Got fit by John a few weeks ago and was really surprised that I got fit into T200's with Accra 80i R shafts. I'm not a senior nor have a slow swing speed, but it just shows that everyone's swing is unique and having a great fitter to help you get the most out of your clubs is totally worth it. I'm stoked with the potential of the new clubs and the black graphite shafts look awesome!
I should add - conceptually I understand what is happening. As a newbie I own a set of 30 yo (roughly) Tommy Armour golf clubs. The small-sized Driver, other Woods and irons are steel. Although I'm learning SW->7I and can hit them well, i was shocked to pick up a 2020 Cobra SpeedZone Xtreme Driver - all graphite. Wow. Just WOW. Size of the head, forgiveness and, most importantly, the weight of the club simply allowed me to hit much better. The quite stark difference was there to see and feel. Sure, not may others have such a grand canyon gap of clubs like myself, but it goes to show that even in such circumstances as you described with your customer - given time and knowledge you can get an increase and preferred outcome on anything. Excellent job.
The one thing I want to key in on in your statement is the time, a good fitting does take time and it’s one that should look at all of the variables not just a couple. Thank you again for sharing.
Spot on this is exactly what happen to me. I swing at 90 MPH always fitted with regular and would always ballon it. Went to stiff now more carry for sure
John, Thanks for the video, really enjoyed it. I am in the process of switching from steel to graphite in my irons. I am 72 years old and have a 7-8 handicap. Currently I am playing the Mizuno JPX 850 with KBS C-Taper lite shafts (105 g) hard stepped R-flex fitted by Mizuno. I was fitted for new irons in Jan 2020: Calloway Apex 19 with KBS Tour Graphite 70g R-flex shafts but didn't buy them as Covid took hold. I am looking into graphite shafts again. My latest fitting numbers were: 1) Mizuno JPX 850 6 iron (loft=28) - Club Speed=72.9, Ball Speed=99.1, Smash=1.36, Launch=18.0, Spin=4752, Landing Angle=38.3, Cary Dist=134.6, Total Dist=148.6, Attack Angle=-1.6, Dyn Loft= 22.7; 2) Apex 19 6 iron (loft=27) - Club Speed=71.9, Ball Speed=102, Smash=1.42, Launch=19.5, Spin=4696, Landing Angle=41.7, Cary Dist=142, Total Dist=154, Attack Angle=-1.0, Dyn Loft= 24.1. Trackman data showed approx. 10 yards less dispersion (both sides) in the Apex 19 w/ graphite. My basic question is do you feel that I would get similar results by putting the graphite shafts in my Mizuno 850 heads. The cost difference is about $1500.
Thanks for sharing, unfortunately I don’t think your going to see the ball speed and distance gains let alone the higher launch and apex windows in the jpx. So I would say at your age this would be without question a huge benefit as your practically getting xtra yards for same level of input your clubhead speed that is. That’s a great combination and a really good result I would be happy….
I love your Videos and all the others you support I watch. I am in the middle of 2 fittings, one had me at Mizuno Hot metal Pro with nippon 950 stiff shafts to get my ball up in the air. The only thing that made me hesitate is that my dispersion wasn't very straight. I then called PXG and he fit me to the 0311 XF irons with the regular Elevate shafts which has me much straighter! I haven't pulled the trigger yet and I am seeing him one more time...The iron heads are a little smaller than my old King snake heads is my only confidence issue. Your Videos are the best I would love to get fitted some day at your place!
Thanks for the feedback and support, consistently is the name of the game for sure so go with the option that turned your bad shots to not better shots and good shots into great ones and you can’t go wrong.
I’m turning 60 in a few months and have noticed a decline in distance in my mid 50’s, and more recently execution/performance in the later part of the round as fatigue factors in this past year. I’ve always hit blades, but switched from stiff to regular two years ago which seemed to solve the distance problem. I still hit my 7 iron 145-155 depending on the quality of the strike which isn’t as consistent as it once was, so I’m now looking for clubs that’ll give me some forgiveness, especially towards the end of my round when I’m walking the course. I’m currently playing MP33’s and have finally switched my 3 & 4 iron’s to hybrids which has been a huge improvement in consistency. I’m looking to trade in my blades for something with little to no offset since I naturally draw the ball and don’t like the look of offset irons, but provides some forgiveness while maintaining/improving consistency. I’ve also developed some left shoulder pain in the last two months. Would this be a good time to switch to graphite for my irons too?
