oh it's really really bad in asia, especially china. flown with a few cpatains who worked their and the stories they told me. You get repremented for everything, everything is monitored. Even for go arounds. So some pilots do none standard(unsafe) go arounds to no trigger the OFDM data. It's a reason why eg Korea and Japan had to get in western pilots because the structor/CRM and safety mentality was so bad. First officer who are terrified of speaking up if the captain makes any mistake. (now they're good, china is still awful but they're new to the game). At the end of the day we ALL want to get home to our family safely.
@@zulgadams5837I’m an Airbus guy for sure, but I like to be fair across all spectrums in aviation. The Captain of this 757 was clearly stating that the ENGINE is the root cause for his issues, not the aircraft itself. Has nothing to do with Boeing, but everything to do with Rolls-Royce or Pratt & Whitney. I’m so fucking sick you non-aviation enthusiasts or whatever your type is swooping in with dumb stereotypes from the memes you saw on X.
Just because you're a whistleblower it doesn't automatically mean your argument is credible. In Boeing case, at least one of the WB's were found to have invalid claims.
If you fired every pilot for a momentary lapse that resulted in a safety non-event then you would not have ant flight crews. This reeks of corporate retaliation. The lawyer even admitted he accepted responsibility which as a maximum would result in some retraining. From what I have seen in this report the company's argument does no pass the laugh test. Many organizations use these termination tactics to keep the employees towing the management line.
I agree with you, however, starting to taxi while people are not clear of your aircraft is a pretty serious problem. I don’t understand how a pilot could have such a lapse of concentration.
@@rtbrtb_dutchy4183 sorry Dutchy but you don’t know any of the circumstances around the incident, was the headset defective, did he receive conflicting information? was he fatigued after a punishing roster etc etc. Yes it’s super serious, but any operator with a reasonable flight safety department would use this as an opportunity to learn and improve training. I’m afraid that this looks from the outside as the excuse to remove a “troublemaker”
@@777driver7 and you don’t think he would’ve mentioned a faulty headset, conflicting information or fatigue? We both know that he would have. He says it was his fault and he corrected it. He didn’t mention any of the excuses you came up with. We don’t even know if he is a legit whistleblower. That’s his saying, isn’t it? He is not a mechanic, but his complaints are all maintenance related. I’ve had coworkers like that. Always the same guys who had complaints and 99 out of 100 times, they are wrong.
@@777driver7 about 20 years ago, I flew with a guy who refused to take an airplane, because he “knew” the seal needed 48 hours to cure. However, that was only if you kept that seal in place. If you installed the seal, but was going to replace it within a certain amount of time, just to get it to homebase, it only needed 12 hours of curing. He wouldn’t take the airplane. So, is he a “whistleblower” or a legit “troublemaker”?
I know it sounds great and honest and all but starting to move an aircraft with ground crew under or very near the aircraft is a really big deal. It's not a small oopsie.
A pilot has the ultimate decision to decide if they want to use a plane or not. He obviously was blacklisted and they were just looking for a reason to let him go.
This man did the airline a favor by preventing them from being yet another episode of Air Disasters. But they don’t see the big picture. “Pencil whipping” maintenance always ends up in disaster
No airline fires someone just for a small incident like that. Small Incidents were the pilots at fault happen all the time no airline just fires them for it. No one was harmed. Looks like they were looking for an excuse to fire him. Waiting for him to trip.
This has been the industry standard for probably 50 years. Fortunately, this gentleman will still have his life and family. 🙏🙏🇺🇸 They should pay more than 2m.
Sounds like he was fired for almost sucking someone into the engine and killing them, not because he had safety concerns and was a whistleblower. As a group we all have to reject an aircraft from time to time in spite of pressure from the bean counters. It’s just one responsibility of those that wear stripes in the real world. I’m not saying Asia Pacific doesn’t have MX issues, I don’t know. I am saying though that this doesn’t really seem to have anything to do with the whistleblower protection act. Seems to be two separate issues.
