The Downfall of Hanna Marin: A Video Essay
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 25 ก.ค. 2024
- Today's deep dive is all about the downward spiral of Hanna Marin, including how she regressed over the course of the show, lack of growth and that horrendous love triangle.
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backstory- 00:00
parenting- 04:33
Hanna’s personality- 05:47
character development? 09:18
the downfall of Hanna Marin 12:04
relationships- 23:39
the love triangle- 34:12
storylines- 38:34
sensitive subjects- 39:43
Hanna & Mona- 43:01
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Serena's voice is so therapeutic I love it
haha thankyou 🤗
The "british" accent on a woman is so damn sexy. I say "british" because I don't know what her exact accent is but it sounds british
@@ericv5435 I thought the same thing, but she's Australian XDD
@@nocte.animam still the same.
Hanna was definitely underestimated by the rest of the liars and that’s why I sometimes question their friendships. Hanna was the most loyal, caring character and she wasn’t stupid. But they took her for an absolute idiot, they didn’t take her seriously, especially spencer constantly correcting her when it’s clearly irony.
Hanna was pretty damn idiot and never knew what irony was but go off I guess. Still thinking how she mistakes a blind girl for a deaf girl. I totally get why someone intelligent like Spencer or the others (sometime) would not trust something important in her hands. She never lived up to the task.
@@iprobablyhateyou8426 to explain the line- “Jenna can’t hear US she’s blind.” What Hannah meant was while Jenna can hear someone walking she can’t hear WHO (the US) is walking. Because it could be anyone. Meaning there was no point in walking softer cause she can’t hear WHO it is. Jenna couldn’t verify who she heard without a voice. Hannah never mistook her for being deaf, Spencer misunderstood and Hannah immediately interjects with- “you know what I mean.”
@@emilydemille6934 i never really thought about it like that! i just thought she was making a "funny" comment, as its in her character
@@iprobablyhateyou8426 “was pretty damn idiot”?
@@iprobablyhateyou8426 imao she is ironic all the time " she didnt know what irony is " IMFAO
And she wasent dumb at all, she just HavE a different intelligence
i have to mention that i loved the quote that Caleb said about the girls
"pretty girls lie, rich girls steal, smart girls act dumb and dumb girls spend all their time trying to be all of the above". this fascinates me cause how many people interpreted it in different ways and which liar can fit into which role in this quote
I mean Smart girl act dumb is 100% for Hanna
@@laurine____7543 yeah thats for sure. im not sure about the others tho
Rich girl who steals is probably Spencer, stealed two of her sisters boyfriend and Hanna's boyfriends too, she's clearly the richest character. Dumb girl who tries to be everything is probably Emily as she doesn't really have a personality. Pretty girl who lies is probably Aria, as the actress who plays her and the actress who plays Hanna are the most tradicionaly beautifull, also her and Spencer are the ones who seem to lie the most.
This is only my opinion though.
@@abc_jv_xyz tbh i think Mona Emily and Hanna are the prettiest^^
@@laurine____7543 That's why I said "tradicionaly beautifull", beauty is subjective but we all know hollywood's beauty standarts and they fit in the most.
I think Allison is the most beautifull but as the actress who plays her has a health problems that makes gain weight, she doesn't totally fit the standarts.
With the parenting, I remember this heartbreaking scene. Tom was going to pay for one of his 'daughters' college. He chose Kate his new daughter because he thought Hanna wasn't smart enough to go to college. When in fact she did great on the SATs. This just hurt me, and made me feel sorry for her. So she can get money, she enters a beauty pageant where her coach says she not good enough. Everyone is telling her she's not good enough.
The college thing was a bit of a plot hole to be fair. If they rejected Hannah's aid application based on her father's income then it means she could easily get a loan with her father acting as a guarantor (and it should have occurred to Tom, as well).
Then again, maybe it wouldn't because he was too self-absorbed to give a damn. He behaved so unbelievably selfish in that moment, telling her his new daughter will get to go to the college of her choice because he _promised Isabelle_. Hey Tom, didn't you previously make a promise _to Hannah_ that she's always going to be your daughter? And now it turns out you haven't spoken to your daughter about her college plans since she was, what, 12? SMH.
@@annaeverette8960 well that’s the point. He wouldn’t have done that for her
The worst thing is not that he wanted to pay for his step daughter
The worst thing is he didn't believe that Hannah didn't do anything about the nude picture
And when it came out Kate actually send another girls picture with her head on it,and not Hannah
He didn't even apologize and left and probably still paid for Kate the college
And never was seen again which just is a prove that he never loved Hannah
In my opinion Hannah should have sued Kate for what she did or better saying Hannah should have tried to find out whose body it was and convinced this person to suing Kate, which would mean Kate wouldn't probably go to college after all she would be a sex offender for sending Nude pics
@@ChrisAtheist in season 2 Kate gives Hanna some drog and Hanna vomited on Isabel’s wedding dress and after that Tom is blaming Hanna for vomiting
So I don’t like Tom
@@malcarlos7591 that was alcohol,
Kate had 2 different bottles one with and one without alcohol
Ashley was my favourite parent because of the way she loves hanna and just everything she does is for hanna is amazing and kinda realistic
Indeed, she is the right amount of strict and loving. She is not perfect, but she jenuinely loves her daughter
Meanwhile I disliked Ashley simply because her character’s nervousness made me nervous in turn. I just felt like while she made complete sense as Hanna’s mother-beautiful, well-turned-out, not the most ethical person ever-Hanna might have benefitted from a more confident and secure parental figure especially cause her dad SUCKED
Reminds me of me and my mom xD
Yes! She was actually involved a lot with Hanna and paid attention to what was happening. (Can’t remember if it were her or Ella who caught on about the girls being threatened)
@@ruthbygodsgrace1621 wait when did that happen
What saddens me the most about Hanna is that she started out as my favourite but then later on her character was just completely destroyed
Right? I loved her so much and then they made character assasination. She was actually my favourite character in the book.
Actually no . In the beginning she was so annoying . At the mid - end she was the best she’s my favorite
?? that's reality. people can change for better or worse. that's actually good writing. people can't always be how you want them to be
Nah she was always annoying, rude, impulsive, idiotic, and creates most of the problems on the show which could have so easily been avoided😃
@@jacquelynmartinez4464 in the middle she became annoying especially with lucas in season 3
A big issue with the show is that the girls are rarely single, it would so interesting for someone to count how many episodes each girl is completely single
I'll tell you this much. Aria never spent an episode without kissing some dude
Aria always got away with stuff, like when she killed Shana. It was handled so poorly and everyone forgot about it after 1 or 2 episodes. Like she just took someone's life. I would have imagined Aria maybe getting some nightmares or something but nothing happened. Police never found out somehow, and she had a secret relationship with Ezra, her english teacher who was over 20 at least. That's just creepy. Oh and remember when Aria kissed Ezra's little brother and he never found out? Oh god lmao. She was my least favorite liar, my top 2 being Hanna and Spencer. I didn't care much about Emily or Alison but yeah. Smh
Also the timeline is weird. Where each season is like one month while so much is happening and how they get over traumatic events. Like Aria killed someone in New York and one or two episodes later she’s fine.
