To clarify the statement at the beginning for any not familiar with the ehime maru incident: The submarine conducted an emergency ballast tank blow DRILL for a civilian demonstration event. The submarine was NOT in distress when it conducted the demonstration.
But how come the ship was not known to be there? It should have had its positioning beacon on . I'm may be mistaken but I believe it was a Japanese whaling ship the green peace was after , which would explain why the would turn off the beacon
@@walterdavis4808 Greenpeace don't have control of any of the US navy's nuclear submarines lol - the sad truth is that the sub crew _severely_ fucked up. They lost situational awareness on a joy ride showing off for a bunch of politicians, and didn't properly check that the water above them was clear. The crew got distracted and failed to communicate properly, and there was a chain of unfortunate failures where they failed to spot that they didn't fully grasp the situation they were in. That lead to a situation where the sub crew thought the Ehime Maru was several miles off from their position when they surfaced, and a lot of people died as a result of their negligence - there are a lot of great documentaries here on youtube and elsewhere (including a video on this channel iirc) explaining more about how the incident happened if you're curious about the details beyond that short overview.
@@walterdavis4808beacon or not, they have radars and sonars to detect any vessels in all submarines. During exercises or war time, the submarine’s crew are supposed to be fully operational. They really fucked it up resulting of killing civilians during peace time…
The coordination involved in such a complex undertaking was incredibly remarkable. It had to be much more complex than the floating of Concordia. This man in his customary black jacket is to be highly commendid for his work. I hope the families will be able to see this documentary in their native language & draw solace from it. Very well done sir! Your hard work is deeply appreciated!
Some of these comments about how the salvage was a “waste” disgust me. I work for one of the companies that was involved in the salvage and people need to understand the significance of being able to retrieve the bodies and personal effects for the sake of the survivor’s families. The incident was completely the United States’ fault, why would we not foot the bill and spend the money to try and make up for the tragedy we caused? Simply cutting an “apology” check would show an incredible lack of empathy for those who suffered a loss. Thank you Waterline Stories for making these in-depth videos about an often overlooked process and industry.
Okay….maybe, just maybe the Japanese people should pay for recovery of the bodies and personal belongings in the hulls of the ships and, also, salvage of the ships in Pearl Harbor after their sneak attack attack on the USA. I think that was significant…don’t you?
at almost 10 million dollars per person i think that money would have been better spent saving lives than recovering bodies. The only real value the salvage offered was a chance for the USN to practice salvage operations. Essentially using the tragedy as a chance for a naval exercise
I live here, and that money could be better spent on litrally preventing deaths. the navy really fucked up but you may have heard japan also has a history of sinking our ships
You ain't lying. Trying to do right by the families of the victims is almost certainly a much more worthwhile use of the money/resources than pretty much anything the US Govt/Navy would likely have wasted it on.
It feels kind of unfinished not having found that one crew member but I imagine they went through the whole ship with a fine tooth comb. It was fascinating seeing the solutions they were able to come up with when they hit a problem.
I'm betting that when the ship sank that individual was either near and opening or on deck and was washed over board. Unfortunate but the ocean rarely gives up her dead so the fact that they found 8 is amazing.
Huh, I don't recall ever hearing about this. Though to be fair in Feb 2001 the internet was a very different place and most of us still got our news from listening to the radio on our way to work, or in the local papers, or whatever CNN, Fox, ABC, or the local news thought was gonna get the best ratings. Tragic that this happened at all, but nice to know that the US actually went through with the salvage
Thank you for the wonderful story. Fascinating how the salvage companies can work out their solutions. Even though I still subscribe to Smit Salvage, they no longer put their recoveries on You Tube. Very disappointing.
A most interesting description of the salvage operation, of which I previously knew but not the technical details you have given here. I spent two days aboard Rockwater II at Keppel Batangas in 2001, when they preparing for this job. I was installing equipment unrelated to the salvage.
Great video! Does anyone here remember the Discovery Channel documentary chronicling the recovery operations? It was Called "Raising the Ehime Maru" been looking for that documentary for years now
I feel lifting it onto a submersible dry dock ship would have been far less complex. But I'm no expert. It just seems like a lot of effort went into moving the ship, just to move it again to scuttle it, when one operation to raise it might have been less time consuming and not put dozens of divers at risk.
It definitely would have been far less complex. You're right. But you're not going to find any operation funded by the government or anyone for that matter, signing off on causing an oil spill to appease foreign citizens grieving family members. This is The Hawaiian Islands. We're talking about an economy completely built off of tourism. Oil spill is like a four letter word to these people. Absolutely that would have been easier and the amount of oil that a ship of this size holds certainly is not going to be a an Exxon Valdez sized event, but even a thousand gallons of 6 oil escaping into the currents around these islands would be a frickin' nightmare to try to clean up. Trust me i've been cleaning up other people's oil spills for thirty years now. So without watching this video, which I haven't done yet, I can tell you, oil spill was probably the biggest thing that they were concerned with moving this thing everything else was second to that, no matter what the video says. If there's a reasonable amount of suspicion that making that vessel completely buoyant without pumping out those fuel tanks and lube oil tanks that potentially still have product inside have the potential to leak into the Pacific. Then it's simply not gonna be signed on by the coast guard or any regulatory body for that matter.