How is it possible to taxi with crew under the plane? Don't they have to be the ones to push you back? Or did the reporter not thoroughly explain it they way they should have?
While you are right about what these corrupt MX people do and that nothing is done about it, with the FAA's knowledge and management, they got you for initiating a taxi with the MX crew still under the airplane.
The fact that the court found for the pilot, his record is clear. He should be able to find another flying job. Good luck to him. Airlines keep cutting corners and with or without passengers these Freight Haulers still need to take care of their aircraft!
Would you want to fly for a company that was so lax on maintenance? I hope the FAA is planning to take an extra close look at their maintenance procedures, logs, and aircraft repairs. It's irrelevant the pilot made a mistake, it's whether the company was just looking for an excuse to fire him.
I am on the side of the pilot, but his mistake was enough to cause an unsurvivable accident, such mistake should not be forgived with or without the whistleblowing.
Tell me you know nothing about aviation without telling me you know nothing about aviation. Please save yourself from embarrassment by only commenting what you know about. Thanks
@ First you have to learn how to argue, then you actually have valid arguments, then you actually have to be right, then maybe be I will be embarrassed… but you don’t get merit by your mediocre attempts at being condescending to me without following those steps buddy. Go take a long walk on a short pier. If you would like to argue in person find me at the Maple Avenue Boxing Gym most weekdays 5-7 PM, Dallas, Texas. Everyday you don’t show up, you will be an authentic coward. If you are a pilot DFW in reality, DFW will be an easy location for you. Have a nice day. 😎
@@Nathan-q1c I’m sorry to bust your bubble, but you actually have to first have an argument, then actually have to be right and then you can say something that might embarrass me, then you can probably say after that, that you were right and I was wrong about something specific that I said. If you don’t have something specific to say against the statement that I said, my statement stands and yours sits. You don’t get merit by trying to embarrass me by insinuating that I know nothing about aviation if you don’t even have an argument to begin with on anything specific. Crowning yourself with statement of being correct is totally out of place. You don’t even know how to have an argument. If you feel like discussing this in person you could find me at the Maple Avenue boxing gym in Dallas, Texas most weekends between 5 and 8 PM. If you really are a pilot; showing up will not be a big deal because most pilots reside or go through Dallas pretty often. Every single day that you don’t show up you are a coward. Do you understand that? Am I being clear. If you have any questions show up and I will give you a very good lesson for your future comments to strangers on the Internet. Have a nice day. 😀
I was an aircraft inspector and have seen a lot over the years retired now but it was always about time and money. My moto was if I won't fly in it I don't expect anyone else to. Had a few commanders in the military and the civilian world tell me your to picky about maintenance and just release it what could happen, my response lots and the outcome could be catastrophic. You have to stick to your principles and I always did. Yes sometimes pilots are a pain in the ass but I always understood there concerns and respected that. I hope this guy gets what he is entitled to in the end.
About the mistake. What is the normal way an airline management deals with/ 1st time mistake? Normal should govern. If not, then management revenge is suspected. Then regulators should be alerted.
It’s called “Retribution”. When you reported safety issues to the authorities and then you had one hiccups with the air plane... There is no win situation.
The airline is guilty of not maintaining their aircraft. However someone could have been seriously injured or lost their life if an accident occurred. No one is talking about other issues. For example if those airplanes are insured the owner may have been forced to fire that pilot. Also, stock holders must be answered to. If someone was hurt or property damage caused by the pilot the FAA would have investigated and likely taken away the pilots license.
Even if the airline was telling the truth than he was fired only for the final incident, it tells you that they do not practice a "just culture" which is a safety detriment as well.
