NTSB Animation - In-Flight Collision During Air Show Accident Animation

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  • This animated reconstruction documents the in-flight collision between a Boeing B-17 and a Bell P-63 at the Wings Over Dallas air show put on by the Commemorative Air Force. The collision occurred about 1:22 p.m. central standard time on November 12, 2022, at the Dallas Executive Airport in Dallas, Texas.
    The sequence of events was reconstructed from Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) Automatic Dependent Surveillance-Broadcast (ADS-B) data and data recorded on an Avidyne unit in the B-17, air boss radio communication, video, and aircraft performance data. The animation includes audio replay of air boss radio communications and a transcript of the radio communications. The animation also includes audio narration.
    The animation begins with pictures of the two accident airplanes. A Google Earth satellite image of the airport is used to indicate the position of the air boss, the location of crowd, show lines along which the airplanes were expected to fly that were 500 feet and 1,000 feet from the crowd, and runway 13/31.
    The view zooms out to a wider-scale Google Earth satellite image of the airport and its vicinity; the image is rendered in grayscale to minimize contrast with the airplane ground tracks. The airplane ground tracks were derived from ADS-B or the B-17’s Avidyne data and are shown as colored lines extending to a symbol identifying the position of each airplane. The airplane positions are initially shown in a still image at 1:20 p.m. (or 13:20 using a 24-hour format) with ground tracks starting from 1:19:15 p.m. (13:19:15).
    A legend on the left side of the screen shows the nine airplanes being directed by the air boss listed in three blocks, which are labeled as a bomber group, a fighter formation and a revenue flight. Each airplane is correlated with a path presented as a separate colored line: magenta for the B-17 (the lead bomber); yellow for the B-24; purple for the SB-2C; green for the first B-25; no line is shown for the trailing B-25, which was not broadcasting position data; sky blue for the first P-51 (the lead fighter); blue for the second P-51; orange for the P-63; and brown for the PT-17. Symbols of the same colors indicate the current position of each airplane with the lines forming trailing ground tracks. The symbols for the colliding airplanes (the B-17 and the P-63) are circles; the symbols for the other airplanes are squares.
    Photographs of the nine airplanes are displayed sequentially in the center of the screen, with lines connecting the photograph to the legend entry for each airplane. Narration identifies each airplane with the full model designation, the common name and the radio call sign for the lead airplanes and the revenue flight. The bomber group was led by the accident B-17G Flying Fortress (Texas Raiders on the radio), followed by a B-24 Liberator, an SB-2C Helldiver, one B-25J Mitchell and a second B-25J Mitchell. The fighter formation was led by a P-51D Mustang (Gunfighter on the radio), followed by a P-51C Mustang, and the accident fighter, a P-63F Kingcobra. Last was the passenger-carrying revenue flight that landed on runway 31 shortly before the collision, a Boeing PT-17 (Quebec on the radio).
    Altitude above ground is shown in text next to the legend for the two colliding airplanes: the B-17 and the P-63. The time is shown in 24-hour format at the top of the screen. The transcript of the air boss radio communications is displayed in text on the right side of the screen. Audio of the radio communications between the air boss and the pilots begins about 13:19. Real-time animation of the airplane symbols and trailing ground tracks begins at 13:20, along with the air boss radio communications and transcript and updates to the altitude text data for the B-17 and P-63 in 10-foot increments. Leading up to the collision, the symbols for the airplanes move from south of the airport to the north and begin to turn west to fly parallel to runway 31. Altitude tags recording the altitudes of the B-17 and the P-63 are connected to the ground tracks of those airplanes at 13:21:25 (B-17 at 740 feet, P-63 at 1,600 feet) and at 13:21:45 (B-17 at 430 feet, P-63 at 540 feet). The location of the in-flight collision is highlighted with a red circle at 13:21:54, at an altitude of 220 feet above ground level.
    The animation is followed by a video of the collision taken from the area of the crowd. The video starts with the B-17 and the P-63 circled and labeled about 4 seconds before the impact. Five other airplanes are also visible in the video. The left bank of the P-63 obscured the pilot’s view of the B-17, and the B-17 pilot likely did not see the P-63 as it came from behind the B-17’s left wing. The video is stopped at the point of impact. All five people on board the B-17 and the pilot of the P-63 were fatally injured.

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  • @Wes_Jones
    @Wes_Jones 13 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +105

    The radio calls from the airboss seem pretty chaotic and confusing.

