Another G R E A T video that helps put this key variable into proper perspective. This should be a "must watch" for all those guys that want to boast about their driver and why it does or does not produce the best ball result (the latter usually with some muttered swears after it lands on the first fairway). Love your continued use of the anonymous customer with comparison results to help understand what is going on. Keep up the helpful videos!!
Got fitted the other day. Swing speed is around 106 and I was putting 28-3000 rpm with my current driver (m5 Tour). It was set at 10 degrees, and I swing up about 3 degrees, with a launch of 15. Ended up getting fitted with a 7.5 degree PXG 811X with a Ventus 6 S shaft. Ball speed went up 6-7 mph, spin was 2100 and launch was 12-13. added 20 yards..with a 5 yard fade :D
Such a great result, thanks for sharing if you don’t mind where did you go and do you recall the clubfitters name? Definitely thinking about doing a video where we showcase great fitters around the world so people can stack the deck in their favor…
Glad I found your channel John. You cover in more detail than any other clubfitting channel out there. Your concise explanation of launch numbers and their direct impact on ball flight should be required viewing for all golfers. Great job!
Welcome back John, it's always good to see one of your vids👍 These days there are so many options available with different heads, lofts, loft sleeve settings, head weight settings and shaft options, just about any Golfer can get fitted into an optimised Driver setup. As long as they get fitted out by someone like you who knows what they are doing👍 In the past, I always played a 10.5deg driver, but in my current Driver (PXG Gen2 XF), I have a 9deg head + 1 notch on the loft sleeve, which gives me the best launch & spin. So the answer is, "Go get Fit by an expert"👍
Another fab and informative video. Totally agree with your analysis. My driver swing speed is 95mph and gave been playing with a (fitted) 9 degree head but I felt it was not optimal. I was recently fitted for a SIM2 10.5 head and it’s given me a minimum of 20 yards extra carry. Brilliant stuff.
Great job explaining the loft and spin characteristics, and how they go hand in hand or kind of work off each other. Had a similar situation when I got fitted. I was playing a 10.5 degree Big Bertha from 6 years ago. When I got fitted for a new driver I was put into a 9 degree with a heavier shaft (I'm swinging driver about 97-101 mph). I was shocked to learn that I would benefit more from less loft being that I'm probably the slowest swing speed of the group of guys that I play with regularly. Anyway, Keep up the great work , and keep the videos coming =)
Excellent insight. I got fitted into TSi2 9 degree A1 with Tensei blue 55S and was hitting 5 up and launching nicely. But outdoors I’ve been struggling with low launch so I’ve tweaked it up to 10.5 neutral and it’s flying a lot better now. It’s my first adjustable driver and I like that option.
Yes without question the ball can change the results a little but I would look at that as more of a salt and pepper solution to make it taste/perform a little better.
Angle of attack will have a big influence on the proper loft as well. You could have that same 95 mph ss with a +5+ degree AOA and the 8* loft would probably be better. You could also have that same 107 mph ss with a neg AOA and thus a 12* loft would be better. I believe that Dustin Johnson has used a 10-12* driver and his ss is pretty high.
So spot on my man in fact I recently fitted a HS golfer into a G425 MAx 12 degree driver with an average CH speed of 112. Why. Because his AOA was -2. Thanks for sharing.
It’s a great questions and it will always come down to the quality of strike of the averages, as well as the cg location. But in this situation and if my memory serves me well In Which sometimes it does not😂 aoa was likely the culprit.
MAY be little too simplistic since the match of loft AND shaft may be contributing. The lower/higher lofts may work better with a different shaft.. But you already know that.
Great video John!! Very ilustrative. A couple of questions. Regarding the second example (107/109mph SS), the fact that roll with 9º loft is longer than 8º loft even though launch angle and spin are higher and pressumably landing angle as well, is that only attributable to ball speed? Given the overall numbers with that head and shaft, would you say that combo is the right fit for this player? To me ball speeds (even the loft optimal one) are quite low based on player SS
So cool to see you guys paying attention to the details without question this was by far not an optimum fitting session, but rather a simple test to see what the effect would be for a fast speed player and a slower swing player once we changed the loft…but definitely thanks for the feedback and support.
Hi John, what is the difference between going with low stock loft driver compared to lowering the loft from the tsi sleeve such as going down 1 degree from a 10 compared to a stock 9?