This is what happens in the industry; I've been canned a few times and it's ok...I'm still alive! I've refused trips overseas cos they were unlawful! Can't get away with short cuts oversess; govts wil lock you up for years for violations! Im sure he has other skill sets,I had,get another job n move on
Typical fly by night cargo operation. The pilots need a good union to protect their careers. There needs to be balance between labor and management- especially in this environment. As an airline captain, I can see how a momentary lapse in attention can happen, especially after a cross-bleed start. No one was hurt and he recognized his mistake right away it seems. The company should have taken this incident as a learning experience and reexamined their policies and procedures to ensure this doesn’t happen again. Instead, they took this opportunity to try to eliminate a squeaky wheel. How do you think the other pilots at this company now feel about reporting safety concerns? Oh and by the way, ALL of their flying is over water so yet another layer of scrutiny is added to their ops (ETOPS) Shame on the company. And that attorney looks like he works out of his van.
Blackballing is the next thing that needs to be federally outlawed. Here we have a qualified pilot who is grounded due to retaliation which is such a waste.
I’m not siding with the airline. But starting an engine on ground and taxing while ground crew is still under the aircraft is a HUGE infraction. Could’ve easily led to a death of an employee.
Mistakes happen. At least he was up front and corrected and was honest about it. He could have hidden it. I left a job after the Captain hit a hangar and never reported the incident to maintenance or headquarters. They in turn came after me for speaking up about it. I quit as I could not take the BS. They preach safety but when it comes time to deal with incidents they don't want to. The culture of many companies I am afraid.
Great he made a mistake and it sounds as if there was a communication breakdown. You get retrained and back on the flight schedule. You dont get fired..
What about flying engines that are not fully functional? Would you fly on that aircraft? How many hundreds of people could've died if he had crashed into a city or residential area because of this fault?
Yes, Tesla Solar is another one. Damaging roof tops on senior citizens houses knowing the leaks follow the slant of the roof slowly totting the roof top making the roof unsafe. They refuse to pay for damages.
Hope he gets his job back, though unlikely. The company would make his situation like hell, through “legal” means. If not, I hope he get any left over money from the awarded sum to retire early, or find something else, he would rather do.
I have seen, in my career, some shady operators. I was lucky to have a career with an actual Major Airline. I have flown the B757 thousands of hours. This "Asia Pacific Airline" is a shady crappy joke.
People do not understand the pressure of coward aviation managers to keep the planes moving. Per pound aviation is the most expensive business in existence. If you get n the way of that with aviation safety concerns then you are the cheeper problem. An you need to go.
No he doesn't Maintenance has! I don't know the nature of the engine problem he said Mx didn't do anything about. But some issues don't always require opening the engine cowlings. As an AMT for 40+ years I can tell you not many Mechanics out there are going to sign off a engine malfunction and let it fly! So if Maintenance releases the log book and signs the Airworthiness release. He (the pilot) can still refuse to take the aircraft but he better have a damn good reason for flight control and his boss the Chief Pilot!
Don't know all the details, but based on what I see here I'f guess the airline used the relatively minor error by the pilot to justify termination when in fact they saw his complaints as threatening. Regardless, let's hope he gets the $2M.
Minor error? Moving your aircraft while people are underneath is not a minor error. You would be grounded in my company, get demoted and potentially fired for sure. It’s not minor.
Omg do you people ever stop with the Trump hatred? Wth does he gotta do with this man? Nothing. How about you say something positive about Biden...I mean Obama since he's running the country.
Pilot's are hired to fly airplanes. They're not management, they're not maintenance. If they don't like the way the company is being run or the way the planes are being maintained, they should quit. Expecting a company to change its way of doing business because you're angry or frightened about something is no bueno. Submit your resignation, thank the company for hiring you, and walk out the door with your head held high.
What a bunch of nonsense. That's like saying you should move countries just because you don't agree with the government. Pilots have a final say in whether to land or take off into bad weather, so they should also say whether to take off with poor equipment. This is about basic integrity. If you leave and someone else is left to fly with poor equipment, then you're possibly endangering someone else. This person took ownership of the situation.