@@yourbabytee and the fact that they were seniors from seasons 3-6A (so like 75 episodes give or take; and essentially half the show) and they didn’t have the nerve have a graduation episode 😂
You’re right. Her negativity seemed to stem from her insecurities meaning she never progressed as a character, she regressed. WEIRD
so strange
true!!! the writers tried so hard to make her the sassy character (i fear mainly because of the success of "jenna can't hear us, she's blind"), but failed miserably
it's like the trauma of what happened to them seemed to effect her in the most negative way and it really does seem like she regressed in the show because of how they were trying to portray her
On the comment about why Allison would want Hannah in the clique, I have been the “ugly friend” in the popular group and I think a comment the ring leader made in front of the whole group is pretty telling. I had cystic acne on my whole body, face to legs, but I still had genuine friendships with these other girls and had boyfriends. This girl told me in front of everyone I’m the ugly friend the group keeps around to feel better about themselves, which I knew wasn’t true to everyone in that clique, but was more telling of her. And that’s probably what Allison did with Hannah when they were younger. She was her ego boost.
Wow! That was really cruel. I'm sorry someone said that to you. I know exactly what you mean in terms of group dynamics bc that's exactly what I thought about Hanna when it came to Alison and the Liars. Hanna even admitted she felt special to be chosen by Alison so she put up with the horrible comments and slights by her. I felt like the "ugly friend" in my group when I moved from England to America at 13. My new school was small and the kids had known each other their entire lives, so I was trying to fit in ANYWHERE, and would tolerate things I'd never allow today. Growing up sucks!
Ps. That profile pic is gorgeous! ❤
@@spanglelime sounds to me like Hanna was the Gretchen of the group like in mean girls. Always willing to be picked on because she's so lucky to be chosen.
omg, the exact same thing happened to me when i was 10 or 11. i had become friends with a "popular" group of girls and felt like i had genuine bonds with everyone except the ring leader and one day out of nowhere, she called me out in front of everyone and told me none of them even liked me, they just kept me around to do everything they didn't wanna do & i could see on everyone's faces they didn't agree but couldn't stand up for me. i broke up with them that day and for months after, the other girls would constantly send me notes in class asking if I was okay or try to talk to me when the ring leader wasn't looking, i ignored them lol. a few months later though i became friends with everyone again except the ring leader and we broke off and formed our own clique. its funny though cause even to this day, 10+ years later, the ring leader still reaches out to me on social media and is constantly inviting me to her parties and stuff 💀
In the books, Alison actually thinks that Hanna has a potential to be the new Queen Bee in her stead.
Also she makes them look prettier by comparison
I hate how the pageant was a thing that went no where for Emily. She was being a good friend doing it for Hannah but we never saw that story fleshed out. Hannah could have been in the audience cheering her on. It could have been a reason their relationship is cemented that isn't about A or Allison
Yes I totally hated the fact that the writers just dropped it out of the blue like that Emily totally got the short end out of all of the liars to me 🤯😡🤬🥶
I just rewatched pll, and the last thing I saw about the pageant was that lady Who was in charge of it telling Emily she cant compete because she was associated with the alison dilaurentis case. The pageant didnt want to associated with it.
A bold, confident Hanna arc would've contrasted really well with an Aria A reveal imo, it always felt like Hanna and Aria were the most blatant with saying what they felt and being sort of reckless, but it almost felt like writers no longer knew what to do with the series once Alison came back. No offense to Alison as a character at all, but it almost felt like writers weren't planning on the series going on for that long and just started throwing ideas and seeing what would fall into place
THIS! you also never really see team Haria... Hanna was alone with spencer in scenes and with emily but almost NEVER with Aria except in like season 2 when she was forced to blackmail her mom with the ticket! this would’ve been the perfect way to end it is if the group was forced to pick sides almost
@@kitgoolsby Oh that's really neat, I never thought about the group picking sides but honestly it would've been a great ending! I feel like the reason they didn't put Hanna and Aria together is because both had very sharp tongues and I think it's obvious they would've clashed. After season 1 and at most season 2, Haria never happened. The worst was Aria slut-shaming and victim-blaming Hanna for the whole Zac thing in season 5. At first Aria definitely seemed like the compassionate one, but I think that's because they tried to paint her that way. In reality, she definitely had the darkest side and was the least compassionate.
Iirc, it was actually supposed to end after Season 3, so you're right about them not having expected the show to go on that long, and tbh, it definitely shows. I also think they didn't want to be predictable to a detrimental degree. Your audiences putting pieces together and figuring out who A is probably speaks more to consistency of the writing and the plot-development. Yeah, you shouldn't make it super obvious, but I digress. I think a lot of the time when people figured out who A was the writers scrambled to change it last-minute because they didn't want to be predictable, which led to a lot of inconsistencies and plot elements that, in the long run, didn't make sense, created more problems (i.e. plot-holes). It also led them to introduce factors and plot elements that were completely out of nowhere and didn't tie in with the plot because, well, it was made up on the spot--why? Because they didn't want audiences figuring it out. Like the whole Ezra plot where he's writing a book--which, I mean, Ezra/Aria were pretty fucking awful from the beginning, but that whole plot-element made Ezra look wayyyy worse... and they just... glossed over it? Didn't set it up to begin with? Lmao.
@@katie5998thing is. Viewers wouldn't give a shit about it being predictable if it's actually written well...most of them wouldn't anyway.
@@xHeyItsCami Exactly. On some level, predictability can hurt you if its boring, ya know? Like first page of the book ya know who the killer is. There's no mystery or intrigue. But it can also benefit you if it's well-written and there's a satisfying twist, if readers guess who it is they get satisfaction, and its consistent in your writing. Desire to be so non-predictable is where PLL went wrong, their desire hurt their writing and was nonsensical plot-wise and dissatisfying.
Can we just quickly mention how DUMB it is that Hanna's mom gets mad at her for the party/stolen money when it was her who put the money on the fucking kitchen inside a lasagna box????? like get a safe, whatever. Put it under lock inside a closet or sth. SO mad about that, and also how dirty the showrunners did Hannah like she was such a good character, honest and straight to the point.
Tbh I quite like Hannah's 'spiral' character because it shows what someone may go through mentally from being tormented by 'A'. Many people would act different and evolve into this type of person from the amount of trauma the girls went through.
I agree. Also, it makes Emily’s struggle with college more realistic. I never could get on board with how tortured these girls were and yet how easily they continued with their lives, still showing up to class in full makeup and hair/nails and cute outfits. If I were going through that. I’d be a smelly shut-in never leaving my house again 😳
@@tiffanyquasnitschka1901 exactly realistically they would all look like when Spencer went to Radley or when she relapsed in late season 4
@@tiffanyquasnitschka1901 it definitely wasn’t easy
@@codezero7981 not really because everyone reacts to situations in different ways. It definitely wasn’t easy for all the girls to move on
that shower scene with hanna and caleb awakened something in me lmao 😳
😂😂😂
I loved that scene haha
@@xlucie.l best scene ever
Same lmaoo
Honestly the first Caleb-Hanna romance plot was the best
It almost seemed like the girls didnt even like Hanna, and for some reason, A always gave Hanna the most shit.