    • @dbaider9467
      @dbaider9467 7 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +8

      Apparently it was his way or the highway type mentality. He wasn't in control of the airspace at all and this happened. Why the new rules and regulations took so long to get implemented is all down to "a culture of arrogance" within certain circles. It's a shame that people have to die to wake people up to what everybody was commenting on for a few years. (This is sketchy AF, etc)

    • @MrJeffcoley1
      @MrJeffcoley1 2 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +4

      @@Wes_Jones He was completely unqualified, he got the job because his dad did it before him. He fancied himself an air traffic controller - which he wasn’t. Not even close. Air Boss is NOT supposed to be making the calls he was giving.

  • @christopherrobinson7541
    @christopherrobinson7541 12 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +67

    The airboss, was winging it.

  • @GenJackOneill
    @GenJackOneill 6 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +26

    IMO, the air boss got those people killed, and deserves jail time. Unacceptable to just wing it like that.

    • @cypilotiowan4761
      @cypilotiowan4761 4 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +3

      Exactly. Thought the same the minute the audio was made public. Reckless disregard for life.

    • @Deano.1978
      @Deano.1978 2 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +3

      He wasn't an experienced air boss apparently, but got gigs because of his dad who was a well respected air boss.

    • @beenaplumber8379
      @beenaplumber8379 2 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +2

      Does anybody know if there's a recording online of a competent air boss coordinating a similar flight? I'd like to know what a normal show sounds like, because as someone who's never flown with an air boss in charge or even heard transmissions from an air boss except when things go wrong, I have no basis to know how this compares other than comments here. I've read lots of comments and seen Blancolirio's video, but I'd like to understand for myself. Suggestions?

    • @ahalfsesameseedbun7472
      @ahalfsesameseedbun7472 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@Deano.1978 So it's exactly like the gun situation with Alec Baldwin. Got the job because their parent is well known.

  • @smedleyx
    @smedleyx 12 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +43

    airboss directions reminded me of a caller at a square dance, i.e. sounded like he was making up the moves on the fly
    that's great for improv practice on stage, but these are aircraft near an audience
    I wonder if the FAA is simply understaffed, because they're evidently not able to keep up adequate oversight on all aircraft activities

  • @Wizzler2112
    @Wizzler2112 12 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +29

    I wouldn't trust the airboss to clean my windshield. Absolutely appalling on his end and tragic no one called knock it off or better yet raised a voice during the pre show brief.

  • @profile5
    @profile5 10 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +68

    20 years from now: “why is there all of this unnecessary regulation on flight shows?”

    • @dermick
      @dermick 10 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +20

      So true. Over time we tend to forget that these kinds of rules and regulations are "written in blood."

    • @imbok
      @imbok 6 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +2

      20 years from now: "Why haven't we had any catastrophic fatal accidents in airshows since that CAF crash?"

    • @james-faulkner
      @james-faulkner 4 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      Now: "why is there there not more regulation in airshows to protect the public?"

    • @MrJeffcoley1
      @MrJeffcoley1 2 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +2

      DERP, we need more regulations, DERP DERP DERP!
      REEEEEEEEEEE!!!!

  • @Rob-fy9iw
    @Rob-fy9iw 4 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +10

    The directions from the air boss are confusing to me when I'm sitting and watching this on a screen. Imagine getting those instructions as you're trying to fly a frikkin P-63 under 500 ft with your eyes out looking for the other aircraft, knowing you have no height separation. Limits of human performance alright.

  • @C420sailor
    @C420sailor 7 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +9

    How was this stuff not thoroughly prebriefed? The air boss should not have been talking NEARLY this much!!! This is absolutely awful coordination…as a former fighter pilot I can’t believe that this is standard for an airshow performance, my god. This is almost criminal.
    Also, fighters entering the bomber block without the requisite SA…terrible.

  • @_Joy_Unleashed
    @_Joy_Unleashed 14 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +43

    This air boss broke a lot of rules. He should be in jail.

    • @cuteswan
      @cuteswan 12 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +17

      AOPA's _Air Safety Institute_ channel did a couple of videos on this incident, and they don't have any kind word's for him. At the very least I hope no one ever puts him in that position again.

    • @amandak.4246
      @amandak.4246 5 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +5

      i agree. seems like negligent homicide

    • @beenaplumber8379
      @beenaplumber8379 2 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +3

      Does anybody know if there's a recording online of a competent air boss coordinating a similar flight? I've read lots of comments and seen Blancolirio's video, but I'd like to understand the comparison for myself. Suggestions?

  • @scowell
    @scowell 6 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +8

    The air boss got the job because his daddy did it. It was all ad-hoc AF.

  • @dmclegg66
    @dmclegg66 7 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +20

    The ntsb needs to learn from the CSB how to make a animation.

