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Interesting talk. However when the question of the Chola’s religion came up the hesitancy to say it was from Vedam, Veda or Sanatana Dharma which was practiced throughout Bharat is an insult to the Cholas. Also when commenting on the life of the average person during the early rule of these Kingdoms the pure speculation that people were not taken care off is revealing of the conscious or subconscious bias’s Sir has. A Raja’s prime duty per Sanatana Dharma is his people. Maybe it is the long Marxists influence in the South, which wanted to destroy native faith and governance systems over many decades, but I got the impression at times from various comments Sir made that he has some disdain for the Hindu cultural and religious heritage of the South. Or it could be just a result of long exposure to incorrect narratives that Sir is unknowingly expressing himself in such ways. Other than that interesting talk
I am from South India. Please bring on G.Deivanayagam, an authority on Chola Dynasties and Kudavayil Balasubramanian - former curator and publication manager at Saraswathi Mahal Library. These people are getting old, so kindly call them soon on your show. People like these are a body of knowledge, dedicated their whole life in R&D.. it's my humble request
Yeah I totally agree. Beer biceps team please bring these two legends Deivanayagam sir and Balasubramanian sir to this show and record their vast knowledge about cholas history.
Raja Raja Chola is famous not only for his Empire expansion, he is a very knowledgeable, with creative problem-solving skills and strategic vision, a very good administrator
Just saw a video how the cholas built dams strategically to split the Cauvery River into many branches and then spread it out over several hundred Sq kms. That's some terraforming knowledge
Did you see the condition of his samadhi sthal, is that how you celebrate your greatest Raja? Don't you guys feel ashamed of yourself Calling him your raja
I am from Thanjavur and even today there are evidences left by the Cholas Kallani Dam was built by Karikala Cholan two thousand years ago on the Cauvery River and it is still in use today, it is the pride of our India. If you want information about this, it is now available in Thanjavur
@raghulkannan208 Tamilian is English word and accepted too. But Tamizhan is perfect Tamil word....plus Tamilian is gender neutral.....females can use too...
I'm a teen from madurai,Tamilnadu I love that you made this podcast but still our great history is not fully justified here.. You could interview another person who has a wholesome wisdom about our Tamil history❤
The guest is peddling biased superficial ideas. Better to listen to or read Kudavayil Balasubramaniam, Arumai Nayagam who did archaeological works not only in TN but also in Italy, Greece and Far Eastern countries and Mannar Mannan. Lot of old Tamil literature in Pathu Paaatu, Ettu Thogai and Pathinen Keezh Kanakku has historical references. I do not think Raghavan Srinivasan dwelled into any of them.
@@sabarinathan6554 Earlier days.. Sea ports are important for any traveling and transportation... next, early to travel from one place to another on land one has to cross one kingdom to another.. So, it is highly impossible..
Fun fact the Valyrian Steel from Game of Thrones which is originally inspired from a real life Steel known as the damascus steel ( it had nothing to do with Damascus Syria except for being exported from there to rome) is an invention of the Tamils. The Chera kindgom of karur!
To know more and deep about Cholas and other dynasties - please bring Prof. Deivanayakam ....he and his father are researcher, archeologist and he can talk english and bring cholas period to present in narrative...
I am not a history student but still I can tell about Tamilnadu history more than him. He is telling only wine was imported from Rome. Glass, Gold were the main items. Exports include spices, animals like tiger, elephant, leopard ete, muslin, germs.The Greek and Arabic names for rice (Oryza and urz), ginger(Gingibar and zanjabil) and cinnamon (Karpion and quarfa) are almost identical with their Tamil names, arisi, inchiver and karuva.When Pallava were ruling , Pandiyas also were ruling in the south. Only Cholas were vessels of Kanchipuram. During Gupta period , Samudra Gupta came upto Kanchi when early Pallava king Vishnugopa was ruling..
In my view the main reason for the ancient Tamilagam being so rich is because of its position in the Indian Ocean region. Many of the Transit ports of the Ancient world, especially the ones between Greece and China were situated in the Tamil regions of South India. There are historical records and Artifacts which confirm the fact that Foreigners were a common site back then and there are enough archeological evidence of Greek colonies in various parts of Tamilnadu (Probably created by the Greek Sea farers and traders of that time). So it is Trade that enriched the region in addition to being an agrarian society. There is an ancient saying in tamil 'Thiraikadal odi Thiraviyam thedu' which translates to 'Surf the seas to earn the fruit called wealth' which aptly reflects the outlook of the Tamil Society. Even the Chola conquest of Srivijaya was due to the fact that the king of Srivijaya was disgruntled by the Cholas controlling the trade and taking away the earnings that could otherwise come to his kingdom. He therefore created frequent disturbances to the Tamil Merchant groups and their Ships carrying valuables to China and Vice versa! The gentle man here missed this crucial part.
My grandmother knows everything he said and she could have said it in a better way too. Anyway I am a teen from Tamilnadu who really love the work ur doing. Thanks.
Exactly... As a person interest in history i could tell more facts than him... Pls bring someone more knowledgeable like MANNAR MANNAN or Prof. Ko. DEIVANAYAGAM to the show pls
@secularmama it was in the past and after Sanskrit came then comes other south Indian languages..... People will understand this when they study how south Indian languages came and why they have similar words with tamil 👌😉
@@kishorekingsteel7624 Some people prefer to stay in one place their whole lives, never experiencing new cultures or meeting new people. However, not everyone is the same. Some people enjoy exploring different places and meeting people from diverse backgrounds. Not all, there are some people they act very bad.
Sangam 1 was inaugrated by sivan🎉 himself 20,000 years ago in kumari kandam Sangam 2 is inaugrated by murugun🎉 about 11,000 years ago (during the kumari continental drift) Sangam 3 was inaugrated by tiruchy thirumal.🎉 For your kind info.
Hey Ranveer! Who told people from Tamilnadu don't watch your show? I am from Tamilnadu living in Bangalore, haven't missed any of your podcast, and same is the case with most of my friends, a small request to add English Subtitles to your Hindi podcast, we feel we're missing out to lot of quality content just because of the language barrier. And the quality of content is insanely getting better ever show, keep going✌
As a Tamilan i would say one thing that you took wrong person to tell about our history. I appreciate the interest of Ranveer but i suggest to bring someone best person to know even more. There are lot to know
Main problem of this podcast is not that he is not knowing the details but the modulation and way of speaking, basically he doesn't want any greatness to be given to Tamil Nadu and the way of his speech confirms that.
As a historian you need to be as unbiased as possible. You an only talk about the details with specifics uncovered from historical artifacts and should not speculate.
@@Uchihaclan9339 Hey.... ignoran.... go and read the inscriptions and edicts of cholas.... you will come to know which is true and which is not true....
48:50 Saivam is the Religion followed by Cholas, every town in tamilnadu has round 4-5 temple and atleast one temple will be biggest in size... Tamilnadu is the place where most hindu temples were built in india ... could be around 1,00,000
According to him 3 kings are tribal kingdom untill 6th century. So one of the oldest dam which is still functionel was built in 2 century by a chola king Karikalan, Meenakshi Amman temple built by Padiyas in 1800 years ago, tamil poets were regrouped under an assembly called Sangam. Do you think these are tribal kingdoms???
i am a mallu from Tamilnadu bro....i do enjoy ur podcasts along with my friends they too enjoy it...your selection of topics are wide range and interesting to all kind of social people
You should have brought - Professor G Deivanayagam, an authority on Chola history and a well-known scholar of temple architecture . Orisa balu and prof deivanayagam are the write person to tell chola history bro . Orisa balu is no more 😢 but bring Prof G deivanayagam
There are so many Tamil historians who knows the length and depth of the history.. ranveer, please do your research before getting these people into the show when talking about Tamil Nadu or for that matter South Indian History.. you had a very bad choice with Keerthi and this episode ..
Hi Ranveer - this is Senthil from Chennai. I am one a great fan of your podcast and shows. My humble request is to have to have an expert like Devianayagam sir and Manar Mannan who are the real scholars who can throw light on real facts and real history oh cholas, cheras, Pandyas and pallavas. With due respect I wanted to say that there is no justice done here in this show
the guest is not well versed.feels like he has an agenda not to give the tamil emperors the due credit they deserve he casually says that the common men would have most probably lived under hardships and says tamil kings lived life drinking expensive wine,the entire chola period is recorded as a golden period for people,tamil kings wore expensive jewellery yes but did not induldge in debauchery,they were deeply spiritual and pious thus the creation of magnificent shiva temples,i guess the guest is a wolf under sheep's clothing,probably because of his caste affliation,god knows but what i truly understand is that he is deliberately trying to tarnish the glorious tamil history
Moreover it he was jumping between topics without any common thread. Also, how could he say about Southeast Asia "they had some kingdoms" or something like that, when the Southeast Asian direction was the most important for the Cholas.
I don't know much about the history or not an expert, but I too felt he was not giving any credit to anything the emperors were capable of - hearing from one another historian will help validate his views
Accepted, Rajendran is much better and greater warrior than Raja Rajan. But Raja Raja cholan was the greatest administrator as well as a great warrior.
As an Indian from South..i would request someone else more knowledgeable to talk about the Cholas. Archeologist Nagaswamy sir is the best to talk about these topics. A humble request!
👿👿👿 This raghavan is a Telugu person just like DMK first family and is trying to putdown Tamil History. Its our true TAMILIANS fate we have to hear this. Mark my words REAL TAMIL will uprise and we will showcase our true history soon. These STOOGES will be put in their place. 👿👿👿
The way Mr Raghavan Srinivasan is explaining, is making casual comments, however the real story is not what he is describing. It is much more intense and there are people who are much more knowledgeable than Mr Raghavan Srinivasan.
Cholas became so rich because of their dominance of Indian Ocean, Naval Fleet, Army, Food Technology, Banking, Construction Technology, Metallurgy, import and export, etc., Above all their Literature and Knowledge that’s what made them rich.
It's 1:11 am Indonesia time. I'm enjoying this episode. Really amazing guests on your show. I can sleep listening to these History talks (it's a compliment) & sometimes lose sleep completely (it's a compliment)
There is much more about cholas, cheras and pandiyas but he revealed just a drop.. even in Egypt and parts of Europe we find inscription of tamil alphabets in their coins... And stone inscriptions in tamil.
Native from Andhra .....Born and brought up entirely in Chattisgarh and now working in Tamil Nadu . I love Indian heritage. We should cherish the good things from our history. These podcasts are really informative and I love listening to it to before sleep and the quality of content has improved so much . Kudos to the team
I appreciate ranveer for this podcast 🎉, but as a tamilan I felt that our history could have been discussed more precisely. Also Raghavan srinivasan sir is good thought it could be better. I will suggest 2 TH-cam channels as they explain alot after lots of research 1. Sunday distrubance 2. Deep talks tamil Its would be good if they have a podcast with them 😊 Looking forward for more of you're podcast 🫂
I am a history student and there were so many good kingdoms in Indian history who were great but in personal I just love chola kingdom .....thanks for giving us this podcast ❤❤❤❤
After the Kalabhras the Pandyas and the Pallavas rose to power simultaneously and next 400 years it was intense rivalry between them and the Pandyas were the dominant force when the Cholas rose in the 9th century. Cheras were pushed to the western side of the Western Ghats.