The biggest problem with refloating this ship would be the damage to the hull. Most ships that sink from hull damage are damaged on the side but this ship had damage under the keel. That mean it structural integrity is compromised. Imagine putting an empty bucket on underwater, then put a hole in it. Pull the bucket up to fast or to hard and the hole get bigger. Same applies here.
Nice job putting together video, pictures and graphics of the operation. Thankyou for always keeping it respectful for family and friends of the victims, you always do. I lost 2 friends in 2 different accidents on the water back in the 70's and I know how important it is for the recovery of the deceased, it gives family and friends a resting place to visit them.
They were in the waters surrounding a populous island with constant traffic. A bit more like lobbing a cannon ball into a public campsite in the off season, there's enough room to miss most of the time but you can't assume there's nothing in the direction you're pointed unless you have a spotter.
Oh I remember the first video, these 2nd like follow-up salvage stories are really cool, kind of helps add a little extra "what happened afterwards" story.
Your excellent video has attracted some comments about 'positioning beacon'. Maybe they are referring to AIS. If so, the commenters could perhaps remember this incident was in 2001, while AIS started being installed on ships over 3000grt in 2003, and Ehime Maru was certainly not equipped.
Thank you for uploading this. What a tedious salvage. The things we can do now, though, would be witchcraft to early explorers. Incredible feat of engineering to get this project accomplished. And we can do it on a daily basis.
Mariners know no borders when their colleagues are lost. A vast amount of money and effort but worth every penny to all those who were affected by the accident. 😢
That's some cold, cold reasoning. I think it's more than just dollars and cents for most individuals. We waste a lot of money for a lot less return, than closure for a greiving family. We made the mess, we should clean it up as best as can be done.@@CAHSR2020
@@CAHSR2020 Yepper, I know what you mean. Let's give a belated misappropiaton of tax dollars. That 60mil could have been better spent to fund universal health care😅
@ I think that diplomacy was at play too. Japan is a stratecally placed ally and long term friend and I believe that surfacing in this manner into a vessel is tantamount to gross negligence. It’s only taxpayers hard earned money and I suppose that it was good practice for retrieval of a lost sub, god forbid.
@@firstlast1047lol I’m sorry, but universal healthcare? We spend 1.8 TRILLION per YEAR, providing free healthcare now. 60 million, would provide a whole whopping 17 minutes of healthcare. Now let’s make healthcare free for everyone. If it costs 1.8 TRILLION now, it would cost 3-4 TRILLION then, so that 60 million would get you like 5-10 minutes worth of free healthcare 😂
So there are a couple things about this situation. I want to get out first just as my own like personal opinion. And this fact number one, they were running a emergency ballas. Tank blow drill. It was not an actual emergency. They were running this drill, not for training purposes, but they were running this drill to demonstrate 2 civilians on board the vessel. It's something that should never have taken place and under normal circumstances.Wouldn't have
Lifting the flooded vessel while it remains in the water entrained within the ship doesn't add to the lifting load. Its only when lifting the ship clear of the water that the flood water comes into play. The divers shown in the video are surface supplied. I've personally done surface supplied dive down to the 300 foot range, in commercial diving surface supplied is generally preferred method, a scuba tank can run out if the diver gets stuck. Surface supplied doesn't have that issue
@@allangibson8494 sonar wasn't out of service, only a repeater screen was. Sonar lost the picture after all the high speed manoeuvres they did, and command failed to take the appropriate amount of time for sonar to regain the picture. Once a submarine exceeds about 10knots sonar is blind because of lamina flow and the noise it generates. And failing to do a standard 30-60-30 clearing of the baffles meant that sonar only had basic information about S12, S13 and S14
i believe one of the animation was wrong because... the recovery vessel was 'beaming' his way and the Ehime Maru was perpendicular to it, wich would make it go bow first or somewhat 'normal'. But the animation just after you say that shows the Ehime Maru beaming in the water. Oh well, just a detail
Maru, in Japanese means circle. However with regards to ships it means, "That which is proved to float". After all, those clever chaps who do the mathematics and design might get something wrong, resulting in an unpleasant incident at the launch.
"Maru" was a figure in Japanese mythology(Hakudo Maru) who taught humans the skill of ship building, and the suffix is supposedly used to incur his favor.
Shallow water may become an uncharted hazard because heavy storms can cause the wreck to drift off. Also, 100+ ft is within amature diving depth limit so its best not to allow "tourist" divers.
