The CORRECT Fighting Stance: Foot, Body and Hand Placement
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Question for Viewers: What kind of stance do you use? Why?
Karate stance to ugly square weight on back foot to jag front leg for defence and kind of checking kicks. Having said so, I am a pathetic fighter :-)
A squared up stance, because I like to have power in my punches, although I also use the one where my legs are in a bladed position and my upper body is squared up, because I think it makes me more mobile :)
More of a kickboxing stance to use the heavy hands and be able to follow with different kicks when needed. Great job here, good to hear someone using common sense, which is rare nowadays :D
Depends on the situation🤔
Long range = "Karate stance"
Close/Medium range = Boxing(square) stance. Still having trouble switching between both tho
I do WTF Taekwondo and I just wanted to see if you could give me some tips on something, so in WTF rules there’s no punches to the face or leg kicks. I’m pretty flexible and powerful and know a good enough amount of techniques that should work during sparring but I find it hard sometimes to pass the guard of the opponent because of the limited targets. I usually end up kicking elbows while trying to go for the head or my spinning attacks are read easily. Any tips on how to get more accurate in my sport?
'Approach everything with an open mind. The moment you stop learning is the moment you begin to lose.'
I agree👍 Once we tell ourselves that we "get it", we tend to decay.
💯
Yes yes 👏 thank you
Everyone is looking for the one perfect thing that will always work. In reality all this shit goes together. Nothing works all the time
Exactly. Different fighter, different technique. That simple.
Except for sex panther, which works every time, 60% of the time.
It's like when Silva front kicked him in the face. That NEVER worked. Until that time it worked
"I can win every fight without ever training just using one simple trick. "
if you scream at the guy that you have AIDS then start crabwalking toward him like a schizo while making gorilla sounds that will at least work like 99% of the time
"Fighting is more like basketball than soccer. The other team is gonna score points, you are gonna get hit, you are not gonna shut them out." So well said!
Thanks
Wow Bruce Lees philosophy of “Be water my friend” really applies for this subject
you put water into a thai ring, it becomes the ring. You put water into an mma cage, it becomes the cage. You put water into a street pavement, it becomes the pavement.
Brandon his whole fighting philosophy ; really
Wadocan you forgot the best part be water my friend 💦
Wadocan lmao. funny. But the whole meaning behind it, which is to adapt is correct and the best mentality for both fights and life in general.
Be orange juice
This channel is so honest it’s almost unproductive 😂😂
Hahaha I'm in my own way.
lmao that's actually a deep dilema about teaching anything
I practice MMA so basically, you're telling me to constantly mix it up (adjust) depending on my enemy... GOT IT!
Or make him adjust to you
@@hard2hurt yep control the fight and pace I love seeing two fighters who are tactical and cerebral in battle
Expand your tool box go out of your comfort zone occasionally but still sharpening your greatest tools daily if it ain't broke dont fix it adapt your strategy not necessarily your technique or form you can have best jab in the world but if not properly utilizing it it won't work which will give far more opportunity and chance for your opponent to overcome and adapt to you
If you go outside you'll get hit by a car, if you stay indoors you'll get shot by a robber.
Exactly
Well put.
if you sleep a ghost will sit on your face
@@BootyBot kinky
Thats why you shouldn't waste your time trying to learn how to fight just build a pipe bomb, nobody can out box a pipe bomb.
The spinning bullsh*t kick is my favorite kick though :(
Me too
Joe Rogan: Knee up first.
same buddy
There's thousands of hours of people fighting, but zero hours of effective Aikido...
Yep
Dammit you had to say it
I don't want to cast aspersions but aikido is about as effective as Jake Mace's self defense techniques
@@jamesrowlands1943 oh dear god i couldve forgotten about him if you hadnt said that 😂
@Mega Police Since you remember him now. Go watch Master Ken Goof on him. 😂👌
This is why I love this channel. Be like water. No way, is the way.
I'm more like orange juice
I would give anything to train with you. You know what is up. Everything you say makes practical sense.
Would you give up 3 of your limbs for that?
Same here.
@@fabooshka I would not, but if I gave them up and could train with Mike, I would probably fight better than with all limbs intact
@@redactedcanceledcensored6890 that is what I thought as well lol one leg wonder like jump spin drop kicking everyone like one punch man except it's one single kick that annihilates everyone
You probably just have to give up a set amount of dollars on the 1st of every month
So its like chess basically theres a million options.