Thank You Ranvir For Taking An Tamil Podcast Because I'm An Thamizhan And I'm Seeing Your Videos For More Then Like 7 Years Maybe Because I'm Seeing Your Videos From My School Days...
Make podcast about bhakti movement which started from Tamilnadu and spread to entire Indian subcontinent & made changes in the entire Indian culture Great tamil bhakti classical like thevaram ,thiruvasagam, Divya prabhandam
Hi Ranveer, i'm a diaspora Tamil from Malaysia and a fan of your channel. It helps me tap into the current Indian zeitgeist. Of course the history of the Cholas is much much bigger and more complex than can be covered within a podcast like this. But i am glad there is enough interest in ancient South India that merited a podcast episode. I guess Pooniyin Selvan helped pique their interest. I am also glad you interviewed a historian who is careful to stick with recorded facts. Good episode, dude.
@@vineekmarhatta7586May be he is expecting commercial Tamil movie hype about Cholas😂😂. I think he fairly covered key aspects. Barring raja raja Chola, Rajendra Chola even tamilains won't talk much about others. This speaker touched upon these emperors. Also he stated fact that longest survived empire.
As Tamils, we are very proud of our History and the impact the kingdoms from this part of the world had on the larger world. These kings and kingdoms are household topics in families even today where history is verbally passed on. Very glad rest of Bharath is now getting to know this ❤
But why are Tamilians converting to Christianity so rapidly even knowing what their ancestors like Cholas did and achieved plus A lot of DMK members were offended by the Ponniyin Selvan movie which was again about Chola ???
@@siddyray3361 brother the Christian missionaries are doing these things not only in Tamil Nadu they're doing this all over India they are using the poverty of those people and converting them Tamil Nadu is the land of Hindus the majority of the people are serious followers of Hindu gods the DMK party is anti-bramins party they calling them self as an anti-caste party or anti-Brahmanism party but the truth is they don't like brahmins superiority but they like to stamp Dalits by the name of caste the story starts from justices party to DK and then to DMK and then to AIADMK the DMK and aiadmk are political parties were DMK is a strict anti-brahmins party and always scolds gods that's why AIADMK has a lot of vote percentage than DMK if have to read a lot to know more about Tamil Nadu and about those so-called dravida parties i can't summarise 70 years history here just start from justices party and then EV Ramasamy and then DK and then AIADMK if you read all those history then you will get answer about your questions why they got offended by PS movie but i can say you that this is last tenure for DMK in tamil nadu they will not rule again for atleast 15 years
@@NaveenRock62see! Dravidianism victimhood is backfiring you !! Even though Bihar is considered no.1 in caste discrimination but every hindu there is proud of hindu identity, but TN?? I didn't expected it. Vote DMK eradicate Sanatan dharm lol Tamils are responsible! In this Sense biharis are far better
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Thoroughly enjoyed this episode. Please do an episode with Kudavayil Balasubramanian. He is a micro-historical researcher and a scholar who has taken sculpture, architecture and Music development of the Chola period as his primary subject of study. He has explored new domains of Chola history. Art history in Tamil Nadu is not well documented. It is still studied today as part of public history. Kudavayil Balasubramanian has created a model for writing the art history of Tamil Nadu through his extensive research on Chola period temples.
Raja Raja was not just a conqueror,He was into advance agriculture,water management,funds management, architecture women wrre involved in politics,he tried to include all the religions like Budhism,built temples etc.He was a good ruler,ardent shiva devotee and a lot more
@BeerBiceps- please check out how Chola dynasty also mingled with Indonesian , Phillipines , Thai, Malay with marrying into them to expand territories . The history Books of Thailand etc talks about it
I think We need a great Expertise to explain the Tamil Culture and History in a Crystal Clear way, But the Problem is Who know Tamil History Deeply Were Monolingual Mostly. There are also some Young People Knows History deep and Multilingual like Dushyanth Sridhar. He was such a Knowledgeable and humble person. Just bring him over he got many topics on tamil literature and Vedic things
Ragaven simply forgot the kallanai,which was build 2000 years ago across Kaveri river to expand agriculture Lands. This dam is still in use. This canning man tells cholas came from telungu county. Cholas are in existence over sangam period This ragaven just changing history may be with some motive. Rajendera chola is the most powerful among all cholas, he who led northern expedition to Ganges and defeated The pale emperor of West Bengal and then these days miyanmar in the north and then south east Asia expedition.
Thankyouuuuuu, I've always felt like our textbooks don't talk about the glory of South Kings and their glorious rule where art, literature, divinity flourished. I'm sooo happy that this exists!
Our textbooks are filled with all Invaders Glorification bro nd in this podcast they've spoken of Tamil Kings mainly There are many more Karnata Empires also
@@neerajm9096Mute head read the history well and you will know cholas invaded far east and hence there is no surprise Tamils living there even before Britishers. It’s the same way in Srilanka too. Do you understand why the Srilankan Tamil nationalists used Tiger flag? Buddy wake up from the slumber. Looks like too much of BJP hangover you are carrying. 😊
The origins of Chola kings of Tamil lands mentioned in the copper plates unearthed in a place called Thiruvalangadu about 100 years ago gives common ancestry to Cholas with Ikshvahus until the time Mandhaata. After Mandhaata there was a division. In the Ikshvaku dynasty, only the eldest son ascended the throne. The other children of the king had ruled other parts or had founded their own dynasties. King Sibi had come in the lineage of siblings. In Sibi’s lineage, king Cholavarman came who founded the Chola kingdom. This information is found in the copper plates. A famous Vedic king was associated with Swat region. He was none other than King Sibi (Sivi) who offered his flesh to a hawk to save a pigeon. In his book, ‘Ancient Geography of India’, Cunningham quotes Hwen Thsang that “the legend of ‘the hawk and the pigeon’ in which Buddha, to save a pigeon tears his own flesh and offers to hawk” occurred in the region of Swat. He also quotes Fa-Hian as saying “that Buddha was then a king named Shi-pi-ka or Sivika”. The name, Bodhibhavana during Ramayana times reinforces the presence of ascetics and others immersed in Knowledge and salvation in this region of Swat. Sibi was originally a king of Vedic culture, born to Madhavi, the daughter of King Yayati. His father was Usinara. In an amazing correlation, Swat River that starts at Kalam is joined by two rivers one of them known by name ‘Ushu’! The phonetic similarity with Usinara cannot be ignored. Mahabharata recounts this legend of King Sibi at many places (MB:3:196, 3;207, 13:32, 13:67 &14:90). At one place he is said to be the king of Kasi (Mahabharata 13-32). But as with siblings and cousins, Sibi must have sought a place for himself away from ancestral roots and had chosen the region at the commencement of Swat, then known as Ikshumati! His descendants occupied the entire region of River Sindhu in due course taking up various names as Sivi, Saibya, Sauvira and so on. The lesser known name is ‘Sembiya’ which the Cholas of Tamil lands held for themselves. It is from the genealogy of Cholas, we come to know that Sibi was an ancestor of Rama! Sibi as ancestor of Rama and Cholas. The genealogy of Cholas is found in the copper plates of Thiruvalangadu. It traces the origin of Cholas from the Solar dynasty of the Ikshvakus and continued with the same names of Rama’s genealogy till Mandhata. After Mandhata a divergence comes. In Rama’s genealogy, Susandhi takes over the reign from him. (Valmiki Ramayana 1.70.26). In Chola’s genealogy, Muchukunda’s name appears after Mandhata and continues with Vallabha, Prithulaksha and others till Bharata. Cholavarma, one of the sons of Bharata founded the Chola race in the Chola country. Only the eldest son came to the Ikshvaku throne. This explains why the genealogy diverged after Mandhata. Sibi came in the lineage of Muchukunda, the sibling to the king of Ayodhya. The Cholas were proud of their lineage from Sibi and called themselves as ‘Sembiyan’ - a derivative from Sibi. This was mentioned at several places in Sangam literature and to name a few in Puram 37 and 39. The information not known to outside world is thatRama also was considered as an ancestor of the Cholas. Though there is no direct mention of the name as Rama (so also with Sibi, as that name was never mentioned in the verses but only through an allusion to the legend of hawk and the pigeon), the reference to him is found mentioned along with Sibi. Rama’s name was indicated by the reference to the destruction of Ravana’s city, signified as “thoongeyil” - the fortress that was hanging from the sky - a reference to its location on a mountain touching the clouds. It appeared as though Ravana’s city was hanging down from the clouds. Allusion to Rama as the destroyer of “thoongeyil” is mentioned inPurananuru - 39, Siripaanaattru-padai - 79-82, Pazhamozhi - 49, Silappadhikaram - 29-16-4/5, Manimegalai - 1-4, Kalingatthu-p-paraNi - Raja - 17, Raja raja Chozhan vula - 13, Vikrama Chozhan vula 8-9. With the Tamil chronicles establishing Rama along with Sibi in the same lineage, the verse in Ramayana on ancestors of Rama in the city watered by river Ikshumati could only be an allusion to Sibi.
Copper plate written in two langauge tamil and sanskrit. Tamil version is 30 years older than sanskrit. Tamil version didnt had genealogy, about full of document regarding temple and lake repair, donations and legal gaurdians. Sanskrit mythology part added by brahminsn cholas themselve not aware of it.probably manuplation.
@@skyquestmani According to Purāṇas and Tamil sources, Chola was a brother of Pāndya. Evidently, ancient Cholas were the descendants of the Puru or Chandra dynasty. Later, the Chola dynasty of Tamil Nadu had been mixed up with the Ikśvāku kings of Andhra. Thus, many Telugu Chola lineages (Velanati, Renati, Pottapi, Mudigonda and more) came into existence. This may be the reason why the later Cholas claim their origin from Sūrya Vaṁśa. The Charala plates and Kanyakumari inscription of Vira Rajendra Chola give the following chronological list from Brahma to Vijayālaya: 1. Brahma 19. Chola 2. Marīchi 20. Rājakesari 3. Kaśyapa 21. Parakesari 4. Vivasvān 22. Mrityujit 5. Ikśvāku 23. Vīrasena 6. Vikukśi 24. Chitra 7. Purañjaya 25. Puṣpaketu 8. Kakustha 26. Ketumāla 9. Prithu 27. Samudrajit 10. Kuvalāśva 28. Pañchapa 11. Māndhātā 29. Nrimrida 12. Muchukunda 30. Manoratha 13. Hariśchandra 31. Perunatkilli 14. Sagara 32. Karikāla 15. Bhagīratha 33. Vallabha 16. Rituparṇa 34. Jagadekamalla 17. Dilīpa 35. Vyālabhayankara 18. Rāma, Lakśmaṇa, Bharata, Śatrughna 36. Vijayālaya, the founder of later Chola dynasty
@@descendantofbharatbharatva7155 these wer in found in later chola sanskrit inscription. Not in early cholas or sangam literture. None of chola king name in sangam literture wer sanskrit. Renadu chola claim the descended from karikala chola. Indeed chola wer pushed to andhra when kalabirar in power, and also cholas wer supporting kalinga branch of lanka while pandiyas supporting aryan branch in srilanka. Cholas itself retroflex sound unique to tamil.