@@dengueberriesexcept that the “final say” has to be reasonable and real. We don’t know if that’s the case here. Fixing an engine cowl with epoxy and needing it to dry for 24 hours, that’s his side of the story. Sometimes, things are allowed differently based on different circumstances. Had this happened myself once. Needed a new seal and it was supposed to dry for 48 hours. But then the manufacturer said that you can fly after 12 hours, as long as you replaced that brand new seal within 10 days and put in another seal and let it cure the 48 hours. The big problem here is him moving the aircraft with people underneath. Not sure how that can even happen. That’s not just some lapse of concentration.
No that's not the narrative. He raised the concerns BEFORE the incident...but that incident, of course, gave the company the ammo to "illegally" fire him.... that's how these companies work.
@@JohnSmith-pl2bkyou base this on what? A pilot that moves his airplane, with people underneath, won’t last at my company either. That’s a huge mistake. Sorry, but that’s borderline incompetence.
Good for him. It's unbelievable that companies put money ahead of lives and still deny any wrong doing.
oh it's really really bad in asia, especially china. flown with a few cpatains who worked their and the stories they told me. You get repremented for everything, everything is monitored. Even for go arounds. So some pilots do none standard(unsafe) go arounds to no trigger the OFDM data.
It's a reason why eg Korea and Japan had to get in western pilots because the structor/CRM and safety mentality was so bad. First officer who are terrified of speaking up if the captain makes any mistake. (now they're good, china is still awful but they're new to the game).
At the end of the day we ALL want to get home to our family safely.
AKA Boeing!!
You mean it's unbelievable that they continue to try to get away with it, not that they do it
@@zulgadams5837This is a cargo airline, not a manufacturer
@@zulgadams5837I’m an Airbus guy for sure, but I like to be fair across all spectrums in aviation. The Captain of this 757 was clearly stating that the ENGINE is the root cause for his issues, not the aircraft itself. Has nothing to do with Boeing, but everything to do with Rolls-Royce or Pratt & Whitney. I’m so fucking sick you non-aviation enthusiasts or whatever your type is swooping in with dumb stereotypes from the memes you saw on X.
That’s definitely a better deal than the Boeing whistle blowers got.
Did he actually get the money (cash) or shares.
I don't know the rate for a hitman, but if Boeing would solve one of their issues for e.g. $1m it'd be profitable to them.
Just because you're a whistleblower it doesn't automatically mean your argument is credible. In Boeing case, at least one of the WB's were found to have invalid claims.
@@jlvandat69the flag in front of your name invalidates anything you say
@@dciracer99 What made you think it was a flag?
If you fired every pilot for a momentary lapse that resulted in a safety non-event then you would not have ant flight crews. This reeks of corporate retaliation. The lawyer even admitted he accepted responsibility which as a maximum would result in some retraining. From what I have seen in this report the company's argument does no pass the laugh test. Many organizations use these termination tactics to keep the employees towing the management line.
I agree with you, however, starting to taxi while people are not clear of your aircraft is a pretty serious problem. I don’t understand how a pilot could have such a lapse of concentration.
@@rtbrtb_dutchy4183 sorry Dutchy but you don’t know any of the circumstances around the incident, was the headset defective, did he receive conflicting information? was he fatigued after a punishing roster etc etc.
Yes it’s super serious, but any operator with a reasonable flight safety department would use this as an opportunity to learn and improve training.
I’m afraid that this looks from the outside as the excuse to remove a “troublemaker”
@@777driver7 and you don’t think he would’ve mentioned a faulty headset, conflicting information or fatigue? We both know that he would have. He says it was his fault and he corrected it. He didn’t mention any of the excuses you came up with.
We don’t even know if he is a legit whistleblower. That’s his saying, isn’t it? He is not a mechanic, but his complaints are all maintenance related. I’ve had coworkers like that. Always the same guys who had complaints and 99 out of 100 times, they are wrong.
@@777driver7 about 20 years ago, I flew with a guy who refused to take an airplane, because he “knew” the seal needed 48 hours to cure. However, that was only if you kept that seal in place. If you installed the seal, but was going to replace it within a certain amount of time, just to get it to homebase, it only needed 12 hours of curing. He wouldn’t take the airplane. So, is he a “whistleblower” or a legit “troublemaker”?