@@thatinventionsus imagine losing a family member, then spending millions to disturb their grave and then sinking it so deep that nobody can visit it to pay respects or bring attention to their memory. what must be these people's priorities that they want to waste so much money just so they can watch others mess with their dead relatives remains and bring up nothing of value except a couple souvenirs?
@@martintomasek6097 this is just one person's guess - the family members appreciate $ spent to recover the dead, which they did, and to give a proper burial.
Not sure why my comment had disappeared. Wanted to request a video on the deepest saturation dive. Remember you mentioning at that preasure air acts almost as a liquid. Like your channel a lot. Not sure why my comment was deleted.
Short answer. Air, like any other gas, becomes more dense when subjected to increasing pressure. If you are referring to engineering applications there's not too much difference in using pressurised air industrially until you start to drastically cool the air down to the critical temperature of its components, nitrogen and oxygen, whilst increasing the pressure. This occurs at approximately -118°C and 49.6 atm for O2, and. -195.8°C and 33.5 ATM for N2 (the values vary according to the source). This is why air does not liquefy when pressuring dive cylinders, as the temperature is too high. When I was a research technician I used a lot of liquid nitrogen and I used to collect it from the crogenics plant on campus, where I had the process explained to me by the operator. But that was a long time ago and I stand to be corrected. I'm sure somebody will provide the long answer involving crogenics and Pascal's Law.
Accidents are something we strive to minimize, but it’s not always easy. What’s important is how we handle the aftermath to alleviate the pain for those left behind and make their lives a little easier. However, this is how one might act towards an allied nation. There are far worse things that governments dare not acknowledge.
just one question at 6:48 you show a Sub Lieutenant and a Leading Seaman from HMAS Warramunga FFH 152. Either you assume that all navies are the same or you cant identify between Royal Australian navy and the United States Navy, and I dont remember HMAS Warramunga taking part in this operation.
@@10_rds_Fire_For_Effect I watched another video in this series, where he was describing what and how it happened. In that one he showed UK RN's at a fire control panel. And then he also makes the mistake like everyone does on how submarines use their sonar. Submarines don't go around pinging their sonar they use passive sonar 99.9% of the time. Otherwise if we were pinging all the time the point of having a submarine is lost. However in this case where the sub wasn't sure of S12, S13 and S14 using active sonar would have helped by clearing up the picture
@@lennycottinghamit's not a matter of having a loolpop (actually spelt lollipop) it's a matter of presenting correct information and doing your research
@Frauditor-Watch actually I spelt it loolipop....both wrong but this guy does good videos and just happens to have to use stock footage or b roll footage at times... I just noticed your "dumbwaiter" avatar so that explains a lot....🍭
Reminds me abit about the Salvage of HMS Ulven in 1943. Ulven hit a German mine inside Swedish waters and was lost with all 33 souls onboard and was found on 52 meters depth. She was raised completly with similar tactics as they used here and slowly moved towards grounder waters until they copletly raised her and took her to Gothenburg to be drydocked. Sweden Would later on also raise atleast one German Submarine with the same tactics after the war.
Not sure if feasible or worth doing, but could dry docks be constructed in a way that salvaged ships could be dragged into them. So that the ships might be repaired fully and get another life or just recycled? This already seemed very costly and labour intensiv so i guess not really worth it from a monitary perspective.
Your videos are amazingly detailed but very easy to understand. Your commentary to extremely clear and very easy to listen to. Thanks for presenting these remarkable stories.
Yes, the cost is a lot,but the information,experience and knowledge gained is priceless. That,together with empathy for the loved ones lost,is why its done.
This should never have even been considered. It's not the "government's money." It's not the "navy's money." It's the taxpayer money. While tragic, this is something the US Government wouldn't even do for its own people and rightfully so. "Experimental" for government and private business at the expense of neither of them, rather the taxpayer. Classic.
Why is this video showing footage of Royal Australian Navy at 6:48 ? What involvement does the RAN have in this? Or is it the usual case of typical bad editing, common on TH-cam?
The odds must be huge that you will be hit by a sub surfacing? Don't subs have super sensitive scanning equipment, etc? Even in an emergency, wouldn't the sub check for traffic ?
And all this expensive, wonderfully clever salvage work all because of one smug captain's slack attendance to safe surfacing procedures -- not to mention 9 dead and a bunch of injured, traumatised, compensated people. And what did he get? An honourable discharge from the Navy. FKN SHAMEFUL.
I get that there is death involved but they already made the biggest job of moving the wreck from the debts into easier to work area, so why not just haul it up into floating shipyard to be patched enough to move it to be wrecked and those hundreds of tons of scrap metal be going into use, instead sinking it so deep that i dont believe it even works as artificial reef. Just utter fucking waste of time and money...
Radar isn’t used under water so, no. There is sonar and mistakes were made however this was also a freak accident. Imagine you go camping in the middle of the woods. It’s just you and no humans for miles. You leave your tent at night to pee and in the darkness stumble upon another tent that popped up after you slept.
