Wonderful piece of information! Having lived in Chennai since 1977 and now being stationed in Tirupati due to my official work, this episode resonates deeply with me. The historical and cultural connections between Chennai and Tirupati come to life through this narration. Truly captivating-thank you Sir!
As much as Thirutthani Subramanya Swamy is the kuladaivam for many Telugus. People in all these regions intermingled and lived as one. Little did they know that in future PPL would fight on ownership based on state borders or language.
Sriram, greetings from an erstwhile resident of Graems-pet/greemspet/girimpeta in Chittoor! I enjoyed this episode. As you are no doubt aware, there's a lot more to be said about this connection - e.g.: the early paper manuscripts of annamacharya compositions that were brought to madras by sadhu subrahmanya sastry from tirumala, and lost in a fire in the city, delaying substantially their first publication!
Fascinating facts! You’ve presented the content with such depth and historical insight, making it easier to both understand and appreciate our past. It’s clear how much time and effort went into this, and you’ve truly made history !! come alive !!
Another interesting coincidence - the original presiding deity of the Govindaraja Swamy Temple in Lower Tirupati is Parthasarathy. The presiding deity of Chennai's Parthasarathy Temple , the Moolavar is Venkata-krishnan.
Superb episode with rare information. Wish to recall your previous episode on Aviation history of Madras & as a follow up , request you to do a episode about the WWII Airstrips that were constructed by British government in Sholavaram,Tanjore, Ulundurpet , Chettinad, Sulur ..and 8 more places across India. It was done by legendary Engineer US Ramasundaram and constructed by erstwhile civil contractors like AK Ranganatha Iyer etc. We don't have full information about these land mark infra projects . I'm sure it will be a big hit . Thank you sir.
You missed a very imp part of history....The Tirumalai Tirupati Temple was built by the Tamizh Chola king Tondaiman Chakravarthy.....Goddess Padmathy was his niece.The father of Padmavathy was Akasa Rajan.
Tamils lost Tirumalai temple which was originally built pallava thondaiman king..the hundreds of tamil inscriptions on the walls of the moolavar itself is proof of that....disunity amongst tamils cost many things for us
Tirupati Tirumala was never part of Tamil Nadu. All the South States(except Telangana) were combined as Madras presidency. Later they were re-organised as per the linguistic basis. Thanks!
Sorry Sir, till March, 1959 Tiruttani with A.P, after a big fight leaders like Ma.Po.Si and Mr Vinayagam Tiruttani added in Madras State wef 1st April 1959. If i am wrong, please purden me. I was school student on that time in Tiruttani.
Yes, Tamil Nadu gave some areas like sathyavedu, nagalapuram, pichathur and some villages to Andhra and brought back tiruttani, pallipattu and some villages..
Thirupati/Thirumala might have a stronger connection with TN of today. I say this because the prefix ‘Thiru’ is of Tamil origin rather than of Telugu/Sanskrit. But how should this matter for the devotees.
The word Thiru was existing in ancient Telugu, there is a reference for this word from the Coinage of "Andhra Satavahana" rulers which mentioned the then rulers name as "Thiru Pulumavi", and we still have few villages which have names starting with "Thiru" as their prefix, one of the examples is Thiruvuru which is a village/small town in Central Coastal Andhra, far away from Tamilnadu. So you cannot just strike out the history by the current days language structure/vocabulary. Thiru was as much as a Telugu word a 1000 years ago.
@@surya.mp-right bro, Tirupati Tirumala was never part of Tamil Nadu. All the South States(except Telangana) were combined as Madras presidency. Later they were re-organised as per linguistic basis. Thanks!
There’s nothing wrong with eating non-veg. Even Sri Rama consumed deer meat. It is clearly written in Ramayana. Long live the brotherhood of the Tamils and Telugu.