@@skyquestmani The Chronology of Cholas According to Manimekhalai and Tamil legends, Kāveri River was released from his water vessel (Kamandal) by Rishi Agastya in response to the prayer of Chola King Kantan, or Kantaman. Kalingattuparani and Vikramacholan Ula indicate that King Kantan was the earliest known king of Cholas and a contemporary of Rishi Agastya and Paraśurāma. He was also a contemporary of King Tondaiman. The legends of Vada Thirumullaivayil indicate that King Tondaiman was a junior contemporary of Śiva and Murugan. King Kantan gave his kingdom to his illegitimate son, Kakandan, in order to escape from Paraśurāma. Kakandan ruled from the city of Champā, which came to be known as Kākandi, Puhar and Kaveripattanam. Sangam literature refers to another Chola king, Tungeyilerinda Todittot Sembian, a descendant of Śivi, who destroyed the forts of Asuras. He started the celebration of Indra festival for twenty-eight days at the instance of Rishi Agastya (a descendant of Agastya). The Rāmāyaṇa refers to the kingdom of Cholas. Therefore, it is chronologically absurd to establish King Chola as a descendant of Sri Rāma. Seemingly, the Chandra Vaṁśa of the Cholas and the Sūrya Vaṁśa of the descendants of King Aśmaka or King Danḍaka were mixed up after the Rāmāyaṇa era. Traditionally, the Cholas had three surnames: Killi, Valavan and Sembian. According to Vīracholīyam, Sembian means a descendant of King Śivi. Probably, Sembians or descendants of Śivi also settled in Tamil Nadu and became a lineage of Cholas, being Chandra Vaṁśis. Ancient Tamil sources mention the names of 122 Chola kings who reigned around 5000-1020 BCE. Before the rise of Vijayālaya (150-180 CE), the lineage of Muttarayar ruled in Tanjavur. The city of Tanjavur was the capital of Muttarayar kings. The name of Tanjavur city is derived from the name of Tananjaya (Dhanañjaya or Arjuna). It is traditionally believed that Muttarayars came from North. Seemingly, Sūrya Vaṁśi Cholas of Andhra Pradesh, known as Muttarayar, occupied the Chola Kingdom around 600-500 BCE as allies of the Pallavas. Vijayālaya, a descendant of another branch of Cholas, conquered the Chola Kingdom from Elango Muttarayar, the last king of the Muttarayar dynasty.
Recent kizaadi excavations pottery found is seems to be similar to indus civilization that would put earlier settlers far back that what we have in text books and even pandiya king was mentioned in Mahabharata war and there is also references to tamil god Muruga so tamil kingdom is much old close to Mahabharata period and not tribes , if they were just tribes then how sangam culture started so early , in fact with sangam culture it already proves that development is huge with a thinking society and people in general rich and more advanced
What made different regarding agriculture? Technology of creating lakes . Where water is stored. Knowledge of managing water is the game changer . Edging in global Trading ? Tamil Nadu is like current Singapore where Chinese and European met. There were business guild and corporate group which facilitates this.
I’ve been following you since your first podcast that impacted me really really deep . And now that you are consistently coming up with such podcast is mesmerising. Please don’t stop!!!!
Netflix should stream a documentary on Chandragupta, Ashoka, Samudragupta, Rajaraja Chola, Pulakeshin 2, Amogvarsha just like they did with Oda Nobunaga
Hey Ranveer, I am a Tamil girl. And yeah, I'm fallen for your three tamil words and interest towards getting to know about the tamil history.... Man I'm actually your fan, it's been 2 years now watching your videos. You're doing very well... We Love you and support you...from Tamil Nadu
We are literally of the same blood I'm a Sri Lankan Tamil 😂😂. I have ancestry in both chola and Lankans 😂😂😂. Brothers should unite 😁 after fighting in our teenage years .
@@chamarajayasinghe8233 Cholas invaded you and kicked you like dogs many times. How many times have you invaded the Tamil region of India? You can not even dream about it. Just don't dream too much. All Sri Lanka should have in mind is either being under Tamil kingdoms prosperously or being a debt Nation with zero world recognition. We are taking about empires here and Sinhala kings were never known to swim out of the island. Shut up and keep waiting. Time is not far away
Pandyas organized three Tamil literary academies(sangams) to develop Tamil language. They ruled south of tamilnadu till a region called Kumari continent mentioned in tholkappiyam which is a Tamil grammar developed around 500BC. First 2 sangam happened these regions. After it is been destroyed by tsunami these regions are under sea. Then they shifted capital to Madurai which is currently there. On there 3rd sangam happened. But Pandyas did not do much inscriptions, their story we can come to know by poems from sangam age. Pandyas ruled more time than Cholas
Exactly .. Nailed it .. And he was saying there is no records for sangam literature 1 &2 . what is this .. He would have bring some other scholar to his podcast
The Chola kings of the past were known for their secular outlook, as they encouraged both Shaivism and Vaishnavism. In what is now Bangalore, they left a lasting legacy by constructing temples and lakes. Examples include the Someshwar temple in Ulsoor dedicated to Shiva, and the Chokkanathaswamy temple in Domlur dedicated to Vishnu, both situated on the banks of the South Pennar River, known as Dakshina Pinakini in Kannada or Thenpennai/Ponnaiyar in Tamil. Moreover, the Cholas undertook extensive lake dredging efforts in the region, rejuvenating water bodies such as Agara Lake, Madivala Lake, Bellandur Lake, Ulsoor Lake, and Varthur Lakes. Many temples they constructed around these lakes still stand today, serving as a testament to their influence. Notably, tamarind trees planted during the time of the great Rajendra Chola continue to thrive in Nelur, marking a unique bioheritage site. The Cholas have left their mark throughout the area, and their contributions remain part of the region's historical and cultural landscape.
Well I don't know from where you got your history mate but Bengaluru was not under the control of Chola's for long time Bengaluru was ruled by Ganga Dynasty between 350 ce to 1000ce and they were under Chalukya's and Rashtrakuta's and they fought Chola's throughout their existence and defeated many chola's king in war and they in the end met their end in a skirmish between Chola and Ganga's and the someshwara temple was built by Chalukya's not Chola's Madivala Lake is a natural lake, and its creation is not attributed to a specific individual or group. The lake has undergone transformations and improvements over the years, with recent efforts to develop it into a biodiversity park. However, the original formation of the lake is a natural occurrence. Ulsoor Lake, also known as Halasuru Lake, was created by Sir Lewin Bentham Bowring, the then Commissioner of Bangalore. Although the lake is dated to Kempe Gowda’s time, the present lake was created by Sir Lewin Bentham Bowring during his period of service. Varthur Lake was created by the Ganga kings thousands of years ago for agriculture and domestic uses.
Ranveer , I'm from tamil Nadu and I really feel great about you wanting to know and spread knowledge about our history but I'm not quite satisfied with our guest and his limited info on our people and kings. Looking forward to you to bring a more knowledgeable person to unlock the mighty achievements done by our Tamil society long ago
Resident from telangana always makes connected to tamilnadu because of our history .because nearby our home a temple chaya someshwar temple built by cholas .temple is above the scientific mystery . Whenever we visit that temple always reminds me cholas &their kingdom because my uncle always taught us regarding them since our childhood .now watching /listening from someone makes me thank my mama who always teach us regarding our true indian history all are forgetting telugu because all other states taking pride in their language but it's hard to find in our youth of telangana even we should revive our language history and valor not hatred to any language just respect &concern towards mothertoungue which has more history that need to be told..
Hii ranveer bhaiya plz bring back Rajrishy Nandy Sir, and ask him the following questions-: 1. How does one figure out the best suited practice and deity for them besides their preference. 2. What practices in our religion differ wrt men and women To give you an example a) The Devya kavacham that is done alongside Durga saptashati has a verse for protection of the doer's wife does that mean women/ girls can't do that. b) The Argala stotram also done alongside Durga saptashati, it's 24 th shlok talks about the doer's wife again. The ending of Argala stotram also promises boon in masculine gender, i.e., nar Does that mean that females can't do these things . Where as the 32 names promises that for everyone, i.e., manushya (I AM NOT A PSEUDO FEMINIST THESE ARE MY GENUINE DOUBTS PLZ CONSIDER THEM) c) Similarly Rajarishy Nandi sir prescribes a 30-40 days sankalpa for siddha kunjika stotram but for quite obvious reasons most females Can't do it, any substitute for us. 3. Another question regarding siddha kunjika stotram. It contains a mantra which is some kind of expanded version of maa Durga's very famous Navarna mantra in the version of it that I read. But the I found another mantra in siddha kunjika stotram on TH-cam itself, the name of the channel is Debashish chakraborty. 5. Last, which practices actually differ for males and females in our religion (I mean I know that these differences are genuine). 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏 Plz consider this humble request bhaiya.
