euphoria: sexualisation as art isnt an excuse
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- A very chaotic and detailed look at Euphoria, and why it could do more harm than good.
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stuntin' like my daddy 28:54
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shook ones pt II 37:52
bonnie and clyde and the next episode 42:54
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alexa demie, season 2, sydney sweeney, jacob elordi, kat hernandez, jules vaughn, maddy perez, zendaya, lexi howard, rue bennett, Cassie, Ethan, Daniel, reaction, review, video essay - บันเทิง
Not you foreshadowing season 2 when you lost the picture of kat
you may not know this but i am acc a bit psychic
I feel like the reason as to why Nate has a list of things he likes about girls is to reinforce and convince himself that he is in fact only attracted to females (ie side effects of his internalised homophobia)
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yup i was thinking that too. for him his attraction to women is only abt control. he’s not attracted to maddy he’s attracted to basically „owning“ her, like she’s just a checklist of traits a perfect girlfriend would have for him. they’re probably gonna make him bi in the show but personally i read him as fully gay cause i don’t even think that guy’s ever thought abt boobs in a sexual way lol
also! a pretty small scene but when he jacks off in the shower or something he’s only staring intensely at his own reflection. i think it’s the same with sex he doesn’t even care abt the girl he thinks abt himself and gets off on the power he has in that situation. who knows how it would be with a guy… probably different and i think he knows that but forces himself not to think abt it
I agree with everything you said. I really want to see Nate become a better person and get over his internalized homophobia, but he's probably gonna do more fucked up things in season two.
I actually got into this show because of a clip I saw on TH-cam of Nate's breakdown in episode 8. I thought his acting was so amazing and I just had to watch it. So coming in with that clip in mind, I didn't hate him as much as everyone else did. I thought his character was so fucking intriguing and so scary at the same time.
I think because of his dad's porn tapes, he was really fucked up. I mean, no kidding. But, I think an 11 year old seeing their dad being very rough and dominating over smaller sized, less masculine, gay men and trans women, he became afraid of him and didn't want Cal to do something like that to him. Cal is a good dude and I don't think he'd ever do something like that, but I think Nate grew up despising him for that reason.
My take on Nate is that he's so afraid of being like his dad (queer in some way), that he gets obsessive over working out and building himself up to be a traditionally masculine man. He eyes Maddy because theres nothing masculine about her appearance. The checklist he makes of things he likes about girls is not what he actually likes--but what appears to be things that make him look the most heterosexual. Even the slightest "masculine" attitude a girl can have makes him paranoid. So when he dates Maddy, he convinces himself he loves her when in reality, they hate each other, and he only likes the idea of controlling her and being her protector--as a man "should".
He probably is going to be bi or gay because everything in film is intention. If they dedicated numerous scenes where it was put into question whether Nate was into women at all (the dick pics and when he couldn't get hard), then they're going to follow up on it.
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Euphoria is… honestly so so scary to watch. I can only watch a few episodes at a time I really couldn’t binge it, I almost didn’t finish it. Also you’re right there’s a serious problem with adults playing teenage characters, bc these actors are all 20+ and it brews insecurities in actual teenagers because they don’t look like that, like simply they CAN’T
it took me so long to finish it because it gave me anxiety. it was definitely scary
But I know girls who are pretty like cassie and Maddy when I was in hs it’s all about your development I know many Nate’s
Yeah, I couldn't finish. I've only been able to watch it through other people's reactions. Watching it honestly felt like self-harm.
I think people take criticism on a show like this badly is because a lot of people identify with tropes and character traits in this show so it feels like a personal attack- which could also be something u discuss
I agree. I actually have a lot in common with Rue. I have a lot of mental illness problems and I understand a lot of her feelings about things. But I also understand that what happens makes a lot of people uncomfortable. While I think Euphoria is very realistic in how it represents young people and mental health and interpersonal relationships, that also makes it really disturbing.
Personally, I think this show is for gen Z young adults.
i don't know anything about this show, i hate soap operas and i don't even watch tv but that answer was very insightful and i think you're right. obsession with celebrity was already a thing by roman times and i too have always been puzzled by how wrapped up in it people can get especially women can almost forget that it's only entertainment. i know our fantasy lives are very important to our well being and alot of people are unhappy with their real life for various reasons but still.....
and as it happens nowhere do you have tv where you don't have soap operas even in the poorest countries so something deep and heavy is going on there.
Fair point fosho👌 identifying with it and really digging the show makes me feel all conflicted later when I really stop and think like "uh oh, they just glorified an underage literal child being a cam girl, didn't they?😬🤦🏻♀️" Not great lol if it was solely focused on the gorgeous, devastatingly real portrayal of Rue's addiction and just used the side plots in a non condescending, "after school special" kind of way where the cam girl gets someone arrested for watching her or the jock who choked out his gf actually had to serve a little time for assault, I think that would at least steer the intention of the show toward something more constructive without having to compromise any of the grittiness. I mean if anything, the in your face artistic lense would be a benefit to drive home the point that maybe no, lying about your age and meeting up with strange men online is not a good idea JULES! Lmao
I think almost every controversy about this show could have been avoided if they had just aged the characters up to college. Because like, this show isn’t targeted at high schoolers. It’s targeted at young adults.
if I was a teen watching this, a lot of plot lines would simply be beyond my comprehension. Like, when I watched skins as a tween and I hardly could relate or understand the motivations of the characters. I only could romanticize the characters and I took away the wrong lessons tbh. (I used cassies anorexia plotline to feed into my own ed and effy made me see my depression as some kind of tragic and beautiful character trait that would be attractive. Obviously, in retrospect, it's totally inane and stupid for that to be my takeaway, but I was a traumatized teen that felt 'seen' with my mental illness and clung to unrealistic portrayals.
the sex lives of college girls was the first i seen when they aged up characters. due to 18+ scenes and behavior, as well as the shows creators wanting to tackle young adult/college age. its so nice to see! women theyre actual ages play them 🙏
I mean, yes but then the whole part about sending nudes being a crime wouldn't make sense. And that's the theme of 2 arcs, minus the one where nate's dad gets scared because he had sex with a minor. I guess a show like that could work, but then it would just be dumbed down to the fact that these people are making mistakes and they should have known better. I guess they could just make a whole different show where they discuss different issues...or they do this
Especially because these issues dont just go away when you graduate.