Without question making the move to graphite can help out tremendously. Not only from a fatigue factor but also from a body ache perspective. In regard to irons, I would say Mizuno Pro225, P770, and possibly new Titleist t200, might all be irons worth considering. The Srixon ZX5 could be another wild card but only if the offset doesn’t trip you up. If you can find a dealer who has Accra graphite shafts then seek them out as they are a really good shaft.
Hey John! This is the first of your videos I have seen and I am now a subscriber! As an Engineer, I often over analyze my golf game and the numbers off my launch monitor causing me to question my whole bag of clubs regularly. I am currently fitted with Nippon N.S. Pro 950GH Stiff flex in my P790 TI irons. When they fit me, they only looked at my speed and none of the other key metrics. My average distance for my 9i (approx. 152 +/-5), 8i (approx. 166 +/-5), 7i (approx. 173 +/-5). My ball flight most of the time is MID at best, I like the look of it for the most part but don't know if it should be higher. For a few months now I've felt like there was more gas in the tank, like I, or the clubs, weren't properly optimized, like more yards were able to be had. Now, I could be 100% wrong, I might actually be at the peak of my ability and my Irons abilities but I like to see data to prove that so I really appreciate videos like this. So, Thank You! After doing some research and watching 100's of videos I decided I would try switching to the Mitsubishi OT100 in a Stiff flex. I have been told by 2 or 3 Pro's in my area that switching to graphite would be a mistake and that I would immediately regret my decision without any type of explanation as to why it would be a mistake. I haven't been able to find a good fitter in my area that can fit "Shafts" to me and my swing. (You would think there would be many capable in this area - SAV, GA) The closest is Golf Tec in Jacksonville (100Mi). My questions are, why would they immediately try and steer me away from graphite? Do you see any benefits switching from my current shaft to the Mitsu? Thank you again for the videos, and any comments you might have related to this.
So I’m not sure i would have taken the hard line as they did, but I would say without questions they could be the best shaft for you or it could be a complete did. Now just based off what you shared 150 with 9 iron isn’t anything to shake a stick at, heck the avg. 7 iron distance on tour right now is 165-170… but I do know in order to achieve this number your swingspeed needs to be around the mid to high 80’s if not low 90’s. So my immediate concern would be that those shafts may be a little too soft for your speed and once again I am doing a fair amount of speculation.😎 so graphite is good but depending on your goals and needs I would likely explore other steel options first, one it’s cheaper, and two there are far more options available… I know it’s a hike for you but we would gladly welcome you if you were ever in the area.
Hi loving these shaft videos I’m learning so much. Would love to see more graphite in iron comparisons anyhow keep up the good work and thank you from London England 👍
For idiots like myself, would you ever consider doing a video to explain what some of those metrics mean and how they affect ball flight, etc. I get lost sometimes and don’t fully understand how each aspect affects the end result. As always, another great video. Thanks guys!
I too would like to see the explanation of some of the "second page" of Trackman data - especially from the perspective of a fitting professional like you. We all see a lot of data on TH-cam; what are the real important points that fit different swing styles and speeds. Keep up the GREAT work on the videos! These are excellent!!
Hi, Luis from Houston here. I have been following your videos and certainly the info you are sharing is one of the most complete and best explained I have seen. What is your opinion on PXG hybrid shafts?. Keep the great work !!!
Yes, I bought a new set of Callaway Mavriks this summer via a fitting at a Callaway day at a local golf club. My results were COMPLETELY the reverse of your customers, and I think this is due to my swing being very different. My 7-iron carries about 165-170 yards, and I develop power via hip rotation and weight shift - not "handsie" at all. I tried all the graphite shafts he had - mostly from 60 to 75 grams. By far the best shaft for me was the steel True Temper Elevate ETS 95. It gave me better carry, dispersion, and good flight height. Just illustrates how matching the shaft to the swing is so important, in this case opposite result.
You are so spot on in fact we did exactly this and tested the result of someone not necessarily with a faster swingspeed but someone with a harder faster transition and just like you stated we saw the exact opposite. So it just drives home the point that sometimes how fast you swing is less important then that of how you load it…thanks for sharing.