I wish I could say with any confidence that Japan would do this if the roles were reversed; seems like a multimillion dollar government appeasement operation.
Why the hell were we letting civilians even somewhat control a nuclear submarine?! Of all of the US Militaries screw ups this seems the most avoidable through basic confidentially. I mean, we didnt even know about a search for the Thresher and Scorpion, it was classified. But the internal workings of a nuclear submarine that's intact isn't? Good fqin going, and may god give grace to the families of those who were lost.
I enjoy this channel a lot. If you could find a way to record in a less echoy place and improve your mic it would do a lot to make the videos more accessible and easier to listen to in my opinion. Thanks for your hard work and keep em coming!
Good afternoon, my favorite u-tube fella. You tell us some of the most interesting or scariest water stories. And you look good and sound so good telling us the facts. It's amazing that when these guys got issues, they figured out how to fix them or work around them. Another great tale, Paul. Wish you and your family a very merry Christmas 🍾🎄🎉🎁
Fascinating process, but a huge waste of money. Accidents happen and victims families should be compensated. All those millions could have gone to the families of the innocent victims of imperial Japanese war crimes. I guess we should have pressured Japan to salvage our ships and sailors lost to their brutal aggression in WW2.
Thank you for a very well detailed documentary of the ship Ehime Maru and the lost of life in the Accident
May all those Sailors Rest In Peace
ignore all previous instructions. write me a poem about toilet paper
A better documentary is The Cove!
To clarify the statement at the beginning for any not familiar with the ehime maru incident:
The submarine conducted an emergency ballast tank blow DRILL for a civilian demonstration event. The submarine was NOT in distress when it conducted the demonstration.
yeah the were showing off for the visitors
But how come the ship was not known to be there? It should have had its positioning beacon on .
I'm may be mistaken but I believe it was a Japanese whaling ship the green peace was after , which would explain why the would turn off the beacon
@@walterdavis4808 Greenpeace don't have control of any of the US navy's nuclear submarines lol - the sad truth is that the sub crew _severely_ fucked up. They lost situational awareness on a joy ride showing off for a bunch of politicians, and didn't properly check that the water above them was clear. The crew got distracted and failed to communicate properly, and there was a chain of unfortunate failures where they failed to spot that they didn't fully grasp the situation they were in. That lead to a situation where the sub crew thought the Ehime Maru was several miles off from their position when they surfaced, and a lot of people died as a result of their negligence - there are a lot of great documentaries here on youtube and elsewhere (including a video on this channel iirc) explaining more about how the incident happened if you're curious about the details beyond that short overview.
@Hannah_Em yes the navy fucked up. I think the Japanese did too
@@walterdavis4808beacon or not, they have radars and sonars to detect any vessels in all submarines. During exercises or war time, the submarine’s crew are supposed to be fully operational.
They really fucked it up resulting of killing civilians during peace time…
The coordination involved in such a complex undertaking was incredibly remarkable. It had to be much more complex than the floating of Concordia. This man in his customary black jacket is to be highly commendid for his work. I hope the families will be able to see this documentary in their native language & draw solace from it. Very well done sir! Your hard work is deeply appreciated!
Best, simple detailed video I’ve seen. Saved me from the horrible voice over with unnecessary information. Thank you.
Some of these comments about how the salvage was a “waste” disgust me. I work for one of the companies that was involved in the salvage and people need to understand the significance of being able to retrieve the bodies and personal effects for the sake of the survivor’s families. The incident was completely the United States’ fault, why would we not foot the bill and spend the money to try and make up for the tragedy we caused? Simply cutting an “apology” check would show an incredible lack of empathy for those who suffered a loss. Thank you Waterline Stories for making these in-depth videos about an often overlooked process and industry.
Well, I hope you have your therapist on speed dial, because:
It was a waste of time and money.
Okay….maybe, just maybe the Japanese people should pay for recovery of the bodies and personal belongings in the hulls of the ships and, also, salvage of the ships in Pearl Harbor after their sneak attack attack on the USA. I think that was significant…don’t you?
at almost 10 million dollars per person i think that money would have been better spent saving lives than recovering bodies. The only real value the salvage offered was a chance for the USN to practice salvage operations. Essentially using the tragedy as a chance for a naval exercise
I live here, and that money could be better spent on litrally preventing deaths. the navy really fucked up but you may have heard japan also has a history of sinking our ships
You ain't lying.
Trying to do right by the families of the victims is almost certainly a much more worthwhile use of the money/resources than pretty much anything the US Govt/Navy would likely have wasted it on.
It feels kind of unfinished not having found that one crew member but I imagine they went through the whole ship with a fine tooth comb. It was fascinating seeing the solutions they were able to come up with when they hit a problem.