Eleventy million
Yes and no it appears that way but you know in chess that if you don't protect certain pieces early in the game you'll lose them fairly quickly making rest of game if you last much much harder there is still general principles in chess openings if violated are very bad but often genius chess players get away with it as a amateur fighter it's better to stick to the fundamentals until you are adept or adequately more skilled then your opponent is you canteen make more risky moves because you feel that he is unable to capitalize on them that goes for boxing and chess
I literally love the user name hard to hurt cause thats exactly the objective and as you become harder to hurt your options open up more and more you become more fearless and can really begin to freely experiment with different ways that is part Ithink the most important part of training in any style or system
More like the game "go".
Like chess in the way that there is no 'one size fits all'. There are multiple situations you need to be able to recognize. At certain moments it changes from abstract and open to interpretation to very concrete where the slightest inaccuracy can be exploited.
Totally agree. Nobody has the same stance. Hell look at Conor's, head straight up, hands relatively low... He's doing everything "wrong".... Seems to work pretty good for him tho lol.
even more so he changes his stance a lot. in some fights he uses bladed stance, in some boxing stance with very little chances in guard, sometimes hes flat footed, sometimes moves a lot, sometimes high guard, sometimes lower guard. he always changes his stance depending on what he wants to do. box or kick, counter or attack
So refreshing to hear this kind of attitude. For years I’d been told by so many people that my stance wasn’t "correct". I employ tested stances but work my own as its suits me. As you say, fortunately I have an instructor that gives an actual shit about people so we often debate and try different stuff.
Keep it up Icy Mike, love your shit.
Glad you have a good instructor to look out for you
T Pose at your opponent
Then draw a loading screen that says factory reset please wait
That is forbidden
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I actually incorporate many of the advice in your videos and have notice my striking has become alot better.
That is really cool to hear.
Everytime someone says side kicks don't work a Stephan "Wonderboy" Thompson loses his wings.
Jon Bones Jones uses them constantly too. Those and the oblique kick.
@@jeremyjameslatham5094 I may be wrong but I think Icy Mike means from a self defense standpoint
"Side kicks dont work"
"Send me location" ~ Wonderboy
@@Krishna135ful 🤣🤣
@@RippleshanksI think so too, which makes it even funnier to me.
1:45 Sidekicks do work Shane, sidekicks do work. I know you're watching this ;)
Poor guy. He will be heartbroken.
@@hard2hurt countless examples of sidekicks working in combat sports, fight-ending examples. Why you take this stance on this particular kick?
or is it troll, for fun?
@@groundedtruth1358 him and a few other martial arts youtubers troll the actual people who say side kicks don't work. They believe they do and know a lot of the examples you're talking about.
Grounded Truth holly holm is a great example and that’s in a sport where takedowns are a thing
Love your videos man, being a practitioner of multiple martial arts my whole life, I love that you don't tell people what they think they want to hear. You gotta be able to adapt. Keep keeping it real brother. ✌🏽❤
Such a honest and realistic guy. Thank you for these videos!
I recently started practicing Hema (historical European martial arts), and part of it is switching your guards to limit your opponent’s options. There’s not only one thing that works because your opponent can do more than one thing to you
like savate?
@@kareeme2624 HEMA is incorporates weapons. Longsword, side sword, arming sword, dagger, spear, etc. Each from different traditions. It’s like less defanged fencing
I always tell my students I'm going to give you a few basic rules or guidelines . Then once you understand them I'll teach you how to break them
I've now watched a number of your videos and I have to say your approach to the topics you cover is most authentic and real than anyone else I have viewed. Great job!
Authentic and real are the two biggest compliments you can give a youtuber thank you.
It's so refreshing to hear this view on the square stance. I've always been able to throw more powerful punches when in that position, and yet so many martial arts coaches (many on TH-cam) have effectively been telling me I should turn my chest at 45 degrees and reduce my punching power.
One of your best videos yet. This is what's wrong with most gyms. Stunted growth to get you to conform to a system.
Well people are close minded usually
Great video. Fights are a dynamic situation. Learn, adapt and counter.
Thanks, Mike
Dynamic is one way to put it
Thank you for the clarity in this video. I have been driving myself crazy going from Is taekwondo to now a muay thai stance.
