Boy I wish y'all were closer to me. I'm 57 year old just getting back into golf after a 7 year layoff due to some pesky cancer issues. Would love to have a complete fitting. Was fitted at local shop and did a good job, but no where near all the tweaking y'all do. Love the videos keep em coming
I was just fitted at PXG in Scottsdale, AZ and ended up ordering the Gen 4 0811X driver. I can't wait to get it out on the course. This will be a major change for me since for the last 18+ years, I've been using my TaylorMade 300Ti driver.
Purchased the Proto+ about 7 months ago off a phone fitting at PXG. I tended to hit it with too much of a fade. I went to the new PXG store in Dallas to get fit properly when it opened. The fitter tried to push me into the Gen 4 XF but it was no different or better than the Proto+ in my bag. I asked to try the 0211 just for shits and giggles. Well, to my amazement and pleasure, it turned out to be the driver for me much easier to hit straight and about 9 yards longer. Do NOT let the lower price on the 0211 equipment fool you, it's excellent stuff.
Your videos are Very Good. The extra information and the analytical viewpoint that you present is valuable for the thinking golfer. I've watched most of your videos more than once - there is lots of subtle information here that is worth the extra watch. Keep up the great work !!
I just fitted at PXG yesterday. They fitted me into an 0211 last month at 17* launch and 3850 spin. Carry was 235, total 250. I was 100 mph swing and 140 ball speed. I wasn’t happy with the fitting and result, so before my 30 day return was up I went back. Different location and fitter (Tyler at Glendale is awesome). He fitted me into a completely different setup, and I mean different. X-stiff shaft vs stiff in the 0211. 7.5* Gen4 head turned down to 6* compared to regular 9* in the 0211. Diamana S+ 60g shaft +1/2” vs std aldila nv green nxt 55g. End result? 12.5* launch angle, 105 mph head speed, 148.5 mph ball speed, 1950 rpm ball spin, 243yd carry, 282yd total. Smash went from 1.38 to 1.47. Amazing difference!
Thanks for sharing, really glad you decided to seek out another fitter. I would love to say that what you experienced doesn’t happen that often but it unfortunately happens more frequently then one might think as We do a fair number of retro fits every year
They fitted you with 3800rpm spin? That's terrible. I personally think 1950 spin is too low for your speed(realistically any speed from an accuracy perspective, pro's go for 2200 with 180 ball speed, pga tour average is 2600rpm, 11 launch with 160 speed). Hook and slice work like this. There is no such thing as true side spin, its vector math between the side spin and the back spin which tilts the angle of rotation. The more backspin you have, the less an equal amount of created sidespin has on effecting the axis of rotation. In your scenario, you basically doubled the tilt of your ball axis resulting in significantly more curve on poor shots. Most likey you will also add sidespin as you also reduced the driver loft resulting in even more sidespin. How is it working on the course? Are your bads, straight OB?
Tyler Gallagher? He just did my 0311 irons and I'm so happy that I'm going to try a PXG driver fitting and see if they can switch me from my EPIC Star..
I'm just curious no disrespect at all intended but why at 100-105mph swing why do you need a 6 degree driver? My next question is with the new driver you said 1950 spin my question is where was the strike location for that spin rate and if it's average what's the spin window. My last question is did both fitters use the same balls and launch monitor systems? My numbers are 170-180 ballspeed and the lowest loft I can play is 9 degrees to keep my spin in 1800-2100 window but if it's off the toe and the spin drops it's off the planet hook when the spin gets to 1500rpm. We are all different and require different fits but when I see a 100mph swing with a sub150mph ballspeed using a 6 degree head I massively question that fit unless it's a long drive setup. My fear for you is if you fix whatever swing issue is causing such high spin rates because it has to be showing up somewhere else in your game then that long drive setup will no longer work. I'm really curious about your fitting if you don't mind sharing more information.
Thanks for this brotha just ordered the Gen4 to replace my Proto mainly Cause if this video on the durability feedback and the looks of the new Gen. Awesome stuff
Great video! Awesome information. Just got a GEN 4, now trying to find the perfect shaft. This thing is hot! Dang drive it like you stole it! New subscriber!