I'm betting that when the ship sank that individual was either near and opening or on deck and was washed over board. Unfortunate but the ocean rarely gives up her dead so the fact that they found 8 is amazing.
Another great video. Really in depth, TH-cam geeks appreciate it!
😀 thanks
"Really in depth." Yes, it is 😎👆👉
Another excellent video. I always feel like I've learned something when I watch your videos. You are an excellent teacher.
Thanks
Much appreciation & respect to all those involved with this project.
Absolutely YES
well done to the salvage crew and divers ,,,, but shame on the sub captain for not knowing there was overhead traffic.
Huh, I don't recall ever hearing about this. Though to be fair in Feb 2001 the internet was a very different place and most of us still got our news from listening to the radio on our way to work, or in the local papers, or whatever CNN, Fox, ABC, or the local news thought was gonna get the best ratings. Tragic that this happened at all, but nice to know that the US actually went through with the salvage
Yet I still can't plan out my day in the morning 😂. Incredible work by everyone involved and thank you WS for sharing this with us!
0:25 I only watch your videos for the little jingle after the intro 😂 jk thanks for another great story as always brother!
Who doesn’t like a little jingle of the old bells eh?
It is a fabulous motif
SCUBA = Self-Contained Underwater Breathing Apparatus. (you forgot the 'underwater' part.) great video
Thank you for the wonderful story. Fascinating how the salvage companies can work out their solutions. Even though I still subscribe to Smit Salvage, they no longer put their recoveries on You Tube. Very disappointing.
The USS Greenville is a cursed boat.
A most interesting description of the salvage operation, of which I previously knew but not the technical details you have given here. I spent two days aboard Rockwater II at Keppel Batangas in 2001, when they preparing for this job. I was installing equipment unrelated to the salvage.
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Great video! Does anyone here remember the Discovery Channel documentary chronicling the recovery operations? It was Called "Raising the Ehime Maru" been looking for that documentary for years now
this was a crime scene, not an accident
What a great follow up from the original video you made, well done and thank you
Yay! A new video. Keep it up man. You are a great story teller and i love your approach and narrative
I feel lifting it onto a submersible dry dock ship would have been far less complex. But I'm no expert. It just seems like a lot of effort went into moving the ship, just to move it again to scuttle it, when one operation to raise it might have been less time consuming and not put dozens of divers at risk.
They really should have put you in charge!
It definitely would have been far less complex. You're right.
But you're not going to find any operation funded by the government or anyone for that matter, signing off on causing an oil spill to appease foreign citizens grieving family members.
This is The Hawaiian Islands. We're talking about an economy completely built off of tourism.
Oil spill is like a four letter word to these people.
Absolutely that would have been easier and the amount of oil that a ship of this size holds certainly is not going to be a an Exxon Valdez sized event,
but even a thousand gallons of 6 oil escaping into the currents around these islands would be a frickin' nightmare to try to clean up.
Trust me i've been cleaning up other people's oil spills for thirty years now. So without watching this video, which I haven't done yet, I can tell you, oil spill was probably the biggest thing that they were concerned with moving this thing everything else was second to that, no matter what the video says.
If there's a reasonable amount of suspicion that making that vessel completely buoyant without pumping out those fuel tanks and lube oil tanks that potentially still have product inside have the potential to leak into the Pacific.
Then it's simply not gonna be signed on by the coast guard or any regulatory body for that matter.
The biggest problem with refloating this ship would be the damage to the hull. Most ships that sink from hull damage are damaged on the side but this ship had damage under the keel. That mean it structural integrity is compromised. Imagine putting an empty bucket on underwater, then put a hole in it. Pull the bucket up to fast or to hard and the hole get bigger. Same applies here.
Wasn’t important enough unlike the Kursk
Fascinating video. Well done, sir.
Thanks
Nice job putting together video, pictures and graphics of the operation. Thankyou for always keeping it respectful for family and friends of the victims, you always do. I lost 2 friends in 2 different accidents on the water back in the 70's and I know how important it is for the recovery of the deceased, it gives family and friends a resting place to visit them.
I love your voice. It is so soothing. I listen to your videos to fall asleep to.
😀 sweet dreams 💤
I do that sometimes. I'll go to his site, find a playlist and hit "play all." Crazy, how even disasters can be soothing...😂🌹⚓
I wouldn't know how to feel about this lol
for me, it's Mike from 'That Chapter' true crime channel. Hehhe. I come here for the good stuff and this particular video was very detailed.
Well done, thanks. And this time your pronunciation is spot on.
Regards.
Imagine the odds... with the size of the ocean.. that a submarine and ship should meet up like that
They were in the waters surrounding a populous island with constant traffic. A bit more like lobbing a cannon ball into a public campsite in the off season, there's enough room to miss most of the time but you can't assume there's nothing in the direction you're pointed unless you have a spotter.
@@nonamenoname1133Ask Mythbusters about the odds - they had exactly that problem when a cannon they built malfunctioned.