Fr. If you remember, back in season 4 when we had the whole Spencer being an addict and stuff, everyone wanted to help her and try to reel her back in to the Spencer she was back in seasons 1-3. But when Hanna was sexually harassed by Zac, nobody seemed to care. It only took Hanna getting KIDNAPPED and l tortured by A for the liars to actually realize something was wrong and try to help. And even then they barely did anything.
So this might be an unpopular take: but Hanna's regression makes sense to me on some level. She is a neglected child. Bullied by someone she idolized, forced into an eating disorder, constantly thought of as stupid and not as intelligent as the other members of her peer group, forced into It Girl status by basically making her look like one of her abusers, treated cruelly by the stepsister her father clearly favors over her, being through countless traumas.....regression makes sense. And unfortunately Hanna being the one to regress makes the most sense because of EVERYTHING that was stacked against her. It sucks because she should have been given the chance to shine because there were brief moments and glimpses where she does shine. But she also is the comedic relief. And honestly I don't think the writers of PLL were intentional with her regression and if they were they did a shitty job. Because they could have done it fully aware of what happens to young adults who have been through compound trauma and regress and actually had her navigate that and the Liars being supportive. But they were never supportive of Hanna. And it infuriates me.....and now I'm ranting.
poor Hanna. the issue is i feel that the directors/creators wanted to have her be super impulsive and grumpy towards the end without an actual reason or explanation? It didnt seem that developed or like they understood her motives. Idk because in earlier seasons she was under a lot of stress too but she wasnt being as weird
I believe Hanna’s shift in behavior in S5 happens because of the return of Ali and then Mona’s supposedly death and in S6 the effects of the dollhouse. It gotten worse in the time jump where she lost her job, got abducted and tortured, and broke up with her fiancé. Hanna’s been tortured the most by all three A’s and her having little patience, snapping, and yelling at ppl is the most realistic reaction with the amount of trauma she went through. But at the same time, I felt Ashley Benson was over with the show around that time. As you noticed, Hanna’s voice is low as Ashley in S6-S7.
but does she have to raise her voice so much? 😂 I wouldnt mind it is everyone was doing it but when its just her its so weird
Yeah i mean on s5 she was alcoolic bc of a shitty Caleb and people still call her rude imao
@@laurine____7543 Hanna was already being an alcoholic before Caleb came back. Alison made her change
You are completely spot on!! It always bothered me that A always seemed to hate Hanna the most.
@@babssoden8668 wtf ? you are just a caleb stan...i am too but i wont deny his fault...hannah start driking too much bc of caleb
I think what’s most upsetting about the love triangle is no friends that close would be okay with an ex dating their friend nor would the friend be comfortable dating the ex. It just seems to cross way to many boundaries, and what if the ex shares things about your best friend that they didn’t want to share with you? It just feels super weird and if the show claims they’re inseparable and the best of friends, it’s really hard to believe Spencer would be comfortable doing it.
Also the fact that Caleb and Toby were bros...like the writers had Caleb dating his friend's ex as well as dating his ex's friend! like wth that's way too messy
And it was the same situation for Spencer too. She was dating her best friend's ex who was also her ex's best bro.
And I always really liked the relationship between Caleb and Toby so it makes me even more irritated that the writers did this!
Tbf the Liars weren't close, they were just trauma-bonded. It's suuuuuper weird from Caleb & Toby's side, tho
I don't think it's that weird bc Spencer flirted with at least two of her own sister's boyfriends. Also, we all agree she doesn't seem to respect Hannah much as a friend/person. All of the girls do a bunch of stuff to each other that just show they don't have the strongest, healthiest friendship ever, on the contrary. I get why you wouldn't think it's on character for her to be with a friend's ex, but... idk jfjd
@@Su-mx7ix Fair point and same. They either break or lack some serious boundaries like it's nothing. They're either horrible people or poor friends 🤣
@@Su-mx7ix nah they were close asf
Hanna was the most relatable to me, to start with at least. I like how she was often the only one questioning things. I love how she stands up for people, like Mona. Spencer might be book smart, but Hanna brings something else. She could have been much greater. Ashley Benson is a good enough actress, when she is allowed to be.
And oh dear, her mom is a wonderful mess. It would be great if you could make a video about their parents at some point. They are all problematic AF ;)
the parents are a whole MESS
don’t hate on miss ashley she’s a true queen
@@dinofashionicon8364 Oh I don't hate her at all, she is wonderful... but a mess ;)
Spencer was more than book smart, they would not know what to do half of the time if it wasn't for Spencer.
@@SerenaSkybourne Aria’s mum is the best mom and Emily’s dad is the best dad
tbh all the girls always cared more about the men they were with more than their friends. the only exception is emily but because her partner was one of the girls
I literally cannot wait for the spencer video
me too!! xxx
Same omgg
Same!! I've been waiting ;)
@@SerenaSkybourne i have a feeling you are saving the best for last hahaha
@@roberta9643 you’d be right 😆
Hanna’s crime book obsession lasted like two episodes it was sooo random 😭 Hanna had good storylines at first but it slowly got messier
But I loved the idea of a smart Hannah, I wish she went into the police force and became a detective, the fashion thing was weird majority of the show, we never saw her focus on fashion apart from the first 10 episodes
For me, the Spencer and Caleb storyline is up there with the twin finale for its level of how much it badly effected the show
it rly was bad
I loved spencer & caleb. They match so well
@Josefin Tiittanen because why would u want ur best friend to date ur ex
I never stopped liking Hanna I thought she just stopped opening up to her friends
Samee my fave all the way
She's my favorite through out
Hanna was always a reminder for me that you can't grow with trauma and get out stronger than ever. Sometimes trauma affect your personality in a negative way, especially when it is unsolved. I think that's why Hanna struggles so much with Alison's return.
For me that's a reason Hanna chose to be with Jordan later on. He was all different to her past and maybe she thought that she could be more happy leaving rosewood and people who are similar to the ones she met in rosewood behind.
I really get what you are taking about, especially the snappy side - but I feel sorry for Hanna all along.
i feel bad for her too 😓
Hannah was doing so well without all that toxicity surrounding her (minus the difficult boss, but that's life in general I guess!).
I feel like when Alison came back thats Hannah started dressing darker, being sulky and turning to alcohol. I find that very realistic too because Alison was terrible to Hannah, she was manipulative and had some sick motive behind everything she said to her. Alison tormented Hannah (maybe Emily im not sure) the most. It makes sense for when Alison comes back Hannah will start to spiral because she brings so much baggage. Hannah also had to try to be there for her since she came back after the run and that was also hard on her. Overall I think that it was realistic for Hannah to spiral after Alison came back but I wish that there wouldve been a moment where Hannah realized that she is better than what she was doing and and a character arc woudve happened.
the scene where hannah was practicing dancing for the pageant was so painful to watch 😭
so so excited for spencer she always intrigued me the most
She’s so interesting!
She’s so annoying
"Oh please, Jenna can't hear us, she's blind" 😭😭💀
Well that's true
Jenna couldn't hear who is walking except if they're would speak
They kinda did glamorize Hanna's ed. She had bulimia, so her hair should've been falling out, her teeth rotting, her cheeks puffy, her complexion sallow. But nope, she just got skinny and popular and she was perfectly healthy.