So I typically like to focus on static loft 1st and foremost, and will increase or cede ease to control spin, and in regards to the sleeves some are better than others, so just know single axis sleeves are somewhat of a pain as you can never adjust loft or lie independently, but a sleeve with spinning cog, there you can add loft without impacting lie or you can affect lie, and not loft, or you can adjust and affect both, for these reason I use the sleeve as one of the last steps to fine tune the fit. I will never lead with the sleeve. Hope that helps.
At the beginning of the video you talked about loft sleeves and what happens when you adjust them as opposed to picking a different stated loft. But then you didn't really get into that. I understand that lofting up my club will close the face slightly. This is probably a good thing for me as I tend to fade a little. But otherwise, is there any advantage to having a 10.5 degree driver vs lofting up a 9.5? Also I'd like to know how accurate the stamped lofts are on drivers. I feel I should be hitting a 10 degree (swing speed around 95mph) but I seem to go longer leaving my 9.5 Taylormade at Std Loft vs lofting up to 10.25.
So generally I use the loft sleeve to correct ball curvature and go up in lift to close the face, go down in loft to open up the face. So makes complete sense that at 9.5 it goes a little farther as the face is not impacted by the sleeve. Now to make the determination on whether or not if it’s the correct loft for your speed and delivery, you need to answer these two questions. 1. Are you happy with the height of your tee shots meaning not to low? 2. Do you occasionally get any hard snappers,, meaning aggressive curve balls whether right or left? If yes and no then you are ok. But if no and yes then you likely need more static loft not adjusted loft through the sleeve. Hope this helps. Oh before I forget stamped loft is really close and on newer drivers damn near spot on…
Playing a 7.5 Radspeed with 6.5 project X Hulk shaft and can still balloon the ball, not sure about the degrees I am hitting up but play off inner left heel. My swing speed is 115-130 depending upon if I am fairway finding or booming it.
Faster swingspeeds for sure can be a little challenging and cg characteristics and shaft selection can sometimes be the world of difference. At you speed would even consider tipping the shaft an inch to also help. Thanks for sharing
Well this depends on you Angle of attack but in general 2600-2900 is an acceptable range. And I would most likely be looking at either a 11 or 12. And perhaps something a little lighter in weight to help you reclaim so lost speed...
@@rongriffin9771 at 5 up, I would just want to verify smash or efficiency to make sure your getting good energy transfer. Needs to be 1.43 or better. If so loft is good if not then going down in loft could help. As well as a lighter weight design such as the Xxio, or Mizuno STx driver.
I play a Cobra 10.5deg head with sleeve set to +1.5. A 10 shot average: Swing 86mph launch 14.4 apex 62ft spin 2560 smash 1.46 My Swing Caddie does not measure AOA but it's generally -ve and I working on my stance to make it +ve. Question. Would a 12deg head set at Std be better and or give the same results.
Those are really good numbers, and in this situation adding loft via loft sleeve is a good thing especially if you struggle with the right side miss. So not sure I would recommend going with a stock 12. In this situation and as crazy as it may sound going with either a different GolfBall and or possibly switching out to a lighter weight shaft could possibly help..
@@SwingFit Thanks for reply. That was with a Helium 5F3 Reg using decent Callaway range balls on a range. I have moved on to experimenting with different balls generally preferring soft feel but I guess an indoor ball fitting scenario would be best.
Without question AOA plays a vital role and d pending on someone’s AOA I may select a specific loft. Those that hit up on the ball need less loft and those that hit down usually benefit with more loft.
This is so very true in fact I might even go as far to say that maybe only 1 out of 5 drivers produced will be at the exact loft now it may only be off by a 1/4 in most cases but I haven’t seen any more than that. But this would be why fine tuning the loft sleeve at the end is so important. Thanks for sharing.
![🎤 จับฉลากร้องเพลง x P’ #XXSIVK [EP.1] (2/2) เพื่อนจับได้คำไหน..ต้องร้องคำนั้น เริ่ม! 💓🎶 #MXFRUIT](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/1bJvMJXmeS4/mqdefault.jpg)
Another G R E A T video that helps put this key variable into proper perspective.
This should be a "must watch" for all those guys that want to boast about their driver and why it does or does not produce the best ball result (the latter usually with some muttered swears after it lands on the first fairway).
Love your continued use of the anonymous customer with comparison results to help understand what is going on.
Keep up the helpful videos!!
Thanks again for your support and kind words my man.
Got fitted the other day. Swing speed is around 106 and I was putting 28-3000 rpm with my current driver (m5 Tour). It was set at 10 degrees, and I swing up about 3 degrees, with a launch of 15. Ended up getting fitted with a 7.5 degree PXG 811X with a Ventus 6 S shaft. Ball speed went up 6-7 mph, spin was 2100 and launch was 12-13. added 20 yards..with a 5 yard fade :D
Such a great result, thanks for sharing if you don’t mind where did you go and do you recall the clubfitters name? Definitely thinking about doing a video where we showcase great fitters around the world so people can stack the deck in their favor…
What a turnaround. Well done.