I also have had somewhat of a reverse experience. I had cobra irons with a 103g Stiff steel shaft for maybe 10 years (have slower ss). Decided to get new irons maybe 3 yrs ago. Was fit with Rouge w/60g graphite. Couldn't hit them, swapped for Rouge x w/same shaft, swapped for Apex 19 w/60g MB white. Same story. Friend suggested trying heavier steel. Tried Modus 105g stiff in Zx5s. Killing them! Long story short, it's ok to go to graphite, but beware of the weight, swing weight, etc.
@@philr1924 Just to take this a bit further...I tried the NS Modus 105g stiff a couple of years ago (in a Mizuno Hot Metal 919 - same head the man in this review had) and hated it. Felt too stiff and "boardie" and no kick at all. Then I tried the True Temper Dynamic Gold 105g stiff and it was just wonderful. The fitter said that these two shafts are the same weight, but very different bend properties. So even steel shafts the same weight and flex can play very differently. You just have to try them to find a good one for your swing.
@@JDSFLA That's really interesting. I realized I had a typo. I'm hitting the 105 R really well. I wanted to order a mixed set of 5's and 7's. The only one available had the 105 S so I ordered it. Will be interesting to see if I like that shaft. Not many choices these days.
@@philr1924 When I ordered my Callaway Mavriks at the beginning of the summer, I got regular flex for the first time. I have always been between stiff and regular, and I find the regular much better. I get more kick with less work, and can focus more on my mechanics without trying to swing hard. Result, more distance, better consistency. Icing on the cake is that I bought through the Callaway rep and the custom fit (1" long, 2* upright, midsize grip, 2 wraps, TT Elevate ETS 95 shafts) was ordered on a Friday, and the next Friday they were at my door. Best set of irons I ever had, and can't beat that service - on the Callaway web site the wait was 6-8 weeks.
I have specific related question. I’m not interested in new iron heads and my distance is quite acceptable, 7-iron carry in minimal wind is 175. I like my current ball flight and still have ability to control my flight dynamics except the occasional ballooned shot into wind. My clubs are “traditional lofts” and weaker than most, PW is 48* and I go from there in 4* increments but this gives me the spin to better control ball flight thus no intention to strengthen them. Exact makeup is Muira CB-501 w/Modus 120 Tour stiffs. Love the consistency and control. I would like to keep its positive attributes but add some vibration dampening and if I get a 2 mph boost in head speed with lower mass shaft, that’s good as well. The dampening is primary issue as I suffer elbow tendinitis when playing more than 2-rounds a week in Summer. Yes, I’m recently retired at 62 and intending to play more golf. Given my intention to keep my Miura irons, how exactly do I get fit for composite shafts since my clubs haven’t been modified for demo shafting? Is there a specific shaft you’d recommend I try that closely assimilates the Modus 120 Tour? I am an average to slow tempo with smooth transition at top. Very much appreciate the response.
Thanks for sharing The only shaft I know that closely resembles the Bend profile of the Modus 120, is the UST prototype 125 and 95. The 110 doesn’t quite match up. If you can find a fitter who has that shaft or ability to test it then I would just find a fitter who would be willing to build you a club. So I would see if you can find an extra 7 iron head and have it built up to your exact same specs and then you can compare side by side. In regards to weight lighter weight could throw your speed and tempo of but it sounds like your a pretty good golfer so even if you drop to 95, I think you would be fine, and would be something to get you into your 70’s. But once again I would encourage you to test on one before swapping everything out.
Luis from Houston. I been following your videos and in my opinion they are one of the best. What is your opinion on PXG hybrid shafts? Keep the great work you are doing Great info!!!!!
@@SwingFit I’m playing Accra isteel 115 in my irons. It feels a little too heavy. I have done too much homework. I’m going to pay for a fitter. My swing path has changed 5-9 degrees since I started taking lessons this fall. Different world. Looking to get fit in March
I just purchased a set of Callaway Edge that I won't get until Friday. The only thing they had in stock was stiff shaft. I am a 37 year old who is 5"10 and weighs about 210. My best is low 90s and I have a set of hand me downs. I've never owned nice clubs. I am interested to see how I do with the stiff shaft.