Bro this video was a big help, was trying to figure out a stance that would be perfect for me. Answer was basically in my face just to stuck on trying to copy what I was seeing. Adjust and adapt is so true. Thanks .
Hard2hurt: "Sidekicks don't work"
UFC Champion Steven "Wonderboy" Thompson: "Hold my beer."
hart2hurt: *trolls*
J. : and i took that personally
Mike is a big fan of wonderboy it’s just a joke
The fighting to basketball comparison was very insightful coach. I don’t comment on videos often, but your content is very informative.
Hallelujah!!!! Listen to this man. He is absolutely right! Adjust be in the moment. I also love a what if question that is a genuine attempt to learn. What if questions to prove yourself right or another wrong is worthless. Great video!
The more I learn, the more I realize how little I know. Thanks!
That's how it works for intelligent people
There’s a name for this in physiology
Its like this in every subject under the sun. Its a good way to tell that you're getting better early on 😅
I am glad you explained it all this way. I was almost reluctant to come to this video because I was worried you were going to be another narrow minded individual when it comes to technique/ stance/ style. I have trained under several different coaches and many trained for different styles of fighting. But it was always "their way or the highway" and they always tended to not be open to the idea that there were more than just one correct style of fighting. Like I am a very up close style fighter and often work/ fight in the interview stance (45 degree angle away) and on the balls of my feet because my primary back ground was boxing and kick boxing. but my style still has to be adaptive to my competitor's style as well. otherwise I will probably get my butt handed to me. Thank you for explaining it all in such an open minded way.
Really really great insight and advise. Aside from having tendencies and favourite ways to fight, watching footage of me sparring helped me alot. Seeing what works and what not and needs to be "polished"
Yeah watching video of yourself is humbling
I really love the analogy of fighting being more like basketball than soccer .. a great mind set even for more fans to watch with. Awesome content as always!
fLOVE what you're doing. Please don't stop.
I've had the debate with people about squared stance a lot. I'm really short and heavy (think cube) and squared stance just gives me the best overall reach with all my limbs, which is useful against the tall buggers. And they always give me the 'hurr you present target' thing, but then I just keep attacking and it works.
The amusing thing is all of the people who tell you that you are exposing youself never actually aim for the solar plexus regardless.
It's a theoretical vulnerability.
Awesome video I wish every coach would watch this. It's so limiting when they teach us the wrong way like you've described here, counters growth and limits development of personal style. "I cant teach you how to fight, but I can teach you how I fight"
This is one hell of a video. Great editing, great energy.
Indeed a dumb question. Fighting is alway changing so there is no one way solves all. Even your hand work requires foot work for power.
Well said
I think the "BEST" stance is something you discover through time. And you also adjust it during a fight or training session. There are definantly WRONG stances you need to avoid. But the best one is so individual in my opininoin!
This is the best video I've ever seen on stance. 100% correct, Thank you!!! Everything is super subjective and situational. I think Coaches sometimes confuse people when they always take the one size fits all, shotgun approach. 🙏🏽they never say, adjust depending on what's actually happening in real time
This is a great video and a great answer. We always give students a couple of vague rules like, have your guard up and don't have your feet together - so have one foot back and one foot forward. But after that it's up to you. Your length, width, height etc is all up to you. Whatever is most comfortable to you. Not one way fits everyone.
When you switched southpaw for the wrestling stance I started laughing i did a year of boxing and then joined the wrestling team and I was so confused when coach said dominant side forward
Edit "hard check the shit out of it" made me laugh so hard I just love how you said that
Hey mike I've been watching your videos and I appreciate your no-bullshit approach to teaching. I have a video suggestion that I would like to see from you: fighting strategy against someone with a pure wrestling background.
I train Muay Thai and Jiu Jitsu, but never wrestled in school, and I don't get to grapple with wrestlers very often or ever spar with them in an MMA context. So if I were to get in a fight with a wrestler Im not sure what strategy I would go for. Seeing as your channel is mostly self defense focused, and that a lot of Average Joes wrestled in school, it might be a good thing for you to talk about.
Thanks
Nigel Bess I wrestled for my highschool and it helped a lot in a fight but if I were to get you to your back I wouldn’t know what to do besides try and ground and pound so you’d probably want to fight off your back, watch the fist ufc fight with Royce Gracie and ken shamrock, Royce won against a much larger opponent who didn’t know how to fight a full guard
A lot of good info as always. My coach will tell us that blocking is not a static thing and don’t be predictable. I now like to change up my blocks between parrying, high guard, long guard, and some evasions. I let some partners punch so I can practice and get their timing. When comfortable timing them I’ll adopt a more boxing Philly stance and unload counter punches and then straight back to long guard. As a southpaw this seems to work well for me.