Sister, I have tried to answer your questions as per my understanding in tantra practices. I hope, it will help to solve all ur doubts. Answer to ur 1st question: Sometimes it is difficult to figure out deity or ishta devta for many people. It is always advised to have ishta devta as per one's 1) Own Nature and 2) Life Aims. Mainly deities are of two types - saumya and ugra. YOU SHOULD IDENTIFY DEITY SUITED TO YOUR NATURE. Mahakali, all Kali kula devis from Dasha Mahavidyas and all Bhairavs etc. are ugra devtas, Whereas Vishnu and his incarnations like Ram-Krishna, Mahadev, Ganpati and all Shri kula devis from dasha mahavidyas are generally saumya devtas unless you are praying to their ugra form in tantra. Each devta has unique characteristics like Maha Saraswati is for Vidya (Knowledge), Maha Laxmi and Vishnu for Sampatti (Wealth), Maha Kali for ultimate moksha (salvation), Ganapati for Wisdom, Hanuman for strength, Surya for developing tejas , Mahadev for getting rid of ego and so on. YOU SHOULD IDENTIFY YOUR LIFE'S GOALS AND ACCORDINGLY HAVE YOUR ISHTA DEVTA. Our scriptures advise us to pray only those deities which are capable of providing MOKSHA. This way, along with accomplishment of life's goals, you may achieve moksha in the end. Only pancha devtas (five deities) and their incarnations are capable of giving us moksha along with fullfillment of our life's goals. These are Bhagwan Vishnu, Bhagwan Mahadev, Bhagwan Ganapati, Devi Bhagwati and Bhagwan Surya. The best possible way to find out all about these deities and their qualities is to read Purana related to specific pancha devta like Bhagwatam for Vishnu, Shiva Purana for Mahadev, Devi Bhagwatam for any devi worship etc. So that you get to know about each deity and develop a sense of closeness to pick one as your ishta devta. Answer to ur 2nd question: First of all, before starting any sadhana/practice specially related to tantra. You should have proper Guru who is well established in tantra practices otherwise don't go for it by reading tantra books or internet surfing. As far as I know, devi kavacham and argala stotram are not just literal words with meaning. They are sounds encoded with particular ENERGIES by Lord Brahma with the benediction of Bhagwati to receive benefits for various purposes. Energy takes it's form according to sadhakas "THOUGHTS" in mind with continuous repetitions. Both male and female can read Kavacham and Argala stotram as per my guru. Only bhava (भाव) i.e. thoughts in mind are important. Like in Kavacham, it reads "bhaaryaam rakshatu bhairavi" (भार्यां रक्षतु भैरवी) then you should imagine praying to devi for the protection of your male partner. When a sadhika (female sadhak) takes sankalp for 31 days, during the menstrual cycle - days of sadhana are extended further to 5 days i.e. from 31 days it becomes 36 days. You should take a gap of 5 days and carry on further during menstrual cycle. Only a small prayer (क्षमा प्रार्थना) in your mother tongue should be conveyed to deity for the reasons in delaying your sadhana further. As you said, sankalp is never taken for 30 or 40 days. It is taken in odd numbers like 1,5,7,9,11,21,31,41,51 and so on. Answer to ur 3rd question: In tantra, there are many different versions of siddha kunjika stotram for different purposes like as per 1)Rudrayamala Tantra 2)Damar Tantra etc. Some are lost through history. You found different expanded versions of navarna mantra because of that. Siddha Kunjika Stotram given in Durga Saptashati is recommended for general public. Don't go for other versions without proper guru's guidance.
@@tejasvitaanand9745 If u can ask precise question, I could answer more effectively about ur doubt. There are no such differences I find in tantra for male and female sadhak. Except if u r doing a sadhana for pratyakshikaran siddhi (real time manifestation of any deity) (प्रत्यक्षीकरण सिद्धी). When manifestation takes place after successful completion of ur sadhana and deity is happy, a sadhak is asked to set up a relation between deity and him. There u can have siddhi of any male deity as your father, brother, husband or friend and in case of female deity, it is mother, sister or friend. In case of male sadhak, the relation is either wife, mother, sister or friend for any female deity. U can have this type of siddhi only for nimna koti (निम्न कोटि) devtas like apsara, yakshini, gandharva, kinnari, bhairav or bhairavi sadhana. Mahashaktis like Durga, Laxmi, Vishnu, Ganesh etc. do not manifest so easily. Never take sankalp for such deity's pratyakshikaran siddhi. Sadhak has to go through lots of dangerous situations in such cases.
If you really want to know about tamil kings history, would suggest to bring historians from tamil nadu. He literally said before 300 - 500 BCE cheras, cholas and pandiyas were tribes. There is more than just war or who ruled, It is also about how Chera Chola and pandiyas did trade, technologies and the way they ruled.
Pallava art and architecture represent an early stage of Dravidian art and architecture which blossomed to its fullest extent under the Chola Dynasty. The first stone and mortar temples of South India were constructed during Pallava rule and were based on earlier brick and timber prototypes. He is not even naming the Pallavas. Tamilnadu kingdoms starts with pallavas, next pandya, chola ,chera, Krishna deva raayalu.......so on .....
Ranveer please add english subtitles in your hindi podcast. I am an indian (tamil speaking)but i can't speak nor understand hindi..i really would like to listen your hindi podcast too.. do something plsss
Tamilan from Sri Lanka. Proud to be part of Chola heritage. We were concord, we fought, and got rid of them from SL. Still, we love the Cholas. Visit Polonaruwa.
Karnataka history is very different from the rest of the South Indian states... Please make a podcast on Karnata empires like Rastrakutas, chalukyas, Yadavas, Gangas, vijayanagara empire... Many dynasties and empires from Karnataka have ruled the northern and western part of indian states from gujrat to bengal...
@@vijayinformativevlogs1627 I think Sattvavahanas defeated Pallavas yes, but neither the Chalukyas nor the Rastrakuttas defeated Cholas, they won wars, both sides lost territory to each other different times, but until the raise of late Pandiyas I think with help of Hoysalas (who very close relatives of Cholas) and Srilankans defeated Cholas in 13'th century, before that no one defeated Cholas.
@@vijayinformativevlogs1627Yes we did, Vikramaditya 2nd defeated Pallavas so badly that Cholas who were feudatories of Pallavas defeated Pallavas and came to main play. We defeated Cholas many times - Look at the Rashtrakutas war at Takkolam , the cholas couldn't forget the humiliation they faced for centuries after this. And why do you think Rajendra Chola went to Ganga got the title Gangaikonda Chola by travelling over coastal side in the east ?? Because we Karnatas ( Chalukyan empire) was there spread across till Bihar.
I AM FROM TAMILNADU, watch your podcasts regularly. most from the north dont take effort to highlight tamil history. but when you do that, you will be loved a lot more.
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Interesting talk. However when the question of the Chola’s religion came up the hesitancy to say it was from Vedam, Veda or Sanatana Dharma which was practiced throughout Bharat is an insult to the Cholas. Also when commenting on the life of the average person during the early rule of these Kingdoms the pure speculation that people were not taken care off is revealing of the conscious or subconscious bias’s Sir has. A Raja’s prime duty per Sanatana Dharma is his people. Maybe it is the long Marxists influence in the South, which wanted to destroy native faith and governance systems over many decades, but I got the impression at times from various comments Sir made that he has some disdain for the Hindu cultural and religious heritage of the South. Or it could be just a result of long exposure to incorrect narratives that Sir is unknowingly expressing himself in such ways.
Other than that interesting talk
@BeerBiceps uncle please invite BM hedge to the podcast
Please do a podcast with major Ravi
Bring Lalli Multani
I am from South India. Please bring on G.Deivanayagam, an authority on Chola Dynasties and Kudavayil Balasubramanian - former curator and publication manager at Saraswathi Mahal Library. These people are getting old, so kindly call them soon on your show. People like these are a body of knowledge, dedicated their whole life in R&D.. it's my humble request
Yeah I totally agree. Beer biceps team please bring these two legends Deivanayagam sir and Balasubramanian sir to this show and record their vast knowledge about cholas history.
You are right. Please interview them to understand Chola dynasty!!!
Thats exactly what I was thinking
G Deivanayagam would be best person to justify this topic
5:40 by this part of the episode it's already clear my Raghavan Srinivasan knows very little bad research on Tamil History. Sad to see.
Raja Raja Chola is famous not only for his Empire expansion, he is a very knowledgeable, with creative problem-solving skills and strategic vision, a very good administrator
Just saw a video how the cholas built dams strategically to split the Cauvery River into many branches and then spread it out over several hundred Sq kms. That's some terraforming knowledge
5:40 by this part of the episode it's already clear my Raghavan Srinivasan knows very little bad research on Tamil History. Sad to see.
Did you see the condition of his samadhi sthal, is that how you celebrate your greatest Raja? Don't you guys feel ashamed of yourself Calling him your raja
@@l3x475 current politics 😢
And for commissioning the construction of Brihadeeshwara kshetra in Thanjavur. 🙏🙏🕉️🕉️
I am from Thanjavur and even today there are evidences left by the Cholas Kallani Dam was built by Karikala Cholan two thousand years ago on the Cauvery River and it is still in use today, it is the pride of our India. If you want information about this, it is now available in Thanjavur
It's also the second oldest dam in the world
''pride of india'' it was built by South Indians for South indians
I'm from Noida. And I respect those historic stories and tamil people too.
As a Tamilian my kind request to you is to re-interview about Chola Dynasty with better knowledgeable person about our history
The tamil never request these bramin bastreds they are here to fals the histry of tamils in their favor
It's tamilan not tamil(i)an
@raghulkannan208 Tamilian is English word and accepted too. But Tamizhan is perfect Tamil word....plus Tamilian is gender neutral.....females can use too...
I'm a teen from madurai,Tamilnadu
I love that you made this podcast but still our great history is not fully justified here..
You could interview another person who has a wholesome wisdom about our Tamil history❤
I heard cholas called themselves descendants of lord ram
But hardcore Shiva devotees
Cholas called themselves as Surya Kulam
The guest is peddling biased superficial ideas. Better to listen to or read Kudavayil Balasubramaniam, Arumai Nayagam who did archaeological works not only in TN but also in Italy, Greece and Far Eastern countries and Mannar Mannan. Lot of old Tamil literature in Pathu Paaatu, Ettu Thogai and Pathinen Keezh Kanakku has historical references. I do not think Raghavan Srinivasan dwelled into any of them.
I'm from Chennai. Hi. I always wondered why Chennai is the capital. Why not Madurai or thanjai
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Earlier days.. Sea ports are important for any traveling and transportation...
next, early to travel from one place to another on land one has to cross one kingdom to another.. So, it is highly impossible..
Fun fact the Valyrian Steel from Game of Thrones which is originally inspired from a real life Steel known as the damascus steel ( it had nothing to do with Damascus Syria except for being exported from there to rome) is an invention of the Tamils. The Chera kindgom of karur!
Yes I found a research paper related to that. In the old days they called it ukku steel.
@@vinupower ukku mean melt..
That is not ukku, uruku = mixed
5:40 by this part of the episode it's already clear my Raghavan Srinivasan knows very little bad research on Tamil History. Sad to see.
@@vinupowerit’s called urukku meaning melt
To know more and deep about Cholas and other dynasties - please bring Prof. Deivanayakam ....he and his father are researcher, archeologist and he can talk english and bring cholas period to present in narrative...
Yes, agreed.. He had more information compared to this gentleman. Also, he has written a book on cholla History.
I am not a history student but still I can tell about Tamilnadu history more than him. He is telling only wine was imported from Rome. Glass, Gold were the main items. Exports include spices, animals like tiger, elephant, leopard ete, muslin, germs.The Greek and Arabic names for rice (Oryza and urz), ginger(Gingibar and zanjabil) and cinnamon (Karpion and quarfa) are almost identical with their Tamil names, arisi, inchiver and karuva.When Pallava were ruling , Pandiyas also were ruling in the south. Only Cholas were vessels of Kanchipuram. During Gupta period , Samudra Gupta came upto Kanchi when early Pallava king Vishnugopa was ruling..
In my view the main reason for the ancient Tamilagam being so rich is because of its position in the Indian Ocean region. Many of the Transit ports of the Ancient world, especially the ones between Greece and China were situated in the Tamil regions of South India. There are historical records and Artifacts which confirm the fact that Foreigners were a common site back then and there are enough archeological evidence of Greek colonies in various parts of Tamilnadu (Probably created by the Greek Sea farers and traders of that time). So it is Trade that enriched the region in addition to being an agrarian society. There is an ancient saying in tamil 'Thiraikadal odi Thiraviyam thedu' which translates to 'Surf the seas to earn the fruit called wealth' which aptly reflects the outlook of the Tamil Society. Even the Chola conquest of Srivijaya was due to the fact that the king of Srivijaya was disgruntled by the Cholas controlling the trade and taking away the earnings that could otherwise come to his kingdom. He therefore created frequent disturbances to the Tamil Merchant groups and their Ships carrying valuables to China and Vice versa! The gentle man here missed this crucial part.