    • @sfmc98
      @sfmc98 3 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +7

      They also need to hire the same voiceover guy!

  • @DataRew
    @DataRew 10 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +18

    I was under the impression from blancolerio that there was a pre-briefing for the airshow, but that the airshow boss decided to disregard it and change the plan. Is that a mistaken impression?

    • @JoshSaunders0
      @JoshSaunders0 3 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      I'm seeing multiple other comments saying something similar so I think you might be correct

    • @quivalla
      @quivalla 3 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +3

      The wording in this presentation does not exclude a briefing but rather stating "lack of an adequate prebriefed... The key word adequate. So it wasn't good enough for min standards.

  • @bixster2260
    @bixster2260 5 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +5

    This air boss was an accident waiting to happen. It was not a question of if but when. Pilots that should have raised concerns did not.

  • @NealB123
    @NealB123 8 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +12

    Don't use an incompetent airboss. Problem solved.

    • @k53847
      @k53847 5 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

      Well, his dad was competent. Nobody running the CAF willing to say that his son was not. And the CAF apparently retaliated against anyone who complained.

  • @maxtanicgaming
    @maxtanicgaming 11 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +6

    Lack of awareness off the charts regarding the Airboss but much more here than just him. Not having an enforced altitude split between the types is shocking much less the clear unorganized & unprofessional communication. First rule of formation flying is aircraft closing is ALWAYS below the aircraft being intercepted. Obviously so you can see the airplane you are closing on. RIP

  • @markmalasics3413
    @markmalasics3413 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    This is a great video, exactly the same as the other 12 I've seen on YT over the last 2 years. Everybody's an expert.

  • @MrJeffcoley1
    @MrJeffcoley1 2 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +7

    Glad to see the NTSB so prompt with this report. Just over 2 years to explain an accident that aviation TH-camrs comprehensively covered and explained within a week of the occurrence

    • @tomwilson1006
      @tomwilson1006 2 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +2

      The gubament NEVER does anything quickly.

    • @TheEDFLegacy
      @TheEDFLegacy 45 นาทีที่ผ่านมา +3

      They have to be thorough. And most TH-camrs won't be correct.

    • @wildgoose419
      @wildgoose419 37 นาทีที่ผ่านมา +3

      Being fast does nobody any good. NTSB must get ALL their facts right, not just a few pieces information of what some people think. Gathering true facts accurately takes a lot of time, and there are no shortcuts. Don't knock on the people who had to be burdened to do things right. If anything, knock on the people who created the situation that required years of work.

    • @theREALdingusMD
      @theREALdingusMD 36 นาทีที่ผ่านมา

      TH-camrs are concerned first and foremost with getting clicks, not providing accurate, in-depth information.

  • @FranktheDachshund
    @FranktheDachshund 4 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +5

    I would think the whole show would have been choreographed and burned into memory prior to takeoff. Airboss seemed like he wanted to make himself a much bigger part of the show than he was.

  • @graememonie468
    @graememonie468 29 นาทีที่ผ่านมา

    Absolutely unbelievable!

  • @Mike_Greentea
    @Mike_Greentea 3 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +3

    Air boss needs to go to prison along with the organizers

  • @publicmail2
    @publicmail2 12 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +8

    Air boss??

  • @mangos2888
    @mangos2888 12 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +4

    This is that crash that went viral 😢 for recording from the mcdonalds parking lot

  • @CalMariner
    @CalMariner 8 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +3

    What a cluster.

  • @MetroplexAerials
    @MetroplexAerials 9 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +6

    Ok, I was there. Some commentary on the video, with time stamps... First off, 0:30 - the dot is not the correct location. The dot is shown on the closed runway, 17/35, when in fact it was east of that dot on Taxiway A just north of A4.

    • @MetroplexAerials
      @MetroplexAerials 9 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +2

      0:39 The crowd was NW of the location shown. The area labeled "Crowd" was mostly a hot ramp, extending from the gate south of the Terminal area all the way to Ambassador Jet Center.

    • @MetroplexAerials
      @MetroplexAerials 9 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +2

      2:15 no, the fighters generally don't fly at 1000' - if you know this airshow, you know that they would fly higher passes for a bit simulating "top cover" for the bombers, then fly low photo passes and "strafing runs" sometimes with pyro.

  • @canlib
    @canlib 8 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

    Scary and terrifying.The horror

  • @ZeroSpawn
    @ZeroSpawn 2 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

    Aviation rules are written in blood.

  • @MyGoogleYoutube
    @MyGoogleYoutube 11 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +2

    If the bombers were to be on the 1000 foot line and fighters on the 500 foot line for the first pass why fly a pattern that requires crossing of paths in order to do the same for the second pass?
    Was this why the bombers were at a higher altitude and the fighters at a lower altitude?

