In Sanda and Boxing I'm using a lot more energy.
Ur videos are Awesome dude. I often try to use some of Ur combinations in shadow boxing or sparring sessions 💪🏿
Loving the physical comedy Jeff! Keep it up, it adds a lot to your videos!
thanks man!
Jeff been watching you from beg and I gotta day not only have you improved but you are one of the best strikers I have ever seen period. Was excited back then, still excited to see you keep rising to the top!
thank you brother!!
World class content as always brother, i am so thankful that you and your channel exists.
thank you brother!
Just leaving a comment to say thank you for making these super dope videos Jeff! Much respect bro!
thanks for your support!
When I'm messing around and sparring my friends I'm usually switching multiple stances around as you can feint different attacks that way and give them a lot to think about. Out of the two stances you showed off, I'd definitely say your MMA stance looks a lot more natural. I know sometimes you do style breakdowns like that one you did about Wonderboy. Just curious if you would consider doing one of Corey Sandhagen? I feel he's an excellent striker who brings a lot of interesting things to the table
Definitely sandhagen is a beast and fun to watch
This is great information, id enjoy seeing this same video but with takedowns involved to see the difference in takedown defense in the Muay Thai stance vs MMA stance when the striking, setups & feints come into play. I think we all know what the results would be, but watching it play out would be informative and entertaining. Who knows might find a surprise within the lesson. Thanks for the great content!
thank you!!
This helped me alot, realizing my mma stance isnt gonna work in my predominantly kickboxing/muay thai gym, thanks for this
cheers!
Another great video Jeff, it's crazy how fast your reactions are. An interesting video idea could be a theory breakdown, like how you think when you spar and maybe a you could talk about tactics you used to improve. For example I always walk into class with a new technique from your videos and drill them in sparring.
thanks man and good idea!!
just wanna say that your fighting style looks awesome. Idk why its just very fluid, fast and accurate.
I prefer using MMA stance because of the footwork and it's easier for me offensively and evasively, but I tend to eat leg kicks because of it. Vice versa, when I use the Thai stance, my defense is very high, but I have a hard time being offensive and using pressure. Trying to get to a point where I can mix them both up a bit.
Second round slightly shifted from pronounced mma wide stance towards a less pronounced more mis thai/mma, with saenchai shuffle included (a lot like lerdsila stance).
Great post Jeff. Thanks.
thanks for watching!!
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hahahahah thanks man!
These videos are always entertaining 🤘 I like to think it helps to switch between stances for different techniques and movements. I have the same sentiment when it comes to the Muay Thai stance where it's difficult to have quick feet, but it's easier for me to do front round kicks and defend. But the MMA/ablative stance is so much fun because of how fast you become (side kicks!!!) 😄
To reiterate, I think stances can be situational 😅
thank you bro!!
So in other worlds, it's good to learn both and mix it up when needed.
Definitely mma stance also I'm more comfortable with because of my tkd and karate background
Its pretty good bcoz the bouncing flow
sweet!
Great video and great explanations! Great channel! Thanks
thank you!
I like the consecutive switches to set different things up. Slick
thank you!!
Thanx for the tips Champ 🏆!
no prob!
I like those switches your throwing from the MMA stance, just appears you have more options in general from this stance.
cheers!!
Thank you for the video! I've been replicating a lot of your videos (or trying to) and this video will definitely help me have a more consistent stance!
Thanks man!
As a non-fighter and musician, I notice that there's not just different options and advantages to each stance or even a different strategy but a different psychology. Think stance as in someone's stance on some controversial issue. The underlying assumptions and attitude that produce the physical setup we call a stance are different before the physical stances ever appear. Don't know if this helps you at all in understanding what you're doing but thought I'd point it out
Depends on what type of style your opponent have. But I think both style is great.
definitely! I agree!