Cool, I used to work for subsea 7, had no idea we were involved in this. Admittedly it was long before I was working
I find myself waiting for a new vid to drop 😊 love your work 👍🏻
Great video as always
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@@waterlinestoriesreally incredible how they were able to do all of this 600m under the water only with ROVs
Oh I remember the first video, these 2nd like follow-up salvage stories are really cool, kind of helps add a little extra "what happened afterwards" story.
I’m surprised the Philippine government was willing to help the Japanese government at all. I guess the Filipinos are the bigger person.
As a union entertainment rigger for 35 years I found this fascinating, thank you.
Your excellent video has attracted some comments about 'positioning beacon'. Maybe they are referring to AIS. If so, the commenters could perhaps remember this incident was in 2001, while AIS started being installed on ships over 3000grt in 2003, and Ehime Maru was certainly not equipped.
Thank you for uploading this. What a tedious salvage. The things we can do now, though, would be witchcraft to early explorers. Incredible feat of engineering to get this project accomplished. And we can do it on a daily basis.
Yes it is inedible. And fascinating
@waterlinestories inedible🤣 😘
Oh bugger. Well I’m just gonna leave it like that now. 😂
Mariners know no borders when their colleagues are lost. A vast amount of money and effort but worth every penny to all those who were affected by the accident. 😢
Even if I was related to someone on the boat this is an obscene amount for 8 dead bodies and some personal effects.
That's some cold, cold reasoning. I think it's more than just dollars and cents for most individuals. We waste a lot of money for a lot less return, than closure for a greiving family. We made the mess, we should clean it up as best as can be done.@@CAHSR2020
@@CAHSR2020 Yepper, I know what you mean. Let's give a belated misappropiaton of tax dollars. That 60mil could have been better spent to fund universal health care😅
@ I think that diplomacy was at play too. Japan is a stratecally placed ally and long term friend and I believe that surfacing in this manner into a vessel is tantamount to gross negligence. It’s only taxpayers hard earned money and I suppose that it was good practice for retrieval of a lost sub, god forbid.
@@firstlast1047lol I’m sorry, but universal healthcare? We spend 1.8 TRILLION per YEAR, providing free healthcare now. 60 million, would provide a whole whopping 17 minutes of healthcare. Now let’s make healthcare free for everyone. If it costs 1.8 TRILLION now, it would cost 3-4 TRILLION then, so that 60 million would get you like 5-10 minutes worth of free healthcare 😂
Yay new video, i always listen to your channel when coding as background noise.
It's also very interesting learning about other things.
🤣 enjoy
Wow! Mind blowing engineering. How did you get all that in there? Once again told with perfect detail and pace.
Truly an impressive task. Amazing. Thanks for the story, mate. Take care, fair winds
Thanks. And to you. 👍🏻
Really? Background noise? Some put so much effort to make a video, and it is just a soothing noise for you?
Incredibly competent operation.
So there are a couple things about this situation. I want to get out first just as my own like personal opinion. And this fact number one, they were running a emergency ballas. Tank blow drill. It was not an actual emergency. They were running this drill, not for training purposes, but they were running this drill to demonstrate 2 civilians on board the vessel. It's something that should never have taken place and under normal circumstances.Wouldn't have
Humans, when we have the will, we find a way. Amazing accomplishment!
Oh monsieur presenter, you are really spoiling us wis zees maritime tales! I'm gonna get you new goggles and flippers for Christmas! 🤣
🎁 I do love a good goggle and flipper. 🤣
Lifting the flooded vessel while it remains in the water entrained within the ship doesn't add to the lifting load. Its only when lifting the ship clear of the water that the flood water comes into play. The divers shown in the video are surface supplied. I've personally done surface supplied dive down to the 300 foot range, in commercial diving surface supplied is generally preferred method, a scuba tank can run out if the diver gets stuck. Surface supplied doesn't have that issue
Very interesting, thank you!
A tragedy. How did the sub NOT know they would ascend into a surface ship????
They didn’t look.
The submarine sonar was out of service.
That’s why the captain is looking for other employment.
@@allangibson8494 sonar wasn't out of service, only a repeater screen was. Sonar lost the picture after all the high speed manoeuvres they did, and command failed to take the appropriate amount of time for sonar to regain the picture.
Once a submarine exceeds about 10knots sonar is blind because of lamina flow and the noise it generates. And failing to do a standard 30-60-30 clearing of the baffles meant that sonar only had basic information about S12, S13 and S14
60 million is a small price to pay for friendship and collaboration with our allies after an unfortunate incident
i believe one of the animation was wrong because... the recovery vessel was 'beaming' his way and the Ehime Maru was perpendicular to it, wich would make it go bow first or somewhat 'normal'. But the animation just after you say that shows the Ehime Maru beaming in the water. Oh well, just a detail
Nice video Harlow
Why do all their ships end in the name “Maru“?