One of my favourite videos so far
04:50 damn I was so scared for a second, I was dodging those punches xD
No you weren't
@@thebodykeepsthescore2828 is no fun at parties
@@hard2hurt I am a bit of a party pooper
Ive changed my stance so many times, it really just depends on you and your style. Do you, their will never be another you.
Edit: Also, this video got me to subscribe, its nice to see a rational trainer
Welcome to the squad homie
Great video Icy Mike. One of my favorite that you've done. This video really gives me a lot to consider.
Let me know what you come up with
Man, your videos are just GREAT !
Mike really knows this video is gonna blow up so he did the full “TH-camr” ending hahab
I need to do it every once in a while or else I can't make jokes about not doing it
@@hard2hurt I don't think that was even the reason, but it works. You are the man.
Watch Tyson/Ali. Also, Gus training Mike on movement. MTT: Move the target!!!
You opened my eyes bro, I will try it on the bag thanks
I discovered this channel only recently, and I am trying to watch all the videos, every time I discover at least 5 things I do wrong... for each minute of each video :-D Amazing job and I love the very practical approach in the explanations, which allows everyone to implement immediately some of the great tips and techniques here. Keep it up!
Are you telling us fighting is fluid?! 😱😱😱😱
that is 7% of it. keep going.
MY DAD COULD BEAT UP YOUR DAD
Be like orange juice
@@hard2hurt Give your opponent diabetes?
Mickey Mouse lol that’s actually hilarious
5:15 "If he's leg kicking a lot, maybe don't stand like this, close enough to leg kick you"
This killed me, haven't laughed so hard in a while. Sometimes the answer is so obvious, just hearing someone have to say it out loud is hilarious in itself.
People want things to be complicated
@@hard2hurt Maybe... Or could it be that people want _other people to think_ it's complicated, so their knowledge seems more impressive than it actually is? Just a hunch hahaha
GREAT video!!! Very informative.
I like this video. No bs.... no rambling for 10 mins, promoting channel... nah this guy just told it!
- So what is your preferred stance? Boxer? Thai? Wrestler?
- Yes.
Basically the theme of the channel
I'll just go to the body
with what? kicks? punches? either way you'll be off balance and vulnerable. just making conversation, i'm sure you'd whoop my ass. fun to think about.
The general rule is if someone starts going to your body,you start going to theirs.
Yuck
I learned something new today. Thanks big Dog
I like this explanation. Everything is a trade off.
Hey Mike, ever heard of a man by the name of Stephen Thompson?
Some call him Wonderboy...
His sidekicks work.
"#sidekicksdontwork" is a joke. ^^
Its a channel meme
It's a meme
5!
@@hard2hurt Are you counting the amount of people who don't get the joke ? XD
1:45 every taekwondo practitioner 😰 lol
Not really as it's a joke.
Never watched Stephen Thompson, I guess?
Fruttmaster I know and Im making another joke.
@@periodic98 in that case I'm sorry. I misunderstood
Fruttmaster all good,keep kicking!
One of your BEST!!!!! Videos!
This is a great video, helped me a lot, thanks. Also, liking that sweater!
This video is gold. I’m a boxer and I stand square, I’m also going forward but I’m defensively aggressive. I love to cut the ring off and make use of my pivots and rolls. That’s why I stand square. It works for me, I’ve tried being bladed and I hate it, but it has its uses. I don’t knock any stance or style.
This blew my mind. SUBSCRIBED!
One of my fave vids of yours. Agree with every word
Very nice opinion, Mike! If I had to pick one stance, I think the classic boxer's stance with a bladed body, and the ability to shift your weight forward and back is a reasonable answer.
You have taught me so much. Appreciate
Everything is this video is so true! I have thought this way for a long time, but not many ever seemed to agree. It always annoyed me when a sensei, coach, or whoever told me that I needed to do something their way so this or that bad thing wouldn't happen to me. Taekwondo for example, where they teach the blade stance, which I was never comfortable with. I would always find myself subconsciously squaring up and using both of my fists against my opponent's lead hand mostly since he was in a blade stance as well. There are pros and cons to everything, including stances. I use what I feel comfortable with. I mostly stand flat footed as well, but I can still move around very quickly. I like a flat footed wide stance because I like the stable base.