I think Nate’s obsession with getting fit/muscular is because he saw himself in his dad’s hookups and wanted to look as physically unlike them as possible. He was 11, so it’s likely he mixed his dad’s sexûal kinks with himself (doesn’t help that these young and feminine men would call Cal “daddy” either). In some ways, I think he felt physically violated-hence the later scene when Cal’s on top of him and he looks in the mirror and just starts screaming/banging his head. He was in the “position” of one of Cal’s sexual partners, and his brain clearly conflated the two. It’s also why his internalized homophobia shapes his preferences in girls. There were parallels in the shots of him beating up Tyler and looking in the mirror, and him being under his dad; he feels strong and powerful and, most importantly, unlike the men/trans women in Cal’s video so he’s “asserting” his power and dominance through physical violence.
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Can we talk about how these “Kids” go to school but none of them are shown carrying a damn school bag 💀
No books, no pencils, just vibes
They dont go there to learn, just to show off their outfits😂
who needs books and a school bag when you have sparkly eyeshadow and a bag of weed (looks at jules and rue)
It is odd how not even one of them does (the main characters) but I mean I never carried any books with me to class but I also failed most of my classes then dropped out
The thing with the narration by Rue is that she is speaking the characters thoughts and feelings to the audience. Her narration isn't objective, she isn't accurately observing the realities of the story. An unreliable narrator if you will. So when you hear her say that a 14 year old Maddie slept with a 40 year old man but she was the one in control, those are Maddie's feelings on the event. Or when the takeaway from Kat's narration is that guys still find her attractive, instead of the fact that a minor was exploited. Kat seemed more worried about her body being seen and judged unattractive, over a major invasion of privacy. Aspects of the show like this is clearly why it isn't a show for teens. Yeah sure it's about teens and that's pretty much the whole of the audience, I'm just worried what they'll take away from this. Like I'm sure the writers are not saying saying that a 14 year old Maddie had any control in that situation, but that might just go over a teens head.
yes to all this!!!! i think rue even mentions in the first episode that she's an unreliable narrator, so we see a lot of stuff from just HER perspective and the jules special further proves that
i think its ultimately supposed the perspective of maddie and kat. thats the whole point. these kids are so disillusioned with how the world works bc of their parents and bc of social media. these young girls think they’re empowered and in control but they’re victims bc of the adults. its honestly extremely accurate to being a teenager. i was 17 when s1 came out and i can say i 100% related to the show. there are several themes that ive seen at my own highschool.
I thought it would be cool if Lexi became the second narrator of the show, because as of the second season Lexi is shown more as being the observer of the group, Rue not being very reliable I think it’d be cool if another person who wasn’t a bit foggy on details because they do drugs could narrate stuff, Lexi is an observer, she doesn’t really say anything she just watches, not judging her at all btw, but she just observes everything, I think because rue at the end of season 2 stayed clean through the rest of the year in school, and made amends with Lexi, rue is the main character and I think whoever she’s going to be around more in the next season should get more screen time, if she’s gonna start trying to be a better friend to Lexi and possibly try and let Jules go in the next season then rue can still as the main character narrate but Lexi could also narrate some bits with her and we can get more clear details on things, I feel like it all fits perfect and it would just be cool in general to see, I just love that Lexi as a character is an observer and I think that it could be utilized, I’m sorry this long I just needed to get this out, I hope someone finds this interesting
Honestly Euphoria is one of those shows which sends me into an existential crisis but also can’t quit it🙈
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If you want a good show for an existential crisis, look no further than Bojack Horseman.
the only way I could watch it is from the mindset that it was like a memory of high school experience from a mid twenties person, if that makes sense. It helped by the exaggerated cinematography and costuming, as well as the narration. It made it easier to take a step back from the direct story
That sounds about right lol
Exactly! I’m 20 watching it from a perspective of a coming of age story. I like that in a sense because the show reminds me of the shit I went through and realized how it wasn’t okay. I think people are only looking surface level with this show when in actuality it is meant for adults which is why they have so many dark Themes.
YES! im 20 and the main reason i felt a bit irky when i watched the first time was because of their age. I feel like if they were 20-25 it would make so much sense.
This show is a pretty scarily accurate portrayal of my late teens. It’s scary what’s out there these day.
@Jean Jacques maybe you didn’t
"people get very touchy about their favorite shows" meanwhile all pll fans collectively agree pll is... uhh wild. i actually just watched euphoria for the first time last night so this video was a cool surprise and good recap- i agree with a lot of your points too
thanks hunny
I understand how some scenes are deeply disturbing, many of the assault scenes I can't watch. But as an addict the overdose scenes and brutal depiction is what I needed from media to feel scene. People don't seem to understand how ugly and all consuming it can get, but seeing the honesty, and all the pain that those scenes caused, is what I needed to help me with sobriety.
thats amazing it helped you!
I felt this especially with rue’s special episode. It unlocked some pushed down feeling i had about how my substance abuse in my teenage years and recklessness effected the people around me. It made me BAWL. Like i never really dealt with it because it’s uncomfortable to think about or talk about or people around me dont relate as much as this character in some ways.
You know what's funny? The other day I was watching a reboot of the babysitter's club, where the characters are supposed to be middle school aged (like 12ish), and I remember watching it and thinking "wow! I'm so glad that the director chose to cast actors around that age instead of ageing the characters up/casting actors who look obviously older than the age of their character!" Come to find out later, those actors were around 16-17. It really got me thinking... we're so conditioned to see 20 something actors portraying teenagers that we're starting to forget what teenagers ACTUALLY look like! Teenagers aren't mini adults, at the end of the day, they are still legally children, and I agree with you Serena, that Hollywood has a HUGE problem with sexualising children.