  • @davidsakal449
    @davidsakal449 9 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

    Was any video recovered from the GoPros?

  • @greygoregoose
    @greygoregoose 10 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    11/12/2022 at 1:22.... weird number pattern here

  • @tonyfitty8580
    @tonyfitty8580 12 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +3

    11/12/22 at 1:22pm…
    🧐

    • @profile5
      @profile5 10 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      They don’t even match bro lol

    • @big_beak
      @big_beak 5 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@profile5I see a 1-2-2 in the middle of the date.

    • @beenaplumber8379
      @beenaplumber8379 2 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      @@big_beak It's obviously an Illuminati code. They use air crashes as their written language now.

  • @maestrovso
    @maestrovso 3 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    The air boss was flying by the seat of is pants.

  • @jfkastner
    @jfkastner 3 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Today's Tech should be able to track 6 or 7 AC in real Time and keep them separated by 100 ft

  • @boossersgarage3239
    @boossersgarage3239 7 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

    FFS, what a clusterfk

  • @james-faulkner
    @james-faulkner 4 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Reminds me of the armourer that got the director of the movie killed because she failed to keep control of the weapons. Just because your father did it does not mean you will be good at it. Nepotism kills!

    • @danielmacpherson1630
      @danielmacpherson1630 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

      a stupid actor that thinks he is a gun expert when he really is an ignoramus did not help.

  • @KathrynsWorldWildfireTracking
    @KathrynsWorldWildfireTracking ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    _Alright, plan is for you fighters to cross in front of the bombers, at the same altitude..._
    Me if I was there: _Say what!?_
    Who thought this was a good plan?

  • @MegaSunspark
    @MegaSunspark 5 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Too much talking by air boos, confusing everybody. Must keep instructions short. Give short separate instructions for each operation instead of long stories on the radio. I heard that after the pre briefing, many pilots walked out, not fully understanding what the game plan was.

  • @robappeldorn2162
    @robappeldorn2162 3 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    When they run out of B17's there wont be anymore crashes.

  • @colinmerritt7645
    @colinmerritt7645 7 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    I'm not expert...but a bunch of WW II aircraft without modern alarm systems shouldn't be packed that tightly together. As the commentator said, their fuselages probably stopped them from seeing each other.

    • @Rob-fy9iw
      @Rob-fy9iw 5 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

      Yup. Usually they'd be separated laterally and by altitude to address that risk, but that wasn't properly prebriefed for this airshow. The airboss actually directed the fighters to cross in front of the B-17, hence the P-63 hitting it. Absolute cluster.

  • @ShadowXII
    @ShadowXII 34 นาทีที่ผ่านมา

    I don't accept this result. I really don't appreciate a junior air boss being thrown under the bus to protect Craig Hutain's reputation. I guess it's okay to collide with a larger, right-of-way aircraft that you knew was there with an aircraft with notoriously difficult vision as long as you weren't specifically told not to.

  • @KeithRowley
    @KeithRowley 4 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    I'm not a pilot or airboss... but if the airboss was such an amateur, then why didn't any of the pilots call him out?

  • @Jimmythefish577
    @Jimmythefish577 2 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    2024 and they’re only now talking about risk assessments? The whole ‘air boss’ thing should be scrapped, there’s no way one person standing on a platform can possibly manage multiple aircraft going at different speeds all using the same radio channel.

  • @dunnkruger8825
    @dunnkruger8825 6 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    These guys believe they are Tom cruises and jimmy stewart

  • @davidfreiboth1360
    @davidfreiboth1360 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Now watch the "too much government regulation" crowd either fight implementation of the recommendations and/or insure that the FAA lacks the funding to implement the recommended safety enhancements.

  • @phillipmcmurran8991
    @phillipmcmurran8991 11 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

    Who was the Air Boss

    • @tomwilson1006
      @tomwilson1006 9 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +7

      An absolute clown.

    • @davidfarmerracing
      @davidfarmerracing 5 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

      The old air boss’s son I believe….untrained

  • @edwin3928ohd
    @edwin3928ohd 2 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

    this was on blancolirio about 43,400 years ago. how is this useful at this point? going into 2025 in less than 2 weeks. what really is the point of wasting tax dollars at this point?

  • @edwin3928ohd
    @edwin3928ohd 2 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

    this was on blancolirio like 73 years ago. you this is a useless video at this point. how much of our tax dollars did it take?

  • @orlandopockets6372
    @orlandopockets6372 5 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

    only thing that matters in murica is profit.