Great video, haven’t heard of your Channel before but glad I stumbled upon it. Tons of info and great presentation of the data. I have a PXG fitting set up in a week and can’t wait to see how they can help me with my driver 👍🏼
Excellent info very insightful and detailed, I have a high ball flight with slightly lower swing speeds then on here and I have noticed that lower spin heads give me signicantly more yardage. The pxg gen 4 will defo be on my radar now
Great video , When I got fitted back in March I was hoping the Proto fit me and my swing but it didn't work out. Hopefully I can give this one a swing at some point to see if it matches up with me better. Just bought a Sim2 Max-D earlier this year though , so most likely after the season or in the off season I'll check this baby out. Keep the vids coming =)
Got a crazy deal on the closeout sale on the Proto… 199 USD. Still waiting on it to come, but it will be interesting to swing as it’s completely different than my current Cobra F9. Crazy swing changes in actual swing and speed since I got my driver at first. Going from Regular flex 12* set at 11* to Stiff Flex 9*. Hopefully it all works out for the best!
Never seen your channel. Like the review. I was just fitted and they recommended the proto driver. I was surprised that I see a lot of reviews for the 0211. THoughts on that vs gen 4?
all depends on what you want to pay . 0211 is entry level , all the rest are more expensive , look into reviews as 0211 can only adjust loft , others have moveable weights , have fun looking at new drivers , see if you can try them before buying them .
I bought the whole package, 14 club gen4 and the bag also. I have hit some balls on the range and have played 2 rounds with them, unfortunately it has been windy and I don’t have them dialed in for yardage I can say I am hitting at least 1 maybe 2 clubs farther with the irons. I am smoking the driver 280ish total although I am not consistent with a draw and I am struggling with long irons and woods off the deck . I am a 17 handicap is there any places in western nebraska that u would recommend for the fine tuning of the driver and woods, thank u for your videos very insightful Todd foster
Thanks Todd, I’m not aware of anyone in that area, in fact your question is somewhat of a timely one as we’ve been thinking about doing some videos In the near future on where to go almost kind of like help me find a ClubFitter segment.
Awesome video! Perfect explanation. I’m looking to switch to the Gen 4 from the proto. Right now, I play an X+ but I have a more downward or level AOA. I was thinking the X would help with that. I also need a higher launch then I get with the X+. I do have it set down in loft and I get about the launch where it should be but I miss right already. Would I be better off to get the 7.5° and up the loft to close the face a bit more? Thanks!
Not a bad thought but if launch is an issue I would be cautious of that, without seeing your swing it could be as easy as fixing your AOA, or making sure ball position isn’t to far back in your stance. Inside left foot, take your right hand if the grip at address and slide it down your leg to try and touch your knee. This will out your shoulders on an incline tilting away from the target to help you with launch. In regard to difference between the two Gen 4 is way more forgiving
proto has moveable weights , try putting the heavier weight in the bottom of the club to promote a draw . fiddle with what you have before you dismiss it unless you have a ton of money they who cares just keep buying drivers without trying new things . LOL have fun enjoy the clubs
I play the Gen4 XF and it’s definitely closed in the standard and PXG loft sleeve settings. I like neutral or slightly open so I adjusted the loft sleeve to the BIG Minus setting and it’s perfectly square at set up. Try that and then you have the weights to adjust launch and spin.
John another great video. Is the Gen 4 an upgrade to the 0211 ? Thinking of upgrading before the price change. Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated. Thanks
Just did a fit the other day and there was a big difference, but I will say the shaft is a big piece of the puzzle. But the good news is that you can get a custom fitted driver for typically less then someone else’s stock version.
I am 79 with an 85-90 swing speed. I jumped at the opportunity to buy a PXG Gen 4 when they were selling for $299. I opted for the Evenflow Riptide CB 50g shat. The driver come with the standard weights (1-10g and 2-2.5g) I would like to get a stronger draw bias, so I started with the 10g in the heel. I still seem to be fading the ball more often than not. Would buying PXG's weight set, and adding a heavier weight in the heel help me?