Telugus coming here and aggressively now making anti Tamil remarks not only here but in many other forums, without reading proper history or knowing facts is very deplorable. Many think that now that Telugu states are economically progressive and currently Telugu cinema is doing well, like some new rich, they can pick on the far more ancient Tamil language and culture and on the Tamil people and to it very aggressively. Not all Telugus but a lot. Chennai, Thirupathy, Thirumalai are all ancient Tamil lands and just because Telugus came in numbers and settled in these areas, during the British Raj for economic and job opportunities from further north including Chittoor, Nellor, does not mean these are Telugu areas. The Tamil leaders other than Rajaji were quite weak and gave in easily, therefore Tamils lost many of their border lands to Kerala, Andhra and Karnataka. Thirupathi temple was built by ancient Tamil kings the Cholas and Pallava and all the ancient inscriptions there are in Tamil and not in Telugu. The names Thirupathy. Thirumalai, Nellor, Chittoor are all pure Tamil place names. Not Sanskrit or Telugu. Calling a great elderly Tamil statesman Rajaji as a characterless person, shows the caliber and character of the person who commented. Just because he rightly stood firm with regards to the city of Chennai being retained for the Tamils.
Chittoor, nellore, chennapatanam were high in telugu speaking people from long time since their were no proper telugu king and tamil kings built them so they wrote tamil inscriptions rather than telugu. Lands were owned by telugus under tamil kingdom. Come on bro still we have highest temples in India why to cry over one temple, we should remember their contribution also for that temple. We better temples with great architecture. As we know tamils capital was madurai from ancient time chennai was developed by telugus for themselves after state reorganization they went capital less. Remember tamils also suppressed telugu language to end.
@@b.chithvilas-11th-bio The Telugu population only moved to these areas after the British rule or during the British Indian company for employment and economic prospects from further north. Please read history properly before posting and it will be much appreciated. This was the reason most of the land was owned by the Tamil landlords in these areas before the state bifurcation, as the Tamils were native and the Telugu recent immigrants, but they came and swamped this orders Tamil lands and their population overtook the local indigenous Tamils in Chittoor, Nellor and Tirupathi areas and then started to demand these lands as their including Chennai. Originally during the organization of the states the main consideration was given as to which ethnic group who owned most of the land in the district or area as a deciding factor, as this largely indicates who is really native and who is the migrant group, by this factor these areas should have all gone to the Tamils but they deliberately changed the criteria to which linguistic or ethnic group dominated in order to favour the Telugus and gave all these ancient historic Tamil border lands of Thirupathi, Chittoor and Nellor to the immigrant Telugus who only migrated here after the British arrived not even during the Vijayanagar rule and became the dominant population and not to the indigenous Tamils. However, in the case of Chennai they could not do anything as the Tamils still owned most of the land and were the predominant population. This was double standard as predominantly Tamil Idukki/Devikulam area was given to Kerala the excuse was to make the Kerala state viable and predominantly Tamil populated regions in southern Karnataka like Kolar was given to Karnataka. Madurai was the capital of the Pandian Tamil kingdom and not the entire Tamil region at that time the Tamil region in India comprised of present-day Tamil Nadu, Kerala, and most of southern Andhra and Karnataka. There was no Malayalam ethnicity and each Tamil kingdom had their own capital. Please get your facts correct. Tamils is the oldest developed Dravidian language, and they represent the most of what is Dravidian not the others. The word Dravidian comes from Tamil. Tamil>Tamila> Damila>Dravida and this is a well-known and proved fact. All your languages are mixture of old or pre old or proto-Tamil mixed with Sanskrit or Prakrit. Your claims are like the daughter claiming the mother or the grandmother looks like her and not the other way around. The Madurai Meenachi temple was built during the Pandian era and was destroyed and looted by the Islamic Delhi sultanate but was later renovated by the Naicke Vijayanagar rulers. Or the Madurai Naickers. They were originally Telugu speaking but later despite calling themselves Naicker were more Tamil by blood and became Tamil. Only the Naicker title or caste of a distant Telugu male chieftain ancestor but for all intent and purposes were Tamils. Many t of the diehard Tamil DMK and ADMK members have this Naicker origin. Go and tell them they are Telugu and you will see their reaction.
From a posting in 1997 by George Hart, Professor of Tamil, University of California, Berkeley on Tamil, Brahmins, & Sanskrit: The word Dravidian clearly comes from the word Tamil. This has been demonstrated time and time again -- the earliest occurrences of the word in IA are dramiDa ==> draviDa.
@@rohanrohan2688 now I'm can confirm that u hate telugu language. You are such a shameless tamil who passing false statements as history. Those telugus are better than us who are keeping temples clean and maintained and protecting sanatana dharma. Even temples in TN have telugu inscription so?? We selected chennai over tirupati during state organization act, if we selected tirupati over chennai then TN is not what today it is.