I may be biased cause I was 20 when Euphoria came out but I definitely feel like its not appropriate for teenagers, at least not younger teenagers. I always got the vibe it was going for the young adult demographic, like 18 to 25
to be fair, when I watch it I just imagine the characters are in that age range. mostly because I absolutely CANNOT suspend my disbelief enough to pretend the characters are 16/7 anyways
the show is rated MA so yeah its meant for mature audiences, 18 and up. It was definitely not aimed for young audiences at all. IMO teens under 18 should not be watching it at all and parents need to be looking out for that. but what can you do
@@woodlandreader yea that makes sense but Im sure teenagers under 18 still watch it. I know from experience that parental guidance can only protect you from media thats not appropriate for yout age to a certain extent without becoming abusively controlling, but parents should definitely look out for it
As a huge consumer of film (and someone who has studied it), I think shows like this are necessary. There is a disclaimer at the beginning of each episode, so viewers who might get triggered should just not watch it. It is great for representation in the lgbtqia+ community, and it also doesn't shy away from things that do actually happen. Yes, this universe is fictional and amped up, but things like this really happen on smaller scales. It is also necessary to have adults playing kids because then you can actually graphically show everything. If the show didn't push the boundaries, it wouldn't work. You can't have a show about drug addiction if you don't show people doing/selling drugs. Show don't tell is a huge part of what makes film so great.
I do think that parents need to be able to have conversations with their kids who are watching things like this to be able to guide them and answer questions.
However, Nate sucks. I can't stand his character.
110% These are my feelings and why I really, really like this show. Don't know how weird or not weird it is that I am in my mid-30s watching and connecting with this show though 🤷♀️
I'm sorry to ask, but what does the "ia+ " stand for in lgbtqia+? I know I could google it but I see it for the first time.
@Cornelia Hanimann i believe the i stands for intersex and the a for asexual, and then the + is all sexualities/genders not included in the acronym :)
@@corneliahanimann2173 intersex and asexual
I don't think Euphoria is influencing teenagers to behave like that. I grew up watching Gossip Girl (I read the books when I was 10 and started watching the series at 12), and never once considered actually doing what the characters were doing. Specially because, while it's glamorized, it's all a mess, both in GG & Euphoria the characters aren't happy. Jenny goes on a downward spiral and loses everything, Serina's party girl ways keep getting her in danger, Rue's drug addiction keeps interfering in her personal relation, Jules is having problems as a result of sexting and sending nudes. If anything, these tv shows are huge warnings "don't do this, look how shit things get".
Euphoria is way more graphic than GG imo
@@karisdietrich1964 oh defitly. I watched GG without problem years ago, but euphoria has me closing my eyes in certain parts. but since Serena was comparing the two, I kept the analogy
@@karisdietrich1964 I think that's actually a good part of it, because while it is portraying teenagers expressing their sexuality, the sex scenes are almost never romantic. They all carry a sense of discomfort to them, from the time Jules sleeps with nate's dad, when Kat loses her virginity or when any of the other characters have sex, it's less glorified than in other shows. I believe part of the outrage against the show is because people are aware that these are teenagers and we don't like to see them put in dangerous situations.
@@sallyhazy I mean I can also see that at the time GG was released it could have been considered very graphic. So I can see what your saying. I think a lot of shows and movies these days include an unnecessary amount of sex in them. Maybe GG was among shows and movies at that time that led to the graphic shows and movies that we see today.
I agree with a lot of this. I actually think that Euphoria shows teenagers how they really are. I think, as a society, we like to pretend that teenagers don’t do these things or that shows like this influence teens to do these things, but teenagers already do this. They did before Euphoria and they will long after it’s gone. I think where Euphoria is different from shows like Pretty Little Liars and Gossip Girl is that Euphoria is a lot more real and deals with issues that gen Z (my generation) is having trying to navigate through the world. I think that makes people very uncomfortable, which is understandable because you don’t want to think about literal minors doing these things, but it doesn’t help to pretend that they don’t.
I haven't seen Euphoria but honestly from what I'm hearing from you, it sounds like it for sure shouldn't be for teens. I remember when the movie Thirteen came out. I was 15 and was low key traumatizedby it. I would imagine teens watching Euphoria would generally feel the same way.
Oh, man Thirteen. Same and same.
Thirteen was tame compared to this
People can watch Euphoria all they want, it looks really well made. But after watching a few episode ( like 3) I had to tap out for me personally. I couldn't explain it, I just felt so off after watching it, like unsettled but like deeper. I don't know if it was quite that existential dread feeling but I really didn't like how I felt afterward so I personally had to not watch.
Yes this wxactly
Because a fucked up person created and wrote this.
i honestly dont think anyone talks about how sexualised sydney sweeney actually is, cassi is SO SO sexualised the amount of scenes where she is nude and it just doesnt need to be that way. in my opinion i think so many find so much of themselves in these characters so they feel some kind of connection to them. and having these characters be so sexualised sends the wrong message to the wrong audience.
I really wish people would stop making "teen shows " that are literally not appropriate for teenagers and it puts so much pressure on actual teenagers because we think we are supposed to be like this wben really no one is like that
But a show about teenagers and a show for teenagers is a different thing, right? You can tell a story about something without it being intended for the subject of the story. Example: Telling a story about the abuse or murder of a child without this story being intended for children to hear/ see. Just because you are an adult, doesn't mean those kinds of stories aren't still important for you to hear, because it shows you what happens to others and children/ teenagers in those situations and helps you to deal/ protect when someone like that is in need of help. If I remember correctly, Euphoria is meant for a mature audience, so people 18 and up, so all the teenagers watching it do it on their own accord and not because the show is recommending them to. Teenagers and children always watch stuff that's not intended for them.
@@totaltotal8481 but it has teenagers in it which makes teenagers think that’s how they have to act because media acts like it should be the norm stories about child and abuse and murder is completely different and not even my point?
@@tiddlesletoitoise It's not, the show isn't for teenagers to watch, it's rated TV-MA. Euphoria shows abuse and children as well, there is no difference. This was never a guide for teenagers to act as it wasn't intended for teenagers to watch anyway. Now that teenagers watch it anyways is a whole different topic, but that's not the fault of the show and is the same as teenagers watching horror movies and playing video games with 18+ ratings. But that's not the responsibility of the show.
Well to be fair I think shows like Gossip Girl and PLL can honestly be worse, those two shows quite literally glamourise being a rich powerful mean girl who's nasty to others or people they think are lesser than them. I literally was using my granddad's birthday/Christmas money to buy designer dresses, and would start to mimic Blair Waldorf or Alison Dilaurentis's behavior. It wasn't until I started coming up against real life versions of girls like Blair and Alison and realized that actually these rich popular girls are actually really horrible and awful. And I want nothing to do with them.