It’s not a bad idea you could go 15 gram in the heel and perhaps a 5 gram in the back to help but you will have to choke down just a bit. Why to lighten up the Swingweight if not you will just make the problem worse. Now another note you could also try flipping the adapter 180 degrees to the PXG logo as this would be the most up right setting as well. But these would be the two things I would try
Hi is it possible to put less weight into the proto x to get the swingspeed faster to match the gen 4 and do the same review? I was thinking of buying the proto with PXGs great prices right now
Very interesting that you mention the lighter head weight of the Gen4 as a factor in increasing swing speed. I have never given that aspect much thought. But I saw another test like yours (maybe TXG) that mentioned the Callaway Epic being tested was lighter than the Taylor Made Sim2 being compared with it. In that case, the Callaway went a bit further. You would think that if you could swing two clubs at the SAME speed, a slightly heavier head would produce more energy and thus more distance, based on Einstein's E=MCsquared formula. But it seems that in golf, a lighter mass swung faster does the job.
Very good observation but what I will say is that it always depend on the golfer, the good news is that no matter what it will always be one or the other. If lighter weights don’t help, then heavier will, if stiffer flexes don’t work then lighter will, if lightweight shafts don’t work then heavier so you see where I’m going right. So in the end you just can’t be afraid to experiment and test things out. Don’t hesitate to reach out should you have any additional questions
Dude, you quoted physics wrong. Einsteins e=mc^2 has nothing to do with energy transfer here. If anything, take a look at momentum transfer which is mv (mass times velocity, total will be a conservative value). Glad to hear you at least trying to use physics, but unfortunately you were wrong. Going back to this customer's swing: higher speed with lighter head potentially means same momentum at impact. The key is to see how much energy got transferred. In all likelihood, one should look at the clubhead speed which gives a better indicator on the ball speed, since the clubhead does not completely stop after hitting the ball (thus not complete momentum transfer). Hope this helps
@@willh.2155 Thanks. Had to look up momentum force so you got me to learn something. If the same clubhead can be swung faster, its momentum force will increase, which logically would lead to a longer shot. If a heavier clubhead can be swung at the same speed as a lighter one, that will also increase momentum force and thus distance. The question always is whether a given player can swing a heavier clubhead as fast as he or she swung a lighter clubhead. I assume a lot of research is done to find the ideal compromise, where a slightly lighter clubhead enables the player to swing it sufficiently faster that it does result in a gain in momentum force. I suppose they also study whether there are other ways to gain momentum force. For example, keep the clubhead at the same weight or even a bit heavier, but use a lighter (and probably stiffer) shaft that enables a given player to swing the club faster.
This seems really misleading. 4 mph * 1.4 is 5.6 mph expected increase. Exactly what you saw and not a benefit of the head. The spin difference was interesting, but I am guessing you had the heavy weight in toe on proto to "avoid the left miss." With that option gone in gen 4, did it get placed forward in head to reduce spin? According to PXG the 0811 X+ was the one designed for players who hit up on the ball. Strange it's not offered in lower lofts like the regular X - any ideas why they did that?
This one has been a while, and I can’t remember exactly where we had the weights in the Proto, but I do know it came down to strike location, and the doo offer a 7.5 lifted option, hard ti get a hold of but is one of the lowest lofted driver options on the market.
Interesting point about the Gen 4 being a draw bias driver. I just got my Gen 4 XF to compare to my Proto X+, and the thing I’m noticing is that with the Gen 4 I suddenly have a fade on my tee shots, where the Proto was straight as an arrow. This is with the default weight configuration and identical shafts and lofts. Both are excellent drivers though.
Do you have the weight in the back port, or heel. Also I have seen sometimes by swapping out the 5 gram weight for a 7.5 gram weight it can sometimes make the world of difference.
@@SwingFit thanks for mentioning this!! While I haven’t taken the weights out yet, it seems the weight with the two black dots on it is positioned nearest to the face. From what I can see on PXGs website, that’s their “max forgiveness” configuration which is represented by a fade on the weight diagram. Moving that double-black-dot weight to the heel seems like it’d straighten it back out.