My grandmother knows everything he said and she could have said it in a better way too. Anyway I am a teen from Tamilnadu who really love the work ur doing. Thanks.
Well said
Really!!!!
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Thanks Bhai ❤love from TN.
I am a Keralite and I can say the Tamil history or South Indian history is not justified here 🙁
Bro I am with you 💯
Exactly... As a person interest in history i could tell more facts than him... Pls bring someone more knowledgeable like MANNAR MANNAN or Prof. Ko. DEIVANAYAGAM to the show pls
Very true
I am 😂
@secularmama it was in the past and after Sanskrit came then comes other south Indian languages..... People will understand this when they study how south Indian languages came and why they have similar words with tamil 👌😉
I'm kannadiga I love Tamil language
It's very easy to talk where other language having very huge words
But Tamil is very simple and sweet
really bro what i hear kannadiga people are hate tamils
@@kishorekingsteel7624 Some people prefer to stay in one place their whole lives, never experiencing new cultures or meeting new people. However, not everyone is the same. Some people enjoy exploring different places and meeting people from diverse backgrounds.
Not all, there are some people they act very bad.
@@kishorekingsteel7624 We hate Tamil Politicians not people
Sangam 1 was inaugrated by sivan🎉 himself 20,000 years ago in kumari kandam
Sangam 2 is inaugrated by murugun🎉 about 11,000 years ago (during the kumari continental drift)
Sangam 3 was inaugrated by tiruchy thirumal.🎉
For your kind info.
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Hey Ranveer!
Who told people from Tamilnadu don't watch your show?
I am from Tamilnadu living in Bangalore, haven't missed any of your podcast, and same is the case with most of my friends, a small request to add English Subtitles to your Hindi podcast, we feel we're missing out to lot of quality content just because of the language barrier.
And the quality of content is insanely getting better ever show, keep going✌
Bro I think Tamilians living in Tamil Nadu might not watch that much...
@@vickyv4707
I am from coimbatore, TN.
Me and many of my friends follow TRS podcasts.
It's quite popular here.
@vicky I am from Chennai
Hello I m from Erode...never missed an episode....even TRS ..
Some people will always watch from anywhere.
I'm from Tamil Nadu. I really appreciate your efforts to know about our culture. I follow your podcasts also.
Looks like he got his knowledge reading kalkai and balakumarans novels and trying drive his own agenda. Lot of gaps in his narrative!😢
As a Tamilan i would say one thing that you took wrong person to tell about our history. I appreciate the interest of Ranveer but i suggest to bring someone best person to know even more. There are lot to know
Whom you suggest?
He's average
So many historians, archeologust s know more than him
@@sridharsingaravelu4467Dr.Amarnath who worked as AD and Director of ASI worked in unearthing at Rakhigari or Prof. Devinayagam worked for UNESCO.
Please bring “Odisha Balu” he is expert in Ancient Tamilians which the present Tamilians are not even aware of.
@@cosmicegoink mate he is deceased. Only his spirit has to come for the show.
Main problem of this podcast is not that he is not knowing the details but the modulation and way of speaking, basically he doesn't want any greatness to be given to Tamil Nadu and the way of his speech confirms that.
You got the point
As a historian you need to be as unbiased as possible. You an only talk about the details with specifics uncovered from historical artifacts and should not speculate.
this is what everyone dislikes..ready to downgrade others.typical illiterate tamil superiority attitude
Precisely. He seems reluctant to say anything good. He calls the Pandyas Cholas and Pallavas "satraps"! God
@@Ramkeev 👍
Mannar mannan is the right person for this show. Since he has evidence & history in plate for your understand & accept
He doesn't know cholas of Solar dynasty were the lineage of Lord Sri Rama.....
@@saththiyambharathiyan8175 he doesn't know because it is not true 😂😂😂😂
@@Uchihaclan9339 Hey.... ignoran.... go and read the inscriptions and edicts of cholas.... you will come to know which is true and which is not true....
48:50 Saivam is the Religion followed by Cholas, every town in tamilnadu has round 4-5 temple and atleast one temple will be biggest in size... Tamilnadu is the place where most hindu temples were built in india ... could be around 1,00,000
Cholas history started way back during karkala Chola where , the oldest dam was built which s still functional in Tiruchirapalli ( Kalanai dam)...
Yesss really!!!
5:40 by this part of the episode it's already clear my Raghavan Srinivasan knows very little bad research on Tamil History. Sad to see.
B4 karikala chola they were chola kings too , but he wad the influential and strongest kung during his time in indian subcontinent
Yes correct. Karikala cholan is the first cholan.
@@debodatta7398 yeah❤
According to him 3 kings are tribal kingdom untill 6th century. So one of the oldest dam which is still functionel was built in 2 century by a chola king Karikalan, Meenakshi Amman temple built by Padiyas in 1800 years ago, tamil poets were regrouped under an assembly called Sangam. Do you think these are tribal kingdoms???
Tribal jungal me rahte h to yr tribal nahi h
i am a mallu from Tamilnadu bro....i do enjoy ur podcasts along with my friends
they too enjoy it...your selection of topics are wide range and interesting to all kind of social people
Petition to bring the person who is fully knowledgeable abt Tamil history. Really this guy?
You should have brought - Professor G Deivanayagam, an authority on Chola history and a well-known scholar of temple architecture . Orisa balu and prof deivanayagam are the write person to tell chola history bro . Orisa balu is no more 😢 but bring Prof G deivanayagam
They are all anti-hindu
5:40 by this part of the episode it's already clear my Raghavan Srinivasan knows very little bad research on Tamil History. Sad to see.
There are so many Tamil historians who knows the length and depth of the history.. ranveer, please do your research before getting these people into the show when talking about Tamil Nadu or for that matter South Indian History.. you had a very bad choice with Keerthi and this episode ..
Why should we feel offended for being called a tribal kingdom? We should be proud for our achievements. We are not insignificant.
Rip orisa balu sir😢💔
Hi Ranveer - this is Senthil from Chennai. I am one a great fan of your podcast and shows. My humble request is to have to have an expert like Devianayagam sir and Manar Mannan who are the real scholars who can throw light on real facts and real history oh cholas, cheras, Pandyas and pallavas. With due respect I wanted to say that there is no justice done here in this show
True bro
True
Exactly 👍
Mr. DeivNayagam Sir is despite great scholar but he is not belonging to bhramin community
19:55 have interview with archeologist Mr. Ananth ramakrishnan, R. Balakrishnan I.A.S. retired to get clear history with archeological evidence.
the guest is not well versed.feels like he has an agenda not to give the tamil emperors the due credit they deserve he casually says that the common men would have most probably lived under hardships and says tamil kings lived life drinking expensive wine,the entire chola period is recorded as a golden period for people,tamil kings wore expensive jewellery yes but did not induldge in debauchery,they were deeply spiritual and pious thus the creation of magnificent shiva temples,i guess the guest is a wolf under sheep's clothing,probably because of his caste affliation,god knows but what i truly understand is that he is deliberately trying to tarnish the glorious tamil history
Moreover it he was jumping between topics without any common thread.
Also, how could he say about Southeast Asia "they had some kingdoms" or something like that, when the Southeast Asian direction was the most important for the Cholas.
I don't know much about the history or not an expert, but I too felt he was not giving any credit to anything the emperors were capable of - hearing from one another historian will help validate his views
I fully agree wit this view. Raghavan s not really conversant wit Chera, Chozha, Panditas n Pallavas Rule n history. A poor reflection of reality.😢
It was Rajendra who won the Battles for Raja Rajan and expanded his territory to the peak. Unsung superhero of Chola Dynasty was truly Rajendra!
No,Raja Raja also fought many wars,he captured half of Lanka but his son is the one who finished the job
Accepted, Rajendran is much better and greater warrior than Raja Rajan. But Raja Raja cholan was the greatest administrator as well as a great warrior.
As an Indian from South..i would request someone else more knowledgeable to talk about the Cholas. Archeologist Nagaswamy sir is the best to talk about these topics. A humble request!
J Sai 💪💪
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Unfortunately Nagaswamy sir is no more
He was right wing though. It is either left or right. Iravadam Mahadevan was neutral.
👿👿👿 This raghavan is a Telugu person just like DMK first family and is trying to putdown Tamil History. Its our true TAMILIANS fate we have to hear this. Mark my words REAL TAMIL will uprise and we will showcase our true history soon. These STOOGES will be put in their place. 👿👿👿
39:33 Cholas conquered east of India went on to conquer Combodia, Java Sumatra
The way Mr Raghavan Srinivasan is explaining, is making casual comments, however the real story is not what he is describing. It is much more intense and there are people who are much more knowledgeable than Mr Raghavan Srinivasan.
It was Rajendra Chola, son of Raja Rajan.. who went till Ganges… he even named his new capital city GangaikondaChola Puram as a tribute to the win.
Cholas became so rich because of their dominance of Indian Ocean, Naval Fleet, Army, Food Technology, Banking, Construction Technology, Metallurgy, import and export, etc., Above all their Literature and Knowledge that’s what made them rich.
It's 1:11 am Indonesia time.
I'm enjoying this episode. Really amazing guests on your show.
I can sleep listening to these History talks (it's a compliment)
& sometimes lose sleep completely (it's a compliment)
Thanks
There is much more about cholas, cheras and pandiyas but he revealed just a drop.. even in Egypt and parts of Europe we find inscription of tamil alphabets in their coins... And stone inscriptions in tamil.
Native from Andhra .....Born and brought up entirely in Chattisgarh and now working in Tamil Nadu . I love Indian heritage. We should cherish the good things from our history. These podcasts are really informative and I love listening to it to before sleep and the quality of content has improved so much . Kudos to the team
He he same here native from Andhra ...Born and brought up in CG ,studied and worked in Chennai now living in Bangalore..
@@gayatris4169 Haha that's nice
...my next place probably is bglr
@@transparentguy9096 that's nice
I appreciate ranveer for this podcast 🎉, but as a tamilan I felt that our history could have been discussed more precisely. Also Raghavan srinivasan sir is good thought it could be better.
I will suggest 2 TH-cam channels as they explain alot after lots of research
1. Sunday distrubance
2. Deep talks tamil
Its would be good if they have a podcast with them 😊
Looking forward for more of you're podcast 🫂
Sangamithra Ashoka voda daughter name ithu. 👍
You missed payitru padaipaggam
I am a history student and there were so many good kingdoms in Indian history who were great but in personal I just love chola kingdom .....thanks for giving us this podcast ❤❤❤❤
Ranveer please do podcast on Tamil Sangam by itself. It’s huge with lots of rich knowledge on poetry, vedas, puranas and Hinduism
After the Kalabhras the Pandyas and the Pallavas rose to power simultaneously and next 400 years it was intense rivalry between them and the Pandyas were the dominant force when the Cholas rose in the 9th century. Cheras were pushed to the western side of the Western Ghats.