This show is the “High School” trope on drugs! Just extra for no reason! But I love it 😩
The thing for me is, I'm not against nudity or sex scenes in film. I'll watch it. But sometimes (*cough, The Reader, cough*) it's so gratuitous and unnecessary and constant, and it's just weird.
The constant nudity and sex scenes also make me uncomfortable. I hate to see nude people or sex scenes on tv, it makes em so squirmy idk. I usually close my eyes or fast forward those scenes. Once me and my friends watched 50 Shades of Gray just to joke around (and because it was an "adult movie" and everything forbidden is better) and they had to tell me when it was safe for me open my eyes again
Especially when the characters are supposed to be underage. It’s disgusting.
I'm so glad I'm not the only one who feels this way!! I just can't stand any sex scenes or nudity! Male or female! It just makes me feel sick and icky, I feel like those things are supposed to be private & intimate not on display for us to see. Plus kinda makes me feel like a gross pervert if I accidentally see a sex scene lol 🤣🤣
The scenes in euphoria are way more graphic than 50 shades of gray… and that movie/book was about adults..💀
The scene the most uncomfortable to watch was when Cassie was riding the Carousel at the carnival and orgasmed on it. Thats one that serves no purpose in my opinion and is just utterly disgusting to watch.
4:23. Hold on, you are 19??? You are so well-spoken and mature that I would have guessed you are older. We have the same age and no way I could do this videos essays like you.
Lol same! I'm turning 20 in 2 months and I feel like a kid, I honestly thought that Selena was older hahaha
Thankyou 🥰
Yess I had the exact same thought! Lol
so glad you made this because this show is so popular and I want to know what’s going on but it’s just too upsetting for me to watch myself. I really does sound exploitative and glamorizing… though reading through the comments here, I agree there’s a place for more graphic media like this but it’s definitely with mature audiences and not the (seemingly) very young audience the show seems to have. it just gets so complicated because what kids watch depends largely on their environment and shouldn’t be the responsibility of an artist who wants to create a work and yet… (I don’t have an answer to this, it’s an ongoing and nuanced discussion still)
I also appreciate you calling out the colorism of the cast! I’m going to need a few more dark skinned people on this show. Biracial does not equate to mono racial black representation!
Yes. Exactly. It feels like when casting directors only cast white-passing Latinas and call it diversity, knowing good and well they dont prefer those with tanned skin or non-European features. Almost every time I see leading Latin girl, you'd never know she was Latin except her last name being Rodriguez or something.
@@strawberrylime33 It’s sad how European-Adjacent is still the only “look” that’s accepted. On the show, the actor portraying Elliot said he was black and Filipino…. Where? I didn’t see the black nor the Filipino!
It's so silly that studios try to convince us otherwise. If there was an all black cast that had a few half-white characters as "white representation" people would certainly scratch their heads. It's just as absurd as calling it black representation. I like that mixed raced actors get so much work in the industry, but I don't think that it should be in substitution for casting non-mixed minorities.
Storm Reid is black…
Oh god it's never enough you guys.
euphoria could work in a college setting, because I relate to some of these characters as a 18 yr old, rather than being 16-17 (for the most part ). the teen “drama”/“shock value” market is over saturated. the transitioning into adulthood + adapting to it, could be nice to see more.
I don't like this show. I, as a teenager had some very traumatic experiences like being raped by my cousin or watching my mother die. Still I can stomach heavy movies and shows. Bit this show is so exploitative, so bleak and so depressing that I just can't bear it. Yes, I KNOW life can be bleak and dark but it also has so much love! I personally identify as an extroverted person. I love being surrounded by people, I love my friends and most of my family, I love getting to know new people, I love concerts and festivals and I love connecting with others. This show doesn't have any of that.
(as a cis skinny person idk if I can really speak about this) BUT one great thing about this show that's hardly ever seen is it's positive trans representation and how Kat didn't lose weight just to "fit in" or "be beautiful". If she wants to lose weight, it should be for her👏👏❤
Great video so far btw love the new hair
Thankyou 🥰
I actually love her story because of that. It was so refreshing to see her become and feel sexy as who she is without losing weight and having a glow up of sorts. She sure leans the other way too hard and I'm sure there will be consequences for that, but I also kinda love that this adresses a bigger issue with beauty standards. We act as if being white and skinny is where beauty is at, but I remember a quote from ContraPoints about a society that likes to jerk off to you but not giving you human rights or a voice. We fetishize fat people in porn and simultaneously bully them for being fat.
@@corneliahanimann2173 yes I agree. Idk how I feel about Kat at the moment, but I love how her story in the show isn't just "oh she's fat and unhappy". So tired of seeing that. Plus I'm happy they dress her in nice clothes just like the rest of the skinner cast :) all of them are beautiful. It's a nice change from how dirty they did the actor of Alison from pll when she gained weight. They stopped dressing her in "nice" clothes like every other girl.
i think the reason ppl are defensive is because a lot of people live similar lives to these characters intentionally or not intentionally
It couldn't be set in college because Rue would never go to college. Also everyone's family dynamics are very important so the characters needed to be in high school to explore those relationships. Even though it might not look like everyone's high school experience, many people can relate to so much in this show.
Every time it comes to Daniel I just keep thinking about how he’s dressed like Ted Bundy at the Halloween party and that’s all we need to know about what kind of guy he is
he's gross
It's interesting how our perception of different media is dependent on our own lives/situations! In my case, the entirety of the show is so distant from anything I've ever experienced that it comes across as way more surreal than anything else, which is only amplified by the show's aesthetic.
I also find it interesting how you say it's basically devoid of humor. In my opinion -- which is probably heavily influenced by how surreal the show is to me -- the show has this morbid kind of humor to it. It sort of lies on the very border between comedic and tragic, which is very amusing to me (one of my all time favorite shows is Hannibal after all). For instance, about Rue's comment on Maddie "being in control" with this older guy. It comes across very sarcastic to me and not to be taken seriously.
However I do realize that how you perceive the show very much depends on your own maturity level. I was 21 myself when the first season aired, and I agree it's a show about teenagers but for an adult audience. I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing, though. They rarely look or act like teens, so I kept forgetting they were supposed to be high schoolers.
But of course, I guess it's kind of problematic when actual teenagers romanticize the actions and relationships in the show
As a fellow Hannibal lover, I love everything you say.