@@SwingFit I've been messing around with the weights. 3 ports have the 2.5g and I've used the 12.5g or 15g in the front and back ports. When in the front its like a bullet, back a little more elevation but still a nice ball flight. My natural ball flight is a fade but with this driver its dead straight and I prefer it that way. I occasionally have a slice but not with this driver....
I think it’s a really good driver, especially when you can pick one up 300.00 like now. it is by far the best deal from a cost vs. performance standpoint. And if you add an aftermarket shaft that fits you like a glove your still cheaper then someone else’s stock driver.
@@SwingFit That what I was thinking about doing. After some swing changes my Maverick sub zero 10.5 goes way to high even with it turned down and with 6 kids any replacement is going to have to be as cost effective as possible for me lol
Did you happen to play with the weights on the gen4? I’m currently gaming it with 10 grams in the front 0 in the rear wondering if I increased the front weight to 15/17.5 and placed a 5 if available in the back would it help others ball speed??
@@SwingFit I’ve moved my 10 stock gram around front to back and there’s a huge difference in swing feel, like it forward but just didn’t know if you played with heavier weights or not.
@@nacksr in this instance we didn’t change weight size but in general I would change the weight only if I was seeing face closure issues, meaning sometimes face is closed to path and sometimes it’s open this is usually my number one red flag where I see Swingweight being a culprit , hope this helps.
Loft sleeve affects starting line more then it will spin, but it can help so going lowers on the loft sleeve might help a bit, tee height can help especially if you are striking it lower in the face, ball position may also influence strike point, and lastly GolfBall. But as you see we are limited with options in regards to driver changes.
Not a fair comparison...you took an UNOPTIMIZED Proto and pit it against an OPTIMIZED Gen4. Plus the Proto X is designed for a flat or negative AOA, this person needed the Proto X+ which is designed for a positive AOA. Before you can say that the Gen4 is a superior driver to the Proto, you need to get this person into the best Proto driver and optimize it before making that claim!
Thanks for taking the time to share but it was a custom fitted driver all be it the wrong one it is what the customer had. and the customer wanted to see how his fitted driver compared to one we fit for him. so I would say that’s pretty fair. I’m also glad you watched the video to understand that one of the many ways a fitter can help is to fine tune an individuals driver to produce a different result, perhaps you missed your calling so if your ever interested in a career change just look us up😀
Your correct that strike point plays a vital role with determining final smash, but just note that I’ve seen an absolute perfect center of face strike produce the worse smash. Explanation, face to path, lie angle and or dynamic loft will all produce a low smash with a COF strike if it is bad enough. Just think a glancing blow. Great observation
Boy I wish y'all were closer to me. I'm 57 year old just getting back into golf after a 7 year layoff due to some pesky cancer issues. Would love to have a complete fitting. Was fitted at local shop and did a good job, but no where near all the tweaking y'all do. Love the videos keep em coming
I was just fitted at PXG in Scottsdale, AZ and ended up ordering the Gen 4 0811X driver. I can't wait to get it out on the course. This will be a major change for me since for the last 18+ years, I've been using my TaylorMade 300Ti driver.
Thanks for sharing and I would say that is a big switch
Purchased the Proto+ about 7 months ago off a phone fitting at PXG. I tended to hit it with too much of a fade. I went to the new PXG store in Dallas to get fit properly when it opened. The fitter tried to push me into the Gen 4 XF but it was no different or better than the Proto+ in my bag. I asked to try the 0211 just for shits and giggles. Well, to my amazement and pleasure, it turned out to be the driver for me much easier to hit straight and about 9 yards longer. Do NOT let the lower price on the 0211 equipment fool you, it's excellent stuff.
Such a great story, and what you described is so true. You never truly know until you try. Thanks for sharing and your support.
Your videos are Very Good. The extra information and the analytical viewpoint that you present is valuable for the thinking golfer. I've watched most of your videos more than once - there is lots of subtle information here that is worth the extra watch.
Keep up the great work !!
Thank you so much for the feedback and support.