It means "ship".
It's sort of like our designation of MV for motor vessel or FV for fishing vessel
@@MesaperProductions SV for sailing vessel
Maru, in Japanese means circle. However with regards to ships it means, "That which is proved to float". After all, those clever chaps who do the mathematics and design might get something wrong, resulting in an unpleasant incident at the launch.
"Maru" was a figure in Japanese mythology(Hakudo Maru) who taught humans the skill of ship building, and the suffix is supposedly used to incur his favor.
It is specifically used for merchant ships. Military vessels don’t use that suffix.
Research and presentation. Thanks.
Awesome video
👍🏻 thanks
Amazing what engineers can do
I wonder if this will help raise the Bayesian?
So, they lifted the wreck from 610m depth, carry it into shallow water and later scuttle it in 2500m depth? Why scuttle it again?
Shallow water may become an uncharted hazard because heavy storms can cause the wreck to drift off. Also, 100+ ft is within amature diving depth limit so its best not to allow "tourist" divers.
@@thatinventionsus imagine losing a family member, then spending millions to disturb their grave and then sinking it so deep that nobody can visit it to pay respects or bring attention to their memory. what must be these people's priorities that they want to waste so much money just so they can watch others mess with their dead relatives remains and bring up nothing of value except a couple souvenirs?
@@martintomasek6097They recovered the bodies before sinking it in deep water.
@@martintomasek6097 this is just one person's guess - the family members appreciate $ spent to recover the dead, which they did, and to give a proper burial.
When you are learning to drive in an empty store parking lot. That one light pole, is very easy to hit.
Not sure why my comment had disappeared. Wanted to request a video on the deepest saturation dive. Remember you mentioning at that preasure air acts almost as a liquid.
Like your channel a lot. Not sure why my comment was deleted.
Thanks. I’ll add it to the list to research. I’m not sure what happened to your comment before. I haven’t seen it.
@@waterlinestories thank you and no worries. I've tried to find info on the subject but I've been disappointed.
Short answer. Air, like any other gas, becomes more dense when subjected to increasing pressure. If you are referring to engineering applications there's not too much difference in using pressurised air industrially until you start to drastically cool the air down to the critical temperature of its components, nitrogen and oxygen, whilst increasing the pressure. This occurs at approximately -118°C and 49.6 atm for O2, and. -195.8°C and 33.5 ATM for N2 (the values vary according to the source). This is why air does not liquefy when pressuring dive cylinders, as the temperature is too high. When I was a research technician I used a lot of liquid nitrogen and I used to collect it from the crogenics plant on campus, where I had the process explained to me by the operator. But that was a long time ago and I stand to be corrected. I'm sure somebody will provide the long answer involving crogenics and Pascal's Law.
God bless all those people who lost their lives and God bless there family's.
15:06 is that an "OUCH" written on that wooden thingy?
Accidents are something we strive to minimize, but it’s not always easy. What’s important is how we handle the aftermath to alleviate the pain for those left behind and make their lives a little easier. However, this is how one might act towards an allied nation. There are far worse things that governments dare not acknowledge.
just one question at 6:48 you show a Sub Lieutenant and a Leading Seaman from HMAS Warramunga FFH 152. Either you assume that all navies are the same or you cant identify between Royal Australian navy and the United States Navy, and I dont remember HMAS Warramunga taking part in this operation.
Good point. Typical really bad editing (once again) on a TH-cam video.
Have a loolipop...
@@10_rds_Fire_For_Effect I watched another video in this series, where he was describing what and how it happened. In that one he showed UK RN's at a fire control panel.
And then he also makes the mistake like everyone does on how submarines use their sonar. Submarines don't go around pinging their sonar they use passive sonar 99.9% of the time. Otherwise if we were pinging all the time the point of having a submarine is lost.
However in this case where the sub wasn't sure of S12, S13 and S14 using active sonar would have helped by clearing up the picture
@@lennycottinghamit's not a matter of having a loolpop (actually spelt lollipop) it's a matter of presenting correct information and doing your research
@Frauditor-Watch actually I spelt it loolipop....both wrong but this guy does good videos and just happens to have to use stock footage or b roll footage at times...
I just noticed your "dumbwaiter" avatar so that explains a lot....🍭
An amazing operation.
Reminds me abit about the Salvage of HMS Ulven in 1943.
Ulven hit a German mine inside Swedish waters and was lost with all 33 souls onboard and was found on 52 meters depth.
She was raised completly with similar tactics as they used here and slowly moved towards grounder waters until they copletly raised her and took her to Gothenburg to be drydocked.
Sweden Would later on also raise atleast one German Submarine with the same tactics after the war.
Interesting, thanks 👌
That was an extremely good incite full video 👍👍🇦🇺
Not sure if feasible or worth doing, but could dry docks be constructed in a way that salvaged ships could be dragged into them. So that the ships might be repaired fully and get another life or just recycled? This already seemed very costly and labour intensiv so i guess not really worth it from a monitary perspective.