As a Junior in high school, I can say that my life is similar in some aspects to Euphoria, but some are definitely a little outlandish. I definitely haven't experienced pretty much anything that any character goes through in Euphoria, but some events are pretty accurate.
The characters who were most relatable to me was Kat. I'm not overweight, but being short and stockier, it is very difficult to really understand that people will still like you for you, and not because of your appearance. Ethan and Kat's relationship was the most accurate (at first at least. I didn't like when Kat turned into a cam girl and kind of a bitch) to my life. I'm not super skinny and feminine and the ideal girlfriend. But people that were in my life this year taught me that people like me for me, and that gave me more confidence. I liked Kat in the beginning. I like that she realized that confidence was most attractive, not weight. Ethan's persistence and Kat constantly finding ways to push him away because some part of her thinks theres no way he would like her is very relatable to me.
Whats not relatable is the Cam-girl thing, in my opinion. But it is accurate. There a girl I used to be good friends with who made an OnlyFans recently and Ive never been more repulsed by it in my life.
I think the moment Kat is Skyping a guy she can't see and he's asking her to take off her clothes is when she realizes that the Cam girl life isn't what its cracked up to be and that was another great moment of this show.
The male characters like McKay, Daniel, Nate, and Ethan are all accurate. Though I haven't met someone as vulgar as Nate, the worst I've seen is a kid in my grade beating the shit out of a freshman girl because she made a mean joke to him. Ive had mostly Ethans in my life. But McKay and Daniels are the most common in my opinion. Guys like Daniel are everywhere--the guys who you think are nice but turns out to only want sex from you.
I went on a little tangent. Some things do weird me out in this show. Every time I watch it, I think I get the most uncomfortable when Cassie orgasms when she's riding the carousel--that was extremely weird.
And yes, it is kind of dramatized and exaggerated a bit. But I think most of the characters are accurate, and some of the events--especially Jules meeting up with random guys and being too naive to realize when she's putting herself in danger--are pretty accurate to what a lot of kids get up to.
I don't do drugs or vape, but I know a lot of kids who do and one of my coworkers started getting high when he was 13. Another one of my coworkers--who is 14--made a sexist comment about women belonging in the kitchen. None of the other girls said anything, but I just laughed at him because I wanted to show I wasn't bothered by those comments. That he can try to demean us, but can't do anything because he's the one cleaning the dishes--not us.
Thank you for addressing the lack of dark skin female representation! That was one of the things that stood out to me. I was surprised when I watched the show, and there was no dark skin female representation, but there was a darker skin black male. I was telling my mother that in many horror movies like slasher films especially, there will be one black male in a sea of white characters. I find that so bizarre. All and all, I think the show could benefit from a lot of diversity because why not?
You are correct, and the reason there's a dark-skinned black male is because men are often "forgiven" for their dark skin, but women are seen as low class, ugly, mean, etc for having dark skin.
@@strawberrylime33 true, But I’m not sure how things are in the UK or overseas in general.
the creator of this show is a white man what do you expect
@@celeste_xo what does that have to do with anything?
I was 17, doing drugs going to parties and was just absulute insanity..I'm 21 now and it feels like forever ago, due to learning and being so different.
And God. Does this show bring the fight or flight back.
Haven't watched this in full yet but I love the hair colour, so flattering!
thankyou, i think its my favourite one yet!
i agree. i dont know why so many of these shows take place in high school when theyre so provocative. not only that but it makes the characters unrealistic
Yes
very compelling video, as usual. and awesome look! (as usual too)
Serena, the red hair looks so good on you!! I love watching your videos, so thank you for all the dedication you put into all your content. Cannot wait to see what more you keep coming up with 😁💖
Thankyouuuu
I haven’t even watched the full vid yet and I’m so excited! Loving your content girl. Also omg I didn’t know you’re 19, I’m 18, didn’t know we were so close in age 💗
Love the video and completely agree with your opinions. I have the same thoughts and was disturbed by the show when I first watched it. But the second you bring up these points elsewhere, you get bombarded by people telling you that if your teen life wasn't like this, you were sheltered.
“Good art should disturb the comfortable and comfort the disturbed.”
Omg I was not ready for this video!! So excited for your series
just finished the video. i really like your take on a lot of things about the show. i agree with a lot what you said here. i’m interested to see your take on the new episodes
I’m so ready for this omg
I think people get really defensive about things they like because they see criticisms of it as a criticism of themselves, like if someone says a show they like is sadistic, does that mean they’re sadistic? I think that’s the mindset behind it
yes, people take it like a personal attack
side note you look so beautiful in this!!! (i mean you always do but the hair and shirt and necklace all go so well together)
awww Liv stop! 😭💓
Hey, sorry that the lighting in this video was weird/dark! It doesn't usually look like this. I didn't have time to refilm, but I loved making the video so much that it didn't seem to matter xx
i tried to watch season 1 for the first time since in came out to prepare for the new season coming out... by about 30 minutes into episode one i was sobbing and really depressed. now i am like angry whenever i think about the show. i literally never get triggered by things on tv because it’s easy for me to depict the fiction from my personal reality, but with euphoria it is so incredibly hard to do that. it doesn’t even give escapism, it gives this ultra harsh realistic view of teenage life that is disturbing to watch at most points and i don’t really understand how i watched all of it the first time.
it makes me upset too that i can’t really watch it because the premise of this unreliable narrator who is high at points so you don’t really know if what they’re saying is true or not is super interesting to me and can be done extremely well (ie: mr robot) but ... idk alas i can’t watch it hshshs
i've really been into your videos lately!!!
OMGGG ONE OF MY FAVORITE TH-camRS REViEWS MY FAVORITE SHOW?! YOU SAVED MY DAY
Love u ❤️
Really enjoyed this!
I don’t think the show was saying that it was okay for Maddie to be assaulted, moreso that she, while knowing it was wrong, just didn’t care. It’s how she approaches a lot of things, she knows that her parents only wanted to protect her from being molested, but she still was upset about not doing pageants anymore. She knows that she should be working hard in school and aspiring for a career, but would rather be arm candy to a man who works for her. And she knows Nate is an abusive and unloving partner, but she keeps going back to him anyway. I think Euphoria could still do more though to explain why Maddie is so attracted to things she knows isn’t good for her. Cause it doesn’t feel like Cassie’s case, where she’s looking for validation or something to fulfill her, but more like she doesn’t think her life will ever go anywhere so she’s doing whatever she wants right now instead of thinking at all about the future.