I just fitted at PXG yesterday. They fitted me into an 0211 last month at 17* launch and 3850 spin. Carry was 235, total 250. I was 100 mph swing and 140 ball speed. I wasn’t happy with the fitting and result, so before my 30 day return was up I went back. Different location and fitter (Tyler at Glendale is awesome). He fitted me into a completely different setup, and I mean different. X-stiff shaft vs stiff in the 0211. 7.5* Gen4 head turned down to 6* compared to regular 9* in the 0211. Diamana S+ 60g shaft +1/2” vs std aldila nv green nxt 55g. End result? 12.5* launch angle, 105 mph head speed, 148.5 mph ball speed, 1950 rpm ball spin, 243yd carry, 282yd total. Smash went from 1.38 to 1.47. Amazing difference!
Thanks for sharing, really glad you decided to seek out another fitter. I would love to say that what you experienced doesn’t happen that often but it unfortunately happens more frequently then one might think as We do a fair number of retro fits every year
They fitted you with 3800rpm spin? That's terrible. I personally think 1950 spin is too low for your speed(realistically any speed from an accuracy perspective, pro's go for 2200 with 180 ball speed, pga tour average is 2600rpm, 11 launch with 160 speed).
Hook and slice work like this. There is no such thing as true side spin, its vector math between the side spin and the back spin which tilts the angle of rotation. The more backspin you have, the less an equal amount of created sidespin has on effecting the axis of rotation.
In your scenario, you basically doubled the tilt of your ball axis resulting in significantly more curve on poor shots. Most likey you will also add sidespin as you also reduced the driver loft resulting in even more sidespin.
How is it working on the course? Are your bads, straight OB?
Tyler Gallagher? He just did my 0311 irons and I'm so happy that I'm going to try a PXG driver fitting and see if they can switch me from my EPIC Star..
@@AB-nv7bz sounds like he’s lying u get a jump like that no matter what because of swing speed
I'm just curious no disrespect at all intended but why at 100-105mph swing why do you need a 6 degree driver? My next question is with the new driver you said 1950 spin my question is where was the strike location for that spin rate and if it's average what's the spin window. My last question is did both fitters use the same balls and launch monitor systems? My numbers are 170-180 ballspeed and the lowest loft I can play is 9 degrees to keep my spin in 1800-2100 window but if it's off the toe and the spin drops it's off the planet hook when the spin gets to 1500rpm. We are all different and require different fits but when I see a 100mph swing with a sub150mph ballspeed using a 6 degree head I massively question that fit unless it's a long drive setup. My fear for you is if you fix whatever swing issue is causing such high spin rates because it has to be showing up somewhere else in your game then that long drive setup will no longer work. I'm really curious about your fitting if you don't mind sharing more information.
Thanks for this brotha just ordered the Gen4 to replace my Proto mainly
Cause if this video on the durability feedback and the looks of the new Gen. Awesome stuff
Thank you for input vs output. I just bought a proto a month ago, and was thinking i made as mistake.
I love this type of content . I appreciate you sharing it with guys like myself .
Great video! Awesome information. Just got a GEN 4, now trying to find the perfect shaft. This thing is hot! Dang drive it like you stole it! New subscriber!
Thanks for sharing and the support
Nice intro. Cool to see the changes starting and can't wait to see the final product.
Thanks that makes two of us
Great video, haven’t heard of your Channel before but glad I stumbled upon it. Tons of info and great presentation of the data. I have a PXG fitting set up in a week and can’t wait to see how they can help me with my driver 👍🏼
Don’t hesitate to reach out should you have any questions
Excellent info very insightful and detailed, I have a high ball flight with slightly lower swing speeds then on here and I have noticed that lower spin heads give me signicantly more yardage. The pxg gen 4 will defo be on my radar now
XF version for sure should be on your short list
Great video , When I got fitted back in March I was hoping the Proto fit me and my swing but it didn't work out. Hopefully I can give this one a swing at some point to see if it matches up with me better. Just bought a Sim2 Max-D earlier this year though , so most likely after the season or in the off season I'll check this baby out. Keep the vids coming =)
Got a crazy deal on the closeout sale on the Proto… 199 USD. Still waiting on it to come, but it will be interesting to swing as it’s completely different than my current Cobra F9. Crazy swing changes in actual swing and speed since I got my driver at first. Going from Regular flex 12* set at 11* to Stiff Flex 9*. Hopefully it all works out for the best!