@@rohanrohan2688i agree with you sir and one more point most of the telugu people came and settled in chennai because of tamil cinema industry actual fact is 1994 only shifted there industry to Hyderabad
@@VinodKumar-oh9duwhich muruga will have lakshmi carved on stone idol chest ??? U people want to even divide god's on the basis of state and language shame on you
All are truly misconceptions! SRI Venkateswara Swamy varu at Tirumala is undoubtedly sakshat Sri Mahavishnu only! If we can closely observe the original self-manifested svayamvyakta Salagrama icon we can clearly see the iconographical features are of Sri Mahavishnu! This I can confirm with full authority as a Hereditary Archaka of the Shrine worshipping the presiding deity since many generations.. Govinda
Nothing like Praveen Mohan, there's more evidence. I are just speaking like a robot, like a school going child blurting out mugged portion of the lessons.
You tamil guys don't manage your temples properly and just go on creating false narrations about tirupati as a tamil region. 1st , the lands around madras were owned by telugu people and all the agreements regarding transfer were between telugu and British. We have great rajaji who occupies governor General and stoops down to CM. At that time telugu were at a disadvantage due to this character less fellow, though a great scholar. Because of this intellectuals politics TN is blessed with dmk, admk, mdmk,dmdk............. who want to eradicate dharma. Better think of it rather than ttd. I suggest you to make videos on the eradication concepts which will be useful to larger audience.
Rubbish go and read history properly. This was an ancient Tamil region, and the temple was built by Tamil kings and all the old inscriptions in the temple is in Tamil the word Thirupathi and Thirumalai are pure Tamil names. The regions only became Telugu majority during the British times. Trying to call Rajaji a great Tamil statesman a characterless fellow just because he is Tamil, says a lot about your character. Telugus like you are angry with him as he remained firm and did not yield and rightly gave Chennai( Madras) to the Tamils/
TN enriched with temples. Which TN temples struggled to manage? Both Thirupathi and Chennai are Tamil land. Just becoz Telugu people occupied few areas in Chennai, it's not Telugu land. Most of Indians settled in America, Can we declared the places as India whoever owned the land there?
@@soulfullyricstelugus didn't occupied they originally owned those lands tamil kings built temple s in telugu land since they were under tamil kingdom. And yes temples in TN are not managed properly haven't u seen the mess around the temple unclean dirty.
@@soulfullyricstelugus didn't occupied they owned those lands since they were under tamil kingdom. And yes u guys don't maintain the temples properly haven't u see the mess, unclean surrounding around the temples
Wonderful piece of information! Having lived in Chennai since 1977 and now being stationed in Tirupati due to my official work, this episode resonates deeply with me. The historical and cultural connections between Chennai and Tirupati come to life through this narration. Truly captivating-thank you Sir!
Venkateswara happens to be the kuladeivam for many tamilians. Now I see why. Thank you for the history
As much as Thirutthani Subramanya Swamy is the kuladaivam for many Telugus. People in all these regions intermingled and lived as one. Little did they know that in future PPL would fight on ownership based on state borders or language.
Amazing history Sriram ! The TN Govt should document all of your knowledge into its annals & publish them. Good luck to you and happy historing !
Thanks Sriram Sir, always love your narration and historic topics. Vazhga valamudan Sir.
Sriram, greetings from an erstwhile resident of Graems-pet/greemspet/girimpeta in Chittoor! I enjoyed this episode. As you are no doubt aware, there's a lot more to be said about this connection - e.g.: the early paper manuscripts of annamacharya compositions that were brought to madras by sadhu subrahmanya sastry from tirumala, and lost in a fire in the city, delaying substantially their first publication!
The History session takes us to the time period itself! Great effort sir!! Thank you!
Fascinating facts! You’ve presented the content with such depth and historical insight, making it easier to both understand and appreciate our past. It’s clear how much time and effort went into this, and you’ve truly made history !! come alive !!
Another interesting coincidence - the original presiding deity of the Govindaraja Swamy Temple in Lower Tirupati is Parthasarathy. The presiding deity of Chennai's Parthasarathy Temple , the Moolavar is Venkata-krishnan.