Thanks for the support
Got fit yesterday for a driver at Fleix Clubworks and he was amazing. I needed to loft up but go with the 425 lst head. Can't recommend him enough.
That’s awesome where is the located as I will surely share this with other customers, and do you remember his name?
Glad I found your channel John. You cover in more detail than any other clubfitting channel out there. Your concise explanation of launch numbers and their direct impact on ball flight should be required viewing for all golfers. Great job!
Definitely appreciate the kind words and feedback.
These 12min videos are so packed with concise and easy to understand information. Love this channel ....
Welcome back John, it's always good to see one of your vids👍
These days there are so many options available with different heads, lofts, loft sleeve settings, head weight settings and shaft options, just about any Golfer can get fitted into an optimised Driver setup. As long as they get fitted out by someone like you who knows what they are doing👍
In the past, I always played a 10.5deg driver, but in my current Driver (PXG Gen2 XF), I have a 9deg head + 1 notch on the loft sleeve, which gives me the best launch & spin.
So the answer is, "Go get Fit by an expert"👍
The PXG drivers are for sure a good option and that setup is a killer combo. Thanks for sharing my man
@@SwingFit it certainly works for me👍
Another fab and informative video. Totally agree with your analysis. My driver swing speed is 95mph and gave been playing with a (fitted) 9 degree head but I felt it was not optimal. I was recently fitted for a SIM2 10.5 head and it’s given me a minimum of 20 yards extra carry. Brilliant stuff.
Great job explaining the loft and spin characteristics, and how they go hand in hand or kind of work off each other. Had a similar situation when I got fitted. I was playing a 10.5 degree Big Bertha from 6 years ago. When I got fitted for a new driver I was put into a 9 degree with a heavier shaft (I'm swinging driver about 97-101 mph). I was shocked to learn that I would benefit more from less loft being that I'm probably the slowest swing speed of the group of guys that I play with regularly. Anyway, Keep up the great work , and keep the videos coming =)
Thanks for sharing, we see these type of results all the time and I gave up on trying to predict the outcomes when you fit you just never know.
Excellent insight. I got fitted into TSi2 9 degree A1 with Tensei blue 55S and was hitting 5 up and launching nicely. But outdoors I’ve been struggling with low launch so I’ve tweaked it up to 10.5 neutral and it’s flying a lot better now. It’s my first adjustable driver and I like that option.
Thanks for sharing, those drivers have been doing really well for us lately
Really interesting stuff.
Great video! Love the data analysis
Nice Channel keep up guys⛳️👌
Great info! Love it!
What ball was used in your test? Would a different ball produce different results? I very much enjoy the information that you share!
Yes without question the ball can change the results a little but I would look at that as more of a salt and pepper solution to make it taste/perform a little better.
Angle of attack will have a big influence on the proper loft as well. You could have that same 95 mph ss with a +5+ degree AOA and the 8* loft would probably be better. You could also have that same 107 mph ss with a neg AOA and thus a 12* loft would be better. I believe that Dustin Johnson has used a 10-12* driver and his ss is pretty high.
So spot on my man in fact I recently fitted a HS golfer into a G425 MAx 12 degree driver with an average CH speed of 112. Why. Because his AOA was -2. Thanks for sharing.
Great content!
How come ball speed isn’t the highest of the four with the lowest loft? (Less of a glancing blow)
It’s a great questions and it will always come down to the quality of strike of the averages, as well as the cg location. But in this situation and if my memory serves me well In Which sometimes it does not😂 aoa was likely the culprit.
MAY be little too simplistic since the match of loft AND shaft may be contributing.
The lower/higher lofts may work better with a different shaft..
But you already know that.
100%, and let’s not forget delivery will ultimately steer me in one direction or the other in regards to adding or taking loft off.
Great video John!! Very ilustrative. A couple of questions. Regarding the second example (107/109mph SS), the fact that roll with 9º loft is longer than 8º loft even though launch angle and spin are higher and pressumably landing angle as well, is that only attributable to ball speed?
Given the overall numbers with that head and shaft, would you say that combo is the right fit for this player? To me ball speeds (even the loft optimal one) are quite low based on player SS
So cool to see you guys paying attention to the details without question this was by far not an optimum fitting session, but rather a simple test to see what the effect would be for a fast speed player and a slower swing player once we changed the loft…but definitely thanks for the feedback and support.