With a club speed at 86-87 mph, what is a desire dynamic loft for a 34 deg 7 iron? This is avg data for my 7 iron with a static loft at 34 deg (JPX 921 Tour). Club Speed: 86.6 mph, Attack Angle: -2.9* Ball Speed: 120.8 mph, Smash Factor: 1.39, Launch Angle: 18.0*, Spin Rate: 5782 RPM, Height: 30.7 m (33.5 yds) Dynamic Loft: 23.0* Land Angle: 49.0* Carry: 155 m (169.5 yds)
Your numbers are pretty darn good, I would say that you are all but optimized. To get ball speeds in the range you are at 85-86mph is also really good. The thing I would say that you need to keep an eye on would be spin if that starts to get north of 6000, your likely going to see some issues unless the reason your spin is getting higher is because of more speed. Other then that I would not change your numbers and in this situation I would say the club numbers would be my main focus. Lock in what your current club path and face to path numbers are along with your aoa, and then do your best to maintain that because if your ball numbers ever get off it’s going to because of your delivery and if you know what baseline is you will know what is out of whack to fix it. Hope this helped.
In this situation we did not adjust the SW I’ve found the slower swing speeds and individuals with a wrist release who’s not applying as much force will generally benefit with lighter SW. great question, final SW of this build was C9.
@@SwingFit Thanks👍 It might be interesting in a future vid to look at how/if SW affects different Golfers with different swing speeds and release patterns. Personally, I find if the SW is too high or low it really messes with the feel of the club and I struggle to know where the clubhead is.
Ok what about the opposite way I play stiff graphite and am like this they go nowhere I think I’ve tried every other graphite shaft out there and same thing, out of frustration I tried a stiff kbs c taper lite and picked up almost 20 yards please explain this thank you
What’s the benefit in switching if you are not looking for distance? I am thinking of switching for some relief on my forearms but concerned that the switch will lead to less consistency. Currently use elevate tour x 125 in my callaway pro combo set.. thank you!
Steelfiber and MMT shafts just might be a good choice as both of those come in heavier weights to resemble steel so this way it’s not the drastic of a jump.
Question John, I just bought Ping g710's off the shelf. (Graphite Stiff) I thought I'd gain more distance but very similar to my old steel regular shafts. (Carrying about 140yds) Club speed is around 78mph. Should I consider switching back to regular at that swing speed?
Depends on how and where you load your shaft, but with that swing speed, normally a regular would be a better fit than stiff. But keep in mind that different shafts will have different bend characteristics so the stiffness is not the only consideration. You therefore should try the shaft(s) before buying.
Couldn’t have said it better Chester, good news Nate is you can take your irons to any reputable fitter and they should be able to do a retro fit with you and tell you which shaft might be a better fit.
Thanks Matt, we do get a lot of requests for this, and one of the reasons we have been reluctant to turn the camera on is that when we tried this in the past the customer would crack to the pressure of feeling like they have to perform, and it became more of a distraction. , so we’re trying to come up with a way to record the session so that it’s not as obvious almost kind of like surveillance style, but we would then have to disclose at the end of the session and have them sign a waiver of use and consent. So believe me we want to do this really bad but I don’t want it to be at the cost of the fitting experience.but we will figure this out for sure.thanks again for sharing.
Sorry sometimes I forget to state that but any of the numbers we show with irons it will almost always be a 7 iron as that is what our fitting matrix is built on.. I’ll do a better job of stating that up front thanks
I’m not a senior, but I just went from elevate 95S into MMT 85R. After having 3 kids 😂 distance went down. MMTs feel great
Got fit by John a few weeks ago and was really surprised that I got fit into T200's with Accra 80i R shafts. I'm not a senior nor have a slow swing speed, but it just shows that everyone's swing is unique and having a great fitter to help you get the most out of your clubs is totally worth it. I'm stoked with the potential of the new clubs and the black graphite shafts look awesome!
Thanks for sharing bud, they were a really good match.
I should add - conceptually I understand what is happening. As a newbie I own a set of 30 yo (roughly) Tommy Armour golf clubs. The small-sized Driver, other Woods and irons are steel. Although I'm learning SW->7I and can hit them well, i was shocked to pick up a 2020 Cobra SpeedZone Xtreme Driver - all graphite. Wow. Just WOW. Size of the head, forgiveness and, most importantly, the weight of the club simply allowed me to hit much better. The quite stark difference was there to see and feel. Sure, not may others have such a grand canyon gap of clubs like myself, but it goes to show that even in such circumstances as you described with your customer - given time and knowledge you can get an increase and preferred outcome on anything. Excellent job.
The one thing I want to key in on in your statement is the time, a good fitting does take time and it’s one that should look at all of the variables not just a couple. Thank you again for sharing.