Petition to Bring B. M. Hegde on the TRS!!!!🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏💯💯💯💯💯
True. @beerbiceps consider this
❤
Yes please
Dr. BM Hegde is seriously ill. He may never be available for any public forum.
Yes really needed
Thank You Ranvir For Taking An Tamil Podcast Because I'm An Thamizhan And I'm Seeing Your Videos For More Then Like 7 Years Maybe Because I'm Seeing Your Videos From My School Days...
Make podcast about bhakti movement which started from Tamilnadu and spread to entire Indian subcontinent & made changes in the entire Indian culture
Great tamil bhakti classical like thevaram ,thiruvasagam, Divya prabhandam
Good suggestion ❤
Much needed otherwise hinduism would have wiped out of India
Great suggestion. There is so much to learn there. My husband and I do some work there.
Search for Siva Siva madhisudi as keywords
5:40 by this part of the episode it's already clear my Raghavan Srinivasan knows very little bad research on Tamil History. Sad to see.
Love for tamil is the highest thing in this world
Hi Ranveer, i'm a diaspora Tamil from Malaysia and a fan of your channel. It helps me tap into the current Indian zeitgeist. Of course the history of the Cholas is much much bigger and more complex than can be covered within a podcast like this. But i am glad there is enough interest in ancient South India that merited a podcast episode. I guess Pooniyin Selvan helped pique their interest.
I am also glad you interviewed a historian who is careful to stick with recorded facts. Good episode, dude.
எல்லோருக்கும் வணக்கம்! தஞ்சாவூர் ❤
I am very proud be a watch this particular podcast, lot's of love from cholas 😊
I know these topics won't attract much views but they are important for Indians as we don't know much about our own history.
This guy is a terrible Cholas historian though. I think Kamini Dandapani is a much better pick
It will grab views
@@cokedupnormies2651yes ditto i get the same notion while I was reading his book.
@@cokedupnormies2651why bro?
@@vineekmarhatta7586May be he is expecting commercial Tamil movie hype about Cholas😂😂. I think he fairly covered key aspects. Barring raja raja Chola, Rajendra Chola even tamilains won't talk much about others. This speaker touched upon these emperors. Also he stated fact that longest survived empire.
As Tamils, we are very proud of our History and the impact the kingdoms from this part of the world had on the larger world. These kings and kingdoms are household topics in families even today where history is verbally passed on. Very glad rest of Bharath is now getting to know this ❤
But why are Tamilians converting to Christianity so rapidly even knowing what their ancestors like Cholas did and achieved plus A lot of DMK members were offended by the Ponniyin Selvan movie which was again about Chola ???
@@siddyray3361 brother the Christian missionaries are doing these things not only in Tamil Nadu they're doing this all over India they are using the poverty of those people and converting them Tamil Nadu is the land of Hindus the majority of the people are serious followers of Hindu gods the DMK party is anti-bramins party they calling them self as an anti-caste party or anti-Brahmanism party but the truth is they don't like brahmins superiority but they like to stamp Dalits by the name of caste the story starts from justices party to DK and then to DMK and then to AIADMK the DMK and aiadmk are political parties were DMK is a strict anti-brahmins party and always scolds gods that's why AIADMK has a lot of vote percentage than DMK if have to read a lot to know more about Tamil Nadu and about those so-called dravida parties i can't summarise 70 years history here just start from justices party and then EV Ramasamy and then DK and then AIADMK if you read all those history then you will get answer about your questions why they got offended by PS movie but i can say you that this is last tenure for DMK in tamil nadu they will not rule again for atleast 15 years
@@siddyray3361lack of knowledge about their 🕉 and unaware of their ancestors .
@@siddyray3361 Only scheduled caste peoples are converting to Christianity
@@NaveenRock62see! Dravidianism victimhood is backfiring you !! Even though Bihar is considered no.1 in caste discrimination but every hindu there is proud of hindu identity, but TN?? I didn't expected it. Vote DMK eradicate Sanatan dharm lol
Tamils are responsible! In this Sense biharis are far better
Watching as a Tamil Indian from Durban, South Africa 🇿🇦 🇮🇳
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Thoroughly enjoyed this episode. Please do an episode with Kudavayil Balasubramanian. He is a micro-historical researcher and a scholar who has taken sculpture, architecture and Music development of the Chola period as his primary subject of study. He has explored new domains of Chola history. Art history in Tamil Nadu is not well documented. It is still studied today as part of public history. Kudavayil Balasubramanian has created a model for writing the art history of Tamil Nadu through his extensive research on Chola period temples.
The important monument that he forgot is Raja Raja chola ancestors has built abridge called kallanai 2000 years back
Raja Raja was not just a conqueror,He was into advance agriculture,water management,funds management, architecture women wrre involved in politics,he tried to include all the religions like Budhism,built temples etc.He was a good ruler,ardent shiva devotee and a lot more
@BeerBiceps- please check out how Chola dynasty also mingled with Indonesian , Phillipines , Thai, Malay with marrying into them to expand territories . The history Books of Thailand etc talks about it
Whenever I get to hear my hometown which is madurai getting mentioned related tamil history. Proper goosebumps moment for me 🤩❤️
I think We need a great Expertise to explain the Tamil Culture and History in a Crystal Clear way, But the Problem is Who know Tamil History Deeply Were Monolingual Mostly.
There are also some Young People Knows History deep and Multilingual like Dushyanth Sridhar.
He was such a Knowledgeable and humble person.
Just bring him over he got many topics on tamil literature and Vedic things
Ragaven simply forgot the kallanai,which was build 2000 years ago across Kaveri river to expand agriculture
Lands. This dam is still in use.
This canning man tells cholas came from telungu county. Cholas are in existence over sangam period
This ragaven just changing history may be with some motive.
Rajendera chola is the most powerful among all cholas, he who led northern expedition to Ganges and defeated
The pale emperor of West Bengal and then these days miyanmar in the north and then south east Asia expedition.
5:40 by this part of the episode it's already clear my Raghavan Srinivasan knows very little bad research on Tamil History. Sad to see.
This is 101 of tamilian history. Please bring more people to learn tamilian history in depth
Cholas, Pandyas and Cheras 👑🔥 chapters in my VII standard 🤓📖... Thank you Ranveer Bhaiya 🧒🏻❤️ for bringing history in your podcast 🎙️✨.
May be just like 1 or two pages in the text book
Wrong history
Pallavas were the royals
@@akhilyaminedi323😂😂😂😂😂😂idiots
Thankyouuuuuu, I've always felt like our textbooks don't talk about the glory of South Kings and their glorious rule where art, literature, divinity flourished. I'm sooo happy that this exists!
Our textbooks are filled with all Invaders Glorification bro nd in this podcast they've spoken of Tamil Kings mainly
There are many more Karnata Empires also
TRS should invite people who know real history of Tamil Nadu
Great podcast ranveer! Glad to learn about the history of the Chola Empire... I would love to see a podcast about the Vijaynagara Empire too..❤️❤️
Bro,
I'm from Tamil Nadu and I appreciate your efforts🙏🙏🙏
I am Malaysian Tamil Indian. My ancestors must be from the Cholas empire. BTW, I watch all your podcasts.
😂😂😂
No you went there as rubber plantation workers during british rule as soldiers and coolies.
@@jaghanIN Why would you laugh?
@@sepa3740there were indians in that region even before british cqme to malaya
@@neerajm9096Mute head read the history well and you will know cholas invaded far east and hence there is no surprise Tamils living there even before Britishers. It’s the same way in Srilanka too. Do you understand why the Srilankan Tamil nationalists used Tiger flag? Buddy wake up from the slumber. Looks like too much of BJP hangover you are carrying. 😊
The origins of Chola kings of Tamil lands mentioned in the copper plates unearthed in a place called Thiruvalangadu about 100 years ago gives common ancestry to Cholas with Ikshvahus until the time Mandhaata.
After Mandhaata there was a division. In the Ikshvaku dynasty, only the eldest son ascended the throne.
The other children of the king had ruled other parts or had founded their own dynasties. King Sibi had come in the lineage of siblings.
In Sibi’s lineage, king Cholavarman came who founded the Chola kingdom. This information is found in the copper plates.
A famous Vedic king was associated with Swat region. He was none other than King Sibi (Sivi) who offered his flesh to a hawk to save a pigeon. In his book, ‘Ancient Geography of India’, Cunningham quotes Hwen Thsang that “the legend of ‘the hawk and the pigeon’ in which Buddha, to save a pigeon tears his own flesh and offers to hawk” occurred in the region of Swat. He also quotes Fa-Hian as saying “that Buddha was then a king named Shi-pi-ka or Sivika”. The name, Bodhibhavana during Ramayana times reinforces the presence of ascetics and others immersed in Knowledge and salvation in this region of Swat.
Sibi was originally a king of Vedic culture, born to Madhavi, the daughter of King Yayati. His father was Usinara. In an amazing correlation, Swat River that starts at Kalam is joined by two rivers one of them known by name ‘Ushu’! The phonetic similarity with Usinara cannot be ignored.
Mahabharata recounts this legend of King Sibi at many places (MB:3:196, 3;207, 13:32, 13:67 &14:90). At one place he is said to be the king of Kasi (Mahabharata 13-32). But as with siblings and cousins, Sibi must have sought a place for himself away from ancestral roots and had chosen the region at the commencement of Swat, then known as Ikshumati! His descendants occupied the entire region of River Sindhu in due course taking up various names as Sivi, Saibya, Sauvira and so on. The lesser known name is ‘Sembiya’ which the Cholas of Tamil lands held for themselves. It is from the genealogy of Cholas, we come to know that Sibi was an ancestor of Rama!
Sibi as ancestor of Rama and Cholas.
The genealogy of Cholas is found in the copper plates of Thiruvalangadu. It traces the origin of Cholas from the Solar dynasty of the Ikshvakus and continued with the same names of Rama’s genealogy till Mandhata. After Mandhata a divergence comes. In Rama’s genealogy, Susandhi takes over the reign from him. (Valmiki Ramayana 1.70.26). In Chola’s genealogy, Muchukunda’s name appears after Mandhata and continues with Vallabha, Prithulaksha and others till Bharata. Cholavarma, one of the sons of Bharata founded the Chola race in the Chola country.
Only the eldest son came to the Ikshvaku throne. This explains why the genealogy diverged after Mandhata. Sibi came in the lineage of Muchukunda, the sibling to the king of Ayodhya.
The Cholas were proud of their lineage from Sibi and called themselves as ‘Sembiyan’ - a derivative from Sibi. This was mentioned at several places in Sangam literature and to name a few in Puram 37 and 39. The information not known to outside world is thatRama also was considered as an ancestor of the Cholas.