Madras or ancient chennapatnam was a telugu speaking place ,its taken away from us.. Tirumala will always be part of telugu land.
Fsscinating. Looking forward to hear more of these historical narratives.
We finally got a whiff of fresh air to See you back with English Episodes - my all time eternal favourite - Sriram Sir ❤
Flawless narration.
The ancient Thirumala Thirupathi Tamil temple is well maintained in Andhra.
Great efforts Sir !! thanks for the wonderful insights
This is great,
Good Sir
Superb episode with rare information. Wish to recall your previous episode on Aviation history of Madras & as a follow up , request you to do a episode about the WWII Airstrips that were constructed by British government in Sholavaram,Tanjore, Ulundurpet , Chettinad, Sulur ..and 8 more places across India. It was done by legendary Engineer US Ramasundaram and constructed by erstwhile civil contractors like AK Ranganatha Iyer etc. We don't have full information about these land mark infra projects . I'm sure it will be a big hit . Thank you sir.
shri Givinda. thank you Sir for honest narration..
Very well noted and narrated sir, wish to learn more from your channel 🙏
Very interesting background and very well presented.
Thank you
I was hoping you'd talk more about the kodai utsavam, padayatra, puratasi vrtham and the emotional connect people of chennai have with Tirumala.
Good article
Thank you Sir for providing historical details.
You missed a very imp part of history....The Tirumalai Tirupati Temple was built by the Tamizh Chola king Tondaiman Chakravarthy.....Goddess Padmathy was his niece.The father of Padmavathy was Akasa Rajan.
He is not chola King he is pallava king but indeed both are tamizh kings
such a great information
Fantastic Sriram
Good choice of topic !!! ❤
Excellent information Sir
Happy it is not with Tamil Nadu government
very good Sir.
Amazing sir
Sir, speak on rare birds and animals that are native to chennai...
Venkatesh is short name for Vaikunth ishwar(Vishnuji) & Tami means Tami(brother) in Telugu.
thank you sir
Tamils lost Tirumalai temple which was originally built pallava thondaiman king..the hundreds of tamil inscriptions on the walls of the moolavar itself is proof of that....disunity amongst tamils cost many things for us
But Lord Venkateshwara himself is Telugu
@MrSur512 oh for a telugu God, original thondaiman raja built temple and inscribed their details in tamil?...
@@msel04 yes. Cuz Padmavati amma and her father Akasa raju are Tamils
Tirupati Tirumala was never part of Tamil Nadu. All the South States(except Telangana) were combined as Madras presidency. Later they were re-organised as per the linguistic basis. Thanks!
@rajarao3661 read my comment again
Ur tamil speaking is very nice might be give English subtitles or vice versa sir pls
Sorry Sir, till March, 1959 Tiruttani with A.P, after a big fight leaders like Ma.Po.Si and Mr Vinayagam Tiruttani added in Madras State wef 1st April 1959. If i am wrong, please purden me. I was school student on that time in Tiruttani.
Yes, Tamil Nadu gave some areas like sathyavedu, nagalapuram, pichathur and some villages to Andhra and brought back tiruttani, pallipattu and some villages..
Thirupati/Thirumala might have a stronger connection with TN of today. I say this because the prefix ‘Thiru’ is of Tamil origin rather than of Telugu/Sanskrit. But how should this matter for the devotees.
The word Thiru was existing in ancient Telugu, there is a reference for this word from the Coinage of "Andhra Satavahana" rulers which mentioned the then rulers name as "Thiru Pulumavi", and we still have few villages which have names starting with "Thiru" as their prefix, one of the examples is Thiruvuru which is a village/small town in Central Coastal Andhra, far away from Tamilnadu. So you cannot just strike out the history by the current days language structure/vocabulary. Thiru was as much as a Telugu word a 1000 years ago.
@@surya.mp-Very well explained. 👍
@@surya.mp-right bro, Tirupati Tirumala was never part of Tamil Nadu. All the South States(except Telangana) were combined as Madras presidency. Later they were re-organised as per linguistic basis. Thanks!
🙂
Sir I understand only when u speak in English the reach will be more other language people will Also know
There’s nothing wrong with eating non-veg. Even Sri Rama consumed deer meat. It is clearly written in Ramayana.
Long live the brotherhood of the Tamils and Telugu.