Spot on this is exactly what happen to me. I swing at 90 MPH always fitted with regular and would always ballon it. Went to stiff now more carry for sure
Thanks for sharing, this impacts a lot of golfers for sure, I’m glad you were able to figure it out.😀
John, Thanks for the video, really enjoyed it. I am in the process of switching from steel to graphite in my irons. I am 72 years old and have a 7-8 handicap. Currently I am playing the Mizuno JPX 850 with KBS C-Taper lite shafts (105 g) hard stepped R-flex fitted by Mizuno. I was fitted for new irons in Jan 2020: Calloway Apex 19 with KBS Tour Graphite 70g R-flex shafts but didn't buy them as Covid took hold. I am looking into graphite shafts again. My latest fitting numbers were: 1) Mizuno JPX 850 6 iron (loft=28) - Club Speed=72.9, Ball Speed=99.1, Smash=1.36, Launch=18.0, Spin=4752, Landing Angle=38.3, Cary Dist=134.6, Total Dist=148.6, Attack Angle=-1.6, Dyn Loft= 22.7; 2) Apex 19 6 iron (loft=27) - Club Speed=71.9, Ball Speed=102, Smash=1.42, Launch=19.5, Spin=4696, Landing Angle=41.7, Cary Dist=142, Total Dist=154, Attack Angle=-1.0, Dyn Loft= 24.1. Trackman data showed approx. 10 yards less dispersion (both sides) in the Apex 19 w/ graphite. My basic question is do you feel that I would get similar results by putting the graphite shafts in my Mizuno 850 heads. The cost difference is about $1500.
Thanks for sharing, unfortunately I don’t think your going to see the ball speed and distance gains let alone the higher launch and apex windows in the jpx. So I would say at your age this would be without question a huge benefit as your practically getting xtra yards for same level of input your clubhead speed that is. That’s a great combination and a really good result I would be happy….
I love your Videos and all the others you support I watch. I am in the middle of 2 fittings, one had me at Mizuno Hot metal Pro with nippon 950 stiff shafts to get my ball up in the air. The only thing that made me hesitate is that my dispersion wasn't very straight. I then called PXG and he fit me to the 0311 XF irons with the regular Elevate shafts which has me much straighter! I haven't pulled the trigger yet and I am seeing him one more time...The iron heads are a little smaller than my old King snake heads is my only confidence issue. Your Videos are the best I would love to get fitted some day at your place!
Thanks for the feedback and support, consistently is the name of the game for sure so go with the option that turned your bad shots to not better shots and good shots into great ones and you can’t go wrong.
I’m turning 60 in a few months and have noticed a decline in distance in my mid 50’s, and more recently execution/performance in the later part of the round as fatigue factors in this past year. I’ve always hit blades, but switched from stiff to regular two years ago which seemed to solve the distance problem. I still hit my 7 iron 145-155 depending on the quality of the strike which isn’t as consistent as it once was, so I’m now looking for clubs that’ll give me some forgiveness, especially towards the end of my round when I’m walking the course. I’m currently playing MP33’s and have finally switched my 3 & 4 iron’s to hybrids which has been a huge improvement in consistency. I’m looking to trade in my blades for something with little to no offset since I naturally draw the ball and don’t like the look of offset irons, but provides some forgiveness while maintaining/improving consistency. I’ve also developed some left shoulder pain in the last two months. Would this be a good time to switch to graphite for my irons too?
Without question making the move to graphite can help out tremendously. Not only from a fatigue factor but also from a body ache perspective. In regard to irons, I would say Mizuno Pro225, P770, and possibly new Titleist t200, might all be irons worth considering. The Srixon ZX5 could be another wild card but only if the offset doesn’t trip you up. If you can find a dealer who has Accra graphite shafts then seek them out as they are a really good shaft.