Hi Jeff. Love your videos and your fights . I really like the sideways stance. Think Wonderboy Thompson or Raymond Daniels. Think of this stance as an in-between of the two you mentioned. Sidekicks are even more effective than teeps for blocking incoming blitzes and intercepting your opponents with power and you also have a great boxing base ( for straight punches anyway) and a wide enough stance to stop TDs. It is also great for setting up kicks over the shoulder and for blitzing your opponent with the constant bounce and explosive first step. The cons are that it is really high maintenance and both your leg durability and cardio must be superb to sustain this stance for 5 rounds but it can be done. Also head movement + angle creation are required when using this to properly maintain your distance and create striking opportunities. I have been fighting in point fighting and TKD since I was little and have recently transitioned to full contract kickboxing finding a lot of success against Thai style fighters and pure boxers by using this unusual style . Give it a try sometime. Even if it doesn't fit you it helps knowing how this works fir when you eventually fight a guy that uses a stance like that. Sorry for the long comment, much love.
cheers!! thanks for watching!
On the weekend I was at sparring session with many other fighters (Muay Thai, K1, Boxing, MMA). 20 rounds sparring on the feet.
When I occasionally fought a boxer with a more bladed stance I realize that they move in and out quicker. I stayed in my usual Muay Thai stance and tried to make it working because I don’t do Boxing or MMA. Seems like good opportunity to work on cutting corner and stuff like this
cheers!
I think stances should be dynamic depending on the circumstances
Even a side stance may be useful as someone circles to your outside, and you catch them with a side kick or hook kick!
yknow thats the best way to think about it. You have to adapt and there's not just 1 ''best'' style to use all the time.
Side stance never works
Nice breakdown of pros and cons. What do you think about switching between these stances to political your opponent,s style?
Shoutout to you and your sparring partner showing how the pace and power level of sparring should be. High-level spars with etiquette. Well done.
thank you!!
Hey Jeff I have almost all of your programs and in sparring I will use a lot of combos from you tactics and defenses. My favorite combo is the dart in cross with low kick and I land it every time unless I’m too slow. I have also tried different style stances and mma suits every technique to an extent. I like to throw lead leg techniques like lead Rh or side kick or front kick and teep and sometimes I feel the stance hinders them so when I do throw them I’ll shorten the stance to pull them off. But for everything else ( mma stance is probably the best for all around different techniques) thanks Jeff
sweet man im glad to hear that! I love the cross double step low kick as well, def my favourite! Keep it up bro!
Thank you for the breakdown, it was perfect.
I generally practice mma more often than muay thai, hence I have the stance that allows me to box also, defend takedowns quickly, and move in and out.
What always bothered me in muay thai, that I always get wrecked by very good defensive thai fighters, that don't really engage and keep kicking you from distance and don't use punches much.
This video really helped me understand more that if you want to fight muay thai rules, you're gonna have to stick to their stance.
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Great video. I can see you’re more comfortable in the MMA stance. For me, I would switch up in stances depending on my opponent. Guess it’s the same for you too.
thanks for watching!
I really like the Muay Thai stance but the mma stance is more realistic for a street fight scenario and obviously mixed martial arts.
cheers!
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@@briannodwll5423 why do mma groupies always talk about "street fights" but say using weapons is for pussies?
people get shot and stabbed in street fights and you groupies swear a stance will save you.
@@briannodwll5423 meeting at the back of the baseball field after school isnt a street fight sonny. sorry to break it to you.
@@IronMikeyT I live in a place called the north end, winnipeg. Lots of violence and drugs, cops very racist to natives. Idk where u come from but here ur destined to street fight. There's free boxing places to learn to fight. I don't like street fighting cuz anything goes. I avoid it as much as I can but almost every month I'm fighting outside. I just got kicked out of school for fighting and getting charged. Ur to use to talking, u never had to fight for ur life so stop talking. I'll smack u around.
Your low kicks are a thing of beauty!
thank you!!
Great breakdown! Also nice Saenchai style footwork starting at 5:06 lol
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I would love to see more Muay Thai influenced sparring videos
can definitely do that!