This Man is straight up.
I think the pilot was correct and is right because a pilot knows his plane
That’s his Owners, Chinese from Saipan.
A good man, doing the right thing. Hard to fight a big corporation, with huge money backing it up.
He took full responsibility of his action and corrected his wrong
I know it sounds great and honest and all but starting to move an aircraft with ground crew under or very near the aircraft is a really big deal. It's not a small oopsie.
@@davidkavanagh189
Failure of the company to maintain aircraft is also very serious.
@@davidkavanagh189exactly. That’s as serious as it can get. I don’t understand how that could even happen.
@@rtbrtb_dutchy4183 Pretty much the only scenario I can think of is APU inop crossbleed start on a taxi-off stand.
Negligence is way worse than a lapse
His “lapse” was also negligence. Moving your aircraft while people are underneath it, is pretty darn bad.
@@rtbrtb_dutchy4183 it is. But it is unintentional. People make mistakes. Cheating with the maintenance is done knowingly and is way worse
@@rtbrtb_dutchy4183stop running defence for the company scumbag
Smacks of “ we’ll find something to get rid of him “. He gave them that however minor the. Transgression
Welcome to corporate America.
The company is registered out of Saipan.
@ My bad, the corporate world*
The company was foolish..
RULES ONLY APPLY WHEN IT SUITS THE CORPORATION.
Thank you for protecting others, mister.
Airlines are not your friend. This seems to true for pilots too.
A pilot has the ultimate decision to decide if they want to use a plane or not. He obviously was blacklisted and they were just looking for a reason to let him go.
Maybe it is because of social media shining the light on "business before safety" or has commercial aviation been always been this "fast and loose"?
All you have to do is look at his lawyer. That kind of a lawyer is a for profit corporate jockey of death.
That's Asia Pacific's lawyer...
This man did the airline a favor by preventing them from being yet another episode of Air Disasters. But they don’t see the big picture. “Pencil whipping” maintenance always ends up in disaster
Dude I know exactly how you feel.
The pilot is the final arbiter!
No airline fires someone just for a small incident like that. Small Incidents were the pilots at fault happen all the time no airline just fires them for it. No one was harmed. Looks like they were looking for an excuse to fire him. Waiting for him to trip.
Moving your aircraft without making sure it’s clear, is not a small incident. That’s pretty bad. My company would likely fire you over that.
Its small incident until a guy got sucked into the engine
It’s terrible that companies put profit ahead of safety. The only winners out of these types of situations are the sleazy law firms. 🤮
This has been the industry standard for probably 50 years. Fortunately, this gentleman will still have his life and family. 🙏🙏🇺🇸 They should pay more than 2m.
Only 2 mil????? Should have been three times more. Wonder if the faa has investigated any of this???? It is their job. At least it used to be.
No,FAA would much rather suspend or revocation you instead!
Sounds like he was fired for almost sucking someone into the engine and killing them, not because he had safety concerns and was a whistleblower. As a group we all have to reject an aircraft from time to time in spite of pressure from the bean counters. It’s just one responsibility of those that wear stripes in the real world. I’m not saying Asia Pacific doesn’t have MX issues, I don’t know. I am saying though that this doesn’t really seem to have anything to do with the whistleblower protection act. Seems to be two separate issues.
Bingo. You said what I was thinking. Moving an aircraft while the crew is still underneath is 100% unacceptable
It’s ok this airline is about to fold anyways.
How is it possible to taxi with crew under the plane? Don't they have to be the ones to push you back? Or did the reporter not thoroughly explain it they way they should have?
While you are right about what these corrupt MX people do and that nothing is done about it, with the FAA's knowledge and management, they got you for initiating a taxi with the MX crew still under the airplane.
The MX crew could have been “ordered” to stay in place by their dispatch. without the crew knowing the pilot was about to perform that test. 🤔
@@ptw2408 Such a BS you are talking about. Any test performed by the crew is coordinated with MX, ATC, etc.