Move the weights around in fact I would even recommend picking up the weight kit as that is when you can dial that bad boy in
@@SwingFit can I pick that up in PXG’s site or elsewhere?
@@poseikipproductions3547 yeppers browse to their website and I believe it is under accessories
@@SwingFit awesome, thanks dude! Hoping it gets here before practice next Tuesday :)
Yeah I think I need to upgrade my driver to Gen 4 PXG 0811
It’s worth a shot and the price is kind of hard to beat now.
I sure wanted the 4 weights on the bottom to enable better fitting.
I think they were on to something, but just didn’t realize it to make it perfect
⛳️ Great Stuff!!!
Never seen your channel. Like the review. I was just fitted and they recommended the proto driver. I was surprised that I see a lot of reviews for the 0211. THoughts on that vs gen 4?
Gen4 all day long especially now that they have dropped the price…
all depends on what you want to pay . 0211 is entry level , all the rest are more expensive , look into reviews as 0211 can only adjust loft , others have moveable weights , have fun looking at new drivers , see if you can try them before buying them .
I bought the whole package, 14 club gen4 and the bag also.
I have hit some balls on the range and have played 2 rounds with them, unfortunately it has been windy and I don’t have them dialed in for yardage I can say I am hitting at least 1 maybe 2 clubs farther with the irons.
I am smoking the driver 280ish total although I am not consistent with a draw and I am struggling with long irons and woods off the deck .
I am a 17 handicap is there any places in western nebraska that u would recommend for the fine tuning of the driver and woods, thank u for your videos very insightful
Todd foster
Thanks Todd, I’m not aware of anyone in that area, in fact your question is somewhat of a timely one as we’ve been thinking about doing some videos In the near future on where to go almost kind of like help me find a ClubFitter segment.
How’s the gen 4 compare to the 0211 driver? I have heard great things about the 0211 as well. Thanks for the feedback!
We don’t have that one in our matrix so not sure, but if welcome across one I will 100% test it out.
Awesome video! Perfect explanation. I’m looking to switch to the Gen 4 from the proto. Right now, I play an X+ but I have a more downward or level AOA. I was thinking the X would help with that. I also need a higher launch then I get with the X+. I do have it set down in loft and I get about the launch where it should be but I miss right already. Would I be better off to get the 7.5° and up the loft to close the face a bit more?
Thanks!
Not a bad thought but if launch is an issue I would be cautious of that, without seeing your swing it could be as easy as fixing your AOA, or making sure ball position isn’t to far back in your stance. Inside left foot, take your right hand if the grip at address and slide it down your leg to try and touch your knee. This will out your shoulders on an incline tilting away from the target to help you with launch. In regard to difference between the two Gen 4 is way more forgiving
proto has moveable weights , try putting the heavier weight in the bottom of the club to promote a draw . fiddle with what you have before you dismiss it unless you have a ton of money they who cares just keep buying drivers without trying new things . LOL have fun enjoy the clubs
I have an XF. Seems like the face sets up closed a touch. The feel is solid but not sure it’s better than my Sim.
Would be an interesting test, just might have to tee that one up
I play the Gen4 XF and it’s definitely closed in the standard and PXG loft sleeve settings. I like neutral or slightly open so I adjusted the loft sleeve to the BIG Minus setting and it’s perfectly square at set up. Try that and then you have the weights to adjust launch and spin.
John another great video. Is the Gen 4 an upgrade to the 0211 ? Thinking of upgrading before the price change. Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated. Thanks
Yes I would see a benefit with taking a look at it especially at its current price point.
@@SwingFit thanks for your thoughts, they are appreciated
I currently have GEN 1 driver. Will GEN 4 be that much better? Thank you
Just did a fit the other day and there was a big difference, but I will say the shaft is a big piece of the puzzle. But the good news is that you can get a custom fitted driver for typically less then someone else’s stock version.