Hey Jeff! I’m a big fan of your videos and recently subscribed to your channel, I’m looking to improve on my own training and one thing I’ve found to be crucial is the ability to balance hard, high intensity training sessions or days with lighters ones and rest to avoid injury and improve recovery. Are there any tips or pieces of advice you can give on this subject? I would love to know
Hey Alexis, I try to push my body to 80% every session, but nothing above unless im in fight camp or something, so that I can train and feel motivated everyday!
Great vídeo!
I'd like to see you try the Muay Thai stance again but fighting someone trying to set up takedowns on you. See if you can still sprawl and stuff the takedowns, or get back up quickly enough to still use the Muay Thai stance effectively in the spar
I generally mix it up in class. When I'm figuring out my partner and working defense, I stay in my Muay Thai stance often. Also I fall back on it when I get tired. When I move in and circle, it's generally a hybrid. When I throw combos, the stance changes pretty organically to a more "MMA" style stance
cheers!
I like using the Muay Thai stance against less experienced grapplers or if the rules are more kickboxing style and not MMA. However, I use the MMA stance for MMA or when sparring wrestlers. I like seeing you mix and match styles when I watch your videos though you have very good transition work I've noticed!
sweet!
Definitely the MMA Stance my bro. Love that slick and smooth movement 🔥🥊🔥
thx jaycee!
Hi Jeff great video once again.
How about this follow up:
"Witch stance should i use based on my opponent's style"
good idea! thanks bro!
I like that idea
Sweet idea i wanna see that too!!
@@MMAShredded would love to see that
Personal preference for everyone based on comments. I had an instructor who was a mma fighter, and always wanted me in that stance. It was never for me, so I always stayed up high. It never felt comfortable to keep myself low at punching height.
cheers!
I like MMA stance. You know Jeff. I inspired you and changed my stance since from the last year..
Thanks bro as always...🙏
thanks brother :) glad to hear!
Hahaha, amazing promo!
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Hehe thanks !
Was that a superman punch faint at 2:47 to 2:30. It looked awkward as hell lol big fan of the channel, love the content. In no way am I trying to disrespect you. Please keep doing what your doing
Definitely the mma stance. It helps to circle arround more and be able to hit or enter opponents perimeter more and get out easier. 👍
cheers!!
first try muay Thai heard about petr yan , gane ufc fighters both are muay Thai fighters and pretty wuick
Muay Thai fighters can also be insanely evasive as seeing by the top level Femeus
@@zenjigaming3342 so if I was competing in mma would you recommend also training in the muay thai stance? Do you feel it would help me develop better kicks/knees that I can then transfer over to my mma stance?
@@Idk-dr6dk gane , petr yan, Valentina all are muay thai fighters in UFC snd i don't see any problem in their kicks. you can create your own stance which is comfortable for u no need to be in specific stance
Great vid, thanks jeff! There's an editing mishap at 1:30 though, I'm sure you can fix that easily enough. Sounds like a sound clip is doubled and has delay.
ahh shoot I dont know what I did there... thanks for pointing it out though!
Not too big of a deal.
You don't need a MT stance to teep or kick catch, and you don't need a wide MMA stance for take down defense. A less wide, evenly weighted "MMA stance" gains the benefits of both. You can easily shift your weight from leg to leg, or "float" on one leg (remove the weight from one leg without shifting weight for a quick teep/guard). You can also move in all directions easily as your weight is evenly distributed on both feet, so you don't need to shift weight to move. And if a take down attempt is made you can still sprawl easily.
Saenchai and Lerdsila's stances are that of a hybrid between Muay Thai and MMA stances. No wonder they are the most evasive Muay Thai fighters tjhrough fantastic head movement and footwork. Their stances and fighting style would work very well for MMA and/or street fighting!
Yes, normally the best Muay Thai fighter are those who knows how to box, and have good head movements, good hands and nice footwork, look at somrak( probably the best head movements in Muay Thai) or Samart best pfp, please search those dudes
I have always alternated between stances, as with my guard placement, being constantly elusive.