Your videos are amazingly detailed but very easy to understand. Your commentary to extremely clear and very easy to listen to. Thanks for presenting these remarkable stories.
Thanks, that’s the aim
Yes, the cost is a lot,but the information,experience and knowledge gained is priceless. That,together with empathy for the loved ones lost,is why its done.
😂 Ha! Facts no longer matter. It's either outrage or playing the victim these days.
Fascinating! Thanks for your continued content!
👍🏻
So was the navy submarine found liable and were families and the ships owners compensated for their losses
60mi, that was cheap.
thought that said ishimura for a second 😶😬🥴
This should never have even been considered. It's not the "government's money." It's not the "navy's money." It's the taxpayer money. While tragic, this is something the US Government wouldn't even do for its own people and rightfully so.
"Experimental" for government and private business at the expense of neither of them, rather the taxpayer. Classic.
Wow, never knew the Japanese cared so much about human remains and personal effects.
Why is this video showing footage of Royal Australian Navy at 6:48 ? What involvement does the RAN have in this? Or is it the usual case of typical bad editing, common on TH-cam?
Interesting video.
I’d rather US money going to this rather than war
Great channel. Educating and lots of class. The tech used in these jobs is incredible. Underwater ROVS are awesome.
Much appreciated!
That BOT is on many channels
What bot? Don't see any.
Thankyou so much for your incredible research and effort with your videos.
Thanks 👍🏻
The odds must be huge that you will be hit by a sub surfacing? Don't subs have super sensitive scanning equipment, etc? Even in an emergency, wouldn't the sub check for traffic ?
I always enjoy your stories, thank you
That would be an awesome job.
Fascinating !!
great video such a shame for the crew that were lost
I wonder if the Russians would have agreed to do this salvage if was one of their subs.
Why didn’t they use Hughes glomar explorer. Lol
Because the Glomar Explorer was scrapped in 2015.
I thought this happen in the 2000s. But I was joking
And all this expensive, wonderfully clever salvage work all because of one smug captain's slack attendance to safe surfacing procedures -- not to mention 9 dead and a bunch of injured, traumatised, compensated people. And what did he get? An honourable discharge from the Navy. FKN SHAMEFUL.
I get that there is death involved but they already made the biggest job of moving the wreck from the debts into easier to work area, so why not just haul it up into floating shipyard to be patched enough to move it to be wrecked and those hundreds of tons of scrap metal be going into use, instead sinking it so deep that i dont believe it even works as artificial reef. Just utter fucking waste of time and money...
Insane how much work to get it to shallow of 100 feet. They should have raised it completely and put it on a barge or dry dock. They were almost done.
Fresh hair cut
Don't subs radar overhead to make sure they don't crash into something when they surface?
It was a training exercise/demo to VIPs and lots of mistakes were made on the sub. His video about the incident explains it all.
Radar isn’t used under water so, no. There is sonar and mistakes were made however this was also a freak accident. Imagine you go camping in the middle of the woods. It’s just you and no humans for miles. You leave your tent at night to pee and in the darkness stumble upon another tent that popped up after you slept.
The sonar was out of service. The USS Greenville had “maintenance issues” and hadn’t finished repairs when the demonstration run was scheduled.
I wish I could say with any confidence that Japan would do this if the roles were reversed; seems like a multimillion dollar government appeasement operation.
Why the hell were we letting civilians even somewhat control a nuclear submarine?!
Of all of the US Militaries screw ups this seems the most avoidable through basic confidentially. I mean, we didnt even know about a search for the Thresher and Scorpion, it was classified. But the internal workings of a nuclear submarine that's intact isn't?
Good fqin going, and may god give grace to the families of those who were lost.
Which God, I'm betting Odin.
Why were civilians somewhat in control of a nuclear submarine?... Money.
They werent in control. They were simply present for the drill
I enjoy this channel a lot. If you could find a way to record in a less echoy place and improve your mic it would do a lot to make the videos more accessible and easier to listen to in my opinion.
Thanks for your hard work and keep em coming!
You sound really soft.
Please remove the film reel transition crescendo sound from future videos
Oef that was a huge undertaking. Thank you for your video 🤘
Good afternoon, my favorite u-tube fella. You tell us some of the most interesting or scariest water stories. And you look good and sound so good telling us the facts. It's amazing that when these guys got issues, they figured out how to fix them or work around them. Another great tale, Paul. Wish you and your family a very merry Christmas 🍾🎄🎉🎁
Thanks Beverly. I hope you’re having a great celebration too. 🎉
Fascinating process, but a huge waste of money. Accidents happen and victims families should be compensated. All those millions could have gone to the families of the innocent victims of imperial Japanese war crimes. I guess we should have pressured Japan to salvage our ships and sailors lost to their brutal aggression in WW2.
WOW.