What Should You Do When Your Opponent Switches Stances?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 6 พ.ค. 2023
- Early on it can be tempting to switch stances. There are lots of false positives that come when two beginner or intermediate practitioners spar and one of them switches stances.
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"See his little southpaw brain that took a second to compute that"
- Icy Mike, on not digging into southpaws
Whoopsie
@@hard2hurtit’s ok lol they deserve it
I was so hoping i was right, I always learned that when someone switches stances you should attack in 5th gear immediatly and show that life sucks in a different stance aswell.
Immediately even feels too slow sometimes.
@@hard2hurt 🤣
So what's faster then immediately? Instantaneous perhaps?
Wow, such a horrible word to write for a non native English speaker...
@@martijnoerlemans765 Lightspeed
"Southpaws have rights too"
🤣🤣🤣
I almost missed part of that joke until I saw you had it typed out, and I could read it. That's pretty good.
I hit them with alot of leg kicks and make them switch back
I just hit them a lot till they fall down.
If they’re in an open stance it REALLY opens up body kicks too
@@Kurnhelios that is true i forgot about that
No ones figured out to check and jab?
Yeah double/triple lead lowkick to their lead leg works amazing. Just spam the shit out of it
This is excellent
Thanks, Uncle Chael!
We all know you been watching since that "Chael Sonnen is wrong about Ben Askren vs Jake Paul" video 😂
Hi
yeah this is true. I'm orthodox and 90% of the time the guys I've sparred with are southpaws so I've had a fair amount of practice with open stance fighting. Here is a short list of things I've learned: (1) step with the jab most of the time. whenever I jab I always step my foot to the outside as I'm jabbing as then my opponent will be on defense allowing me to have the outside foot position a lot of the time. and if i can't get the foot to the outside i'll just circle far to the inside then when they turn to face me I'll immediately switch directions and go to outside fast while jabbing 2 or 3 times which gets me far to the outside position. (2) don't play the hand fighting game with the lead hands. I used to do this but now I just keep my hands glued to my face and let them try and hit me so I can slip and counter or block and counter, etc. the hand fighting game can be good but it keeps you both at a distance out of range where neither of you can reach with good hits without creating angles, etc, but if you don't hand fight you can get close allowing you to do things like slip the jab and land a hook to the body which wouldn't be possible if both fighters have their lead hand extended and do the hand fighting game as you're miles out of range. (3) it's ok to do more with your rear hand in open stance. what i mean by that is if the opponent has the outside foot position and throws a cross then why not pull down the cross with your rear hand and come over the top with your own cross. Muhammad Ali did something like this against Southpaws and it works great.
Starts by saying he won't come after Southpaws, then goes after Southpaws.
Come out to Chicago! Love the content.
My internalized prejudice comes out occasionally.
Very useful given how much stance switching occurred at the ufc yesterday
There were instances of the advanced stance switch we talked about, and also several instances of guys getting hyper aggressive in response to stance switches.
Belal's constant switching was crazy
In wrestling, you generally put your strong leg as your lead. In striking, you generally have it as your rear leg. A lot of things change when you apply them to MMA, which is closest to an actual fight.
I liked the "this is for people at intermediate/beginner level who switch stances" disclaimer. I've trained both stances since I started martial arts, like 14 years ago. I switch all the time, usually to gain distance quick. A long step that's bringing whatever attack feels right in the moment. I think it's a pretty good skill to have
absolutely agree. I like to switch stance to southpaw and right away switch back to regular stand. While moving smootly away from opponent. It allows to gain distance very quick. And if we combine it with head movement - then it is one of the most efficient defence I can think of.
one thing I'd like to add is in kickboxing people will sometimes switch stances because their front leg has taken too many low kicks and they don't wanna take any more (done this myself too), the problem with this is that their back leg is less used to taking kicks and in their worse stance they will be worse at blocking them too most likely so if someone switches right after a lowkick it's probably a sign to throw even more lowkicks.
Yea! I done that too, but it's usually the guy who is losing doing it, and it's just a matter of time before the other leg got chopped down too😢
@@liewalan1997 yeah I did not win that match.
That was hy our coach made sure we had equal abuse time on both legs
as a guy comming from TKD, when my MMA trainer started talking about south paw and orthodox I was completely lost since we have to be as good with both legs because when we kick with the rear leg, we put it in front to not open ourselves to free counter and sudenly our rear leg is our lead leg and vice versa.
i was already confused by most of boxing so I asked him to just teach as open and close stance
I came from another kick heavy martial art and transitioned out to mma and boxing. The ability to stance switch didn’t hurt me, but “stance switching” really didn’t result in many advantages unless I could tell an opponent was fixating on one particular attack that I can take away by opening the stance up.