Telugus coming here and aggressively now making anti Tamil remarks not only here but in many other forums, without reading proper history or knowing facts is very deplorable. Many think that now that Telugu states are economically progressive and currently Telugu cinema is doing well, like some new rich, they can pick on the far more ancient Tamil language and culture and on the Tamil people and to it very aggressively. Not all Telugus but a lot. Chennai, Thirupathy, Thirumalai are all ancient Tamil lands and just because Telugus came in numbers and settled in these areas, during the British Raj for economic and job opportunities from further north including Chittoor, Nellor, does not mean these are Telugu areas. The Tamil leaders other than Rajaji were quite weak and gave in easily, therefore Tamils lost many of their border lands to Kerala, Andhra and Karnataka. Thirupathi temple was built by ancient Tamil kings the Cholas and Pallava and all the ancient inscriptions there are in Tamil and not in Telugu. The names Thirupathy. Thirumalai, Nellor, Chittoor are all pure Tamil place names. Not Sanskrit or Telugu. Calling a great elderly Tamil statesman Rajaji as a characterless person, shows the caliber and character of the person who commented. Just because he rightly stood firm with regards to the city of Chennai being retained for the Tamils.
Chittoor, nellore, chennapatanam were high in telugu speaking people from long time since their were no proper telugu king and tamil kings built them so they wrote tamil inscriptions rather than telugu. Lands were owned by telugus under tamil kingdom.
Come on bro still we have highest temples in India why to cry over one temple, we should remember their contribution also for that temple. We better temples with great architecture. As we know tamils capital was madurai from ancient time chennai was developed by telugus for themselves after state reorganization they went capital less. Remember tamils also suppressed telugu language to end.
@@b.chithvilas-11th-bio The Telugu population only moved to these areas after the British rule or during the British Indian company for employment and economic prospects from further north. Please read history properly before posting and it will be much appreciated. This was the reason most of the land was owned by the Tamil landlords in these areas before the state bifurcation, as the Tamils were native and the Telugu recent immigrants, but they came and swamped this orders Tamil lands and their population overtook the local indigenous Tamils in Chittoor, Nellor and Tirupathi areas and then started to demand these lands as their including Chennai. Originally during the organization of the states the main consideration was given as to which ethnic group who owned most of the land in the district or area as a deciding factor, as this largely indicates who is really native and who is the migrant group, by this factor these areas should have all gone to the Tamils but they deliberately changed the criteria to which linguistic or ethnic group dominated in order to favour the Telugus and gave all these ancient historic Tamil border lands of Thirupathi, Chittoor and Nellor to the immigrant Telugus who only migrated here after the British arrived not even during the Vijayanagar rule and became the dominant population and not to the indigenous Tamils. However, in the case of Chennai they could not do anything as the Tamils still owned most of the land and were the predominant population. This was double standard as predominantly Tamil Idukki/Devikulam area was given to Kerala the excuse was to make the Kerala state viable and predominantly Tamil populated regions in southern Karnataka like Kolar was given to Karnataka. Madurai was the capital of the Pandian Tamil kingdom and not the entire Tamil region at that time the Tamil region in India comprised of present-day Tamil Nadu, Kerala, and most of southern Andhra and Karnataka. There was no Malayalam ethnicity and each Tamil kingdom had their own capital. Please get your facts correct. Tamils is the oldest developed Dravidian language, and they represent the most of what is Dravidian not the others. The word Dravidian comes from Tamil. Tamil>Tamila> Damila>Dravida and this is a well-known and proved fact. All your languages are mixture of old or pre old or proto-Tamil mixed with Sanskrit or Prakrit. Your claims are like the daughter claiming the mother or the grandmother looks like her and not the other way around. The Madurai Meenachi temple was built during the Pandian era and was destroyed and looted by the Islamic Delhi sultanate but was later renovated by the Naicke Vijayanagar rulers. Or the Madurai Naickers. They were originally Telugu speaking but later despite calling themselves Naicker were more Tamil by blood and became Tamil. Only the Naicker title or caste of a distant Telugu male chieftain ancestor but for all intent and purposes were Tamils. Many t of the diehard Tamil DMK and ADMK members have this Naicker origin. Go and tell them they are Telugu and you will see their reaction.