Hey John! This is the first of your videos I have seen and I am now a subscriber! As an Engineer, I often over analyze my golf game and the numbers off my launch monitor causing me to question my whole bag of clubs regularly. I am currently fitted with Nippon N.S. Pro 950GH Stiff flex in my P790 TI irons. When they fit me, they only looked at my speed and none of the other key metrics. My average distance for my 9i (approx. 152 +/-5), 8i (approx. 166 +/-5), 7i (approx. 173 +/-5). My ball flight most of the time is MID at best, I like the look of it for the most part but don't know if it should be higher. For a few months now I've felt like there was more gas in the tank, like I, or the clubs, weren't properly optimized, like more yards were able to be had. Now, I could be 100% wrong, I might actually be at the peak of my ability and my Irons abilities but I like to see data to prove that so I really appreciate videos like this. So, Thank You! After doing some research and watching 100's of videos I decided I would try switching to the Mitsubishi OT100 in a Stiff flex. I have been told by 2 or 3 Pro's in my area that switching to graphite would be a mistake and that I would immediately regret my decision without any type of explanation as to why it would be a mistake. I haven't been able to find a good fitter in my area that can fit "Shafts" to me and my swing. (You would think there would be many capable in this area - SAV, GA) The closest is Golf Tec in Jacksonville (100Mi). My questions are, why would they immediately try and steer me away from graphite? Do you see any benefits switching from my current shaft to the Mitsu? Thank you again for the videos, and any comments you might have related to this.
So I’m not sure i would have taken the hard line as they did, but I would say without questions they could be the best shaft for you or it could be a complete did. Now just based off what you shared 150 with 9 iron isn’t anything to shake a stick at, heck the avg. 7 iron distance on tour right now is 165-170… but I do know in order to achieve this number your swingspeed needs to be around the mid to high 80’s if not low 90’s. So my immediate concern would be that those shafts may be a little too soft for your speed and once again I am doing a fair amount of speculation.😎 so graphite is good but depending on your goals and needs I would likely explore other steel options first, one it’s cheaper, and two there are far more options available… I know it’s a hike for you but we would gladly welcome you if you were ever in the area.
Wow. Amazing run-through, mate. I'm a newbie but this was totally awesome. Thank goodness I have subscribed to learn more from you! Cheers mate!
Thanks for the feedback.
Hi loving these shaft videos I’m learning so much. Would love to see more graphite in iron comparisons anyhow keep up the good work and thank you from London England 👍
Thanks for the feedback and support.
For idiots like myself, would you ever consider doing a video to explain what some of those metrics mean and how they affect ball flight, etc. I get lost sometimes and don’t fully understand how each aspect affects the end result. As always, another great video. Thanks guys!
I too would like to see the explanation of some of the "second page" of Trackman data - especially from the perspective of a fitting professional like you. We all see a lot of data on TH-cam; what are the real important points that fit different swing styles and speeds.
Keep up the GREAT work on the videos! These are excellent!!
Hi, Luis from Houston here. I have been following your videos and certainly the info you are sharing
is one of the most complete and best explained I have seen.
What is your opinion on PXG hybrid shafts?.
Keep the great work !!!
MMT hybrid shafts are great options in PXG clubs, for sure thanks for the comments and support.
Yes, I bought a new set of Callaway Mavriks this summer via a fitting at a Callaway day at a local golf club. My results were COMPLETELY the reverse of your customers, and I think this is due to my swing being very different. My 7-iron carries about 165-170 yards, and I develop power via hip rotation and weight shift - not "handsie" at all. I tried all the graphite shafts he had - mostly from 60 to 75 grams. By far the best shaft for me was the steel True Temper Elevate ETS 95. It gave me better carry, dispersion, and good flight height. Just illustrates how matching the shaft to the swing is so important, in this case opposite result.
You are so spot on in fact we did exactly this and tested the result of someone not necessarily with a faster swingspeed but someone with a harder faster transition and just like you stated we saw the exact opposite. So it just drives home the point that sometimes how fast you swing is less important then that of how you load it…thanks for sharing.
I also have had somewhat of a reverse experience. I had cobra irons with a 103g Stiff steel shaft for maybe 10 years (have slower ss). Decided to get new irons maybe 3 yrs ago. Was fit with Rouge w/60g graphite. Couldn't hit them, swapped for Rouge x w/same shaft, swapped for Apex 19 w/60g MB white. Same story. Friend suggested trying heavier steel. Tried Modus 105g stiff in Zx5s. Killing them! Long story short, it's ok to go to graphite, but beware of the weight, swing weight, etc.
@@philr1924 Just to take this a bit further...I tried the NS Modus 105g stiff a couple of years ago (in a Mizuno Hot Metal 919 - same head the man in this review had) and hated it. Felt too stiff and "boardie" and no kick at all. Then I tried the True Temper Dynamic Gold 105g stiff and it was just wonderful. The fitter said that these two shafts are the same weight, but very different bend properties. So even steel shafts the same weight and flex can play very differently. You just have to try them to find a good one for your swing.