I mean, it is definitely true that they glamorized her ED but I think she specifically says Alison taught her how to throw up but she didn’t stay with it. So she didn’t exactly have bulimia, but definitely disordered eating (though it was kind of swept under the rug), possibly some version of anorexia that began when she and Mona decided to become popular and hot. And they were so irresponsible to treat it the way they did.
I don't think Hannah was meant to actually have bulimia, although the writers didn't do a very good job of explaining. It's not uncommon for teens and young adults to experiment with ED behaviors but not fully make criteria for an ED. But no matter how you look at it, Hannah's weight loss really just glorifies the culture of shame about our bodies and that's never addressed.
You know the majority of the symptoms you mentioned don’t happen for YEARS, right? I was that way severely for years and people used to ask me for diet advice as I’d lost so much weight and appeared so healthy. I always assumed it was bc I was young so my body was able to recover first. I had a tiny bit of healthy chub. My hair never fell out- until years later when I ceased eating entirely (I didn’t ever hear of hair falling out being associated with bul? Not even in treatment). Same with the cilia hairs on my face (came during ana). Anyway the puffiness and bloating did happen eventually but after years.... though THAT is more common to happen in the early days.
As for your teeth... let’s put it this way.... I had the same dentist for 12 years and I was bulemic the first ten.... he didn’t notice or say anything about my teeth having no enamel and start asking me about my ed until I’d already been to treatment and was in a period of being healthy after a decade (then relapsed and was ana predominant for two or so years but it got really bad really quick so I got serious help after that now I’ve been a normal weight for years. I’m 32 btw
They did glamorize it in the sense though that they didn’t show HER turmoil enough. People complimenting you and shit is realistic. Even if not in all cases, it was in mine. People were treating me TOTALLY different, like I was a celebrity or something (when i was skinny but not too skinny and didn’t have physical symptoms yet in the first 5 years or so). I think the unrealistic part was that they essentially showed her to be entirely mentally stable, then just puke, then back to normal. Like as if she got called chubby by Allison and DECIDED to lose weight that way. Which, as we all know, the people who “decide” to try it but don’t have the disease don’t keep it up because it’s disgusting and awful and obviously only someone sick would be doing something so hurtful to themselves too.
Not sure about the show. In the books, ED is not handled very well. It is said that she managed to stop with her "habits" (and she is "only" on a strict diet), but she returns to them when she deals with trauma. However, it is Hanna who ends up in Radley, not Spencer, due to her ED.
They also treat her ED like it go away once she start becoming skinnier imao
Will you do some people other than liars? Like Mona and some side characters? I would love to see every single one, to be honest🥰❤
If I feel like I have enough to say and something to bring to the table then I will ♥️
I really wanna see on Jason
@@SerenaSkybourne you will def HavE enought to say about Mona
@@laurine____7543 agreed xxx
I’d love love LOVE an episode on Mona and an episode on Alison as they’re basically liars anyway
it's like torture to wait but it's worth it!
🤣🤣 i cant wait for you all to see it
@@SerenaSkybourne same!! it'll be the best thing to do just after my exams 😌
@@riamalia9966 💓💓💓
i would love to see video essays for charaters like mona, jenna, jason and mike like supporting charaters bc although they werent given that much screen time (which is a shame) they were so intersting
theyre great characters!
Especially Mona. Imo, she is one of the liars
@@laurine____7543 Agree! I'd love one about mona soo much
@Mariela Gutierrez i agree! I think ill do it xx
@@laurine____7543 she definitely wasn’t one of them as they never accepted her😂😂😂
Thank you for mentioning Holbrook and Wren kissing Hanna, because PLL consistently normalized teenage girls hooking up with grown men (sometimes women in Emily’s case). Ezra is obvious, but so many of the grown male characters introduced in the show have relationships or hookups with the teen girls in the show, even Mona, Jenna, and Allison, and it isn’t shown as inappropriate. While I think the Pennsylvania age for consent in 16/17 I think, they hardly ever show the ramifications on the girls from being in relationships with older guys or how their looked like from the perspective of others, with the exception of Aria/Ezra. Aria made it seem like Zack coming on to Hanna was crazy and that was the only time they openly condemned an adult/child relationship on the show
Wasn't it Hannah who kissed both Wren and Holbrook? At least Holbrook immediately backed away which was decent of him (Wren on the other hand asked her out, of course, because he's Wren).
Zack thing was particularly disturbing because she was visibly intoxicated at the time.
I never really wrapped my head around Aria's reaction to that. "I just didn't want to believe he could do this to my mom" seems like a weak excuse after everything she's been through with her friends. In what universe would Hannah lie about something like this?
@@annaeverette8960 That's true, but Holbrook still doesn't sit right with me after his clearly consensual kiss with Alison. He obviously doesn't have a problem with kissing underage girls. I just wish the writers hadn't added the Hanna/Holbrook kiss because there was no point to it and it just made it seem ok to do that.
Right, I was just confused as to why these grown men were involved with higher schoolers, like why would an established doctor like wren, want to be with someone in high school???
I'm glad you mentioned it because it really would've been nice to see the girls be single more. As someone who's never had a relationship I feel like that perspective is rarely shown on shows. Especially PLL where they jumped from relationship to relationship.
agreed! single women need more representation
You are so right I hated that the girls were always mostly in a relationships through out the series 💏💄👄💋
100% especially bc most of the love interests had no impact on the plot; some of them just seemed like they were there to be arm candy for the girls, i'd go as far to say that they jumbled the show and made it hard to keep up w all the side characters and subplots
100% agree. I think they should have showed Aria single for most of the show from season 1 to season 5 maybe and just being friends with Ezra. Then towards graduation they could slowly start a relationship.
Hannah, again they could have showed her single after her break up with Sean up until season 3 where they could have introduced Caleb.
It messes me up too bc it makes it seem like you'll always have lots of love interests in and out of your life just by existing. It can make you feel inadequate in comparison if you have a hard time clicking with people or finding who to date 🤧
I think one of the worst writing decisions in the show was to make Hanna and Caleb break up over the time jump. The love triangle was horrible and it also made it seem like their relationship (which was probably the strongest in the show) only really works when they are in danger.
Also, it's been a while since I watched the show, but watching your "sensitive subjects" category I feel like she had a lot of mental health issues (not just her ED, but also the stealing, the drinking and her aggressive behavior) that the writers just glossed over.
very true
it was always wild to me how much hanna climbed up the social ladder to be an equal to the girls/the people who were supposed to be her friends, but when they were all friends again, she was still treated like the odd one out 😭 and it’s even crazier that she was the only one who had friends outside the group that actually cared about her, and I think the lack of acknowledgment on that really shows the neglect on her character and what she achieved on actually being the only one who could move on and thrive without alison and even the girls.