@@yewknight it often comes down to the fact that they take a predictable step after you create distance or take away distance
and open stance is quite bad for a hand focused person as the distance is closer to be able to punch with the rear arm while for kicks if your lead leg doesnt suck, open/ close stance doesn't really affect the distance
This advice is pure gold. I am definitely gonna try this out.
A lot of karatekas are "nasty stance switchers"... Mostly because they do aggressive stance switching as part of the blitz.
Good show mate
Yes, more stance switching content please 🙏🏽. Finally joined a gym after years of "self training" I love switching stances it just comes natural to me. I love to have both stances as equal as possible in all aspects sometimes I sacrifice my right overhand for a stiffer jab with my right when I switch and try finding openings off the stance switch before I make the switch. Im just blabbering now so ima shut up but I love your channel man literally learned like 70% of what I know through here. If I ever actually get to the big times you're the first im shouting out 😂
Fighting someone better than you is more fun.
Sparring someone newer than you is more lesrning oriented, i agree with you on that for sure
Very topical Mike!
I watch hard2hurt since 2020 and till now never bored!
His pre-2020 stuff is good too.
LOL! Great video! Some people switch stances trying to get new angles. Couple of taps and they switch back! LOL
Nice vid Mike
Hey mike, could you make a video on how to get in for infighting in MMA? I'm 187 cm but I'm a heavyweight, so I'm kinda short for the category. So i like to get in and do some infighting and clinching on the feet, but getting in is the hardest part, especially considering kicks. I'm sure you could help me!
Yeah, I can definitely feel my defense lacking in a switched stance just by the defensive maneuvering feeling more unnatural to do.
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Icy Mike _The Bi-Stancual_ Southpaw Killa 😂
I switch stances alot and I can fight pretty well in southpaw but one thing that fkes me up is when somebody leg kicks my right leg, I don’t have the same conditioning so usually after 4-5 hard leg kicks my right leg is done
Jakes toney used the philly shell just fine against southpaws, you just have to modify it a little bit. Its a lot better if you keep the inside foot and shoulder roll the lead hand instead of the rear
Whenever one of my opponents switches to a southpaw, I usually counter with the glock 19 in my pocket
You should make an instructor or coaches program or seminar. Teach more trainers to be more awesome like you.
what do you think about like "switch hitting" like when you shift stances are you're throwing combos or moving forward to close the distance? is that something beginner-intermediate levels should work on, or hold off onto mastering the basics?
Done right switch hitting increase power. Tyson' 22 video, that kicked off the stupid IG seitch stance footwork spam, is actually a really good example of doingbit right and why.
Just sidekick, Mike……
I also switch stances and beat them on their own game
(I can't fight)
If you switch stances... you can't beat them at their own game. Their game required you to be in the other stance... smh
Brilliant I will do just that
what you said about defence hits hard - i spent 20 years learning how to attack in kung-fu - we even did a fair bit of sparring - but we almost never practised defence - maybe 5% of the time ... i learnt more about defence in 1-lesson of kickboxing - than i learnt in a year of kung-fu...
“Southpaws have rights too” glad to hear you’ve had a change of heart 🤣
I practice both stances mainly orthodox though. I use southpaw when i have to try and cut an angle or to address a really aggresive fighter to get openings
As mentioned in the video you'd better drill this a hell of a lot with guys less experienced than you (or maybe not so). I feel that this would work fairly well at an amateur level. Going to higher levels you need to look at your natural advantages i.e. height, leverage, physicality etc. and ingrain your fundamentals in a manner that you would be able to best exploit your opponent at almost any given moment. Basically how you'd expand your toolbox more or less. And tactics/ drills like these can't be mutually exclusive to the former statement, otherwise you can get outworked by anyone who has more experience or has been developed more staunchly with what they're mostly naturally good at.
I like starting out with a strong side lead instead of switching into it to change things up. My reasoning is I want to throw my precise and solid punches early and often. And then I like to switch to orthodox so that my strong hand is back and I can bide and wait to throw my power shots with my right when the fight slows down at the end of the round when both of us are more tired. My powers shots from my left suck big time, so it doesn't make sense for me to stay with my right forward. So people that I used to spar with will catch on that I only like to throw with my right haha and will only show and pitty pat with my left.