@@JDSFLA That's really interesting. I realized I had a typo. I'm hitting the 105 R really well. I wanted to order a mixed set of 5's and 7's. The only one available had the 105 S so I ordered it. Will be interesting to see if I like that shaft. Not many choices these days.
@@philr1924 When I ordered my Callaway Mavriks at the beginning of the summer, I got regular flex for the first time. I have always been between stiff and regular, and I find the regular much better. I get more kick with less work, and can focus more on my mechanics without trying to swing hard. Result, more distance, better consistency. Icing on the cake is that I bought through the Callaway rep and the custom fit (1" long, 2* upright, midsize grip, 2 wraps, TT Elevate ETS 95 shafts) was ordered on a Friday, and the next Friday they were at my door. Best set of irons I ever had, and can't beat that service - on the Callaway web site the wait was 6-8 weeks.
New sub. 2nd video of yours I’ve seen that has been solid. 2/2 so far 👍
they say your first videos are your worst videos so here is to continuing with the positive trend. thanks for sharing and your support
Great video brother!!!🤙🏼🤙🏼🤙🏼
I have specific related question. I’m not interested in new iron heads and my distance is quite acceptable, 7-iron carry in minimal wind is 175. I like my current ball flight and still have ability to control my flight dynamics except the occasional ballooned shot into wind. My clubs are “traditional lofts” and weaker than most, PW is 48* and I go from there in 4* increments but this gives me the spin to better control ball flight thus no intention to strengthen them. Exact makeup is Muira CB-501 w/Modus 120 Tour stiffs. Love the consistency and control. I would like to keep its positive attributes but add some vibration dampening and if I get a 2 mph boost in head speed with lower mass shaft, that’s good as well. The dampening is primary issue as I suffer elbow tendinitis when playing more than 2-rounds a week in Summer. Yes, I’m recently retired at 62 and intending to play more golf.
Given my intention to keep my Miura irons, how exactly do I get fit for composite shafts since my clubs haven’t been modified for demo shafting? Is there a specific shaft you’d recommend I try that closely assimilates the Modus 120 Tour? I am an average to slow tempo with smooth transition at top.
Very much appreciate the response.
Thanks for sharing The only shaft I know that closely resembles the Bend profile of the Modus 120, is the UST prototype 125 and 95. The 110 doesn’t quite match up. If you can find a fitter who has that shaft or ability to test it then I would just find a fitter who would be willing to build you a club. So I would see if you can find an extra 7 iron head and have it built up to your exact same specs and then you can compare side by side. In regards to weight lighter weight could throw your speed and tempo of but it sounds like your a pretty good golfer so even if you drop to 95, I think you would be fine, and would be something to get you into your 70’s. But once again I would encourage you to test on one before swapping everything out.
@@SwingFit Thank you very much, appreciate the feedback
Good educational video!
Thanks for the kind words and support
Luis from Houston. I been following your videos and in my opinion they are one of the best.
What is your opinion on PXG hybrid shafts?
Keep the great work you are doing
Great info!!!!!
Thanks again bud, channel reboot is almost here, as it’s been a while since we last posted and we have a bunch to share with everyone.
Love it! Thank you John
Holy Moly huge dynamic loft Batman!
Likely will go down as one of the biggest jumps I’ve helped someone make, well at least without having to revamp technique…
Great outcome! And lots of potential as you allude to as well! Wish I still lived in VA so I could sneak over to WVA to visit!
@@CoryLancasterYT well if you ever return to the area you will definitely have to look us up.
I’m looking to switch to graphite this year. I will get fitted. I will go with best option. Just hoping it is graphite
Just do your homework on your fitter to make sure they have some good options, I like MMT, Accra, and UST.
@@SwingFit I’m playing Accra isteel 115 in my irons. It feels a little too heavy. I have done too much homework. I’m going to pay for a fitter. My swing path has changed 5-9 degrees since I started taking lessons this fall. Different world. Looking to get fit in March
I just purchased a set of Callaway Edge that I won't get until Friday. The only thing they had in stock was stiff shaft. I am a 37 year old who is 5"10 and weighs about 210. My best is low 90s and I have a set of hand me downs. I've never owned nice clubs. I am interested to see how I do with the stiff shaft.