I love hanna, I kinda related to her wayyyyyy too much esp. cause of the ED, divorce, shoplifting and she's just such an icon I love her I can't explain it
shes adorable
SO one of the weirdest things I noticed on the show and it was usually pointed at Hanna and Spencer, was that at any point, fully uneaten food would be thrown out. They would get food out of the fridge and throw it in the bin 5 seconds later. Hanna gets take out at one point and just throws it out straight away! I thought it was trying to lead up to an eating disorder storyline, but no, that was just what they did.
i find this to be very typical for American shows, even though I did notice it a lot here... but it always makes me wonder if Americans really throw away food like that or is it just for a dramatic purpose "I'm so angry i can eat right now" and obviously it looks more dramatic when the food is angrily thrown away that put back to the fridge 🤷♀️
American here. I save that shit - i still regret the leftovers a roommate threw away years ago 😂
@@ashleylandman1163 🤣🤣🤣 yeah sometimes it baffles me how much food people waste and have no regard for it. I currently live in Australia and people here waste a lot of food as well 😒
I've just realised that I didn't hate the Spencer and Caleb storyline because it was out of character, but because it *is* in character for all three of them. It really revealed who they really are, and it's unnerving because you love these people, you want them to win, and yet they're far from perfect. Spencer betrayed her sister by stealing two of her partners, and then chose to pursue her best friend's ex boyfriend. Not just an ex, but the love of Hanna's life at that point. Caleb was willing to hurt Hanna in order for a quick fling. And Hanna didn't hesitate to break Spencer's heart when she realised she was still in love with Caleb and wanted him back. She even purposefully held his hand in front of Spencer, and was very close, and insisted they had to do something, just the two of them. The love triangle was clearly meant to be dramatic and exciting, but in reality, it just revealed really negative sides to all of their characters. And especially in the final season of a beloved tv show, that's the last thing we want as an audience.
yes! i love hanna but damn, she was engaged. spencer and caleb were in a relashionship, the kiss WAS CHEATING AND EVERYBODY IGNORES THAT, caleb cheated spencer and hanna cheated jordan who was the best person in that season honestly
Another tidbit they brush over, when they made Hanna a super genius who gets into a bunch of colleges. I found it super interesting that maybe she was being revealed to be smarter so we knew something was going on but they forgot about it! I was so sad.
Well, Hanna was always very smart , i mean not book Smart but.... u know...
Hanna's downfall reminds me of Elena's downfall in The Vampire Diaries.
Hanna was so lovable and sweet until Alison returned, after that she pretty much annoyed me with everything she said or did.
The same thing with Elena, very lovable and sweet until she turned into a vampire.
It's so sad when writers ruin characters by not giving them a good arc. Like, let a good person turn into a villain if you want to, but make it good - not annoying or cringy.
Like with Hanna, they could've made her struggle with Alison returning so interesting but no, they just made her annoying.
Anyways, great video as always Serena! Can't wait for your take on Spencer! 😇
its so weird when writers ruin characters like that
Elena's character was so one dimensional as a human. The best thing they ever did was turn her into a vampire. I never was an Elena fan regardless. They did ruin Hanna though, one of the best characters
@@bernadettedeady4909 I agree, Elena's personality wasn't the best as a human but she had her cute moments and she was sweet in my opinion. Unfortunately they ruined that by turning her. She was so annoying and self-centered after that :/ bad character development
Well, Elena and Hanna did NOT Turn into vilain
And i personaly still like Hanna
Tbh being a vampire is one of the many thing that ruin Elena.... damon is one another. Nobody can stan the real ( human) Elena and stan Delena at the same i dont buy it. Damon did everything for Turn her into a female version of him
The pagent scene: she was upset because of Alison pushing her into the shadow and her dad chosing his step daughter over her. I thought she was going to have a moment after that where she broke down, talked to Emily, and realised she had value of her own. It would have helped both girls, especially with Alison. But instead it's just dropped. There was so much emotional turmoil they could have explored there and instead they just did a drinking thing. There was so much growth potential just ignored for more of the same thing as the previous seasons.
You didn’t have to look so damn good in the thumbnail... but u do and I thank u
☺️☺️ thankyou
I feel like the writers missed a opportunity to really talk about body image and eating disorders and bullying.. Hanna Body image issues were poorly done. And I found that the writers could have used this plot after the time jump to make Hanna and Alisson connect. Like, Alisson was a bully that used to pic on people for what their body looked like. She made Hanna’s life hell making her think she wouldn’t be beautiful if she wasn’t skinny. I find it really hard to believe Alisson wouldn’t struggle with gaining weight. Like, they just ignored it as if fatphobia didn’t exist and it doesn’t matter that the actress gained weight she is still beautiful. Like yeah, she is still fucking GORGEOUS. But the hate she received by the fans shows us really clearly that society is quick to hate on our body. They could have made this an actual plot and make her struggle with acceptance and make her apologize to Hanna for what she did to her in the pass.
Yes, a HUGE missed opportunity. The body image and fat shaming only got addressed when it served the writers needs. Which is kinda disgusting tbh.
That would’ve been so good! If you haven’t read the books, Hanna’s ED is handled pretty well in those
Hanna for me was always the most relatable character. Something about her made it that way. So sad writers didn't keep that glow
so true
I love how you described Emily as discarded and ignored... then proceeded to ignore Emily 😂
lmao unintentional 😂 i did do a video essay just about giving her some attention for once, so you can watch that if you like xxx
@@SerenaSkybourne 😂😂😂 I watched the Emily video already - great content, keep ‘em coming!!
Girl you look so good in the thumbnail I can't! You popped off and I'm READY FOR THE GOOD CONTENT TO COME
thanks girl, and im so excited too!!
I completely agree with your takes on Hanna’s love interests. Her and Caleb were adorable in the first seasons and then they became kinda boring.
In general, I was very disappointed by how all the relationships were handled after the time jump. It was SO OBVIOUS that the writers wanted the original couples to be endgame, they didn’t even try to make us root for their new partners. I believe that’s why Hanna & Jordan have so few chemistry - same for Aria & Liam, and for Yvonne’s death. All the reunions felt cheap and out of place... like what was the point?
Relationships realistically become boring as time goes by, so even the newer relationships would eventually get boring.
So true, I wanted Hannah and Jordan, Yvonne and Toby were way too cute, I liked spencer and Caleb, Ali and Emily and aria and Liam
i don’t like how they changed “the angry one” from Aria to Hanna at some points Hanna seemed like the only real character effected by the dollhouse i always wonder why the other girls didn’t change their rooms. After Caleb left it’s almost like they give Hanna Arias original character and made Aria the artsy and fun one.
Funny thing is some Spaleb shippers like to use the door scene as part of why they “should be endgame”, but forget that the door scene happened after Hanna ‘turned Caleb down’. Hanna did that just so Spaleb could have a chance to work it out and was keeping that ship afloat. It still didn’t work out regardless anyway.
Caleb has been such a great guy throughout the show, that guy would never act so dishonorably, basically taking Spencer as a consolation prize. It's disgusting. At least when Spencer confessed her feelings to Caleb from her POV Hannah genuinely moved on, about to get married to her guy -- not an absolute excuse, when it's your best friend, but she did seem deeply in love so okay.
On the other hand, the writers made it look like Caleb had zero self-awareness about using Spencer as a surrogate, whilst hedging his bets with Hannah. Honestly disgusting.
@@annaeverette8960 That’s why Spaleb should have never happened. Hanna would always come first in his eyes. I can’t blame him for that since she was the first one to accept him out of the girls.
As for Caleb being with Spencer, I think he was trying to move on and he did like Spencer, so he wasn’t in the relationship just for the sake of being in one. It’s just that he’ll always love Hanna more, and that happens sometimes in relationships
Caleb and Spencer started to click in season 5 and 6 already, their characters match so well. And Hanna acted like a child, being engaged but still not over her ex and especially(!) lying to Spencer about being ok with it. I mean...