Though there is no direct mention of the name as Rama (so also with Sibi, as that name was never mentioned in the verses but only through an allusion to the legend of hawk and the pigeon), the reference to him is found mentioned along with Sibi. Rama’s name was indicated by the reference to the destruction of Ravana’s city, signified as “thoongeyil” - the fortress that was hanging from the sky - a reference to its location on a mountain touching the clouds. It appeared as though Ravana’s city was hanging down from the clouds. Allusion to Rama as the destroyer of “thoongeyil” is mentioned inPurananuru - 39, Siripaanaattru-padai - 79-82, Pazhamozhi - 49, Silappadhikaram - 29-16-4/5, Manimegalai - 1-4, Kalingatthu-p-paraNi - Raja - 17, Raja raja Chozhan vula - 13, Vikrama Chozhan vula 8-9.
With the Tamil chronicles establishing Rama along with Sibi in the same lineage, the verse in Ramayana on ancestors of Rama in the city watered by river Ikshumati could only be an allusion to Sibi.
Copper plate written in two langauge tamil and sanskrit. Tamil version is 30 years older than sanskrit. Tamil version didnt had genealogy, about full of document regarding temple and lake repair, donations and legal gaurdians. Sanskrit mythology part added by brahminsn cholas themselve not aware of it.probably manuplation.
@@skyquestmaniso if you don't know anything then it's brahim ? Uneducated fool
@@skyquestmani According to Purāṇas and Tamil sources, Chola was a brother of Pāndya. Evidently, ancient Cholas were the descendants of the Puru or
Chandra dynasty. Later, the Chola dynasty of Tamil Nadu had been mixed up with the Ikśvāku kings of Andhra. Thus, many Telugu Chola lineages (Velanati, Renati, Pottapi, Mudigonda and more) came into existence. This may be the reason why the later Cholas claim their origin from Sūrya Vaṁśa. The Charala plates and Kanyakumari inscription of Vira Rajendra
Chola give the following chronological list from Brahma to Vijayālaya:
1. Brahma 19. Chola
2. Marīchi 20. Rājakesari
3. Kaśyapa 21. Parakesari
4. Vivasvān 22. Mrityujit
5. Ikśvāku 23. Vīrasena
6. Vikukśi 24. Chitra
7. Purañjaya 25. Puṣpaketu
8. Kakustha 26. Ketumāla
9. Prithu 27. Samudrajit
10. Kuvalāśva 28. Pañchapa
11. Māndhātā 29. Nrimrida
12. Muchukunda 30. Manoratha
13. Hariśchandra 31. Perunatkilli
14. Sagara 32. Karikāla
15. Bhagīratha 33. Vallabha
16. Rituparṇa 34. Jagadekamalla
17. Dilīpa 35. Vyālabhayankara
18. Rāma, Lakśmaṇa, Bharata,
Śatrughna
36. Vijayālaya, the founder of later Chola dynasty
@@descendantofbharatbharatva7155 these wer in found in later chola sanskrit inscription. Not in early cholas or sangam literture. None of chola king name in sangam literture wer sanskrit. Renadu chola claim the descended from karikala chola. Indeed chola wer pushed to andhra when kalabirar in power, and also cholas wer supporting kalinga branch of lanka while pandiyas supporting aryan branch in srilanka. Cholas itself retroflex sound unique to tamil.
@@skyquestmani The Chronology of Cholas
According to Manimekhalai and Tamil legends, Kāveri River was
released from his water vessel (Kamandal) by Rishi Agastya in response to the prayer of Chola King Kantan, or Kantaman. Kalingattuparani and
Vikramacholan Ula indicate that King Kantan was the earliest known
king of Cholas and a contemporary of Rishi Agastya and Paraśurāma.
He was also a contemporary of King Tondaiman. The legends of Vada
Thirumullaivayil indicate that King Tondaiman was a junior contemporary of Śiva and Murugan. King Kantan gave his kingdom to his illegitimate son, Kakandan, in order to escape from Paraśurāma.
Kakandan ruled from the city of Champā, which came to be known as Kākandi, Puhar and Kaveripattanam. Sangam literature refers to another Chola king, Tungeyilerinda Todittot Sembian, a descendant of Śivi, who destroyed the forts of Asuras. He started the celebration of Indra festival for twenty-eight days at the instance of Rishi Agastya (a descendant of Agastya).
The Rāmāyaṇa refers to the kingdom of Cholas. Therefore, it is
chronologically absurd to establish King Chola as a descendant of Sri
Rāma. Seemingly, the Chandra Vaṁśa of the Cholas and the Sūrya Vaṁśa of the descendants of King Aśmaka or King Danḍaka were mixed up after the Rāmāyaṇa era.
Traditionally, the Cholas had three surnames: Killi, Valavan and
Sembian. According to Vīracholīyam, Sembian means a descendant of King Śivi. Probably, Sembians or descendants of Śivi also settled in Tamil Nadu and became a lineage of Cholas, being Chandra Vaṁśis. Ancient Tamil sources mention the names of 122 Chola kings who reigned around 5000-1020 BCE.
Before the rise of Vijayālaya (150-180 CE), the lineage of Muttarayar ruled in Tanjavur. The city of Tanjavur was the capital of Muttarayar kings. The name of Tanjavur city is derived from the name of Tananjaya (Dhanañjaya or Arjuna). It is traditionally believed that Muttarayars came from North. Seemingly, Sūrya Vaṁśi Cholas of Andhra Pradesh, known as Muttarayar, occupied the Chola Kingdom around 600-500 BCE as allies of the Pallavas. Vijayālaya, a descendant of another branch of Cholas, conquered the Chola Kingdom from Elango Muttarayar, the last king of the Muttarayar dynasty.
Recent kizaadi excavations pottery found is seems to be similar to indus civilization that would put earlier settlers far back that what we have in text books and even pandiya king was mentioned in Mahabharata war and there is also references to tamil god Muruga so tamil kingdom is much old close to Mahabharata period and not tribes , if they were just tribes then how sangam culture started so early , in fact with sangam culture it already proves that development is huge with a thinking society and people in general rich and more advanced
Preserving this History & taking this knowledge to youger generations is very important 🙏
What made different regarding agriculture?
Technology of creating lakes . Where water is stored. Knowledge of managing water is the game changer .
Edging in global Trading ?
Tamil Nadu is like current Singapore where Chinese and European met. There were business guild and corporate group which facilitates this.
I’ve been following you since your first podcast that impacted me really really deep . And now that you are consistently coming up with such podcast is mesmerising. Please don’t stop!!!!
Netflix should stream a documentary on Chandragupta, Ashoka, Samudragupta, Rajaraja Chola, Pulakeshin 2, Amogvarsha just like they did with Oda Nobunaga
Oda Nobunaga is a fairly recent guy compared to Pulikeshi or others you mentioned.
Also rajendra chola
I don't think one documentary is enough to cover entire chola Kingdom..
Kannada Pride. Kannada Power.
Netflix is woke. Why would you think they would be remotely interested in us? Look at what they did to cleopatra
Hey Ranveer, I am a Tamil girl. And yeah, I'm fallen for your three tamil words and interest towards getting to know about the tamil history.... Man I'm actually your fan, it's been 2 years now watching your videos. You're doing very well... We Love you and support you...from Tamil Nadu
The way ranveer said a" tamil guy talking to Romans/ Italian's" sounded mocking... we did not expect this from you.
Petition to bring Dr Balakrishnan IAS on TRS. He wrote the book' A journey of a civilization ' Indus to Vaigai. about Indus civilization.
A Sri Lankan 🇱🇰 here. I always wanted to know bout Cholas in depth, our arch enemy 😂. Thank you for doing this fascinated episode Ranveer. Kudos!!!
Don't worry, cholas will comeback one day, to pay you back😅😅😅
@@senthilkumars7407Then they will lose again like always happened...
We are literally of the same blood I'm a Sri Lankan Tamil 😂😂. I have ancestry in both chola and Lankans 😂😂😂. Brothers should unite 😁 after fighting in our teenage years .
@@chamarajayasinghe8233 Cholas invaded you and kicked you like dogs many times. How many times have you invaded the Tamil region of India? You can not even dream about it. Just don't dream too much. All Sri Lanka should have in mind is either being under Tamil kingdoms prosperously or being a debt Nation with zero world recognition. We are taking about empires here and Sinhala kings were never known to swim out of the island. Shut up and keep waiting. Time is not far away
@@chamarajayasinghe8233😁😁😁😁😁 Great Cholas came and ruled siri lanka many time but which siri lankan king Came out from indian ocean
Soo proud to watch being Tamilian . Looking forward to see more history from rest of our country ❤❤❤
There where tradional ancient highways which are not researched extensively
Pandyas organized three Tamil literary academies(sangams) to develop Tamil language. They ruled south of tamilnadu till a region called Kumari continent mentioned in tholkappiyam which is a Tamil grammar developed around 500BC. First 2 sangam happened these regions. After it is been destroyed by tsunami these regions are under sea. Then they shifted capital to Madurai which is currently there. On there 3rd sangam happened. But Pandyas did not do much inscriptions, their story we can come to know by poems from sangam age. Pandyas ruled more time than Cholas
finally one person talking sense .
So true! The Pandyas also had copper inscriptions, the most prominent one being the Velvikudi inscription which is in London museum now.
Thanks for saying this
Exactly .. Nailed it .. And he was saying there is no records for sangam literature 1 &2 . what is this .. He would have bring some other scholar to his podcast
@@deepanrajmohan9880this is always happened
The Chola kings of the past were known for their secular outlook, as they encouraged both Shaivism and Vaishnavism. In what is now Bangalore, they left a lasting legacy by constructing temples and lakes. Examples include the Someshwar temple in Ulsoor dedicated to Shiva, and the Chokkanathaswamy temple in Domlur dedicated to Vishnu, both situated on the banks of the South Pennar River, known as Dakshina Pinakini in Kannada or Thenpennai/Ponnaiyar in Tamil.
Moreover, the Cholas undertook extensive lake dredging efforts in the region, rejuvenating water bodies such as Agara Lake, Madivala Lake, Bellandur Lake, Ulsoor Lake, and Varthur Lakes. Many temples they constructed around these lakes still stand today, serving as a testament to their influence.
Notably, tamarind trees planted during the time of the great Rajendra Chola continue to thrive in Nelur, marking a unique bioheritage site. The Cholas have left their mark throughout the area, and their contributions remain part of the region's historical and cultural landscape.
Well I don't know from where you got your history mate but Bengaluru was not under the control of Chola's for long time Bengaluru was ruled by Ganga Dynasty between 350 ce to 1000ce and they were under Chalukya's and Rashtrakuta's and they fought Chola's throughout their existence and defeated many chola's king in war and they in the end met their end in a skirmish between Chola and Ganga's and the someshwara temple was built by Chalukya's not Chola's
Madivala Lake is a natural lake, and its creation is not attributed to a specific individual or group. The lake has undergone transformations and improvements over the years, with recent efforts to develop it into a biodiversity park. However, the original formation of the lake is a natural occurrence.