I am 79 with an 85-90 swing speed. I jumped at the opportunity to buy a PXG Gen 4 when they were selling for $299. I opted for the Evenflow Riptide CB 50g shat. The driver come with the standard weights (1-10g and 2-2.5g) I would like to get a stronger draw bias, so I started with the 10g in the heel. I still seem to be fading the ball more often than not. Would buying PXG's weight set, and adding a heavier weight in the heel help me?
It’s not a bad idea you could go 15 gram in the heel and perhaps a 5 gram in the back to help but you will have to choke down just a bit. Why to lighten up the Swingweight if not you will just make the problem worse. Now another note you could also try flipping the adapter 180 degrees to the PXG logo as this would be the most up right setting as well. But these would be the two things I would try
Hi is it possible to put less weight into the proto x to get the swingspeed faster to match the gen 4 and do the same review? I was thinking of buying the proto with PXGs great prices right now
That’s not a bad idea, build a supper light driver to see if how much speed can we pick up or would it possibly cause the opposite, great suggestion.
Very interesting that you mention the lighter head weight of the Gen4 as a factor in increasing swing speed. I have never given that aspect much thought. But I saw another test like yours (maybe TXG) that mentioned the Callaway Epic being tested was lighter than the Taylor Made Sim2 being compared with it. In that case, the Callaway went a bit further. You would think that if you could swing two clubs at the SAME speed, a slightly heavier head would produce more energy and thus more distance, based on Einstein's E=MCsquared formula. But it seems that in golf, a lighter mass swung faster does the job.
Very good observation but what I will say is that it always depend on the golfer, the good news is that no matter what it will always be one or the other. If lighter weights don’t help, then heavier will, if stiffer flexes don’t work then lighter will, if lightweight shafts don’t work then heavier so you see where I’m going right. So in the end you just can’t be afraid to experiment and test things out. Don’t hesitate to reach out should you have any additional questions
Dude, you quoted physics wrong. Einsteins e=mc^2 has nothing to do with energy transfer here. If anything, take a look at momentum transfer which is mv (mass times velocity, total will be a conservative value). Glad to hear you at least trying to use physics, but unfortunately you were wrong. Going back to this customer's swing: higher speed with lighter head potentially means same momentum at impact. The key is to see how much energy got transferred. In all likelihood, one should look at the clubhead speed which gives a better indicator on the ball speed, since the clubhead does not completely stop after hitting the ball (thus not complete momentum transfer). Hope this helps
@@willh.2155 Thanks. Had to look up momentum force so you got me to learn something. If the same clubhead can be swung faster, its momentum force will increase, which logically would lead to a longer shot. If a heavier clubhead can be swung at the same speed as a lighter one, that will also increase momentum force and thus distance. The question always is whether a given player can swing a heavier clubhead as fast as he or she swung a lighter clubhead. I assume a lot of research is done to find the ideal compromise, where a slightly lighter clubhead enables the player to swing it sufficiently faster that it does result in a gain in momentum force. I suppose they also study whether there are other ways to gain momentum force. For example, keep the clubhead at the same weight or even a bit heavier, but use a lighter (and probably stiffer) shaft that enables a given player to swing the club faster.
This seems really misleading. 4 mph * 1.4 is 5.6 mph expected increase. Exactly what you saw and not a benefit of the head. The spin difference was interesting, but I am guessing you had the heavy weight in toe on proto to "avoid the left miss." With that option gone in gen 4, did it get placed forward in head to reduce spin?
According to PXG the 0811 X+ was the one designed for players who hit up on the ball. Strange it's not offered in lower lofts like the regular X - any ideas why they did that?
This one has been a while, and I can’t remember exactly where we had the weights in the Proto, but I do know it came down to strike location, and the doo offer a 7.5 lifted option, hard ti get a hold of but is one of the lowest lofted driver options on the market.