@@lillianloveee28 What’s the use in clicking and having those things Spencer and Caleb have if you come second in that person’s life? Caleb did that to Spencer, and obviously Spencer wasn’t okay with being second-best. None of those things matter if the person’s heart is with someone else and they’ll always put the other person first
I loved Hanna's character in season 1 when she was kind and was portrayed realistically on fact she was my favourite character, but as the show moved on she became more of a comedy character and a lot of the humour involved with her was so insensitive that she quickly became my least favourite liar.
I feel Hanna when she said don't mess with Caleb. because out of their relationships toby was put in it from the beginning Ezra inserted himself into the whole A thing so did paige. Caleb didn't volunteer to be in it the other girls asked A tried to take down Ezra, Toby so why would Hanna want Caleb to be involved for A to kill him or send him to jail? the girls should've never gone behind her back and got him involved it was also about safety I wouldn't want my boyfriend being tied with A or knowing about it
Yes!!! The others did everything they could to keep their partners out of A''s way, but it was like screw Hanna. Just one of the many, many times the liars blatantly disrespected Hanna.
Spencer and Caleb dating in pll was like when Rachel and joey dated in friends.
They had really good chemistry after S5
I actually shipped them. They were really good together.
i actually liked them ;-; (maybe bcos i just hated toby w/ spencer idk)
Tbh I think I’m so due a rewatch of the whole series. Totally binged all these fan theories and videos on TH-cam lately 😂🥰
Also thank you guys for saying you liked them without attacking me. Sometimes people are very mean when they have different opinions on here. I totally respect that spencer and Caleb were cute at times, I was just a big Hannah Stan 😛💕
you're saying everything i never knew i thought while watching the show, just now i feel like my opinions from when i was a pll fan make sense in my mind, i love your videos because not only are they completely on point, they also bring such a nice nostalgia for me, discussing pll again, criticizing the flaws of the show but also remembering all the nice stuff it had too
thanks so much boo xx
I am literally addicted to your analysis videos, especially the in-depth ones of PLL as it touches on so many different parts of the show. I cannot wait to see more Serena! :)
ahhh thankyou!!! youre awesome
I would love if someday you could make a video about the parents on the show, and how many problems they made so much worse by being awful. There's no one parent on this show I think is really good, except for maybe Emily's dad who is an absolute champion. Hanna's parents are terrible - Ashley often involves Hanna in her own messes, and Tom is never there for his daughter unless she does something wrong or gets into trouble, like you said. Emily's mom, Pam, is straight-up homophobic and is so awful towards her daughter, it makes my heart hurt watching so many scenes with the two of them. She handles Emily's coming out in completely the wrong way, basically insinuating that Emily's whole life is over because she's gay. Ella and Byron, Aria's parents, basically victim-blame their own daughter when they find out about her relationship with Ezra - rather than discussing the possibility that Ezra is a predator and took advantage of their daughter, they just called Aria naive and trying to be mature before she should be, accusing her of being the problem in that relationship. Spencer's parents, Peter and Veronica, are terrible also, only protecting one of their daughters when she gets in trouble and showing blatant favouritism to Melissa, oftentimes doing the same as the Montgomerys where they blame Spencer for problems she didn't even cause, such as hooking up with Wren or her drug addiction, or accusing her of things she didn't even do like when her mom found her the morning after she snuggled her tutor/sober sponsor - Dean, I think his name was. No matter how much Spencer insisted that nothing happened, Veronica was determined to believe that they'd slept together. She never believes her daughter is innocent or has the capability of making mistakes, expecting her to be perfect all the time. There's so much that could be discussed with the parents, and I think it could make for a really interesting video
I think we can all agree that all the parents (Emily’s dad is the exception) had their flaws, but honestly the show wouldn’t be as good if the parents were great. If they were good parents, most of the drama wouldn’t have happened. The liars would have been home at a decent hour, with their parents knowing where they are and who their hanging out with. They also wouldn’t have been able to keep A a secret from their parents from as long either. Also, I think Emily’s dad kind of had to be a great parent because he was hardly able to be there. But I’m glad he did what he could when he was there for Emoily. I loved that when he returned in season 2 to help Emily find Maya. That was so sweet to see
@@Mikelafication I think the Liars could have still figured out ways to do everything they did even with good parents. Imagine having a set curfew and house rules, but the Liars need to go meet up with someone after hours and need to sneak out. There could have been more situations like with Dr. Sullivan, where seeing her was obviously the right decision for them but the show made the parents look like they were in the wrong when they were obviously in the right here. Instead of Emily's parents being homophobic when she first comes out, imagine a storyline where they're trying to get to know Maya and navigating how to set boundaries for Emily's girl friends vs girlfriends. Imagine Ella and Byron being actual good parents to Aria when they found out about Ezra, being a safe space for her to go and tell them all about what he did, and then getting some proper justice for Aria and trying to help her set boundaries with other guys and teach her that being with guys her own age or even single is okay! Imagine Ashley trying to navigate having a healthy relationship with boundaries with Hanna, despite the fact that Hanna is used to being treated like a princess who can do whatever she wants! Imagine Spencer's parents supporting her through her mental health crisis and every other time she gets into trouble, going to bat for her like with Melissa! (As you can see, I have some Thoughts about this). I just think there could have been so many better ways to handle the parents than how the show did
The books make everything actually MAKE SENSE !!! And yes the show should be different from the books to keep things interesting but there's a REASON for the details in the books! Like why ANY of them became alison's friends! It's not a terrible thing to lean on the books... bc then you end up with pll 😹
Yes! So many of the plot holes that I see, i explain away with the book so i won’t lose my mind! It’s like why didn’t they rely on that more ?? It was great when they combined the book with the show in the first like 2 seasons. Once they left the source material it all went to hell😂
@@breonnajohnson7105 it could have been SO AWESOME too! Instead of Ali, they really could have made it aria like Lucy hale thought it would be, but even if they stuck to the source material more, the BEST PART about making a movie or book about this type of series is just getting to see it ACTED OUT!!!
hanna’s hair is so cute in season 1. i love the side part and then how it goes back to middle part, she has great hair.
I know Hanna is a fan favourite but it is personally difficult for me to ignore some of the things she has done and it is hard to just overlook her behaviour sometimes.
Throughout the series, her friends and family consistently give her advice and warnings about certain situations she should not involve herself in at any cost but we all know how much she listens. Whenever her plans fail (which is basically every time), she lashes out on the rest of the girls. When the girls are discussing theories about A, Hanna starts screaming at everyone and it honestly becomes hard to take her seriously because she was not the only one who was suffering (this is more applicable post time jump though). There were a lot of other cases when she was too impulsive such as touching the barrel, burying Ashley's gun, destroying Caleb's flash drive, confessing to Charlotte's murder, pressuring Sean into something he wasn't ready for and then destroying his car because of that, kidnapping Noel, deleting the security footage of Aria and Ezra in 6B which was surprising, considering they were five years older so you'd think they have matured.