Hi John, what is the difference between going with low stock loft driver compared to lowering the loft from the tsi sleeve such as going down 1 degree from a 10 compared to a stock 9?
So I typically like to focus on static loft 1st and foremost, and will increase or cede ease to control spin, and in regards to the sleeves some are better than others, so just know single axis sleeves are somewhat of a pain as you can never adjust loft or lie independently, but a sleeve with spinning cog, there you can add loft without impacting lie or you can affect lie, and not loft, or you can adjust and affect both, for these reason I use the sleeve as one of the last steps to fine tune the fit. I will never lead with the sleeve. Hope that helps.
At the beginning of the video you talked about loft sleeves and what happens when you adjust them as opposed to picking a different stated loft. But then you didn't really get into that. I understand that lofting up my club will close the face slightly. This is probably a good thing for me as I tend to fade a little. But otherwise, is there any advantage to having a 10.5 degree driver vs lofting up a 9.5? Also I'd like to know how accurate the stamped lofts are on drivers. I feel I should be hitting a 10 degree (swing speed around 95mph) but I seem to go longer leaving my 9.5 Taylormade at Std Loft vs lofting up to 10.25.
So generally I use the loft sleeve to correct ball curvature and go up in lift to close the face, go down in loft to open up the face. So makes complete sense that at 9.5 it goes a little farther as the face is not impacted by the sleeve. Now to make the determination on whether or not if it’s the correct loft for your speed and delivery, you need to answer these two questions. 1. Are you happy with the height of your tee shots meaning not to low? 2. Do you occasionally get any hard snappers,, meaning aggressive curve balls whether right or left? If yes and no then you are ok. But if no and yes then you likely need more static loft not adjusted loft through the sleeve. Hope this helps. Oh before I forget stamped loft is really close and on newer drivers damn near spot on…
Playing a 7.5 Radspeed with 6.5 project X Hulk shaft and can still balloon the ball, not sure about the degrees I am hitting up but play off inner left heel. My swing speed is 115-130 depending upon if I am fairway finding or booming it.
Faster swingspeeds for sure can be a little challenging and cg characteristics and shaft selection can sometimes be the world of difference. At you speed would even consider tipping the shaft an inch to also help. Thanks for sharing
I’m 73 years old and have a 80 mph driver swing speed. What is your recommended backspin range?
Well this depends on you Angle of attack but in general 2600-2900 is an acceptable range. And I would most likely be looking at either a 11 or 12. And perhaps something a little lighter in weight to help you reclaim so lost speed...
@@SwingFit Thanks. On average I swing up on the ball about 5 degrees. I’m using a 12* driver.
@@rongriffin9771 at 5 up, I would just want to verify smash or efficiency to make sure your getting good energy transfer. Needs to be 1.43 or better. If so loft is good if not then going down in loft could help. As well as a lighter weight design such as the Xxio, or Mizuno STx driver.
I play a Cobra 10.5deg head with sleeve set to +1.5. A 10 shot average:
Swing 86mph
launch 14.4
apex 62ft
spin 2560
smash 1.46
My Swing Caddie does not measure AOA but it's generally -ve and I working on my stance to make it +ve.
Question.
Would a 12deg head set at Std be better and or give the same results.
Those are really good numbers, and in this situation adding loft via loft sleeve is a good thing especially if you struggle with the right side miss. So not sure I would recommend going with a stock 12. In this situation and as crazy as it may sound going with either a different GolfBall and or possibly switching out to a lighter weight shaft could possibly help..
@@SwingFit Thanks for reply. That was with a Helium 5F3 Reg using decent Callaway range balls on a range. I have moved on to experimenting with different balls generally preferring soft feel but I guess an indoor ball fitting scenario would be best.
Good info. If put handcuffs on this guy he probably couldn't talk until you set him free!
LMAO, but it is so true, you should come get fit I’m bouncing all over the walls.😀
Angle of attack ?
Without question AOA plays a vital role and d pending on someone’s AOA I may select a specific loft. Those that hit up on the ball need less loft and those that hit down usually benefit with more loft.
Just because it says it’s 10 1/2° doesn’t mean that it is 10 1/2°
This is so very true in fact I might even go as far to say that maybe only 1 out of 5 drivers produced will be at the exact loft now it may only be off by a 1/4 in most cases but I haven’t seen any more than that. But this would be why fine tuning the loft sleeve at the end is so important. Thanks for sharing.
Cut to the chase,.