@@ptw2408no crew would be told that 🤣
The fact that the court found for the pilot, his record is clear. He should be able to find another flying job. Good luck to him. Airlines keep cutting corners and with or without passengers these Freight Haulers still need to take care of their aircraft!
Do the maintenance yourself with an AP signing you off....I did and my plane worked just fine
Yeah, let's let a pilot that started moving a plane with the maintenance crew under it fly again.
Would you want to fly for a company that was so lax on maintenance? I hope the FAA is planning to take an extra close look at their maintenance procedures, logs, and aircraft repairs. It's irrelevant the pilot made a mistake, it's whether the company was just looking for an excuse to fire him.
1:39 bruh the nerve you have to say that is crazy!! The whistle blower did the right thing and has all my respect
I am on the side of the pilot, but his mistake was enough to cause an unsurvivable accident, such mistake should not be forgived with or without the whistleblowing.
Tell me you know nothing about aviation without telling me you know nothing about aviation. Please save yourself from embarrassment by only commenting what you know about. Thanks
@ First you have to learn how to argue, then you actually have valid arguments, then you actually have to be right, then maybe be I will be embarrassed… but you don’t get merit by your mediocre attempts at being condescending to me without following those steps buddy. Go take a long walk on a short pier. If you would like to argue in person find me at the Maple Avenue Boxing Gym most weekdays 5-7 PM, Dallas, Texas. Everyday you don’t show up, you will be an authentic coward. If you are a pilot DFW in reality, DFW will be an easy location for you. Have a nice day. 😎
@@Nathan-q1c I’m sorry to bust your bubble, but you actually have to first have an argument, then actually have to be right and then you can say something that might embarrass me, then you can probably say after that, that you were right and I was wrong about something specific that I said. If you don’t have something specific to say against the statement that I said, my statement stands and yours sits. You don’t get merit by trying to embarrass me by insinuating that I know nothing about aviation if you don’t even have an argument to begin with on anything specific. Crowning yourself with statement of being correct is totally out of place. You don’t even know how to have an argument. If you feel like discussing this in person you could find me at the Maple Avenue boxing gym in Dallas, Texas most weekends between 5 and 8 PM. If you really are a pilot; showing up will not be a big deal because most pilots reside or go through Dallas pretty often. Every single day that you don’t show up you are a coward. Do you understand that? Am I being clear. If you have any questions show up and I will give you a very good lesson for your future comments to strangers on the Internet. Have a nice day. 😀
Interested to see how this is gonna end.
I was an aircraft inspector and have seen a lot over the years retired now but it was always about time and money. My moto was if I won't fly in it I don't expect anyone else to. Had a few commanders in the military and the civilian world tell me your to picky about maintenance and just release it what could happen, my response lots and the outcome could be catastrophic. You have to stick to your principles and I always did. Yes sometimes pilots are a pain in the ass but I always understood there concerns and respected that. I hope this guy gets what he is entitled to in the end.
They wanted to get rid of him, and that incident was just the nail in the coffin.
It would seem the courts disagree with that attorney
he better hire 24 hour bodyguards.
Maybe not. He doesn't work for Boeing. 😮
About the mistake. What is the normal way an airline management deals with/ 1st time mistake? Normal should govern. If not, then management revenge is suspected. Then regulators should be alerted.
get this man paid
IRS: hold up, buddy. I want half.
It’s called “Retribution”. When you reported safety issues to the authorities and then you had one hiccups with the air plane... There is no win situation.
Good because then when something happen is still the pilot fault.
Sounds like a company with no delegation
How on earth did they not grounded the plane until it was fixed?
Who is Asia Pacific Air. Do they even have enough money for an Appeal Bond?
The airline is guilty of not maintaining their aircraft. However someone could have been seriously injured or lost their life if an accident occurred. No one is talking about other issues. For example if those airplanes are insured the owner may have been forced to fire that pilot. Also, stock holders must be answered to. If someone was hurt or property damage caused by the pilot the FAA would have investigated and likely taken away the pilots license.