6:32 Wisest thing i heard about fighting even if it sounds so obvious. Sooooo many coaches do not understand it and don't pass it to students...
Probably the most useful martial arts video I've seen.
I saw a match with iron mike zambides that was defending body kicks the way you showed and it was really effective but his arm turned blue. I don't remember his opponent but it was brutal!! Good stuff here i like your channel!! Keep it up
great explanation ! as always
Thank you for this!
I hate the snobbery in martial arts you are one of the few unbiased no bullshit guys on TH-cam
Very good explanation and so true 👍👊
I really enjoyed this as In my opinion I had an odd stance using a tilted v shape lead foot straight back foot turned a little twisted hips in direction of back foot and upper body straight hands up in front and away from face and chin tucked in. I also used both springy and flat foot. When I wanted to kick hard I would load up the kick by slamming my heels down right before the throw. But stayed springy when ever moving around or throwing light kicks and all punches.
I really liked the Basketball and Soccer comparison. Right on point.
Great video,Very well explained.Glad I subbed. TCB
In a flash!
MAN THIS MADE SOOO MUCH SENSE, IT REALLY REALLY OPENED MY EYES , = THOUGHTS, THINKING, INTO EXACTLY WHAT IS REAL AND TRUE, MADE MY WAY OF PRACTICING MY STRIKING WAY MORE EASIER AS NOW I FEEL I HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF THE TRUTH ANDF WHAT MAKES SENSE, GREAT STUFF I AGREE FULLY THANKS AGAIN MAN PERFECTION AWESOMENESS= THIS IS SOMETHING IVE BEEN STRUGGLING WITH AND PUTTING SO MUCH THOUGHT INTO, ITS ALMOST LIKE A HUGE WEIGHT HAS BEEN LIFTED , CAUSE I WAS BCONSTANTLY THINKING THERE WAS A BETTER WAY , OR THAT BASICALLY I WAS DOIUNG EVERYTHING WRONG, NOT GOOD ENOUGH. ETC
honestly I come in more with a slight left leg forward boxerish stance, trying to stay balanced. Thanks to you. not overextending, unless
idc what anybody says, this is the best self defense learning on YT
The basketball analogy was great, thanks coach!!!
Thanks for this, really informative
I swear mike gives the best info.
Thanks man
Nice...I know if you’re anything like me that you don’t need my approval here but ....to me, this video made you legit as hell in my eyes....good one...best video yet.
When I started boxing they told to do side stance and always keep foot behind my other, but I never could get use to it so I would change to front with wide stance with one foot turn and bit back with my head forward but I learned that the stance worked best for me and I think that’s important for fighting
Love your videos! Keep them coming! lol
I like your videos they helping me getting new ideas my stances are Boxing and Karate because they suit me better.I like your videos a lot
My takeaway fro this, and repeated often throughout the video, is adopt the stance that is right for you. Someone 5-7 and 170 will likely adopt a different stance than someone 6-2 and 170. Someone might have different altitudes - one might like to strike, one wrestles, one prefers kicking, etc. Their stance should fit their aptitude’s.
Thanks so much for your video!
I use them all! All just different tools, use the right one for the right job. Great vid Mike! Osu!🙏🙇♂️🥋
hey hey, me again, lol. watching the vid, love it. As far as stances go, most side stance karate until I find out how my opponent wants to stand, then I can counter from a Judo mainframe of defence or if I want to strike them. main style if I must pick my foundation is kempo ,very bastardised but kempo just the same. As for side kicks trained with guys that would fold you in half if you were not careful . They used their side kicks like a boxer uses a jab but also quick adapt to punches depending on the distance. Anyway, what I wanted to say is we were taught all the stances and taught that most of these stances are actually transitional stances. foundation that can used while moving while setting up your next strike of defence. But as you say we can if this and but I'd do that to death and solve nothing . A fight is fluid, the situation is ever changing, and out come goes to fighter who is best prepared and most versatile,,, ya that's a load of bullshit too but it usually sounds good. Keep those vids coming.
Ty very much , this helped me a lot , pls stay well , wish an nice day ,.. greets☘
Stepping up in production quality!
Awesome video man! Always adjust 😎