From a posting in 1997 by George Hart, Professor of Tamil, University of California, Berkeley
on Tamil, Brahmins, & Sanskrit: The word Dravidian clearly comes from the word Tamil. This has been demonstrated time and time again -- the earliest occurrences of the word in IA are dramiDa ==> draviDa.
@@rohanrohan2688 now I'm can confirm that u hate telugu language. You are such a shameless tamil who passing false statements as history. Those telugus are better than us who are keeping temples clean and maintained and protecting sanatana dharma. Even temples in TN have telugu inscription so?? We selected chennai over tirupati during state organization act, if we selected tirupati over chennai then TN is not what today it is.
@@rohanrohan2688i agree with you sir and one more point most of the telugu people came and settled in chennai because of tamil cinema industry actual fact is 1994 only shifted there industry to Hyderabad
We lost thirupathi 😢
Congratulations🎉
Congratulations🎉
@@b.chithvilas-11th-bio poda dey
Its ours infact we lost chennapatnam
Tirupathi is Murugan temple Anyways. ❤
No !
I heard about it
Sir, speaking in English is very good, but y you are not talking in Tamil
Goodbvideo, but entire south india was not under mughals
Some conspiracy theory is there saying that Tirupathi is originally a murugan temple. Any truth to that?
No
Yes it is originally supposed to be a Murugan statue..
@@VinodKumar-oh9du source sollunga bro.
@@VinodKumar-oh9duwhich muruga will have lakshmi carved on stone idol chest ???
U people want to even divide god's on the basis of state and language shame on you
All are truly misconceptions! SRI Venkateswara Swamy varu at Tirumala is undoubtedly sakshat Sri Mahavishnu only! If we can closely observe the original self-manifested svayamvyakta Salagrama icon we can clearly see the iconographical features are of Sri Mahavishnu!
This I can confirm with full authority as a Hereditary Archaka of the Shrine worshipping the presiding deity since many generations..
Govinda
Nothing like Praveen Mohan, there's more evidence. I are just speaking like a robot, like a school going child blurting out mugged portion of the lessons.
Tirumala Thiruvengada mudaiyan temple was constructed by Cholas and Pandiyas. Their contributions also must be remembered.
You tamil guys don't manage your temples properly and just go on creating false narrations about tirupati as a tamil region.
1st , the lands around madras were owned by telugu people and all the agreements regarding transfer were between telugu and British.
We have great rajaji who occupies governor General and stoops down to CM. At that time telugu were at a disadvantage due to this character less fellow, though a great scholar.
Because of this intellectuals politics TN is blessed with dmk, admk, mdmk,dmdk............. who want to eradicate dharma. Better think of it rather than ttd.
I suggest you to make videos on the eradication concepts which will be useful to larger audience.
Rubbish go and read history properly. This was an ancient Tamil region, and the temple was built by Tamil kings and all the old inscriptions in the temple is in Tamil the word Thirupathi and Thirumalai are pure Tamil names. The regions only became Telugu majority during the British times. Trying to call Rajaji a great Tamil statesman a characterless fellow just because he is Tamil, says a lot about your character. Telugus like you are angry with him as he remained firm and did not yield and rightly gave Chennai( Madras) to the Tamils/
TN enriched with temples. Which TN temples struggled to manage? Both Thirupathi and Chennai are Tamil land. Just becoz Telugu people occupied few areas in Chennai, it's not Telugu land. Most of Indians settled in America, Can we declared the places as India whoever owned the land there?
@@soulfullyricstelugus didn't occupied they originally owned those lands tamil kings built temple s in telugu land since they were under tamil kingdom. And yes temples in TN are not managed properly haven't u seen the mess around the temple unclean dirty.
@@soulfullyricsu guys are jealous because none of your temples are as rich as Venkatachalam
@@soulfullyricstelugus didn't occupied they owned those lands since they were under tamil kingdom. And yes u guys don't maintain the temples properly haven't u see the mess, unclean surrounding around the temples
Tirupati Perumal 🙏🙏it should be part of Tamil Nadu.
no thank you
Tamil lost tirupati
Good
@@b.chithvilas-11th-bio golti good
@@valan2007 better then tasteless sambar
@@b.chithvilas-11th-bio stop fighting
@@b.chithvilas-11th-bio dear sambar stop this