Even if the airline was telling the truth than he was fired only for the final incident, it tells you that they do not practice a "just culture" which is a safety detriment as well.
Pay the man so he can buy his own cargo plane and take over. Clearly retaliation on the airlines’ part
If you have ever been ground crew you wouldnt think moving the airplane while you're under it is no big deal. I would have fired him too.
Pretty simple solution: give him backpay and rehire them. That's gotta be a lot less than $2 Million.
This is what happens in the industry; I've been canned a few times and it's ok...I'm still alive! I've refused trips overseas cos they were unlawful! Can't get away with short cuts oversess; govts wil lock you up for years for violations! Im sure he has other skill sets,I had,get another job n move on
These freight companies like many fire pilots on a rotating basis because they bring up safety concerns. If they fly an unsafe plane its pilot error.
He moved the acft while guys/gals were still on the ground under the acft, yeah that should be way more than a slap on the wrist
This guy won’t see a penny
Another lying lawyer so what is new?
yeah, that’s not a fireable offense. they wanted to get rid of him and he unwittingly gave them what they thought was the right excuse.
What 🤣the nonsense some of you write
Good on the pilot. At the end of the day it’s the pilots decision if the plane would be safe or not.
Typical fly by night cargo operation. The pilots need a good union to protect their careers. There needs to be balance between labor and management- especially in this environment. As an airline captain, I can see how a momentary lapse in attention can happen, especially after a cross-bleed start. No one was hurt and he recognized his mistake right away it seems. The company should have taken this incident as a learning experience and reexamined their policies and procedures to ensure this doesn’t happen again. Instead, they took this opportunity to try to eliminate a squeaky wheel. How do you think the other pilots at this company now feel about reporting safety concerns? Oh and by the way, ALL of their flying is over water so yet another layer of scrutiny is added to their ops (ETOPS)
Shame on the company. And that attorney looks like he works out of his van.
Go fly for nomadic
Atta boy. Go buy yourself a brand new cirus now the hell with the airlines
My question to the company would be “ How many similar incidents in the past by other pilots resulted in them being fired?”
Blackballing is the next thing that needs to be federally outlawed. Here we have a qualified pilot who is grounded due to retaliation which is such a waste.
I’m not siding with the airline. But starting an engine on ground and taxing while ground crew is still under the aircraft is a HUGE infraction. Could’ve easily led to a death of an employee.
Mistakes happen. At least he was up front and corrected and was honest about it. He could have hidden it. I left a job after the Captain hit a hangar and never reported the incident to maintenance or headquarters. They in turn came after me for speaking up about it. I quit as I could not take the BS. They preach safety but when it comes time to deal with incidents they don't want to. The culture of many companies I am afraid.
@@sturvinmurvin9408you can’t hide this type of mistake. Not just the crew on the ground but co-pilot as witnesses.
Great he made a mistake and it sounds as if there was a communication breakdown. You get retrained and back on the flight schedule. You dont get fired..
@@350ZEASZEtruth. airlines don’t fire for mistakes. they do discipline for reporting safety problems though
What about flying engines that are not fully functional? Would you fly on that aircraft? How many hundreds of people could've died if he had crashed into a city or residential area because of this fault?
Seems like legitimate airlines would want a pilot that's professional and safe.
Wow that's basically nothing on a 19 million dollar career. 2 million is earned in 5 years if you count the yearly raises and date of signing bonuses.
Exactly, and nobody will want such a guy in the company. So, he has lost his career.
Now you can retire rich.
I know it sounds like it but $2M isn't exactly rich when it comes to retiring - especially in Hawaii.
Yes, Tesla Solar is another one. Damaging roof tops on senior citizens houses knowing the leaks follow the slant of the roof slowly totting the roof top making the roof unsafe. They refuse to pay for damages.
$1M is his after taxes and fees still not bad
“Shut Up and Color” is in every industry.
Sweet deal for him
Good .
Hope he gets his job back, though unlikely. The company would make his situation like hell, through “legal” means. If not, I hope he get any left over money from the awarded sum to retire early, or find something else, he would rather do.