Anyways I really liked this video, and I too have a deep appreciation for Cassie and think she’s one of the most interesting characters on the show.
You look so gorgeous in lilac, thank you for another amazing video.
Thank you so much!
So this might be controversial but i don't think the question should be "Is it okay that this (or any show) shows sexuality, nudity, violence, whatever". Yes it will influence younger people but so does everything else.
For me it wasn't all the sex and violence in tv shows that damaged me but actually the lack thereoff. I discovered my sexuality quite early but growing but with Disney and Nickelodeon, it was almost never shown. Kids my age or older than me apparently didn't think about sex. Noone apparently had a sex life. My parents are also conservative in that area, so it was a taboo to talk about it. I felt so dirty and disgusting. I'm 24 now and still have issues with repressed sexuality. I wanted to see kids my age have sex because it was something i was interested in myself.
Of course not everyone feels comfortable with that, so not every show should do that. You also don't have to show everything. Have some sex scenes, skip others. Diversity is the key here. Showing a lot of good and bad things can actually help distinguish these things from each other. But one show can't show both if it doesn't fit into the story.
I’m only 5 min into the video but I just want to add: I’m 19 now and watched the show when it came out (when I was 16) and yes as a younger teenager it was super disturbing to me
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Loving the board you made haha
When the show first aired I was 16. And I'm 19 now so my thoughts and feelings on the show have definitely changed over time. One thing that hasn't changed is that I strongly agree with you on the fact that the excessive nudity is unnecessary. I feel this way about most movies and television shows tbh. Especially after watching the season 2 premier and seeing how with certain characters (Rue and Fez) they avoid nudity and depict situations without it. Where as with other characters like Cassie for example nudity is almost always involved if that makes sense. I too believe the show lacks diversity and hope we get to see more of Lexi as she's my favourite character and the one I relate to most as people have always depicted me as an introvert and quiet. I appreciate the shows overall message, the cinematography and music. I also really enjoyed this video and will definitely be watching more videos of yours!
I agree with almost everything here but I would say... any show can do nudity, violence, drug abuse, toxic relationships. We are grown adults and you may like it or not depending on personal preferences. I do think the problem here is the show targeting young people.
Zendaya shared in a post the other day prior to season two premiere "I do want to reiterate to everyone that Euphoria is for mature audiences". I do hope the show make a change on how they target their audience so that important message is loud and clear.
I personally like the show. It's disturbing at times but I do appreciate the acting, the (phenomenal) art direction and the discussion (real or not) around certain topics.
Loved your video as always
I agree. About 97% of this shows hate wouldn't be happening if they were out of high school/collage students. Honestly I've not heard one valid reason for them having to be hs students😭 collage age just makes sm more sense to me
@@taylorparis6094 i think they centered it in high school because they wanted the whole parents drama involved. that and for some of the characters making certain decisions makes more sense given that they're literally teenagers. and the whole nate manipulating jules thing wouldn't make much sense in college as the whole thing involves around jules being a minor.
@@taylorparis6094 Because this stuff doesn't just happen when teenagers/ young adults leave their homes to go to college and be on their own for the first time... this kind of shit happens right under everyones nose while teenagers still live with their parents and that's the scary part about it. How parents and home life influence the f-d up shit teenagers go through and how most teenagers think that high school is the rest of their lives: Everything becomes either too important or you don't think about what will actually happen after you graduate high school and don't care at all (in regards to relationships and drug abuse etc)....
College kids, while most being lost atleast think about their future and therefor act differently and have different sets of responsibilities and a different mindset. That is the reason.
Euphoria in college while certainly being able to deal with similar topics, would be a vastly different show. A lot of the problems and the way they are depicted are specific to the teenage high school experience. The point is that all of the characters, even if they want to act like adults, are in no way able to really grasp the consequences for their actions, because they are not adults, which is way many of the disastrous situations in Euphoria even occur.
Don't get me wrong, a Euphoria type show in college would be great and the issues that could be discussed there would be interesting, but it would be just different.
I always thought that Euphoria as a show was meant for young adults fresh out of high school to actually reflect the f-d up shit they went through in high school and work through that. As it is was never intended for teenagers to watch, to think Euphoria is meant as a cautionary tale to people in that age range is wrong to assume... Euphoria isn't preventative, it's a tool for reassessment and understanding... but that's just my opinion.
oh my days nate and maddy's relationship is THE most glorified thing and its not even from the shows pov, nate is played so well by jacob elordi and alexa demi nailed it as maddy, but the younger audience of euphoria, so like people my age and older, have seriously sexualised nate and maddy as people and as a couple, people seriously forget mutual obsession is not love its fucking toxic and scary and not what should be glorified when we're talking to a younger audience.
Yikes!😧 Where are these younger people's parents! This is why having your parents there so they can explain why Nate and Maddy's relationship is toxic and abusive is so important!!! The tv, and internet are not your children's babysitter parents!!
I quit watching it after 4 episodes. It was a little too real for me! Thanks for taking one for the team lol!
Ooh I'm pumped for this video
Thanks gorgeous ♥️
Havent seen euphoria yet, but great video! And omg your hair looks aweeesoooomee!
Thankyou you’re a sweetheart!
I thought you were 25 :o
You are so smart and articulate, I'm always impressed!!
😭🥺 thankyou
I’ve never seen this show, and I don’t want to, but I love watching your take on things even if I’ve never seen them and thus wanted to comment on Rue and Jules and why I think those types of co-dependent relationships are unhealthy:
Because when these relationships inevitably fail, people fall apart in ways that takes often so long to recover, if they even do. Some people even go so far as to threaten to hurt themselves (or actually do) to try and hold on to the relationships because they have become so dependent on them to even function.
No one should be seeing these kinds of relationships and think ‘couples goals’. People should see them and realize that, while it’s of course okay to love someone, you can’t truly love anyone if you don’t love yourself first and foremost. Your significant other is meant to be the icing on your cake, not the entire cake.
Side note: the whole “I did this because I love you/did it for you” crap annoys me to not end, especially if the thing they did was positive. Supernatural shows with vampires often have male vampires being nice to please his human love interest when it’s like: do it because YOU want to/do it for YOU, not for me. That’s how you know something is real. (Sorry for the vampire analogy, but it immediately came to mind 😭).