Since I don't spar at all now, I feel more confident starting with my right hand forward and I'm better at getting my shots to land with my right closer. I think the old boxing movie cliche of "switching to south paw" to change the momentum of the fight is just a movie cliche and might only really work if the opponent really is not paying attention because of stamina issues or they've been rocked and not in a mindset to make adjustments-- cuz it's just creating a new angle of attack.
Although in MMA, I think it's really great to be able to be ambidextrous and have more attack angles-- in the same way that it's good for basketball players to be able to shoot and dribble with both hands. You really have to practice being disciplined with your defensive guard and footwork, because early on as you switch you will get hit a lot and miss seeing things and mess up with the feet
To be able to fight with either hand forward builds a good mind-body-space-vision connection, I feel. Also something low key and underrated is that when you do switch to your less dominant stance it does change your depth perception especially when judging what's coming at you from your peripheral vision. I was told it's because in addition to having a dominant hand, humans also tend to have a dominant eye
As someone who likes to switch stances, i like to negate these by only switching for a reason and not staying in either stance to long, I basically just commit to switching or one
As a karateka, I find curious how begginer and intermediate Muay Thai fighters have this issue with stances and distance management, 'cuz in karate we're used to switch stances constantly to be dinamic and to confuse the opponent so he/she is drawn in to suffer a counter-attack.
Lol... ok
I mean ofcourse you don't have problems doing it since you don't actually really defend against anything its always footwork which is really good untill you get into the ropes or just pressured by lots of punches, which you don't have in your sport (Point in the video being usually its the defense that sux in your non-natural stance, meaning hand guarding headmovement etc)
@Jeremias Outinen Well said, I agree! As a matter of fact, everyone who studies martial arts can perceive that the sport of Olympic Karate and its rules shaved off MUCH of the art of karate, both in aggression and in a variety of strikes allowed (we're not allowed to throw hooks and uppercuts, man, that sux! we can only use "jabs and straights").
But, regardless of this, in my dojo, we do a lot of pressure training, which defensive techniques result in rapid circular movements around the opponent, quick parries, and counter strikes. So we must be equally agile, to move, defend, and attack in both stances.
Of course, this is no easy task to beginners or intermediates.
@@hard2hurt speaking as a Kyokushin karate guy... he's not speaking for me. Switching stances in pure Karate is a different animal altogether since you're defending against different things.
didn't think I'd ever do this but
FIRSTTT!!!
awww... not too bad for your first try... but not quite there, buddy.
aww dang it
9:58 the way I see it is the people who are better than you are good to practice the things you're good at because they will expose the holes you need to clean up and the people who are worse than you are good to practice new stuff or stuff you're not good at yet because you can afford to do it without feeling like it doesn't work at all.
I have the sneaking suspicion that Mike has been tuned up by a couple of southpaw fighters in his life.
What do you think about stance switching in peek-a-boo? I guess that falls into your points about stance switching at higher levels for purposeful offense?
I switch to use a stronger jab to defeat their block then push into their guard. It’s a pretty specific technique and I come out of it just as fast
What I got from that is if I ever visit Mike's gym and someone switches stances on me, it's because they think I suck. That's okay.
Watch out for the illusive Inego Montoya.
as an ortho dude that got trained by a southpaw, it took me years before my southpaw was good enough to be effective.
But damn is it effective.
Rear roundhouse across the body is my go to
I switched in front of a dude yesterday and he immediately blasted me with a body kick. It sucked. I didn't set it up or anything, I just randomly switched.
A guy switching stance is more often him being confused than him trying to confuse his opponent. 😂
Is that bad if you dont know your stance? :D Not my case anymore, but I was confused as I did lot of swordfighting before my MT and MMA experience so I was kinda used to do both. Now i know im orthodox but my southpaw jab isnt half bad and some kicks also works well from there, switchkicks are great too but you were totally on spot with defense.
Got a question is it better to bulk up in size for self defense? For example if u get 2 fighters the same exact skill level than each other but 1 is 30lbs heavier. The bigger one would have the advantage for the most part?
Self defense is better to improve running. Staying to fight is always a worst idea.
Technically yes... All other things being equal the bigger fighter will usually win.
Saber fighter here. Any melee hand weapon's fighter worth his salt is going to fight southpaw. It's the superior footwork scheme for managing distance.
Serious question, where do you get the purple a green shorts from?
Can you use the switch stance to counter?
Stance changing is ober rated. It is a by product of kicking in kickboxing, and in boxing should only be down to power hits.
I like the content on psychic attacks.
counterstrike before they settle in their new stance - them changing stance is the signal to attack - won me a lot of fights all over
I switch stances to close distance, and I don't use it for more than a few strikes to make it back to southpaw.