I also didn't like her attitude during the entire Spaleb scenario. Yes, dating your friend's ex isn't a good move but Hanna gave them her blessing and she was engaged to someone else so what her high school ex is doing should not be that big of a deal. If you still have feelings for him, you need to speak up rather than leading on your fiance. At least Spencer respected Hanna by not starting anything with Caleb in Barcelona, whereas Hanna was unable to understand that you can't claim a person forever and he is not your property.
I was glad Spencer called her out after the barrel situation and Hanna actually apologised for it. Actually owning up to her mistakes would have made her more likeable. If it wasn't for her impulsiveness, she'd be my favourite liar.
Hanna is just strong minded, she is not forced to listen to others.... as she should, bc sometimes others tell her wrong things. Especially Alison. Its why she is not 100% listening to others, she saw what listening to other do.
And for the spaleb thing, spencer literaly slept with Caleb without even asking hanna first. It was shitty . Caleb was also on the wrong.
Hanna didnt even overeacted, she was happy for them
But i am not 100% disagree with you either
@@laurine____7543 Nobody was in the right. Hanna held Caleb's hand deliberately in front of Spencer and kissed him behind her back. As I said, if you know you still have feelings for him, you mention it earlier. Caleb was not her property.
Edit: Spencer was in Barcelona with Caleb the entire time and did not start anything as she was considerate of Hanna. She asked for Hanna's blessing. Idk what show you are talking about.
@@laurine____7543 I don't think she was ever forced - she was given a genuine piece of advice to which she never bothered listening to and in every situation, she ended up making a mistake and throwing everyone under the bus due to her impulsive decisions.
I’ve been binging your videos these past few days and your PLL deepdives have singlehandedly sent me down the rabbit hole again, so I’m so excited to hear what you have to say about Hanna (my favourite of the liars). Thanks for all the effort you’ve put into this content, I so wish you’d been on the writers team for the show!!
lysm!
im so glad someone else sees the resemblance!!! Sascha and Ashley look SO similar!!
When I was starting the Pilot I was literally getting confused between who was who and I thought they were AT LEAST sisters from those first two scenes
lmao i know right, ive explained who they are to my mum at least fifty times and every time she gets them mixed up.
@@SerenaSkybourne im so excited for your spencer video because i have SO MANY THOUGHTS about her relationship with Toby that I can't wait to share when you post on the community like you normally do before a video x
Also lets just agree that the love triangle was the stuff of nightmares
@@velvetdawson617 good grief i know, it was awful
I was hoping you would talk about how the show villainizes blonde people because I remember you responding to my comment that this might be contributing to why Hanna is painted as dumb or rude.
i was going to, but then i wasn't sure I was confident with that because a lot of characters like Shauna, Noel, Jenna etc were villainized and they have darker hair.
I honestly think Hanna regressing is realistic, especially when her toxic friend Allison returns and then later as an adult when they are blackmailed and stalked again.
of course! But character development is refreshing I think. It's not like she hit a hurdle for a few seasons and eventually overcame it- shes being still rousy and impulsive by the end of the show, and it was odd.
@@SerenaSkybourne I think it fits. Maybe because I'm older than the target audience (38). I had a blessed childhood, but adulthood has been traumatic. I had a toxic friend on and off from the age of 18 to just a few years ago when I decided to stop talking to her despite still loving her kids. I realized it when I stopped seeing her so often when my mom was diagnosed with stage 4 breast cancer & my anxiety & panic attacks were still less than when we hung out all the time. Personal growth is never linear, just like grief. Maybe one day Hanna finds peace & is able to handle life's ups & downs without regressing, but 5 years later they are just out of college & the beginning of their careers. Compared to the rest of their lives, they are still kids.
I disagree with the part about Hanna being unreasonable with Caleb after coming back from the dollhouse, I think his constant surveillance of her (needing to be with her all the time, trying to track her location, watching over her through the night) would’ve felt very reminiscent of how she felt in the dollhouse. I imagine she came back from being someone’s prisoner and the last thing she wanted was to feel like one again - so she pushed away any attempt Caleb would make to protect her.
I’ve had a few people mention this actually and I think it’s a good point. What seemed to be missing from their conversations was communication- instead they just snapped at each other sadly
@@SerenaSkybourne Yeah :/ I feel like they just didn’t have very good communication as a couple, she probably just expected him to understand how she felt and he expected her to get where he was coming from
It took me a while to realize why I "tolerated" Hanna for so long. At first I really liked her and her character traits, but then I started to see what is wrong about her. It's not necessarily that she is a bad character. It's more because of her being surrounded by very well-written characters, like her mother and Caleb. Yes, Caleb's arc in the final season was stupid, but he was overall very likable, because he was always helping the Liars with next to no questions asked. And yes, Hanna's mother also did some weird things, but I kind of understand her reasons and her motives and you can genuinely tell that she is a good person. It's a shame that such great characters are basically just attachments for Hanna (a main character), whose best trait is having said characters so close to her.
Hanna always had the most chances to be interesting but the writers never wanted to spend the time on her that she needed and it’s a shame because Ashley Bensen had moments that showed the range she has as an actress
i’d love to hear your thoughts on maya! i think she should’ve lived way longer and maybe just had a falling out with emily later in the series like in the books!
Yes maya totally deserved to be on the show much longer I hated the writers decided to do that I much preferred Emily with maya than with alison 🤔😡🤬🥶🤯
I've been low key stalking your page waiting for spencer lol. Shes always been my personal favorite and I'm so excited to see what you have to say about her
your analyses are so great! i agree and am glad you do cite specific examples because even after watching 3-4 times i have forgotten some of the stuff that’s happened too. so much has come to light after multiple rewatches and from videos like yours! thanks, this is fun.
I'm so excited about it! I love these character analyses!
They’re so much fun to film!
@@SerenaSkybourne They're also fun to watch!
Hanna went from my favorite liar to my least favorite by the end. Her relationship with Caleb was golden in the first few seasons and became so incredibly dull and toxic in the last seasons. The writers really messed it up
poor Hanna
What would you have wanted to see happen with Hanna's character? 💖
Also I'll be covering Spencer next so subscribe for that xx
@Trinity Gilreath same
Her eating disorder why didn’t she go to therapy for it? Also that her and Travis relationship
@Trinity Gilreath yes I agreee! it was like it started & then nothing
@Trinity Gilreath Especially since it seemed like they were building up the drinking, with Hanna at least, from the start
To be more healing and help the unfortunate/underdogs thanks to all her trauma, rather than become bullyish to Caleb and cold
I agree with what you said about Caleb when Hanna got out of the dollhouse but he literally put a tracker in her car and was questioning her when she went anywhere without his knowledge when she came back unharmed?
You can’t blame him for being scared for her after all of that stuff pretty much traumatized them. Besides, he did that one time and NEVER does it again, so he learned not to be that extreme
For your spencer video (so excited!) I wish they better explored her relationship with her family. It always grossed me out how they blamed Spencer for being taken advantage of by Melissa's older boyfriends and very openly favored Melissa. I wish she could've actually confronted them on this or her issues with feeling like second-best. And I have no idea how Melissa actually feels for her sister. She's incredibly cruel or vicious one moment and then suddenly suddenly protective or caring another. Sisters fighting then being friendly is normal, but possibly helping your sister's torturer is not. At that one scene with the masks on the peer or whatever, Melissa acts like Spencer suspecting her of working for A was unreasonable but considering so much of Melissa's earlier behavior, it was completely understandable why Spencer thought her own sister would try to harm her. Also, the fact that Spencer is shown to be genuinely afraid of her family at several points is pretty alarming since the other girls never really fear that their own family would actually be willing to hurt them like Spencer does. That's a huge red flag and should've been explored more. Why is this never discussed or talked about? Her instinctive fear of them is really messed up.
agreed xx
Hannah is my fav liar and I can't wait to see this video!!