I have seen a lot of people compare euphoria to skins, maybe you can include that in a video if you liked (if u know skins of course).
Great video btw :)
Awesome video! Try watching more HBO shows is you can, like Succession, Insecure, or Barry. I hope you have fun watching these.
I’m excited for your episode by episode review, but I really hope you continue doing longer and more in-depth ones, since those are my favorite
To be honest after seeing the s2 premiere I think I’ll wait to watch it all
And then do a deep dive
I’ve heard so much about Euphoria but I don’t think I could stomach watching it. I watched GOT and had to always skip the graphic scenes. Euphoria actually reminds me of a show that was popular around the time I was in high school. Secret Life of the American Teenager. That show was definitely tame compared to what I heard about Euphoria. I only watched a few episodes but I remember girls in my high school wanting to be like Amy and getting pregnant as teens.
Love your outfit, love your hair, love your makeup… Serena you are absolutely gorgeous 🥰❤️
I just don't understand the target audience, with the drugs, nudity etc. it's too mature for teens, but with it's supposed teen storylines it's also not aimed at adults. I used to watch skins which also had themes of drug addiction and so on, but with Euphoria I just feel like it's style over substance and shock just for shock value.
I always thought Euphoria was for people in the age where they go off to college to reflect on the messed up things they might've gone through in high school and be able to sympathize with things/ people they couldn't understand while they were still in high school. Like holding up a mirror to them and saying: Hey, this might've been you in the past or someone you know, this is how things like this can happen and why it's a bad thing, you realize it now? At least for me, I watched it when I was 19 first and the aspects of drug abuse and the really messed up relationships and abuse made me realize why and what people I knew went through (not always in the extremes but bad enough) while we were in high school.
You made a lot of good points. They make teens seem so grown nowadays. I have no need to watch it lol my teen years were traumatizing enough lol i dont need to relive it
I just got off work and you have me screaming ! The video of the century has been dropped.
Thankyou, you’re too nice 😭
@@SerenaSkybourne a responsive queen ! Love the content you create. Hope you’re having a lovely day/night :)
Euphoria really reminds me of that scene in the It books when an underage Bev gets a train ran through her by all her male friends. It’s literally just like…… What made you think this was a good idea?
I love the board with the photos, the little point to nate like do NOT forget it’s THIS guy we are talking about and hate majority of the time 😂43:57
edit: hahahahhaha and here 😂 56:00
she is a british goddess. the looks and the accent nothing is missing here. i'm not into any of these shows at all half the time i don't even know what she's talking about but if she's in it i'll watch it.
You’re too kind!
@@SerenaSkybourne yer a gossip fiend but u r stunning.
Have you watched the two extra episodes that came out last year? There's one on Rue and one on Jules and they were both really good, specially Rue's episode, it's so intense. Rue has a conversation with her sponsor and Jules with her therapist and we learn about what happened after the try to run away.
no i havent seen them yet!
Love your new hair:)
Thankyou ☺️☺️
I do love the show but I have to pretend the characters are not in highschool. I feel like nearly every show set in highschool these days should be set in university. Why aren't they??? Seems like an easy fix
and university life would actually be fascinating in a tv show! why don't we see this more? It could be equally fun and dramatic
@@SerenaSkybourne exactly! I assume the high school setting is chosen so that writers don't have to think about giving their characters larger outside issues to deal with such as work stress, bills, housing anxieties, etc. But setting the show in university would accomplish the same thing, be much more interesting, be more realistic, AND make us all much more comfortable lol
@@ashellebee Agree with more shows in college, this is desperately needed. I'd love to have more shows deal with serious issues people in college go through. Disagree with setting Euphoria as it is in college improves on the story or make it more realistic. As you said, bringing Euphoria to college means the characters have different issues than they have will being in high school and this changes the story a lot not just its setting. Just because there are many shows in high school already? doesn't mean the writers should change the story they wanted to tell (especially since it's based on real experiences the show runner went through. Also isn't the discomfort kind of the point?
I'm a 41 year old Mum of sons so I'm probably much older than most of your viewers, but I enjoy your video's so much...I'm so glad you covered Euphoria, I have mixed feelings about the show too but do enjoy it. For all the controversy I appreciate the conversations it has started, I saw it before my son and we have had many debates about it, his girlfriend joins in also.. for all the icky parts of the show I enjoyed how it triggered this response in you, you came alive sharing your mature rants haha. I hope the rest of s2 inspires more of this!
Aww thankyou and who knows, I might prefer season 2
@@SerenaSkybourne either way I'm sure it will give you inspiration to share your views on the storylines, with it being so intense these are topics we haven't heard your opinions of before as the other content you have covered is conservative compared to Euphoria.. apart from 365 days etc haha. We all appreciate the time it must take you to make video's of this length and depth.
Please watch the 2 episode specials that came out a year ago, they were so good and have more info on what happened to Rue and Jules after the season 1 finale!
I definitely agree the show would be more ‘appropriate’ (i use that lightly) if the characters were in college or older teens or very early twenties.
The show is also rated TV-MA, so it’s not for high schoolers at all. I think more people would enjoy it if they were a bit older, also like… they don’t need to live at home or have parents?? So, do you just want them in a high school??
I do personally really enjoy the show, but I totally agree with that.
As a viewer in his 20s, I think setting the story in high school is just a convenient way to tie all the characters together. I assume I'm watching 20-somethings until I'm reminded otherwise tbh.
I can’t wait to see your take on season 2
haha thankyouuu
I hate when they say "bEcaUse wE waNt iT to bE reAliStic" or whatever but they always focus the realism only when it comes to teenage sex like come on just say you like those sorts of scens you 50-year-old creeps! and also where is the realism please it is so glamourous with cool shoots and they look so beautiful and so good even when it is their first time it looks like a music video, it is so unrealistic for teenagers what are you talking about!.
i haven’t finished the video yet so this isn’t all of my thoughts, but you look gorgeous! i love the hair and top and everything! i see what you’re saying about the nudity, i think a lot of it is unnecessary and sometimes uncomfortable. i think it’s included tho because it attracts attention. there’s already a lot going on and they didn’t really need the many nudity scenes, but i think teens like myself (19) are interested in just how crazy and no limits the show is
I went to a watch “party” at a friends house for the premiere of season two. My gf and I never really dove into it before so we started watching season one and I really.. wasn’t into it. I mean I’ve seen skins. I’ve seen degrassi. I’ve seen girls. But euphoria was the hardest to watch for sure. There are so many triggering scenes! Why!? I mean Jules and Nates dad made my stomach turn, Cassie and MacKay was painful, and I had fully skip past Jules backstory when she asked the psych ward employee to leave the can of soda behind... it’s unnecessarily gruesome. I don’t want to watch Rue potentially kill herself over and over. I don’t want to see portrayals of kids being abused on screen. It’s trauma porn at its core and while hard to watch, it’s also hard to look away.