I was gonna make a joke about this being icy Mike's game plan against mighty mouse and he cut me off at the pass lol
Yo mike i was wondering about the efficacy of just sending a lead hook to the body when someone switches to South paw without a set up. I had a guy warn me that i would get liver punched when i used to do that lol
Build a defense foundation first then.
Unless he is lightning fast, that lead hook is just bait
Open stance hook kick to the nutz. Noone will see that coming
You couldn’t have posted this yesterday for Gilbert Burns to see it before fighting Belal? Smh icy mike
Just like in fighting games, it's kind of funny seeing someone flounder on P2 side since they're always used to being on the left
Whats your history/credentials, Mike? I would like to learn more about your background.
That switch at 7:30 though!
I got fast feet baby
I like to switch to southpaw sometimes cause i am right handed, but left footed and i kinda don't like to always use my front leg. Any advice for those people like me?
Seems like a good idea for you to stay orthodox. Front kicks are the bread and butter of kicks, plus your leg kicks are gonna be scarier and faster. Kicks to the liver become easier as well.
Id just use the other leg for low kicks and feints.
Im a right handed southpaw because i feel more comfortable this way and i value lead punches a lot.
"Southpaws have rights too!" Lol
If this happens I believe Bobby Hill had the solution. Loudly yell "thats not your purse, I don't know you!", and in the moment your opponent is confused act accordingly.
Kickboxing muaythai now for almost 2 years and the only time I do southpaw is when I pressure enough my opponent and they respected my strikes especially when in the pocket. In fact when I'm in range and suddenly switch to southpaw lmao I'm doomed😂
Southpaw have rights is a good shirt lol
Or that little interesting thing that happens when you switch stances in front of someone.. they then try to switch themselves
Don't understand why it happens but ive seen it a bunch of times especially southpaw fighters in sparring
Switching stances is the dark arts!
Find center line
Cool video but can i just say the revgear s5s look sexy
The part on going with the guys who suck/ the new guys in your less prefered stance is something i had drilled into me very early in my 10 years of training, any time we are running drills or something i'll just switch and practice . Never understood why people only train in one stance and neglect the other.
You should work on your less preferred stance but giving up you jab is kind of a big thing. A reason why I wouldn't mind giving up my jab is if my jab is not getting good value in that case me not being able to jab doesn't matter that much.
I'm reminded of Henry Cejudo catching TJ Dillashaw mid-shift which lead to him winning the fight.
Right-handed yet left-footed. I fight in a southpaw stance. Am I wrong to do this?
Definitely.
No
I've stayed southpaw, regardless, it just feels more natural, to me.
Southpaw, south Jersey.
"Southpaws have rights too" thanks for standing up for southpaws mike
Its only happened a few times but I would just also switch ny stance, then they get uncomfortable and switch back 😂
1:46
Dude my lead is so much more useful when Im southpa
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Switch just take him to ground. N pound 101 sweep the leg watch out for the uppercut 😊
Drinking Game:
Take a shot every time Mike says "So too" or "Immediate". You won't remember the end of the video.
I love the advice. I realized a long time ago that i learn better going against people that are not as skilled. I then cement those techniques going against my level or better. But its way easier to get live reps in if the other guy isnt as good
Clobbering the dude is not the only way to beat a South paw
His range is different than yours
You as an Orthodox are dangerous if you're veering right
You're vulnerable if you're veering left
That's easy. Take the initiative and pummel them. It's extremely rare to face a well trained fighter in both stances. He just put himself in a disadvantage.
Or he just fires switchkick :D
be like water, my friend - some guy...
Marvelous Marvin Hagler
I blast them with a combo because usually their defense isnt as good in southpaw
And go RIGHT AWAY
Am right handed but better at southpaw. Your left get better overtime
Imagine next sparring he switches to orthodox and you know, you are a guy that sucks 😂😂😂
The simple answer is... You still beat the shit out of them
Rules are meant to be broken.
Or you can be a crazy wrestler like me and blast a double
I switch fight constantly. ❤ I decide when to switch, seeing how my opponent starts the fight. If he starts right I start southpaw. If he starts southpaw I will start on the right and switch to southpaw to shake things up. Been doing this since the 80s. Its a great way to disturb any fighter with a one sided rhythm. Great vid as always. 🤙🤙🤙
"southpaws have rights too"
just tell them to switch back
I'm gonna start trying that
I throw a head kick just to confuse them a bit not to land its righr cross and hook that follows works every time coz they are not expecting it
Lol didn’t you know its one of the Ten Commandments, thou shalt not switch stances.