She’s lovely ♥️
I love your videos so much! It feels very laidback like I’m having a conversation with a friend :) your deep dives into the pll characters are very interesting too. Glad your channel has been growing, can’t wait for more videos!
adore u! thankyou
Around 23:20 I think Hanna would have been better to focus on the business aspect of fashion: modeling & marketing. Aria was always the artsy one so it wouldn’t have made sense to see her start sketching & sewing (especially since that’s what aria did in the books but for some reason they never showed it on the show). Honestly the timejump was just so off tbh, it messed up so much 😂
I've been waiting for this 😁 Love your video essays so so much! Perfect for all of us who rewatched PLL in quarantine!
hehe im certainly one of those people
I would love these characters deep dives for Teen Wolf 😌
Omg you should do a tea party and discuss your “10 faves”! Like fave character arc, villain, wardrobe, etc 💕
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I'm so curious about your opinions on the PLL books vs the tv show, if you've read the books! They took the show in such a different direction and I remember enjoying the characters way more in the books than in the show!
Me too!!! The books have a special place in my heart. It’s an interesting show, enjoyable for sure, but definitely different from the books.
Emily was the ultimate hero in the books
i personally hated them in the books. ive read them until the book where they went on a cruise as a school trip. it became too annoying to me, ive read half of that book and stooped. did you read them all? if so whst are your opinions on characters overall in the end
@@hidansektas I think its because in the books they arent portrayed by likeable actors ( i love them all), so when you read the books sometimes all you can see is how annoying they all are😂
@@elsie1998 yeah i guess but still, the amount of times i wanted to punch them in the face in the books for being even more dumb than in the show is astounding 💀
I know Sean was only in like 10 episodes but it would have been nice to see him again later on. So many relationships from season 1 just served as filler scenes and the characters suddenly ✨vanished✨ like imagine if Sean, given his religious background worked with Pastor Ted and it would have created some cool scenes with Hanna
That comment you made about emily and ari are saying all female characters are good for is making babies and being in relationships that really blew my mind because the riders managed to give the only LGBTQ plus character a storyline where it ended up with her having children and they didn’t adopt, it was a mistake. there was so many cool avenues that they could’ve taken with emily if they wanted to go to the root of her having children they could’ve I don’t know made her adopt or made her get artificially inseminated on purpose but they had to make it some awful trauma that brought her and Alison together. even know Alison it was the most toxic person in her coming out story and the reason that it took us so long to come out. I would’ve loved for Emily to end up in some sort of other position emily was smart and she had so much potential and they just wasted it. I wish that emily ended up the coach of a really successful swim team like an Olympic swim team or something and then she became a mentor two are really talented up-and-coming swimmer and maybe she wrote a book on her experiences being an out swimmer and she could’ve written about her injury. Why did she have to end up married with kids I am so annoyed
My anticipation for this video was so worth it! I love the way you break down things and shows real examples to prove your points... I can literally watch 3 hours of your content and never get bored. Thank you and congrats on 10k 🥰🥰
youre so lovely and nice!
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i didn’t know i needed pll video essays in the year of our lord 2021 but please never stop i’m enjoying this so much... pll is such a guilty pleasure show and seeing these super long videos... so good
Congrats on 10K subs~~ theres so much to unpack with PLL from a modern lens (I watched it in High school when it aired lol) and its been fun to watch these videos
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Hannah was always a very missed opportunity to me too! I loved her in the first 4 seasons and then she just got too snippy for me, even though I did really like the LOOK of her Gothic phase. It just felt like she never reached the level of confidence i wanted her to. I LOVE your videos they are amazing and I can't thank you enough for all the work you put into them all the time it's truly amazing. I have a request for a video about the men of PLL. It would be awesome if in one video you just broke it into sections and for example did Section 1 Ezra, 2 Wren, 3 Noel, 4, Caleb, 5 Toby and so on that would be really awesome and I personally would love to see that!!!
thankyou! xx
These are so fun and well done! Thank you for making them!
Of course 💞
I love these videos! I would like to see a deep dive into other characters as well (the main love interest, family members like melissa, mona etc)
You've truely become my favorite youtuber to this time 😍 great essays/discussions/analyses/whatever!
Ahhh it's here!! I found your channel recently and i'm so glad I did.
Love u 💞
WOW 🤩❗️ you’ve really hit some major points with this one. Hanna is tied with Spencer in being my 1 favorite. GOD ITS SO FRUSTRATING that you’d say her grunge phase was awful lol. I LOVED IT!
Mainly because at that point I was certain Aria was going to be -A ( then she wasn’t 😑 ) anyway I thought it would have been brilliant Foreshadowing in a sense that Hanna’s identity crisis is a hint at all the -A’s FOR EXAMPLE: she befriends Mona who turns her into copy of Alison. Alison then returns and that’s triggering for her so she takes style expression inspiration from Aria, then slowing gets back to herself only to discover Alison & Aria where both working together as the A team.
Honestly, instead of twins, it should have been Aria and Alison’s toxic friendship and obsession with the girls and each other. Also I just felt like Hanna was more fitting as The Rebel ( dream goth girl) than Aria which is who I think the writers wanted it to be but Aria just came off as sociopath. I also hated all the “Shut up Hanna” bits; your friends should not be telling you to shut up and not speak your mind. And I also hated Aria snapping at her after the Zach thing. As a men who’s been raped at a young age and seeing the girls in and out of unethical relationships was disturbing. All in all, great video!
SIDE NOTE: to celebrate 10.k subscribers, you should watch the first SCREAM movie and do a reaction video and character analysis of Sidney and Tatum.
( In closing sorry I have to be a douche; I loved your boobs in this video your gorgeous and your humor is brilliant 🤭🥰😝)
I always had a soft spot for Hannah bc I could relate to the single mom thing, I think they used Hannah for the bitch archetype bc they realized they didn’t have that anymore with Ali when they brought her back.
Also all jokes aside, what was that dance scene? It’s like they wanted us to laugh at her 😭
Been binging your PLL videos. This show was my life in the 2010’s. A lot of fun to revisit the show with your take on it 😊
you should also do a video about mona - i found her character the most interesting out of all tbh. great video as always, sending lots of love!
good request! xx
46:06 THIS! 💯🎯
Once I don’t have to focus on the plot as much, I can focus on other little things I missed.
YESS there she isssss💕 i can’t get enough of ur pll videos, i’ve been exited alllll day for this one!! and it was sooo worth the wait❤️
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This was my first ever video of you. Back then, I hadn't finish PLL yet so I couldn't finish it because I didn't want to get spoiled. Now, I am finally back.
I love these kind of videos so much.
love this
i'd love a video about Mona. She's my favorite character