Thanks for sharing I’m betting you will be just fine. Well unless you start tugging on the handle with a fast transition. 💪Best of luck.
With a club speed at 86-87 mph, what is a desire dynamic loft for a 34 deg 7 iron?
This is avg data for my 7 iron with a static loft at 34 deg (JPX 921 Tour).
Club Speed: 86.6 mph,
Attack Angle: -2.9*
Ball Speed: 120.8 mph,
Smash Factor: 1.39,
Launch Angle: 18.0*,
Spin Rate: 5782 RPM,
Height: 30.7 m (33.5 yds)
Dynamic Loft: 23.0*
Land Angle: 49.0*
Carry: 155 m (169.5 yds)
Your numbers are pretty darn good, I would say that you are all but optimized. To get ball speeds in the range you are at 85-86mph is also really good. The thing I would say that you need to keep an eye on would be spin if that starts to get north of 6000, your likely going to see some issues unless the reason your spin is getting higher is because of more speed. Other then that I would not change your numbers and in this situation I would say the club numbers would be my main focus. Lock in what your current club path and face to path numbers are along with your aoa, and then do your best to maintain that because if your ball numbers ever get off it’s going to because of your delivery and if you know what baseline is you will know what is out of whack to fix it. Hope this helped.
Thanks for another great vid👍
Just a quick question, as you were moving to a lighter shaft did you have to adjust the Swing Weight?
In this situation we did not adjust the SW I’ve found the slower swing speeds and individuals with a wrist release who’s not applying as much force will generally benefit with lighter SW. great question, final SW of this build was C9.
@@SwingFit Thanks👍
It might be interesting in a future vid to look at how/if SW affects different Golfers with different swing speeds and release patterns.
Personally, I find if the SW is too high or low it really messes with the feel of the club and I struggle to know where the clubhead is.
Great suggestion
Ok what about the opposite way I play stiff graphite and am like this they go nowhere I think I’ve tried every other graphite shaft out there and same thing, out of frustration I tried a stiff kbs c taper lite and picked up almost 20 yards please explain this thank you
Stay tuned for next weeks video because I have one coming just for you…
What’s the benefit in switching if you are not looking for distance? I am thinking of switching for some relief on my forearms but concerned that the switch will lead to less consistency. Currently use elevate tour x 125 in my callaway pro combo set.. thank you!
Steelfiber and MMT shafts just might be a good choice as both of those come in heavier weights to resemble steel so this way it’s not the drastic of a jump.
Question John, I just bought Ping g710's off the shelf. (Graphite Stiff) I thought I'd gain more distance but very similar to my old steel regular shafts. (Carrying about 140yds) Club speed is around 78mph. Should I consider switching back to regular at that swing speed?
Depends on how and where you load your shaft, but with that swing speed, normally a regular would be a better fit than stiff. But keep in mind that different shafts will have different bend characteristics so the stiffness is not the only consideration. You therefore should try the shaft(s) before buying.
Couldn’t have said it better Chester, good news Nate is you can take your irons to any reputable fitter and they should be able to do a retro fit with you and tell you which shaft might be a better fit.
What was the cost of the new shaft's including install?
Not sure on cost I’ll have to go back and look. But I do know out standard build fee for a set of irons and wedges is 100.00 up to 10 clubs…
Show the customer going through the process!!
Thanks Matt, we do get a lot of requests for this, and one of the reasons we have been reluctant to turn the camera on is that when we tried this in the past the customer would crack to the pressure of feeling like they have to perform, and it became more of a distraction. , so we’re trying to come up with a way to record the session so that it’s not as obvious almost kind of like surveillance style, but we would then have to disclose at the end of the session and have them sign a waiver of use and consent. So believe me we want to do this really bad but I don’t want it to be at the cost of the fitting experience.but we will figure this out for sure.thanks again for sharing.
Never mind at 7:29 you tell us it’s a 7 iron
Sorry sometimes I forget to state that but any of the numbers we show with irons it will almost always be a 7 iron as that is what our fitting matrix is built on.. I’ll do a better job of stating that up front thanks
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Why do you not tell us what club the client is hitting?????
3:29 He did.
Looks like you are playing a piano lol
I haven’t heard that one before 😀, I still have a date to do a video in a straight jacket
@@SwingFit better than having a date with someone in a straight jacket..😉