I have such a short attention span but somehow I watched this all the way through. Lmfaooo. Great commentary :)
Glad you enjoyed!
i was in my late teens/early 20s when skins first aired and i remember being so uncomfortable with some of the sex stuff on there. and compared to euphoria skins was basically Teletubbies. honestly, i try to ignore how young these characters are supposed to be when i watch it. helps that most of the actors look like their actual age anyways. it's so weird that i'm creeped out by teenagers doing graphic stuff like taking drugs and having sex cause when i was a teenager i was taking drugs and having sex so it's not like i don't know that that stuff (and worse, lbh) is going on at that age. maybe i'm just becoming a prude in my old age lol
Maybe I'm very naive or something because I realise most people critisize euphoria for the nudity, but I just figure there were several shows before euphoria that did the same, but we somehow were okay with it? Like, gossip girl comes to mind, but unlike those shows, euphoria makes people uncomfortable. I was just assuming that's intentional, but maybe I'm naive and I got it wrong. I agree with you in the sense that I experienced life as a teenager like you did, when I was 14, my 15 year old friend did cocaine for the first time, (I'm from switzerland and we're not poor or whatever, it's not legal and I'm mentioning it because cultural context might be a factor, our age of consent is 14 I believe, but the law around it is actually confusing for americans to understand, we don't exactly put an age limit to it but age difference) so the thing I'm getting at is, that same friend a year later bullied my 16 year old friend for still being a virgin and all in all, she got out of life fine, but drugs and sex were a thing long before we all turned 18. I very much relate to the characters in euphoria. The thing is that I like about is most is that they have this very real sense of discomfort to them. I point it out to everyone but the sex scenes in euphoria aren't romantic. The first sex scene I remember is when Jules has sex with Nate's dad and that's so uncomfortable to see. Kat loses her virginity and is filmed while having sex. Maybe I'm getting it wrong, but I thought that was intentional. Wasn't it gossip girl where the underage girl is starting the flirtationship with a teacher, which is framed to be kinda tragic because it ends early? maybe it's pretty little liars, i don't watch these shows but I remember seeing a part of it and it's like-Euphoria is a show put on TV in a time where everyone is starting to talk about consent and is critical about the age where these people have sex. We have several videos on youtube, all released in the past year, that discuss the sexual undertones from Victorious, a kids show. We're just very critical of minors being sexual in any way and I think the fact that sex is uncomfortable to see for these teenagers, that has to be intentional, Jules is blackmailed for sharing child pornography as a consequence for sharing her nudes, Cassie gets an innocent man beaten up and imprisoned for having revenge sex with him, Rue takes drugs and she falls back and forth with her addiction. I'm just kinda convinced that this show is very harsh commentary on sex and drugs within teenagers during a time where everyone is critical about it and the fact that people boil it down to "but they really inspire people to copy their make up and style shows that teenagers are influenced by this show" seems so much like virtue signaling to me.
Skins had similar sex scenes and drug use but the actors before actually 16 17 28 April Pearson (Michelle) has a podcast where she interviews other previous cast members and it has some good insight on how they weren’t treated the best and the sex scenes etc were uncomfortable for them
I can't imagine a single teenager relating to this show
watching this after seeing season 2 is so funny seeing your takes at some points
I'm on the fence about watching Euphoria 'cause some of my friends love it but I've heard a lot of criticism that makes me think I wouldn't enjoy it so 🤔
Love that you actually got the board on a stand haha 💕
the point of euphoria is to make people uncomfortable it's to make people realize what kids are going through like i get that it's played up a bit for like the dramatization of it but it's showing how teenagers feel rn and how they think that their lives are playing out
Kinda funny how I was just watching the season 2 premiere before open ing youtube and finding this lol
I love this show. I think the narrative structure is so smooth and clean. The characters are also super interesting. However, I wish it didn’t have the “this is how real teens are”-label. I wish it could just exist as pure fiction.
Unfortunately, for a lot of teens, this is not fiction. But the teenage experience differs so vastly from human to human, city to city, group to group, for some it is a depiction of how teenagers really are, for some it appears to be purely fiction
@@totaltotal8481 That’s exactly why I think they should have went for a more neutral marketing
@@npsck1802 But then it loses the conversation around it. Most people who never have been confronted with it will just assume it's an outlandish story and it's sole purpose is entertainment, when for people who haven't had stuff like that happen to them it's a tool that teaches them about how bad things can actually get during teenage years and they will actually think about the topics at hand and how they apply to real life teens.
Rue was born shortly after 2001, meaning she’s likely class of 2020 (my class). All of which meaning they would currently be college students/college aged. Viewing the show from that lens helped contextualize it a bit better to me. It’s likely viewing memories.
I love Euphoria, but it would be WAY better in like early college. Like sophomore year. I guess they wanted McKay to have a story line, but he could've been a senior about to graduate. I had to skip a lot of scenes as a younger viewer, and honestly I only started watching bc my HBO subscription was about to end and I saw Zendaya was in it and I heard some hype about it. I guess high school raises the stakes, because whatever they do affects their college, but that anxiety still could've been there in sophomore year of college.
Also we do not stan Kat.
Never have, (probably) never will.
I'd still argue it's a different mindset between a high schooler and someone going to college (one of the biggest facts that everyone still lives at their parents home), the illegality of certain actions in the show only makes sense when they are minors in high school, college kids have different worries and responsibilities than high school kids. I'd love a show like Euphoria in college though, because it would talk about different topics again, but I don't think Euphoria's story like it is now makes any sense if the characters are in college instead of high school. But yes, we need more shows about young adults.
We love the little board🙂
its very cute
girl I need you to start a podcast and talk about these tv shows on it!!