I have seen, in my career, some shady operators.
I was lucky to have a career with an actual Major Airline. I have flown the B757 thousands of hours.
This "Asia Pacific Airline" is a shady crappy joke.
Good. These companies are braixen. Glad he sued
The penalty has to be way higher that the math always is on the side of safety!
Boeing? Whistleblower?
People do not understand the pressure of coward aviation managers to keep the planes moving. Per pound aviation is the most expensive business in existence. If you get n the way of that with aviation safety concerns then you are the cheeper problem. An you need to go.
Photobombed by a CAT!
AIR21 Whistle Blower Protection Act
He probably has a point, but there's no excuse for taxiing without being clear of personnel.
2m is good, considering no airline will hire him again.
The appeal court can force the airline to re hire him.
sounds like a rookie-do deal to me, I thought Captain had the last word on if an aircraft is safe and airworthy to fly.
No he doesn't Maintenance has!
I don't know the nature of the engine problem he said Mx didn't do anything about. But some issues don't always require opening the engine cowlings.
As an AMT for 40+ years I can tell you not many Mechanics out there are going to sign off a engine malfunction and let it fly!
So if Maintenance releases the log book and signs the Airworthiness release.
He (the pilot) can still refuse to take the aircraft but he better have a damn good reason for flight control and his boss the Chief Pilot!
Don't know all the details, but based on what I see here I'f guess the airline used the relatively minor error by the pilot to justify termination when in fact they saw his complaints as threatening. Regardless, let's hope he gets the $2M.
Minor error? Moving your aircraft while people are underneath is not a minor error. You would be grounded in my company, get demoted and potentially fired for sure. It’s not minor.
@@rtbrtb_dutchy4183I agree I wish these people would shut the **** up.
This settlement would have NEVER HAPPENED under a Trump administration
Omg do you people ever stop with the Trump hatred? Wth does he gotta do with this man? Nothing. How about you say something positive about Biden...I mean Obama since he's running the country.
TDS TO THE MAX😂
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Lol yaaa we slid a Trump bash in!
You are correct! Under trump I would estimate 6 million….. good call.
Pilot's are hired to fly airplanes. They're not management, they're not maintenance. If they don't like the way the company is being run or the way the planes are being maintained, they should quit. Expecting a company to change its way of doing business because you're angry or frightened about something is no bueno. Submit your resignation, thank the company for hiring you, and walk out the door with your head held high.
What a bunch of nonsense. That's like saying you should move countries just because you don't agree with the government.
Pilots have a final say in whether to land or take off into bad weather, so they should also say whether to take off with poor equipment. This is about basic integrity. If you leave and someone else is left to fly with poor equipment, then you're possibly endangering someone else. This person took ownership of the situation.
@@dengueberriesexcept that the “final say” has to be reasonable and real. We don’t know if that’s the case here. Fixing an engine cowl with epoxy and needing it to dry for 24 hours, that’s his side of the story. Sometimes, things are allowed differently based on different circumstances.
Had this happened myself once. Needed a new seal and it was supposed to dry for 48 hours. But then the manufacturer said that you can fly after 12 hours, as long as you replaced that brand new seal within 10 days and put in another seal and let it cure the 48 hours.
The big problem here is him moving the aircraft with people underneath. Not sure how that can even happen. That’s not just some lapse of concentration.
he only raised concerns officially after he messed up himself. hmmmm…
No that's not the narrative.
He raised the concerns BEFORE the incident...but that incident, of course, gave the company the ammo to "illegally" fire him....
that's how these companies work.
@@JohnSmith-pl2bkyou base this on what? A pilot that moves his airplane, with people underneath, won’t last at my company either. That’s a huge mistake. Sorry, but that’s borderline incompetence.
Boeing in response to the suit...'Well, we got 2 out of 3, so, that ain't bad"
Nonsense
@@davidroberts2777 What's wrong? Are you an Executive or something? 8/
Good.