Interesting point about the Gen 4 being a draw bias driver. I just got my Gen 4 XF to compare to my Proto X+, and the thing I’m noticing is that with the Gen 4 I suddenly have a fade on my tee shots, where the Proto was straight as an arrow. This is with the default weight configuration and identical shafts and lofts. Both are excellent drivers though.
I just got the Proto X+ a few months ago and agree it is straight as an arrow....
Do you have the weight in the back port, or heel. Also I have seen sometimes by swapping out the 5 gram weight for a 7.5 gram weight it can sometimes make the world of difference.
@@SwingFit thanks for mentioning this!! While I haven’t taken the weights out yet, it seems the weight with the two black dots on it is positioned nearest to the face. From what I can see on PXGs website, that’s their “max forgiveness” configuration which is represented by a fade on the weight diagram. Moving that double-black-dot weight to the heel seems like it’d straighten it back out.
@@SwingFit I've been messing around with the weights. 3 ports have the 2.5g and I've used the 12.5g or 15g in the front and back ports. When in the front its like a bullet, back a little more elevation but still a nice ball flight. My natural ball flight is a fade but with this driver its dead straight and I prefer it that way. I occasionally have a slice but not with this driver....
@@uberamd is your xf going further than the proto did?
What are your thoughts on the 0811 XT?
I think it’s a really good driver, especially when you can pick one up 300.00 like now. it is by far the best deal from a cost vs. performance standpoint. And if you add an aftermarket shaft that fits you like a glove your still cheaper then someone else’s stock driver.
@@SwingFit That what I was thinking about doing. After some swing changes my Maverick sub zero 10.5 goes way to high even with it turned down and with 6 kids any replacement is going to have to be as cost effective as possible for me lol
@@SwingFit thoughts on the XF?
Did you happen to play with the weights on the gen4? I’m currently gaming it with 10 grams in the front 0 in the rear wondering if I increased the front weight to 15/17.5 and placed a 5 if available in the back would it help others ball speed??
We moved the 5 gram around I. The head and it without question affected launch conditions. But we didn’t play with size.though
@@SwingFit I’ve moved my 10 stock gram around front to back and there’s a huge difference in swing feel, like it forward but just didn’t know if you played with heavier weights or not.
@@nacksr in this instance we didn’t change weight size but in general I would change the weight only if I was seeing face closure issues, meaning sometimes face is closed to path and sometimes it’s open this is usually my number one red flag where I see Swingweight being a culprit , hope this helps.
Great informative video!! Any way to reduce the spin rate of a Callaway Epic Speed Drive?
Loft sleeve affects starting line more then it will spin, but it can help so going lowers on the loft sleeve might help a bit, tee height can help especially if you are striking it lower in the face, ball position may also influence strike point, and lastly GolfBall. But as you see we are limited with options in regards to driver changes.
@@SwingFit Thanks 🙏…. Very much appreciated!!
Not a fair comparison...you took an UNOPTIMIZED Proto and pit it against an OPTIMIZED Gen4. Plus the Proto X is designed for a flat or negative AOA, this person needed the Proto X+ which is designed for a positive AOA. Before you can say that the Gen4 is a superior driver to the Proto, you need to get this person into the best Proto driver and optimize it before making that claim!
Thanks for taking the time to share but it was a custom fitted driver all be it the wrong one it is what the customer had. and the customer wanted to see how his fitted driver compared to one we fit for him. so I would say that’s pretty fair. I’m also glad you watched the video to understand that one of the many ways a fitter can help is to fine tune an individuals driver to produce a different result, perhaps you missed your calling so if your ever interested in a career change just look us up😀
Strike location must be way off for such low smash factor.
Your correct that strike point plays a vital role with determining final smash, but just note that I’ve seen an absolute perfect center of face strike produce the worse smash. Explanation, face to path, lie angle and or dynamic loft will all produce a low smash with a COF strike if it is bad enough. Just think a glancing blow. Great observation
Good head is always better. Just saying 😂😂
In more ways then none, for sure.🤣🤣🤣
How about this, if you're struggling with a hook or draw, take some lessons and fix your crappy swing. Just a thought.
Great thought the gear can only do so much.