Ulsoor Lake, also known as Halasuru Lake, was created by Sir Lewin Bentham Bowring, the then Commissioner of Bangalore. Although the lake is dated to Kempe Gowda’s time, the present lake was created by Sir Lewin Bentham Bowring during his period of service.
Varthur Lake was created by the Ganga kings thousands of years ago for agriculture and domestic uses.
Ranveer , I'm from tamil Nadu and I really feel great about you wanting to know and spread knowledge about our history but I'm not quite satisfied with our guest and his limited info on our people and kings.
Looking forward to you to bring a more knowledgeable person to unlock the mighty achievements done by our Tamil society long ago
Resident from telangana always makes connected to tamilnadu because of our history .because nearby our home a temple chaya someshwar temple built by cholas .temple is above the scientific mystery . Whenever we visit that temple always reminds me cholas &their kingdom because my uncle always taught us regarding them since our childhood .now watching /listening from someone makes me thank my mama who always teach us regarding our true indian history all are forgetting telugu because all other states taking pride in their language but it's hard to find in our youth of telangana even we should revive our language history and valor not hatred to any language just respect &concern towards mothertoungue which has more history that need to be told..
i'm also from telangana village cholawadi of present day mahaboobnagar dist. cholas are telugu we should rewrite history as they were telugu origin..
Ranveer… like to hear from prof. Deivanayagam in your show……. ❤❤
Who said Tamilans are not watching your show, Tamilians are across globe not just in Tamilnadu, Seems Google fails to identify us…. :)
Yep. Watching as Tamil South African..🐅
Srilankan Tamil here 😊
@@cameronpillay8050yes ofcourse mixed white shirt 😂
@@Gowrisankar__gs mixed white shirt . Make It make sense 🥴🧚♀️🖕🏿
Hii ranveer bhaiya plz bring back Rajrishy Nandy Sir, and ask him the following questions-:
1. How does one figure out the best suited practice and deity for them besides their preference.
2. What practices in our religion differ wrt men and women
To give you an example
a) The Devya kavacham that is done alongside Durga saptashati has a verse for protection of the doer's wife does that mean women/ girls can't do that.
b) The Argala stotram also done alongside Durga saptashati, it's 24 th shlok talks about the doer's wife again. The ending of Argala stotram also promises boon in masculine gender, i.e., nar
Does that mean that females can't do these things .
Where as the 32 names promises that for everyone, i.e., manushya
(I AM NOT A PSEUDO FEMINIST THESE ARE MY GENUINE DOUBTS PLZ CONSIDER THEM)
c) Similarly Rajarishy Nandi sir prescribes a 30-40 days sankalpa for siddha kunjika stotram but for quite obvious reasons most females
Can't do it, any substitute for us.
3. Another question regarding siddha kunjika stotram. It contains a mantra which is some kind of expanded version of maa Durga's very famous Navarna mantra in the version of it that I read.
But the I found another mantra in siddha kunjika stotram on TH-cam itself, the name of the channel is Debashish chakraborty.
5. Last, which practices actually differ for males and females in our religion (I mean I know that these differences are genuine).
🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
Plz consider this humble request bhaiya.
Noted 🙂
Genuinely I too have these doubts while doing parayana
Sister, I have tried to answer your questions as per my understanding in tantra practices. I hope, it will help to solve all ur doubts.
Answer to ur 1st question:
Sometimes it is difficult to figure out deity or ishta devta for many people. It is always advised to have ishta devta as per one's 1) Own Nature and 2) Life Aims. Mainly deities are of two types - saumya and ugra. YOU SHOULD IDENTIFY DEITY SUITED TO YOUR NATURE.
Mahakali, all Kali kula devis from Dasha Mahavidyas and all Bhairavs etc. are ugra devtas,
Whereas Vishnu and his incarnations like Ram-Krishna, Mahadev, Ganpati and all Shri kula devis from dasha mahavidyas are generally saumya devtas unless you are praying to their ugra form in tantra.
Each devta has unique characteristics like Maha Saraswati is for Vidya (Knowledge), Maha Laxmi and Vishnu for Sampatti (Wealth), Maha Kali for ultimate moksha (salvation), Ganapati for Wisdom, Hanuman for strength, Surya for developing tejas , Mahadev for getting rid of ego and so on. YOU SHOULD IDENTIFY YOUR LIFE'S GOALS AND ACCORDINGLY HAVE YOUR ISHTA DEVTA. Our scriptures advise us to pray only those deities which are capable of providing MOKSHA. This way, along with accomplishment of life's goals, you may achieve moksha in the end. Only pancha devtas (five deities) and their incarnations are capable of giving us moksha along with fullfillment of our life's goals. These are Bhagwan Vishnu, Bhagwan Mahadev, Bhagwan Ganapati, Devi Bhagwati and Bhagwan Surya. The best possible way to find out all about these deities and their qualities is to read Purana related to specific pancha devta like Bhagwatam for Vishnu, Shiva Purana for Mahadev, Devi Bhagwatam for any devi worship etc. So that you get to know about each deity and develop a sense of closeness to pick one as your ishta devta.
Answer to ur 2nd question:
First of all, before starting any sadhana/practice specially related to tantra. You should have proper Guru who is well established in tantra practices otherwise don't go for it by reading tantra books or internet surfing.
As far as I know, devi kavacham and argala stotram are not just literal words with meaning. They are sounds encoded with particular ENERGIES by Lord Brahma with the benediction of Bhagwati to receive benefits for various purposes. Energy takes it's form according to sadhakas "THOUGHTS" in mind with continuous repetitions. Both male and female can read Kavacham and Argala stotram as per my guru. Only bhava (भाव) i.e. thoughts in mind are important. Like in Kavacham, it reads "bhaaryaam rakshatu bhairavi" (भार्यां रक्षतु भैरवी) then you should imagine praying to devi for the protection of your male partner.
When a sadhika (female sadhak) takes sankalp for 31 days, during the menstrual cycle - days of sadhana are extended further to 5 days i.e. from 31 days it becomes 36 days. You should take a gap of 5 days and carry on further during menstrual cycle. Only a small prayer (क्षमा प्रार्थना) in your mother tongue should be conveyed to deity for the reasons in delaying your sadhana further. As you said, sankalp is never taken for 30 or 40 days. It is taken in odd numbers like 1,5,7,9,11,21,31,41,51 and so on.
Answer to ur 3rd question:
In tantra, there are many different versions of siddha kunjika stotram for different purposes like as per 1)Rudrayamala Tantra 2)Damar Tantra etc. Some are lost through history. You found different expanded versions of navarna mantra because of that. Siddha Kunjika Stotram given in Durga Saptashati is recommended for general public. Don't go for other versions without proper guru's guidance.
@@palavbhiva Thanx a lot
What about the last question, it is just as important
Thanx btw for this
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If u can ask precise question, I could answer more effectively about ur doubt.
There are no such differences I find in tantra for male and female sadhak. Except if u r doing a sadhana for pratyakshikaran siddhi (real time manifestation of any deity) (प्रत्यक्षीकरण सिद्धी). When manifestation takes place after successful completion of ur sadhana and deity is happy, a sadhak is asked to set up a relation between deity and him. There u can have siddhi of any male deity as your father, brother, husband or friend and in case of female deity, it is mother, sister or friend. In case of male sadhak, the relation is either wife, mother, sister or friend for any female deity. U can have this type of siddhi only for nimna koti (निम्न कोटि) devtas like apsara, yakshini, gandharva, kinnari, bhairav or bhairavi sadhana. Mahashaktis like Durga, Laxmi, Vishnu, Ganesh etc. do not manifest so easily. Never take sankalp for such deity's pratyakshikaran siddhi. Sadhak has to go through lots of dangerous situations in such cases.
If you really want to know about tamil kings history, would suggest to bring historians from tamil nadu. He literally said before 300 - 500 BCE cheras, cholas and pandiyas were tribes. There is more than just war or who ruled, It is also about how Chera Chola and pandiyas did trade, technologies and the way they ruled.
Tamil is 1st language in earth but this dumb saying Chera, Chola, Pandya tribes
Pallava art and architecture represent an early stage of Dravidian art and architecture which blossomed to its fullest extent under the Chola Dynasty. The first stone and mortar temples of South India were constructed during Pallava rule and were based on earlier brick and timber prototypes. He is not even naming the Pallavas. Tamilnadu kingdoms starts with pallavas, next pandya, chola ,chera, Krishna deva raayalu.......so on .....
Ranveer please add english subtitles in your hindi podcast. I am an indian (tamil speaking)but i can't speak nor understand hindi..i really would like to listen your hindi podcast too.. do something plsss
Tamilan from Sri Lanka. Proud to be part of Chola heritage. We were concord, we fought, and got rid of them from SL. Still, we love the Cholas. Visit Polonaruwa.
Karnataka history is very different from the rest of the South Indian states...
Please make a podcast on Karnata empires like Rastrakutas, chalukyas, Yadavas, Gangas, vijayanagara empire...
Many dynasties and empires from Karnataka have ruled the northern and western part of indian states from gujrat to bengal...
Karnataka empires needed to studied better
We defeated cholas And pallavas
@@vijayinformativevlogs1627no , no u didn't 😂
@@vijayinformativevlogs1627 I think Sattvavahanas defeated Pallavas yes, but neither the Chalukyas nor the Rastrakuttas defeated Cholas, they won wars, both sides lost territory to each other different times, but until the raise of late Pandiyas I think with help of Hoysalas (who very close relatives of Cholas) and Srilankans defeated Cholas in 13'th century, before that no one defeated Cholas.
@@vijayinformativevlogs1627Yes we did, Vikramaditya 2nd defeated Pallavas so badly that Cholas who were feudatories of Pallavas defeated Pallavas and came to main play.
We defeated Cholas many times - Look at the Rashtrakutas war at Takkolam , the cholas couldn't forget the humiliation they faced for centuries after this.
And why do you think Rajendra Chola went to Ganga got the title Gangaikonda Chola by travelling over coastal side in the east ?? Because we Karnatas ( Chalukyan empire) was there spread across till Bihar.
Expert explained very well, know that he touch based few key things happened in South history, still there are 95 % to cover.
I AM FROM TAMILNADU, watch your podcasts regularly. most from the north dont take effort to highlight tamil history. but when you do that, you will be loved a lot more.
For referance Cheras are present time Keral and Padiyans are present time Tamilnadu
So much knowledge packed - need more of these - RS Sir - Thank you sir 🙏🔥🚀
Please showcase history of Northeast too ....why only the north and south gets highlighted ....please its time the mainstream should know about us too
Ahoms right?
I see you are on the mission to woo tamil audiences. New tamil channel... podcast about the Cholas.... வாழ்துக்கள்!!!
Please read “cholas” by Dr K. A. Nilakanta Shastri. He received Pandhmabhusban for his work.
Please, you should have brought Mr.R.Bala Krinan EX IAS Office