If I were to say I preferred any of them, it would be the Muay Thai stance, as I have a highly developed teep and front leg kicks, and I am better at defending the legs from there. I also develop much power lunging forward off the back leg with the front leg light like that.
But I will always switch.
( I also switch between squaring my feet up and using my hands, or lining them up sideways and using kicks, at times, for the extra speed and evasive ability that doing so lends to the usage of either of those [ punches and kicks] respectively.
[ Much like many Karateka do] ).
sweet!
We like see you use all of them. Jeff there is a time and place for each one. Is it possible to use both at same time? Stand square but use bladed and heal toe angle stance to attack and defend as strategy?
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Thanks bro!
Thanks mann!
Beautiful sparring.
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Bladed when facing a puncher or a guy who goes for low takedowns, squared and narrow when facing a kicker or a clincher. Regardless of the stance pop the jab and teep frequently and stay balanced :)
I like something somewhere in the middle. My first coach taught Dutch style kickboxing/mma
I personally really like the shorter stance, and I love clinch work, so I use that to compliment its weaknesses. I still use a wider stance a lot though, as do a lot of muay thai/kickboxing fighters. I just know, when take downs aren't a constant threat, you better be ready to check a kick.
cheers!
@@MMAShredded always love the vids my man 👌
It’s good to have multiple dispositions and looks for your opponent like tenshin nasakawa
cheers!
mma stance is also super open to calf kicks though on the lead leg . Really have to switch it up according to the opponents game plan.
true!
In my muay thai gym my coach prefers stance that is more like the mma stance in this video bc it’s easier to move and strike and also your back leg is always ready to fire
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thanks bro, miss you!
Hey Jeff, in your muay thai stance, i think you don't use your knee enough and that's why he's able to change level and close in.
It's not really a question of stance but timing with the knee to the body. Knee to the body is used most of the time, especially for tanks opponents wanting to go in fight.
But for sure, i understand you are much more mobile with your mma stance (mostly because you are light, young and fast :) )
Anyway, thanks again for your awesome content. Always a pleasure to hear from you.
cheers bro!!
Jeff, I love your vids, man. To answer your question, of course as any educated fighter would tell you, switch it up. Use both. There’s a time to utilize both stances, and as you pointed out, both have their benefits and their flaws. You already mix it up well. You seem to have switched back to the Muay Thai stance at the end of the video. I like to see that. I use a mixture of the two. I guess mine would be considered an MMA stance, but I refuse to stand bladed. I hate the blades stance. It doesn’t feel conducive or natural to me. That’s just my preference and my style I’ve adopted. After watching your vids, you’ve certainly adopted a very beautiful style of your own and I dig it. Btw, I’ve totally stolen a few of your techniques and used them in sparring. Absolute gold. Keep making your videos. They are pure inspiration. 🙏🏽🥊🔥🔥
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Hahaha that cross double step low kick is a classic by now
haha love it!!
I was about to say,that mma stance looks a lot more my boxing stance.Like you said,helps you get in and out(or in my case just in lol),and gives you more power
cheers!
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Low bladed stance for me because of my boxing I do use the Muay Thai stance every often though and practice with it
Nice double roundhouse at 4:34. I know it's not a high percentage move but it's fun isn't it? The way the first kick kinda bounces back to load into a more powerful second kick.
definitely fun! haha
Do you ever utilize a karate stance for any set ups or blend in with other stances? Great video! Thank you 🙏💯🔥
yes ive been trying to incorporate karate style/stance into my "mma" stance/style!
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I want to see how you mix both stances please do it .
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There is no one stance,you have to adapt to situation. Its not the strongest one that survives,nor the smartest one but the one who can adapt to change.
Switching fighting style hmmm thats quite interesting
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Jeff, you went from Muay Thai to Dutch Kickboxing. Great choice. Kept your guard, increased your punching agility. Right?
I love Muay Thai stance, practice throwing leg and roundhouse variations at 200+ kicks a day and you can end a fight with a bone shattering kick
cheers!
So if I train mma would you recommend doing some muay thai only rounds on the bag every time I train to form more stretchability and power in my kicks? And do you think those benefits would transfer over even if im in my mma stance? If so how would you recommend going about the kick repetitions? Do you separate those 200 kicks between leg, body, head or do you just throw them to one spot?
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thanks man!!
i like using a thai stance if i feel like the person is a bit straight forward aggressive and like using teeps to open them up/get them baiting on teep feints. long guard when i feel like i'm a bit quicker than them and if they're larger than me and try and use dodge/parrying more and a traditional high guard stance as a base.
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Hey Jeff (or others), quick question: what do you think of instead of dodging or muay thai style checking leg kicks, putting weight on you leg and kinda lean into the kick. I think this is what causes a lot of the recent leg breaks in mma off calve kicks and in general it doesnt hurt so bad to eat a kick when you tense your tigh muscle. My coach prefers this kind of checking over lifting your leg because of the balance/takedown issue with lifting and when you pull away from the kick but the foot scrapes behind the knee it can cause the leg to give out.
yes ill do that as a last resort, if I dont see the kick coming , I will eat it and punch!
I think it's worthwhile to mention that there is no fixed MMA stance per se. People make a variety of different stances work. But obviously given the plethora of potential things you have to deal with in the cage this is pretty much the textbook MMA stance
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For Sanda, a wider stance is a little bit better because it's easier for in and out movements and also is better to defend takedowns, I tried to use the muay thai stance when I was training only kickboxing, but it's weird for me, I'm not that good using lead leg teeps and I can focus better on the fight when I'm light on my feet
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I like to modify my stance depending on who I’m fighting. If I know I’m going to use a division one wrestler I’ll keep my hands low and my feet far apart. If I’m fighting an A class fighter from Thailand I keep my leg angled so I can check kicks. It’s completely situational to my opponent.
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I feel like everyone should approach it that way it’s good to keep in mind when you don’t have a set style to just be more versatile instead
Ok, I always wondered about some of the strengths and weaknesses of the muay thai stance and teeping.
cheers!!
Since it's not your primary stance I'd like to see you use the muay thai stance a little more. I seen that even in your muay thai stance you still revert back to your MMA stance.
I was/am currently taught to stay 50/50 in my muay thai stance, at my gym we do change the distribution for checking and what not but its not the default/main stance distribution. I'm probably wrong lol, but I feel like maybe your muaythai stance feels better defensively than offensively because your stance is back heavy more often than it could be.
That's common. Muay Thai still has the traditional stance for a defensive posture but many fighters use a more balanced stance too
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Jeff I've always wondered about this. Like you said about how more skilled Muay Thai fighters could utilise more techniques effectively. Like if someone, for a lack of a better word "mastered" the Thai stance, the ability to catch kicks and sweep people off balance are such valuable tools that Thai fighters make look so easy even against other highly skilled Muay Thai fighters. You see how Saenchai literally toys with people. We have still yet to see someone that high of skill set at the highest level in MMA imo. I know a few have crossed over in ONE. Dejdamarong and Stamp. But Dej doesn't use that stance I've noticed. Stamp definitely comes the closest and is the more impressive so far. Rafael Fiziev is one of my personal favourites too. Would you agree though in saying that we still haven't seen the highest caliber Muay Thai completely utilised in the highest level of MMA? Also Jeff what do you think about the Rodtang Vs DJ fight. Would love to see you make a video about it. Keep up the great work.
Hey! I think Petr Yan is killing it with the Muay Thai stance in MMA and a few others. As for that fight, I think DJ is going to win. Rodtang is a beast but I think DJ should be able to last long enough to get into the MMA rounds, take Rodtang down and do a lot of damage. I don't think Rodtang has any ground experience? whereas DJ is still a phenomenal striker.